Re: VimWiki - released finally

[Robert Cussons]

On 6/5/07, Sebastian Menge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[cross-posted to vim, vim-dev, vim-announce, wikia-l]

Hi all

Finally I have imported all the vim tips from http://vim.org/tips to

http://vim.wikia.com

and set up a minimal infrastructure to keep things going. Not everything
is perfect, but I think it is usable now.

Thanks to all the support from vim@vim.org and especially to the very
kind wikia community (#wikia on freenode and the mailing list,
Greetings!).

Some words on contribution: A good wiki depends on two main factors:
Excellent content and a lively community. We have a lot of good content
now, but to make it excellent we need You!

If you ever posted a tip or a comment to the old tips database, please
have a look at it on the wiki, and review the page. Every little bit
helps!

See you on the wiki, Sebastian.






Very good work Sebastian, it looks great to me.

I have already come across a new tip on vim wikia that I hadn't known 
anything about which I thought I might draw programmer's attention to 
(sorry if you already know about it). Tip #1267, which is a tip to 
enable a programmer to see (by a simple key combination of his/her 
choice), in which function they are. Very useful if you have just landed 
in the middle of a long function during a search for example, you know 
longer have to move around inside the buffer to find which function you 
are in, just type your chosen key combination: see 
http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Show_current_function_name_(for_C_programmers)

if you are interested.

Thanks very much to the original author of the tip and to everyone who 
has contributed to setting up the vim wikia.

Rob.

Re: how can I add this feature to vim!!

[Robert Cussons]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Robert Cussons wrote:

Michael F. Lamb wrote:

jaywee wrote:

*! Swap caps lock and escape, good for Vim
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
keysym Escape = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Escape
add Lock = Caps_Lock
*to a file named .speedswapper to the home directory, and run 
*xmodmap ~/.speedswapper* in a terminal, I follow the guide and 
finally done! but the bad thing is I have to run the command every 
time I reboot ubuntu!!

so any helps??


If it's a default Ubuntu install, meaning you're a Gnome user, name 
the file .Xmodmap rather than .speedswapper. When you log in, it 
should detect it automatically, and ask if you wish to use it.


You might also find that configuration option available in the Gnome 
"Keyboard Properties" part of the system configuration menu, I'm not 
sure.




Hi, I've been using this tip for ages and find it very useful, but I 
have the same problem as jaywee and none of the solutions so far 
suggested have solved the problem. I am using Debian Etch with KDE 
3.5.5. In my home directory, I have tried creating a .xinitrc with the 
same contents as the .speedswapper file (there wasn't one already 
existing), I have tried creating a .Xmodmap file with the same 
contents and I have looked in the KDE control panel for anything that 
might be able to do this, but didn't find anything. It's not a big 
problem, but it just would be nice to have it done automatically :-)


Thanks for any help,
Rob.
Hi, to make commands to be run when your desktop first loads I found 
this page useful:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Autostart_Programs

so, to ensure your keys get swapped when KDE starts, put the commands 
into any accessible file (~/.speedswapper above).  Then create a shell 
script in the appropriate directory for your distribution (on xfce4 here 
it is ~/.config/autostart, and in KDE it is ~/.kde/Autostart) that calls 
xmodmap:


#!/bin/bash
xmodmap ~/.speedswapper

Make that executable (chmod +x ~/.kde/Autostart/swapscript)


Thanks so much Chris, I should have known to look in the Gentoo pages, 
they are always very helpful and generally well explained.




and you should have what you want (just in case any of you are lawyers, 
I, of course, do not mean to imply that this solution will give you 
everything that you want, just the required results of this question).


Just have to wait 'til next time I log out and and in again to see if I 
achieve nirvana... ;-)




cheers

Chris

Re: how can I add this feature to vim!!

[Robert Cussons]

Michael F. Lamb wrote:

jaywee wrote:

*! Swap caps lock and escape, good for Vim
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
keysym Escape = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Escape
add Lock = Caps_Lock
*to a file named .speedswapper to the home directory, and run *xmodmap 
~/.speedswapper* in a terminal, I follow the guide and finally done! 
but the bad thing is I have to run the command every time I reboot 
ubuntu!!

so any helps??


If it's a default Ubuntu install, meaning you're a Gnome user, name the 
file .Xmodmap rather than .speedswapper. When you log in, it should 
detect it automatically, and ask if you wish to use it.


You might also find that configuration option available in the Gnome 
"Keyboard Properties" part of the system configuration menu, I'm not sure.




Hi, I've been using this tip for ages and find it very useful, but I 
have the same problem as jaywee and none of the solutions so far 
suggested have solved the problem. I am using Debian Etch with KDE 
3.5.5. In my home directory, I have tried creating a .xinitrc with the 
same contents as the .speedswapper file (there wasn't one already 
existing), I have tried creating a .Xmodmap file with the same contents 
and I have looked in the KDE control panel for anything that might be 
able to do this, but didn't find anything. It's not a big problem, but 
it just would be nice to have it done automatically :-)


Thanks for any help,
Rob.

Re: Tip#166 Caps_lock and Escape switch and imwheel

[Robert Cussons]

Robert Cussons wrote:
<--snip-->
So, on with the problem. I was using the excellent Tip#166 to switch the 
Caps Lock and Escape keys and it worked wonderfully. Then on Friday, I 
tried to install imwheel as non-root, don't know if this is possible, 
but I read the documentation and it didn't mention that it wasn't 
(incidentally, I was doing this following 
http://physics.ou.edu/~mcraven/mathmouse.html as a way of getting the 
mouse wheel to work properly in mathematica under Linux). Anyway I got 
complaints when trying to install it as it couldn't make the directory 
/etc/X11/imwheel as I cannot log in as root. So I gave up on that idea 
and as far as I was concerned had deleted anything to do with imwheel as 
I used its configure command to install under the prefix of my home 
directory. The problem is that now when I run the xmodmap 
~/.speedswapper command that has worked up until now, the escape key 
behaves like Caps lock as intended, but the Caps lock key seems to be 
acting as both Caps lock AND escape, i.e. it will change me from insert 
to normal mode, but also turns on Caps lock! I am running KDE 3.3.2, 
Debian Sarge. The speedswapper file is as follows:


! Swap caps lock and escape, good for Vim
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
keysym Escape = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Escape
add Lock = Caps_Lock

<--snip-->

Machine just been updated to Debian Etch and the problem has 
disappeared, not sure why, but I'm happy to have this mapping back, it's 
so useful, thanks very much to Leif Wickland for posting it.


Rob.

Tip#166 Caps_lock and Escape switch and imwheel

[Robert Cussons]

Hi all,

I know this might be seen as a little off-topic, but I would greatly 
appreciate any help, if someone has a better idea where to post it, then 
please recommend, I have already tried on imwheel's help page on 
sourceforge: https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=45152

but judging by the amount of activity on there, I am not hopeful!

So, on with the problem. I was using the excellent Tip#166 to switch the 
Caps Lock and Escape keys and it worked wonderfully. Then on Friday, I 
tried to install imwheel as non-root, don't know if this is possible, 
but I read the documentation and it didn't mention that it wasn't 
(incidentally, I was doing this following 
http://physics.ou.edu/~mcraven/mathmouse.html as a way of getting the 
mouse wheel to work properly in mathematica under Linux). Anyway I got 
complaints when trying to install it as it couldn't make the directory 
/etc/X11/imwheel as I cannot log in as root. So I gave up on that idea 
and as far as I was concerned had deleted anything to do with imwheel as 
I used its configure command to install under the prefix of my home 
directory. The problem is that now when I run the xmodmap 
~/.speedswapper command that has worked up until now, the escape key 
behaves like Caps lock as intended, but the Caps lock key seems to be 
acting as both Caps lock AND escape, i.e. it will change me from insert 
to normal mode, but also turns on Caps lock! I am running KDE 3.3.2, 
Debian Sarge. The speedswapper file is as follows:


! Swap caps lock and escape, good for Vim
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
keysym Escape = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Escape
add Lock = Caps_Lock

the output of running xmodmap is:

xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):

shift   Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
lockCaps_Lock (0x42)
control Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
mod1Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_L (0x7d),  Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)

after I run xmodmap .speedswapper the output of xmodmap is:

xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):

shift   Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
lockCaps_Lock (0x9)
control Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
mod1Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_L (0x7d),  Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)

Sorry, I'm sure the solution may be obvious to someone who knows 
anything about key mappings, but I don't :=^).


Any help is greatly appreciated
Many thanks,
Rob.

Re: calling normal commands from ex/a function

[Robert Cussons]

fREW wrote:

Hey everyone,

How do I have a function call Normal commands?  Example: I'd like to
make a function that will open a certain file, and then set the
foldlevel to 1, and then go to the right window.  So I have:

function TodoListMode()
 execute ":e ~/.todo.otl"
 execute ":Calendar"
endfunction

and then after the second command I want to do:
wl
zM
zr

Thanks!

-fREW



Hi fREW,

execute "normal! wl zM zr"

would be my guess, but I've never tried writing my own functions, this 
is adapted from someone else's work, so someone else's input would be 
useful :-)


Rob.

Re: yanking text

[Robert Cussons]

A.J.Mechelynck wrote:

Robert Cussons wrote:

Hi, I think a question like this was posted a long time ago, but I 
can't remember where or the answer, so please excuse me for asking it 
again.

If I yank the next word with yw the cursor stays where it is.
However if I want to yank text backwards from my current position for 
example to get the last word I use yb and the cursor moves to the 
beginning of the word. As I thought these two motion commands were the 
inverse and they appear to operate like that, why the difference in 
their reaction under the y operator?


Thanks
Rob.



The answer doesn't have a help tag, but it is somewhere under the 
description of the yank command in change.txt:


sorry, did look at the help file, but didn't read the whole section and 
it was right at the end :">





Note that after a characterwise yank command, Vim leaves the cursor on the
first yanked character that is closest to the start of the buffer.  This 
means

that "yl" doesn't move the cursor, but "yh" moves the cursor one character
left.
Rationale:  In Vi the "y" command followed by a backwards motion would
sometimes not move the cursor to the first yanked 
character,
because redisplaying was skipped.  In Vim it always 
moves to

the first character, as specified by Posix.
With a linewise yank command the cursor is put in the first line, but the
column is unmodified, thus it may not be on the first yanked character.



Best regards,
Tony.


Few moments pause while I look up what POSIX isso this method is 
standard compliant with other Unix systems, but is not so useful for 
effective text editing IMHO as when I yank text backwards it is because 
I want to use that text again at some later part of the document (as I 
like most people, I believe) write documents from start to finish (with 
a lot of detours admittedly ;-)), so to me it would make more sense to 
leave the cursor alone. Is this purely a compliance reason then or does 
someone have some text editing reason for doing it aswell?


If I wanted to change this behaviour, would I be right in thinking that 
I would have to define the yank command followed by a motion to set a 
mark, do the yank command then return to that mark? Actually just done a 
bit of reading in the help file and it appears I don't need marks, I 
could make use of the `] function, so then all I would want is to change 
the behaviour of any backwards yank to the same command, but with `] 
tagged on the end. However, you can only remap single keys can't you, so 
I guess something like:


nnoremap y y`]

wouldn't work, and I wouldn't know how to include the motion without 
specifying them all individually.


Or is this all a very bad idea and shouldn't be done anyway ;-)

Thanks for any input,
Rob.

yanking text

[Robert Cussons]

Hi, I think a question like this was posted a long time ago, but I can't 
remember where or the answer, so please excuse me for asking it again.

If I yank the next word with yw the cursor stays where it is.
However if I want to yank text backwards from my current position for 
example to get the last word I use yb and the cursor moves to the 
beginning of the word. As I thought these two motion commands were the 
inverse and they appear to operate like that, why the difference in 
their reaction under the y operator?


Thanks
Rob.

Re: Favorite little-known feature

[Robert Cussons]

Hans-Juergen Becker wrote:

Am Samstag, den 05.05.2007, 12:33 +0200 schrieb Christoph Haas:


Selecting a block (Ctrl-V), then pressing I (shift-i) and entering


text


which then gets inserted into all rows of the block at the same


column.


This is one of the features I love when editing DNS zone files.



I've tried to that some time ago, because i though that should work the
way you described it. But it didn't and still doesn't work on my vim, so
i'm quite surprised by your tip :-)

But as it doesn't work: do you have to enable some setting to use that
feature?

I'm using vim version 7.0 on Debian "Lenny".

Thanks,
Hans-Juergen



Which part doesn't work, I presume you can select a block of text with 
Ctrl-V, I'm just interested as I also find this a very useful feature, 
but it works for me :-). You also must press I, not i. Just noticed that 
one thing Christoph didn't write is that you have to press Escape to 
leave insert mode at the end of the process, has that helped?

Re: undo line numbers wrong

[Robert Cussons]

Yakov Lerner wrote:

On 5/2/07, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yakov Lerner wrote:
> On 5/2/07, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Yakov Lerner wrote:
>> > On 4/27/07, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks Tony, doubt he'll be that interested as he's an emacs 
user! But

>> >> anyway some time next week I will try and convince him.
>> >
>> >
>> > You can install latest vim under your $HOME -- this does not
>> > require any root privileges -- with a single command, a script
>> > 'vim7-install.sh'.
>> >
>> > Script vim7-install.sh is at
>> >
>> >http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1473
>> >"vim7-install.sh : {download + build + install} latest vim7 [from
>> > svn sources] in 1 command"
>> >
>> > Yakov
>> >
>>
>> Thanks very much Yakov, just done that and it seems to have worked 
fine,

>> there's just a couple of curious things:
>>
>> 1) below is the first part of the output, what are the errors right at
>> the bottom of this part?
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sh ./vim7-install.sh
>> This will download, build and install vim7 (using svn).
>> Select one of the following:
>> 1) You know root password and you want to install
>> vim globally for all users on this computer
>> (into /usr/local/bin)
>> 2) You do not know root password or you want to
>> install vim under your $HOME/bin directory
>> 2
>> # previously downloaded source found.
>>  * checking for locally modified files ...
>>  Found locally modified files
>> (dir=/var/tmp/user4046/vim7_from_svn/vim7) *
>> M  src/auto/config.mk
>>  Found locally modified files
>> (dir=/var/tmp/user4046/vim7_from_svn/vim7) *
>> Select (1) Discard local changes (2) Keep local changes [1] ?
>> 2
>> + cd /var/tmp/user4046/vim7_from_svn/vim7
>> + svn up
>> Error validating server certificate for
>> 'https://svn.sourceforge.net:443':
>>   - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use the
>> fingerprint to validate the certificate manually!
>> Certificate information:
>>   - Hostname: *.sourceforge.net
>>   - Valid: from Jan 17 18:17:01 2007 GMT until Mar 18 18:17:01 2008 
GMT

>>   - Issuer: Equifax Secure Certificate Authority, Equifax, US
>>   - Fingerprint:
>> a1:3a:51:83:60:5e:81:07:be:6c:06:d1:db:34:9b:d8:b9:40:b5:d0
>> (R)eject, accept (t)emporarily or accept (p)ermanently? p
>> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/vim/vim7'
>> svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/vim/vim7': Could not read status line: 
Secure

>> connection truncated (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
>> svn returned error(s). Press Enter to continue, Ctrl-C to stop
>>
>> 2) it says I should validate the certificate manually, but how do you
>> actually go about doing that?
>>
>> 3) the final part of the output is as follows:
>>
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/user4046/vim7_from_svn/vim7/src'
>> Build and install successful
>>
>> ***
>> ***
>>  Warning: directory $HOME/bin is not in you PATH!
>>  You need to add directory $HOME/bin to your PATH to run new vim
>>
>>
>> but if I do the following:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/bin$ echo $HOME
>> /the/cussons
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/bin$ echo $PATH
>> 
/usr/the_local/bin/:/usr/bin/:/the/cussons/bin/:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/the/cussons/bin/clewn/:/the/cussons/LeoScript/crudeleo-1.9/ 


>>
>>
>> you can see that $HOME/bin is in my PATH, therefore, does your error
>> message actually mean that as there is a version of vim in /usr/bin/
>> that this one will be loaded first and therefore, I should place
>> /the/cussons/bin/ before it in the PATH to give it preference?
>
>
> 1. Just answer 'p' to accept the certificate permanently.
> 2. The check for $HOME/bin in the path is not comlpete indeed.
>
> a) Type 'type vim' in bash to see which vim is taken, one from
> your /usr/bin or from $HOME/bin.
>
> b) Put $HOME/bin to the *front* of your path, before /usr/bin and 
before

> /usr/local/bin and before all other dirs that might contain other
> version of vim.
>
> c) Additionally,  put this in your .bashrc:
>  alias vim=$HOME/bin/vim'
>
> d) I recommend that you do both (b) and (c), and then check 'type vim'
> agai

Re: undo line numbers wrong

[Robert Cussons]

Yakov Lerner wrote:

On 5/2/07, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yakov Lerner wrote:
> On 4/27/07, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tony, doubt he'll be that interested as he's an emacs user! But
>> anyway some time next week I will try and convince him.
>
>
> You can install latest vim under your $HOME -- this does not
> require any root privileges -- with a single command, a script
> 'vim7-install.sh'.
>
> Script vim7-install.sh is at
>
>http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1473
>"vim7-install.sh : {download + build + install} latest vim7 [from
> svn sources] in 1 command"
>
> Yakov
>

Thanks very much Yakov, just done that and it seems to have worked fine,
there's just a couple of curious things:

1) below is the first part of the output, what are the errors right at
the bottom of this part?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sh ./vim7-install.sh
This will download, build and install vim7 (using svn).
Select one of the following:
1) You know root password and you want to install
vim globally for all users on this computer
(into /usr/local/bin)
2) You do not know root password or you want to
install vim under your $HOME/bin directory
2
# previously downloaded source found.
 * checking for locally modified files ...
 Found locally modified files
(dir=/var/tmp/user4046/vim7_from_svn/vim7) *
M  src/auto/config.mk
 Found locally modified files
(dir=/var/tmp/user4046/vim7_from_svn/vim7) *
Select (1) Discard local changes (2) Keep local changes [1] ?
2
+ cd /var/tmp/user4046/vim7_from_svn/vim7
+ svn up
Error validating server certificate for 
'https://svn.sourceforge.net:443':

  - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use the
fingerprint to validate the certificate manually!
Certificate information:
  - Hostname: *.sourceforge.net
  - Valid: from Jan 17 18:17:01 2007 GMT until Mar 18 18:17:01 2008 GMT
  - Issuer: Equifax Secure Certificate Authority, Equifax, US
  - Fingerprint: 
a1:3a:51:83:60:5e:81:07:be:6c:06:d1:db:34:9b:d8:b9:40:b5:d0

(R)eject, accept (t)emporarily or accept (p)ermanently? p
svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/vim/vim7'
svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/vim/vim7': Could not read status line: Secure
connection truncated (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
svn returned error(s). Press Enter to continue, Ctrl-C to stop

2) it says I should validate the certificate manually, but how do you
actually go about doing that?

3) the final part of the output is as follows:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/user4046/vim7_from_svn/vim7/src'
Build and install successful

***
***
 Warning: directory $HOME/bin is not in you PATH!
 You need to add directory $HOME/bin to your PATH to run new vim


but if I do the following:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/bin$ echo $HOME
/the/cussons
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/bin$ echo $PATH
/usr/the_local/bin/:/usr/bin/:/the/cussons/bin/:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/the/cussons/bin/clewn/:/the/cussons/LeoScript/crudeleo-1.9/ 



you can see that $HOME/bin is in my PATH, therefore, does your error
message actually mean that as there is a version of vim in /usr/bin/
that this one will be loaded first and therefore, I should place
/the/cussons/bin/ before it in the PATH to give it preference?



1. Just answer 'p' to accept the certificate permanently.
2. The check for $HOME/bin in the path is not comlpete indeed.

a) Type 'type vim' in bash to see which vim is taken, one from
your /usr/bin or from $HOME/bin.

b) Put $HOME/bin to the *front* of your path, before /usr/bin and before
/usr/local/bin and before all other dirs that might contain other
version of vim.

c) Additionally,  put this in your .bashrc:
 alias vim=$HOME/bin/vim'

d) I recommend that you do both (b) and (c), and then check 'type vim' 
again.



I will need to fix vim7-install.sh to fix that $HOME/bin in the end.
I need to check that $HOME/bin is before other /usr/* dirs,
not only *somewhere* in the PATH. "Somewhere" in the PATH
is not good check. In your case, script was confused by the trailing
slash in $HOME/bin/, it expects $HOME/bin. I'll fix that, too. Thanks
for reporting.

Yakov



Thanks for the utility, had already resolved the problems with the PATH 
just thought I should let you know.


Is the part below in the error just to do with the certificate, or 
something else?


svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/vim/vim7'
svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/vim/vim7': Could not read status line: Secure
connection truncated (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
svn returned error(s). Press Enter to continue, Ctrl-C to stop


Also what does it mean by manually validating the certificate, it is not 
relevant to this install, but just w

Re: undo line numbers wrong

[Robert Cussons]

A.J.Mechelynck wrote:

Robert Cussons wrote:

Thanks Bram and Tony, haven't been ignoring your replies, but it's my 
work machine and they have just updated to Debian Etch, but I haven't 
restarted my machine yet as I have a lot of things running at the 
moment and so was waiting for the weekend. Anyway just this morning I 
thought I would check on which version was actually packaged on Etch 
and it is: 1:7.0-122+1etch2

So I guess that won't help much if patch 182 is especially important!
Soas it's my work machine and I don't have root access, do I need 
to go and talk nicely to the system administrator to get him to apply 
these patches?


Thanks for all the help,
Rob.



Talk nicely to your sysadmin or your sysop, maybe around a glass of beer 
or a cup of coffee if you can, and try to convince him to upgrade Vim. 
He may not like compiling it himself though, even though it is not 
really hard: see my Vim cheat sheet, 
http://users.skynet.be/antoine.mechelynck/vim/compunix.htm -- you may 
want to print that for him before you talk to him. He may be interested 
in the fact that his current version dates back to begin October, and 
that since then 111 more patches (including the ones you need) have been 
published, including several new ones yesterday.



Best regards,
Tony.


Thanks Tony, doubt he'll be that interested as he's an emacs user! But 
anyway some time next week I will try and convince him.

Re: undo line numbers wrong

[Robert Cussons]

Thanks Bram and Tony, haven't been ignoring your replies, but it's my 
work machine and they have just updated to Debian Etch, but I haven't 
restarted my machine yet as I have a lot of things running at the moment 
and so was waiting for the weekend. Anyway just this morning I thought I 
would check on which version was actually packaged on Etch and it is: 
1:7.0-122+1etch2

So I guess that won't help much if patch 182 is especially important!
Soas it's my work machine and I don't have root access, do I need to 
go and talk nicely to the system administrator to get him to apply these 
patches?


Thanks for all the help,
Rob.

Bram Moolenaar wrote:

Rob Cussons wrote:


just wondering if anyone else had experienced an error message like 
this. It seems that every so often, I've not managed to find any 
systematics to this, when I try to perform an undo, I get "undo line 
numbers wrong" or something similar, sorry I don't have the exact error 
in front of me, it happened about 5 minutes ago and I was in the middle 
of something, so I just dealt with it! It doesn't happen very often, but 
when it does if I later try to undo something, it all goes a bit haywire 
and seems to not undo the last change etc. Sorry this is so vague, if 
it happens again, I'll see if I can pin it down better. Just wondered if 
anyone else had experienced this and maybe knew the cause.


What is your ":version" output?


Hi Bram, below is the :version output.

:version
VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 (2006 May 7, compiled Jul 16 2006 12:51:49)
Included patches: 1-35



There were a few updates to the undo function, especially patch 182.
You could try including all the patches that are available.

If the problem persists please try to find out what triggers the
problem.  There might also be something in your environment that matters
(esp. plugins).  It works fine for everybody else, so what is different
for you?

Re: undo line numbers wrong

[Robert Cussons]

Bram Moolenaar wrote:

Rob Cussons wrote:


just wondering if anyone else had experienced an error message like 
this. It seems that every so often, I've not managed to find any 
systematics to this, when I try to perform an undo, I get "undo line 
numbers wrong" or something similar, sorry I don't have the exact error 
in front of me, it happened about 5 minutes ago and I was in the middle 
of something, so I just dealt with it! It doesn't happen very often, but 
when it does if I later try to undo something, it all goes a bit haywire 
 and seems to not undo the last change etc. Sorry this is so vague, if 
it happens again, I'll see if I can pin it down better. Just wondered if 
anyone else had experienced this and maybe knew the cause.



What is your ":version" output?



Hi Bram, below is the :version output.

:version
VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 (2006 May 7, compiled Jul 16 2006 12:51:49)
Included patches: 1-35
Compiled by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Big version with GTK2 GUI.  Features included (+) or not (-):
+arabic +autocmd +balloon_eval +browse ++builtin_terms +byte_offset +cindent
+clientserver +clipboard +cmdline_compl +cmdline_hist +cmdline_info 
+comments +cryptv
+cscope +cursorshape +dialog_con_gui +diff +digraphs +dnd -ebcdic 
+emacs_tags +eval
+ex_extra +extra_search +farsi +file_in_path +find_in_path +folding 
-footer +fork()
+gettext -hangul_input +iconv +insert_expand +jumplist +keymap +langmap 
+libcall
+linebreak +lispindent +listcmds +localmap +menu +mksession 
+modify_fname +mouse

+mouseshape +mouse_dec +mouse_gpm -mouse_jsbterm +mouse_netterm +mouse_xterm
+multi_byte +multi_lang -mzscheme +netbeans_intg -osfiletype +path_extra 
-perl
+postscript +printer -profile -python +quickfix +reltime +rightleft 
-ruby +scrollbind

+signs +smartindent -sniff +statusline -sun_workshop +syntax +tag_binary
+tag_old_static -tag_any_white -tcl +terminfo +termresponse +textobjects 
+title
+toolbar +user_commands +vertsplit +virtualedit +visual +visualextra 
+viminfo +vreplace
 +wildignore +wildmenu +windows +writebackup +X11 -xfontset +xim 
+xsmp_interact

+xterm_clipboard -xterm_save
   system vimrc file: "$VIM/vimrc"
 user vimrc file: "$HOME/.vimrc"
  user exrc file: "$HOME/.exrc"
  system gvimrc file: "$VIM/gvimrc"
user gvimrc file: "$HOME/.gvimrc"
system menu file: "$VIMRUNTIME/menu.vim"
  fall-back for $VIM: "/usr/share/vim"
Compilation: gcc -c -I. -Iproto -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DFEAT_GUI_GTK 
-DXTHREADS -I/usr/includ
e/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/X11R6/include 
-I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/
include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/i

nclude -O2 -g -Wall  -I/usr/X11R6/include
Linking: gcc  -L/usr/X11R6/lib   -L/usr/local/lib -o vim 
-Wl,--export-dynamic -lgtk-x1
1-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 
-lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1

.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lglib-2.0   -lXt -lncurses -lgpm

undo line numbers wrong

[Robert Cussons]

Hi all,

just wondering if anyone else had experienced an error message like 
this. It seems that every so often, I've not managed to find any 
systematics to this, when I try to perform an undo, I get "undo line 
numbers wrong" or something similar, sorry I don't have the exact error 
in front of me, it happened about 5 minutes ago and I was in the middle 
of something, so I just dealt with it! It doesn't happen very often, but 
when it does if I later try to undo something, it all goes a bit haywire 
 and seems to not undo the last change etc. Sorry this is so vague, if 
it happens again, I'll see if I can pin it down better. Just wondered if 
anyone else had experienced this and maybe knew the cause.


Thanks in advance,
Rob.

[Fwd: [Fwd: Latex Suite - question about font shortcut FMD]]

[Robert Cussons]

I haven't received any response from Srinath or Mikolaj, so I thought I 
would ask on the Vim list, hope no one minds a specific plugin related 
request on the list, but if I can't contact the maintainers I didn't 
know who else to ask.

Thanks for any help,
Rob.

 Original Message 
Subject: [Fwd: Latex Suite - question about font shortcut FMD]
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:44:35 +0100
From: Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tried your old e-mail address first ;-)

 Original Message 
Subject: Latex Suite - question about font shortcut FMD
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:09:52 +0100
From: Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Srinath and Mikolaj,

I work with a nuclear physics model called FMD, so as you can imagine,
each time I type FMD I would prefer it if latex suite didn't interpret
that as an abbreviation for \textmd{}<++> :-)
I found the following lines in the "wizardfuncs.vim" from line 308 onwards:

" Font shortcuts {{{
let g:fontshortcuts = ''
\."\n Font shortcuts"
\."\n  is a value of g:Tex_Leader"
\."\n Shortcuts Effects"
\."\n Iv&V  I&v   V"
\."\n FBF  ".g:Tex_Leader."bf  \\textbf{} {\\bfseries }"
\."\n FMD  ".g:Tex_Leader."md  \\textmd{} {\\mdseries }"
\."\n"
\."\n FTT  ".g:Tex_Leader."tt  \\texttt{} {\\ttfamily }"
\."\n FSF  ".g:Tex_Leader."sf  \\textsf{} {\\sffamily }"
\."\n FRM  ".g:Tex_Leader."rm  \\textrm{} {\\rmfamily }"
\."\n"
\."\n FUP  ".g:Tex_Leader."up  \\textup{} {\\upshape }"
\."\n FSL  ".g:Tex_Leader."sl  \\textsl{} {\\slshape }"
\."\n FSC  ".g:Tex_Leader."sc  \\textsc{} {\\scshape }"
\."\n FIT  ".g:Tex_Leader."it  \\textit{} {\\itshape }"
" }}}

Can I remove this particular functionality by putting a " before the
line to do with FMD? So that it would read:

"\."\n FMD   ".g:Tex_Leader."md\\textmd{}   {\\mdseries }"

does this have the desired effect of commenting this out?
Do I need to do anything else, or will this automatically take effect
next time I open a .tex file.

Many thanks to you both for your help and a great plugin,
Rob.

Re: [SPAM?]Re: Vim 7 performance notes

[Robert Cussons]

George V. Reilly wrote:

Yakov Lerner wrote:


On 2/4/07, Yakov Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 2/4/07, Alexei Alexandrov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Gnu malloc (glibc) is exceptionally fast, iirc. It is possible
> > to benchmark the malloc speed during  the ./configure  time.
> > And auto-select the initital size depending on the results.
> >
> > The procmail this similar technique in configure: It automatically
> > benchmarks  it's own builtin strstr() vs system's strstr() and 
selects

> > the one which is faster.
> >
>
> In this particular case the speed of malloc is not the only factor.
> Big fraction of time is spent in memset() while initializing the array
> with zeros.

That's why I thought that it's reasonable to benchmark malloc()
relative to the time it takes to memset() that same area. (When
benchmarking, you need to know what to compare it to). If you
compare time it takes to malloc N bytes to the time it takes
to memset() same N bytes, you can tell the speed of malloc
*relative* to the time of memset()ting same size. So you will
automatically know which one is realtively more expensive,
the memset() or the malloc().



And then maybe the optimal initial size will be size where
memset() time is equal to the malloc() time ? The break-even,
so to say, in which neither of two time dominates the other ?



memset() is an O(N) operation. Its running time has to be proportional 
to N because it has to touch every single byte. If the pagefile gets 
involved, it's still O(N), but with a much larger constant.


malloc()'s running time is much harder to say anything about. Not only 
can it vary widely between different implementations, it also depends 
upon the state of the system. Is the heap fragmented? Is it suffering 
from lock contention? (Not a problem with single-threaded apps like 
Vim.) Is the memory already in the process's working set, or does malloc 
have to ask the OS for more pages? Is the system under intense memory 
pressure and will the malloc() operation cause paging to disk? Finally, 
malloc(N) is probably independent of N. It has to find a free entry of 
size N in its data structures, which is very dependent on both the 
implementation and the preceding factors. Benchmarking malloc() in 
./configure is not likely to tell you very much about its performance in 
a workload you care about.




Sorry to butt in here, but I had a question about all this discussion on 
malloc. If you are talking about the C function malloc which I think you 
are as you referred to glibc, then as far as I am aware, malloc does not 
zero the memory that is allocated, it merely allocates it, so I do not 
see where memset would be used. calloc on the other hand, also zeros the 
memory that it allocates. Sorry if I am completely misguided but just 
interested to know other people's thoughts on it.

Cheers,
Rob.

Re: getting rid of beep in vim

[Robert Cussons]

Bill McCarthy wrote:

On Wed 24-Jan-07 1:41am -0600, Robert Cussons wrote:



I'm sorry, I know this should be a problem that I can
resolve for myself, but I have searched the vim help under
"bells" and "visualbell" and tried what it says and it
doesn't seem to work, so your help would be greatly
appreciated. Basically, I always get the beeping sound
when I press 'k' but I'm already at the top of the file,
for example and I want to turn it off. I am running vim
7.0 on Windows XP Pro SP2. I have:

set vb t_vb=''



To do this, all you need in your _vimrc is:

set vb t_vb=

That will eliminate sounds and flashing in Vim.  For Gvim,
you also need, in your _gvimrc:

set t_vb=

because entering the GUI sets 't_vb'.

See :help 'vb'



Thanks Bill, I implemented this on Tony's advice and it has worked, 
finally there is silence :-)

Re: getting rid of beep in vim

[Robert Cussons]

Thanks Tony,

very prompt and helpful as always.

--snip--


"Inverting the display" means changing black to white, white to black, 
yellow to blue, blue to yellow, red to cyan, cyan to red, green to 
magenta, magenta to green, etc., all over the screen. The "visual bell" 
does it for a fraction of a second, if enabled.


As noted under ":help 'visualbell'", to disable both visual and audio 
bell, you must set 'visualbell' *ON* (not off), 


I assume this is because if you turn off visual bell it is assumed that 
you would want an audible one?


and clear the

corresponding pseudo-termcap entry, as follows:

" no bells wanted
set vb t_vb=
" must reset it again when the GUI starts
if has("gui")
autocmd GUIEnter * set t_vb=
endif



I don't know what a pseudo-termcap entry is but naively I don't see why 
you have to renew a command you've already given when the GUI starts up.


Thanks again,
Rob.

getting rid of beep in vim

[Robert Cussons]

Hi all,

I'm sorry, I know this should be a problem that I can resolve for 
myself, but I have searched the vim help under "bells" and "visualbell" 
and tried what it says and it doesn't seem to work, so your help would 
be greatly appreciated. Basically, I always get the beeping sound when I 
press 'k' but I'm already at the top of the file, for example and I want 
to turn it off. I am running vim 7.0 on Windows XP Pro SP2. I have:


set vb t_vb=''

in my _vimrc, I have also set it without the quote marks.
I also have

set novb

and:

set noeb

in my _vimrc and I still get the noise! I am starting to wonder if my 
_vimrc is actually being read from, it is located in: C:\Program 
Files\Vim, although I put a copy into: C:\Program Files\Vim\vim70 to see 
if that would resolve it but it made no difference. Is there a way to 
get vim to tell me which _vimrc it has read when loading? If I type:


:set t_vb=?

into gvim, I get:

 t_vb=^[|f

which I believe reads as "escape character f" according to the help 
file, which has the sentence: 	


In the GUI, 't_vb' defaults to "|f", which inverts the display	for 
20 msec.


I don't understand what "inverts the display" means, unless it means 
turn the display upside  down, which sounds a bit strange!
Anyway, it was the fact that I seem to have the default value that leads 
me to believe that my _vimrc isn't being read.


Sorry for the rambling, but if someone has the time to explain all this 
to me (or even some of it) I would be very grateful, thanks very much 
for any help.


Rob.

Re: partial commands shown below buffer

[Robert Cussons]

Tim Chase wrote:

Happy New Year to everyone.



And many happy returns!

On my windows gvim7 installation, I have a command displayed as I am 
typing it just below the buffer I am working on, so for example if I 
type:


"+2yy

then each character up until I hit the last y will be displayed as I 
type them. This is not so in my KDE Linux installation. Please can 
someone tell me which option I need to turn on so that I see this in 
the Linux install.




Looks like you want the 'showcmd' option.

-tim




Thanks Tim and J.

partial commands shown below buffer

[Robert Cussons]

Happy New Year to everyone.

On my windows gvim7 installation, I have a command displayed as I am 
typing it just below the buffer I am working on, so for example if I type:


"+2yy

then each character up until I hit the last y will be displayed as I 
type them. This is not so in my KDE Linux installation. Please can 
someone tell me which option I need to turn on so that I see this in the 
Linux install.


Many thanks,
Rob.

Re: Ignore matches that are commented out - was "How to edit a macro"

[Robert Cussons]

Yakov Lerner wrote:

On 11/1/06, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi everyone,

In a C programme for example is there a way to get Vim to ignore matches
that are commented out when searching for a string?



I found another solution, posted on this list in 2004 (not by me).
This list archive is full of gold!


It does seem to be very useful, I shall check it more often.



http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=vim&m=108617062626551&w=2

Subject:Re: How to skip comments during search
From:   "vim" 
Date:   2004-06-02 10:06:43
Message-ID: 000f01c44889$54e17e40$ab00a8c0 () zhao

function! SearchNoComment(str, opt)
   let b:found = 0
   while (b:found == 0)
call search(a:str, a:opt)
let b:name=synIDattr( synID(line('.'), col('.'), 1), "name")
"Whether it's within a comment?
if b:name !~? "comment"
let b:found=1
endif
   endwhile
endfunction

and, then map the n and N command as follows:
nnoremap n :silent call SearchNoComment('=@/', 'f')
nnoremap N :silent call SearchNoComment('=@/', 'b')

For the first search, you use /pattern as normal, for the later search of
the same pattern, just use n or N.
It won't work for the first search, unless you use :call
SearchNoComment('pattern', 'f')
I think it's impossible to enable such a feature in a
incremental search, is it?

Note, you needn't to map # and * command, it's naturally n and N,
separately.



Thanks Yakov, I will give this function a try over the next few days and 
see if it does what I want.

Ignore matches that are commented out - was "How to edit a macro"

[Robert Cussons]

First of all, very sorry, I sent this out with the wrong subject line 
before as it was going to be a different question that I then managed to 
 resolve myself.


Thanks for your reply Theerasak, would folding the comments make any 
difference though, I thought that Vim searched folded text as well. Also 
I'm not that sure how to use folds but I have just found section 28.1 of 
the user manual so will have a read about them.


Thanks,
Rob.

Theerasak Photha wrote:

On 11/1/06, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi everyone,

In a C programme for example is there a way to get Vim to ignore matches
that are commented out when searching for a string?



With / or ?, no. But you may be able to fold all comments.

How to edit a macro

[Robert Cussons]

Hi everyone,

In a C programme for example is there a way to get Vim to ignore matches 
that are commented out when searching for a string?


Thanks,
Rob.

Re: search visual block

[Robert Cussons]

Jean-Rene David wrote:

* Robert Cussons [2006.10.18 09:29]:


Everything seems to work fine now, except the
searched for items aren't highlighted like they
normally are when I search



Whether or not search items are highlighted
depends on the value of the 'hlsearch' option.

The search item gets highlighted on my end when the
option is set. Is yours set?

:set hls?



This is quite strange, it is set, i.e.

:set hls?

returns

hlsearch

If I use your visual selection when I first launch gvim, then it works 
with the highlighting. If I then use  to clear the highlighting 
according to this line in my .vimrc that I gave before:


:nnoremap  mz:nohlsearch/`z

then the highlighting is no longer displayed as is expected.
If I then do

:set hls?

again, I get again:

hlsearch

but if I use your visual selection tool again then this time I get no 
highlighting. Of course if I set hls again using :set hls then it works 
fine again until I press enter.


So what I was thinking was just to add a :set hls at the start of your 
function, then it should alway highlight the searched for items, however 
I tried variations on including it but no nothing about scripting so 
they didn't work, can you tell me how I should add it? I tried the below 
but it didn't work.


Thanks,
Rob.

" Search for visually selected text {{{
" From an idea by Michael Naumann, Jürgen Krämer.
function! VisualSearch(direction) range
set hlsearch
   let l:saved_reg = @"
   execute "normal! vgvy"
   let l:pattern = escape(@", '\\/.*$^~[]')
   let l:pattern = substitute(l:pattern, "\n$", "", "")
   if a:direction == 'b'
  execute "normal ?" . l:pattern . "\r"
   else
  execute "normal /" . l:pattern . "\r"
   endif
   let @/ = l:pattern
   let @" = l:saved_reg
endfunction

vnoremap  * :call VisualSearch('f')
vnoremap  # :call VisualSearch('b')

Re: search visual block

[Robert Cussons]

Jean-Rene David wrote:

* Robert Cussons [2006.10.18 06:30]:


I did notice that between the if and else there
are " which just act as comments as they are on
newlines,



Sorry, I should have known that wouldn't come out
right. There's a literal newline between the
quotes. You can enter it by pressing
.

Here's that section of code with the literal
newline entered as two separate characters:

if a:direction == 'b'
   execute "normal ?" . l:pattern . "^M"
else
   execute "normal /" . l:pattern . "^M"
endif



I was selecting text in visual mode, then
pressing / or ? and I just get the normal action
of pressing / or ?



I agree with what you say below completely, I just didn't express myself 
clearly enough in the paragraph above, I was just telling you the 
actions I had performed and it appears I should have been pressing * or 
# not / or ? as I originally thought, but the lack of the literal 
newline was causing it not to work too.





Well you could do it with "/" and "?" but I like
to keep their behavior intact as it is useful to
extend the visual region.

I remapped "*" and "#" instead, as shown in these
lines:

vnoremap  * :call VisualSearch('f')
vnoremap  # :call VisualSearch('b')

I prefer that because these don't have any special
meaning in visual mode and it ties in nicely with
the "search next/previous word" function they have
in normal mode.



Thanks for your help,
Rob.

Re: search visual block

[Robert Cussons]

Benji Fisher wrote:

On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 12:28:28PM +0200, Robert Cussons wrote:


Jean-Rene David wrote:


[snip]


"--< cut here >---
" Search for visually selected text {{{
" From an idea by Michael Naumann, Jürgen Krämer.
function! VisualSearch(direction) range
 let l:saved_reg = @"
 execute "normal! vgvy"
 let l:pattern = escape(@", '\\/.*$^~[]')
 let l:pattern = substitute(l:pattern, "\n$", "", "")
 if a:direction == 'b'
execute "normal ?" . l:pattern . "
"
 else
execute "normal /" . l:pattern . "
"
 endif
 let @/ = l:pattern
 let @" = l:saved_reg
endfunction

vnoremap  * :call VisualSearch('f')
vnoremap  # :call VisualSearch('b')
"--< cut here >---




 I think the original included raw CR characters in the two :execute
lines.  Both are intended to end with "^M" (which is how they appeared
in my copy of Jean-Rene's note).  I think your e-mail client broke the
lines, leading to syntax errors.


That may well be, don't know too much about how mozilla -mail works



 I try to avoid such problems by not including raw CR, ESC, etc.
characters in my vim scripts.  I suggest replacing the two :execute
lines with
 execute "normal ?" . l:pattern . "\"
and
 execute "normal /" . l:pattern . "\"

HTH --Benji Fisher



Everything seems to work fine now, except the searched for items aren't 
highlighted like they normally are when I search, is there a simple 
reason or am I just asking for too much, sorry I can't sort this out 
myself, but I don't understand the function well enough to see a 
possilbe reason, the only thing I could think of that might cause it 
would be this in my .vimrc


" Clears search highlighting by just hitting a return.
" The  clears the command line.
" (From Zdenek Sekera [EMAIL PROTECTED]  on the vim list.)
" I added the final  to restore the standard behaviour of
"  to go to the next line and the mz and `z to return the cursor to its
" precommand position
:nnoremap  mz:nohlsearch/`z

However, if this were interfering it would clear the command line as 
well and I don't see that so it can't be the cause.



Thanks,
Rob.

Re: search visual block

[Robert Cussons]

Jean-Rene David wrote:

* Lev Lvovsky [2006.10.17 17:15]:


Is it possible to search for a string by
selecting that string in  visual mode?  Meaning,
if I highlight something, and then want to
search for that thing which is highlighted in
the rest of the doc?



You already got lots of good answers. Here's
another one.

I've had this in my vimrc for years, and use it
when the string I'm searching for is not a
keyword. It works both forward and backward, puts
the searched pattern in the search history and
doesn't screw up any register.

"--< cut here >---
" Search for visually selected text {{{
" From an idea by Michael Naumann, Jürgen Krämer.
function! VisualSearch(direction) range
   let l:saved_reg = @"
   execute "normal! vgvy"
   let l:pattern = escape(@", '\\/.*$^~[]')
   let l:pattern = substitute(l:pattern, "\n$", "", "")
   if a:direction == 'b'
  execute "normal ?" . l:pattern . "
"
   else
  execute "normal /" . l:pattern . "
"
   endif
   let @/ = l:pattern
   let @" = l:saved_reg
endfunction

vnoremap  * :call VisualSearch('f')
vnoremap  # :call VisualSearch('b')
"--< cut here >---

HTH,



This sounds brilliant Jean-Rene, I put it into my .vimrc, but it doesn't 
seem to work, I did notice that between the if and else there are " 
which just act as comments as they are on newlines, didn't know if this 
was just my text wrapping, so I tried putting them on the line above, 
both with a space between or not, didn't know if that might be cause but 
that didn't seem to help either. Sorry I may be missing something 
obvious, but I'd like to get this to work as it seems very useful.
I was selecting text in visual mode, then pressing / or ? and I just get 
the normal action of pressing / or ?


Thanks,
Rob.

Re: VIM as C++ IDE

[Robert Cussons]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As far as I know Vim cannot recognize the  key (Please correct me if
> I'm wrong). In fact, it isn't that difficult to type all those, so I'd
> refer to keep the :cope window on all the time, and I have the habit to
> input :w everytime I changed a new line. So all I need to do is to type
> :make, which isn't complex and I don't need a short-cut for that. Note that
> you need to set your 'makeprg' right.

I agree with that, but how do I  keep the :cope window on all the time
set cope
in .vimrc or something?

> 
> However, if all you need is to make use of the  key, KDE can be set to
> something like the "4-modifiers KDE default", and that's the settings I'm
> currently using that and I use  shortcut key on most KDE-related
> features.

sorry, I don't really understande what you mean by this...although I've
just noticed that I have under KDE modifiers:

ModifierX11-Mod
Shift   shift
Ctrlcontrol
Alt mod1
Win mod4

I think I need to read up on what these KDE modifiers mean, anyway
thanks for the help with using make.

Rob.

Re: [SPAM?]Re: VIM as C++ IDE

[Robert Cussons]

This is brilliant, I've never used make from inside Vim before, please
surpress your sniggersAs I am working on Linux with a microsoft
ergonomic keyboard, I have an unused windows button or two, how would I
map the right hand one to the same mapping as below, i.e. instead of
F12? As KDE's control centre in the custom shortcuts returns Win for the
windows button, I tried:
map  :w:make:cope
but it doesn't seem to do anything, how does Vim interpret the windows key?

Many thanks,
Rob.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "Peng Yu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 写于 2006-10-14 05:59:29:
> 
>>map  :w:make
>>Can some body provide some script to satisfy my more general
>>requirement? I want press , then make is called. The error window
>>will not be closed unless I do so. When I brower the error, the file
>>where the error is from will be open automatically and the cursor is
>>put in the error line?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Peng
> 
> 
> for that simple, don't need any plugin:
> 
> map  :w:make:cope
> 
> You see, just add the :cope will do the trick.
> 
> Note that the cursor will be in :cope window then, you may need to press an
> enter key to go into the first error. But what to do when there's no error?
> then  does nothing.
> 
> --
> Sincerely, Pan, Shi Zhu. ext: 2606
> 
> 

Re: BOF

[Robert Cussons]

Bill McCarthy wrote:

Hello Vim List,

I listened to Bram's BOF this past weekend.  I still don't
know what BOF means.


From Wikipedia:


BoF is an acronym for:

Basic Oxygen Furnace
Birds of a Feather
beginning of file
Body-on-frame
Breath of Fire

BOF can also mean:

Baptism of Fire 
Board of Finance 
Battalions of Fear 
Biography of Ferns
boron oxyfluoride. 
Best of Five
British Orienteering Federation 


I would guess Birds of a Feather.  Which is it?



Surely Bit of Fun should be included in that list :-)

Rob.

Re: [OT] Who forwarded my message to eBay?

[Robert Cussons]

Charles E Campbell Jr wrote:

Edward L. Fox wrote:


Somebody in this mailing list had forwarded one of my post to eBay
customer support center. I think this mail puzzled eBay so much,
although they still promised that they will still try their best to
help me with my problem. Here is the response from eBay customer
support:

8<
Dear eBay Member,

Thank you for writing to eBay.

I am sorry to inform you that after reading your email, I am unclear as
to the exact problem you are experiencing. I am ready to help you with
this issue, but for me to help, I need you to send in more information.
This will help me answer your question correctly. Please send back a
detailed explanation of your problem and I will reply to you very
quickly.

I appreciate your patience and understanding regarding this matter and I
am sorry for any inconvenience caused to you.

Sincerely,
Shania K.



EBay's helpdesk gets subscribed somehow, and its a robot; at least, I've 
seen

no sign whatsoever of a human involved.  That includes the supposed name,
in this case "Shania K.", attached to the robot's replies, which I 
suspect is simply
a random lookup or construct.  Gotta train your spam filter just to 
reject it.


Regards,
Chip Campbell



Not sure it's a robot as I seem to remember when I received them and 
when Tony brought up this subject before, the answer was along the same 
lines, but the wording was different, either that or they've changed 
their generic answer...

Re: different format of features in :version

[Robert Cussons]

IMHO, that depends on for what reason you are looking at it, if you are 
looking whether a particular feature is included or not the present 
alphabetical ordering offers you the fastest (?) way of finding that 
information


Nikolai Weibull wrote:

On 8/15/06, Yakov Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I want to suggest different format of features listing in output of 
:version.



There's always the possibility of adding a :version! alternative.

 nikolai



--
========
Robert Cussons
Office SB3 3.163, Theory Group
Gesellschaft für Schwerionenforschung mbH (GSI)
Planckstraße 1
64291 Darmstadt
Germany.

Tel: +49 (0)6159 71 2754
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: icons

[Robert Cussons]

Steve Hall wrote:

On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 13:08 +0200, Robert Cussons wrote:


sorry if this is blindingly obvious to all except me, but where is
(are) the vim icon(s) stored in a windows install of vim7, I had a
look for about half an hour this morning and couldn't find them, not
helped by the fact that I didn't know the file extension, are they
stored in some type of .dll or something? Sorry for my ignorance,
but I need to know where they are to get windows to change from the
stupid notepad icon to vim icon, it seems it is too simple to manage
it on its own.



They are actually in the (g)vim.exe file, pick that and Windows will
show them too you to select for an extention.



Thanks Steve, no wonder I couldn't find them :-)

icons

[Robert Cussons]

Hi all,

sorry if this is blindingly obvious to all except me, but where is (are) 
the vim icon(s) stored in a windows install of vim7, I had a look for 
about half an hour this morning and couldn't find them, not helped by 
the fact that I didn't know the file extension, are they stored in some 
type of .dll or something? Sorry for my ignorance, but I need to know 
where they are to get windows to change from the stupid notepad icon to 
vim icon, it seems it is too simple to manage it on its own.


Many thanks for any help,
Rob.

Re: inserting a character space whilst remaining in normal mode

[Robert Cussons]

Yakov Lerner wrote:

On 8/7/06, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all,

something I find myself doing quite often is the above, i.e. I have:

extract(p,f,m,n)

and I want

extract(p, f, m, n)

and rather than going to the comma and pressing 'a', 'space', 'Esc' I
would prefer to use a single key and stay in normal mode, can someone
give me a pointer to the place in the help for this, I tried insert, but
that is all about insert mode.



I have this mapping in my vimrc:

   :nmap  i 

Just type space in normal mode to indent things (to insert space).
Use it all the time :-)

Yakov



Thanks Tim and Yakov, I had realised I could do a mapping but before I 
did just wanted to check I wasn't missing a key that already did the job 
in vim, yours looks like a logical mapping Yakov as space acts the same 
as l as far as I can see in normal mode and I have never used it anyway.


Thanks for the help,
Rob.

inserting a character space whilst remaining in normal mode

[Robert Cussons]

Hi all,

something I find myself doing quite often is the above, i.e. I have:

extract(p,f,m,n)

and I want

extract(p, f, m, n)

and rather than going to the comma and pressing 'a', 'space', 'Esc' I 
would prefer to use a single key and stay in normal mode, can someone 
give me a pointer to the place in the help for this, I tried insert, but 
that is all about insert mode.


Many thanks,
Rob.

Chip's block substitution script

[Robert Cussons]

Sorry Chip, you are absolutely right, I obviously didn't test it 
thoroughly enough the last time, just tried it out again and of course 
it does as you said and reassembles the strings again when you are 
finished. Very nice little script.


Thanks,
Rob.

Re: substituting only in visual block

[Robert Cussons]

Bernd Strohhäcker wrote:

Dr. Johannes Zellner schrieb:


Hi,

having marked a visual block with ctrl-v, I'd like to so a search /
replace only in that visual block. E.g. when selecting the right block
in:

xx xx
xx xx
xx xx
xx xx

I'd to do something like s/xx/yy/g which applies only to the selected
block. How can I do this?

  


Hi,

try Charles Campell's vis-script: 
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1195


HTH, Bernd



Thanks for the pointer to this, it is a useful script, if Charles is out 
there today, just a little point, it doesn't seem to like 'c' being used 
in substitutions, don't know if you already new about that. But perhaps 
I should give an example, if I have the text below, with the two columns 
under fh in the top line highlighted, so the 6th and 7th character in 
each line highlighted:


sdasdfhafdlhasdf
dsfhalshdflkashf

adfhalasdfhasdfl
asdfhaldfhlsadhf

sahdflakshfdl


then I use the command:

:'<,'>B s/l/m/g

I get the result:

sdasdfhafdlhasdf
dsfhamshdflkashf

adfhamasdfhasdfl
asdfhamdfhlsadhf

sahdfmakshfdl

as you would expect, all l's in these two columns have been changed to 
m's. Now I do the same but I want to be prompted:


:'<,'>B s/l/m/gc

but this time I get this result:

sdasdafdlhasdf
dsfhahdflkashf

adfhasdfhasdfl
asdfhdfhlsadhf

sahdfkshfdl
fh
ls

la
al

la

Thanks for the script though Charles, I look forward to using it.
Rob.

Re: Put the cursor in the middle of screen when replacing

[Robert Cussons]

Carlos Liu wrote:

On 8/2/06, Tim Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> How to put cursor in the middle of screen when replacing words? I have
> to see the next few lines to know replace or not, but the word always
> sit in the bottom of the screen.

Sounds like you're looking for the 'scrolloff' setting.

:help 'scrolloff'

will provide details on this.  It allows you to keep a certain
number of lines on the screen at the same time.  If you set it to
an outrageously high value, it will keep the cursor centered
vertically on the screen.


That's exactly what I want. Thank you!



This is more out of interest to increase my knowledge of vim, but 
wouldn't incorporting the 'zz' command from normal mode somehow achieve 
the same?

Re: [SPAM?]Re: gvimdiff and gvim 7 in windows

[Robert Cussons]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 2006.07.21 19:19:56:


because this is the size I want my gvim window to be when it opens,
however as gvimdiff opens at least two buffers I would like it to open
full screen, is there a way of getting this to happen?

gvim 7 in windows part:

I also use gvim at home, but there I use gvim 7 on windows instead of
gvim 6.3 on debian. So I have a few questions:

How do I use gvimdiff in windows?

If I already have a gvim window open how do I launch a new separate
instance of gvim from inside the first window (without having to go to
the desktop and click the icon!)

Sorry this is more of a windows question than gvim: On my linux machine
running KDE I have Ctrl-Shift-G set up to launch gvim, is there a way to
set a keyboard shortcut in Windows XP to do the same?

Many thanks for any help,
Rob.



If you want to maximize the window in Windows, here is the way:

if has("gui_win32")   " NT Windows
autocmd GUIEnter * :simalt ~x
endif

Note that it should be wrapped inside an autocmd group, if you don't have
any autocmd inside your .vimrc, here is the way:
augroup vimrcEx
autocmd!
" put your autocmd here.
augroup END

About diff mode: I use the following to test for diff mode, but I forget
why it works.
let in_diff_mode = 0
windo let in_diff_mode = in_diff_mode + &l:diff
if in_diff_mode == 1
" do something
else
" do something else
endif

About short-cut key for launch gvim? just create a shortcut on desktop or
start menu, then right click to change the properties, the short cut key
could be set there.

--
Sincerely, Pan, Shi Zhu. ext: 2606





A very late reply to this, thanks for the diff mode tip that works great 
on Linux, I will try it on windows later.


The short-cut key works, I had already tried it, but I was trying to 
type in the box rather than press the keys themselves, DOH! The only 
problem is that if you already have a gvim session running all the 
shortcut key does is maximize it, but nevermind, in that case I will 
just use what Tony suggested: !gvim


Thanks,
Rob.

Re: Differences with vim 7

[Robert Cussons]

Yakov Lerner wrote:

On 7/31/06, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



>
>
> Are those two vims built with same GUI libraries ?  I suspect
> that they are build with different GUIs.
> Can you send first 4 lines out :version output from each of two vims  ?
>
> Yakov
>
> P.S. I remember that I had similar issue between one Qt-based
> program and similar Xt-based program. I set same font for them two,
> but they showed it rather differently. Maybe you'll want to rebuild
> vim7 to use same GUI as your vim6.3. If you send first 4 lines from
> both vims :version, we'll know which GUI they are both built with.
>

VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 (2006 May 7, compiled Jul 31 2006 08:50:59)
Included patches: 1-42
Compiled by ...
Huge version with X11-Motif GUI.  Features included (+) or not (-):

VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 (2004 June 7, compiled Jul 30 2005 12:36:01)
Included patches: 1-71, 81-82
Compiled by ...
Big version with GTK2 GUI.  Features included (+) or not (-):


Seems you have hit the nail on the head Yakov, how would I rebuild Vim7
using your script but changing the GUI is it using the --configure 
options?



a) install package 'openmotif-devel' or (motif-dev or what's called)
b) ./vim7-install.sh enable-gui=motif

Caution: you must make sure motif-dev is instaleld, first.

Yakov



Thanks very much to everyone who helped with this, I'm afraid I 
chickened out in the end and asked the network administrator, he 
backported a vim 7 compiled with GTK2 GUI onto my machine, which has 
solved the problem.


Many thanks again for all the help,
Rob.

Re: Differences with vim 7

[Robert Cussons]

Are those two vims built with same GUI libraries ?  I suspect
that they are build with different GUIs.
Can you send first 4 lines out :version output from each of two vims  ?

Yakov

P.S. I remember that I had similar issue between one Qt-based
program and similar Xt-based program. I set same font for them two,
but they showed it rather differently. Maybe you'll want to rebuild
vim7 to use same GUI as your vim6.3. If you send first 4 lines from
both vims :version, we'll know which GUI they are both built with.



VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 (2006 May 7, compiled Jul 31 2006 08:50:59)
Included patches: 1-42
Compiled by ...
Huge version with X11-Motif GUI.  Features included (+) or not (-):

VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 (2004 June 7, compiled Jul 30 2005 12:36:01)
Included patches: 1-71, 81-82
Compiled by ...
Big version with GTK2 GUI.  Features included (+) or not (-):


Seems you have hit the nail on the head Yakov, how would I rebuild Vim7 
using your script but changing the GUI is it using the --configure options?


Many thanks for your help,
Rob.

Re: Differences with vim 7

[Robert Cussons]

Robert Cussons wrote:



Peter Hodge wrote:


Some GUIs will allow you to use the command

  set guifont=*

Which brings up a font selection window.  If that works, you can 
select a font

and then use

  set guifont

to find out exactly what to add to your .vimrc

regards,
Peter

--- Yakov Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On 7/31/06, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I just installed vim 7 on my linux system at work (more specifically
debian sarge running KDE 3.3) and I get a few funny things 
happening. It

is installed in my home/bin directory as I don't have root permissions.
All comments seem to come out underlined and the fonts for everything
including the menus are different to before, I don't know how to check
the current font setting, but when I type :set, there doesn't seem 
to be

anything that would have changed the font listed. Anyone had the same
problems?



:set guifont?

Yakov





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I found out by accident that the font is Monospace 10, so I put the
following line in my .vimrc

set guifont=Monospace\ 10

but I still get different fonts, I have attached a screenshot of two
gvim sessions, lhs is gvim7, rhs is gvim6.3, if you look at the bottom
of each window is sets the font as I have just executed :set guifont? in
each of the windows. They have both accessed and read the .vimrc it
would seem, so what is wrong?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, this is becoming mildly
frustrating :-)

Rob.

I just got this e-mail bounced back, turns out I can't send a .png file 
to the group, don't have any ideas how else to show it to anyone that 
cares :-( and could help :-)

Re: Differences with vim 7

[Robert Cussons]

Yakov Lerner wrote:

On 7/31/06, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yakov Lerner wrote:
>
>
> 1. In vim6.3 , try
>:set guifont?
> and select the font name with mouse
> 2. In vim7, try
> :set guifont=xxx
> where xxx if font name as you selected it from vim6.3
> If you get the right font, then put this :set guifont=xxx line into 
.vimrc

>
> Yakov
>

Hi Yakov,

:set guifont?

yields the same result in both cases:

guifont=

with no font specified, but the fonts are not the same, hence I think
they must be looking at a different default font somewhere. If I knew
what the actual font it was using in vim6.3 was, then I would be able to
do something, but I can't see how to find out. Any ideas anyone?



I do not know of other way other than brute-froce searching in
'set guifont=*' for the right name/size. I have:
  :set guifont=Monospace\ 9
in my vimrc (this is GTK2 gvim) but font names are different depending
on gui flavor of gvim.

Take a look at Antonie's tip
   http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=632
   "Setting the font in the GUI"

Yakov



Thanks Yakov, I will look over Antoine's tip in more detail tonight and 
see if I can't find a solution.


Many thanks,
Rob.

Re: Differences with vim 7

[Robert Cussons]

Yakov Lerner wrote:



1. In vim6.3 , try
   :set guifont?
and select the font name with mouse
2. In vim7, try
:set guifont=xxx
where xxx if font name as you selected it from vim6.3
If you get the right font, then put this :set guifont=xxx line into .vimrc

Yakov



Hi Yakov,

:set guifont?

yields the same result in both cases:

guifont=

with no font specified, but the fonts are not the same, hence I think 
they must be looking at a different default font somewhere. If I knew 
what the actual font it was using in vim6.3 was, then I would be able to 
do something, but I can't see how to find out. Any ideas anyone?


Thanks,
Rob.

Re: Differences with vim 7

[Robert Cussons]

Robert Cussons wrote:

Peter Hodge wrote:


Some GUIs will allow you to use the command

  set guifont=*

Which brings up a font selection window.  If that works, you can 
select a font

and then use

  set guifont

to find out exactly what to add to your .vimrc

regards,
Peter

--- Yakov Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On 7/31/06, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I just installed vim 7 on my linux system at work (more specifically
debian sarge running KDE 3.3) and I get a few funny things 
happening. It

is installed in my home/bin directory as I don't have root permissions.
All comments seem to come out underlined and the fonts for everything
including the menus are different to before, I don't know how to check
the current font setting, but when I type :set, there doesn't seem 
to be

anything that would have changed the font listed. Anyone had the same
problems?



:set guifont?

Yakov





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Thanks Yakov and Peter, it appears that the problem may be more with 
Vim7 finding the fonts on my system. I had Sans regular 12 on Vim6.3 and 
the list of fonts there is greater than that in Vim7, do I need to tell 
Vim where to look for fonts, if so how do I check where Vim 6.3 looks 
and tell Vim 7 to look there as well. I think this is because 6.3 is a 
network wide install and 7 is installed in my home directory.


Thanks,
Rob.



I just discovered that the font is not Sans regular 12 on Vim6.3 because 
when I use :set guifont=* although that is the font that is highlighted, 
if I actually apply it then the font changes (to Sans regular 12) and to 
change it back I have to use :set guifont=
with no argument, so I guess I must be displaying the default font or 
something?

Re: Differences with vim 7

[Robert Cussons]

Peter Hodge wrote:

Some GUIs will allow you to use the command

  set guifont=*

Which brings up a font selection window.  If that works, you can select a font
and then use

  set guifont

to find out exactly what to add to your .vimrc

regards,
Peter

--- Yakov Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On 7/31/06, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I just installed vim 7 on my linux system at work (more specifically
debian sarge running KDE 3.3) and I get a few funny things happening. It
is installed in my home/bin directory as I don't have root permissions.
All comments seem to come out underlined and the fonts for everything
including the menus are different to before, I don't know how to check
the current font setting, but when I type :set, there doesn't seem to be
anything that would have changed the font listed. Anyone had the same
problems?


:set guifont?

Yakov





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Thanks Yakov and Peter, it appears that the problem may be more with 
Vim7 finding the fonts on my system. I had Sans regular 12 on Vim6.3 and 
the list of fonts there is greater than that in Vim7, do I need to tell 
Vim where to look for fonts, if so how do I check where Vim 6.3 looks 
and tell Vim 7 to look there as well. I think this is because 6.3 is a 
network wide install and 7 is installed in my home directory.


Thanks,
Rob.

Differences with vim 7

[Robert Cussons]

I just installed vim 7 on my linux system at work (more specifically 
debian sarge running KDE 3.3) and I get a few funny things happening. It 
is installed in my home/bin directory as I don't have root permissions. 
All comments seem to come out underlined and the fonts for everything 
including the menus are different to before, I don't know how to check 
the current font setting, but when I type :set, there doesn't seem to be 
anything that would have changed the font listed. Anyone had the same 
problems?


Many thanks for any help,
Rob.

gvimdiff and gvim 7 in windows

[Robert Cussons]

gvimdiff part:

In my .vimrc I have the line:

set columns=88 lines=80

because this is the size I want my gvim window to be when it opens, 
however as gvimdiff opens at least two buffers I would like it to open 
full screen, is there a way of getting this to happen?



gvim 7 in windows part:

I also use gvim at home, but there I use gvim 7 on windows instead of 
gvim 6.3 on debian. So I have a few questions:


How do I use gvimdiff in windows?

If I already have a gvim window open how do I launch a new separate 
instance of gvim from inside the first window (without having to go to 
the desktop and click the icon!)


Sorry this is more of a windows question than gvim: On my linux machine 
running KDE I have Ctrl-Shift-G set up to launch gvim, is there a way to 
set a keyboard shortcut in Windows XP to do the same?


Many thanks for any help,
Rob.

Re: a question about subsitution....

[Robert Cussons]

Thanks Yakov,

that was the explanation I wanted.

Rob.

Yakov Lerner wrote:

On 7/12/06, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks Max and Chip, I didn't realis that \< and \> were used to denote
the beginning and end of the word and therefore they could be used
separately, I always just thought of them as a way of getting an exact
match, which I suppose is almost the same thing, however, I still don't
understand why you can't exclusively mark the start of this string 
with \<




Try /\*\
, it will work.

But /\<\*
will never match, becuse \< requires alphabetic character after it.
When you put non-alphabetic char [*] to the right of \<, \<
will *NEVER* match. I know this is non-intuituve, but
this is how it works. \< requires alphabetic char to the right of it.
This is why \<[*] never matches.

\< requires alphabetic char to the right of it. This is why
\<\* never matches.

\< requires alphabetic char right after it. Thisis the reason
\<\* never matches.

Yakov



--

Robert Cussons
Office SB3 3.163, Theory Group
Gesellschaft für Schwerionenforschung mbH (GSI)
Planckstraße 1
64291 Darmstadt
Germany.

Tel: +49 (0)6159 71 2754
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: a question about subsitution....

[Robert Cussons]

Thanks Max and Chip, I didn't realis that \< and \> were used to denote 
the beginning and end of the word and therefore they could be used 
separately, I always just thought of them as a way of getting an exact 
match, which I suppose is almost the same thing, however, I still don't 
understand why you can't exclusively mark the start of this string with \<


Thanks for the help,
Rob.

Charles E Campbell Jr wrote:

Max Dyckhoff wrote:


As I understand it, the \< and \> tokens represent the beginning and end
of a word. This means that the character immediately after the \< token
must be a word character, namely letters, numbers, and underscore (as
defined by the iskeyword option).

Max
 




...snip: At some points in my code I had a variable that was a pointer
  


that
 


was denoted (in C) by:

*iterNum

I wanted to replace instances of exactly this string globally between
  


my
 


present position and line 791, with:

j
  



So try

 :791,.s/\*iterNum\>/j/g

(or :.,791s/...  depending on what your current line is rltv to 791)

Regards,
Chip Campbell

a question about subsitution....

[Robert Cussons]

Hi everyone,

I have a point of interest question about a substitution I was trying to 
make. At some points in my code I had a variable that was a pointer that 
was denoted (in C) by:


*iterNum

I wanted to replace instances of exactly this string globally between my 
present position and line 791, with:


j

therefore I tried the command below:

:.,791s/\<\*iterNum\>/j/g

and got the following error, even though the string

*iterNum

appeared a number of times within this range:

E486: Pattern not found: \<\*iterNum\>

I was fairly certain that the * had to be escaped, but just in case I 
tried the below:


:.,791s/\<*iterNum\>/j/g

and not surprisingly got an two errors, as follows:

E56: * operand could be empty
E476: Invalid command

So, in the end I gave up with the identical match and instead just used 
the following and checked it afterwards, I could of course have used c 
on the end as well to prompt me each time:


:.,791s/\*iterNum/j/g

My question (sorry this is so long-winded) is why the first substition 
did not work.


Many thanks,
Rob.

Re: insert lines

[Robert Cussons]

I do indeed, thanks Tony.

A.J.Mechelynck wrote:

Robert Cussons wrote:

Sorry ignore this post, don't know what happened when I tried it 
before, but of course this is already implemented, with '-', vim is 
ahead of me again..don't I feel a fool!


Robert Cussons wrote:


Hello all,

I know that '+' can be used to insert a line below the line on which 
the cursor is when in normal mode AND stays in normal mode, but is 
there a key to insert a line above the cursor line and stay in normal 
mode or would it need a mapping of something like 'k' followed by '+' 
followed by 'j' and if so how would I write such a mapping, I would 
propose '-' to be a good key to be mapped to it as it doesn't seem to 
be used for anything else in normal mode?


Many thanks,
Rob.




You must have those keys remapped: here + and - move the cursor down or 
up, on the first nonblank char of the line, but without adding empty 
lines (and that's what they should do according to the help).


I would guess you have the following mappings defined somewhere:

:noremap + o
:noremap - O


Best regards,
Tony.

Re: insert lines

[Robert Cussons]

Sorry ignore this post, don't know what happened when I tried it before, 
but of course this is already implemented, with '-', vim is ahead of me 
again..don't I feel a fool!


Robert Cussons wrote:

Hello all,

I know that '+' can be used to insert a line below the line on which the 
cursor is when in normal mode AND stays in normal mode, but is there a 
key to insert a line above the cursor line and stay in normal mode or 
would it need a mapping of something like 'k' followed by '+' followed 
by 'j' and if so how would I write such a mapping, I would propose '-' 
to be a good key to be mapped to it as it doesn't seem to be used for 
anything else in normal mode?


Many thanks,
Rob.

insert lines

[Robert Cussons]

Hello all,

I know that '+' can be used to insert a line below the line on which the 
cursor is when in normal mode AND stays in normal mode, but is there a 
key to insert a line above the cursor line and stay in normal mode or 
would it need a mapping of something like 'k' followed by '+' followed 
by 'j' and if so how would I write such a mapping, I would propose '-' 
to be a good key to be mapped to it as it doesn't seem to be used for 
anything else in normal mode?


Many thanks,
Rob.

Re: Printing on paper

[Robert Cussons]

Boyko Bantchev wrote:

On 5/22/06, Robert Cussons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all,

... is there a way to change this just for printing ...



You can change the colour scheme just for printing,
e.g. typing
:colo ...
(fill in your preferred name),
then print, and then return to the colour scheme you normally use.
One colour scheme designed specifically for printing is print_bw:
http://vim.sourceforge.net/scripts/script.php?script_id=233


Thanks Boyko (and Mike Williams who wrote the script) that at least 
displays in a more readable way than what I was getting before.


Rob.

Re: Printing on paper

[Robert Cussons]

...snip
Alternately, you can /set/ different highlighting colors by using a 
color scheme (see ":help :colorscheme"). Make sure that you use a color 
scheme with a bright background and dark text. Or else, view the file in 
the GUI, which uses black text on white background by default, but 
requires a windowing system such as Windows, Macintosh or X11 ("bare 
bones" Unix without X11 won't do). You can then print with the same 
highlighting, but it will (at least temporarily) display (mostly) dark 
text on a bright background on your terminal too.



Best regards,
Tony.



Thanks Tony, I am actually running KDE Linux and using gvim, is that 
what you meant by viewing the file in the GUI, or did you mean the 
opposite and that I would have to view it in the terminal window, all 
the commands vim, vi and gvim, point to vim, which launches in a 
separate window, so I'm not sure how to launch in a terminal window.


Many thanks,
Rob.

Printing on paper

[Robert Cussons]

Hi all,

sorry if this is blindingly obvious to all but me but I am having some 
problems printing from vim. I looked under :help print and the harcopy 
section and I can get what I want to print to the correct printer. I 
have syntax highlighting on (I was printing some C code) and this seems 
to come out (sort of) but as I have the background set to black, the 
code is also printed on a black background, is there a way to change 
this just for printing, i.e. could I set up a profile with different 
syntax highlighting and background etc. that would be sent to the 
printer, or even just black on white, although I would prefer the 
highlighting to be preserved in one form or another. Or is there an 
easier way that I am missing entirely?


Thanks in advance,
Rob.

Re: Vertical selection

[Robert Cussons]

Thanks for the tip Benji, just to make the difference between 'I' and 
'A' in blockwise visual mode clear to anyone else who might be reading 
this and doesn't know, 'I' will always insert in the position 
immediately before the selected block, whilst 'A' will always insert in 
the position immediately after the selected block and as Benji said, 
pressing '$' followed by 'A' whilst in blockwise visual mode will insert 
at the end of each line.

Sorry if no-one else cares:-)

Benji Fisher wrote:

On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:34:27AM +0200, Robert Cussons wrote:


Hi guys,

I knew about the Ctrl-V with I command, but have never used it with A. 
So out of interest I just tried it, but it appends at the next point in 
front of the cursor, not at the end of the line, as I expected A to act, 
I guess this is because you are in some way taking the A command from 
visual mode



 First, a slight correction:  it appends after the Visual selection.
If you start at the (upper or lower) left and move the cursor right (and
down or up), then this is the same as appending after the cursor.  It is
different if you start the Visual selection at the right and move left.

 Second, if you want to append at the ends of the lines, use $ (end
of line) while in Blockwise-Visual mode.

HTH     --Benji Fisher



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Re: Vertical selection

[Robert Cussons]

Hi guys,

I knew about the Ctrl-V with I command, but have never used it with A. 
So out of interest I just tried it, but it appends at the next point in 
front of the cursor, not at the end of the line, as I expected A to act, 
I guess this is because you are in some way taking the A command from 
visual mode


Gerald Lai wrote:

On Thu, 18 May 2006, John Love-Jensen wrote:


Hi Eddine,


Is it possible to make a vertical selection in a text, to have a
rectangular selection in the text ?
If so, how ?



Yes, you are looking for the Visual mode blockwise.

^V to initiate Visual mode blockwise.

Use movement keys to get to where you want the block to span.

Use y (yank) or x (cut) to put the block into the register (as a block)

Use p (put) to insert the register (as a block) into the buffer

For more info...

:help CTRL-V
:help '<
:help '>

There are probably a zillion variants and tricks with Visual mode 
blockwise.

I find that these simple ones suffice for all my needs.



One more extremely useful thing to do in Visual Block mode is to hit "I"
or "A" (capital) to insert/append the same text for all the lines that
have been selected.

--
Gerald



--
========
Robert Cussons
Office SB3 3.163, Theory Group
Gesellschaft für Schwerionenforschung mbH (GSI)
Planckstraße 1
64291 Darmstadt
Germany.

Tel: +49 (0)6159 71 2754
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Shell support in Vim?

[Robert Cussons]

Suresh Govindachar wrote:
  > Frank Terbeck wrote:  
  > Suresh Govindachar 
  >> Personally, the step mentioned below, viz., "moving the mouse

  >> to the xterm" is a _big_ pain.  As a user, what I like about
  >> the idea of a shell inside vim is the means to avoid the mouse.
  >>  in console vim does avoid the mouse but it doesn't allow
  >> simultaneous view and fast access of vim and the shell;  and
  >> the shell from  doesn't support commands supported by a
  >> vim buffer.  
  > 
  > Just use GNU screen .

  > There's no need for a mouse just to switch between vim and a
  > shell at all.
  
  Thanks, but I am on Windows.  Also, poking around in 
  https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/screen leads one to the 
  mailing list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gnu-screen which 
  has the notice:
  
   GNU screen is NOT developed any more.

   The maintainers only fix serious bugs.
  
  From the dates of the files, development on screen stopped 
  in Jan 2004.


  I suspect developing a terminal is a complex project.  
  
  - The rxvt shell from MinGW is not recommend by them for

general use (and does odd things when one uses it
generally);  


  - tcsh from Amol cannot run UnixUtils from
http://unxutils.sourceforge.net.  


  - There is someone who patches vim to support a shell but does
so only for Unix; he doesn't support it for Windows and I do
not know if he has gone beyond 6.3 or 6.4.

  --Suresh


  --Suresh



Hi Suresh,

it may be that I'm being dense, but what is the problem with Alt-Tab ing 
between windows to use both a console and gvim?

Re: swapping tab and escape

[Robert Cussons]

Hi All,

Matt kindly suggested this mapping for the above


inoremap  
nnoremap  
vnoremap  gV
inoremap  `^


but how would I add a mapping to make tab work as escape in the command 
line, also is there any loss of functionality making this mapping, I 
don't use tab in the command line, but does it do anything useful that I 
don't know about?


Thanks,
Rob.

Vim 7.0f BETA

[Robert Cussons]

Hi all,

Bram's last announcement mentioned:

- Added the feedkeys() function: put keys in the typeahead queue.

Is this something that has been just added in Vim 7.0 or is it added in 
the sense of it had been left out of Vim 7.0 by mistake and has now been 
added and more interestingly, what does it do?


Thanks,
Rob.

Re: swapping caps lock and escape

[Robert Cussons]

Thanks for the suggestions, at the moment I think, I like Gerhard's the 
most. I have created the file, and I'll just have to see tomorrow 
morning as I don't want to close everything and lock out and in again 
just now.

Thanks again for the help,
Rob.

Gerhard Siegesmund wrote:

Hello Robert


but this means that each time I have logged out, I have to remember to 
run xmodmap ~/.speedswapper (the name of the file) otherwise I start 
getting strange effects from running pressing K instead of k for example.



Does just renaming the file to 


.Xmodmap

in your home-directory help? Normally this file is load by default from
xmodmap on login.

If there already is a .Xmodmap-File, just add your lines from
speedswapper to that file.

HTH



--
========
Robert Cussons
Office SB3 3.163, Theory Group
Gesellschaft für Schwerionenforschung mbH (GSI)
Planckstraße 1
64291 Darmstadt
Germany.

Tel: +49 (0)6159 71 2754
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

swapping caps lock and escape

[Robert Cussons]

Hi everyone,

I at the moment have a little file that I got from somewhere, probably 
in the vim tips, that swaps caps lock and escape around this is it:


remove Lock = Caps_Lock
keysym Escape = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Escape
add Lock = Caps_Lock

but this means that each time I have logged out, I have to remember to 
run xmodmap ~/.speedswapper (the name of the file) otherwise I start 
getting strange effects from running pressing K instead of k for example.
I have tried including this in .bashrc and things to run automatically 
on login but couldn't get it to work, then I just thought this morning, 
it would be much more sensible to have it written into my .vimrc. Only 
trouble being I have no idea how to do this, answers on the back of a 
postcard to this address would be greatly appreciated (e-mail will do).

Many thanks,
Rob.