Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
Nothing wrong with the aesthetics of a nice, TextMate-like Cocoa project drawer. But isn't the idea of going back to having to use the mouse to navigate a project tree a huge step back for an advanced text editing environment such as (Mac)Vi(m)? It is obvious that the strictly text- based interface of Vim sacrifices a lot of the visual appeal of a GUI, but it does that precisely in order to boost productivity and efficiency. For me, the major benefit of using MacVim over Vim in a terminal is its integration with the Cocoa text system (fonts!), and other native OS X apps. (Oh, and let us not forget the full screen mode. WriteRoom, SchwriteRoom...) Otherwise, I tend to hide the toolbar and scroll- bars, and keep all other distractions at a minimum. OTOH, the debate about power-user, advanced text editors such as Vi(m) and *Emacs vs. the latest GUI improvements (whether we're talking '95 or '05 or '09) has been running for quite a few years, both in the Open and proprietary source code communities. And I think there is a good reason why these programs tend to eschew the latest GUI features in favour of their own productivity boosters. Finally, and despite its cool project drawer, bear in mind that TextMate itself was also designed rather differently from most common OS X apps (no toolbar, for instance, and keyboard accelerators for everything (snippets, etc.) except, *sigh*, the project drawer). Also, the TextMate interface is meant to be radically re-designed in the expected 2.x version, although only time will tell how it will develop. Just my view on the matter. Best, Kamen On Oct 8, 4:07 pm, Tobia Conforto tobia.confo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Björn and others Would it be simpler to just have a Cocoa drawer of open buffers? Much like the Buffers menu, except it wouldn't be a menu but a drawer. Tobia -- You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
I'd like to see a video if possible showing how it works. On 11月17日, 上午2時34分, Keyan key@googlemail.com wrote: hi, i am not sure if this was already discussed in this thread, but i use project.vim for several years now very successfully. it has its deficits, but one feature that makes it even better than project-drawers in IDEs such as eclipse, is that you can freely edit the project file. that means, you can rearrange the files in the way you like most, which obviously does not have to be alphabetical. i have project-files for all my projects, and i also have the drawer constantly open. cheers, keyan On 16 Nov 2009, at 19:30, jason wrote: The reason that I would like a drawer is because I want to have a project navigator always open. When looking at the tree, I can think faster about what files I need to be editing. I also forget the name of some files. I use nerdtree now, but I dont want to open a tree in my editor, I want it on the side always open. I just want to click on a file in the drawer and have it open. I think this would be a great plugin or option in macvim. On 10月12日, 下午3時40分, Matt Tolton m...@tolton.com wrote: There is a plugin architecture in MacVim that anyone can use to implement a project drawer. There's even a sample plugin which implements a very basic file browser drawer. Should be easily findable with a search over the archives. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Brendan brendanarn...@gmail.com wrote: Like Rui says 'Why not just use Vim on Terminal?' Having the project drawer as a Cocoa widget allows for NERDTree-like functionality without having to learn/remember any NERDTree commands. The mouse may not be the fastest way, but there is no/very little learning curve. Renaming files is (or should be) done the same way as in the Finder, moving files is done with drag and drop etc. Moreover, I may not want to navigate my entire filesystem in my text editor, the TextMate drawer allows you to drag your project folder from your desktop, say, drop in the drawer and just work within that. Brendan On Oct 8, 4:45 pm, Wayne Seguin wayneeseg...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just use NERDTree for this ? ~Wayne On Oct 08, 2009, at 11:07 , Tobia Conforto wrote: Hello Björn and others Would it be simpler to just have a Cocoa drawer of open buffers? Much like the Buffers menu, except it wouldn't be a menu but a drawer. Tobia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
hi, i am not sure if this was already discussed in this thread, but i use project.vim for several years now very successfully. it has its deficits, but one feature that makes it even better than project-drawers in IDEs such as eclipse, is that you can freely edit the project file. that means, you can rearrange the files in the way you like most, which obviously does not have to be alphabetical. i have project-files for all my projects, and i also have the drawer constantly open. cheers, keyan On 16 Nov 2009, at 19:30, jason wrote: The reason that I would like a drawer is because I want to have a project navigator always open. When looking at the tree, I can think faster about what files I need to be editing. I also forget the name of some files. I use nerdtree now, but I dont want to open a tree in my editor, I want it on the side always open. I just want to click on a file in the drawer and have it open. I think this would be a great plugin or option in macvim. On 10月12日, 下午3時40分, Matt Tolton m...@tolton.com wrote: There is a plugin architecture in MacVim that anyone can use to implement a project drawer. There's even a sample plugin which implements a very basic file browser drawer. Should be easily findable with a search over the archives. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Brendan brendanarn...@gmail.com wrote: Like Rui says 'Why not just use Vim on Terminal?' Having the project drawer as a Cocoa widget allows for NERDTree-like functionality without having to learn/remember any NERDTree commands. The mouse may not be the fastest way, but there is no/very little learning curve. Renaming files is (or should be) done the same way as in the Finder, moving files is done with drag and drop etc. Moreover, I may not want to navigate my entire filesystem in my text editor, the TextMate drawer allows you to drag your project folder from your desktop, say, drop in the drawer and just work within that. Brendan On Oct 8, 4:45 pm, Wayne Seguin wayneeseg...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just use NERDTree for this ? ~Wayne On Oct 08, 2009, at 11:07 , Tobia Conforto wrote: Hello Björn and others Would it be simpler to just have a Cocoa drawer of open buffers? Much like the Buffers menu, except it wouldn't be a menu but a drawer. Tobia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
The reason that I would like a drawer is because I want to have a project navigator always open. When looking at the tree, I can think faster about what files I need to be editing. I also forget the name of some files. I use nerdtree now, but I dont want to open a tree in my editor, I want it on the side always open. I just want to click on a file in the drawer and have it open. I think this would be a great plugin or option in macvim. On 10月12日, 下午3時40分, Matt Tolton m...@tolton.com wrote: There is a plugin architecture in MacVim that anyone can use to implement a project drawer. There's even a sample plugin which implements a very basic file browser drawer. Should be easily findable with a search over the archives. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Brendan brendanarn...@gmail.com wrote: Like Rui says 'Why not just use Vim on Terminal?' Having the project drawer as a Cocoa widget allows for NERDTree-like functionality without having to learn/remember any NERDTree commands. The mouse may not be the fastest way, but there is no/very little learning curve. Renaming files is (or should be) done the same way as in the Finder, moving files is done with drag and drop etc. Moreover, I may not want to navigate my entire filesystem in my text editor, the TextMate drawer allows you to drag your project folder from your desktop, say, drop in the drawer and just work within that. Brendan On Oct 8, 4:45 pm, Wayne Seguin wayneeseg...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just use NERDTree for this ? ~Wayne On Oct 08, 2009, at 11:07 , Tobia Conforto wrote: Hello Björn and others Would it be simpler to just have a Cocoa drawer of open buffers? Much like the Buffers menu, except it wouldn't be a menu but a drawer. Tobia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Steven Michalske smichal...@gmail.comwrote: On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Marcus Ferreira wrote: Caruso, Being more specific, more info and less space was meant as a font size issue. When editing files I use Monaco 12 on both MacVim and TextMate. When browsing my directory tree TextMate can display more files and dirs because of its smaller font on the drawer. I have the best idea... Make a cocoa drawer that can hold a vim buffer... Then we can add things like NERDTree and similar plugins to display in the drawer. NERDTree then can be configured to be a strict list of files that are your project, giving you a project drawer. Hardkrash Amazing idea. -- Marcus Vinicius Ferreira --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
I like the idea even though it begs to question the necessity of a drawer UI. gvim particularly respects the portability of the UI by keeping things like this to a minimum. I think this project should replace the Cocoa_Vim and features like this should be in a special branch. The problem is that one of the design goals is to keep vim as an editor only which is why such features as an in editor Browser have never been implemented. On Oct 12, 11:15 am, Marcus Ferreira ferreira...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Steven Michalske smichal...@gmail.comwrote: On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Marcus Ferreira wrote: Caruso, Being more specific, more info and less space was meant as a font size issue. When editing files I use Monaco 12 on both MacVim and TextMate. When browsing my directory tree TextMate can display more files and dirs because of its smaller font on the drawer. I have the best idea... Make a cocoa drawer that can hold a vim buffer... Then we can add things like NERDTree and similar plugins to display in the drawer. NERDTree then can be configured to be a strict list of files that are your project, giving you a project drawer. Hardkrash Amazing idea. -- Marcus Vinicius Ferreira --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
+1 I wanted one of those for quite some time. - Greg On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Marcus Ferreira ferreira...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Steven Michalske smichal...@gmail.comwrote: On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Marcus Ferreira wrote: Caruso, Being more specific, more info and less space was meant as a font size issue. When editing files I use Monaco 12 on both MacVim and TextMate. When browsing my directory tree TextMate can display more files and dirs because of its smaller font on the drawer. I have the best idea... Make a cocoa drawer that can hold a vim buffer... Then we can add things like NERDTree and similar plugins to display in the drawer. NERDTree then can be configured to be a strict list of files that are your project, giving you a project drawer. Hardkrash Amazing idea. -- Marcus Vinicius Ferreira -- Gregory Furmanek Website: http://www.furmanek.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
Like Rui says 'Why not just use Vim on Terminal?' Having the project drawer as a Cocoa widget allows for NERDTree-like functionality without having to learn/remember any NERDTree commands. The mouse may not be the fastest way, but there is no/very little learning curve. Renaming files is (or should be) done the same way as in the Finder, moving files is done with drag and drop etc. Moreover, I may not want to navigate my entire filesystem in my text editor, the TextMate drawer allows you to drag your project folder from your desktop, say, drop in the drawer and just work within that. Brendan On Oct 8, 4:45 pm, Wayne Seguin wayneeseg...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just use NERDTree for this ? ~Wayne On Oct 08, 2009, at 11:07 , Tobia Conforto wrote: Hello Björn and others Would it be simpler to just have a Cocoa drawer of open buffers? Much like the Buffers menu, except it wouldn't be a menu but a drawer. Tobia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
There is a plugin architecture in MacVim that anyone can use to implement a project drawer. There's even a sample plugin which implements a very basic file browser drawer. Should be easily findable with a search over the archives. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Brendan brendanarn...@gmail.com wrote: Like Rui says 'Why not just use Vim on Terminal?' Having the project drawer as a Cocoa widget allows for NERDTree-like functionality without having to learn/remember any NERDTree commands. The mouse may not be the fastest way, but there is no/very little learning curve. Renaming files is (or should be) done the same way as in the Finder, moving files is done with drag and drop etc. Moreover, I may not want to navigate my entire filesystem in my text editor, the TextMate drawer allows you to drag your project folder from your desktop, say, drop in the drawer and just work within that. Brendan On Oct 8, 4:45 pm, Wayne Seguin wayneeseg...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just use NERDTree for this ? ~Wayne On Oct 08, 2009, at 11:07 , Tobia Conforto wrote: Hello Björn and others Would it be simpler to just have a Cocoa drawer of open buffers? Much like the Buffers menu, except it wouldn't be a menu but a drawer. Tobia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Marcus Ferreira wrote: Caruso, Being more specific, more info and less space was meant as a font size issue. When editing files I use Monaco 12 on both MacVim and TextMate. When browsing my directory tree TextMate can display more files and dirs because of its smaller font on the drawer. I have the best idea... Make a cocoa drawer that can hold a vim buffer... Then we can add things like NERDTree and similar plugins to display in the drawer. NERDTree then can be configured to be a strict list of files that are your project, giving you a project drawer. Hardkrash --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
On Oct 8, 9:23 pm, Marcus Ferreira ferreira...@gmail.com wrote: NERDTree is great, but a cocoa drawer is more info More info? I used (I use, actually) both TextMate then MacVim. Which kind of more infos does provide the project drawer more then NERDTree? To me it seems the opposite since NERDTree it is also a file browser and provide you so much more infos at a glance thanks to the color scheme that differentiate folder from files, from images, it shows hidden files, it lets you even create bookmarks to retrieve projects immediately. in less space. What do you mean? You can resize NERDTree just like the drawer. You can put it to the left, to the right, you can set its width, you can put side by side with tags finder, and so on. Please, don't consider my opinion as polemic in any way, it is just that I can't understand your assertions due to my experience with NERDTree. I am using MacVim from to less time to be considered an expert, and initially I found it a bit… hmm… different. The lack of a project drawer left me a little bit disoriented. Later, thanks to the great community behind Vim and MacVim I discovered NERDTree (and a lot of other plugins, colorschemes, settings etc.) and now I can get and accomplish so much more in MacVim/NERDTree then in the obsolete project drawer in TextMate. Really, give it a try, NERDTree is all you just need to navigate/ create files, navigate/create projects, browse your Mac, etc. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
On Oct 09, 2009, at 09:19 , caruso_g wrote: On Oct 8, 9:23 pm, Marcus Ferreira ferreira...@gmail.com wrote: NERDTree is great, but a cocoa drawer is more info More info? I used (I use, actually) both TextMate then MacVim. Which kind of more infos does provide the project drawer more then NERDTree? To me it seems the opposite since NERDTree it is also a file browser and provide you so much more infos at a glance thanks to the color scheme that differentiate folder from files, from images, it shows hidden files, it lets you even create bookmarks to retrieve projects immediately. in less space. What do you mean? You can resize NERDTree just like the drawer. You can put it to the left, to the right, you can set its width, you can put side by side with tags finder, and so on. Please, don't consider my opinion as polemic in any way, it is just that I can't understand your assertions due to my experience with NERDTree. I am using MacVim from to less time to be considered an expert, and initially I found it a bit… hmm… different. The lack of a project drawer left me a little bit disoriented. Later, thanks to the great community behind Vim and MacVim I discovered NERDTree (and a lot of other plugins, colorschemes, settings etc.) and now I can get and accomplish so much more in MacVim/NERDTree then in the obsolete project drawer in TextMate. Really, give it a try, NERDTree is all you just need to navigate/ create files, navigate/create projects, browse your Mac, etc. I honestly could not sum up my thoughts on this issue better than this. Excellent points. ~Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
Personally, I think that NERDTree is kind of inefficient. I'd recommend something like lusty explorer for efficient file browsing and buffer switching: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1890 On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Wayne Seguin wayneeseg...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 09, 2009, at 09:19 , caruso_g wrote: On Oct 8, 9:23 pm, Marcus Ferreira ferreira...@gmail.com wrote: NERDTree is great, but a cocoa drawer is more info More info? I used (I use, actually) both TextMate then MacVim. Which kind of more infos does provide the project drawer more then NERDTree? To me it seems the opposite since NERDTree it is also a file browser and provide you so much more infos at a glance thanks to the color scheme that differentiate folder from files, from images, it shows hidden files, it lets you even create bookmarks to retrieve projects immediately. in less space. What do you mean? You can resize NERDTree just like the drawer. You can put it to the left, to the right, you can set its width, you can put side by side with tags finder, and so on. Please, don't consider my opinion as polemic in any way, it is just that I can't understand your assertions due to my experience with NERDTree. I am using MacVim from to less time to be considered an expert, and initially I found it a bit… hmm… different. The lack of a project drawer left me a little bit disoriented. Later, thanks to the great community behind Vim and MacVim I discovered NERDTree (and a lot of other plugins, colorschemes, settings etc.) and now I can get and accomplish so much more in MacVim/NERDTree then in the obsolete project drawer in TextMate. Really, give it a try, NERDTree is all you just need to navigate/ create files, navigate/create projects, browse your Mac, etc. I honestly could not sum up my thoughts on this issue better than this. Excellent points. ~Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
2009/10/9 Matt Tolton: Personally, I think that NERDTree is kind of inefficient. I'd recommend something like lusty explorer for efficient file browsing and buffer switching: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1890 That is really neat! I never got into using NERDTree for some reason or other but this script is immediately obvious how to use and it feels snappy. Thanks for the tip Matt! Björn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
The advantage of a project drawer would -- in my opinion -- be that this drawer will be open all the time, regardless in which tab I currently work in. With NERDTree you need to reopen NERDTree for every tab you use. This is basically the same thing with taglist, it works great, it would just be perfect if it stayed open for all tabs, not just in one. my 5eurocents ;) 2009/10/9 caruso_g peppecar...@gmail.com: On Oct 8, 9:23 pm, Marcus Ferreira ferreira...@gmail.com wrote: NERDTree is great, but a cocoa drawer is more info More info? I used (I use, actually) both TextMate then MacVim. Which kind of more infos does provide the project drawer more then NERDTree? To me it seems the opposite since NERDTree it is also a file browser and provide you so much more infos at a glance thanks to the color scheme that differentiate folder from files, from images, it shows hidden files, it lets you even create bookmarks to retrieve projects immediately. in less space. What do you mean? You can resize NERDTree just like the drawer. You can put it to the left, to the right, you can set its width, you can put side by side with tags finder, and so on. Please, don't consider my opinion as polemic in any way, it is just that I can't understand your assertions due to my experience with NERDTree. I am using MacVim from to less time to be considered an expert, and initially I found it a bit… hmm… different. The lack of a project drawer left me a little bit disoriented. Later, thanks to the great community behind Vim and MacVim I discovered NERDTree (and a lot of other plugins, colorschemes, settings etc.) and now I can get and accomplish so much more in MacVim/NERDTree then in the obsolete project drawer in TextMate. Really, give it a try, NERDTree is all you just need to navigate/ create files, navigate/create projects, browse your Mac, etc. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
Caruso, Being more specific, more info and less space was meant as a font size issue. When editing files I use Monaco 12 on both MacVim and TextMate. When browsing my directory tree TextMate can display more files and dirs because of its smaller font on the drawer. When I am working with my MacBook, using a second 22 monitor, developing with MacVim is great. When I am on the move, using only one display, I lost a lot of display area because it is not possible to set NERDTree font to be a different one from the rest of my MacVim buffers. In this regard, TextMate serves me better because I can see more files of my current project in less space. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:19 AM, caruso_g peppecar...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 8, 9:23 pm, Marcus Ferreira ferreira...@gmail.com wrote: NERDTree is great, but a cocoa drawer is more info More info? I used (I use, actually) both TextMate then MacVim. Which kind of more infos does provide the project drawer more then NERDTree? To me it seems the opposite since NERDTree it is also a file browser and provide you so much more infos at a glance thanks to the color scheme that differentiate folder from files, from images, it shows hidden files, it lets you even create bookmarks to retrieve projects immediately. in less space. What do you mean? You can resize NERDTree just like the drawer. You can put it to the left, to the right, you can set its width, you can put side by side with tags finder, and so on. Please, don't consider my opinion as polemic in any way, it is just that I can't understand your assertions due to my experience with NERDTree. I am using MacVim from to less time to be considered an expert, and initially I found it a bit… hmm… different. The lack of a project drawer left me a little bit disoriented. Later, thanks to the great community behind Vim and MacVim I discovered NERDTree (and a lot of other plugins, colorschemes, settings etc.) and now I can get and accomplish so much more in MacVim/NERDTree then in the obsolete project drawer in TextMate. Really, give it a try, NERDTree is all you just need to navigate/ create files, navigate/create projects, browse your Mac, etc. -- Marcus Vinicius Ferreira --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
Hello Björn and others Would it be simpler to just have a Cocoa drawer of open buffers? Much like the Buffers menu, except it wouldn't be a menu but a drawer. Tobia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
Why not just use NERDTree for this ? ~Wayne On Oct 08, 2009, at 11:07 , Tobia Conforto wrote: Hello Björn and others Would it be simpler to just have a Cocoa drawer of open buffers? Much like the Buffers menu, except it wouldn't be a menu but a drawer. Tobia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
We could also ask Why not just use Vim on Terminal?. The reason why I think a project drawer would be useful is more or less the reason why sometimes I use MacVim instead of Vim. Rui Gonçalves On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Wayne Seguin wayneeseg...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just use NERDTree for this ? ~Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
NERDTree is great, but a cocoa drawer is more info in less space. It would a very nice option. Marcus On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Seguin wayneeseg...@gmail.comwrote: Why not just use NERDTree for this ? ~Wayne On Oct 08, 2009, at 11:07 , Tobia Conforto wrote: Hello Björn and others Would it be simpler to just have a Cocoa drawer of open buffers? Much like the Buffers menu, except it wouldn't be a menu but a drawer. Tobia -- Marcus Vinicius Ferreira --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
2009/8/18 Joseph Kocherhans: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Vladimir Penkin wired.mu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I just wondering is it possible to implement such cool feature of textmate like Project Drawer in Vim? I think this will be a great feature. But I don't know is it possible. Thanks Björn for a great job. I really love MacVim. There is a Cocoa plugin architecture in MacVim, though I'm not sure what the status is. I couldn't find much by googling or reading the changelogs. Maybe someone else can shed some light on where this ended up, or if it is likely to stay? As far as I can tell, those patches, or something similar made it into the code. http://groups.google.com/group/vim_mac/msg/0e8d7a72642d8864?pli=1 http://www.nabble.com/File-browser-plugin-td18300407.html I don't know the status either. This was Matt's project and I was hoping some would catch on to it but it seems to have been forgotten. This idea of a project drawer seems to come up quite often. The only problem here is that I have never used TextMate so I cannot even begin to guess what's so great about this feature (which NERDTree etc. can't handle [for the record: I don't use this plugin either, but as far as I can tell it does pretty much the same thing]). For this reason I don't think I am the right person to be working on such a feature. What I am saying is this: if anybody wants this feature then a) try to use the plugin architecture to implement it as a plugin; this would probably require that you work on the plugin architecture as well since it is _not_ mature. I'll merge improvements to the plugin arch. though so your work will be appreciated (by me at the very least). b) fork MacVim.git and hack away without using the plugin stuff; probably easier than (a) but I do not think I'd want to merge such code into mainline...I'd like to relegate this type of non-essential feature to a plugin. Remember that MacVim is still Vim (not TextMate/Xcode/.. or an IDE) and I want to keep it that way. I'll spell it out: I do not like option (b) but option (a) I think would be great. Finally, this is not a trivial task due to the difficulty in communicating with Vim (via Distributed Objects). There may be a quite a few pitfalls. Good luck, Björn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
I will try to implement this, this is very interesting for me. I will report if there will be any progress On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:59 AM, björn bjorn.winck...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/18 Joseph Kocherhans: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Vladimir Penkin wired.mu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I just wondering is it possible to implement such cool feature of textmate like Project Drawer in Vim? I think this will be a great feature. But I don't know is it possible. Thanks Björn for a great job. I really love MacVim. There is a Cocoa plugin architecture in MacVim, though I'm not sure what the status is. I couldn't find much by googling or reading the changelogs. Maybe someone else can shed some light on where this ended up, or if it is likely to stay? As far as I can tell, those patches, or something similar made it into the code. http://groups.google.com/group/vim_mac/msg/0e8d7a72642d8864?pli=1 http://www.nabble.com/File-browser-plugin-td18300407.html I don't know the status either. This was Matt's project and I was hoping some would catch on to it but it seems to have been forgotten. This idea of a project drawer seems to come up quite often. The only problem here is that I have never used TextMate so I cannot even begin to guess what's so great about this feature (which NERDTree etc. can't handle [for the record: I don't use this plugin either, but as far as I can tell it does pretty much the same thing]). For this reason I don't think I am the right person to be working on such a feature. What I am saying is this: if anybody wants this feature then a) try to use the plugin architecture to implement it as a plugin; this would probably require that you work on the plugin architecture as well since it is _not_ mature. I'll merge improvements to the plugin arch. though so your work will be appreciated (by me at the very least). b) fork MacVim.git and hack away without using the plugin stuff; probably easier than (a) but I do not think I'd want to merge such code into mainline...I'd like to relegate this type of non-essential feature to a plugin. Remember that MacVim is still Vim (not TextMate/Xcode/.. or an IDE) and I want to keep it that way. I'll spell it out: I do not like option (b) but option (a) I think would be great. Finally, this is not a trivial task due to the difficulty in communicating with Vim (via Distributed Objects). There may be a quite a few pitfalls. Good luck, Björn -- I'm only noise in the wires --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
Yes I use NERDtree right now, but I thought that have a shiny cocoa project drawer with a vim functional will be great. This will be much greate if we could use vim bindings in it. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:20 PM, dacresni vivacar...@gmail.com wrote: so your not depending on a gui, there is NERDtree. http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1658 not that I have anything against the GUI but I always thought of this program as the Camino of the Firefox Community On Aug 17, 2:17 pm, Vladimir Penkin wired.mu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I just wondering is it possible to implement such cool feature of textmate like Project Drawer in Vim? I think this will be a great feature. But I don't know is it possible. Thanks Björn for a great job. I really love MacVim. -- I'm only noise in the wires --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Project drawer like in TextMate
Hello all. I just wondering is it possible to implement such cool feature of textmate like Project Drawer in Vim? I think this will be a great feature. But I don't know is it possible. Thanks Björn for a great job. I really love MacVim. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Project drawer like in TextMate
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Vladimir Penkin wired.mu...@gmail.comwrote: Hello all. I just wondering is it possible to implement such cool feature of textmate like Project Drawer in Vim? I think this will be a great feature. But I don't know is it possible. Thanks Björn for a great job. I really love MacVim. There is a Cocoa plugin architecture in MacVim, though I'm not sure what the status is. I couldn't find much by googling or reading the changelogs. Maybe someone else can shed some light on where this ended up, or if it is likely to stay? As far as I can tell, those patches, or something similar made it into the code. http://groups.google.com/group/vim_mac/msg/0e8d7a72642d8864?pli=1 http://www.nabble.com/File-browser-plugin-td18300407.html Joseph --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_mac maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
