[videoblogging] Christians and Motherfucking Jesus

[jsonofgod1]

To all of the Christians on this group, I apologize in advance!

I am simply a vlogger like you, except that I am the son of god :)

I do not mean any disrespect, nor do I intend to provoke any
discussion of my real life and the way that the bible portrays it on
this forum.

I realize that this forum is for discussions of all things vlogging,
and not our individual vlogs.

If you would like to discuss such things, I would be happy to take it
offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], or on my blog
at jesusisback.blogspot.com

Most humble regards,

Motherfucking Jesus






 
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[videoblogging] Re: Introduction - New Vlogger

[gottadiva]

> It's ok that you don't like people saying motherfucking jesus. It's
> also ok for people to say whatever they want on this list, except for
> hatespeech, attacks and overly commercial pitches, under which I think
> motherfucking jesus doesn't really fall :)


Yes, it is.  I'm glad we agree. He can say whatever he wants. I just
wanted to offer my two cents.



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Blogger vs. other blogging services for vlogging

[Joshua Kinberg]

how about TypePad? Its very easy to use and well worth the money.

-Josh


On 3/18/06, waterloomelissa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I use Blogger (free) and also pay $25/year for Photobucket image
> hosting (http://www.photobucket.com). Photobucket has just introduced
> video hosting (max 3 minutes long each) for paid account holders.
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> I like the idea because the video album can be kept private (i.e I can
> choose who I invite to see the vids) and uploading automatically
> generates code for embedding the video in a Blogger blog post and now
> allows (optional) direct posting.
>
> I've just done one test post so far and it worked (fully embedded) but
> the quality of the video was not great compared to the original so I
> removed it. The jury is out until I test it a few times and confirm
> whether or not the quality is always compromised (and at what point in
> the process).
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> I don't imagine many or any here would use Photobucket this way but
> thought you might like to know it's happening.
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[videoblogging] Re: Blogger vs. other blogging services for vlogging

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Some video hosting sites offer a blog-like section


I use Blogger (free) and also pay $25/year for Photobucket image
hosting (http://www.photobucket.com). Photobucket has just introduced
video hosting (max 3 minutes long each) for paid account holders. 

I like the idea because the video album can be kept private (i.e I can
choose who I invite to see the vids) and uploading automatically
generates code for embedding the video in a Blogger blog post and now
allows (optional) direct posting. 

I've just done one test post so far and it worked (fully embedded) but
the quality of the video was not great compared to the original so I
removed it. The jury is out until I test it a few times and confirm
whether or not the quality is always compromised (and at what point in
the process).

I don't imagine many or any here would use Photobucket this way but
thought you might like to know it's happening.

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Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Anne Walk]

I know that, in the art world, artists are allowed to use copyrighted materials in their work - at least, they have since I last did. In Canada, the right of the artist to use pop culture iconography as critique has held. Could be changing soon though, the way things are going.
I find it interesting that videobloggers are categorized under the same rules as filmmakers and not artists when it comes to copyright enforcement. how does one tell the difference when it comes to videoblogs?
One thing that may present a problem is when a videographer uses a song, for example, as a soundtrack and it is not a critique of any kind and does not add to the video's narrative but serves only as musical accompaniment. That doesn't constitute fair use. That just constitutes use.
I have seen videos that have used "illegal" content (images, audio) that I would fight to protect from being shut down because the content serves an important function within the context of the video's narrative.
It's a murky issue.On 3/18/06, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Beyond Fair Use:I have an unpostulated hypothesis if there is such a concept that theuse of copyrighted music in online videos by personal publisherstends to restrict interest in the content at hand and ultimately
slows any natural distribution that might otherwise occur.When I see a great video created by someone with copyrighted music, Iusually become disappointed that the video has that flaw. I think ita flaw. At least its a controversy, likely unrelated to the content
at hand and thus distracting. The flaw is not attached to thecontent. If the music were properly licensed or used legally, theflaw would be gone.Some people's flaws are other people's perfections, sometimes, though
with regard to the blatant use of copyrighted material, beyond fairuse, there is a problem circling around that content and so, I guessfeeling-wise, I just can't ever be with complete comfort about it, nomatter how great some content might otherwise be.
On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:18 PM, jonny goldstein wrote:>>> I think it is complete b.s. that people can't legally remix the> culture around them without the kind of friction the current system
> presents.> .> I encourage everyone to get political about this. We are an interest> group. I don't know if we should band together to create a lobby, or> support existing organizations like the Electronic Frontier
> Foundation, but let's do our bit to influence the debate on this> stuff.>> If you haven't already, I recommend checking out "Free Culture" by> Laurence Lessig from your local library to get a snapshot of where the
> legal system is today regarding I.P., how it got there,  and how it> could be changed for the better.>> Then JD's book, "Darknet" gives a glimpse of what is actually> happening as people use technology to share and remix despite the
> legal maneuvers of the big media lobbies. Also available from your> local library.>> Time to change the system. --- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Paul, You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will> likely never
>> receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if> you ever>> wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear>> the>> rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but
> that's>> the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its>> very>> typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved> to pick>> up for distribution due to issues like this. There are whole
>> industries>> built around the clearances of rights, and believe me they don't> take these>> things lightly. It may all be off the radar now and for a long time to come.
> Obviously its>> impossible to track down everything that exists onine. But, if you're>> dealing with distributors who need to care about these things (and> someone's>> job is probably devoted to it), then it really does become an issue.
 -Josh>> On 3/18/06, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster,
> I don't>>> have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a> hobby and puts>>> the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets> face it a>>> selective audience of ten's around the world.   I don't advertise,
> the free>>> video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some> occasions put>>> on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only> generates 1000>>> views, from this site.
>>> I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the>>> free>>> video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a>>> source of>>> copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or
>>> British>>> versions thereof.  Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved.>> I await with humor.>> Paul Knight>>>
>> On 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David How

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Introduction - New Vlogger

[Peter Van Dijck]

It's ok that you don't like people saying motherfucking jesus. It's
also ok for people to say whatever they want on this list, except for
hatespeech, attacks and overly commercial pitches, under which I think
motherfucking jesus doesn't really fall :)

Peace.
Peter

On 3/18/06, gottadiva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a liberal christian (not a bible thumper in any way), I do not care
> for using 'jesus' and swear words together. I think it's blasphemous,
> just as I wouldn't do anything like that in relation to muslims, jews,
> or whatever.  Just my humble opinion
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> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy  wrote:
> > >
> > > welcome (or welcome back, whatever)
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> > > some would say you need a feed to be a vlogger
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> > > i pray that you will check out http://freevlog.org step 6
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> > > btw, blog is http://jesusisback.blogspot.com/
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> > > jsonofgod1 wrote:
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> > > >Hello,
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> > > >My name is Jesus, and yes I am a vlogger.  Now some of you think that
> > > >I got crucified back in the day, but that shit's all whack!  I have
> > > >been around this whole time, and now I am video blogging.  Please
> > > >check out my shows at :
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> > > >http://veoh.com/search.html?query=mfjrs&numResults=20&x=0&y=0
> > > >
> > > >Would appreciate your comments.
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[videoblogging] Re: Introduction - New Vlogger

[gottadiva]

As a liberal christian (not a bible thumper in any way), I do not care
for using 'jesus' and swear words together. I think it's blasphemous,
just as I wouldn't do anything like that in relation to muslims, jews,
or whatever.  Just my humble opinion

http://www.vlogdiva.com



> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy  wrote:
> >
> > welcome (or welcome back, whatever)
> > 
> > some would say you need a feed to be a vlogger
> > 
> > i pray that you will check out http://freevlog.org step 6
> > 
> > btw, blog is http://jesusisback.blogspot.com/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > jsonofgod1 wrote:
> > 
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >My name is Jesus, and yes I am a vlogger.  Now some of you think that
> > >I got crucified back in the day, but that shit's all whack!  I have
> > >been around this whole time, and now I am video blogging.  Please
> > >check out my shows at :
> > >
> > >http://veoh.com/search.html?query=mfjrs&numResults=20&x=0&y=0
> > >
> > >Would appreciate your comments.
> > >
> > >Motherfucking Jesus
> > >
> > >
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> > http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Blogger vs. other blogging services for vlogging

[Devlon]

Some video hosting sites offer a blog-like section.  Anne is adding content to the service reviews on testinggrounds.loadedpun.com...that might help?  It needs more information still, but a lot of sites don't make there features, terms of service, etc. in an obvious place, so a lot of hunting is required to pull together concise information...but we're working on it :)
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Which will bring us back to doe!  Doe: a deer, a female deer; ray: a drop of golden sun...
 
H.J.J. 
On 3/18/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Blogger.com is simple and free (be limited in capabilty):

http://www.blogger.com/startYou can also use my utility on Blogger.com to embed videos:

http://utilities.cinegage.com/videos-playing-in-place/#BloggerInstallor use this link:  http://tinyurl.com/gss5b
   ;), 
   Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, "jsonofgod1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Thanks, but looks like a lot of work.  Is there anything simple for us> non-techies?> > Motherfucking Jesus> > --- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric"  wrote:> >> > My preference is Wordpress.  
> > > > http://wordpress.org/download/> > > > It takes a bit of setup and technical work, but it's quite elegant and
> > free blogging/podcasting/videoblogging software.  Make sure to turn> > off the visual editor after installing it so that you can enter the> > embed code for your videos.  I have a Wordpress plugin to simplify and
> > enhance embedding video into Wordpress at > > > > 
http://utilities.cinegage.com/videos-playing-in-place/
> > > >   -- Enric> >   -==-> >   http://www.cirne.com> >   
> > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "jsonofgod1" 
wrote:> > >> > > Should I keep my blog on Blogger, or is there a better bloggingsystem> > > for vlogs?> > > > > > CRITERIA> > > > > > Easy to use
> > > Supports RSS embedding of video> > > Free preferred, but paid accepted> > > > > > What else should I be looking for?> > > > > > Motherfucking Jesus
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[videoblogging] MS YES Project

[Paul Knight]

Just to let you guys know we have had our 4th MS YES PROJECT VIDEO   
in and its rather groovy, I have posted it on the dailymotion site  
and it is one of our better ones.  The link is http:// 
www.dailymotion.com/La_rangee_avant/video/81404

If anyone would like to help us to raise money and awareness of this  
first videobloggerthon you can get more details at http:// 
msyesproject.blogspot.com.

As many as possible is needed for this charity project, which despite  
the rumours is still going strong.

Also thanks so much for Lisa Ours contibution http:// 
www.dailymotion.com/group/831/video/78434 which also appeared this week.

We aim to raise the profile of videoblogging and ms similtaniously.   
If anyone want to take part, e-mail me direct or check out the blog  
for more details.

Use of non copyrighted material is allowed.


Love to you all

Paul Knight



 
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Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[andrew michael baron]

Beyond Fair Use:

I have an unpostulated hypothesis if there is such a concept that the  
use of copyrighted music in online videos by personal publishers  
tends to restrict interest in the content at hand and ultimately  
slows any natural distribution that might otherwise occur.

When I see a great video created by someone with copyrighted music, I  
usually become disappointed that the video has that flaw. I think it  
a flaw. At least its a controversy, likely unrelated to the content  
at hand and thus distracting. The flaw is not attached to the  
content. If the music were properly licensed or used legally, the  
flaw would be gone.

Some people's flaws are other people's perfections, sometimes, though  
with regard to the blatant use of copyrighted material, beyond fair  
use, there is a problem circling around that content and so, I guess  
feeling-wise, I just can't ever be with complete comfort about it, no  
matter how great some content might otherwise be.

On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:18 PM, jonny goldstein wrote:

>
>
> I think it is complete b.s. that people can't legally remix the
> culture around them without the kind of friction the current system
> presents.
> .
> I encourage everyone to get political about this. We are an interest
> group. I don't know if we should band together to create a lobby, or
> support existing organizations like the Electronic Frontier
> Foundation, but let's do our bit to influence the debate on this  
> stuff.
>
> If you haven't already, I recommend checking out "Free Culture" by
> Laurence Lessig from your local library to get a snapshot of where the
> legal system is today regarding I.P., how it got there,  and how it
> could be changed for the better.
>
> Then JD's book, "Darknet" gives a glimpse of what is actually
> happening as people use technology to share and remix despite the
> legal maneuvers of the big media lobbies. Also available from your
> local library.
>
> Time to change the system.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will
> likely never
>> receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if
> you ever
>> wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear  
>> the
>> rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but
> that's
>> the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its  
>> very
>> typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved
> to pick
>> up for distribution due to issues like this. There are whole  
>> industries
>> built around the clearances of rights, and believe me they don't
> take these
>> things lightly.
>>
>> It may all be off the radar now and for a long time to come.
> Obviously its
>> impossible to track down everything that exists onine. But, if you're
>> dealing with distributors who need to care about these things (and
> someone's
>> job is probably devoted to it), then it really does become an issue.
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>>
>> On 3/18/06, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster,
> I don't
>>> have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a
> hobby and puts
>>> the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets
> face it a
>>> selective audience of ten's around the world.   I don't advertise,
> the free
>>> video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some
> occasions put
>>> on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only
> generates 1000
>>> views, from this site.
>>> I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the  
>>> free
>>> video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a  
>>> source of
>>> copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or  
>>> British
>>> versions thereof.  Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved.
>>>
>>> I await with humor.
>>>
>>> Paul Knight
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David Howell wrote:
>>>
>>>  If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My
>>> internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The
>>> station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations.
>>> Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On
>>> occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.
>>>
>>> First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.
>>>
>>> The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.
>>>
>>> David
>>> http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
>>>
>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy  wrote:

 "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording)

 
 i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared
 straight" approach
 

 it appears that their idea of education is more like what most  
 folks
 call a threat

 mainly they tell stories a

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Blogger vs. other blogging services for vlogging

[Harold Johnson]

Which will bring us back to doe!  Doe: a deer, a female deer; ray: a drop of golden sun...
 
H.J.J. 
On 3/18/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Blogger.com is simple and free (be limited in capabilty):
http://www.blogger.com/startYou can also use my utility on Blogger.com to embed videos:
http://utilities.cinegage.com/videos-playing-in-place/#BloggerInstallor use this link:  http://tinyurl.com/gss5b
   ;), 
   Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, "jsonofgod1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Thanks, but looks like a lot of work.  Is there anything simple for us> non-techies?> > Motherfucking Jesus> > --- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric"  wrote:> >> > My preference is Wordpress.  
> > > > http://wordpress.org/download/> > > > It takes a bit of setup and technical work, but it's quite elegant and
> > free blogging/podcasting/videoblogging software.  Make sure to turn> > off the visual editor after installing it so that you can enter the> > embed code for your videos.  I have a Wordpress plugin to simplify and
> > enhance embedding video into Wordpress at > > > > http://utilities.cinegage.com/videos-playing-in-place/
> > > >   -- Enric> >   -==-> >   http://www.cirne.com> >   
> > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "jsonofgod1" 
wrote:> > >> > > Should I keep my blog on Blogger, or is there a better bloggingsystem> > > for vlogs?> > > > > > CRITERIA> > > > > > Easy to use
> > > Supports RSS embedding of video> > > Free preferred, but paid accepted> > > > > > What else should I be looking for?> > > > > > Motherfucking Jesus
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[videoblogging] Re: Blogger vs. other blogging services for vlogging

[Enric]

Blogger.com is simple and free (be limited in capabilty):

http://www.blogger.com/start

You can also use my utility on Blogger.com to embed videos:

http://utilities.cinegage.com/videos-playing-in-place/#BloggerInstall
or use this link:  http://tinyurl.com/gss5b

   ;),

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "jsonofgod1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks, but looks like a lot of work.  Is there anything simple for us
> non-techies?
> 
> Motherfucking Jesus
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric"  wrote:
> >
> > My preference is Wordpress.  
> > 
> > http://wordpress.org/download/
> > 
> > It takes a bit of setup and technical work, but it's quite elegant and
> > free blogging/podcasting/videoblogging software.  Make sure to turn
> > off the visual editor after installing it so that you can enter the
> > embed code for your videos.  I have a Wordpress plugin to simplify and
> > enhance embedding video into Wordpress at 
> > 
> > http://utilities.cinegage.com/videos-playing-in-place/
> > 
> >   -- Enric
> >   -==-
> >   http://www.cirne.com
> >   
> > 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "jsonofgod1" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Should I keep my blog on Blogger, or is there a better blogging
system
> > > for vlogs?
> > > 
> > > CRITERIA
> > > 
> > > Easy to use
> > > Supports RSS embedding of video
> > > Free preferred, but paid accepted
> > > 
> > > What else should I be looking for?
> > > 
> > > Motherfucking Jesus
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[videoblogging] Is there enough????

[Enric]

I read this post a few days ago from Arin Crumley who made the
inddependent film, "Four Eyed Monsters".  I felt he asked provocative
questions that would be worth considering here.  Arin's site is at

http://www.myspace.com/arincrumley

The blog post is at http://tinyurl.com/zqmf7 :
===
 Uh, oh, not a "can't sleep" blog entry, those are the worst. But I
can't, and I noticed some cool people subscribed to my blog when I
discovered the "my readers" button and I'm inspired to start using
this blog more. So, tomorrow we have what could be an important,
meeting, I know, every meeting could be important, you never know
until you have it, but the possiblities we've talked about tonight
preparing for the meeting are very interesting. I'll share more of the
details once we've had the meeting and there is something to talk
about. But in the meantime, here are some basic questions that have
sparked ideas and dialog lately.

What will the idea of blogs, podcasts, video podcasts, photocasts, and
what not evolve into?

When will mainstream media companies realize that if they want to
create in these arenas, they have to change the type of content they
put out so that it makes sense in the medium they're using to distribute?

Whats beyond myspace as we know it? How else can myspace be used right
now adopting to it's new incarnation early? Or is what we are looking
at really all there will be?

What do people want? Is it connections to strangers, connections to
friends, connections to strangers that feel like friends...?

What do they want to watch, media that they make? Media they could
never possibly make? Media that feels like something they could make?
Media that people who feel like friends made?

Where do they want to watch it, will people really start creating
there own personal channel of content that they currate and subscribe
to and then watch back to back on their own time various episodes of
shows they've subscribed to? Will people have the ability to have all
this content on the large screen, on the small screen beyond the tech
savvy options of today?

How are people going to be discovering culture, is it through
mainstream press, is it based on awards and recognition, or is it
becoming purely based on the recommendations of close friends the
trust? Are these close friends real life friends? Can online
aquantances really trust eachother, how much accountability? Is there
enough??

till next time.

Arin

3:41 AM 

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[videoblogging] Re: Blogger vs. other blogging services for vlogging

[jsonofgod1]

Thanks, but looks like a lot of work.  Is there anything simple for us
non-techies?

Motherfucking Jesus

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My preference is Wordpress.  
> 
> http://wordpress.org/download/
> 
> It takes a bit of setup and technical work, but it's quite elegant and
> free blogging/podcasting/videoblogging software.  Make sure to turn
> off the visual editor after installing it so that you can enter the
> embed code for your videos.  I have a Wordpress plugin to simplify and
> enhance embedding video into Wordpress at 
> 
> http://utilities.cinegage.com/videos-playing-in-place/
> 
>   -- Enric
>   -==-
>   http://www.cirne.com
>   
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "jsonofgod1"  wrote:
> >
> > Should I keep my blog on Blogger, or is there a better blogging system
> > for vlogs?
> > 
> > CRITERIA
> > 
> > Easy to use
> > Supports RSS embedding of video
> > Free preferred, but paid accepted
> > 
> > What else should I be looking for?
> > 
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[videoblogging] Re: Blogger vs. other blogging services for vlogging

[Enric]

My preference is Wordpress.  

http://wordpress.org/download/

It takes a bit of setup and technical work, but it's quite elegant and
free blogging/podcasting/videoblogging software.  Make sure to turn
off the visual editor after installing it so that you can enter the
embed code for your videos.  I have a Wordpress plugin to simplify and
enhance embedding video into Wordpress at 

http://utilities.cinegage.com/videos-playing-in-place/

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> Should I keep my blog on Blogger, or is there a better blogging system
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> 
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> 
> What else should I be looking for?
> 
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[videoblogging] Blogger vs. other blogging services for vlogging

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Should I keep my blog on Blogger, or is there a better blogging system
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CRITERIA

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Re: [videoblogging] Introduction - New Vlogger

[Markus Sandy]

welcome (or welcome back, whatever)

some would say you need a feed to be a vlogger

i pray that you will check out http://freevlog.org step 6

btw, blog is http://jesusisback.blogspot.com/




jsonofgod1 wrote:

>Hello,
>
>My name is Jesus, and yes I am a vlogger.  Now some of you think that
>I got crucified back in the day, but that shit's all whack!  I have
>been around this whole time, and now I am video blogging.  Please
>check out my shows at :
>
>http://veoh.com/search.html?query=mfjrs&numResults=20&x=0&y=0
>
>Would appreciate your comments.
>
>Motherfucking Jesus
>
>
>
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[videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[jonny goldstein]

Yes, media companies rarely go after people for using their
copyrighted material, so most people are safe, most of the time.
However there are huge harms created by the current legal structures.

 Take the after school program I run with dozens of teenagers. We're
videoblogging. If those kids were at home making their own stuff, they
would probably use copyrighted stuff w/no problem, but since they  are
doing it from a big after school program, from a school, within the
NYC school system, it doesn't work that way. An individual can get
away with things on her own that won't work if she is working from
within an institution, because institutions don't want to be on the
end of massive legal penalties. So I can't let the kids remix the
media they eat, drink, and breath unless it's under very narrow "fair
use" conditions (and even that's a crapshoot. The only way to
determine fair use is to litigate it, and that's very expensive). That
is lame

So you can flout the laws, from your own home, but students can't. 

This is ridiculous. It's time for the vast majority of media users 
and makers 
(everyone but the big media companies) to expend some energy to
influence the government to create a more reasonable legal situation
so we can participate in our culture, legally, and fully.


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Reynoldson"
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>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight 
> wrote:
> >
> > Arrrghhh! Shiver Mi Timbers!  File sharing p2p or darknet or news  
> > groups is bad.  Bad for the record companies and artist and  
> > consumers, I thought we were discussing the using snipets of  
> > copyrighted music in videoblogs, not who uses p2p like limewire or etc
> > I listened to all the future of darknet interviews, and found
nothing  
> > but people wanting to make money or get rich off either using music  
> > in order to make money, or people sharing in a p2p or darknet.  But  
> > hey at the end of the day, who is making money out of videoblogging,  
> > using blip.tv, the archive and dailymotion.  I am not paying for any  
> > thing on line and subsequently I don't get nothing in the way of  
> > money for my works.
> > I still think, the use of copyrighted material in videoblogs that  
> > make no money and flies beneath the radar of the MPAA or RIAA.  Then  
> > hey why not.  All they want to police is the use of copyrighted  
> > protected data thru copying and pirating.
> > 
> > If it was the policy of these free video site to implement the law
on  
> > copyrighted music in videos (Videoblogs) maybe it should be policed  
> > in the same way as pronography.  But I doubt that would happen either.
> > 
> > By the way I don't share anything on a p2p or newgroups or darknet  
> > network.  I merely make funny little films with bits of music I have  
> > in my own CD library.
> > 
> > Paul Knight
> > 
> > On 18 Mar 2006, at 17:06, Enric wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sage words there,
> > > >
> > > > However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to
the BBC
> > > > for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music
including
> > > > 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the
choice of
> > > > whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one
with the
> > > > music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?
> > > > Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last
> > > > year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,
> > > > that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt
whether, the
> > > > RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a  
> > > community we
> > > > are still pretty small.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > >
> > > From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl? 
> > > sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found
guilty of
> > > illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that
their
> > > defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no
> > > evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the
> > > BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in
> > > costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of
this
> > > kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight
instead
> > > of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are  
> > > pending.
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI (
> > > http://www.bpi.co.uk/ )?
> > >
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SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[jonny goldstein]

I think it is complete b.s. that people can't legally remix the
culture around them without the kind of friction the current system
presents.
.
I encourage everyone to get political about this. We are an interest
group. I don't know if we should band together to create a lobby, or
support existing organizations like the Electronic Frontier
Foundation, but let's do our bit to influence the debate on this stuff.

If you haven't already, I recommend checking out "Free Culture" by
Laurence Lessig from your local library to get a snapshot of where the
legal system is today regarding I.P., how it got there,  and how it
could be changed for the better.

Then JD's book, "Darknet" gives a glimpse of what is actually
happening as people use technology to share and remix despite the
legal maneuvers of the big media lobbies. Also available from your
local library. 

Time to change the system.







--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Paul,
> 
> You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will
likely never
> receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if
you ever
> wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear the
> rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but
that's
> the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its very
> typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved
to pick
> up for distribution due to issues like this. There are whole industries
> built around the clearances of rights, and believe me they don't
take these
> things lightly.
> 
> It may all be off the radar now and for a long time to come.
Obviously its
> impossible to track down everything that exists onine. But, if you're
> dealing with distributors who need to care about these things (and
someone's
> job is probably devoted to it), then it really does become an issue.
> 
> -Josh
> 
> 
> On 3/18/06, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster,
I don't
> > have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a
hobby and puts
> > the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets
face it a
> > selective audience of ten's around the world.   I don't advertise,
the free
> > video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some
occasions put
> > on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only
generates 1000
> > views, from this site.
> > I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the free
> > video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a source of
> > copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or British
> > versions thereof.  Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved.
> >
> > I await with humor.
> >
> > Paul Knight
> >
> >
> > On 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David Howell wrote:
> >
> >  If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My
> > internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The
> > station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations.
> > Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On
> > occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.
> >
> > First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.
> >
> > The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.
> >
> > David
> > http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy  wrote:
> > >
> > > "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording)
> > >
> > > 
> > > i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared
> > > straight" approach
> > > 
> > >
> > > it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks
> > > call a threat
> > >
> > > mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate
> > your
> > > butt
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks for the url steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Garfield wrote:
> > >
> > > >If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.
> > > >
> > > >The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday,
March 13
> > > >
> > > >http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/
> > > >SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3
> > > >or
> > > >http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg
> > > >
> > > >Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music
> > > >industries square off over the new realities of digital
distribution
> > > >over private spaces online.
> > > >
> > > >Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of
America Inc
> > > >Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr
> > > >Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP
> > > >Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
> > > >JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia
> > > >Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,
> > > >>because as a community we are still pretty small.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > 

[videoblogging] Re: Introduction - New Vlogger

[jsonofgod1]

Thanks, I did check out freevlog.  great site.

I am working on making a feed using feedburner.  It looks like a lot
of the vloggers in this group have a feed already on VEOH, although
some still haven't claimed them.  Would love opinion of how that works
for any of you that are using it.  Also, should I use some other
communities?  Tried YouTube, but didn't get any traction there.  Not
sure why.  Haven't tried FireANT.

BTW, next episode is all about Mel Gibson, Michael Jackson, and Bill
O'Reilly.

Motherfucking Jesus


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> welcome (or welcome back, whatever)
> 
> some would say you need a feed to be a vlogger
> 
> i pray that you will check out http://freevlog.org step 6
> 
> btw, blog is http://jesusisback.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> jsonofgod1 wrote:
> 
> >Hello,
> >
> >My name is Jesus, and yes I am a vlogger.  Now some of you think that
> >I got crucified back in the day, but that shit's all whack!  I have
> >been around this whole time, and now I am video blogging.  Please
> >check out my shows at :
> >
> >http://veoh.com/search.html?query=mfjrs&numResults=20&x=0&y=0
> >
> >Would appreciate your comments.
> >
> >Motherfucking Jesus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Introduction - New Vlogger

[Paul Knight]

I think by the look of things there is a downloadable client like fireant just for veoh already there, and you can add your rss feed straight into veoh at some point when you set things up, it's a great site.  What also makes it good is, if you have your videos already online somewhere you can just add the feed and hey presto all your videos upload from that source.  I think it's worth checking out.  I see already richard show is there and a few familiar names from dailymotion.Could this be a better place to post your videos?Paul KnightOn 18 Mar 2006, at 19:00, jsonofgod1 wrote:  Thank you :-)  I have a bunch more that I am digitizing right now.  Just started using VEOH, have three episodes on there, but it seems to work pretty good, get a lot of emails about the video.  do you think I still need a feed?  Motherfucking Jesus    --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Man, >  > That was the funniest video I have seen for ages, and yes I have used   > your link to join VEOH, it looks really cool and one hell of a   > community.  There are so many out there now. >  > Wicked >  > Paul knight > On 18 Mar 2006, at 18:43, jsonofgod1 wrote: >  > > Hello, > > > > My name is Jesus, and yes I am a vlogger.  Now some of you think that > > I got crucified back in the day, but that shit's all whack!  I have > > been around this whole time, and now I am video blogging.  Please > > check out my shows at : > > > > http://veoh.com/search.html?query=mfjrs&numResults=20&x=0&y=0 > > > > Would appreciate your comments. > > > > Motherfucking Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Individual  Fireant  Use > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > >  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. > > > >  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > >  >  >  > Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog >  > http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com > http://pjkweddingvideo.blogspot.com >  > It's worth a laugh and (mostly) work friendly. >SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: Introduction - New Vlogger

[jsonofgod1]

Thank you :-)

I have a bunch more that I am digitizing right now.  Just started
using VEOH, have three episodes on there, but it seems to work pretty
good, get a lot of emails about the video.  do you think I still need
a feed?

Motherfucking Jesus  

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> Man,
> 
> That was the funniest video I have seen for ages, and yes I have used  
> your link to join VEOH, it looks really cool and one hell of a  
> community.  There are so many out there now.
> 
> Wicked
> 
> Paul knight
> On 18 Mar 2006, at 18:43, jsonofgod1 wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > My name is Jesus, and yes I am a vlogger.  Now some of you think that
> > I got crucified back in the day, but that shit's all whack!  I have
> > been around this whole time, and now I am video blogging.  Please
> > check out my shows at :
> >
> > http://veoh.com/search.html?query=mfjrs&numResults=20&x=0&y=0
> >
> > Would appreciate your comments.
> >
> > Motherfucking Jesus
> >
> >
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> http://pjkweddingvideo.blogspot.com
> 
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Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Joshua Kinberg]

Paul,You're not a bad person and you're probably right that you will likely never receive a take-down notice or any nasty notes from Lawyers. But, if you ever wanted to do more with your work, you probably would have to clear the rights for the soundtracks. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but that's the current status of things. I've worked in TV stations, and its very typical that we had to reject certain works that we would have loved to pick up for distribution due to issues like this. There are whole industries built around the clearances of rights, and believe me they don't take these things lightly.
It may all be off the radar now and for a long time to come. Obviously its impossible to track down everything that exists onine. But, if you're dealing with distributors who need to care about these things (and someone's job is probably devoted to it), then it really does become an issue.
-JoshOn 3/18/06, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster, I don't have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a hobby and puts the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets face it a selective audience of ten's around the world.   I don't advertise, the free video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some occasions put on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only generates 1000 views, from this site.
I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the free video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a source of copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or British versions thereof.  Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved.
I await with humor.Paul KnightOn 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David Howell wrote:
  If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My
 internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations. Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.
  First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.  The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.  David 
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > > "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording) >  >  > i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared  > straight" approach
 >  >  > it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks  > call a threat >  > mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate
 your  > butt >  >  > thanks for the url steve >  >  >  >  > Steve Garfield wrote: >  > >If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.
 > > > >The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday, March 13 > > > >
http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/  > >SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3 > >or > >
http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg > > > >Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music   > >industries square off over the new realities of digital distribution   > >over private spaces online.
 > > > >Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of America Inc > >Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr > >Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP > >Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
 > >JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia > >Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc > > > > > >On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote: > > > >   > >
 > >>I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,   > >>because as a community we are still pretty small. > >>     > >> > > > >--Steve
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Re: [videoblogging] Introduction - New Vlogger

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Man,That was the funniest video I have seen for ages, and yes I have used your link to join VEOH, it looks really cool and one hell of a community.  There are so many out there now.Wicked Paul knight On 18 Mar 2006, at 18:43, jsonofgod1 wrote:  Hello,  My name is Jesus, and yes I am a vlogger.  Now some of you think that I got crucified back in the day, but that shit's all whack!  I have been around this whole time, and now I am video blogging.  Please check out my shows at :  http://veoh.com/search.html?query=mfjrs&numResults=20&x=0&y=0  Would appreciate your comments.  Motherfucking Jesus   SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.  Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog  http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com http://pjkweddingvideo.blogspot.com  It's worth a laugh and (mostly) work friendly.   




  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Paul Reynoldson]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Arrrghhh! Shiver Mi Timbers!  File sharing p2p or darknet or news  
> groups is bad.  Bad for the record companies and artist and  
> consumers, I thought we were discussing the using snipets of  
> copyrighted music in videoblogs, not who uses p2p like limewire or etc
> I listened to all the future of darknet interviews, and found nothing  
> but people wanting to make money or get rich off either using music  
> in order to make money, or people sharing in a p2p or darknet.  But  
> hey at the end of the day, who is making money out of videoblogging,  
> using blip.tv, the archive and dailymotion.  I am not paying for any  
> thing on line and subsequently I don't get nothing in the way of  
> money for my works.
> I still think, the use of copyrighted material in videoblogs that  
> make no money and flies beneath the radar of the MPAA or RIAA.  Then  
> hey why not.  All they want to police is the use of copyrighted  
> protected data thru copying and pirating.
> 
> If it was the policy of these free video site to implement the law on  
> copyrighted music in videos (Videoblogs) maybe it should be policed  
> in the same way as pronography.  But I doubt that would happen either.
> 
> By the way I don't share anything on a p2p or newgroups or darknet  
> network.  I merely make funny little films with bits of music I have  
> in my own CD library.
> 
> Paul Knight
> 
> On 18 Mar 2006, at 17:06, Enric wrote:
> 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sage words there,
> > >
> > > However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC
> > > for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including
> > > 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of
> > > whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the
> > > music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?
> > > Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last
> > > year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,
> > > that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall.
> > >
> > > Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the
> > > RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a  
> > community we
> > > are still pretty small.
> > >
> > > 
> >
> > From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl? 
> > sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :
> >
> > 
> >
> > An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found guilty of
> > illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that their
> > defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no
> > evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the
> > BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in
> > costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of this
> > kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight instead
> > of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are  
> > pending.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI (
> > http://www.bpi.co.uk/ )?
> >
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Ok I am now gonna have my two penneth's worth, I have read some real
scare mongering stories here from folks who live in the country that
invented "the sue me and i'll sue you state".
I am sick and tired of reading this crap.
Firstly shall we look at bands who are trying to hit the big time who
havent go record deals. They play the club circuitBritish working
mens clubs I know I was part of that scene. The punters did not want
to hear your own material, they just wanted to hear the standards, the
hits of the day. I dont remember our agent or our manager seeking the
permission off Northern songs or any other publishing company for that
matter. If it is that much of a problem here most of the up and coming
British bands and singers would not be up and coming any more due to
legal costs.. i may I say that they are getting paid for entertaining
people using other folks material.The club is licensed for live music
but are the bands allowed to cover material that is not
theirs..naughty , naughty...The club circuit is strong and healthy and
is a breeding ground for the next Westlife, Michael Jackson etc. All
those with any talent that appeared on X factor and pop idol trod the
same path.
if the bmi were that interested they would be raiding these clubs ..In
the same vain there is the local youth club or the wedding party where
music is played without being licensed to play

[videoblogging] putting on the big Squeeze

[DrLinton Hutchinson]

hey buoys and gulls anyone using Sorenson Squeeze?  If so Give me the  
low down on compression settings for

MACROMEDIA FLASH VIDEO  (.flv)  format and settings!  Please! Thanks,  
What works, what's blows,

Tanks loads,

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[videoblogging] Introduction - New Vlogger

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Hello,

My name is Jesus, and yes I am a vlogger.  Now some of you think that
I got crucified back in the day, but that shit's all whack!  I have
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Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Paul Knight]

I think this comment is besides the point, I am not a broadcaster, I don't have a radio station, I am simply a man who makes videos as a hobby and puts the occasional mainstream track on my videos for all, well lets face it a selective audience of ten's around the world.   I don't advertise, the free video hosting sites don't really, I have had my videos on some occasions put on the Featured Video on Dailymotion, but doing this only generates 1000 views, from this site.I will stick with my original plan, I will keep the video on the free video hosting sites until I am asked to take it down from a source of copyright law, either the MPAA or the RIAA or the European or British versions thereof.  Then and Only Then my argument will be resolved.I await with humor.Paul KnightOn 18 Mar 2006, at 15:44, David Howell wrote:  If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations. Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.  First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.  The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.  David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording) >  >  > i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared  > straight" approach >  >  > it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks  > call a threat >  > mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate your  > butt >  >  > thanks for the url steve >  >  >  >  > Steve Garfield wrote: >  > >If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi. > > > >The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday, March 13 > > > >http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/  > >SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3 > >or > >http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg > > > >Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music   > >industries square off over the new realities of digital distribution   > >over private spaces online. > > > >Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of America Inc > >Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr > >Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP > >Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink > >JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia > >Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc > > > > > >On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote: > > > >   > > > >>I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,   > >>because as a community we are still pretty small. > >>     > >> > > > >--Steve > >   > > >  >  > --  >  > markus sandy >  > http://apperceptions.org > http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com >SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vloggers getting together

[kelly belly]

On Mar 17, 2006, at 07:23 , hpbatman7 wrote:
> Still if any Vloggers plan on doing something like a VloggerCon in
> Chicago, Indy, Michigan anywhere in the MidWest that would be great!!

There's a "Meet the Vloggers" coming up in Chicago on May 20th. It's  
not as big as VloggerCon, but there should be a pretty good turnout.


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Re: [videoblogging] ping and ping back?

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The same goes for Movable Type; I had to disable trackbacks  
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Re: SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Markus Sandy]

jonny goldstein wrote:

>The more into vlogging I get, the more convinced I am that this stuff
>is so important. I just read Lessig's "Free Culture," JD's "Darknet,"
>checked out the EFF site and other resources. 
>
same here, i'll bet many of us are following similar paths

>I don't know how we get a more reasonable IP situation going, but I
>think panels like this are great. At least we are having a discussion. 
>
>  
>

this felt to me more like a rehash of what is getting to be a rather old 
argument

i agree that there some interesting 'statements' being made

but it does not seem like there is really much 'discussion' going on in 
these panels



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[videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Enric]

Broadband video is a multibillion dollar industry that Hollywood,
networks and record companies are in the process of getting into. 
Unless their copyright policies change, it's just a matter of time
before they start prosecuting those that infringe their copyright and
trademark usage.  Recommending people do that puts those that follow
such advice in potential jeopardy.  It's fine if you want to do that,
but don't recommend others take the liability.  Particularly when
there are talented musicians on sites like http://magnatune.com/
willing to have their music available for just attribution to
podcasters and videolbloggers.  They can use the exposure, regardless
of how small, rather pop hits known by millions.

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Arrrghhh! Shiver Mi Timbers!  File sharing p2p or darknet or news  
> groups is bad.  Bad for the record companies and artist and  
> consumers, I thought we were discussing the using snipets of  
> copyrighted music in videoblogs, not who uses p2p like limewire or etc
> I listened to all the future of darknet interviews, and found nothing  
> but people wanting to make money or get rich off either using music  
> in order to make money, or people sharing in a p2p or darknet.  But  
> hey at the end of the day, who is making money out of videoblogging,  
> using blip.tv, the archive and dailymotion.  I am not paying for any  
> thing on line and subsequently I don't get nothing in the way of  
> money for my works.
> I still think, the use of copyrighted material in videoblogs that  
> make no money and flies beneath the radar of the MPAA or RIAA.  Then  
> hey why not.  All they want to police is the use of copyrighted  
> protected data thru copying and pirating.
> 
> If it was the policy of these free video site to implement the law on  
> copyrighted music in videos (Videoblogs) maybe it should be policed  
> in the same way as pronography.  But I doubt that would happen either.
> 
> By the way I don't share anything on a p2p or newgroups or darknet  
> network.  I merely make funny little films with bits of music I have  
> in my own CD library.
> 
> Paul Knight
> 
> On 18 Mar 2006, at 17:06, Enric wrote:
> 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sage words there,
> > >
> > > However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC
> > > for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including
> > > 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of
> > > whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the
> > > music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?
> > > Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last
> > > year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,
> > > that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall.
> > >
> > > Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the
> > > RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a  
> > community we
> > > are still pretty small.
> > >
> > > 
> >
> > From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl? 
> > sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :
> >
> > 
> >
> > An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found guilty of
> > illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that their
> > defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no
> > evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the
> > BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in
> > costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of this
> > kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight instead
> > of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are  
> > pending.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI (
> > http://www.bpi.co.uk/ )?
> >
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[videoblogging] Re: ping and ping back?

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"
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> 
> Really? I have never gotten pingback spam. I have gotten a lot of  
> trackback spam. Wordpress verifies links recieved via pingbacks (it
checks  
> whether the webpage really does contain a link to you). Sucks if
spammers  
> are getting through that.
> 
> -- 
> Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
> http://www.solitude.dk/ >
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>


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Paul Knight]

Arrrghhh! Shiver Mi Timbers!  File sharing p2p or darknet or news groups is bad.  Bad for the record companies and artist and consumers, I thought we were discussing the using snipets of copyrighted music in videoblogs, not who uses p2p like limewire or etcI listened to all the future of darknet interviews, and found nothing but people wanting to make money or get rich off either using music in order to make money, or people sharing in a p2p or darknet.  But hey at the end of the day, who is making money out of videoblogging, using blip.tv, the archive and dailymotion.  I am not paying for any thing on line and subsequently I don't get nothing in the way of money for my works.I still think, the use of copyrighted material in videoblogs that make no money and flies beneath the radar of the MPAA or RIAA.  Then hey why not.  All they want to police is the use of copyrighted protected data thru copying and pirating.If it was the policy of these free video site to implement the law on copyrighted music in videos (Videoblogs) maybe it should be policed in the same way as pronography.  But I doubt that would happen either.By the way I don't share anything on a p2p or newgroups or darknet network.  I merely make funny little films with bits of music I have in my own CD library.Paul KnightOn 18 Mar 2006, at 17:06, Enric wrote:  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sage words there, >  > However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC   > for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including   > 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of   > whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the   > music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we? > Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last   > year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,   > that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall. >  > Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the   > RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a community we   > are still pretty small. >  >   From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :    An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found guilty of illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that their defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of this kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight instead of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are pending.  ==  Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI ( http://www.bpi.co.uk/ )?     -- Enric  SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: ping and ping back?

[Enric]

On Wordpress Allowing Pingbacks is allowing trackbacks.

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:41:01 +0100, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > One note in regards to WordPress... If you set it to accept pingbacks,
> > you may get "pingbacks spam" and I know that in older versions, there
> > was no approval for pingbacks like there was for comments. (This may
> > have changed in v2.x)
> 
> Really? I have never gotten pingback spam. I have gotten a lot of  
> trackback spam. Wordpress verifies links recieved via pingbacks (it
checks  
> whether the webpage really does contain a link to you). Sucks if
spammers  
> are getting through that.
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.solitude.dk/ >
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Re: [videoblogging] AC takes CC to DC

[robert a/k/a r]

LOL. Thanks.

My sense is Adam's usage of CC license, the breach by the company that 
nicked his images and the court's decision may be a decent precedent.

Disclaimer: IANAL, do your own thinking.



On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:39 PM, Jan McLaughlin wrote:

> Nominate your Subject for "Best Creative Use of Subject" for the week,
> r.
>
> Jan
>
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 1:02 AM, robert a/k/a r wrote:
>
>> Recent news re Creative Commons enforceability, Adam Curry takes the
>> matter to Dutch Court:
>>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Brett Gaylor]

However,
Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC for their
website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including 'The Great
Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of whether
to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the
music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?
Not certain, but they probably pay a blanket license for all the stuff that plays on the beeb.  

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[videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Sage words there,
> 
> However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC  
> for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including  
> 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of  
> whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the  
> music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?
> Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last  
> year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day,  
> that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall.
> 
> Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the  
> RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a community we  
> are still pretty small.
> 
> 

>From http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/27/1552240&from=rss :



An anonymous reader writes "Two British men have been found guilty of
illegally sharing music via a P2P network. The BBC reports that their
defense of 'Not knowing it was illegal' and that 'There was no
evidence' did not hold water, and they have been ordered to pay the
BPI 'between £1500 and £5000' - probably with double that again in
costs. Theis isn't the first time the BPI has launched a case of this
kind - but it is the first time the accused has tried to fight instead
of stumping up the cash straight away. Three other verdicts are pending.

==

Are you prepared to reimburse that could be prosecutd by BPI (
http://www.bpi.co.uk/ )?

   -- Enric





 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: New video bloggers stay away from Wordpress -- recommendation

[Joshua Kinberg]

My bad then.. I'm not familiar with Wordpress.com setup. But I have
seen this issue with line breaks in the past with Rich Text Editors
and Blogging tools.

-josh


On 3/18/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wordpress.com (not the wordpress software, but the hosting site)
> actually removes HTML code like ... ...>... regardless of spacing.
>
>   - Enric
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just a note... there seems to be a misconception about embedthevideo.com
> > Maybe the name is bad... it should probably be
> > embedthevideoinapopupwindow.com because that's really what it does.
> > The code it generates is nothing other than a simple link, or an image
> > link (your preference). When clicked, it launches the video in a new
> > popup window with the proper embedding code. Go there and check out
> > the code yourself. If you can include hyperlinks in a blog entry, then
> > you can use the code created at embedthevideo.com
> >
> > The issue that you're likely seeing with freevideocoding.com and
> > wordpress.com is the fact that the rich text editor used by Wordpress
> > (and Blogger for that matter), will stick in extra  line breaks
> > each time you enter a new line in the text input. So, if you have
> > multiple lines of HTML (which is normal for the video embedding code)
> > then it will actually be broken up by several  tags Not good.
> >
> > One way to solve this would be to take out all the line breaks in the
> > code you're generating at freevideocoding.com. Its harder for people
> > to read code that way, but what's the difference if they're just
> > hitting copy-paste?
> >
> > -Josh
> >
> >
> > On 3/18/06, Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > hi everybody,
> > >
> > > Thanks to those that pointed out that wordpress blogging service
> doesn't
> > > allow most html including embedded videos.  My recommendation stands.
> > >
> > > And for pointing out that wordpress 2.0 software does allow custom
> html
> > > codes (including embedded videos). You guys were right I was
> assuming that
> > > their service and their software were the same.  I apologize for
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> > > with such a broad brush.
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[videoblogging] Re: New video bloggers stay away from Wordpress -- recommendation

[Enric]

Wordpress.com (not the wordpress software, but the hosting site)
actually removes HTML code like .. regardless of spacing.

  - Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Just a note... there seems to be a misconception about embedthevideo.com
> Maybe the name is bad... it should probably be
> embedthevideoinapopupwindow.com because that's really what it does.
> The code it generates is nothing other than a simple link, or an image
> link (your preference). When clicked, it launches the video in a new
> popup window with the proper embedding code. Go there and check out
> the code yourself. If you can include hyperlinks in a blog entry, then
> you can use the code created at embedthevideo.com
> 
> The issue that you're likely seeing with freevideocoding.com and
> wordpress.com is the fact that the rich text editor used by Wordpress
> (and Blogger for that matter), will stick in extra  line breaks
> each time you enter a new line in the text input. So, if you have
> multiple lines of HTML (which is normal for the video embedding code)
> then it will actually be broken up by several  tags Not good.
> 
> One way to solve this would be to take out all the line breaks in the
> code you're generating at freevideocoding.com. Its harder for people
> to read code that way, but what's the difference if they're just
> hitting copy-paste?
> 
> -Josh
> 
> 
> On 3/18/06, Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > hi everybody,
> >
> > Thanks to those that pointed out that wordpress blogging service
doesn't
> > allow most html including embedded videos.  My recommendation stands.
> >
> > And for pointing out that wordpress 2.0 software does allow custom
html
> > codes (including embedded videos). You guys were right I was
assuming that
> > their service and their software were the same.  I apologize for
painting
> > with such a broad brush.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks everyone for helped to straighten this out. :- ) 
And Im
> > happy now that videobloggers won't point the finger at
freevideocoding.com
> > anymore. (Or embedthevideo or videobloggers.org etc)
> >
> > Nerissa
> >
> >
> > 
> > Nerissa Oden
> > http://TheVideoQueen.com
> > http://FreeMediaGuide.com
> > http://FreeVideoCoding.com
> > http://FreeVideoEditing.com
> > http://Nebelungs.blogspot.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: New video bloggers stay away from Wordpress -- recommendation

[Joshua Kinberg]

Just a note... there seems to be a misconception about embedthevideo.com
Maybe the name is bad... it should probably be
embedthevideoinapopupwindow.com because that's really what it does.
The code it generates is nothing other than a simple link, or an image
link (your preference). When clicked, it launches the video in a new
popup window with the proper embedding code. Go there and check out
the code yourself. If you can include hyperlinks in a blog entry, then
you can use the code created at embedthevideo.com

The issue that you're likely seeing with freevideocoding.com and
wordpress.com is the fact that the rich text editor used by Wordpress
(and Blogger for that matter), will stick in extra  line breaks
each time you enter a new line in the text input. So, if you have
multiple lines of HTML (which is normal for the video embedding code)
then it will actually be broken up by several  tags Not good.

One way to solve this would be to take out all the line breaks in the
code you're generating at freevideocoding.com. Its harder for people
to read code that way, but what's the difference if they're just
hitting copy-paste?

-Josh


On 3/18/06, Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hi everybody,
>
> Thanks to those that pointed out that wordpress blogging service doesn't
> allow most html including embedded videos.  My recommendation stands.
>
> And for pointing out that wordpress 2.0 software does allow custom html
> codes (including embedded videos). You guys were right I was assuming that
> their service and their software were the same.  I apologize for painting
> with such a broad brush.
>
> Anyway, thanks everyone for helped to straighten this out. :- )  And Im
> happy now that videobloggers won't point the finger at freevideocoding.com
> anymore. (Or embedthevideo or videobloggers.org etc)
>
> Nerissa
>
>
> 
> Nerissa Oden
> http://TheVideoQueen.com
> http://FreeMediaGuide.com
> http://FreeVideoCoding.com
> http://FreeVideoEditing.com
> http://Nebelungs.blogspot.com
> My Groups:
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[videoblogging] Re: New video bloggers stay away from Wordpress -- recommendation

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SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[jonny goldstein]

The more into vlogging I get, the more convinced I am that this stuff
is so important. I just read Lessig's "Free Culture," JD's "Darknet,"
checked out the EFF site and other resources. 

I understand that the media giants are scared, and I think they should
be. They are basically huge teams of lawyers, accountants, Marketers,
and MBA's who hire temps (directors, actors, writers, etc.) to make
projects. They use the legal system as their point of leverage. but
technology is making that system ineffective. I think I read that at
this point around 60 million people have illegally downloaded music.
That's not a system that's working.

I spend a good bit of my time chasing my students around telling them
not to use copyrighted music w/the videos they post on our website.

What I tell them is that, this is the law now, and if you don't like
it, work to change it. But when they go home to vlog from  there, I'm
sure most will do what they want.

I don't know how we get a more reasonable IP situation going, but I
think panels like this are great. At least we are having a discussion. 

Thanks for putting this up JD. 


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My
> internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The
> station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations.
> Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On
> occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.
> 
> First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.
> 
> The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.
> 
> David
> http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy  wrote:
> >
> > "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording)
> > 
> > 
> > i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared 
> > straight" approach
> > 
> > 
> > it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks 
> > call a threat
> > 
> > mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate
> your 
> > butt
> > 
> > 
> > thanks for the url steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Steve Garfield wrote:
> > 
> > >If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.
> > >
> > >The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday,
March 13
> > >
> > >http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/ 
> > >SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3
> > >or
> > >http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg
> > >
> > >Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music  
> > >industries square off over the new realities of digital
distribution  
> > >over private spaces online.
> > >
> > >Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of
America Inc
> > >Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr
> > >Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP
> > >Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
> > >JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia
> > >Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,  
> > >>because as a community we are still pretty small.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >--Steve
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[David Howell]

If anyone thinks "oh they wont come after me", think again. My
internet radio station had a relatively small listener base. The
station didnt make any money at all. No advertising. No donations.
Nothing. The majority of the music played was indie music. On
occasion, a DJ would mix it up and throw in a more popular tune.

First, the RIAA threatened me. Then, they came after me.

The end result? I dont run an internet radio station anymore.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording)
> 
> 
> i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared 
> straight" approach
> 
> 
> it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks 
> call a threat
> 
> mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate
your 
> butt
> 
> 
> thanks for the url steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Garfield wrote:
> 
> >If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.
> >
> >The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday, March 13
> >
> >http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/ 
> >SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3
> >or
> >http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg
> >
> >Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music  
> >industries square off over the new realities of digital distribution  
> >over private spaces online.
> >
> >Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of America Inc
> >Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr
> >Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP
> >Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
> >JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia
> >Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc
> >
> >
> >On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,  
> >>because as a community we are still pretty small.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--Steve
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
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SXSW Darknets Panel - was Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Markus Sandy]

"wow" is right (the last audible statement in the recording)


i love how MPAA's notion of "education" is taking the old "scared
straight" approach


it appears that their idea of education is more like what most folks
call a threat

mainly they tell stories about the different ways they can litigate
your butt


thanks for the url steve




Steve Garfield wrote:

  If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.

The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday, March 13

http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/ 
SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3
or
http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg

Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music  
industries square off over the new realities of digital distribution  
over private spaces online.

Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of America Inc
Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr
Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP
Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia
Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc


On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote:

  
  
I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,  
because as a community we are still pretty small.

  
  
--Steve
  



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[videoblogging] Re: my Blogger site DOWN

[missbhavens1969]

MINE'S NOT !!! I'm not happy right now. 

Sort of...my site now cannot be viewed in Safari whereas just a couple of days 
ago it could.  
I browse with Safari because that's where all my bookmarks are, but edit and 
post with 
Firefox because of the editing settings. I don't even really check my own site 
unless I post 
so I don't even know if this is related to the Blogger problems of the last few 
days. I'm 
really peeved about the safari thing--and I don't understand it at all. The 
only thing there 
is my blue background. No text. No posts. Nothing. Any ideas?

Help!
Bekah
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Ivanyi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> Yes, I'm back UP.
> I hope everyone with this problem has been solved.
> :-)
> 
> 
> On 3/17/06, Andy Carvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It seems to be working now. I actually got emails from some overseas
> > bloggers worrying that their governments were suddenly filtering the
> > site, as happened a few weeks ago in Pakistan.
> >
> > andy carvin
> > andycarvin at yahoo
> > www.andycarvin.com
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Bryant"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > From http://status.blogger.com (linked from your "down for
> > maintenance" page.
> > >
> > > "Thursday, March 16, 2006
> > >
> > > The filer that we have been having trouble with in the last few days
> > > failed again. Those blogs that are stored on the bad filer are
> > > temporarily not available for publishing and viewing. We are working
> > > on replacing the filer and restoring access to the blogs affected.
> > >
> > > Update (7 am, March 17): we are still in the process migrating data
> > > off of the bad filer. We sincerely apologize for the continuing
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > Posted by Pal at 21:14 PST "
> > >
> > > On 3/17/06, civanyi  wrote:
> > > > My site has been "down for maintenance" for going on to 48 hours now.
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody have this problem?
> > > >
> > > > Or know anything about this?
> > > >
> > > > http://cafesiena.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stephanie Bryant
> > > mortaine@
> > > Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at:
> > > http://www.mortaine.com/blogs
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Steve Garfield]

If you are interested, listen to the panel at SXSWi.

The Future of Darknets: Can Hollywood See the Light? - Monday, March 13

http://server1.sxsw.com/2006/coverage/ 
SXSW06.INT.20060313.FutureOfDarknets.mp3
or
http://tinyurl.com/oqsqg

Darknet pioneers and representatives from the movie and music  
industries square off over the new realities of digital distribution  
over private spaces online.

Kori Bernards, VP Corp Comm, Motion Picture Association of America Inc
Heather Champ Community Mgr, Flickr
Mark Ishikawa, BayTSP
Dave Toole, CEO, Outhink
JD Lasica, Exec Dir, Ourmedia
Ian Clarke, Coord, Freenet Project Inc


On Mar 18, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Paul Knight wrote:

> I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos,  
> because as a community we are still pretty small.

--Steve
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http://Rocketboom.com

My most recent post:

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Paul Knight]

Sage words there,However, Remember the Self Emptying Bin Video that I sent to the BBC for their website, it had 3 snippets of copyrighted music including 'The Great Escape', 'Psycho' and 'Jaws',  The BBC had the choice of whether to publish the silent one which I sent and the one with the music.  If the BBC can't see a problem then why should we?Not to mention that Wake Me Up When September Ends Video from last year with TV news footage and the whole of the track by Green Day, that one got a bit of coverage in the papers as I recall.Maybe British Law is a bit different perhaps?  I doubt whether, the RIAA or MPAA is watching any of our videos, because as a community we are still pretty small.Okay if you want to sell a video or make that world breaking shortfilm that will win a prize at festival or even down the pub if you know the landlord, fair enough, don't use Copyrighted music.  If you are just playing and showing on line as some of us without industry contacts are concerned, I wonder if the law is at all bothered or more bothered about catching real criminals like murderers and sex offenders to sue us playing with our toys, and showing that video to a few and I mean a few people on line.  My most viewed video is my SEX one which has no copyrighted music, loads of free sound effects and three jpeg pictures, this has to date received about 12000 views,  Everything else falls within the 100's,  And considering how many people that is in relation to the whole of the web, well you could probably fit all those people on this full stop.Stop scare-mongering, it creates fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. Paul KnightOn 18 Mar 2006, at 01:52, Enric wrote:  It is not a good recommendation that people use copyrighted material in their videos.  The recommendation won't look good if anyone gets sued by the RIAA or MPAA.    -- Enric  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Sirs and Madams >  > Thanks ever so much for the comments on the "Paul And Paul Get To The   > Bottom Of It All Copyright Issues" Video I posted last night to stop   > people being in the slightest bit worried about putting the odd bit   > of music on a vlog, I have had so many good and welcoming comments   > it's untrue.  As this was the first video to collaborate the talents   > of Paul Reynoldson and Myself together and a mile stone in British   > Vlogging (I don't think two British Vloggers have done this before, I   > could be wrong). >  >   SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

[Joshua Kinberg]

> Okay, but what does appending the file type as a query string help? As far
> as I can tell it only break stuff because people use your pop-up link
> generator which has links like  http://www.michaelverdi.com/popup.php?url=http://michaelverdi.com/video/dresscode.mov
> > that are not media links, but links to HTML pages.

Nope.. this is why I created the popup link generator thingie.

It uses the popup URL for the onclick handler, but the href attribute
is still the direct link to the media file and that direct link is
what gets enclosed in the RSS feed.

But this has little to do with the conversation here...

-Josh


On 3/17/06, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, but what does appending the file type as a query string help? As far
> as I can tell it only break stuff because people use your pop-up link
> generator which has links like  http://www.michaelverdi.com/popup.php?url=http://michaelverdi.com/video/dresscode.mov
> > that are not media links, but links to HTML pages.
>
> Here's the deal:
>
>   - Most people will just have the file name. Normal procedures can be
> followed (first HTTP header, then filename and if content-type is
> text/plain and filename is .mp4 it's probably a misconfigured server and
> MP¤ should be assumed)
>
>   - Some people will use query strings. This is usually serverside script
> pushing out the file. If there is a filename it can't be trusted. The
> content-type HTTP header can be trusted because people who are clever
> enough to pipe videos through a script are clever enough to have the
> script send the correct content-type header.
>
>   - Feedburner already has the file extension correct (.mp4) in their
> enclosures. As long as the URL is seperated into approciate parts before
> parsing this is a non-issue.
>
> So what's the point in adding new arguments to the query string? As far as
> I can tell this thing was proposed because of a faulty script that didn't
> parse URLs for the filename properly. Call me a weirdo, but I prefer
> fixing that one script instead of forcing those of us who want to pipe
> stuff trough scripts to write URLs a certain way.
>
> And I'll shut up now. Promise.
>
> - Andreas
>
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:44:21 +0100, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Here's my take... it would be great if mime-types solved the problem
> > and if the enclosure "type" attribute was always present and always
> > accurate. These things are not true in the wild world of RSS feeds.
> > The best and most consistent indicator of a file type based on what
> > people actually do is the file extension. It certainly would make
> > things easier if the URL contained an extension at the end... even if
> > it doesn't technically require it. Its not very hard to include
> > &type=.mp4 (or similar) at the end of a redirect URL since that URL is
> > completely arbitrary anyway.
> >
> > That said, we're working on a solution to this problem that will be
> > available in the next release of FireAnt for Windows (FireAnt for Mac
> > handles it fine).
> >
> > -Josh
> >
> >
> > On 3/17/06, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:35:35 +0100, Michael Sullivan
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > it's like this tell me if including the media file name, as i
> >> > suggest,
> >> > breaks anything.  tell me if it makes a url worse.  tell me that it
> >> > makes no
> >> > sense to include the file name.  tell me something to convince me that
> >> > this
> >> > suggestion is illogical without telling me 'its not a problem so why
> >> fix
> >> > it'.
> >>
> >> You're coming at this from the wrong angle.
> >>
> >> We have URLs and we have HTTP. Well-defined standards and they have been
> >> in use for almost 10 years. You want to change the way the URL work,
> >> which
> >> breaks backwards compatibility and *I* am supposed to give you more
> >> reasons not to go ahead? No, you should give *me* a good reason why
> >> redefining the meaning of the URL parts is a good idea. Why should we
> >> all
> >> spend time implementing this change when the current system has the same
> >> capabilities?
> >>
> >> Why is this change needed?
> >> How will it break old webpages?
> >> How will differences between the filename part of the URL and the
> >> filename
> >> given in the query string be handled?
> >>
> >> The change you're proposing is not simple at all. I still don't know
> >> *why*
> >> you want this change. Is it because you're having trouble determining
> >> mime
> >> type? In that case use an HTTP library that follows the same standard as
> >> everyone else have been using for the past 10 years - problem solved. No
> >> need for the rest of the world to change. In my last mail I listed the 3
> >> step process required to determine a mime type in today's web - it's
> >> not a
> >> hard thing to do. Or do you have some other reason for proposing the
> >> changes?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
> >> http://www.

[videoblogging] Re: T Y V M

[Paul Reynoldson]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Dear Sirs and Madams
> 
> Thanks ever so much for the comments on the "Paul And Paul Get To The  
> Bottom Of It All Copyright Issues" Video I posted last night to stop  
> people being in the slightest bit worried about putting the odd bit  
> of music on a vlog, I have had so many good and welcoming comments  
> it's untrue.  As this was the first video to collaborate the talents  
> of Paul Reynoldson and Myself together and a mile stone in British  
> Vlogging (I don't think two British Vloggers have done this before, I  
> could be wrong).
> 
> Thanks also to Randy Mann, for doing such a cracking job of remixing  
> it with local talent from his locality, to display to the world that  
> the record companies of the world are not interested in real talent  
> these days, it just has to look good and sound mediocre, leaving the  
> real talent unheard.
> 
> I therefore suggest to everyone they know, to find a street performer  
> or local band willing to get on the net give them the exposure they  
> need.  I have already done one  http://blip.tv/file/get/ 
> Pjkproductions-TwoHeadsPartOne254.mov there should be more out there,  
> just look and ask and get them noticed.
> 
> Thank You Very Much Again,
> 
> Paul Knight
> 
> 
> 
> Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog
> 
> http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com
> http://pjkweddingvideo.blogspot.com
> 
> It's worth a laugh and (mostly) work friendly.
>


Can I also express my thanks to everybody who supported us, i'd like
to thank my agent, the producer, the director, oh the tea lady, the
costume department, this means so much to me (wipes a tear from his
eye) maybe Paul and I will work together again on another project.
All of you beautiful peope out there
WE LOVE YOU ALL.

Paul Reynoldson






 
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Re: [videoblogging] New video bloggers stay away from Wordpress -- recommendation

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what dio you guys use to do this?On 3/17/06, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I think you need to make it clear that you are referring to the 
WordPress free blogging service as opposed to the WordPress software 
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[videoblogging] Wordpress Intergration

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Hello,Recently i have been invited to do a presentation at an eFair (www.efair.ca) about blogging, vlogging, and podcasting.Right now im working on 
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