Re: changing what counts as a paragraph
Hello Gene, i am surprised that - especially in this discussion - your lines seem to be not wrapped ;) snip: Understood, but those who *can't* bottom-post (eg, on Berries) can say so, and for a while at least, that can be forgiven, ie, use a normal computer next time. Berries are nice for, Ooh, lemme check my email now and send replies about any pressing matters, *not* usually, Hmmm, I think I'll ask about deleting buffers on the vim list Past a certain point, though, patience can run out. greetings jan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: vi-improved.com
Thanks for reporting the problem, even though I prefer to see a real name in a message like this. Why? Folks, could we please reduce the meta chat. Most good advice on this list comes from people who have no need to be here, and who have expressed a preference for bottom posting and not wasting Bram's time. While even the experienced Vimmer will occasionally learn something, and it's all interesting, those who regularly answer questions could very easily get by without needing to participate. Accordingly, I ask that we get back to Vim (although chat about the Vim T-shirt of course is welcome). Resist the temptation to add more comments. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
cppchecker annotation in vim
Hi, I just discovered the program cppchecker and wondered, is there anyway the lines, where cppchecker finds something, can be highlighted in gvim (does a plugin for this exists). google revealed nothing ... Thanks! Nathan -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
omnicppcomplete not completing this-
Hi, I installed omnicppcomplete using this: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/C%2B%2B_code_completion Now, I am in my Project and press C-F12 to rebuild tags (and I can see the tags file). Then I am in a member function of a class and type this- Omnocomplete says: Pattern not found is there something I missed? Thanks! Nathan -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Multi character marks
Hello, I was wondering if multi-character mark-identifiers can be used instead of single characters such as upper or lower case letters. Regards, Pankaj A Deshpande. -- Click for exclusive coverage on the New Bajaj Pulsar 220 the fastest Indian bike http://www.zigwheels.com/Features/Bajaj-Pulsar-220-DTSi-Special-Coverage/Pulsar_20090623-1-1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need help to design Vim T-shirts
So looks like the most widely shared opinion favors a simple logo with something vimmie in the back. I'll ask the design team what can be done to offer T-shirts and polos with the same design, and tell them to start sketching some more polished designs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need help to design Vim T-shirts
On Sep 9, 11:35 pm, Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado raul...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the link. I don't trust parcel services, since they deliver the parcel to the first one that signs the receipt. Usually, a good neighbour, but... SEUR has delivered packages sent to me to at least three neighbours, for example. I no longer pay anything in advance if it is to be delivered using a parcel service, just in case it is delivered to a neighbour that prefers to keep the package... Nacex has done the same a couple of times, but otherwise they work a tiny little bit better than SEUR (which probably is the worst parcel service in Spain). I think we haven't had any problem with Nacex, but anyway with Nacex we offer the possibility to pay with COD (unlike with Correos, it would be madness, we already tried) Are you from Spain? From Vigo :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Vim and Dvorak keyboard
Hello! Since I do a lot of typing, some people recommend that I move to Dvorak keyboard. I also use the Vim editor, which seems to be 'designed' to qwerty keyboard. I would like to know what Vim users think about Dvorak keyboard. How does these two fit together? Those who do use Vim with Dvorak keyboard, have you made some special configurations with your editor? Thanks for your time! Tuomas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: XML editing
On Sep 10, 4:14 am, David Fishburn dfishburn@gmail.com wrote: HTH, Dave Dave, thanks for the reply. It did help me. :-) Tuomas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vi-improved.com
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:05 AM, John Beckett johnb.beck...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, could we please reduce the meta chat. Most good advice on this list comes from people who have no need to be here, True. and who have expressed a preference for bottom posting Red herring. Posting preference has no influence on how much help one can provide. and not wasting Bram's time. This, I take exception to. I was merely engaging Bram on a comment he made. While even the experienced Vimmer will occasionally learn something, and it's all interesting, those who regularly answer questions could very easily get by without needing to participate. True, and the fact that they do is why they are recognized for their contributions. Nothing requires they participate in the meta-conversation or even pay any attention to it. Fuzzy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Vim and Dvorak keyboard
I do not use a Dvorak keyboard myself, but I do recall a conversation about using one, and a quick search yielded http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Using_Vim_with_the_Dvorak_keyboard_layout On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Tuomas tuo...@yahoo.com wrote: Since I do a lot of typing, some people recommend that I move to Dvorak keyboard. I also use the Vim editor, which seems to be 'designed' to qwerty keyboard. I would like to know what Vim users think about Dvorak keyboard. How does these two fit together? Those who do use Vim with Dvorak keyboard, have you made some special configurations with your editor? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Vim and Dvorak keyboard
Since I do a lot of typing, some people recommend that I move to Dvorak keyboard. I also use the Vim editor, which seems to be 'designed' to qwerty keyboard. Hi learned dvorak. I didn't change anyhting. So hkjkl etr aro on different keys now. You need some training to learn it. But it can be done. It will take up to two month until you reach your current speed using dvorak. Also make sure that you you *always* have the same keyboard layout using a workspace. Eg on Windows you can switch per window. However I noticed that it took more time remembering which setting I had assigned to which window than doing the typing :-) Depending on your typing needs you also should know about :abbrev ctrl-n mappings etc. They can save you typing as well. But you probably already know about them. Don't forget: You'll continue typing for years. And using one layout onnly will naturally stress some fingers more than others. So switching occasionally can be a good thing. I don't have a proof for that. Its a feeling only. Maybe using a good keyboard makes a bigger difference for the fingers ? Personally I don't regret having learned dvorak. Sincerly Marc Weber --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Why the MACRO I defined can not highlight?
2009/9/10 stone lbzha...@gmail.com: Hi. vim_use I use GVIM in windows to edit C/C++ program, But the MACRO and ENUM I have defined can not highlight. I have set the : sy on and sy enable in my vimrc file. There's no built in support for highlighting your own macros and enums etc. Have a look at my plugin (http://sites.google.com/site/abudden/contents/Vim-Scripts/ctags-highlighting), which adds this feature (using ctags). If you have any problems getting it setup, please let me know. Al -- http://sites.google.com/site/abudden --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Vim and Dvorak keyboard
On Sep 10, 6:12 am, Tuomas tuo...@yahoo.com wrote: Since I do a lot of typing, some people recommend that I move to Dvorak keyboard. I also use the Vim editor, which seems to be 'designed' to qwerty keyboard. I would like to know what Vim users think about Dvorak keyboard. How does these two fit together? Those who do use Vim with Dvorak keyboard, have you made some special configurations with your editor? I have been using a Dvorak keyboard layout for several years now. I have been using Vim for a little over two years. My experience with Dvorak in general has been nothing but positive. My hands no longer get sore after long typing sessions, and I'm typing about 3 times faster than I did on QWERTY (though it took a while to get there). As for Vim being designed for QWERTY, I think that's nothing but a common misconception. I put off trying Vim for years because people told me that. As it turns out, the only keys I can with full confidence say were designed for QWERTY are the hjkl basic movement keys. But on US-Dvorak at least, I actually found it easier to learn these commands that I believe I would have in QWERTY, because jk (down/ up) are both pressed with the left hand, whereas hl (left/right) are pressed with the right hand, giving a logical separation between the two. You, having already learned Vim, will require some time to adjust to the new layout, but that's true for typing in general, not just Vim. Other commonly used keys like w, B, e, t, F, etc. are easily remembered by what they do, and are no harder to reach on Dvorak. /, ^, etc. don't change much either. You WILL find that you use DIFFERENT commands with a Dvorak layout, for example I use _ instead of ^, since it is much easier to reach on Dvorak. And I'm not saying you won't find yourself typing painfully slow for a few weeks or more. But afterwards, I think the rewards are worth it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Vim and Dvorak keyboard
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Fuzzy Logic fuzz...@gmail.com wrote: I do not use a Dvorak keyboard myself, but I do recall a conversation about using one, and a quick search yielded http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Using_Vim_with_the_Dvorak_keyboard_layout This reminds me of something I have wondered about. Although I am right-handed, I imagine that left-handed people must find the hjkl keys impractical. Is there an easy mapping for them? And what happens to the mnemonic of f=find g=go d=delete? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Vim and Dvorak keyboard
My experience with Dvorak in general has been nothing but positive. My hands no longer get sore after long typing sessions, and I'm typing about 3 times faster than I did on QWERTY (though it took a while to get there). Maybe Have a look at http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/Dvorak/ and jump to headline My Own Experience. quotes: Was making the switch worth it? Yes, because of the ergonomic benefits. For a period of four or five years, I used the qwerty layout at work (on a shared DOS computer), and the Dvorak layout at home, spending about half of my typing time on each. During that time, my Dvorak speed increased to 90 wpm, and my qwerty speed reached 80 wpm. My accuracy improved slightly on both layouts. On the Dvorak layout, my most common typos are reversing two letters, whereas on the qwerty layout, it's more common for me to hit the wrong key altogether. I think I read that dvorak can make you about 15% faster. This is similar to the results above. So I guess that Ben would have gotten faster using qwerty as well :-) Ben: Have you already been a good typist when switching to dvorak? Sincerly Marc W --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: changing what counts as a paragraph
Point out the list's convention, suggest not too subtly that doing so will get answers vs being ignored, and most likely, problem solved. Get an argument why top-posting should be acceptable, and the person then gets ignored. Although I think more or less like you, I wouldn't impose such policy on the list, because it's impossible to enforce unless you ban people, and Doesn't have to be officially enforced by any moderator or anything, just by the community-at-large. If they choose to ignore top-posters, the top-posters either adapt or go away with unanswered questions. If some people resign themselves to having top-posters still pollute the list and answer their queries and otherwise engage in conversation with them, I have no problem with that, either, because *I* can still choose which posts to read and optionally answer. If that means that TPers only would get responses from an audience of 10 vs 500, so be it. Hell, if only Chip, Tony, Tim, and a few other prolific answerers would adopt that as their own policy, to ignore TPers, that would probably take care of about 80% of possible replies. :D that's a thing I don't like to do. If you ban a stupid person, he becomes a martyr, but if you let him stay, sooner or later he is ignored by everyone on the list. Much better on the long term... Yeah, absolutely. I'm very libertarian, and dislike moderation in general unless someone's being actively disruptive to the list (spammers, flamers, etc.), so I wouldn't even consider banning anyone just for TPing. But if garish html emails, attachments, etc., were to be banned as part of official list policy (message-size considerations, readability issues[1], etc.), then anyone who would willfully ignore those guidelines might very well warrant banishment from the list. [1] Blind folx who use text-to-speech modules can have garbage coming out of the speaker with html emails, so some lists (not for a *visual* editor, naturally) do in fact ban html emails, rich-text, and so on. Exactly. Usually, though, when I see a reply above quoted text, I just skip to the next one. A newbie wouldn't be posting an initial query to an existing post, so chances are good the person's just willfully ignoring the convention. So I skip/ignore it. I think the same and I do the same. I still haven't seen a newbie whose first message is a top-posted reply. There probably be such messages, but I haven't noticed them. Usually, though, someone else would grex about screwing up threading, etc., so that's usually taken care of on its own. :D I just don't have the time/patience/desire to be annoyed. Some people sign up to the list to learn things (as I did), to ask questions (fine, but follow the conventions of the list), and even to help others by answering their questions. The last is an act of generosity. Right. It is giving your free time away to others, and time is very valuable. Most top-posters I know use that style because it is faster. I do try to return the favor when someone would help me out with one issue or another, so I don't mind. I don't go crazy with scripting, etc., so those questions are out of my league, and I don't use 'netrw', 'cygwin', etc., so those questions I can't answer, either, but if somoene asks how to turn ABC into XYZ and such, other things I've played around with, yeah, I'll jump in and help. Just don't make the query post and replies painful to read, or I'll just skip past them. OK, they value their time, but since MY time is for me much more valuable than any other's time, I choose to ignore such messages, thus saving MY time. Exactly. I know someone in tech-support who had people in the office require computer servicing (drive crash, more memory, etc.), and they make *zero* attempt to clean off the crap from their desks or give him access to the computer (eg, piles of crap blocking the way when the main box is on the floor). He'll take one look, tell them to clean it off so he could get to the machine and call him back when it's done. Should they refuse, he'll just start hauling off all the crap and purposely drop it in one pile: papers from multiple nicely-ordered stacks (oops! they all got mooshed together and all the papers fell out of those folders!), pictures, doo-dads, paperweights, etc., and just dump them in one corner of the office on the floor. He's in tech-support, *not* a redecorator or mover. And he'll leave that pile there, because they usually know enough that should they insist they put it back, things will likely end up even more scrambled and in even worse shape when he puts them back on the desk. And I absolutely agree with him. He's doing them the favor (even if it's his job), but shouldn't have to do *additional* work just because they're lazy. Some of them expect him to not only nicely move the crap off their desks, but also, while the stuff is off and the desk is exposed, take a dustrag and spray and
RE: changing what counts as a paragraph
i am surprised that - especially in this discussion - your lines seem to be not wrapped ;) That surprised me. too. Usually, no, make that *always*, in the past, some preprocessor or whatever automagically reformatted the lines to fit the list, sometimes even ending up in those B'harni-awful long/short/long/short/... lines after I 'gqap' them. Something ecidently changed, on the list or here, dunno. Crap, it just did it again to the post I sent off a few minutes ago. Sorry about that. Wellp, just did a cp and 'gqap'ed those paras above. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Multi character marks
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Pankaj Deshpande pankaj.deshpa...@indiatimes.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if multi-character mark-identifiers can be used instead of single characters such as upper or lower case letters. There is no built-in support for it. Are you are needing that because you are needing more marks than what can be achieved with single letters? It seems like your motivation is either bookmarking (for longterm use) or highlighting lines (with something like showmarks plugin). If you are specific on what you are trying to achieve, you might be able to get more help. -- Hari Regards, Pankaj A Deshpande. -- Click for exclusive coverage on the New Bajaj Pulsar 220 the fastest Indian bike http://www.zigwheels.com/Features/Bajaj-Pulsar-220-DTSi-Special-Coverage/Pulsar_20090623-1-1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What are the consoles that work with FocusGained/FocusLost?
I am _very_ curious about that. Since I am totally unable to find more details, either on the doc or on the web, I got the vim source code from cvs, and used cvs annotate to see who wrote this part of runtime/doc/autocmd.txt. According to the log, it's vimboss. Do you know him? Is that Bram Moolenaar or am I mistaken? Sorry if I am annoying :D --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Vim and Dvorak keyboard
On Sep 10, 9:46 am, Efraim Yawitz efraim.yaw...@gmail.com wrote: And what happens to the mnemonic of f=find g=go d=delete? I forgot to mention, but I do NOT have any Dvorak-specific mappings in my .vimrc, and I think it would be a bad idea to do so. So, f=find, g=go, d=delete still applies. The keys are just in different positions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Vim and Dvorak keyboard
On Sep 10, 10:11 am, Marc Weber marco-owe...@gmx.de wrote: Was making the switch worth it? Yes, because of the ergonomic benefits. This is the exact same reason I switched. My father had RSI so bad he required surgery. Typing was always a big problem for him, and being an electrical engineer he did a lot of it. When I started studying computer engineering I decided I didn't want to have the same problem. Someone told me of the ergonomic benefits of Dvorak, so I tried it out with great results, as I mentioned. For a period of four or five years, I used the qwerty layout at work (on a shared DOS computer), and the Dvorak layout at home, spending about half of my typing time on each. During that time, my Dvorak speed increased to 90 wpm, and my qwerty speed reached 80 wpm. My accuracy improved slightly on both layouts. On the Dvorak layout, my most common typos are reversing two letters, whereas on the qwerty layout, it's more common for me to hit the wrong key altogether. I have about the same experience I think, with the exception of the reach keys for my right pinky finger, L, /, =, and \. Other than that, my main problems on Dvorak are swapping letters, whereas with QWERTY I would often hit the wrong key entirely. I think I read that dvorak can make you about 15% faster. This is similar to the results above. So I guess that Ben would have gotten faster using qwerty as well :-) Ben: Have you already been a good typist when switching to dvorak? I may have been able to get faster with QWERTY, don't know. I was already a fairly decent touch-typist in QWERTY when I switched, but with widely varying speed and not very great accuracy, which probably affected my measured speed significantly. Speed tests I took online varied from 25 to 40 WPM. This was just over 4 years ago, sometime during college. Using Dvorak these days, I consistently type at 75 WPM or higher according to the same speed tests. My actual day-to-day typing speed may be very different of course. But as I said, my reason for the switch was not typing speed. That was just a pleasant side effect. 15% sounds about right on average, and in my opinion a speed enhancement is not a good reason to switch by itself. Combined with ergonomics and accuracy improvements though, it was enough for me. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: XML editing
Hi Tuomas, When you are using closetag.vim you can add: imap / C-_ to your .vimrc and / should do what you originally wanted. Rafał. 2009/9/10 T_P tuo...@yahoo.com: On Sep 10, 4:14 am, David Fishburn dfishburn@gmail.com wrote: HTH, Dave Dave, thanks for the reply. It did help me. :-) Tuomas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: changing what counts as a paragraph
Saluton Gene :) Gene Kwiecinski g...@dclab.com skribis: Hell, if only Chip, Tony, Tim, and a few other prolific answerers would adopt that as their own policy, to ignore TPers, that would probably take care of about 80% of possible replies. :D That's true XDDD I just don't have the time/patience/desire to be annoyed. Some people sign up to the list to learn things (as I did), to ask questions (fine, but follow the conventions of the list), and even to help others by answering their questions. The last is an act of generosity. Right. It is giving your free time away to others, and time is very valuable. Most top-posters I know use that style because it is faster. I do try to return the favor when someone would help me out with one issue or another, so I don't mind. I don't go crazy with scripting, etc., so those questions are out of my league, and I don't use 'netrw', 'cygwin', etc., so those questions I can't answer, either, but if somoene asks how to turn ABC into XYZ and such, other things I've played around with, yeah, I'll jump in and help. Just don't make the query post and replies painful to read, or I'll just skip past them. That's the key: time is limited even when you only reply to a subset of the messages and that subset is extremely small. As you, most of the doubts posted in the list are definitely out of my league, but I try my best to help whenever I can. This said, I don't have lots of spare time, so I can lose time trying to make sense of a topposted thread or things like that. It's almost exactly the equivalent situation. People who want/need help make zero attempt to make things easier for the person who's to help them. It's a bit worse than the example you gave, since the tech guy is doing a paid job and some clueless people may think he is paid to do their laundry. In this case, Vim is for free, help is for free, so making things easier for the people that will help you is a must, IMHO. But, enough venting for me XD -- Raúl DervishD Núñez de Arenas Coronado Linux Registered User 88736 | http://www.dervishd.net It's my PC and I'll cry if I want to... RAmen! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What are the consoles that work with FocusGained/FocusLost?
Saluton Christophe-Marie :) Christophe-Marie Duquesne c...@gmail.com skribis: I am _very_ curious about that. Since I am totally unable to find more details, either on the doc or on the web, I got the vim source code from cvs, and used cvs annotate to see who wrote this part of runtime/doc/autocmd.txt. According to the log, it's vimboss. Do you know him? Is that Bram Moolenaar or am I mistaken? It's Bram ;) And you may try vim_dev, just in case they know. I haven't read the sources for FocusGain/FocusLost handling, but they may give you a hint about which consoles support that. -- Raúl DervishD Núñez de Arenas Coronado Linux Registered User 88736 | http://www.dervishd.net It's my PC and I'll cry if I want to... RAmen! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vi-improved.com
Fuzzy Logic wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Bram Moolenaar b...@moolenaar.net wrote: Thanks for reporting the problem, even though I prefer to see a real name in a message like this. Why? Because I like to read and write messages from/to a real person. Not someone hiding behind a fake name. It gives me the impression there is something to hide. It's a matter of politeness. Also, my spam filters may discard messages that don't look like they come from a real person. Note that I do not accept scripts, code and anything else that goes in the Vim distribution from people without a real name for copyright reasons. I should actually ask for written and signed permission for redistribution, with disclaimers and perhaps a copy of an official ID, but that's taking it too far. Got away with it until now. -- I noticed my daughter's Disney-net password on a sticky note: MickeyMinnieGoofyPluto. I asked her why it was so long. Because they say it has to have at least four characters. /// Bram Moolenaar -- b...@moolenaar.net -- http://www.Moolenaar.net \\\ ///sponsor Vim, vote for features -- http://www.Vim.org/sponsor/ \\\ \\\download, build and distribute -- http://www.A-A-P.org/// \\\help me help AIDS victims -- http://ICCF-Holland.org/// --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What are the consoles that work with FocusGained/FocusLost?
On Sep 10, 12:35 am, Christophe-Marie Duquesne chm.duque...@gmail.com wrote: but in the meantime I am trying not to use gvim. Why? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: changing what counts as a paragraph
if only Chip, Tony, Tim, and a few other prolific answerers would adopt that as their own policy, to ignore TPers, that would probably take care of about 80% of possible replies. :D If it's a direct question regarding my reply, I tend to rejigger top-posting on the first instance (hey, copying into Vim makes it fairly easy) with a warning. Subsequent TPing in the thread or TP replies to somebody else's posts tend to get ignored pretty regularly unless it's a particularly tantalizing topic. Cocky repeat offenders that ignore warnings get unceremoniously plonked. So far I've only had to plonk a handful of folks from the Vim ML. As for HTML mail, I have Thunderbird (and Outlook at work) configured to only display plain-text, and I have a filter in place that flags mail over 9kb (most HTML mail) from unknown senders as junk. If the offender's mail fails to include plain-text, it shows up as empty and I just delete it. If they do bloat it out to include both a plain-text and an HTML version, it's liable to get dumped in my Junk folder where I may or may not notice/care. But if garish html emails, attachments, etc., were to be banned as part of official list policy (message-size considerations, readability issues[1], etc.), then anyone who would willfully ignore those guidelines might very well warrant banishment from the list. This is one of those things that could be filtered fairly easily at the mailserver level -- if a post includes an text/html mime-type, simply drop the email or send a warning email to the poster that HTML is prohibited on the mailing list. Catching top-posting is a little more complex, but filters can be created to do it. It would certainly make John's life easier on the list. :) (BTW, Thanks, John -- I appreciate your unrelenting reminders. Don't let the nay-sayers get you down) [1] Blind folx who use text-to-speech modules can have garbage coming out of the speaker with html emails most with whom I've corresponded on the blinux[*] mailing list tend to use a MUA that simply ignores, strips, or converts HTML emails so they don't have to hear/feel HTML markup in all its hideous glory. -tim [*] Blind Linux Users mailing list -- where both interspersed posting and top posting are used frequently. The one that disorients me most is the *no* quoting replies. :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What are the consoles that work with FocusGained/FocusLost?
It's Bram ;) And you may try vim_dev, just in case they know. I haven't read the sources for FocusGain/FocusLost handling, but they may give you a hint about which consoles support that. Thank you! I'll try that. but in the meantime I am trying not to use gvim. Why? Because, gvim is not as good as a console. I'm a console person. In the way I'm used to work, I use a program, I use C-z to interrupt it, I do some series of commands, and then I 'fg' to get back to it. Vim should not be an exception. AFAIK, there is no way to do that in gvim. Plus, I don't especially need gvim's features (the only thing I would be glad to have is balloon tips, but I live without it). However, the more features I can pull from gvim, the more I'm happy! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What are the consoles that work with FocusGained/FocusLost?
Saluton Christophe-Marie :) Christophe-Marie Duquesne c...@gmail.com skribis: but in the meantime I am trying not to use gvim. Why? Because, gvim is not as good as a console. I'm a console person. I'm not exactly a console person, but I like to do in the console anything that is going to be more efficient done that way, and in my case, that implies console vim versus gvim. I prefer console vim because in my terminal emulator fonts are more readable than in gvim and in addition to that it is faster (specially scrolling) and marginally smaller. In the way I'm used to work, I use a program, I use C-z to interrupt it, I do some series of commands, and then I 'fg' to get back to it. Vim should not be an exception. AFAIK, there is no way to do that in gvim. But it is a windowed program, you don't have to suspend it to move it out of your way. I use console vim but I use it windowed in a terminal emulator, so I never suspend it. Whenever I need to do another thing I open a new tab in my terminal emulator, do the job and if I need it I go back and forth between vim and any other app/tab. Plus, I don't especially need gvim's features (the only thing I would be glad to have is balloon tips, but I live without it). The only *real* gvim feature it's the GUI. Any other thing (including menus!) you have in console vim. For me, console vim is not the small brother of GUI vim, it's more the opposite ;) since my console vim is faster. Anyway, I understand your point since I prefer console vim over gvim. In your case, it's a matter of finding if your console driver or terminal emulator supports FocusLost and FocusGain. Looks like my terminal emulator (libvte based) doesn't detect that :?? Is there a fast way of knowing if some event is available? I'm using :au FocusGained * echoerr A, but I don't know if it is a good way... -- Raúl DervishD Núñez de Arenas Coronado Linux Registered User 88736 | http://www.dervishd.net It's my PC and I'll cry if I want to... RAmen! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vi-improved.com
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Bram Moolenaar b...@moolenaar.net wrote: Because I like to read and write messages from/to a real person. Not someone hiding behind a fake name. It gives me the impression there is something to hide. It's a matter of politeness. Also, my spam filters may discard messages that don't look like they come from a real person. Ah, fair enough. Thanks for replying and clarifying your position. I talk with so many people online that I find it no longer concerns me that I don't know their exact, real name. You probably think of me as having a fake name, but Fuzzy is truly the name I go by. Perhaps it's a cultural difference, but I don't think of people not giving their real names as having anything significant to hide, nor as being any less polite, although some of them fit that mold. As for your spam filters, I assume they are configurable. Perhaps you get more messages a day than I, but using a learning spam filter seems to work well for me, even when people don't use a name that conforms to a certain format. Note that I do not accept scripts, code and anything else that goes in the Vim distribution from people without a real name for copyright reasons. I should actually ask for written and signed permission for redistribution, with disclaimers and perhaps a copy of an official ID, but that's taking it too far. Got away with it until now. I think this point is far more important, although many projects have taken similar risks to what you mention. I contribute code anonymously to many projects, but I also contribute attributed code to others. I guess it's really dependent on the leader of the project (you) what risks you are willing to assume in accepting other's code. Once again, thank you for taking the time to respond to my query. Fuzzy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: exuberant ctag not working with my mvim
mac comes with ctags. When I installed excuberant ctag was not even being called. I changed the path and now it is working great. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: exuberant ctag not working with my mvim
On Sep 9, 11:05 am, Raj neeraj@gmail.com wrote: I am using mac (mvim) and am trying to get ctag working with my rails project. everywhere I google I get documentation that says use ctags -R * . However when I perform that operation I get following message. ctags -R * ctags: illegal option -- R usage: ctags [-BFadtuwvx] [-f tagsfile] file ... However the ctag documentation page says that there is an option called -R . Also both of these commands are failing too. ctags -V ctags: illegal option -- V usage: ctags [-BFadtuwvx] [-f tagsfile] file ... ctags --version ctags: illegal option -- - usage: ctags [-BFadtuwvx] [-f tagsfile] file ... I am using ctag version 5.8 . anyone knows what's going on here. I think the built-in ctags on mac is gnu-ctags, I had the same problem until I installed ctags using Fink. If you don't like Fink or Macports, I found this page on google: http://adamyoung.net/Exuberant-Ctags-OS-X Israel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
printing with :hardcopy
With :hardcopy I can select lines from a file and print just those lines. The printoptions (popt) option includes a parameter wrap:y/n described as: wrap:y (default) Wrap long lines. wrap:n Truncate long lines. So what is the definition of a long line in this context? Can I change the definition for :hardcopy purposes? I wish to prevent lines from wrapping (or truncating) in my printed output. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Why the MACRO I defined can not highlight?
Very Thanks. Your plugin is the one which I want. I have download the ctags-highlight plugin. But , when I input the command: UpdateTypeFile. There are some errors like: Error detected while processing function UpdateTypesFile: line 23: E684: list index out of range: 0 E15: Invalid expression: split(globpath(rtp,ctags.exe))[0] line 29: E605: Exception not caught: Cannot find ctags what this means? I use Gvim 7.2 in windows XP. and I have put ctags.exe in c:\Windows \System32, so I can use ctags in command console. waitting your reply. Thanks again. On 9月10日, 下午10时15分, A. S. Budden abud...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/10 stone lbzha...@gmail.com: Hi. vim_use I use GVIM in windows to edit C/C++ program, But the MACRO and ENUM I have defined can not highlight. I have set the : sy on and sy enable in my vimrc file. There's no built in support for highlighting your own macros and enums etc. Have a look at my plugin (http://sites.google.com/site/abudden/contents/Vim-Scripts/ctags-highl...), which adds this feature (using ctags). If you have any problems getting it setup, please let me know. Al --http://sites.google.com/site/abudden --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Why the MACRO I defined can not highlight?
Very Thanks. Your plugin is the one which I want. I have download the ctags-highlight plugin. But , when I input the command: UpdateTypeFile. There are some errors like: Error detected while processing function UpdateTypesFile: line 23: E684: list index out of range: 0 E15: Invalid expression: split(globpath(rtp,ctags.exe))[0] line 29: E605: Exception not caught: Cannot find ctags what this means? I use Gvim 7.2 in windows XP. and I have put ctags.exe in c:\Windows \System32, so I can use ctags in command console. waitting your reply. Thanks again. On 9月10日, 下午10时15分, A. S. Budden abud...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/10 stone lbzha...@gmail.com: Hi. vim_use I use GVIM in windows to edit C/C++ program, But the MACRO and ENUM I have defined can not highlight. I have set the : sy on and sy enable in my vimrc file. There's no built in support for highlighting your own macros and enums etc. Have a look at my plugin (http://sites.google.com/site/abudden/contents/Vim-Scripts/ctags-highl...), which adds this feature (using ctags). If you have any problems getting it setup, please let me know. Al --http://sites.google.com/site/abudden --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RFE/RFC?:desired enhancement or 'already in there'? backups fonts for unmapped chars, families and Unicode blocks
* Contents o Current Problem #Current_problem: o Desired Enhancement 1: Font Lists, acting as fall-through backups for missing chars #Fallback_Font_List o Desired Enhancement 2: Support of Font Families #Font_Families Current problem: (If you can't read this *_in HTML_*, you are deprived, and maybe, in the internet 3rd world, my condolences, as documents structure can't be properly represented in plain text, (unless your eyes have built-in XML/HTML or LaTeX code interpretation). I've been trying to use better fonts and Unicode usage in my work (email, web pages, etc). Of source, using Vim for just about everything (Does anyone know of a Thunderbird extension to automatically allow or call Vim to edit dir Thunderbird composition --- especially when one switches into 'Source(HTML)' mode...that editor *sucks* big-time..., but I digress. I really am getting discouraged with the fonts available to me in monospaced fonts. The only ones that look halfway readable are the Lucida family...followed by the Monospace 821. . New courier is just too thin. Consolas isn't much better (a free font download from MS, no less!) My font (in Truetype or OpenType) list has: several monospace fonts that specialize in the CJK block, but non of those have great latin rendering and little coverage for Unicode blocks outside of the CJK blocks those include: (all the 'che variations seem to be the monospace ones) Batang, Doton Gulim Gunshuh, Jurchen Krystoid, MingLiU, MS Gothic, and MS Mincho. The few that specialize in the Hebrew block, don't help me much: Fixed Miriam Transparent, Rod ( Rod Transparent), neither the one in Arabic (Simplified Arabic Fixed). Non Unicode, symbol-only or raster fonts I won't mention in this listing. Among the Unicode fonts, ones that have western font and western usage (symbols, etc) coverage , I list the number of Unicode blocks they cover as well as total characters in the font. There are only 9 choices on my system, (though I describe one's coverage in detail with the lament that for some unknown reason, it isn't offered on the list, though it's 2nd plane 'cousin' is): NameBlocks Total-Chars Comments Andale Mono 22, 654 Bitstream Vera Sans Mono12 256 Code200211 (CJK) 20,409[sic/broken] this entry is broken /Note on Code2002:/ It is the 3rd font in a 3 font series (Code2000, Code2001, and Code2002, all available for *very* low (as low as $0) price (shareware(non-crippled)) or freeware from http://www.code2000.net/). All are monospaced fonts. Code2000 was for our first 64K (MS's initial UCS-2 set for NT4) code plane. When discovering 64K was no where near enough, more planes were added. Code2001 is for Unicode Plane 1 and Code2002 is for plane 2. Code 2000 -- the one that contains the latin characters doesn't show up as a choice, though it should -- they are all monospaced fonts; Code2002 is useless for Latin fonts (has 95/128 of Basic, 1/128 of Ext-A, 1/208 of Ext-B 96/129 of Supplement-1, 1/80 of Spacing modifiers), vs Code2000 which is designed to cover Plane 1 (first 64K), which has *118 *blocks and *54,068* chars). It's not the /most /excellent looking (at 1024^2 points per char) it was designed with less resolution than MS's TTF fonts, like Lucida Console (@4096^2 ppc), BUT on the list of unicode fonts it's pretty darn good, and probably 2nd best after the top MS fonts (which have no where near the coverage -- it could be there's a tradeoff -- 4x4 or 16 times the resolution/char OR 54,068/663 = 81 times the coverage. Of Latin usable chars, it has * all alphabetic presentation forms (58/58), * all arrows(112/112), * 95/128 of Basic Latin * all the Box drawing chars (128/128), * all Braille Patterns (256/256) * Combining diacriticals [like accents over chars) (112/112) * Combining for symbols (28/33) supplement (13/41) half marks(4/7) * control pics (symbols for the control characters below like LF, TAB, CR; 39/39); * 22/22 Currency symbols 174/174 Dingbats (all the special symbols designed by the designer Zapf last century) * 160/160 Enclosed alpha numerics * 106/107 General Puncuntuation * Greek symbols (2 blocks: 134/134+233/233) * halfwidth and full width forms (including !!colon!! that you can put in Windows (and linux) filenames: file： foobar (the character after 'file' and before 'foobar' is a single character composed of a colon and an embeded
Re: RFE/RFC?:desired enhancement or 'already in there'? backups fonts for unmapped chars, families and Unicode blocks
On Thu 10 Sep 2009 at 19:58:03 PDT Linda W wrote: (If you can't read this in HTML, you are deprived, and maybe, in the internet 3rd world, my condolences, as documents structure can't be properly represented in plain text, (unless your eyes have built-in XML/HTML or LaTeX code interpretation). I'm sorry, but my eyes got cross-eyed after reading your gratuitous insult and I wasn't able to pay any more attention to your RFC. I disagree with your claim that document structure can't be properly represented in plain text, because I don't think document structure has anything to do with fonts, point sizes, italics, underlining, etc. Those are all matters of *appearance* not structure. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RFE/RFC?:desired enhancement or 'already in there'? backups fonts for unmapped chars, families and Unicode blocks
On Sep 10, 9:58 pm, Linda W v...@tlinx.org wrote: The only ones that look halfway readable are the Lucida family...followed by the Monospace 821. . New courier is just too thin. Consolas isn't much better (a free font download from MS, no less!) I've gotten a lot of good use from DejaVu Sans Mono which you mention briefly, without giving a reason as to why you don't like it. I can understand the frustration, though. The first time I saw DejaVu I thought, ick but it has slowly grown on me. Consolas I like most of the time, but a few glyphs (like M and N oddly enough) look disgusting enough I only use it as a fallback if DejaVu is not installed. Desired Enhancement 1: Font Lists, acting as fall-through backups for missing chars I'd first like something like the 'guifontset' option work to automatically use successive entries on the font list as 'fallback' entries if the character being displayed isn't in the currently selected font. [snip] Desired Enhancement 2: Support of Font Families If this were supported, one could actually specify what font to use for what named Unicode block. The names of the blocks are published and can be tested. The problem I see with both of these mappings is that Vim creates a grid of sorts based on a certain number of characters, upon which it draws everything. This grid is set up under the assumption that every character is the same size. This is a valid assumption for characters within a single monospaced font, but as soon as you start mixing fonts it is no longer valid. For similar reasons, guifont is a global option rather than tab-local, and non-monospaced fonts look terrible when you force Vim to use them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message from the vim_use maillist. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: omnicppcomplete not completing this-
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Nathan Huesken wrote:
Hi,
I installed omnicppcomplete using this:
http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/C%2B%2B_code_completion
Now, I am in my Project and press C-F12 to rebuild tags (and I can see
the tags file).
Then I am in a member function of a class and type this-
Omnocomplete says: Pattern not found
is there something I missed?
Did you build the tags file with the right options enabled?
ctags -R --c++-kinds=+p --fields=+iaS --extra=+q .
Do you have a recent enough version of exuberant ctags? Are you sure
the code is syntactically valid? Does it work with a simpler test
case, something like
struct {
int a, b;
} foo;
int main()
{
foo.
}
For that example, the tags file should look something like this
(apologies for any wrapping):
__anon1::a foo.cpp /^ int a, b;$/; m struct:__anon1 file:
access:public
__anon1::b foo.cpp /^ int a, b;$/; m struct:__anon1 file:
access:public
a foo.cpp /^ int a, b;$/; m struct:__anon1 file:
access:public
b foo.cpp /^ int a, b;$/; m struct:__anon1 file:
access:public
foo foo.cpp /^} foo;$/;v typeref:struct:__anon1
mainfoo.cpp /^int main()$/;f signature:()
~Matt
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