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HAHA... This honestly sounds like words comming out of Satan's mouth... Wait a minute, I've heard that somewhere... Needful Things by Steven King. Any movie fans out there? Robbie is emerging as Leland Gaunt driving that nice old black Mercedes into the quiet town of Castle Rock... Leland Gaunt = Robbie Smelly Smeets Town of Castle Rock, Maine = Tapestry Mailing List .. and many more interesting similarities ... I'm starting to like him !! This is becomming enteraining :) On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, Jesse help me here. You wrote that you tend to delete my emails without reading them but you are obviously replying to one of them. Like those reading now, I'm smelling something fishy here. Or did your slave master Howard come to drag and force you to reply? It seems, like the other high profile users, you too are quietly dissapearing but Howard came to bribe you to come and show your face here because of the remark I made about you. That's sad. If you've quit Tapestry don't be shy to admit. Above all you'll be free from your master since he's been treating you like a slave for too long a time. And everyone here would rejoice a slave is finally set free. Yours friendly, Rob On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just very busy with work and playing video games. (Tapestry has improved my lifestyle in this area immensely ) I usually spend more time writing code and learning than communicating with humans, so it's easy to get lost in that sometimes. (sorry if you've felt ignored, I tend to delete your private emails when I see who the sender is without reading them - as you have nothing interesting to offer) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this;
Re: AW: Getting Answers on the User List
I'm kind of bogged down in Guitar Hero 3; Hard is just too hard. It needs a level between medium and hard where you use the orange button only occasionally, and just do more chords, hammer-ons and layoffs. I thought while I was recovering last month (I had some minor elective surgery) that I'd finish off Splinter Cell: Double Agent, but it didn't interest me. I worked on Tapestry instead! On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just very busy with work and playing video games. (Tapestry has improved my lifestyle in this area immensely ) I usually spend more time writing code and learning than communicating with humans, so it's easy to get lost in that sometimes. (sorry if you've felt ignored, I tend to delete your private emails when I see who the sender is without reading them - as you have nothing interesting to offer) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain aspect. Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way Rob does has pretty much discounted his voice. People whose opinion counts, those who have something valuable to say or have actually accomplished something worthwhile, are WAY too busy to get into a verbal ping-pong match with Rob
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Yeah, Guitar Hero III is stupidly hard on Hard. I played Guitar Hero II on Expert but had to drop down to Hard on III. Took me, what, three months to beat it - the last guitar battle is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now working on Expert, but kinda stuck about halfway through on The Metal. :P And yeah, Tapestry is often so much more interesting anyhow. ;) -Filip Howard Lewis Ship skrev: I'm kind of bogged down in Guitar Hero 3; Hard is just too hard. It needs a level between medium and hard where you use the orange button only occasionally, and just do more chords, hammer-ons and layoffs. I thought while I was recovering last month (I had some minor elective surgery) that I'd finish off Splinter Cell: Double Agent, but it didn't interest me. I worked on Tapestry instead! On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just very busy with work and playing video games. (Tapestry has improved my lifestyle in this area immensely ) I usually spend more time writing code and learning than communicating with humans, so it's easy to get lost in that sometimes. (sorry if you've felt ignored, I tend to delete your private emails when I see who the sender is without reading them - as you have nothing interesting to offer) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain aspect. Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the time and obsessive
Re: AW: Getting Answers on the User List
Oh, Jesse help me here. You wrote that you tend to delete my emails without reading them but you are obviously replying to one of them. Like those reading now, I'm smelling something fishy here. Or did your slave master Howard come to drag and force you to reply? It seems, like the other high profile users, you too are quietly dissapearing but Howard came to bribe you to come and show your face here because of the remark I made about you. That's sad. If you've quit Tapestry don't be shy to admit. Above all you'll be free from your master since he's been treating you like a slave for too long a time. And everyone here would rejoice a slave is finally set free. Yours friendly, Rob On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just very busy with work and playing video games. (Tapestry has improved my lifestyle in this area immensely ) I usually spend more time writing code and learning than communicating with humans, so it's easy to get lost in that sometimes. (sorry if you've felt ignored, I tend to delete your private emails when I see who the sender is without reading them - as you have nothing interesting to offer) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain aspect. Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way Rob does has pretty much
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Oh, Mr. Lewis Ship, so you're musical. All the musicians I know who program are forward thinking people and very talented. They don't go and do a re-work after they've made a release. You've been violating even CS101. I'm very surprised. Your friendly, Rob On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm kind of bogged down in Guitar Hero 3; Hard is just too hard. It needs a level between medium and hard where you use the orange button only occasionally, and just do more chords, hammer-ons and layoffs. I thought while I was recovering last month (I had some minor elective surgery) that I'd finish off Splinter Cell: Double Agent, but it didn't interest me. I worked on Tapestry instead! On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just very busy with work and playing video games. (Tapestry has improved my lifestyle in this area immensely ) I usually spend more time writing code and learning than communicating with humans, so it's easy to get lost in that sometimes. (sorry if you've felt ignored, I tend to delete your private emails when I see who the sender is without reading them - as you have nothing interesting to offer) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I don't remember ever having
Re: AW: Getting Answers on the User List
I think it's about time we report this jackass to google or even the FTC. Apart from being a bothersome embarrassment to humanity, he's most likely in violation of google's terms of service as well as at least one law. Rob Smeets wrote: Oh, Mr. Lewis Ship, so you're musical. All the musicians I know who program are forward thinking people and very talented. They don't go and do a re-work after they've made a release. You've been violating even CS101. I'm very surprised. Your friendly, Rob On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm kind of bogged down in Guitar Hero 3; Hard is just too hard. It needs a level between medium and hard where you use the orange button only occasionally, and just do more chords, hammer-ons and layoffs. I thought while I was recovering last month (I had some minor elective surgery) that I'd finish off Splinter Cell: Double Agent, but it didn't interest me. I worked on Tapestry instead! On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just very busy with work and playing video games. (Tapestry has improved my lifestyle in this area immensely ) I usually spend more time writing code and learning than communicating with humans, so it's easy to get lost in that sometimes. (sorry if you've felt ignored, I tend to delete your private emails when I see who the sender is without reading them - as you have nothing interesting to offer) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a
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Blimey, they really are out to get you Rob! Run, run like the wind... -Original Message- From: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2008 11:27 To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: AW: Getting Answers on the User List Oh, Jesse help me here. You wrote that you tend to delete my emails without reading them but you are obviously replying to one of them. Like those reading now, I'm smelling something fishy here. Or did your slave master Howard come to drag and force you to reply? It seems, like the other high profile users, you too are quietly dissapearing but Howard came to bribe you to come and show your face here because of the remark I made about you. That's sad. If you've quit Tapestry don't be shy to admit. Above all you'll be free from your master since he's been treating you like a slave for too long a time. And everyone here would rejoice a slave is finally set free. Yours friendly, Rob On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just very busy with work and playing video games. (Tapestry has improved my lifestyle in this area immensely ) I usually spend more time writing code and learning than communicating with humans, so it's easy to get lost in that sometimes. (sorry if you've felt ignored, I tend to delete your private emails when I see who the sender is without reading them - as you have nothing interesting to offer) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak
Re: AW: Getting Answers on the User List
+1 Chris Lewis schrieb: I think it's about time we report this jackass to google or even the FTC. Apart from being a bothersome embarrassment to humanity, he's most likely in violation of google's terms of service as well as at least one law. Rob Smeets wrote: Oh, Mr. Lewis Ship, so you're musical. All the musicians I know who program are forward thinking people and very talented. They don't go and do a re-work after they've made a release. You've been violating even CS101. I'm very surprised. Your friendly, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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did it :) take a random post from rob and do it also if you have gamil acc. all the posts are offensive more or less https://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=29381 Davor Hrg On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Michael Gerzabek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 Chris Lewis schrieb: I think it's about time we report this jackass to google or even the FTC. Apart from being a bothersome embarrassment to humanity, he's most likely in violation of google's terms of service as well as at least one law. Rob Smeets wrote: Oh, Mr. Lewis Ship, so you're musical. All the musicians I know who program are forward thinking people and very talented. They don't go and do a re-work after they've made a release. You've been violating even CS101. I'm very surprised. Your friendly, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well if you don't have gmail you can also use https://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse_phishing Links to Program Policies and Terms of Use are included. Michael Davor Hrg schrieb: did it :) take a random post from rob and do it also if you have gamil acc. all the posts are offensive more or less https://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=29381 Davor Hrg On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Michael Gerzabek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 Chris Lewis schrieb: I think it's about time we report this jackass to google or even the FTC. Apart from being a bothersome embarrassment to humanity, he's most likely in violation of google's terms of service as well as at least one law. Rob Smeets wrote: Oh, Mr. Lewis Ship, so you're musical. All the musicians I know who program are forward thinking people and very talented. They don't go and do a re-work after they've made a release. You've been violating even CS101. I'm very surprised. Your friendly, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Awesome! Violating CS101?! Classic! Dude, you should get your own show on comedy central. Christian. On 15-Apr-08, at 06:34 , Rob Smeets wrote: Oh, Mr. Lewis Ship, so you're musical. All the musicians I know who program are forward thinking people and very talented. They don't go and do a re-work after they've made a release. You've been violating even CS101. I'm very surprised. Your friendly, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Great! Thanks Michael I was looking for that. chris Michael Gerzabek wrote: well if you don't have gmail you can also use https://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse_phishing Links to Program Policies and Terms of Use are included. Michael Davor Hrg schrieb: did it :) take a random post from rob and do it also if you have gamil acc. all the posts are offensive more or less https://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=29381 Davor Hrg On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Michael Gerzabek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 Chris Lewis schrieb: I think it's about time we report this jackass to google or even the FTC. Apart from being a bothersome embarrassment to humanity, he's most likely in violation of google's terms of service as well as at least one law. Rob Smeets wrote: Oh, Mr. Lewis Ship, so you're musical. All the musicians I know who program are forward thinking people and very talented. They don't go and do a re-work after they've made a release. You've been violating even CS101. I'm very surprised. Your friendly, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://thegodcode.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Great! Thanks for that link Michael, I was looking for that. chris Michael Gerzabek wrote: well if you don't have gmail you can also use https://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse_phishing Links to Program Policies and Terms of Use are included. Michael Davor Hrg schrieb: did it :) take a random post from rob and do it also if you have gamil acc. all the posts are offensive more or less https://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=29381 Davor Hrg On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Michael Gerzabek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 Chris Lewis schrieb: I think it's about time we report this jackass to google or even the FTC. Apart from being a bothersome embarrassment to humanity, he's most likely in violation of google's terms of service as well as at least one law. Rob Smeets wrote: Oh, Mr. Lewis Ship, so you're musical. All the musicians I know who program are forward thinking people and very talented. They don't go and do a re-work after they've made a release. You've been violating even CS101. I'm very surprised. Your friendly, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://thegodcode.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain aspect. Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way Rob does has pretty much discounted his voice. People whose opinion counts, those who have something valuable to say or have actually accomplished something worthwhile, are WAY too busy to get into a verbal ping-pong match with Rob here or on some other forum. In that respect, Rob is a somewhat positive force in the Tapestry world ... by getting the ire up of the many, many Tapestry users who love the framework and can't stand to see it bashed. The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and every single person in the building is deriving their living directly from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different companies on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the next year ... and that's just the tiny tip of the iceberg of Tapestry users I know about. I'm excited about what I'm doing now, and I'm excited about everything we have planned going forward. On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Kersten wrote: I start to like him. What a nice smile this little post put on my face. I like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit higher if you know what I mean. :-) You lucky !!! joking I, on the opposite, just hope someone would 'accidentally' pass over him on a
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Our resident troll is absolutely hilarious! On 14/04/2008, at 8:41 PM, Rob Smeets wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain aspect. Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way Rob does has pretty much discounted his voice. People whose opinion counts, those who have something valuable to say or have actually accomplished something worthwhile, are WAY too busy to get into a verbal ping-pong match with Rob here or on some other forum. In that respect, Rob is a somewhat positive force in the Tapestry world ... by getting the ire up of the many, many Tapestry users who love the framework and can't stand to see it bashed. The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and every single person in the building is deriving their living directly from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different companies on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the next year ... and that's just the tiny tip of the iceberg of Tapestry users I know about. I'm excited about what I'm doing now, and I'm excited about everything we have planned going forward. On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Kersten wrote: I start to like him. What a nice smile this little post put on my face. I like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit higher if you know what I mean. :-) You lucky !!! joking I, on the opposite, just hope someone would 'accidentally' pass over him on a 16-wheeler. I'd do it myself, except I have no truck driving license, and I won't happen to pass near Utrecht anytime soon :) /joking What a pity it's always idiots that happen to have so much free time. I just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm interested in, while he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and crunch balls to all the others... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 11. April 2008 16:34 An: Tapestry users Betreff: Re: Getting Answers on the User List - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship
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Again, will you back up any of your claims with something technical, and stop whining ? you are not a wicket user and you know too little about it to comapre it to tapestry. Why do you keep bringinng wicket up again, and again ? Why don't you reply to any user mail to help, or ask for help like real users ? I'm would ignore you just like jesse, but someone must mark your remarks as they are: TROLL, so nobody is mistaken when reading these threads. Davor Hrg On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain aspect. Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way Rob does has pretty much discounted his voice. People whose opinion counts, those who have something valuable to say or have actually accomplished something worthwhile, are WAY too busy to get into a verbal ping-pong match with Rob here or on some other forum. In that respect, Rob is a somewhat positive force in the Tapestry world ... by getting the ire up of the many, many Tapestry users who love the framework and can't stand to see it bashed. The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and every single person in the building is deriving their living directly from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different companies on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the next
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Just very busy with work and playing video games. (Tapestry has improved my lifestyle in this area immensely ) I usually spend more time writing code and learning than communicating with humans, so it's easy to get lost in that sometimes. (sorry if you've felt ignored, I tend to delete your private emails when I see who the sender is without reading them - as you have nothing interesting to offer) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile Tapestry users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which whacked Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with another webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a business model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't compatible with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they would have to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? Is he going to be the next to deflect? Yours friendly, Rob On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not pick on the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not destined to take challenges head on. Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the last couple of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can even name more names. That within 7 years you've trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of Tapestry. I would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to follow Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then they flee from the schock and pain. At a point in time your ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, from any bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current state. The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should rename Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the hooplas about backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have your peace of mind. Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't persecute the messenger. Yours friendly, Rob On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain aspect. Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way Rob does has pretty much discounted his voice. People whose opinion counts, those who have something valuable to say or have actually accomplished something worthwhile, are WAY too busy to get into a verbal ping-pong match with Rob here or on some other forum. In that respect, Rob is a somewhat positive force in the Tapestry world ... by getting the ire up of the many, many Tapestry users who love the framework and can't stand to see it bashed. The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and every single person in the building is deriving their living directly from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different companies on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number
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There are so many interesting replies over here. As for me I found this list is very interesting. This is a great place where you can find a lot useful information. Also if you can ask right question definitely you can get right answer which is great. Anyway as Java developer my first technology was JSF. It was not an easy thing to use it especially when you don't have experience in different Java technologies. But after that I had an opportunity to try out Tapestry 4. After JSF it was not an easy framework. I mean at that time I even didn't know what Inversion of Control means as the result it was very hard to start. And later I had an opportunity to work with Spring (another IoC) and some things become clear for me (I mean HiveMind concepts). Anyway Tapestry 4 helped me understood better how JSF works. I know that for someone it sounds strange but if you look at any book about Tapestry4 or T5 you will found that the first thing each author tried to explain how to pass data from one page to another and how user can persist data on some page (e.g. @Persist). In JSF it's a bit tricky since JSF by default don't include such a useful thing but at the same time Myfaces Tomahawk provides additional component which does this work. And a few months ago I tried to use T5. What can I say it's amazing framework and you can build your applications very easy. Most of all I like such things: 1) T5 allow user to modify Java classes (related to your T5 app) without restarting app server. 2) No configuration stored in XML 3) Great error handling 4) Easy to create your own components. Of course, there are a lot of things to enhance. JSF 2.0 will include many T5 ideas is very great for T5. It is another proof that T5 is a great framework to develop web applications. But there is one challenge for beginners is that T5 is based on T5 IoC (which I personally think a good marriage) as the result if you want to use full power of T5 you need to understand IoC. To Rob: I decided to highlight you because you are special person :-). If you feel that Howard has an ego then try to avoid it. To be honest how you can feel Howard's ego in this maillist. You can always ask right question and get right answers and you will never hit Howard's ego. But I must tell you if you don't know it yet that every person has an ego and even you :-). But of course, if you are working with Howard (which I'm sure is not true) then you have always an opportunity to be kind and respect Howard since he really changed the world of Java Web Application Frameworks. In other words stop this FUD. On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Michael Gerzabek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard Lewis Ship schrieb: The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and every single person in the building is deriving their living directly from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different companies on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the next year ... and that's just the tiny tip of the iceberg of Tapestry users I know about. I'm excited about what I'm doing now, and I'm excited about everything we have planned going forward. And that's really a men with a vision. Kudos Howard!!! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Martin Kersten wrote: I start to like him. What a nice smile this little post put on my face. I like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit higher if you know what I mean. :-) You lucky !!! joking I, on the opposite, just hope someone would 'accidentally' pass over him on a 16-wheeler. I'd do it myself, except I have no truck driving license, and I won't happen to pass near Utrecht anytime soon :) /joking What a pity it's always idiots that happen to have so much free time. I just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm interested in, while he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and crunch balls to all the others... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 11. April 2008 16:34 An: Tapestry users Betreff: Re: Getting Answers on the User List - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain aspect. Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way Rob does has pretty much discounted his voice. People whose opinion counts, those who have something valuable to say or have actually accomplished something worthwhile, are WAY too busy to get into a verbal ping-pong match with Rob here or on some other forum. In that respect, Rob is a somewhat positive force in the Tapestry world ... by getting the ire up of the many, many Tapestry users who love the framework and can't stand to see it bashed. The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and every single person in the building is deriving their living directly from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different companies on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the next year ... and that's just the tiny tip of the iceberg of Tapestry users I know about. I'm excited about what I'm doing now, and I'm excited about everything we have planned going forward. On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Kersten wrote: I start to like him. What a nice smile this little post put on my face. I like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit higher if you know what I mean. :-) You lucky !!! joking I, on the opposite, just hope someone would 'accidentally' pass over him on a 16-wheeler. I'd do it myself, except I have no truck driving license, and I won't happen to pass near Utrecht anytime soon :) /joking What a pity it's always idiots that happen to have so much free time. I just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm interested in, while he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and crunch balls to all the others... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 11. April 2008 16:34 An: Tapestry users Betreff: Re: Getting Answers on the User List - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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only one word: cool 2008/4/11, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this incredible ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's working with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and he's chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he really doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), but he's able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound like he knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite impressive. I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps he's a capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on his hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) who is capable of stringing together words and phrases without really understanding any of it. Rob gets a sense of power by trying to tweak myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I went though a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) but I don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard-brain aspect. Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has the time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way Rob does has pretty much discounted his voice. People whose opinion counts, those who have something valuable to say or have actually accomplished something worthwhile, are WAY too busy to get into a verbal ping-pong match with Rob here or on some other forum. In that respect, Rob is a somewhat positive force in the Tapestry world ... by getting the ire up of the many, many Tapestry users who love the framework and can't stand to see it bashed. The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and every single person in the building is deriving their living directly from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different companies on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the next year ... and that's just the tiny tip of the iceberg of Tapestry users I know about. I'm excited about what I'm doing now, and I'm excited about everything we have planned going forward. On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Kersten wrote: I start to like him. What a nice smile this little post put on my face. I like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit higher if you know what I mean. :-) You lucky !!! joking I, on the opposite, just hope someone would 'accidentally' pass over him on a 16-wheeler. I'd do it myself, except I have no truck driving license, and I won't happen to pass near Utrecht anytime soon :) /joking What a pity it's always idiots that happen to have so much free time. I just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm interested in, while he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and crunch balls to all the others... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 11. April 2008 16:34 An: Tapestry users Betreff: Re: Getting Answers on the User List - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- with regards Sven Homburg http://tapestry5-components.googlecode.com
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Howard Lewis Ship schrieb: The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and every single person in the building is deriving their living directly from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different companies on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the next year ... and that's just the tiny tip of the iceberg of Tapestry users I know about. I'm excited about what I'm doing now, and I'm excited about everything we have planned going forward. And that's really a men with a vision. Kudos Howard!!! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
