Re: [videoblogging] Copyright radical

[Brad Webb]

Unless, of course, their use of the video is covered by Fair Use, which 
of course supercedes any additional provisions that CC licenses add.

Michael Verdi wrote:

> I thought that info was pretty interesting - good stuff that has me 
> thinking. So, let's say, Josh, your stuff was just BY-SA. Then those 
> news stations, in order to use your video for free would have had to 
> play it completely unaltered and in it's entirety. Also they would 
> have to give you credit - possibly put up your name and url on screen. 
> If they did anything else like edit part out, put a lower third over 
> it, or added their own voice over narration it would then be a 
> derivative work which would either force them to release their 
> newscast under that same license or contact you to negotiate another 
> license.
> That's not too bad. If they want to use it for free they have to do it 
> on your terms otherwise they'd probably have to license it from you (I 
> can't imagine they'd release the newscast under BY-SA).
>
> H,
> Verdi
>
> On 5/13/06, *Josh Wolf* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> I don't agree with that guy at all... I mean, yeah, it makes sense
> for something like wikipedia. But the fact that my videos are -NC is
> the very thing that protected me when the corporate media began using
> video that I had shot of a protest without my permission to project
> their messaging.
>
> Josh
>
>
> On May 13, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
>
> > Hello Chuck,
> >
> > You may want to check this out also...
> >
> > Creative Commons -NC Licenses Consider Harmful
> > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/9/11/16331/0655
> >
> >
> > See ya
> >
> >
> > On 5/13/06, Chuck Olsen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote: Check
> > out this just-posted interview with Negativland's Mark Hosler:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/fkfrd
> >
> > He says "You don't get total control" when you put a creative work
> > out into the world. If you want total control, keep it in your
> > bedroom.
> >
> > I tend to agree. That's not to say you shouldn't get paid for your
> > creative work. But if you put something out into the public
> > consciousness, you've already surrendered how that work will
> > be perceived, contextualized, and interpreted. Or even
> > mentally remixed, you might say.
> >
> > Our lives are mashups. The whole fucking world is a mashup.
> >
> > For this reason I'm increasingly against the "No Derivatives" clause
> > of Creative Commons licenses. Let me give you an example. I
> > was recently depressed about staying up all night doing web
> > production for my job. A piece of art by Hugh Macleod *almost*
> > represented how I felt. It was a purple scribble that said "We
> > can't go on like this." I made it red and changed it to say
> > "I can't go on like this" and posted it on my blog:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/l6mx9
> >
> > While Hugh kindly says I can do whatever I want with his art for
> > personal use, his CC license says "No derivatives." Those conflict.
> > That license says I can look at his work, and remix it in my head,
> > and create a personalized version of it, but I can't show anybody.
> > I can't recreate or regurgitate my experience of Hugh's art -
> > according to that CC license. Well, I say I can and I do.
> >
> > This is particularly true in the digital age. Hugh is not losing
> > anything
> > (especially monetarily) by my personal remix of his art. You can
> > say the same of using commercial music and images in your
> > videos. If you're not trying to redistribute or profit from
> another's
> > copyrighted work, why NOT include it in your creative palette?
> >
> > The world around us is our creative palette. We have the right
> > to express the world around us, as artists and human beings.
> >
> > (END RANT)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
> >
> > charles @ reptile.ca 
> > supercanadian @ gmail.com 
> >
> > developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/
> >
> __
> > _
> >  Make Television http://
> > maketelevision.com/ 
> >
> > SPONSORED LINKS
> > Fireant Individual Use
> > Explains
> >
> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> >
> >  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.
> >
> >  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> >
> >  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> >
>
>
> 
> "Don't hate the media, be

Re: [videoblogging] Sick of the sexism/looking for a ........

[Brad Webb]

Charles HOPE wrote:

>
>
> Brad Webb wrote:
>
>>Charles HOPE wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Paul Knight wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>>Men are very base creatures at the best of times and there is no way 
>>>>to control them, and every so often men make comments on Breasts etc, 
>>>>you never hear a woman doing a Knob joke, now do you?  That is one of 
>>>>the many reasons why women are better than men, but please, you can't 
>>>>change everyone.
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>We may disagree over sexism but at least we can all agree on the 
>>>universal abomination of men. 
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>Yes, clearly. Overbroad comments and beliefs about women are sexism, but 
>>the same parallel with men is just.. reality. Whether or not you *meant* 
>>that, Charles, that attitude -- which is prevalent during this thread -- 
>>is EXACTLY why I refuse to get into this any further.
>>  
>>
>
> Yes, I meant to highlight that bit of irony. Refusals like yours to 
> speak up about anti-male sexism is exactly why it remains the 
> unchallenged common assumption behind both "sides" of such questions.

That's the kicker, too. The only TRULY sexist part of the whole thread 
until this point was the fact that they were ONLY looking for an 
attractive WOMAN. As a chubby tall man, who loves golf, and can do his 
bit in front of a camera (kinda/sorta) that pissed me off. The "I like 
boobs" bit was tasteless, maybe, but not sexist. My peers, and myself, 
lack tact. That doesn't make us evil.

But instead of trying to start a movement or have a march, I'll simply 
refuse to watch his product, and suggest the same to anyone that asks me 
about it. I think that's fair. I don't need a platform to bitch and 
whine about how my gender/race/weight/etc is being HELD DOWN BY THE MAN. 
I'm just not a good zealot.





  
  
SPONSORED LINKS
  
  
  

Fireant
  
  
Individual
  
  
Use
  
  


Explains
  

   
  







  
  
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



   Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. 
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



  

Re: [videoblogging] Sick of the sexism/looking for a ........

[Brad Webb]

Charles HOPE wrote:

> Paul Knight wrote:
>
>>
>> Men are very base creatures at the best of times and there is no way 
>> to control them, and every so often men make comments on Breasts etc, 
>> you never hear a woman doing a Knob joke, now do you?  That is one of 
>> the many reasons why women are better than men, but please, you can't 
>> change everyone.
>
>
> We may disagree over sexism but at least we can all agree on the 
> universal abomination of men. 

Yes, clearly. Overbroad comments and beliefs about women are sexism, but 
the same parallel with men is just.. reality. Whether or not you *meant* 
that, Charles, that attitude -- which is prevalent during this thread -- 
is EXACTLY why I refuse to get into this any further.

This conversation has officially moved into "stupid" mode. I'm going to 
go put on my tinfoil hat now.





  
  
SPONSORED LINKS
  
  
  

Fireant
  
  
Individual
  
  
Use
  
  


Explains
  

   
  







  
  
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



   Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. 
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



  

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Looking for a video podcast hostess

[Brad Webb]

Monique Danielle wrote:

>"You guys really crack me up - I'm love this thread. It seems to me likes
>it's all in good fun. I didn't think there was any flaming going on."
>
>correction - it seems to me like I need to retake english 101 - ;)
>
>I"m the queen of typos.
>

I'm going to guess that was intentional. If not, I'm queuing up some 
giggles. :)

-- 
Brad Webb, Founder/CTO

vSocial (http://www.vsocial.com)
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(480) 967-9543 - Direct Line
(480) 967-9575 - Fax






  
  
SPONSORED LINKS
  
  
  

Fireant
  
  
Individual
  
  
Use
  
  


Explains
  

   
  







  
  
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



   Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. 
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



  

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Looking for a video podcast hostess

[Brad Webb]

Streaming Beer.. Beercasting if you will.. starting R&D now. C'mere, Mr 
Corona.

Ron Watson wrote:

*snip*

> Now, I'm not sure if it's the beer or the girl, but if I were running 
> a golf show, you can bet I would be looking for an attractive host. I 
> would be racking my brain to figure out how to deliver streaming beer 
> over a T1.

*snip*

-- 
Brad Webb, Founder/CTO

vSocial (http://www.vsocial.com)
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(480) 967-9543 - Direct Line
(480) 967-9575 - Fax






  
  
SPONSORED LINKS
  
  
  

Fireant
  
  
Individual
  
  
Use
  
  


Explains
  

   
  







  
  
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



   Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. 
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



  

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

[Brad Webb]

Thanks, Mike. I'm sure we're all waiting to get this dealt with.

mikehudack wrote:

>Hey guys,
>
>I just got off the phone with Dmitri Shapiro, the CEO of Veoh.  I
>tracked him down (thanks to a few great people) to discuss this
>situation because it seems like much of the video Veoh has been
>collecting comes from blip.tv -- and a lot of our users have asked us
>to do something about it.
>
>Dmitri has just joined the group and will send an e-mail shortly that
>will hopefully start us down the road to resolving this situation.
>
>Yours,
>
>Mike
>Co-founder, blip.tv
>
>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Let me put it this way. Imagine you are starting an online video
>>company (isn't everyone these days?).
>>
>>Is it ok to take all YouTube's feeds, download all the videos in
>>there, transcode them and host them on your own site? No.
>>
>>Is it ok to take all Google video's feeds, download all the videos in
>>there, transcode them and host them on your own site? No.
>>
>>
>>Is it ok to take individual videobloggers' feeds, download all the
>>videos in there, transcode them and host them on your own site? No.
>>Except if their license were to allow that quite explicitly.
>>
>>You'd be crazy to do that.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>On 4/7/06, Peter Van Dijck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 4/7/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>I know many people probably won't like hearing this, but
>>>>
>>>>I don't know if it is possible to have "people" subscribe to
>>>>
>>>>
>your feed and
>  
>
>>>>not have other site's aggregate and redistribute your feed
>>>>
>>>>
>without your
>  
>
>>>>control.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Ahem.
>>>
>>>Charles, you seem to misunderstand the situation here.
>>>
>>>A feed with video enclosures implies this:
>>>- yes, you can download those videos to watch them.
>>>- yes, you can (like Bloglines) aggregate the text, linking back to
>>>the original.
>>>- no, you can NOT download the video, transcode it, and host it on
>>>*your* commercial website.
>>>
>>>I think that's fairly clearcut.
>>>
>>>Peter
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Founder/CTO

vSocial (http://www.vsocial.com)
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(480) 967-9543 - Direct Line
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

[Brad Webb]

There is a huge and distinct line between "My user did X" and "We 
created a systematic way of doing X" -- I can live with the former, but 
I'm EXTRODINARILY unhappy about the latter.

Charles Hope wrote:

>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>The problem with that is that there is NO requirement for
>>
>>
>machines/software
>  
>
>>to understand or obey the license.
>>
>>
>
>
>Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
>
>So OK, it's not the responsibility of the computers themselves, but
>their human operators.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>  
>



 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Spoke with Veoh CEO ** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

[Brad Webb]

How about only including feeds that have CC info that allow them to 
aggregate? Guess what, no CC means it needs to be presumed that it's 
Copyright which means they need permission. I don't understand this 
mentality? Can someone clear out my big-dumb-canadianness so I can get it?

Halcyon Lujah wrote:

> Just talked with Dmitry @ Veoh (he posted his phone here a while back).
>
> He is on the road and apologizes for all the ill-will.
>
> He will chime in when he is back online, but asked me to pass on to 
> those concerend about their feeds on Veoh:
>
> 1) short term, email the name of your feed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  to be removed.
> 2) they are implementing the automated attribution link as we speak. 
> (no need to claim your feed)
> 3) they are working on ways to exclude feeds based on CC info.
>
> But they are totally to feedback and suggestions and changes. 
>
> -Halcyon
> www.spreadingthepink.com 
> www.veoh.com/vlogs/cockyvision 
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   " on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service .
>
>
> 
>



 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Veoh transcoding feeds?

[Brad Webb]

Charles,

I can, personally, completely accept a user not quite understanding the 
intricacies of Copyright, Creative Commons and Netiquette/Ethics. 
However, what I cannot understand or accept is a well-funded (with, 
presuming, a legal team/staff) commercial entity doing the same thing. 
If this was some podunk website that didn't "get" what this was all 
about, then sure, no problem. However, the Veoh folks dipped their toe 
in this community months ago, so they know this place and people exist. 
To then knowingly go back and allow this to happen... I mean.. c'mon. If 
50 rocketboom episodes appeared on vSocial right now, I'd probably be 
emailing and phoning Andrew right now to find out what was going on. 
Same with Verdi. Or any of you folks. I would expect the Blip folks, or 
anyone else who believes in more than just the big buck that's a part of 
this community, would do exactly the same thing. Nevermind if I actually 
wrote a system to scrape them. I'm very personally troubled by this 
whole thing.

BIG FAT DISCLAIMER -- This specific email is my PERSONAL opinion and in 
no way reflects any company stance of anyone I may work for/with/etc.


Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I know many people probably won't like hearing this, but
>
> I don't know if it is possible to have "people" subscribe to your feed 
> and not have other site's aggregate and redistribute your feed without 
> your control.
>
> (And let me point out that I am NOT trying to justify any of this.  
> I'm just trying to explain current attitudes with members of Internet 
> society.)
>
> To many many many people, if you create an RSS or Atom people, then 
> you are implicitly giving people permission to do all sort of things 
> with it.  It's the way things have been for a very very long time.  
> And this "permission" included aggregating and redistributing.  (And I 
> know many people don't like this.  But I'm NOT trying to justify 
> this.  I'm only trying to explain the attitude of current Internet 
> society.)
>
> This is akin to someone creating a website, posting the URL to the 
> website in public places.  And then complaining when people bookmark 
> their site.  Or post their own URLs to the site.
>
> (Again, let me point out that I am NOT trying to justify any of this.  
> I'm just trying to explain current attitudes with Internet society.)
>
> Now granted, they should be "talking about" where the "content" came 
> from.  They can even use standard HTML elements to do this with: 
> , , , and .  (Or they could use other semantic 
> HTML.)
>
>
> See ya
>
> On 4/7/06, *Anne Walk* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi Josh.
>
> While searching for sites for testinggrounds.loadedpun.com
> , I've found tons of vlogs
> listed in a great number of sites. They do, indeed, pick up media
> feeds and list them. Check out Blinkx, for example. I bet you're
> in there.
>
> It's a very strange feeling to go to a community site and find
> your listings. These places usually have a way to get out of the
> listings if you find your stuff, but they have no way to prevent
> you from getting in there in the first place.
>
> On 4/7/06, *Josh Leo* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> I looked at the "watch" tab on veoh and noticed a bunch of
> vlogger's videos (including Bre, Markus, and Rocketboom) on
> the page. Markus didnt know anything about it, and I highly
> doubt Rocketboom submuts their content to Veoh to be
> transcoded into flash and hosted there...
>
> what is the deal? are they scraping feeds then transcoding and
> hosting videos without permission?
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
>
> charles @ reptile.ca 
> supercanadian @ gmail.com 
>
> developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/
> ___
>  Make 
> Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   " on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service .
>
>
> 



 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

[Brad Webb]

Devlon,

The big difference here is.. YouTube didn't directly and specifically 
upload the content -- or create a specific system to scour for and grab 
that content. From what I can tell, Veoh did just that, no? My users 
breaking a license and me knowingly doing the same thing... big 
difference, and not in a positive way.

Devlon wrote:

>On 4/7/06, Peter Van Dijck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>> On 4/7/06, Stephanie Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Eh. It seems to me that an "infringe first, remove later" policy isn't
>> > really a good one.
>>
>> +1. Especially if infringing was so unnecessary.
>>
>> I am actually talking to my laywer about this.
>>
>>
>
>Good, like I said, someone needs their hands slapped very publicly to
>send a message.
>NBC gets all over YouTube for the same thing.  We have the same rights.
>
>  
>
>> Peter
>> --
>> http://mefeedia.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>>
>>
>> Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>~Devlon
>http://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com
>http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Founder/CTO

vSocial (http://www.vsocial.com)
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(480) 967-9543 - Direct Line
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

[Brad Webb]

Even an opt-in system has no real checks and balances for ensuring the 
owner of the feed is signing it up... this is why I never implemented 
this functionality. It just seemed like a bad idea waiting to happen.

Michael Verdi wrote:

> Benefits of the system (hosting, rss, flash, etc) aside, this is the 
> part that is total crap. It should be an opt-in system not an opt-out. 
> That's inexcusable.
> -Verdi
>
> On 4/7/06, * Halcyon Lujah* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
>
>
> **BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE EXCLUDED from their search and system, just
> send them an email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.   They
> are aware that not everyone
> wants to be included and will remove you immediately.
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Fireant&w2=Individual&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=hfs_5_0lBhh4r_ghxepr0w>
>  
>   Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Fireant&w2=Individual&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=GUaJZU-r1JDlLAUOsMLl8g>
>  
>   Use 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Fireant&w2=Individual&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=LXDZ5r7JrGSXuirwFdbEXw>
>  
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Founder/CTO

vSocial (http://www.vsocial.com)
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(480) 967-9543 - Direct Line
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] http://youare.tv/

[Brad Webb]

Well, like I said, we don't have it. The thing that would bother me, 
personally, is the fact that should I decide, later, that I don't like 
something I produced, or don't want it distributed any more, I gave them 
the right to keep that content and publish it. Transferable + revokable 
= fine. What if they sold to, say, a porn company, would you want your 
video blogs mashed up with some porn to push them as an "edgy media 
provider"??? =) Under the terms, that'd be totally legit, and you 
couldn't stop them from doing it from the point of upload.

Also, "forced mashupability" isn't something I'm personally down with, 
either. People wanna do it, that's *their choice* -- not mine, for them.

Strictly speaking, this is from me, Brad, the video blogger (ugh I so 
need to edit and upload like 15 things) -- vs me, Brad, vSocial Guy. I 
don't see the benefit to the lock-in that would exist from a T&C like 
this -- and the standard response from other services who have done one 
of these is "oh, well duh, we never meant it that way".. who doesn't let 
a geek go through a T&C before publishing on the network? =)

robert a/k/a r wrote:

> i'm wondering if that's not standard language for such hosting sites. 
> i'll bet if you look at the others you'll find their lawyers included 
> the same language. i see it elsewhere.
>
> what harm would such language cause the user of such a hosting service?
>
> btw, IANAL but wouldn't those bits in your agreement to enable you to 
> sell your site or merge it into a new entity without breaching you 
> agreement with your users?
>
>
> -- 
> cheers
> r
>
> Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively
>
> My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com
> A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Brad Webb wrote:
>
> The "irrevocable, transferable" bits jumped out at me.. maybe that's
> just because we don't have those, tho =)
>
>
> robert a/k/a r wrote:
>
> the terms look generic, not unlike the other hosting services.
> anything jump out at you?
>
> am noticing content that i don't see elsewhere, appealing
> content, to
> me anyway.
>
>
> -- 
> cheers
> r
>
> Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively
>
> My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com
> A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
>
> YAVS!
> Yet Another Video Service!
>
> had'nt heard of it, no.
> read this? http://www.youare.tv/terms.php
>
>
> On 1/13/06, *robert a/k/a r* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> <http://youare.tv/?
>
> -- 
> cheers
> r
>
> Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively
>
> My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com
> A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> sull
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and
> revelation from which new form is born"
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory
> http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere
> Aggregator
> http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual
> Fireant
> Use
> Explains
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> ▪ Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.
>
> ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology
>
> http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
> vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
> 51 W. Third Street, #301
> Tempe, AZ 85281
> (480) 967-9575 - Fax
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] http://youare.tv/

[Brad Webb]

The "irrevocable, transferable" bits jumped out at me.. maybe that's 
just because we don't have those, tho =)


robert a/k/a r wrote:

> the terms look generic, not unlike the other hosting services. 
> anything jump out at you?
>
> am noticing content that i don't see elsewhere, appealing content, to 
> me anyway.
>
>
> -- 
> cheers
> r
>
> Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively
>
> My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com
> A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
>
> YAVS!
> Yet Another Video Service!
>
> had'nt heard of it, no. 
> read this? http://www.youare.tv/terms.php
>
>
> On 1/13/06, *robert a/k/a r* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <http://youare.tv/?
>
> -- 
> cheers
> r
>
> Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively
>
> My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com
> A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> sull
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and
> revelation from which new form is born"
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory
> http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere
> Aggregator
> http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual
> Fireant
> Use
> Explains
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> ▪  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.
>  
> ▪  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
> ▪  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Brad Webb]

Obviously I'm out of town when this thread hits...

Yes, I entirely agree with where this ended up. Flash is not an 
end-all-be-all -- there is *no* end-all-be-all.

And I agree, innovation in this area is not done, it's barely started. 
Needless to say, we've got cool stuff on the go. =) The mantra we keep 
slamming -- "*do* something with video" -- is more than a hypeline, I 
live/breathe/sleep that every day (more than I care to actually admit); 
that being said, not every method is for everyone. Lots of folks are 
format zealots, and I totally appreciate that. This is why I usually do 
my talkbacks on most threads directly to folks.. I don't want to feel 
like I'm cramming some company line (format, the "right way" etc) down 
anyone's throat. Folks SHOULD and ARE trying different methods, 
services, formats, etc out, and I am totally supportive of other folks 
in the space who provide different, meaningful and valuable tools to the 
community... as I've said a few times, I personally (heart) blip, 
vlogdir, fireant, mefeedia and ourmedia/IA, and would love to work more 
with these folks.

Mike Lanza wrote:

>For those who don't have the time or inclination to dive into ActionScript, 
>the value of 
>Flash video is represented by the sites that use it.  As I've said before, 
>there is a growing 
>number of sites using it, but these sites have only shown the tip of the 
>iceberg of what can 
>be done with ActionScript and Flash video.  Off the top of my head, the only 
>one that has 
>done anything interesting at all is vSocial, and that's not an awful lot.
>
>So, for now, Flash video seems like it's gaining market share without 
>delivering any 
>benefits over what it's replacing.
>
>Stay tuned.  There's sooo much that Flash can do for video that hasn't been 
>shown yet.  
>Specifically, I'm talking about rich interactive applications where "using" 
>video isn't a 
>simple matter of pressing play and kicking back.
>
>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I agree with this.
>>In fact I've posted a very elegant WordPress FLV plugin here several times.
>>I think that is a great option for videobloggers. But Flash is not the be
>>all and end all. Other format options for download/syndication are very
>>important.
>>
>>-Josh
>>
>>
>>On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>but you can transcode other formats to flv.
>>>and you can use a flash wrapper/player which can provide some
>>>interactivity being discussed here.  these are free or cheap. just need a
>>>server to upload it to so it can be used on the web.  you dont have to buy
>>>or use expensive Flash MX 2004 Professional.
>>>
>>>the important point, to reiterate here is NOT to ONLY use flash. But
>>>DONT avoid it when you can feasibly incorporate it into your projects.  DO
>>>provide mp4 etc...
>>>
>>>balance experiment dont be fooled by partial truths which can end
>>>up limiting your creativity and use of available technologies.
>>>
>>>sull
>>>
>>>On 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Flash is used by service providers... "upload your video here" types
of services.
This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own video
on the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too
expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not a
cheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understanding
the intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback and
syndication is not easy.

I think Flash is great on the web. But it is not yet easy enough for
an individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relying
on a third party service.


-Josh



Yahoo! Groups Links









>>>--
>>>sull
>>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and
>>>revelation from which new form is born"
>>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory
>>>http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator
>>>
>>>http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog
>>>
>>> SPONSORED LINKS
>>>  Individual>>  
>>>
>t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&w4=Explains&c=4&s=52&.sig=
>_ypWGVVDWUSpuxYaJQCHhA>
>  
>
>>>Fireant>>  
>>>
>t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&w4=Explains&c=4&s=52&.sig=ZN
>1ChvogeamDt5UU6pqRYQ>
>  
>
>>>Use>>  
>>>
>t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&w4=Explains&c=4&s=52&.sig=JJpiF0
>el7XIZm7_UQJThew>
>  
>
>>>Explains>>  
>>>
>t=ms&k=Explains&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&w4=Explains&c=4&s=52&.sig=U
>JhUAw_ybLAhU1Y

Re: [videoblogging] CES Main Floor ...

[Brad Webb]

Allen Weiner is there.. he's been posting some CES updates on vSocial.. 
his blog is at http://whatsontonight.blogware.com/

David Meade wrote:

>Hi all, I just talked to my brother (and fellow vlogger) Doug (of
>DougMeade.com) ...
>
>He's on the main floor of CES today until noon vegas time (but doesnt
>have email access I guess).
>
>He said he's keepin his eye out for vloggers but hasnt seen any so
>far.  Anyway, if anyone wants to meet a random vlogger Doug is at the
>Thomson RCA booth near the bookshelf audio systems :-)
>
>- Dave
>
>--
>http://www.DavidMeade.com
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Google Video Revisited

[Brad Webb]

Wow, thanks to all you guys for the feedback. Yeah, obviously, this was 
our goal with the meta layer. If transcoding into flash, why not make 
the metadata at least stick with the video (we're working on upping the 
ante on that...) -- this goes along with our Video Roll feature, which 
Sull thinks is the cat's ass -- 
http://dskwared.blogspot.com/2005/12/video-blogs.html -- which we're 
adding more meta-goodness into, too. The question was also asked, so 
here's the answer: 100MB per file, no limit on how many files. As a 
toss-in since I'm already writing this email, we auto transcode to 
iPod-happy MP4 and syndicate in iTunes-friendly RSS, as well. We're also 
working on world peace. That may take some time. ;)

Enric wrote:

>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I posted a video that hotlinks into my site that is a complete package:
>>http://blogs.opml.org/andrewBaron/
>>
>>Don't know if this will translate onto the message board, but all you  
>>do is enter this code anywhere, and the video appears with all its  
>>comments, tags, etc. as part of the work:
>>
>>
>>
>>Pretty clever.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Very nice.  Good example of wrapping into one package all of the
>capabilities of blogging around a video.
>
>   ;),
>
>   Enric
>
>  
>
>>
>>
>>


-- 
Brad Webb, Hacker-in-Charge, vSocial

51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] making directories

[Brad Webb]

To qualify as having a "show" title, being in a "container" -- sure. I 
mean, the reality is, it's all semantics, and effectively irrelevant -- 
imo, the label we put on any of this is made totally obsolete by the 
content and conversations going on behind them.

andrew michael baron wrote:

>So the difference is just that the Real World is more complex?
>
>On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Brad Webb wrote:
>
>  
>
>>andrew michael baron wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Brad Webb wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>>Let's extend the "show" analogy a bit...
>>>>
>>>>To me, most videoblogs are *segments*. Only when you have multiple
>>>>segments, does it become a *show*. I view *show* in this context as
>>>>much
>>>>more of a "container" than simply anything.
>>>>
>>>>That's just my opinion on it, and my knee-jerk, though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Real World has multiple segments, though, achieved thru editing,  
>>etc. It
>>contains, GENERALLY speaking, mutliple "plot" points, situations,
>>individuals, and focuses (focusii?) Most videoblogs are "okay,  
>>here's my
>>thing, I'll edit out any screwups" -- a segment. For the record  
>>that is
>>in no way a slight against that, I certainly know 90% of what I  
>>produce
>>as far as personal stuff is just a segment-per-post.
>>
>>
>>
>>>What about a "reality show" like MTV Realworld.
>>>
>>>What if the Magical Mystery Tour was blogged?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>-- 
>>Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology
>>
>>http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
>>vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
>>51 W. Third Street, #301
>>Tempe, AZ 85281
>>(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
>>(480) 967-9575 - Fax
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor  
>>~-->
>>Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the  
>>Sweet Life.
>>http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
>> 
>>~->
>>
>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] making directories

[Brad Webb]

andrew michael baron wrote:

>On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Brad Webb wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Let's extend the "show" analogy a bit...
>>
>>To me, most videoblogs are *segments*. Only when you have multiple
>>segments, does it become a *show*. I view *show* in this context as  
>>much
>>more of a "container" than simply anything.
>>
>>That's just my opinion on it, and my knee-jerk, though.
>>
>>
>
>  
>
Real World has multiple segments, though, achieved thru editing, etc. It 
contains, GENERALLY speaking, mutliple "plot" points, situations, 
individuals, and focuses (focusii?) Most videoblogs are "okay, here's my 
thing, I'll edit out any screwups" -- a segment. For the record that is 
in no way a slight against that, I certainly know 90% of what I produce 
as far as personal stuff is just a segment-per-post.

>What about a "reality show" like MTV Realworld.
>
>What if the Magical Mystery Tour was blogged?
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] making directories

[Brad Webb]

Let's extend the "show" analogy a bit...

To me, most videoblogs are *segments*. Only when you have multiple 
segments, does it become a *show*. I view *show* in this context as much 
more of a "container" than simply anything.

That's just my opinion on it, and my knee-jerk, though.

andrew michael baron wrote:

> I just dont see why it would be difficult to use the word "show" in 
> context of a videoblog. What are your thoughts on this?
>
> On Dec 5, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
>
>> but what part of what i said do you disagree with, specifically?
>> thanks.
>>
>> On 12/5/05, *andrew michael baron* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> >  if its within a videoblog form the word 'show' would be hard
>> > to use.  they would just be videos.
>> >
>>
>> I disagree. And so, what you are getting at here is the word "blog".
>> It is important. As you all know, I have always looked to the
>> history
>> of "the blog" when discussing "format" for videoblogs. How can you
>> not when using that word?
>>
>> Its not "personal vs. show" that distinguishes the qualities that so
>> many outspoken people here on this list focus on in order to
>> separate
>> all of us into two camps where one does not get to use the word
>> "videoblog' because its show. We can also leave "podcasting" out of
>> it; Podcasting is a matter of fact: it is or it isn't because its
>> based on technology (rss enclosure), not format.
>>
>> Videoblogging is more lose in definition because it is defined by
>> many factors, some technologically based, and others "format based".
>>
>> When a word is in flux based on "format", then what you have is a
>> bunch of linguistic, metaphysical referents that do not have clear
>> borders. Like the word 'love' can not be defined.
>>
>> Yet, in doing our best to not speak in universals when discussing
>> these things, we can notice patterns and attitudes, whether they are
>> informed or not.
>>
>> With blogging, you have personal diaries, and you have show, but
>> there is so much more that it's silly to just focus on these two. Its
>> shortsighted because what we see now is only just the obvious. The
>> real beauty has yet to show itself, as more and more people begin to
>> consider these same questions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> sull
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and 
>> revelation from which new form is born"
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory
>> http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere 
>> Aggregator
>> http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog
>> 
>> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>>
>> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>>
>> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ>
>  
>   Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA>
>  
>   Typepad 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Typepad&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&am

Re: [videoblogging] Yahoo! Video Search for vlog

[Brad Webb]

Actually, all of their video search is (supposedly) powered/driven by 
Media RSS. I.e. no media-rss extension, no inclusion in their search. 
That's my understanding, at least (I was part of the group that defined 
it..)

robert a/k/a r wrote:

> I think they scrape a site called vlogdigest (or something like that:)
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:
>
> I wonder if you know how these search engines work? 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

[Brad Webb]

For me it's the thin edge of the wedge, and I think folks are focusing 
more on "oh no! it's porn!" -- where's the line drawn? How long until 
there's spvlogs, etc. Having a system in place to filter down -- not out 
-- things that negatively impact the community and tools aren't a bad 
thing, imho.

Michael Sullivan wrote:

> the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!!
> of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon...
> but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that 
> their are always exceptions.
> no solution will ever be perfect. 
>
>
> On 12/2/05, *Enric* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com>, Pete Prodoehl
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Jay dedman wrote:
> > >>   Maybe the opposite approach would be logical?
> > >>Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kid
> friendly" stuff.
> > >>And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adult
> content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here"
> > >>You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video
> content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators
> to decide how best to approach that.
> > >>My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites
> owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on
> the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then
> this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues
> maybe ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > great idea. very proactive.
> > > eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for
> eric's kids.
> > > http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov
> > > but i think the feed died out.
> > > see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.
> > > itll come as content grows.
> > >
> > > im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.
> > > everything will exist. we can simply chose where.
> >
> > Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com
> <http://yahooligans.yahoo.com>, what about
> > kids.mefeedia.com <http://kids.mefeedia.com>? :)
> >
> > It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging
> directory
> > and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff
> > comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know,
> before
> the
> > reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just
> another cog
> > in the corporate machine that is today's society.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > --
> > http://tinkernet.org/
> > videoblog for the future...
> >
>
> I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for children
> but those adults thought were important.  I think I kids section will
> interest parents mostly.
>
>   -- Enric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> sull
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and 
> revelation from which new form is born"
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory
> http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere 
> Aggregator
> http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ>
>  
>   Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA>
>  
>   Typepad 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Typepad&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ>
>  
>
> Use 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA>
>  
>
>
>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: WARNING: Firefox 1.5 does not to scroll QT

[Brad Webb]

are we forming voltron (or would that be vlogtron..)??! I didn't get the 
memo :/

I've had perpetual issues with any vid + firefox when scrolling for 
awhile.. window blacks out, etc etc. I've kinda learned to not touch my 
browser when viewing :)

Michael Sullivan wrote:

> this sucks!!
>
> vloggers unite!
>
> On 12/1/05, *Michael Meiser* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> I'll confirm that on a mac. I get the exact same problem. Running the
> latest 10.4, the latest QT and the latest Firefox 1.5.
>
> -Mike
>
> On Dec 1, 2005, at 5:15 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:
>
> Both Josh and Andrew have confirmed the same bug.  I just downloaded
> FF1.5 on my WinXP box and it does not have the same problem.
>
> Looks like it is only Mac.  I'm running Quicktime 7.0.3.
>
> I've never submitted anything to Bugzilla, but this is an unacceptable
> issue.  It marks the first time I've ever experienced a negative
> feeling toward Firefox.
>
> To make things worse, I highly doubt they'd come out with an update to
> fix a QT issue on the Mac.
>
> -Matt
> ---
> http://ridertech.com
> http://leanbackvids.com
> http://vlogmap.org
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com>, Lucas Gonze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/1/05, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> yup, I just experienced this on this web site:
> >> http://www.bravia-advert.com/commercial/braviaextcommhigh.html
> >
> >
> >
> > That page works for me with FF 1.5 and QT 7.3.
> >
> > Are you using the same version of Quicktime?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> sull
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and 
> revelation from which new form is born"
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory
> http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere 
> Aggregator
> http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: VlogSafe Music

[Brad Webb]

I've found Magnatune to be really useful, they have some solid classical 
pieces, as well as some rock/alt/etc that works in really well, and they 
have a vlog/podcast attribution-only "license." They're usually my 1st 
stop when I'm sitting down to edit.

Eric Rice wrote:

>Opsound.org is one of my favorite sources. Much of it also can be used for 
>commercial 
>purposes, too. And of course, lots of helpful people at musicpodcasting.org
>
>Also, I operate that podsafe = vlogsafe, with the caveat that taking music and 
>putting it to 
>video falls under the category of 'derivitive work'... 
>
>So Vlogsafe/Podsafe/Blogsafe (smirk) = something lacking the no-deriv Creative 
>Commons 
>tag for starters.
>
>ER
>

-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: vlog web 2.0 style - fluxiom

[Brad Webb]

The "for your enterprise" indicates to me, at least, that we're not 
really talking vlogginess. It's definately on my watchlist, tho.

Michael Sullivan wrote:

> teaser...
> but it looks impressive.
> dont know how bloggy it will be, but it mentions the ability to tag 
> and share media assets as well as generated rss feeds for each tag... 
> wonder if it supports enclosures etc..
> we'll see.
>
> sull
>
> On 11/28/05, *Enric* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com>, Michael Sullivan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.fluxiom.com/
> >
> > wow.  look out!
>
> Nice, dramatic video, but not much data (unless it's elsewhere.)
>
>   -- Enric
>   http://www.cirne.com
>   Determine the Media
>
> >
> > --
> > sull
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and
> revelation
> > from which new form is born"
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory
> > http://videobloggers.org <http://videobloggers.org> - Free
> Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere
> Aggregator
> > http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> sull
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and 
> revelation from which new form is born"
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory
> http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere 
> Aggregator
> http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ>
>  
>   Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA>
>  
>   Typepad 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Typepad&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ>
>  
>
> Use 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA>
>  
>
>
>
> ----
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] XP2 Firewire-Video Help Needed

[Brad Webb]

Just a quick thought, have you done "remove hardware" on the SB card, to 
force a reinstall?

Other than that, I'd be just as stumped as you are. The XP2 machine next 
to me pulls from my Panasonic GS150 like a pro.

Gena wrote:

>I'm about to shoot this $#%#^! thing!. I have been fight Windows XP
>since 6am. I bought a Panasonic GV19 camcorder. I have a SB Audigy
>sound card that has a firewire port. I know it worked because I used
>it with a firewire drive. So here is the problem.
>
>I hooked up my camcorder and nothing, zip, zilch and bupkis. Nothing
>in the listed drives, no tone, no balloon, nothing. I check the device
>driver, it says the card is okay, functioning normally.
>
>I bought a new Belkin cable. $27 Nothing. 
>I hooked up the firewire drive with the original cable. I can see the
>light on the FW Hard drive but XP don't see blip. I know this drive
>works. However, I haven't used it since I upgraded to XP2. 
>
>I open up the computer make sure that the card is secure. It is. 
>I go to Panasonic, they say I don't need a driver, XP should see it as
>soon as I plug it in.
>
>I go to M$ - Windows XP2 has issues with firewire cards. "Performance
>of 1394 devices may decrease after you install Windows XP2" Nobody
>fucking told me (or anybody else about it) I download the patch. Shut
>the computer on and off. Nothing.
>
>I swing over to Google Groups and find the MVP guru who does have
>helpful info on his site http://www.myvideoproblems.com I try
>everything that I can.  Still no go.
>
>I don't have the cash to spring for a new 1394 card until the end of
>next week. Is there anything else I can do to fix this M$ caused
>defect. Because if I buy the card and it still doesn't work I will be
>quarter past enraged. Is there a specific card I should get/not get?
>
>P.S. If I could I would swing over to Mac in a heartbeat but I don't
>have that kind of money. I have to deal with what I have.
>
>Thanks,
>Gena  http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spirit can not be spoken for

[Brad Webb]

 again personal vlog
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw>
>  
>   Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw>
>  
>   Use 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA>
>  
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for

[Brad Webb]

Nevermind the fact that this is an easy path to an exclusionary "clique" 
of "accepted goodness." Plus, the secondary part of Randy's point -- 
that having an open, "accepted" directory would prevent other "closed" 
ones -- just won't happen. If anything, I think the folks working 
towards building/tweaking directories should put their heads together to 
open up ratings, comments, tags, feeds, etc etc.

*Nudge nudge* =)


andrew michael baron wrote:

>
> On Nov 25, 2005, at 9:03 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:
>
>
>> That is why we as a community should work to set up an "open 
>> directory" that will become the accepted norm.  
>
>
> There should not be just one. In the long run there never will be.
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ>
>  
>   Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA>
>  
>   Typepad 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Typepad&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ>
>  
>
> Use 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA>
>  
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] help

[Brad Webb]

Steve Garfield wrote:

>FYI from vSocial's site:
>
>"By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you hereby 
>grant to vSocial the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to 
>use, publicly perform and display such Content on the Website."
>  
>
Also from vSocial's site:

"This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from 
the Website. "... (http://www.vsocial.com/terms.php)

It says "you let us display your work on the site" -- and is revokable, 
by the user, at any time -- where's the issue with that? Did I miss 
something, or should hosting services not have the right to display the 
works they host -- especially for free -- am I unaware of the catch here?

>On Nov 23, 2005, at 12:59 AM, Brad Webb wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Well, since I recognized the original poster as a recent signup for
>>vSocial, I figure I should jump in. We're supporting 90% of videos that
>>are being uploaded
>>
>>
>
>--Steve
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] help

[Brad Webb]

Well, since I recognized the original poster as a recent signup for 
vSocial, I figure I should jump in. We're supporting 90% of videos that 
are being uploaded (some people are still trying to upload SWF and just 
raw html.. I guess we're supposed to extract the embed tags?), the only 
format we're still having issues with is RM. We've also just -- and have 
yet to announce/change site text -- upped the per-file limit to 100MB, 
and we don't cap the number of files. Also we transcode to an 
easily-embeddable flash format with neat player (that brings comments, 
tags and sharing functions with it), transcode for video iPod (I have a 
videoblog tutorial on this in the can, need to edit) AND keep/syndicate 
the original upload, for things like mefeedia and FireANT (direct, 
onsite links for the original file and iPod/PSP compatible MP4 going up 
tommorow...). We also have all kinds of really cool, unique tools that 
let you *do* things with the videos uploaded (although, this 
functionality is going to be extended further to other providers in the 
-- this -- community, more news on that soon) Sooo.. I'd, personally, 
put us on that list, as well.

Joan Khoo wrote:

> I will testify that since I've signed on to blip.tv <http://blip.tv>, 
> I had no problems with uploading. Definatey go with them.
> Joan
>
> On 11/23/05, *Jay dedman* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> > I'm having trouble finding a reliable, free video host. I've
> tried everything and nothing seems
> > to actually work. My videos are usually around 10mb so it cant
> have to small a limit. Of
> > course I've used ourmedia.org <http://ourmedia.org> but lately
> it seems not to work at all. Very discouraging. Please
> > help!
>
> ourmedia is the front end for the Internet Archive.
> the great thing is that thney will store your videos "forever".
> they become a part of the public space.
> the bad thing is that, as you say, its not really meant as a
> relaible server.
>
> Blip.tv <http://Blip.tv> is a great free hosting service.
> they are run by good guys..who are part of this community.
> they may charge in the future..but everthign you upload now will be
> served for free..and you will be warned when they start charging for
> future uploads.
>
> jay
>
>
>
> --
> Adventures in Videoblogging
> http://www.momentshowing.net>
> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing>
>
>
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ>
>  
>   Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA>
>  
>   Typepad 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Typepad&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ>
>  
>
> Use 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA>
>  
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: mainstream music in videos

[Brad Webb]

The secondary part, not sure about.. the non-profit side of things. 
However, the payment to the writer -- the only thing required to 
distribute a cover -- is correct. Obviously, a deal/agreement has to be 
made with any performer.

Ronen wrote:

> Am I incorrect that a 'cover' version of a song requires that a deal 
> must be arranged with the performer, but that a fixed percentage 
> exists to be paid to the writer?  And that if we're dealing with 
> non-profit distribution, the only issue is arranging a deal with the 
> performer who performed the cover?
>
> On 11/21/05, *Pete Prodoehl* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Steve Garfield wrote:
>> Over on the podcasting side of things Adam Curry has completley
> stopped
>> using any music that he doesn't have the rights to and has
> removed old
>> podcasts with copyrighted music from his archives.
>>
>> http://music.podshow.com is one of the places I get music from.
>
> And I mentioned Magnatune last week as well:
>
>   http://rasterweb.net/raster/2005/11/16/magnatune-and-videoblogs/
>
> Pete
>
> -- 
> http://tinkernet.org/
> videoblog for the future...
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual
> 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ>
>   Fireant
> 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA>
>   Typepad
> 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Typepad&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ>
>
> Use
> 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA>
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ>
>  
>   Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA>
>  
>   Typepad 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Typepad&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ>
>  
>
> Use 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA>
>  
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Output from Sony HDR-HC1

[Brad Webb]

This is from my (foggy) memory, but isn't it their "HDV" format, or is 
that simply hypespeak for mpeg2?

Allen_Weiner wrote:

>For any of those who have used the new Sony Hi-Def camera, HDR-HC1, 
>what is the format output from the camera. It's not clear on the site, 
>but is it straight MPEG-2 or some other format.
>
>Allen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] mainstream music in videos

[Brad Webb]

If they're doing them live, at a venue, the venue will have a mechanical 
license (well, supposed to, obviously)


Markus Sandy wrote:

> ah, you are assuming "cover" implies "licensed and royalties paid"
> that is *not* common usage for most people out side of the music 
> industry perhaps
> certainly, lots of local bands claim to do "cover" songs, but they 
> haven't cleared it or paid for it
> check a dictionary - most don't mention the payment part
>
>
> Brad Webb wrote:
>
>>Actually, no, you just have to pay royalties. Copyright specifically 
>>allows for cover usage and spells out it's royalty structure.
>>
>>Markus Sandy wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>that's still a copyright violation (i.e., "happy birthday to you ...")
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ronen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>If you 'cover' a song, then you can use the cover version -- which 
>>>>opens up a world of possibilites.  (I'm noticing the rocketboom 
>>>>version seems a cover)
>>>>
>>>>On 11/21/05, *Ronen* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Andrew Barron (and the blue ball people) used Danny Elfman music
>>>>in friday's rocketboom, to great effect.
>>>>
>>>>The real question, I think, is whether when doing such things it
>>>>makes more sense to link to the source music (which I've been
>>>>doing) or leave it unlinked, (presumably the hopes that then no
>>>>one will notice).  I seriousely don't know which is more
>>>>effective.  Any ideas/thoughts on the subject?
>>>>
>>>>Ronen
>>>>cinemalog.net <http://cinemalog.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 11/21/05, *Khoo, Joan* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Guys,
>>>>
>>>>I was hoping you could help me conclusively answer if it is
>>>>legal to use
>>>>mainstream music in videos.
>>>>
>>>>And if it depends on the artist/producers/company then how do we
>>>>identify the companies that allow us to use their music in
>>>>their videos?
>>>>
>>>>Joan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>-- 
>>>
>>>My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us
>>>
>>>http://apperceptions.org
>>>http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com
>>>http://spinflow.org
>>>http://wearethemedia.com
>>>http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/
>>>
>>>aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>skype: msandy
>>>spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>SPONSORED LINKS
>>>Individual 
>>><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ>
>>> 
>>> Fireant 
>>><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA>
>>> 
>>> Typepad 
>>><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Typepad&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ>
>>> 
>>>
>>>Use 
>>><http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>>>
>>>*  Visit your group "videoblogging
>>>  <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>>>   
>>>*  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>   
>>>*  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>>>  Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>>>
>&g

Re: [videoblogging] mainstream music in videos

[Brad Webb]

Actually, no, you just have to pay royalties. Copyright specifically 
allows for cover usage and spells out it's royalty structure.

Markus Sandy wrote:

> that's still a copyright violation (i.e., "happy birthday to you ...")
>
>
>
> Ronen wrote:
>
>> If you 'cover' a song, then you can use the cover version -- which 
>> opens up a world of possibilites.  (I'm noticing the rocketboom 
>> version seems a cover)
>>
>> On 11/21/05, *Ronen* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>> Andrew Barron (and the blue ball people) used Danny Elfman music
>> in friday's rocketboom, to great effect.
>>
>> The real question, I think, is whether when doing such things it
>> makes more sense to link to the source music (which I've been
>> doing) or leave it unlinked, (presumably the hopes that then no
>> one will notice).  I seriousely don't know which is more
>> effective.  Any ideas/thoughts on the subject?
>>
>> Ronen
>> cinemalog.net <http://cinemalog.net>
>>
>>
>> On 11/21/05, *Khoo, Joan* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I was hoping you could help me conclusively answer if it is
>> legal to use
>> mainstream music in videos.
>>
>> And if it depends on the artist/producers/company then how do we
>> identify the companies that allow us to use their music in
>> their videos?
>>
>> Joan
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>
>-- 
>
>My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us
>
>http://apperceptions.org
>http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com
>http://spinflow.org
>http://wearethemedia.com
>http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/
>
>aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>skype: msandy
>spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ>
>  
>   Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA>
>  
>   Typepad 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Typepad&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ>
>  
>
> Use 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Typepad&w4=Use&c=4&s=51&.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA>
>  
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: mov in to wmv

[Brad Webb]

This is also why we chose the development path for vSocial that we did. 
I personally can't wait until Flash 8 is a bit more ubiquitous, because 
the On2 codec (as HORRIBLY slow as it is to encode) is a huge 
improvement over the existing codec. This is also why we keep the 
original format for feeds as well as offer a transcoded M4V (which I 
just confirmed works as intended.. posting later about it) feed for 
iTunes. Too many codecs for "average" folks to have to handle. Heck, I 
barely like having to keep up with all of them. :)

Bill Streeter wrote:

>This is exactly why I've taken to posting Flash video for viewing on
>my blog and Quicktime for the feed subscribers. Seems to have solved
>the problem. Flash video, with all it's short comings, is a pretty
>universal format. 
>
>Bill Streeter
>LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
>www.lofistl.com
>
>
>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Juan Falla & Ximena Muñoz
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Share" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>how important does everyone think it is to offer up both formats?
>>>mov's and wmv's. i'm considering getting some of the software to
>>>convert the mov's into wmv's so windows users don't get slowed
>>>  
>>>
>down
>  
>
>>>any thoughts?
>>>
>>>thanks!
>>>share
>>>www.rocknrolltv.net
>>>  
>>>
>>I work in Macs so I used to post my videos ONLY in .mov
>>But, now I post both in .mov and .wmv
>>
>>It just happens that in Colombia were our families are, the
>>
>>
>computers don't have quicktime 
>  
>
>>installed. (My brother who is a computer geek obviously has
>>
>>
>quicktime, but a normal 
>  
>
>>person who just buys a PC and never installs anything, he doesn't
>>
>>
>have it). So, for example 
>  
>
>>my wife's mother: she doesn't have a computer at home, so she has to
>>
>>
>go to an Internet 
>  
>
>>Cafe to see the videos. I was on the phone telling her how to get to
>>
>>
>my vlog and see the 
>  
>
>>videos, and she couldn't see them! The computer doesn't have
>>
>>
>quicktime installed, I even 
>  
>
>>spoke with the person in charge of that place and told him to
>>
>>
>install it, but he told me that 
>  
>
>>he wasn't allowed to isntall any softwares... Huh???
>>
>>Anyway, I finally had to start posting the videos in windows media,
>>
>>
>this way she can see 
>  
>
>>them with out problems.
>>
>>So it all depends in what people are going to see your videos.
>>
>>
>Obviously if you post in 
>  
>
>>.wmv too the risk of people encountering problems is minimum, so
>>
>>
>more people will be 
>  
>
>>able to watch them
>>
>>Juan
>>http://livingwithfallas.myblogsite.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Kaballah discussions "closed for comment"

[Brad Webb]

Charles HOPE wrote:

> Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
>
>>Free speech means that you have the right to respond. It doesn't mean that  
>>someone else has to sponsor your speech.
>>  
>>
>
> That's true. But it's good faith and proper manners.

Which I totally I agree with, but am not going to advocate enforcing. 
Proper manners also includes not enforcing those same manners upon 
others. That, again, is the same -- conceptually -- as what is being 
railed against in the first place. My idea of the "right way" has 
nothing to do with anyone else's, and I'm in no position -- nor want to 
be -- to enforce that "right way" on anyone. I don't get it. This sort 
of has an exclusionary feel to it, IMHO, and I'm not sure what's driving 
that. If people want to be open, cool, I'm down with that. If not, 
alright, I'll check it out, and if I don't like what they're about, or 
how they're doing things, I won't check it out anymore, and I'll blog 
about that. When did that stop being an option? Why aren't we railing 
about blogs that post about NYT or CNN articles?

We ALL have equal time. At least, I know I do, I have a blog, and access 
to technorati. Where's the issue, and why are we trying to exclude 
people from not playing by some set of arbitrary rules?

Also, since I want to keep the threadcount down here -- the fact that it 
wasn't overtly labelled as accepting comments, yeah, that sucks. Don't 
watch 'em again. Take your notes, blog about what you saw, and that's 
that. I don't think we should be building filters into our 
infrastructure to keep people out, especially right now. I don't think 
programmatically enforcing some kind of clique is the best way to move 
things forward, but hey.. I could be totally wrong here.

-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Kaballah discussions "closed for comment"

[Brad Webb]

Er, okay, but I have my own blog that I can comment on and be a part of 
the sphere of conversation, so really, do I care that I can/can't 
comment directly on someone's blog? No, not really. Infact, I'd rather 
have the conversation in a spot I KNOW isn't 
edited/moderated/controlled. I don't PERSONALLY see how removing people 
who disagree with that from the mix. Again, change the . 
There's all kinds of NON-blog stuff that I can pull into FireANT, 
mefeedia, etc -- should those be excluded because they're not the 
utopian setup that we'd all like? I'd strongly argue no.

Charles HOPE wrote:

> Brad Webb wrote:
>
>>Aren't you effectively suggesting we censor those folks that want to 
>>censor you?
>>  
>>
>
> This is the argument that BSD people use against the GPL. It's a bit 
> too relativistic for my taste though, I'm afraid. There is censorship 
> to promote my ideology and shut out the enemy. And then there is the 
> refusal to play with those who insist on playing with a stacked deck. 
> Censorship shouldn't be confused with the meta-censorship Randolfe 
> advocates.
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw>
>  
>   Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw>
>  
>   Use 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA>
>  
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Kaballah discussions "closed for comment"

[Brad Webb]

Aren't you effectively suggesting we censor those folks that want to 
censor you?

That, er, is somewhat contradictory, no? I hate to sound very 
TV-guy-like.. but change the ?

Randolfe Wicker wrote:

> I was most impressed with this feed I found on FireAnt
> .feed:
> http://www.whatdoyoulivefor.info/movieshow/?feed=comments-rss2
>  
> It was impressive technically since you watched it for about twenty 
> minutes before the download caught up with your viewing and caused 
> problems.  Obviously, these people have technical ability.
>  
> It resonated with me in a very special way.  it talked about "inner 
> voice" and "reason for life" which for me, the world's first human 
> cling activist had a special resonance, www.clonerights.com 
> <http://www.clonerights.com> .
>  
> I wanted to make a posting and found that "comments were closed".  I 
> don't think these religious dialogues that cut off all dialogue should 
> be listed in aggregators like FireAnt. 
>  
> I don't think any video should be put on such aggregators that *do not 
> allow feedback*.
>  
> I like being challenged.  I don't like controls that "prevent 
> feedback".  Call this "positive censorship".  People should not be 
> enabled to "preach" to you without allowing you to give feedback.
>  
> This is common among the Religious Right. I got an email from a fellow 
> in Philadelphia (religious right Democrat) regarding my last vlog 
> "Waging War on Death".
>  
> I followed the link that "promised" an "equal time" discussion.  I 
> sent an essentially "let's stop screaming at one another" email but it 
> was "blocked" from delivery.
>  
> Vlogging and the free exchange of ideas implies that anyone who posts 
> something should be "forced" to receive reactions and replies to what 
> they have posted.
>  
> Stop censorship of thought!!  Only vlogs allowing "feedback" and 
> "comments" allowed!!
>  
> Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
>  
> Videographer, Writer, Activist
> Advisor: The Immortality Institute
> Hoboken, NJ
> http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/
> 201-656-3280
>  
>  
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Individual 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw>
>  
>   Fireant 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw>
>  
>   Use 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Use&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Use&c=3&s=38&.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA>
>  
>
>
>
> 
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> *  Visit your group "videoblogging
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" on the web.
>
> *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>   Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> 
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Internet television station

[Brad Webb]

I'd personally add "us" (vSocial, http://www.vsocial.com/>) to that 
list as well. Our RSS feeds have enclosures of the original, uploaded 
files -- plus we transcode for m4v -- which can be distributed in the 
same or similar manner, plus we have easy and compatible embedded 
features for your blog or wherever else you'd want to put 'em. Still not 
sure specifically what the original commenter was looking for, though.

Gena wrote:

>So it sounds like you are looking for a web host to upload & store
>your videos and then use Broadcast Machine to distribute them (RSS =
>Channels in Broadscast Machine speak) via Bit Torrent.
>
>For free video web hosting you can try:
>
>http://blip.tv/
>http://www.dailymotion.com/
>http://ourmedia.org (currently having problems accessing so make this
>#3 to try out)
>
>Gena  http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

[Brad Webb]

Oh, for sure, it's easy to make SOME differenciation. Except for 
jackasses like me with 4 machines, with 3 different OS' and 4 different 
aggregators. I presume the level of jackassness is on par with mine, 
too, which is why subscribers=1 in anything I throw together. =)

David Meade wrote:

>On 11/12/05, Brad Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>The short answer to this is.. unique IPs that hit multiple times over
>>the last 24 hour period. That's what I can determine to be feedburner's
>>technique.
>>
>>That, at least, is how I'm going to be doing the calculation. =)
>>
>>It doesn't account for aggregators that cache, NAT'd IPs, or anything of
>>the like. But without some kind of cookie-ing system, you're probably
>>not going to be able to do that.
>>
>>
>
>
>Well there is some other stuff you can take into account.
>
>for example lets say I have 3 subscribers behind the same IP address ...
>
> user A requests feed with ip addess 10.10.10.10 with agent=iTunes for windows
>   -- > subscribers=1
>
> user a requests the feed again one hour later with itunes for windows
>   -- > counted as the same user. subscribers=1
>
>User B then 1 hour later requests feed with ip address 10.10.10.10
>with agent = fireant for windows
>  -- > Here we have to make a choice.  Do I count this as a new
>subscriber assuming there are more than one people behind this
>address, or do I count this as the same user assuming he has two
>aggrigators installed.  Up to you, but in my system I count it as the
>same user (I try to fall to the side of too strict).  So in my system
>... counted as the same user subscribers=1  (I've just lumped two
>people together perhaps)
>
>User C then requests the feed from ip 10.10.10.10 with agent=fireant for Mac
> --> this time we see that it's a macintosh OS where as the last from
>this IP was a windows install.
>  --> Here I go ahead and make the assumption that this is in fact a
>different user, as it is very cleraly a different machine (even though
>its from the same IP)  subscribers=2
>
>
>So as above, you'd have 3 users with the same IP address.  In my
>system it would count them as 2 ...
>
>I could have counted them as 3, but I made the rule that lumps some
>together because I'd rather lose one here and there than gain 3
>because of people like me who have Fireant, iTunes, and thunderbird
>all pinging away.
>
>IP address is important
>HTTP user agent can also give you great information such as:
>  * client application
>  * client OS (sometimes)
>  * number of users that this requests services (sometimes)
>
>
>
>- Dave
>--
>http://www.DavidMeade.com
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

[Brad Webb]

The short answer to this is.. unique IPs that hit multiple times over 
the last 24 hour period. That's what I can determine to be feedburner's 
technique.

That, at least, is how I'm going to be doing the calculation. =)

It doesn't account for aggregators that cache, NAT'd IPs, or anything of 
the like. But without some kind of cookie-ing system, you're probably 
not going to be able to do that.

>I'm not sure how this topic got so confused ... :-P
>
>The question asked was NOT "how can I get detailed viewer stats that
>have enough data I could use it when talking to
>marketing/sponsorship/advertisemnt/etc people" ... the question was
>simply "has anyone figured out a way to get feedburner like subscriber
>estimations without using feedburner" ... and I have ... so I replied.
> That was the sole question I tried to answer.  "yes I have made a
>system that estimates subscribers similar to how I imagine feedburner
>does it" (maybe better :-P)
>
>I didnt even try to answer any other questions about how to track
>viewers/hits/downloads etc to such a level that sponsors or
>advertisers would like to see.  I never claimed to be able to provide
>those stats in any 'report'.  It was a question about subsrciber
>estimates ala feedburner ... and that the only thing I said I could
>provide.
>
>Somewhere it jumped topics ... a which point I only meant to say that
>a simple estimation of subscribers (not some detailed market data
>report) ... does not require knowledge of how many times a file was
>actually viewed, and that with some decent logic built in can minimize
>the effects of NAT'd IPs in the calculations.  No you can't get a
>perfect number ... but you cna get close. (and again, the question was
>about subscriber estimates ala feedburner ... if you already know
>thats not what you're looking for, than any similar solution is again
>... not going to be what your looking for)
>
>Most vloggers are not looking (yet) for market data they can show to
>advertisers or sponsors ... and I dont think thats what the question
>that started this was asking for.
>
>Now, if you want that Andrew, then yes I totally agree with you that a
>simple subscriber estimation isn't going to cut the mustard and would
>be misleading ... but not everyone is rocketboom.  :-P  Some of us
>still get a nice warm fuzzy feeling for servicing our 15 viewers, and
>are happy to have rough estimation for our own use.
>
>pinging a server on a view is an interesting idea, but again ...
>viewers != subscribers.
>
>- Dave
>http://www.davidmeade.com
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] fussing and fighting

[Brad Webb]

Ugh. This inevitably happens, unfortunately, once people start to pour 
in past the early adopters. They come in on the buzz, hype and tech, and 
ignore the principles that the community has been founded and flourished 
upon the core "cool" stuff. The worst part is, I don't have a good 
suggestion/answer as to how to avert it, but something that definately 
warrants further discussion.

Jay dedman wrote:

>God help us if videoblogging becomes like this:
>http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,69513,00.html?tw=rss.TEK
>
>"no, im the best"
>"i have more viewers'
>
>Jay
>
>
>--
>Adventures in Videoblogging
>http://www.momentshowing.net>
><http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?

[Brad Webb]

t;
>Bill Streeter
>LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
>www.lofistl.com
>
>
>
>
>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>YouTube Receives $3.5M in Funding From Sequoia Capital
>>http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=100442
>>
>>Can someone explain YouTube to me?  I don't get what people like  
>>about this service.  They have crappy transcoding, they brand 
>>
>>
>your  
>  
>
>>videos with their logo, they try to lock you into their website, 
>>
>>
>you  
>  
>
>>can't syndicate your videos via rss, and they still haven't 
>>
>>
>changed  
>  
>
>>their crazy terms of use where you basically give your work away 
>>
>>
>to  
>  
>
>>them.
>>
>>Can someone who uses this service explain what they like about 
>>
>>
>it?   
>  
>
>>Do you not care about these points that I bring up?  Why not use  
>>another free alternative like Ourmedia or Blip?
>>
>>I don't get it.
>>Verdi
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Me: http://michaelverdi.com
>>R&D: http://graymattergravy.com
>>Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org
>>Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?

[Brad Webb]

Actually, I'd attribute YouTube's UI to circa '99 Amazon and Yahoo! far 
more than Flickr. That being said, at least it's not in quirks mode 
anymore. ;)

>
>This is something we're working on.  It's a suprsingly tough nut to
>crack in some ways, YouTube's design and usability is as they are
>because they directly ripped off Flickr -- something we don't want to do.
>
>We'll be sending some new design mock-ups around for comment pretty
>soon.  Hopefully we'll get some new look and feel out the door pretty
>soon.
>
>Yours,
>
>Mike
>Co-founder, blip.tv
>  
>
-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?

[Brad Webb]

Because it works, works fast, and users are generally willing to 
sacrifice quality and freedom for "just working"... look at the threads 
over the past months about ourmedia/archive crapping out, average 
ADHD-level user just isn't going accept that as a solution. They also 
remove the "what version of plugin XYZ am I running" headache, which for 
people who actually follow these things and care isn't an issue, but I'm 
not going to (and can't) assume my mom has QT7 installed, and tell her 
"well just go get it".. that's NOT a good user experience, IMO.

That being said, users DO need to be educated about aggregation, but 
that's a battle that's *still* being fought on the text-blog level. 
Waiting 5 minutes for a 2 minute clip is an excrutiating experience for 
an average user, and one that needs to be rectified.

Verdi wrote:

>On Nov 8, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
>
>  
>
>>oh, and of course, let's not forget that the Audience is larger  
>>than the pool of Content Creators.
>>VC's know this.  These are the people that they are interested in,  
>>afterall
>>
>>
>
>I get that.  But why do users like the service?  Is it just because  
>it's been inexplicably written up in places like Slashdot and  
>BoingBoing?  It's just hype.  This is what bugs the shit out of me.
>Verdi
>
>--
>Me: http://michaelverdi.com
>R&D: http://graymattergravy.com
>Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org
>Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube - WTF?

[Brad Webb]

ps Links
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/>
>
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> sull
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and
> revelation from which new form is born"
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory
> http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere
> Aggregator
> http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog 
>
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: One Click buttons

[Brad Webb]

>  
> Well, this would make sense, however I'm new to the world of 
> iTunes/iPod ... I just got it last night.
>  
> I suppose I might have had iTunes installed earlier and not even 
> really noticed ... it has been bundled with QuickTime for at least a 
> few versions I think ... but I dont think I've ever had anything prior 
> to 6.0 at the earliest.
>  

6.0 just came out with the release of the video-capable iPods, no?

Yes, to get QT7 you would have had to grab iTunes, as well (AFAIK) but 
still, 4.9 was the first Podcast release, and (someone correct me if I'm 
wrong) that supported .pcast on Win and pcast:// on MacOS. So this 
definately wouldn't solve your problem. I also couldn't trace the issue 
to a browser-dependant problem (i.e. doesn't work on either IE or FF)

-- 
Brad Webb, Hacker-in-Charge

http://www.vsocial.com | http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ 
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: One Click buttons

[Brad Webb]

>I wonder if maybe the difference is between fresh installations of  
>iTunes versus upgrades.  Maybe an upgrade to the version with  
>podcasting support didn't properly register the handler, while a  
>fresh installation would?
>  
>

This, I think, is the correct call. We've got the .pcast method down pat 
< http://www.vsocial.com/rss/pcaster.php >, but I couldn't get it to 
"just work" on my machine (iTunes 6.0). I've been upgrading since 4.0, 
pre-podcasts, and .pcast is not associated on my machine.

Tried it on another machine with a fresh install of 6.0 -- worked like a 
charm. Maybe we should hit apple up for making this work in the next 
release? Unfortunately this really limits alot of folks, because there 
was a large install base pre-podcasts.

This does make for some annoying "hey, if this doesn't work, try this 
over here" stuff, which confuses lots of folks and is definately not the 
best way to address the issue, but I for one can't see a better way of 
doing it.

-- 
Brad Webb, Hacker-in-Charge

http://www.vsocial.com | http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [videoblogging] Are my videos visible?

[Brad Webb]

The audio played for about 10 seconds for me, no video, then QT shut 
down. Just a shot in the dark -- was this built using QT7?

-- 
Brad Webb

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC


natashawescoat wrote:

>I keep getting people telling me that they can't see my videos. I
>don't know if it's refering to my most recent or all of them. I'm
>saving them as quicktime movies in medium quality.. 
>
>Can anyone tell me if there is a problem with them or if it's just a
>minor few who must not be able to see them??
>
>Tash
>
>http://postmodernartist.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>  
>


-- 
Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology

http://vslabs.vsocial.com/
vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC
51 W. Third Street, #301
Tempe, AZ 85281
(602) 885-2295 - Mobile
(480) 967-9575 - Fax



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM
~-> 

 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/