Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Barbara Duprey wrote: RA Brown wrote: Hi Barbara, I am still looking but another option has been brought up and I am also looking at that, using as an extension. There are alot of documents to go over to find the exact place to start working in either case so sadly will take some time to figure out. But I will add it to the issue if you will send me a link. Andy Dotan opened an issue on multiple text document files, but he wanted to keep that one separate from consideration of spreadsheets (and not get into the "foreign" types at all). There isn't another open issue yet. I can well believe it will take time to look into this! I will keep this in mind once I have the research done and ready to submit the RFE. I agree the "foreign" types should not be included, to much difference to deal with. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
RA Brown wrote: Barbara Duprey wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: On 11 June 2010 23:58, Barbara Duprey wrote: Maybe an RFE that calls out your RFE as prereq? Yes, that is called "depends on" in bugzilla. File it and if you start a thread about it please CC me. Thanks. Andy's the one who brought this up, and he's been looking into the mechanics of this kind of change in much greater depth than I have. Andy, would you like to do this? Hi Barbara, I am still looking but another option has been brought up and I am also looking at that, using as an extension. There are alot of documents to go over to find the exact place to start working in either case so sadly will take some time to figure out. But I will add it to the issue if you will send me a link. Andy Dotan opened an issue on multiple text document files, but he wanted to keep that one separate from consideration of spreadsheets (and not get into the "foreign" types at all). There isn't another open issue yet. I can well believe it will take time to look into this! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Barbara Duprey wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: On 11 June 2010 23:58, Barbara Duprey wrote: Maybe an RFE that calls out your RFE as prereq? Yes, that is called "depends on" in bugzilla. File it and if you start a thread about it please CC me. Thanks. Andy's the one who brought this up, and he's been looking into the mechanics of this kind of change in much greater depth than I have. Andy, would you like to do this? Hi Barbara, I am still looking but another option has been brought up and I am also looking at that, using as an extension. There are alot of documents to go over to find the exact place to start working in either case so sadly will take some time to figure out. But I will add it to the issue if you will send me a link. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Dotan Cohen wrote: On 11 June 2010 23:58, Barbara Duprey wrote: Maybe an RFE that calls out your RFE as prereq? Yes, that is called "depends on" in bugzilla. File it and if you start a thread about it please CC me. Thanks. Andy's the one who brought this up, and he's been looking into the mechanics of this kind of change in much greater depth than I have. Andy, would you like to do this? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
On 11 June 2010 23:58, Barbara Duprey wrote: > Maybe an RFE that calls out your RFE as prereq? > Yes, that is called "depends on" in bugzilla. File it and if you start a thread about it please CC me. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Tom Bell - cbel...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 06/12/2010 07:53 AM, openoffice.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: I don't see any technical reason that several ODF documents couldn't be stored within a single file. It could perhaps be as simple as a new document type which is a zip file (as other ODF files are) within which is a directory for each document with the current structure of that document type. Such a file type would presumably have to go through the standardisation process. If several .ODF documents are added to a single archive file (e.g., .ZIP) then the unarchiver program can open the archive and display the contents. You have only to click on the file you wish to open in OOo and it opens without having to save to disk. This is the case in both Windows and Linux today, so why would it be included into another standard? This is true regardless of document type. Thank you! Tom For what it's worth, I agree, and made a similar suggestion yesterday in a previous post to this thread. Personally I just put related files in folders and don't even bother zipping them, unless sending them to someone else or making them available for download. However, the suggestion being discussed is to have OpenOffice (and potentially other ODF software) treat the documents as a single file when opening, saving etc. So all the related documents would be opened together in a single OOo window, with a tab for each, and all would be closed together. I don't see much practical use for that myself, but others seem to be more convinced. I'd certainly draw the line at including any more than ODF documents in such a file. Storing any arbitrary types of document within a single file is most definitely what zip, tar, etc. are for, and OOo couldn't be expected to do anything sensible with document types it doesn't support (nor could any other software). Mark. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
On 06/12/2010 07:53 AM, openoffice.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: > > I don't see any technical reason that several ODF documents couldn't > be stored within a single file. It could perhaps be as simple as a new > document type which is a zip file (as other ODF files are) within > which is a directory for each document with the current structure of > that document type. Such a file type would presumably have to go > through the standardisation process. If several .ODF documents are added to a single archive file (e.g., .ZIP) then the unarchiver program can open the archive and display the contents. You have only to click on the file you wish to open in OOo and it opens without having to save to disk. This is the case in both Windows and Linux today, so why would it be included into another standard? This is true regardless of document type. Thank you! Tom -- "PC, "Where would you like to go today?" ... Mac, "Where would you like to be tomorrow?" ... Linux, "Are you guys coming, or not?"" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
RA Brown - rabr...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: openoffice.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: RA Brown - rabr...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: It is probably out on the limits of reason but I see it as a very favorable feature. For example, I have to deal with several related files of a large group of people. A retirement facility that has state regulations that state what forms have to be maintained. Some of these forms have to have signature(s) on them. to store electronic copies these forms are scanned into PDFs. Other forms use a spreadsheet to keep from having to rewrite/retype the form. Letters are typed up for mailing to family members, with copies retained for reference. Currently I use a subdirectory for each "client" with all these different files which use different applications to open/edit/print. If the DOF standard were expanded to cover all these then I would only have to deal with one application. As side effect is a self-creating archive that could be stored without having to pack/zip all the files. But that one application would have to be able to handle every conceivable file type, which no application is ever going to be able to do itself. It would still have to call on separate applications to do anything with the documents. It seems to me that your current solution is exactly what subdirectories are for - storing a collection of related documents, possibly in different formats. If you need to pack them into a single file, e.g. to send to someone else, why not just use a format designed to do just that, like zip? Hi Mark, I can see the problem of adding the PDF features as that is a total different file structure. Having both text and spreadsheet documents in the same file looks very reasonable, so far. I am looking at information related to the ODF file structures. As I stated before the odt and ods files are only containers, zipped, of the real files. Most of the actual files are xml files, contents.xml is the one that has the data to be displayed, the others contain instructions on _how_ to display the data. Andy Not being an OpenOffice.org developer, I'm not familiar with details of the code or file formats, however... I don't see any technical reason that several ODF documents couldn't be stored within a single file. It could perhaps be as simple as a new document type which is a zip file (as other ODF files are) within which is a directory for each document with the current structure of that document type. Such a file type would presumably have to go through the standardisation process. If accepted, it would probably require a lot of changes within OpenOffice code, so I'd imagine this being a long-term goal. I wouldn't expect it before version 4, and wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't done until version 5 or even later. The user interface could get confusing with all the proposed uses for tabs. There are already two discussions going on here: 1. tabs for each file opened within a single OpenOffice.org window 2. tabs for each document within the file plus the current: 3. tabs for each page within a Draw document or sheet within a Calc document (note that Calc sheets are NOT separate documents, they are more like pages of a single document). That's the potential for up to three rows of tabs! Personally I wouldn't want the first. I prefer one window per file as it is at the moment as that way it's easier to switch between documents in different applications - alt-tab directly to the document, rather than alt-tab to the application then ctrl-tab to the document. The GIMP has a separate window per file, and newer versions of Adobe reader also take that approach having switched away from a single-instance application. A row of tabs across the top for each document within the file, with a row at the bottom for Calc/Draw pages (as at present) would seem reasonable. Mark. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Barbara Duprey wrote: RA Brown wrote: Barbara, Great post. I would like to see at least one other added: The ability to have text and spreadsheets in the same file. Having the ability to store scanned and PDFs documents would be an even bigger plus. Andy Wow! You're right, all the same considerations apply. This might have to be "phase 2" of the project, though, because the operations on the different filetypes have such dissimilar interfaces and probably quite different code for some similar functions. It would almost certainly take a seriously hard look at modularity, winnowing out embedded assumptions about the context of operations. Certainly worth your adding this to the issue, though. Hi Babara, I agree that PDF would be dissimilar to the ODF files. But the basic structure of odt and ods are the same. There are some differences but I am not sure, at the time, that they can not be merged. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
openoffice.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: RA Brown - rabr...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: It is probably out on the limits of reason but I see it as a very favorable feature. For example, I have to deal with several related files of a large group of people. A retirement facility that has state regulations that state what forms have to be maintained. Some of these forms have to have signature(s) on them. to store electronic copies these forms are scanned into PDFs. Other forms use a spreadsheet to keep from having to rewrite/retype the form. Letters are typed up for mailing to family members, with copies retained for reference. Currently I use a subdirectory for each "client" with all these different files which use different applications to open/edit/print. If the DOF standard were expanded to cover all these then I would only have to deal with one application. As side effect is a self-creating archive that could be stored without having to pack/zip all the files. But that one application would have to be able to handle every conceivable file type, which no application is ever going to be able to do itself. It would still have to call on separate applications to do anything with the documents. It seems to me that your current solution is exactly what subdirectories are for - storing a collection of related documents, possibly in different formats. If you need to pack them into a single file, e.g. to send to someone else, why not just use a format designed to do just that, like zip? Hi Mark, I can see the problem of adding the PDF features as that is a total different file structure. Having both text and spreadsheet documents in the same file looks very reasonable, so far. I am looking at information related to the ODF file structures. As I stated before the odt and ods files are only containers, zipped, of the real files. Most of the actual files are xml files, contents.xml is the one that has the data to be displayed, the others contain instructions on _how_ to display the data. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Dotan Cohen wrote: On 11 June 2010 17:44, Barbara Duprey wrote: Wow! You're right, all the same considerations apply. This might have to be "phase 2" of the project, though, because the operations on the different filetypes have such dissimilar interfaces and probably quite different code for some similar functions. It would almost certainly take a seriously hard look at modularity, winnowing out embedded assumptions about the context of operations. Certainly worth your adding this to the issue, though. Actually, I think that it should be a separate issue. It's related, but it would be a hijack for sure. Maybe an RFE that calls out your RFE as prereq? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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RA Brown - rabr...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Kevin Reynolds wrote: I don't know if it's a reasonable statement from anyone's point of view but it sure is an outstanding one! Here here! Hi Kevin, It is probably out on the limits of reason but I see it as a very favorable feature. For example, I have to deal with several related files of a large group of people. A retirement facility that has state regulations that state what forms have to be maintained. Some of these forms have to have signature(s) on them. to store electronic copies these forms are scanned into PDFs. Other forms use a spreadsheet to keep from having to rewrite/retype the form. Letters are typed up for mailing to family members, with copies retained for reference. Currently I use a subdirectory for each "client" with all these different files which use different applications to open/edit/print. If the DOF standard were expanded to cover all these then I would only have to deal with one application. As side effect is a self-creating archive that could be stored without having to pack/zip all the files. But that one application would have to be able to handle every conceivable file type, which no application is ever going to be able to do itself. It would still have to call on separate applications to do anything with the documents. It seems to me that your current solution is exactly what subdirectories are for - storing a collection of related documents, possibly in different formats. If you need to pack them into a single file, e.g. to send to someone else, why not just use a format designed to do just that, like zip? Another place this would seem to be useful is electronic medical records. I need more work on this before I can say for sure though. Andy Mark. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
On 11 June 2010 17:44, Barbara Duprey wrote: > Wow! You're right, all the same considerations apply. This might have to be > "phase 2" of the project, though, because the operations on the different > filetypes have such dissimilar interfaces and probably quite different code > for some similar functions. It would almost certainly take a seriously hard > look at modularity, winnowing out embedded assumptions about the context of > operations. Certainly worth your adding this to the issue, though. > Actually, I think that it should be a separate issue. It's related, but it would be a hijack for sure. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Uwe Fischer wrote: On 06/11/10 03:42, RA Brown wrote: Barbara Duprey wrote: Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this structure is that the recovery information tracks together for all the documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being restored to different points in your workflow. Barbara, Great post. I would like to see at least one other added: The ability to have text and spreadsheets in the same file. Having the ability to store scanned and PDFs documents would be an even bigger plus. Andy Hi, if you replace "file" with "folder", it looks like everything is already there. Just don't use the one and only "My Documents" folder for all your documents, but instead create a dedicated folder (may be with subfolders) for every project that needs multiple files. You can easily select several or all files from your operating system file manager, then print or open them. Regards Uwe Hi Uew, Your idea is the way it works now. I just think it would be very useful to have everything in one "file" and use one application for everything. I use OO.o for spreadsheet and text documents, gscan2pdf for scanning and pdf editor for editing PDF forms. How much easier it would be to have everything in one place. -- Andy Brown La Mesa, CA 91942 www.the-martin-byrd.net/openoffice.org.html OpenOffice.org Community Distributor CD/OEM Distribution Project member Documentation Project member Marketing Project member User Experience Project member - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
RA Brown wrote: Barbara Duprey wrote: Instead of focusing on parallels to Calc, let's think instead about this: * You have a "family" of text documents, all related to the same overall function. * The documents are fully independent of each other for such things as styles, page numbering, layout, and so on. * When something causes you to want to edit or refer to one of these documents, chances are high that your requirement extends also to the other documents in the family. * Currently, each of these documents has a different name, and you open each in a separate window to achieve your objective. * The proposal is to allow the documents to retain their independence, but be contained in a single file that can be opened with one action and makes the individual documents readily accessible from each other to streamline the updating and/or referencing activities you need to perform. * When you have accomplished your task, you currently close each document separately. With the new structure, a single action closes all the documents. Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this structure is that the recovery information tracks together for all the documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being restored to different points in your workflow. Dotan, is this a reasonable statement of your intent here? Barbara, Great post. I would like to see at least one other added: The ability to have text and spreadsheets in the same file. Having the ability to store scanned and PDFs documents would be an even bigger plus. Andy Wow! You're right, all the same considerations apply. This might have to be "phase 2" of the project, though, because the operations on the different filetypes have such dissimilar interfaces and probably quite different code for some similar functions. It would almost certainly take a seriously hard look at modularity, winnowing out embedded assumptions about the context of operations. Certainly worth your adding this to the issue, though. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
In a message dated 2010.06.11 05:35 -0500, Uwe Fischer wrote: [Numbering in brackets added to clarify reply] Barbara Duprey wrote: ... [1] You have a "family" of text documents, all related to the same overall function. [2] The documents are fully independent of each other for such things as styles, page numbering, layout, and so on. [3] When something causes you to want to edit or refer to one of these documents, chances are high that your requirement extends also to the other documents in the family. [4] Currently, each of these documents has a different name, and you open each in a separate window to achieve your objective. [5] The proposal is to allow the documents to retain their independence, but be contained in a single file that can be opened with one action and makes the individual documents readily accessible from each other to streamline the updating and/or referencing activities you need to perform. [6] When you have accomplished your task, you currently close each document separately. With the new structure, a single action closes all the documents. Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this structure is that [7] the recovery information tracks together for all the documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being restored to different points in your workflow. On 06/11/10 03:42, RA Brown wrote: [8] I would like to see at least one other added: The ability to have text and spreadsheets in the same file. [9] Having the ability to store scanned and PDFs documents would be an even bigger plus. if you replace "file" with "folder", it looks like everything is already there. ... Uwe, that not quite true. Dotan can answer for his own proposal [and has, I see], but the single folder does not address points [4]..[7] of Barbara's summary, and of course does not [8]..[9] of Andy's add-on, which go beyond Dotan's original suggestion. Clearly these are enhancements, not bug issues. From an application programmer's standpoint, you may think, 'That's system programming, for OS functions,' but those lines get fuzzed all the time, for just such functional considerations as described here. FWIW, I think a good case has been made, and we will see this somewhere in the future; it's just a question of whether OO will be the first. John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 11 June 2010 12:35, Uwe Fischer wrote: > Hi, > if you replace "file" with "folder", it looks like everything is already > there. > Just don't use the one and only "My Documents" folder for all your > documents, but instead create a dedicated folder (may be with subfolders) > for every project that needs multiple files. You can easily select several > or all files from your operating system file manager, then print or open > them. > Thank you Uwe, I don't even have a My Documents folder! I do sort into folders, but often I need associated files together. An example might be load testing metals. A lab that I support might load samples from three different vendors. The technician will need to access those three files together with associated paperwork from the government. He would much rather have to open two files (one for the sample results and one for the government qa paperwork) that are in the same folder than have to open six files spread out across three folders (one folder for the samples, one for the paperwork, and another to house them both). -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 11 June 2010 04:47, Kevin Reynolds wrote: > I don't know if it's a reasonable statement from anyone's point of > view but it sure is an outstanding one! > > Here here! > Go vote for that bug. Sun didn't pay much attention to votes on bugs, but Oracle (At least for their business users) may be different. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 11 June 2010 04:42, RA Brown wrote: > I would like to see at least one other added: The ability to have text and > spreadsheets in the same file. Having the ability to store scanned and PDFs > documents would be an even bigger plus. > That would depend on a single OOo window for all components, no separate word processor, spreadsheet, or presentation components. I think that the IBM office suit works like this. It might be a good, if unrelated, idea. But until there is a unified interface, i don't see how there would be a single file with spreadsheet and word processor components. Thank said, I _really_ like the idea, and it would save me tons of hassle. Almost all of my research have word processor and spreadsheets file, I would find this feature _very_ useful. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 06/11/10 03:42, RA Brown wrote: Barbara Duprey wrote: Instead of focusing on parallels to Calc, let's think instead about this: * You have a "family" of text documents, all related to the same overall function. * The documents are fully independent of each other for such things as styles, page numbering, layout, and so on. * When something causes you to want to edit or refer to one of these documents, chances are high that your requirement extends also to the other documents in the family. * Currently, each of these documents has a different name, and you open each in a separate window to achieve your objective. * The proposal is to allow the documents to retain their independence, but be contained in a single file that can be opened with one action and makes the individual documents readily accessible from each other to streamline the updating and/or referencing activities you need to perform. * When you have accomplished your task, you currently close each document separately. With the new structure, a single action closes all the documents. Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this structure is that the recovery information tracks together for all the documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being restored to different points in your workflow. Dotan, is this a reasonable statement of your intent here? Barbara, Great post. I would like to see at least one other added: The ability to have text and spreadsheets in the same file. Having the ability to store scanned and PDFs documents would be an even bigger plus. Andy Hi, if you replace "file" with "folder", it looks like everything is already there. Just don't use the one and only "My Documents" folder for all your documents, but instead create a dedicated folder (may be with subfolders) for every project that needs multiple files. You can easily select several or all files from your operating system file manager, then print or open them. Regards Uwe -- uwe.fisc...@sun.com - Technical Writer Sun Microsystems, Hamburg, Germany http://documentation.openoffice.org/ http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation http://blogs.sun.com/oootnt http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Kevin Reynolds wrote: I don't know if it's a reasonable statement from anyone's point of view but it sure is an outstanding one! Here here! Hi Kevin, It is probably out on the limits of reason but I see it as a very favorable feature. For example, I have to deal with several related files of a large group of people. A retirement facility that has state regulations that state what forms have to be maintained. Some of these forms have to have signature(s) on them. to store electronic copies these forms are scanned into PDFs. Other forms use a spreadsheet to keep from having to rewrite/retype the form. Letters are typed up for mailing to family members, with copies retained for reference. Currently I use a subdirectory for each "client" with all these different files which use different applications to open/edit/print. If the DOF standard were expanded to cover all these then I would only have to deal with one application. As side effect is a self-creating archive that could be stored without having to pack/zip all the files. Another place this would seem to be useful is electronic medical records. I need more work on this before I can say for sure though. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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I don't know if it's a reasonable statement from anyone's point of view but it sure is an outstanding one! Here here! On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:42 PM, RA Brown wrote: > Barbara Duprey wrote: >> >> Instead of focusing on parallels to Calc, let's think instead about this: >> >> * You have a "family" of text documents, all related to the same >> overall function. >> * The documents are fully independent of each other for such things >> as styles, page numbering, layout, and so on. >> * When something causes you to want to edit or refer to one of these >> documents, chances are high that your requirement extends also to >> the other documents in the family. >> * Currently, each of these documents has a different name, and you >> open each in a separate window to achieve your objective. >> * The proposal is to allow the documents to retain their >> independence, but be contained in a single file that can be opened >> with one action and makes the individual documents readily >> accessible from each other to streamline the updating and/or >> referencing activities you need to perform. >> * When you have accomplished your task, you currently close each >> document separately. With the new structure, a single action >> closes all the documents. >> >> Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this >> structure is that the recovery information tracks together for all the >> documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being >> restored to different points in your workflow. >> >> Dotan, is this a reasonable statement of your intent here? >> > > Barbara, > > Great post. > > I would like to see at least one other added: The ability to have text and > spreadsheets in the same file. Having the ability to store scanned and PDFs > documents would be an even bigger plus. > > Andy > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Barbara Duprey wrote: Instead of focusing on parallels to Calc, let's think instead about this: * You have a "family" of text documents, all related to the same overall function. * The documents are fully independent of each other for such things as styles, page numbering, layout, and so on. * When something causes you to want to edit or refer to one of these documents, chances are high that your requirement extends also to the other documents in the family. * Currently, each of these documents has a different name, and you open each in a separate window to achieve your objective. * The proposal is to allow the documents to retain their independence, but be contained in a single file that can be opened with one action and makes the individual documents readily accessible from each other to streamline the updating and/or referencing activities you need to perform. * When you have accomplished your task, you currently close each document separately. With the new structure, a single action closes all the documents. Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this structure is that the recovery information tracks together for all the documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being restored to different points in your workflow. Dotan, is this a reasonable statement of your intent here? Barbara, Great post. I would like to see at least one other added: The ability to have text and spreadsheets in the same file. Having the ability to store scanned and PDFs documents would be an even bigger plus. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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John Kaufmann wrote: Hi Barbara, In a message dated 2010.06.10 15:20 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: Instead of focusing on parallels to Calc, let's think instead about this: * You have a "family" of text documents, all related to the same overall function. * The documents are fully independent of each other for such things as styles, page numbering, layout, and so on. * When something causes you to want to edit or refer to one of these documents, chances are high that your requirement extends also to the other documents in the family. * Currently, each of these documents has a different name, and you open each in a separate window to achieve your objective. * The proposal is to allow the documents to retain their independence, but be contained in a single file that can be opened with one action and makes the individual documents readily accessible from each other to streamline the updating and/or referencing activities you need to perform. * When you have accomplished your task, you currently close each document separately. With the new structure, a single action closes all the documents. Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this structure is that the recovery information tracks together for all the documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being restored to different points in your workflow. Wow! - that is a brilliant summary of the case! Yes, forget the Calc analogy, which was good as a starting point, but limiting. Thanks for crystallizing the issue. This post is a keeper. John Thanks for the kind words! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Dotan Cohen wrote: On 10 June 2010 22:20, Barbara Duprey wrote: Instead of focusing on parallels to Calc, let's think instead about this: * You have a "family" of text documents, all related to the same overall function. * The documents are fully independent of each other for such things as styles, page numbering, layout, and so on. * When something causes you to want to edit or refer to one of these documents, chances are high that your requirement extends also to the other documents in the family. * Currently, each of these documents has a different name, and you open each in a separate window to achieve your objective. * The proposal is to allow the documents to retain their independence, but be contained in a single file that can be opened with one action and makes the individual documents readily accessible from each other to streamline the updating and/or referencing activities you need to perform. * When you have accomplished your task, you currently close each document separately. With the new structure, a single action closes all the documents. Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this structure is that the recovery information tracks together for all the documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being restored to different points in your workflow. Dotan, is this a reasonable statement of your intent here? Barbara, that is _exactly_ what I had in mind, especially the third and last statements. Please, add that info to the issue here: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112163 Thanks! You're welcome, and I'll do that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 10 June 2010 22:20, Barbara Duprey wrote: > Instead of focusing on parallels to Calc, let's think instead about this: > > * You have a "family" of text documents, all related to the same > overall function. > * The documents are fully independent of each other for such things > as styles, page numbering, layout, and so on. > * When something causes you to want to edit or refer to one of these > documents, chances are high that your requirement extends also to > the other documents in the family. > * Currently, each of these documents has a different name, and you > open each in a separate window to achieve your objective. > * The proposal is to allow the documents to retain their > independence, but be contained in a single file that can be opened > with one action and makes the individual documents readily > accessible from each other to streamline the updating and/or > referencing activities you need to perform. > * When you have accomplished your task, you currently close each > document separately. With the new structure, a single action > closes all the documents. > > Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this > structure is that the recovery information tracks together for all the > documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being > restored to different points in your workflow. > > Dotan, is this a reasonable statement of your intent here? > Barbara, that is _exactly_ what I had in mind, especially the third and last statements. Please, add that info to the issue here: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112163 Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Dotan, In a message dated 2010.06.10 14:10 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote: ... you can separate sections of a document by page breaks, with each section having its own language or topical focus. ... the spreadsheet analogy is imperfect, precisely because the sheets are /not/ separate documents. (Usually there are functional relationships between sheets.) Yes, but my three resumes are three different documents. They should each start their page numbering from 1, for instance. And I should be able to print them by simply clicking print, without having to check the start and stop page for each. Ah, yes. The page numbering, document structure (outline, etc) and all other document-specific traits /are/ essential to your "separate sheets", like the editing environment elements (below) - IOW, as you say, exactly like separate documents. And yet one can see some use for these as functionally-linked documents, analogous to sheets of a spreadsheet. Before, I thought the essential elements of your "separate sheets" proposal related to the filing and editing environment: - each "sheet" having its own editing state (cursors, etc - as for separate documents), unaffected by editing of other sheets (unless you had an enhanced content linkage between sheets - such as, say, language translation, paragraph by paragraph); - all "sheets" sharing a super-editing state, with sheet selection via tabs (as in the spreadsheet case), with all sheets/documents loaded together from the same file. Were those not the essential elements? Those would be very desirable features, yes. Think of it this way, why does Calc need separate sheets? What does this allow the user to do? Wouldn't you like to do that in Writer as well? Calc needs separate sheets for different reasons. Examples: - I often do multi-sheet engineering calculations where different sheets are different parts of the calculation, subject to (among other things) different formatting - hence different sheets. In a text document, OTOH, you can change page formatting by changing pages, paragraph formatting by changing paragraphs, etc. - At other times formatting may not change but you use the separate sheets to provide an extra dimension to your calculation: With each sheet limited to two dimensions, representing three independent inputs (to take a common example) is often best done by using separate sheets for the third dimension. I don't think a text document translates readily to such multi-variable problems. Still, there's no reason to think that a text document might not have its own reasons for separate "sheets" (documents) in a file, and I think you have presented some persuasively. John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Dotan Cohen wrote: On 10 June 2010 03:46, John Kaufmann wrote: All fair points, but it's useful to recall that you can separate sections of a document by page breaks, with each section having its own language or topical focus. Never lose sight of the fact that the spreadsheet analogy is imperfect, precisely because the sheets are /not/ separate documents. (Usually there are functional relationships between sheets.) Yes, but my three resumes are three different documents. They should each start their page numbering from 1, for instance. And I should be able to print them by simply clicking print, without having to check the start and stop page for each. Before, I thought the essential elements of your "separate sheets" proposal related to the filing and editing environment: - each "sheet" having its own editing state (cursors, etc - as for separate documents), unaffected by editing of other sheets (unless you had an enhanced content linkage between sheets - such as, say, language translation, paragraph by paragraph); - all "sheets" sharing a super-editing state, with sheet selection via tabs (as in the spreadsheet case), with all sheets/documents loaded together from the same file. Were those not the essential elements? Those would be very desirable features, yes. Think of it this way, why does Calc need separate sheets? What does this allow the user to do? Wouldn't you like to do that in Writer as well? Instead of focusing on parallels to Calc, let's think instead about this: * You have a "family" of text documents, all related to the same overall function. * The documents are fully independent of each other for such things as styles, page numbering, layout, and so on. * When something causes you to want to edit or refer to one of these documents, chances are high that your requirement extends also to the other documents in the family. * Currently, each of these documents has a different name, and you open each in a separate window to achieve your objective. * The proposal is to allow the documents to retain their independence, but be contained in a single file that can be opened with one action and makes the individual documents readily accessible from each other to streamline the updating and/or referencing activities you need to perform. * When you have accomplished your task, you currently close each document separately. With the new structure, a single action closes all the documents. Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this structure is that the recovery information tracks together for all the documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being restored to different points in your workflow. Dotan, is this a reasonable statement of your intent here? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Hi Barbara, In a message dated 2010.06.10 15:20 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: Instead of focusing on parallels to Calc, let's think instead about this: * You have a "family" of text documents, all related to the same overall function. * The documents are fully independent of each other for such things as styles, page numbering, layout, and so on. * When something causes you to want to edit or refer to one of these documents, chances are high that your requirement extends also to the other documents in the family. * Currently, each of these documents has a different name, and you open each in a separate window to achieve your objective. * The proposal is to allow the documents to retain their independence, but be contained in a single file that can be opened with one action and makes the individual documents readily accessible from each other to streamline the updating and/or referencing activities you need to perform. * When you have accomplished your task, you currently close each document separately. With the new structure, a single action closes all the documents. Besides improving efficiency for the document owner, an advantage to this structure is that the recovery information tracks together for all the documents, making it less likely that they will get out of sync by being restored to different points in your workflow. Wow! - that is a brilliant summary of the case! Yes, forget the Calc analogy, which was good as a starting point, but limiting. Thanks for crystallizing the issue. This post is a keeper. John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 10 June 2010 03:46, John Kaufmann wrote: > All fair points, but it's useful to recall that you can separate sections of > a document by page breaks, with each section having its own language or > topical focus. Never lose sight of the fact that the spreadsheet analogy is > imperfect, precisely because the sheets are /not/ separate documents. > (Usually there are functional relationships between sheets.) > Yes, but my three resumes are three different documents. They should each start their page numbering from 1, for instance. And I should be able to print them by simply clicking print, without having to check the start and stop page for each. > Before, I thought the essential elements of your "separate sheets" proposal > related to the filing and editing environment: > - each "sheet" having its own editing state (cursors, etc - as for separate > documents), unaffected by editing of other sheets (unless you had an > enhanced content linkage between sheets - such as, say, language > translation, paragraph by paragraph); > - all "sheets" sharing a super-editing state, with sheet selection via tabs > (as in the spreadsheet case), with all sheets/documents loaded together from > the same file. > > Were those not the essential elements? > Those would be very desirable features, yes. Think of it this way, why does Calc need separate sheets? What does this allow the user to do? Wouldn't you like to do that in Writer as well? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Dotan Cohen wrote: On 9 June 2010 00:42, RA Brown wrote: I think I understand what your looking for and I like the idea. The ODT and ODS files both contain several documents already. The sub-document, for lack of a better term, named content.xml is the actual data that is entered. In ODS -all- the "sheets" are that one document not individual files. Andy, I am not talking about extracting the text files files inside an unzipped ODT file. Or purposes of this discussion it does not matter that ODF is not a compressed binary. I understand that completely Files are things that you can drag around in your file manager. Documents are things that you can print. I understand that as well. The problem is that the actual file does contain several documents. Wouldn't it be nice to have an expenses.ods file that would have one spreadsheet for your home expenses, another for your business expenses, and a third for your hobby expenses? You can do that today, in OOo Calc. They are called sheets. Yes, but all those "sheets" are contained in one document within the file. Wouldn't it be nice to have an expenses.odt file that would have one document that listed your home expenses, another that listed your business expenses, and a third that listed your hobby expenses? Why have three different ODT files for these related documents? How about multiple-language resumes? Why must I keep an English resume in a separate file from my Hebrew resume? Why can't they both be in the same ODT file, just as multiple spreadsheets can be stored in a single ODS file. In fact it would be great to have the feature. The only thing is that it would be what some have called "tabbed" to work the same way that Calc works. The way your original message sounded is that you wanted something like the way gedit works, being able to open several documents in to one open application. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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In a message dated 2010.06.09 18:21 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote: ... Files are things that you can drag around in your file manager. Documents are things that you can print. Wouldn't it be nice to have an expenses.ods file that would have one spreadsheet for your home expenses, another for your business expenses, and a third for your hobby expenses? You can do that today, in OOo Calc. They are called sheets. Wouldn't it be nice to have an expenses.odt file that would have one document that listed your home expenses, another that listed your business expenses, and a third that listed your hobby expenses? Why have three different ODT files for these related documents? How about multiple-language resumes? Why must I keep an English resume in a separate file from my Hebrew resume? Why can't they both be in the same ODT file, just as multiple spreadsheets can be stored in a single ODS file. All fair points, but it's useful to recall that you can separate sections of a document by page breaks, with each section having its own language or topical focus. Never lose sight of the fact that the spreadsheet analogy is imperfect, precisely because the sheets are /not/ separate documents. (Usually there are functional relationships between sheets.) Before, I thought the essential elements of your "separate sheets" proposal related to the filing and editing environment: - each "sheet" having its own editing state (cursors, etc - as for separate documents), unaffected by editing of other sheets (unless you had an enhanced content linkage between sheets - such as, say, language translation, paragraph by paragraph); - all "sheets" sharing a super-editing state, with sheet selection via tabs (as in the spreadsheet case), with all sheets/documents loaded together from the same file. Were those not the essential elements? John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 9 June 2010 00:42, RA Brown wrote: > I think I understand what your looking for and I like the idea. The ODT and > ODS files both contain several documents already. The sub-document, for > lack of a better term, named content.xml is the actual data that is entered. > In ODS -all- the "sheets" are that one document not individual files. > Andy, I am not talking about extracting the text files files inside an unzipped ODT file. Or purposes of this discussion it does not matter that ODF is not a compressed binary. Files are things that you can drag around in your file manager. Documents are things that you can print. Wouldn't it be nice to have an expenses.ods file that would have one spreadsheet for your home expenses, another for your business expenses, and a third for your hobby expenses? You can do that today, in OOo Calc. They are called sheets. Wouldn't it be nice to have an expenses.odt file that would have one document that listed your home expenses, another that listed your business expenses, and a third that listed your hobby expenses? Why have three different ODT files for these related documents? How about multiple-language resumes? Why must I keep an English resume in a separate file from my Hebrew resume? Why can't they both be in the same ODT file, just as multiple spreadsheets can be stored in a single ODS file. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Dotan Cohen wrote: I think that you are confusing the terms "file" and "document". I use the term "file" in the sense of a one-dimensional sequence of bytes. I use the term "document" as the content of a collection of pages rendered in a human-readable (on screen, or printed) form. Currently, an ODF file contains a single document. An ODS file may contain several documents. I suggest that ODF files be allowed to contain several documents as well. Dotan, I think I understand what your looking for and I like the idea. The ODT and ODS files both contain several documents already. The sub-document, for lack of a better term, named content.xml is the actual data that is entered. In ODS -all- the "sheets" are that one document not individual files. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 8 June 2010 16:26, jonathon wrote: > On 06/07/2010 08:13 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> No contradiction. > > The contradiction is that you rejected that which you defined and > described, as being what you do not want and did not describe. > > Which is why you need to rethink your specifications and criteria. > > Start from scratch, laying out specifications, without reference to > _any_ existing functions, components, and capabilities of any software. > I think that you are confusing the terms "file" and "document". I use the term "file" in the sense of a one-dimensional sequence of bytes. I use the term "document" as the content of a collection of pages rendered in a human-readable (on screen, or printed) form. Currently, an ODF file contains a single document. An ODS file may contain several documents. I suggest that ODF files be allowed to contain several documents as well. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 06/07/2010 08:13 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > No contradiction. The contradiction is that you rejected that which you defined and described, as being what you do not want and did not describe. Which is why you need to rethink your specifications and criteria. Start from scratch, laying out specifications, without reference to _any_ existing functions, components, and capabilities of any software. jonathon <> signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 7 June 2010 18:58, jonathon wrote: >> Thank you, but Master Documents is the exact opposite of what I need. >> I need a single file that contains multiple documents, not multiple files to >> be concatenated into a single document! > > Is that contradiction intentional? > > if not, then your specifications and criteria need a major rewrite. > No contradiction. I need several of X inside one Y, but Master Documents provides several Y inside one X. If I need to clarify, then what exactly is not clear? Is it my usage of the words "document" and "file"? I appreciate your assistance, correct my English freely, please! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 06/06/2010 01:22 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Thank you, but Master Documents is the exact opposite of what I need. > I need a single file that contains multiple documents, not multiple files to > be concatenated into a single document! Is that contradiction intentional? if not, then your specifications and criteria need a major rewrite. jonathon -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. <> signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
On 7 June 2010 06:52, Tim Deaton wrote: > I've now looked at the issue > (http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112163) that you opened, > and understand your comment better. For other readers, an OO.o reviewer > closed Dotan's issue, believing it was a duplicate of another issue. The > other issue wanted to be able to open entirely separate ODT files, but have > them APPEAR as tabs on one Writer screen. If I understand Dotan's request, > that is to have multiple "documents" live as separate "sheets" (to use > Calc's default tab names) within one ODT file. > -- Tim > Yes, Tim, you seem to understand me! I clarified the RFE a bit with the Calc example. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Tim Deaton wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: On 6 June 2010 16:28, wrote: The sheets in Calc are not separate documents; they are all part of one single spreadsheet. Formulas from one sheet can reference cells on another sheet. You are right, but I was giving an example of an existing functionality in another OOo application that is analogous to the feature that I was asking about. If you open two separate spreadsheets, they will open in two separate Calc windows, just as two separate text documents open in two separate Writer windows. Yes, I know. I was not referring to "tabs" which some people like. I thought you WERE referring to the spreadsheet tabs - whose default names are "Sheet 1", "Sheet 2", etc. And I think it would be great to add that functionality to Writer. -- Tim I've now looked at the issue (http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112163) that you opened, and understand your comment better. For other readers, an OO.o reviewer closed Dotan's issue, believing it was a duplicate of another issue. The other issue wanted to be able to open entirely separate ODT files, but have them APPEAR as tabs on one Writer screen. If I understand Dotan's request, that is to have multiple "documents" live as separate "sheets" (to use Calc's default tab names) within one ODT file. -- Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Dotan Cohen wrote: On 6 June 2010 16:28, wrote: The sheets in Calc are not separate documents; they are all part of one single spreadsheet. Formulas from one sheet can reference cells on another sheet. You are right, but I was giving an example of an existing functionality in another OOo application that is analogous to the feature that I was asking about. If you open two separate spreadsheets, they will open in two separate Calc windows, just as two separate text documents open in two separate Writer windows. Yes, I know. I was not referring to "tabs" which some people like. I thought you WERE referring to the spreadsheet tabs - whose default names are "Sheet 1", "Sheet 2", etc. And I think it would be great to add that functionality to Writer. -- Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 6 June 2010 18:18, Barbara Duprey wrote: > Hmm .. that's what I thought you *were* referring to -- it's how you get > from one sheet to another within a Calc document, after all. Of course, > Navigator would work, too, and I guess that's what you intended. Though if > each "sheet" retained its own cursor, that would be really fine! > Yes, each "sheet" would retain it's own cursor, scroll position, and most importantly page numbering. Navigator won't help for this. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Dotan Cohen wrote: On 6 June 2010 16:28, wrote: The sheets in Calc are not separate documents; they are all part of one single spreadsheet. Formulas from one sheet can reference cells on another sheet. You are right, but I was giving an example of an existing functionality in another OOo application that is analogous to the feature that I was asking about. If you open two separate spreadsheets, they will open in two separate Calc windows, just as two separate text documents open in two separate Writer windows. Yes, I know. I was not referring to "tabs" which some people like. Hmm .. that's what I thought you *were* referring to -- it's how you get from one sheet to another within a Calc document, after all. Of course, Navigator would work, too, and I guess that's what you intended. Though if each "sheet" retained its own cursor, that would be really fine! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 6 June 2010 16:28, wrote: > The sheets in Calc are not separate documents; they are all part of one > single spreadsheet. Formulas from one sheet can reference cells on another > sheet. You are right, but I was giving an example of an existing functionality in another OOo application that is analogous to the feature that I was asking about. > If you open two separate spreadsheets, they will open in two separate > Calc windows, just as two separate text documents open in two separate > Writer windows. > Yes, I know. I was not referring to "tabs" which some people like. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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Dotan Cohen - dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 June 2010 12:59, Brian Barker wrote: Yes, it's very easy: o Create your second document to follow on from your first. (You can change page styles and so on, so there need be no similarity between them, in fact.) o Ensure your second document starts on an odd-numbered page (whether or not page numbers appear). o Print the entire file. o Now divide the print-out so that one document is in your left hand and the other in your right. (It doesn't matter which is where.) Than you, Brian, but I am not referring to files to print. I need to have several Writer documents together, but each is in fact a separate document. I can put them together in a zip file, but then I need to open up four OOo Writer instances to open them. Much easier would be to have "sheets" like Calc has: all the documents in a single Write file. The sheets in Calc are not separate documents; they are all part of one single spreadsheet. Formulas from one sheet can reference cells on another sheet. If you open two separate spreadsheets, they will open in two separate Calc windows, just as two separate text documents open in two separate Writer windows. Mark. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 6 June 2010 15:27, Wade Smart wrote: > The idea of having "sheets" like calc would be a nice thing to have as I > have had to have multiple docs open to see the correlation between each doc > I was reading but, the easiest thing (probably) to do is to put all the docs > into one document with a blank page separating the different docs and then > zip it up. > I filed a feature request, if you like the idea then vote on it: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112163 Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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On 6 June 2010 15:15, Daniel Lewis wrote: > Perhaps master documents is what you need. IIRC, the Writer Guide has a > chapter devoted to master documents which is available as a separate > document or as part of the Writer Guide. > Thank you, but Master Documents is the exact opposite of what I need. I need a single file that contains multiple documents, not multiple files to be concatenated into a single document! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Daniel Lewis wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: On 6 June 2010 12:59, Brian Barker wrote: Yes, it's very easy: o Create your second document to follow on from your first. (You can change page styles and so on, so there need be no similarity between them, in fact.) o Ensure your second document starts on an odd-numbered page (whether or not page numbers appear). o Print the entire file. o Now divide the print-out so that one document is in your left hand and the other in your right. (It doesn't matter which is where.) Than you, Brian, but I am not referring to files to print. I need to have several Writer documents together, but each is in fact a separate document. I can put them together in a zip file, but then I need to open up four OOo Writer instances to open them. Much easier would be to have "sheets" like Calc has: all the documents in a single Write file. Perhaps master documents is what you need. IIRC, the Writer Guide has a chapter devoted to master documents which is available as a separate document or as part of the Writer Guide. Dan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org The idea of having "sheets" like calc would be a nice thing to have as I have had to have multiple docs open to see the correlation between each doc I was reading but, the easiest thing (probably) to do is to put all the docs into one document with a blank page separating the different docs and then zip it up. Wade -- Registered Linux User: #480675 Registered Linux Machine: #408606 Linux since June 2005 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Dotan Cohen wrote: On 6 June 2010 12:59, Brian Barker wrote: Yes, it's very easy: o Create your second document to follow on from your first. (You can change page styles and so on, so there need be no similarity between them, in fact.) o Ensure your second document starts on an odd-numbered page (whether or not page numbers appear). o Print the entire file. o Now divide the print-out so that one document is in your left hand and the other in your right. (It doesn't matter which is where.) Than you, Brian, but I am not referring to files to print. I need to have several Writer documents together, but each is in fact a separate document. I can put them together in a zip file, but then I need to open up four OOo Writer instances to open them. Much easier would be to have "sheets" like Calc has: all the documents in a single Write file. Perhaps master documents is what you need. IIRC, the Writer Guide has a chapter devoted to master documents which is available as a separate document or as part of the Writer Guide. Dan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
On 6 June 2010 12:59, Brian Barker wrote: > Yes, it's very easy: > o Create your second document to follow on from your first. (You can > change page styles and so on, so there need be no similarity between them, > in fact.) > o Ensure your second document starts on an odd-numbered page (whether or > not page numbers appear). > o Print the entire file. > o Now divide the print-out so that one document is in your left hand and > the other in your right. (It doesn't matter which is where.) > Than you, Brian, but I am not referring to files to print. I need to have several Writer documents together, but each is in fact a separate document. I can put them together in a zip file, but then I need to open up four OOo Writer instances to open them. Much easier would be to have "sheets" like Calc has: all the documents in a single Write file. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
At 10:57 06/06/2010 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: Calc lets users have multiple "sheets" in a single file. As each sheet is a document unto itself, can something similar be done in Writer? I.E., can the user have multiple documents in a single Writer file as well? Yes, it's very easy: o Create your second document to follow on from your first. (You can change page styles and so on, so there need be no similarity between them, in fact.) o Ensure your second document starts on an odd-numbered page (whether or not page numbers appear). o Print the entire file. o Now divide the print-out so that one document is in your left hand and the other in your right. (It doesn't matter which is where.) ;^) Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Multiple "sheets" in Writer
Calc lets users have multiple "sheets" in a single file. As each sheet is a document unto itself, can something similar be done in Writer? I.E., can the user have multiple documents in a single Writer file as well? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
