Re: LCIII
Hi! If all else fails, send me the drive you're having a problem with and I'm sure that I can get it working in an LC III. I've just finished upgrading the hard drives in a couple of LC III units. I also have SCSI interfaces for an IBM ThinkPad 760XL, a PowerBook 520c, an Amiga 3000 and a number of Apple II models so I have a number of ways for testing SCSI drives. Willi -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII
So this patched version of HD Setup is the only thing that will see this drive? Eric - Original Message - From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:02 AM Subject: Re: LCIII I haven't followed all of this thread but looking at the info on the ST31230N I would say that you need a jumper on j2 pin 15/16 to enable the terminators, and also pin 3/4 to enable term power from the drive. The big question is what to do with PE the parity option. Parity needs to be turned off which in my experience usually means adding a jumper to disable it. But that's not clear in the documents. So I'd try it both ways, but I'd expect it to be jumpered. The other big point is so this is NOT an Apple-rommed drive? If not them you will not get the standard Apple hard disk s/w to intialize the drive. You'll need the patched version from Gambas web site http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/hd.html Cheers, John On Oct 5, 2005, at 7:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did tyr booting w/o extentions but get the same bus error. There are some extra settings on the HD i am unsure off. for example: A set of jumpers for terminaton power. TP TP Off Off-No terminator power is connected to drive terminators or SCSI bus I/O pin 26. On Off-Drive supplies its own terminator power only. Jumper on this position is factory default for N models only. Off On-Drive supplies power to I/O pin 26 of SCSI bus; none to internal terminators. When drives have differential I/O circuits, a jumper on the right TP position may be needed to power external terminators On On-Drive supplies terminator power to itself (internal connection) and to I/O pin 26 of SCSI bus. This is a legal jumper setting. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII
At 7:34 AM -0400 10/11/05, Eric Amy wrote: So this patched version of HD Setup is the only thing that will see this drive? Not the only thing but it's probably the easiest tool for the job. I've preferred it because it loads a standard Apple disk driver on the drive. I've had problems with some of the third party drivers. Eric - Original Message - From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:02 AM Subject: Re: LCIII I haven't followed all of this thread but looking at the info on the ST31230N I would say that you need a jumper on j2 pin 15/16 to enable the terminators, and also pin 3/4 to enable term power from the drive. The big question is what to do with PE the parity option. Parity needs to be turned off which in my experience usually means adding a jumper to disable it. But that's not clear in the documents. So I'd try it both ways, but I'd expect it to be jumpered. The other big point is so this is NOT an Apple-rommed drive? If not them you will not get the standard Apple hard disk s/w to intialize the drive. You'll need the patched version from Gambas web site http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/hd.html -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII
Ok I have set the termination for this drive on and enabled the power from the drive to the terminators. jumper on 15/16 and 3/4 I powered up the LC and get a sick MAC code of 00F 003 I also tried Seagate's recommendation of setting the power termination from the bus and get the same error. If I turn off the terminators the machine boots, but HD Setup (patched) doesn't see the drive. Eric - Original Message - From: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: LCIII At 7:34 AM -0400 10/11/05, Eric Amy wrote: So this patched version of HD Setup is the only thing that will see this drive? Not the only thing but it's probably the easiest tool for the job. I've preferred it because it loads a standard Apple disk driver on the drive. I've had problems with some of the third party drivers. Eric - Original Message - From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:02 AM Subject: Re: LCIII I haven't followed all of this thread but looking at the info on the ST31230N I would say that you need a jumper on j2 pin 15/16 to enable the terminators, and also pin 3/4 to enable term power from the drive. The big question is what to do with PE the parity option. Parity needs to be turned off which in my experience usually means adding a jumper to disable it. But that's not clear in the documents. So I'd try it both ways, but I'd expect it to be jumpered. The other big point is so this is NOT an Apple-rommed drive? If not them you will not get the standard Apple hard disk s/w to intialize the drive. You'll need the patched version from Gambas web site http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/hd.html -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII
I haven't followed all of this thread but looking at the info on the ST31230N I would say that you need a jumper on j2 pin 15/16 to enable the terminators, and also pin 3/4 to enable term power from the drive. The big question is what to do with PE the parity option. Parity needs to be turned off which in my experience usually means adding a jumper to disable it. But that's not clear in the documents. So I'd try it both ways, but I'd expect it to be jumpered. The other big point is so this is NOT an Apple-rommed drive? If not them you will not get the standard Apple hard disk s/w to intialize the drive. You'll need the patched version from Gambas web site http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/hd.html Cheers, John On Oct 5, 2005, at 7:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did tyr booting w/o extentions but get the same bus error. There are some extra settings on the HD i am unsure off. for example: A set of jumpers for terminaton power. TP TP Off Off-No terminator power is connected to drive terminators or SCSI bus I/O pin 26. On Off-Drive supplies its own terminator power only. Jumper on this position is factory default for N models only. Off On-Drive supplies power to I/O pin 26 of SCSI bus; none to internal terminators. When drives have differential I/O circuits, a jumper on the right TP position may be needed to power external terminators On On-Drive supplies terminator power to itself (internal connection) and to I/O pin 26 of SCSI bus. This is a legal jumper setting. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII
Eric, I'm sure I have the one I used somewhere, but there is definitely a site somewhere that has boot images with the HD Setup utility. I wish I kept bookmarks more diligently! Still, I may be able to put one together from my working computer. What sort of disk have you installed, by the way? Nathan Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I finally got a Hard drive replacement for my LCIII. I am in need of a disk image to put on a floppy to boot up. I have tried the 7.5.3 disk available from apple but i get a bus error when i get through the Macintosh start splash screen. Anyone have a working copy of something that will boot this thing. Thanks Eric -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII
On Wednesday, October 05, 2005, at 09:24AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, I'm sure I have the one I used somewhere, but there is definitely a site somewhere that has boot images with the HD Setup utility. I wish I kept bookmarks more diligently! Still, I may be able to put one together from my working computer. What sort of disk have you installed, by the way? Nathan Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I finally got a Hard drive replacement for my LCIII. I am in need of a disk image to put on a floppy to boot up. I have tried the 7.5.3 disk available from apple but i get a bus error when i get through the Macintosh start splash screen. Anyone have a working copy of something that will boot this thing. Thanks Sounds to me like you have a SCSI setup issue, or the floppy you are booting from is faulty. Check the floppy is ok by booting it on a known good Mac (anything up 7500/8500/9500 sort of era will boot 7.5.3 if i remember right). If that works ok then look to your hard disk and ensure you have the cable in correct (it's pretty hard to get wrong in an LC!), and that the drive is set to an ID that is not 7 and is terminated. As a general rule the Mac will stop at the grey pre-happy Mac screen and refuse to boot if the SCSI is setup really wrong, but it's definitely not always the case, especially if you have one thing right and one thing wrong. Other possibilities include Bad RAM, or loose cables (again there really aren't very many on an LC). You could try booting without extensions (hold SHIFT at the Happy-Mac) incase something loaded on Apple's 7.5.3 Disk Tools disk is disagreeing with the computer. I have successfully run 7.5.3 on an LCIII and LCIII+ so there are no issues as regards OS compatibility in general. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII
Its a Seagate ST31230N SCSI 1.06 GB drive. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: LCIII Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:24:09 +0100 Eric, I'm sure I have the one I used somewhere, but there is definitely a site somewhere that has boot images with the HD Setup utility. I wish I kept bookmarks more diligently! Still, I may be able to put one together from my working computer. What sort of disk have you installed, by the way? Nathan Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I finally got a Hard drive replacement for my LCIII. I am in need of a disk image to put on a floppy to boot up. I have tried the 7.5.3 disk available from apple but i get a bus error when i get through the Macintosh start splash screen. Anyone have a working copy of something that will boot this thing. Thanks Eric -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII
The drive worked in my peecee using a external connection. Its jummpered ID 0. As far as the disk goes it seems to be fine. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: LCIII Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:24:09 +0100 Eric, I'm sure I have the one I used somewhere, but there is definitely a site somewhere that has boot images with the HD Setup utility. I wish I kept bookmarks more diligently! Still, I may be able to put one together from my working computer. What sort of disk have you installed, by the way? Nathan Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I finally got a Hard drive replacement for my LCIII. I am in need of a disk image to put on a floppy to boot up. I have tried the 7.5.3 disk available from apple but i get a bus error when i get through the Macintosh start splash screen. Anyone have a working copy of something that will boot this thing. Thanks Eric -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII
Did tyr booting w/o extentions but get the same bus error. There are some extra settings on the HD i am unsure off. for example: A set of jumpers for terminaton power. TP TP Off Off-No terminator power is connected to drive terminators or SCSI bus I/O pin 26. On Off-Drive supplies its own terminator power only. Jumper on this position is factory default for N models only. Off On-Drive supplies power to I/O pin 26 of SCSI bus; none to internal terminators. When drives have differential I/O circuits, a jumper on the right TP position may be needed to power external terminators On On-Drive supplies terminator power to itself (internal connection) and to I/O pin 26 of SCSI bus. This is a legal jumper setting. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: LCIII Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:55:31 +0100 On Wednesday, October 05, 2005, at 09:24AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, I'm sure I have the one I used somewhere, but there is definitely a site somewhere that has boot images with the HD Setup utility. I wish I kept bookmarks more diligently! Still, I may be able to put one together from my working computer. What sort of disk have you installed, by the way? Nathan Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I finally got a Hard drive replacement for my LCIII. I am in need of a disk image to put on a floppy to boot up. I have tried the 7.5.3 disk available from apple but i get a bus error when i get through the Macintosh start splash screen. Anyone have a working copy of something that will boot this thing. Thanks Sounds to me like you have a SCSI setup issue, or the floppy you are booting from is faulty. Check the floppy is ok by booting it on a known good Mac (anything up 7500/8500/9500 sort of era will boot 7.5.3 if i remember right). If that works ok then look to your hard disk and ensure you have the cable in correct (it's pretty hard to get wrong in an LC!), and that the drive is set to an ID that is not 7 and is terminated. As a general rule the Mac will stop at the grey pre-happy Mac screen and refuse to boot if the SCSI is setup really wrong, but it's definitely not always the case, especially if you have one thing right and one thing wrong. Other possibilities include Bad RAM, or loose cables (again there really aren't very many on an LC). You could try booting without extensions (hold SHIFT at the Happy-Mac) incase something loaded on Apple's 7.5.3 Disk Tools disk is disagreeing with the computer. I have successfully run 7.5.3 on an LCIII and LCIII+ so there are no issues as regards OS compatibility in general. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII HD locked
on 6/4/04 4:54 AM, DEFRANCE François at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody, I'm trying to install System 7.5.3 on a LCIII. The internal HD was dead. I booted with the Network Access7.5 floppy from Apple's website. The HD was unreadable, so I formatted it. But the HD is now locked (with the little lock icon). When i get the info about the HD, there's no check box to unlock the disk. I can't re-format the disk either because it's locked. How can I unlock or reformat the disk? Could it be an hardware problem on the disk? Thanks for any help Francois I have used a third-party formatter, Lido 7.56 on a floppy. I begin formatting, then shut off the power part way into it, then format it with the Apple Formatter. Twice I have done this with absolute success. There's something in the beginning stages of Lido which makes this work. Jeff G -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII internet files?
on 1/27/04 7:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got my LCIII running good here at home, now (with a different hard drive) and I'd like to take it online across my home network. It's got an Asante ethernet card installed, and that's as far as I've gotten. Open Transport and Appletalk seem to report normal function (ie., OT gives me the MAC of the card and Appletalk doesn't report any errors), but I don't know what additional control panels and extensions I need. So, what files do I need, and where could I look for it? Thanks in advance, Denni BTW, I always thought that iMacs were permanent press. Was I misinformed? :) hee hee hee. So maybe they are. Go to www.jagshouse.com and get the Get Your Old Mac On The Web download. It contains tcp and pp stuff, plus there's a few browsers there and Eudora. The LC III is a great email machine, but a pokey Internet Rider. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII internet files?
As long as you have a browser of some sort, and you have all of your TCP/IP settings up, you should be good to go. Check out Gamba's site: http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/ for browsers. Kyle On Tuesday, January 27, 2004, at 07:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got my LCIII running good here at home, now (with a different hard drive) and I'd like to take it online across my home network. It's got an Asante ethernet card installed, and that's as far as I've gotten. Open Transport and Appletalk seem to report normal function (ie., OT gives me the MAC of the card and Appletalk doesn't report any errors), but I don't know what additional control panels and extensions I need. So, what files do I need, and where could I look for it? Thanks in advance, Denni BTW, I always thought that iMacs were permanent press. Was I misinformed? :) -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com http://lhspenguins.dyndns.org/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII problems
I should have said that the update to 7.6.1 was done over 4 years ago and the machine has run flawlessly up to now. The internal drive has been getting noisier over time. I think the problem began when we had a brief power outage, so maybe something was screwed up when the power came back on. I'll have to check if it's an Apple drive. I believe the drive was upgraded from the original. I'm fairly sure that it was formatted with Apple software. I used to be fairly good with Macs, but have been away from them for several years now. I need baby steps. Where is the setup utility? Nothing I've tried so far will recognize the drive at all. Vanessa At 11:29 AM 01/06/2004 -0800, you wrote: Vanessa, Sounds like the wrong version of 7.6.1 has been installed. If the HD was moved from another Mac that maybe the problem. Pop the lid on the LCIII. Check the markings on the HD - is it an Apple drive? If it's not, or if it is, and has been reformated with a third party driver, then you can't use the Apple HD setup. I've used Lido7 (downloaded from the web somewhere) or one of the FWB products. Did you actually try the Apple HD setup utility? You can see if it will recognize the drive, without actually reformating it. John On Tuesday, January 6, 2004, at 10:03 AM, Vanessa Stern wrote: I have an LCIII that won't boot up. I don't get the flashing question mark, I get a message that says The startup disk will not work on this Macintosh model. Use the latest installer to update this disk for this model. I can get it to book up using the system tools disk, but cannot access the hard drive to run disk first aid. I can access the external HD. I have the original System 7.1 disks that came with the machine, but the machine was upgraded to System 7.6.1 by my former employer and I do not have copies of those disks. I do not have any disk repair utilities, but have a neighbor who may have something - haven't asked him yet. I don't think there's anything on the HD that I need to get at, so if I have to reformat, I don't think that will be a problem. I posted this problem on Usenet and received a response that said it sounds like the driver file has been trashed. That person suggested using disk first aid, but as stated above, it does not recognize the hard drive to do this. Suggestions on what to do? Thanks, Vanessa -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII problems
On Jan 6, 2004, at 07:35 pm, Vanessa Stern wrote: I should have said that the update to 7.6.1 was done over 4 years ago and the machine has run flawlessly up to now. The internal drive has been getting noisier over time. I think the problem began when we had a brief power outage, so maybe something was screwed up when the power came back on. I'll have to check if it's an Apple drive. I believe the drive was upgraded from the original. I'm fairly sure that it was formatted with Apple software. I used to be fairly good with Macs, but have been away from them for several years now. I need baby steps. Where is the setup utility? Nothing I've tried so far will recognize the drive at all. Your a good kid, and I hate giving good people bad news... - The Matrix I'm afraid your hard disk has probably died. If it's been getting noisier and noisier it means the bearings on the spindle are drying out (they are lubricated once when the drive is built and as the drive ages the lube solidifies or degrades). Is it still spinning or has it suddenly gone quiet? If it's still spinning but won't mount it's likely that if the power went off the drive heads crashed. The drive would already have had to be sick for this to happen as normally they don't crash if the power cuts out (at least mine never have). if the power went on and off a few times rapidly that might have done it as the heads have to be fully into running position in order to park right on power down. Either way it sounds like the contents of the drive are corrupted. Try and find a utility called 'Mt. Everything' and see wether you can force the drive to mount to the desktop. If it won't try and find 'Diskwarrior' (it's not free) and try to rescue it. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII problems
Vanessa Stern wrote: I should have said that the update to 7.6.1 was done over 4 years ago and the machine has run flawlessly up to now. The internal drive has been getting noisier over time. I think the problem began when we had a brief power outage, so maybe something was screwed up when the power came back on. I'll have to check if it's an Apple drive. I believe the drive was upgraded from the original. I'm fairly sure that it was formatted with Apple software. I used to be fairly good with Macs, but have been away from them for several years now. I need baby steps. Where is the setup utility? Nothing I've tried so far will recognize the drive at all. Vanessa grab a disk tools floppy image from gamba's site and a version of apples hd sc setup (patched). Boot from the floppy and see if any of apples lame formatting tools can get around the problem before trying other disk tools like lido if you must. Most of what you need can be found on one of the links below. http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/bootdisks.html http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/hd.html I must ask what is the wrong version of 7.6.1, I mean if it ran this system before it can't be a ppc version so what other wrong version of 7.6.1 can it be? The best way to format a mac drive is with a pc and it doesn't take forever and a day to do, if you have access to a pc with a scsi card then nuke the drive completely, test it with real formatting tools and the initalize on the mac. If its the only mac you have and can not therefore make a disk tools disk, drop me a line off list, Ill send you a image that you can make on another platform and then boot the mac. As I've said before, Gamba's site is a excellent resource, its almost time we passed the hat around for someone who doesn't ask and who takes pride in keeping the site up to date and the links valid. Since he's not around at present I thought it was a fair time to put forward this suggestion, thanks Gamba. If the drive was stuffed there would be no message. Noisey hard drives may just be fragmentation, age and reaching capasity. Some drives just get noisey like one of the imacs here (never again imac) Please boot from a floppy and see what there is to see before thinking the disk has gone to god. Best of luck. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII problems
On Tuesday, January 6, 2004, at 01:26 PM, Darren wrote: I must ask what is the wrong version of 7.6.1, I mean if it ran this system before it can't be a ppc version so what other wrong version of 7.6.1 can it be? I wrote that before Vanessa revealed that the OS 7.6.1 installation was done over 4 years ago and the machine has run flawlessly up to now. :-) Older OS versions would either let you do an easy instal or customize. If you choose customize you get a list a Macs that you could select from. That leads me to believe that different code is loaded for different Macs. No? The best way to format a mac drive is with a pc and it doesn't take forever and a day to do, if you have access to a pc with a scsi card then nuke the drive completely, test it with real formatting tools and the initalize on the mac. Fascinating! How does a PC format differ from an Apple one? What tools would you use on a PC? Could you bring it down a level and be more specific than nuke the drive, so we can learn something? John -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII problems
John Niven wrote: I wrote that before Vanessa revealed that the OS 7.6.1 installation was done over 4 years ago and the machine has run flawlessly up to now. :-) Older OS versions would either let you do an easy instal or customize. If you choose customize you get a list a Macs that you could select from. That leads me to believe that different code is loaded for different Macs. No? Very good point, thank you John. Its a screen I use alot and I should have known better. The best way to format a mac drive is with a pc and it doesn't take forever and a day to do, if you have access to a pc with a scsi card then nuke the drive completely, test it with real formatting tools and the initalize on the mac. Fascinating! How does a PC format differ from an Apple one? What tools would you use on a PC? Could you bring it down a level and be more specific than nuke the drive, so we can learn something? First thing that springs to mind is the fact you can see progress, there is no question as to whether the formatting has hung. You see where disk errors have occured and any pattern, from any pattern you can determin the life of the drive. One is not left in the dark after a extended period of inactivity. The programs you would use are many and varied, the pc you use may add its own limits or advantages. The nanny will not be happy if I proceed. Nuke the drive is the same, more or less to nuke and pave a very mac comment. Format the disk to remove the Apple partitions, thats 4? tiny ones that hold the info the mac needs to talk to the drive and where I feel the trouble is in Vanessa's case, along with everything else and start again from a raw drive. The cart is now before the horse as any talk of formatting should be left until a disk tools floppy atleast has been run. The fact that the drive appears to be read is a good sign it can be saved. If the drive can't be accessed the mac would show a flashing ? While I will not offer Diskworrier I can offer nortons if all else fails, floppies are good. I'm a truck driver, I dont teach. ;) -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
--- Christopher Shustak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip I believe that I need to find a copy of Open Transport 1.2.2 to run on OS 7.1. I have a cable modem, so I don't need PPP or modem dialing capabilities. You need to install OT 1.1.1 then 1.1.2. That's as far as you go on System 7.x.x. Free tool for ping, traceroute etc is OTTool from Neon Software www.neon.com get OTToolF121.sit.hqx (FAT version for 68k and PPC) from ftp://ftp.neon.com/pub/goodies/ Check out http://www.macwindows.com for everything MacPC cross platform. The 68k Mac emulator Basilisk II from http://gamma.nic.fi/~lpesonen/BasiliskII/ is one way. TransMac from http://www.asy.com/ is another. The shareware is limited to files of 1.4M or smaller, which is plenty to get you going on getting your LCIII up and running. Download .HQX versions of the Mac files and TransMac can automatically decode them while copying them from the PC to a Mac formatted 1.44M floppy. TransMac will also come in handy for getting the ROM grabber for Basilisk II onto the Mac and the ROM image file back to the PC for the emulator to use. Be careful with Basilisk II. On a decently fast PC it runs much faster than any real 68k Mac and even faster than running 68k software on PowerMacs with the 601 CPU. ;) Don't want to get addicted to using a fake Mac. ;) = When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
--- John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So does it work to go from NO open transport to 1.1.2? Nope. You must download and install 1.1.1 THEN install 1.1.2. That's it, that's the only way on System versions which do not include Open Transport. It's a good idea to poke around here... http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/ Works just like ftp.apple.com used to, except they made it an HTTP server. Why they did, I have no idea. = When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 05:50 PM, Darren wrote: As you are on cable I guess you are behind a router of sorts, there's a fair chance it accepts a static address. This is true at home. In fact I have a Linksys cable/DSL router that does dhcp for my home network (and acts as a firewall IFAIK). I could turn that off, but currently it just doesn't matter because I simply use MacTCP to set a fixed ip address that's a long way from the number the dhcp starts at. This is not a problem. What is a problem, is when I take a guest Mac of the week to work :-) Here we use a dhcp server for everything except the unix boxes. So I'd have to request a static ip address. OT is needed if dhcp is the only option. Its also better supported and basicly easier, more mac like to use. So last night I tried one of my IIci with 7.1, then update 3.0. I downloaded OT 1.1.1 and OT 1.1.2 from the apple web site (you only need install disks 1 2 - 3 4 are for PPC). These loaded OK. Then I added the drag and thread manager extension (also on the Apple web site) and the iCab web browser :-) My Linksys router recognized my IIci, assigned it an ip address, and a name server, and I was web browsing (admittedly slowly :):) Cool! Not as cool as OS 6 but ... Now if only OS 6 could handle OT and/or dhcp John -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
John Niven wrote: As you are on cable I guess you are behind a router of sorts, there's a fair chance it accepts a static address. This is true at home. In fact I have a Linksys cable/DSL router that does dhcp for my home network (and acts as a firewall IFAIK). I could turn that off, but currently it just doesn't matter because I simply use MacTCP to set a fixed ip address that's a long way from the number the dhcp starts at. This is not a problem. My router is a linux box which doles out dhcp for the mac of the week and happily copes with many different platforms running static address. I wouldn't consider the purchase of any router that doesn't, actually I wont buy what I can make. :) Makes a good file, print, game server among other uses. What is a problem, is when I take a guest Mac of the week to work :-) Here we use a dhcp server for everything except the unix boxes. So I'd have to request a static ip address. I'm sorry and will possibly learn something if I ask why a mac static address would be different to a unix static address. I often hook up guest machines without needing to configer the router. There is a problem if the static address is of a different range to my lan but appletalk will still function in this case. OT is needed if dhcp is the only option. Its also better supported and basicly easier, more mac like to use. So last night I tried one of my IIci with 7.1, then update 3.0. I downloaded OT 1.1.1 and OT 1.1.2 from the apple web site (you only need install disks 1 2 - 3 4 are for PPC). These loaded OK. Then I added the drag and thread manager extension (also on the Apple web site) and the iCab web browser :-) Kewl, saves me making 4 images. Drag and Thread manager comes with either IE or NS, cant recall which or if its both. I'm not a great fan of icab, if it works for you then thats all that matters. My Linksys router recognized my IIci, assigned it an ip address, and a name server, and I was web browsing (admittedly slowly :):) Cool! Not as cool as OS 6 but ... The bit of dhcp I'm not fond of is when you move the mac away from the lan and sit through the extremely long pause as OT decides whether the network exists and issues a static address. For me a static address is far easier for most conditions. A little more work that is worth it if you need to look at logs, firewalling or just bug fixing. Makes life easier for network gaming. :) Now if only OS 6 could handle OT and/or dhcp Wont mactcp, I mean do you really need dhcp? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
Darren, Somehow you seem to be missing the point. I'm sure your linux box is wonderful for your HOME needs, but my problem is that I do not run the network at my work. So I either have to make my guest Macs work with my WORK dhcp server (i.e. use OT) or I have to go to my MIS group and get them to assign a static address (then use MacTCP). No doubt i could do that - but then it seems like I have to make a concession for an old Mac :-P I believe it's the case that if I arbitrarily assign my Mac a static ip address, then the server is likely to, at some point, dole out the same address to somebody else and then we will all be in trouble. One other thing - I bet my router uses less power, and takes up less space :-) On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 03:44 PM, Darren wrote: John John Niven wrote: As you are on cable I guess you are behind a router of sorts, there's a fair chance it accepts a static address. This is true at home. In fact I have a Linksys cable/DSL router that does dhcp for my home network (and acts as a firewall IFAIK). I could turn that off, but currently it just doesn't matter because I simply use MacTCP to set a fixed ip address that's a long way from the number the dhcp starts at. This is not a problem. My router is a linux box which doles out dhcp for the mac of the week and happily copes with many different platforms running static address. I wouldn't consider the purchase of any router that doesn't, actually I wont buy what I can make. :) Makes a good file, print, game server among other uses. What is a problem, is when I take a guest Mac of the week to work :-) Here we use a dhcp server for everything except the unix boxes. So I'd have to request a static ip address. I'm sorry and will possibly learn something if I ask why a mac static address would be different to a unix static address. I often hook up guest machines without needing to configer the router. There is a problem if the static address is of a different range to my lan but appletalk will still function in this case. OT is needed if dhcp is the only option. Its also better supported and basicly easier, more mac like to use. So last night I tried one of my IIci with 7.1, then update 3.0. I downloaded OT 1.1.1 and OT 1.1.2 from the apple web site (you only need install disks 1 2 - 3 4 are for PPC). These loaded OK. Then I added the drag and thread manager extension (also on the Apple web site) and the iCab web browser :-) Kewl, saves me making 4 images. Drag and Thread manager comes with either IE or NS, cant recall which or if its both. I'm not a great fan of icab, if it works for you then thats all that matters. My Linksys router recognized my IIci, assigned it an ip address, and a name server, and I was web browsing (admittedly slowly :):) Cool! Not as cool as OS 6 but ... The bit of dhcp I'm not fond of is when you move the mac away from the lan and sit through the extremely long pause as OT decides whether the network exists and issues a static address. For me a static address is far easier for most conditions. A little more work that is worth it if you need to look at logs, firewalling or just bug fixing. Makes life easier for network gaming. :) Now if only OS 6 could handle OT and/or dhcp Wont mactcp, I mean do you really need dhcp? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
John Niven wrote: Darren, Somehow you seem to be missing the point. I'm sure your linux box is wonderful for your HOME needs, but my problem is that I do not run the network at my work. So I either have to make my guest Macs work with my WORK dhcp server (i.e. use OT) or I have to go to my MIS group and get them to assign a static address (then use MacTCP). No doubt i could do that - but then it seems like I have to make a concession for an old Mac :-P Missed by a mile as usual. I caught the use of home a couple of times but missed a reference to work. No doubt there's some reason a static address wont work as easily with your MIS group as it does with ICS. I believe it's the case that if I arbitrarily assign my Mac a static ip address, then the server is likely to, at some point, dole out the same address to somebody else and then we will all be in trouble. I fail to see why this would happen, a easier accident would be the address is doled out before the mac is fired up. Logicly every dhcp server starts at either 0 or 255 and works up or down in steps of two, if there are only 100 machines likely to connect then your mac would use an address at the other end of the range to limit the chance of collision or plain odds and evens as I sometimes use. One other thing - I bet my router uses less power, and takes up less space :-) A small plus, granted. Neither are major concerns, the server runs 24/7, if you ran one on your home lan I'd be winning :-P Cheers -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
The answers are in the pickle's Low-End Mac FAQ: http://macfaq.org/index.shtml I'm afraid that you are going to need your PC in order to make floppies to get the Mac going. Been there, done that. It gets better the more Mac bits you acquire :-) Bill Gates was right after all :-P John I didn't think you could add OT to 7.1 Everybody just told me to use MacTCP. But OT let's you speak to a DHCP server, so this alone is useful. What version can you load? On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 03:25 PM, Christopher Shustak wrote: Well, the enet card for my Apple LCIII arrived today, and I installed same this afternoon. The OS is already OS7.1, so I think I'm set there. The memory went in last week. The floppy that came with the card talks about ethertalk, which I'm guessing is appletalk over twisted pair. I need to install TCPIP, so that I can at least get the LC on a network, to download a web browser, a ping utility, and an email program. I believe that I need to find a copy of Open Transport 1.2.2 to run on OS 7.1. I have a cable modem, so I don't need PPP or modem dialing capabilities. How do I get the Open Transport software to the Mac? I have an Ibook, but it lacks a floppy. My IBM PC has a floppy, but it won't read a floppy that's been formatted on the LC. The Enet card came with a floppy for Ethertalk, but I believe that this is appletalk, and not TCPIP. I'm also not sure if the LC will even talk to an OSX Ibook. Any suggestions? Thanks Chris -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
I'm afraid that you are going to need your PC in order to make floppies to get the Mac going. I don't think he needs to do that. He just has to link his LC III to his ibook via athernet and then transfer the needed files for tcp/ip to his LC III. He can make an appletalk connection with the LCIII.. See Gamba's page on connecting a system 7.1 machine to an OS X machine over appletalk. I didn't think you could add OT to 7.1 Everybody just told me to use MacTCP. But OT let's you speak to a DHCP server, so this alone is useful. OT 1.1.2 will work just fine on a LCIII running 7.1. I guess you were using some other Mac. Marten -- Vintage Macs list nanny -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 04:24 PM, Marten van de Kraats wrote: I didn't think you could add OT to 7.1 Everybody just told me to use MacTCP. But OT let's you speak to a DHCP server, so this alone is useful. OT 1.1.2 will work just fine on a LCIII running 7.1. I guess you were using some other Mac. Actually I never tried because: 1) Many people are so adamant that Classic networking was better than OT. 2) the only free version (from Apple) is 1.1.1 or 1.1.2 and these say: For best results, you should install Open Transport 1.1.1 over Open Transport 1.1 - For best results, you should install Open Transport 1.1.2 over Open Transport 1.1 or Open Transport 1.1.1 I don't have OT 1.1 :-( So does it work to go from NO open transport to 1.1.2? John -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
Christopher Shustak wrote: Well, the enet card for my Apple LCIII arrived today, and I installed same this afternoon. The OS is already OS7.1, so I think I'm set there. The memory went in last week. The floppy that came with the card talks about ethertalk, which I'm guessing is appletalk over twisted pair. I need to install TCPIP, so that I can at least get the LC on a network, to download a web browser, a ping utility, and an email program. I believe that I need to find a copy of Open Transport 1.2.2 to run on OS 7.1. I have a cable modem, so I don't need PPP or modem dialing capabilities. How do I get the Open Transport software to the Mac? I have an Ibook, but it lacks a floppy. My IBM PC has a floppy, but it won't read a floppy that's been formatted on the LC. The Enet card came with a floppy for Ethertalk, but I believe that this is appletalk, and not TCPIP. I'm also not sure if the LC will even talk to an OSX Ibook. I love it. :) Nullmodem, this contains its own set of problems. Get the thing to talk to X :) all good fun if the network card doesn't work. Ask nice and I'll post you the needed OT1.1.1 and OT1.1.2 update as 8 floppy images you can make on the pc then load into the mac, easy if you have 8 known good floppies and RaWriteWin, rawrite or the dd command in linux (X?). dd if=diskx.img of=/dev/fd0 On windows or nix the floppy isn't read until accessed so writing a mac disk on a pc is easy with the right image. (well not the same as the mac) There are other ways, you should get away with mactcp and a static connection but thats another story. Good luck -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
OT 1.1.2 will work just fine on a LCIII running 7.1. I guess you were using some other Mac. Actually I never tried because: 1) Many people are so adamant that Classic networking was better than OT. They were wrong. Classic networking is only better if you have little ram to spare. 2) the only free version (from Apple) is 1.1.1 or 1.1.2 and these say: For best results, you should install Open Transport 1.1.1 over Open Transport 1.1 You should just install 1.1.1 (which is a free donwload) - For best results, you should install Open Transport 1.1.2 over Open Transport 1.1 or Open Transport 1.1.1 After installing 1.1.1, one should install 1.1.2. I don't have OT 1.1 :-( You need 1.1.1 So does it work to go from NO open transport to 1.1.2? No, you must install 1.1.1 first. Marten -- Vintage Macs list nanny -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
John Niven wrote: Actually I never tried because: 1) Many people are so adamant that Classic networking was better than OT. 2) the only free version (from Apple) is 1.1.1 or 1.1.2 and these say: http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/Networking-Communications/Open_Transport/ I don't have OT 1.1 :-( Hi John, see above So does it work to go from NO open transport to 1.1.2? No, 1.1.2 updates the bugs in 1.1.1 ;) As you are on cable I guess you are behind a router of sorts, there's a fair chance it accepts a static address. If so mactpc is lightweight, less likely to corrupt and a pita to setup. I'm very happy with it on all of the 68k macs on this little lan. OT is needed if dhcp is the only option. Its also better supported and basicly easier, more mac like to use. OT 1.x.x has flaws that aren't corrected until OS8.5+ and OT 2.X but im not able to explain it properly. I'm trying to say you may have trouble connecting OT 1.1.2 to your cable modem directly to some dhcp servers, depending on your ISP. I my case I could get around this with a static address which brings us back to mactpc. ;) cheers -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII. Enet arrived. How to get software on a floppy.
On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 05:01 PM, Marten van de Kraats wrote: You should just install 1.1.1 (which is a free donwload) After installing 1.1.1, one should install 1.1.2. Cool Martin! I'm going to give that a try for sure! Thanks, John -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII
Dear List: I have an LCIII with a 160MB hard drive, 36MB RAM, and ethernet card. I just turned it on this morning, got the normal startup chime, immediately followed by a rather ominous chime. In addition, there is absolutely no video signal being transmitted to the monitor. I know the monitor works because I use it on another machine and it's fine. What could be the culprit or culprits here? Roland :( -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII
on 7/13/03 3:36 PM, Roland Drake at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List: I have an LCIII with a 160MB hard drive, 36MB RAM, and ethernet card. I just turned it on this morning, got the normal startup chime, immediately followed by a rather ominous chime. In addition, there is absolutely no video signal being transmitted to the monitor. I know the monitor works because I use it on another machine and it's fine. What could be the culprit or culprits here? Roland :( The ominous chime is the Mac's way of saying it doesn't like the RAM in it, or it's been unseated or gone bad. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII open to offers...
I have an old Macintosh LCIII which I would be happy to pass on to a new home. Can you please tell me whether this is of any use to you? It was bought circa 1992, has 8Mb RAM and 64Mb disc space. I'm based in Lincoln, in the UK! Selling stuff is not allowed on this mailing list. You should try the Lowend Mac swap list. Thank you, Marten van de Kraats Vintage Macs list nanny BEP!!! Wrong answer Marten. List members are allowed to post one (1) for sale ad per year on the list, for an item that is of interest to that specific list. and. . . . no where in his post does he say anything about it being for sale, I would be happy to pass on to a new home sounds to me like an offer to give it away. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII open to offers...
I have an old Macintosh LCIII which I would be happy to pass on to a new home. Can you please tell me whether this is of any use to you? It was bought circa 1992, has 8Mb RAM and 64Mb disc space. I'm based in Lincoln, in the UK! Selling stuff is not allowed on this mailing list. You should try the Lowend Mac swap list. Thank you, Marten van de Kraats Vintage Macs list nanny -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: re LCIII and memory
On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 01:29 Europe/London, Steve Conrad wrote: - Does it work in the LCIII+ as well? The LCIII and LCIII+ are identical, apart from the CPU and the clock xtal. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Vintage Macs List Nanny Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: re LCIII and memory
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:22:07 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The LCIII was the first non Road Apple LC. Pretty much not crippled except for only having one SIMM slot. If you put some card in the PDS, try and get one with a 68882 FPU onboard. Unfortunately some types of LC PDS cards were never made in a model with an FPU. Lots of LC network cards had an FPU. A good upgrade for speed is a 40 or 50Mhz DayStar 030 PowerCache (with FPU too) but you also have to find the LC adapter card and there's the problem of using the only expansion slot. The adapter for the LCIII and the adapter for the LC, LCII, and Color classic are different adapters. I have several of the LC, LCII, and CC adapters for the PowerCache in case anyone is interested. Jeff Walther - Does it work in the LCIII+ as well? Also, what would it take to get those for my LC Performa 405? Steve Conrad 810 Main Henrietta, MO 64036 816-494-5692 http://sasha91.0pi.com www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/stonekeep/600 It is no secret (nor should it come as any surprise) that humankind's most noble impulses often surface during the most trying of times, that human spirit rises to the challenge when faced with adversity, that human strength is born from human failings...Is it any wonder, then, that the SDF-1 crew became a tighter family after the fortress had been exiled than it had before? From the log of Captain (later Admiral) Henry Gloval -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
re LCIII and memory
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:01:19 + From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LC 475 et al On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 09:00AM, Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip and the first 2 LC Macs can only use up to 10 megs. I thought that the LC III could only handle 10mbs of memory also. Is this incorrect? I would like to add memory to an LCIII if it can handle more. cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: re LCIII and memory
At 1:56 AM -0600 2/11/2003, carolyn a atkinson wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:01:19 + From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LC 475 et al On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 09:00AM, Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip and the first 2 LC Macs can only use up to 10 megs. I thought that the LC III could only handle 10mbs of memory also. Is this incorrect? I would like to add memory to an LCIII if it can handle more. At least 36 Mb (32 Mb 72 pin SIMM 4Mb on the motherboard) like mine. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: re LCIII and memory
--- carolyn a atkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that the LC III could only handle 10mbs of memory also. Is this incorrect? I would like to add memory to an LCIII if it can handle more. Easy bump to 36 megs by adding a 32 meg SIMM. MicroMac has their BigSIMM (for a BigPRICE!) that can bump it even higher. The LCIII was the first non Road Apple LC. Pretty much not crippled except for only having one SIMM slot. If you put some card in the PDS, try and get one with a 68882 FPU onboard. Unfortunately some types of LC PDS cards were never made in a model with an FPU. Lots of LC network cards had an FPU. A good upgrade for speed is a 40 or 50Mhz DayStar 030 PowerCache (with FPU too) but you also have to find the LC adapter card and there's the problem of using the only expansion slot. = If all the young people in America were to act as you intend to act, the country would be defenseless and easily delivered into slavery. Albert Einstein in a letter to a pacifist, 1941. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: re LCIII and memory
At 1:56 AM -0600 2/11/2003, carolyn a atkinson wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:01:19 + From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LC 475 et al On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 09:00AM, Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip and the first 2 LC Macs can only use up to 10 megs. I thought that the LC III could only handle 10mbs of memory also. Is this incorrect? I would like to add memory to an LCIII if it can handle more. At least 36 Mb (32 Mb 72 pin SIMM 4Mb on the motherboard) like mine. -- Clark Martin I kept an LC III around for a long time just for testing 72pin Simms because it will recognize Simms up to 128MB -- Aloha, Ken Go the extra mile, it's never crowded. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: re LCIII and memory
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:22:07 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The LCIII was the first non Road Apple LC. Pretty much not crippled except for only having one SIMM slot. If you put some card in the PDS, try and get one with a 68882 FPU onboard. Unfortunately some types of LC PDS cards were never made in a model with an FPU. Lots of LC network cards had an FPU. A good upgrade for speed is a 40 or 50Mhz DayStar 030 PowerCache (with FPU too) but you also have to find the LC adapter card and there's the problem of using the only expansion slot. The adapter for the LCIII and the adapter for the LC, LCII, and Color classic are different adapters. I have several of the LC, LCII, and CC adapters for the PowerCache in case anyone is interested. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: re LCIII and memory
At 01:56 -0600 on 11/02/03, carolyn a atkinson wrote: I thought that the LC III could only handle 10mbs of memory also. Is this incorrect? I would like to add memory to an LCIII if it can handle Very much so. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII with two OS's installed
I use computers with 2 or 3 Operating System versions on it. The reason I do is because some programs I like (such as Microsoft Works 4.0) don't like system versions higher than 7.6.1. So I put a copy of the control panel item startup disk in each launcher to make a quick reboot to the other hard disk or volume. So far, no problems. Ron http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rrbp/ In a message dated 10/23/02 8:50:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've rescued a working Quantum hard drive that was being thrown out. Set the SCSI number and installed it in an empty external hard drive case I had lying around, with terminator. Hooked it up to my LCII running OS 7.1, and it works fine. Great to have a big boost in disk space. It turns out the drive came with System 7.5 update 2 on it. For now I'm keeping the internal drive with 7.1 as my startup disk. What are the issues in having two different OS's installed on the same computer? Will I run into any problems if I keep the OS 7.5 around to run apps that need it? Should I ditch 7.1 all together and just use 7.5? (I've got the RAM maxed out, if that makes any difference.) If I do keep both, how do I manage two sets of extensions, control panels etc.? Thanks, Bob -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:vintage.macs-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:vintage.macs-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII with two OS's installed
At 23:49 -0400 on 23/10/02, Robert Dowgwillo wrote: What are the issues in having two different OS's installed on the same Virtually none, especially if they're on separate drives. computer? Will I run into any problems if I keep the OS 7.5 around to run You shouldn't. apps that need it? Should I ditch 7.1 all together and just use 7.5? (I've I'd stick with 7.1 myself. got the RAM maxed out, if that makes any difference.) If I do keep both, how do I manage two sets of extensions, control panels etc.? Pretend that they're two different computers. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:jmug;ftp.jmug.org//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs;mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:vintage.macs-off;mail.maclaunch.com For digest mode, email: mailto:vintage.macs-digest;mail.maclaunch.com Subscription questions: mailto:listmom;lowendmac.com Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII memory
--- biomem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got a 72pin EDO simms for my LCIII and put it in. When I turned it on the 1st time it chimed, loaded and I looked 'about this mac' and it said 36000bytes which is right 4+32...but the system memory showed using 3 of this memory, why? Use the Memory control panel and switch it to 32bit addressing mode then reboot. = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII + SCSI-2 ?
At 19:40 -0700 on 05/06/02, Ed Murphy wrote: I'm tryng to upgrade from my 160mb hard drive to a 1 gig. I've tried two different drives (ibm, fujitsu), neither can be seen by Hard Disk Toolkit. Both have already been formatted and partitioned and mounted in another Mac, so that is not the problem. Both are internally terminated as well (I formatted them as the only hard drive in a 7200). So, I'm a bit stuck. Both drives are SCSI-2, which the 7200 apparently has no problem with. Can an LCIII use an SCSI-2 drive? TIA Might be some SCSI funkiness. It ought to work fine. PS: I upgraded my ram to 36mb as well, and the LCIII didn't like the EDO simm I tried. It worked with an FPM simm. Any idea what the refresh rate on the two modules is? the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII + SCSI-2 ?
At 19:53 -0700 on 05/06/02, Ed Murphy wrote: --- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: I upgraded my ram to 36mb as well, and the LCIII didn't like the EDO simm I tried. It worked with an FPM simm. Any idea what the refresh rate on the two modules is? Nope. I swapped the EDO simm for the FPM simm, so I can't even go back and find out what it was. I suspect the refresh rate might have been the culprit rather than the EDO. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII - needs TLC
Mark wrote: This thing has had something spilt in it. This looks like a dishwasher job, anyone remember the key points? I suppose you're talking about the case. I don't think there were any catches or the like. Fro this list, Jack Honeycutt just put his Macs in the dishwasher and returned quite enthousiastic. Personally, I'd try not to overheat. good luck, -mart -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII - needs TLC
-- From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vintage Macs) Subject: LCIII - needs TLC Date: Mon, May 13, 2002, 3:11 AM This battered and rusty LCIII has more than one problem, in fact it has many (not least only having 8MB RAM). One is that both the vertical clips that hold the logic board in have snapped clean off (disappointingly, making the lower chassis useless). So how the Sam Hill do I stop the logic board from sliding back into the machine? I solved this on my other LCIII machine by putting a cork shim between the fan and the front of the logic board. That one still has it's clips but they are damaged. If I did that in this one I'd be putting all the pressure on one small part of the board and fan and may damaged it. Another is that the fan is jamming on power up. It often needs a gentle tap to get it going, making it hard to use this as a closed-case machine. Any suggestions? -- -- Mark Benson A light, well aimed spray of WD40. This is a nothing-to-lose machine. With the clips snapped off, you have many options, not the least of which entail an entirely new case, if this is a restore-job. Or, you can secure the motherboard with pieces of foam-backed double-sided tape if it's just a toy-for-you. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII and SPACE diet
-Original Message- From: dhill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:48 AM Subject: LCIII and SPACE diet I put 7.5.5 on my LC III and the system folder was so fat that it bent the motherboard. By moving up to 7.6.1, I dropped weight from 50 megs down to a reasonable 20 or something. Dale I have a Graphite Fiber underlayment for your LC III motherboard. It'll allow you to run 7.5.5 with ALL the goodies with absolutely zero torsion evident on the motherboard. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+ or not?
At 22:55 -0400 on 04/09/01, Receipts wrote: I just got a LCIII+ board to replace a LCIII board. I put it in, it works fine, but it runs at 25mhz, instead of 33mhz. The LCIII+ cpu says it's a 68030 @ 33 on top, and the LCIII says it's a 68030 @25mhz. Check the resistor layout as detailed in the overclocking link in the FAQ. It probably got set back to 25MHz. Why? No idea... p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII upgrade problem
--- Receipts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that the LCIII needs System Enabler 003, which was NOT on the HD when I changed over. Could that be the problem? Yup. If so, how can I get SE 003 on to my HD now. I can't even boot with the 7.1 disks. Same screen. Add the enabler to the boot disk. I could put the LCII board back in, install the SE 003, then put the LCIII board back in. That would be the best way. Very clever. Ain't 7.1 grand? William = Renegade Infidel http://www.macheretics.com http://www.artaudsociety.com http://www.jmug.org -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII upgrade problem
At 16:32 -0400 on 30/08/01, Receipts wrote: I just updated an LCII with an LCIII board, and my existing HD with system 7.1 will not load now. The computer stops with a screen stating this startup disk can not be used with this Macintosh model (or something close to that). I know that the LCIII needs System Enabler 003, which was NOT on the HD when I changed over. Could that be the problem? You got it in one. I could put the LCII board back in, install the SE 003, then put the LCIII board back in. That would probably be the best line of attack. Or, I could download a system 7.5.3 startup disk. I saw that somewhere online, but don't remember where now. The FAQ :) And where do I install the SE 003...into the System Folder, or the Extensions, etc? Just in the System Folder. There's info about Enablers in the FAQ too... p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII upgrade problem
At 18:40 -0400 on 30/08/01, Receipts wrote: Does anyone know where I can get that disk image of OS 7.5.3 start-up? See my previous message :) p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII upgrade problem
I love 7.1. Nice clean OS. Applaud! I love 7.1 too! I already did the motherboard mombo and she's running fine. I LOVE these LC computers, one of the most stylish, well designed computers ever. huh! Does anyone know where I can get that disk image of OS 7.5.3 start-up? Thanks ftp://ftp.umax.com/supermac/apple_files/disk_tools1.sea.hqx (From Gamba's) -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII upgrade problem
Yes, HE meant the case; mostly. But I also love the LC as a computer. One thing about old Apples is the feeling each one has. I've been in computers since 1968, and the Mac's are the ones I keep going back to for fun. And I have my own PC computer business! 1/3 of my time is devoted to old Mac's I pick up, then super-clean, max out, and return to the world almost as good as the day they were made. I even give them away for free to schools, libraries, etc. I don't do that to the old PC's very much. At 07:00 PM 8/30/2001, you wrote: At 00:54 +0200 on 31/08/01, Marten van de Kraats wrote: I already did the motherboard mombo and she's running fine. I LOVE these LC computers, one of the most stylish, well designed computers ever. huh! In his defence, I think he meant the case, not the LC and LC II motherboards :) p -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Moving apps. Re: LCIII+
Andrew W. Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (Edit: Perhaps I should write a LEM article on how to move an entire Mac System and everything to a new drive, and the same for Win9x, comparing them?) When I bought my Q800, I installed an extra disk that was laying around here, but I forgot that: 1. there was a backup of my PB5300 on it, 2. the SCSI-disk with the highest # becomes startup disk if none selected in the Control Panel. The result: The Q800 started happily from the PB5300 system folder, without ANY problem I'd like to see THAT on a Wintel-box... -- Noel mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
william ahearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eudora Light is okay if you only have one mail account and it doesn't have a lot of traffic. Believe me on this one. I'm afraid I don't believe you ;) I've used Eudora Light for years, with a lot of traffic, and 2 accounts. For multiple accounts, all you need to do is create different folders with Eudora settings. -- Noel mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
on 8/28/01 8:55 AM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pickle wrote: Plug in the other drive and just copy it over... . So easy on a Mac! Try that on a DOS box see if you get your Hidden System Files to go along with the copy? Cheers, Andrew My husband is still fascinated by the fact that whenever I want to copy a program from one Mac to another, I simply connect the two Macs and drag the program from one hard drive to the other. He can't get things like the Windows Registry out of his head... -- *** Amber Rhea *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tangerinecs.com/~amber For great justice -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
At 9:34 AM -0400 8/28/01, Amber Rhea wrote: My husband is still fascinated by the fact that whenever I want to copy a program from one Mac to another, I simply connect the two Macs and drag the program from one hard drive to the other. He can't get things like the Windows Registry out of his head... He's a PC user? Now I understand why he's making your get rid of most of your Macs. A good divorce lawyer can do wonders for this situation. ;-) -- --- My email address is changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - please change your address book. New Pictures: http://homepage.mac.com/stmoody/PhotoAlbum6.html --- http://homepage.mac.com/stmoody/ http://www.macunlimited.com/news/articles/TechTVverifies.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
-- From: Amber Rhea [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vintage Macs) Subject: Re: LCIII+ Date: Tue, Aug 28, 2001, 6:34 AM on 8/28/01 8:55 AM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pickle wrote: Plug in the other drive and just copy it over... My husband is still fascinated by the fact that whenever I want to copy a program from one Mac to another, I simply connect the two Macs and drag the program from one hard drive to the other. He can't get things like the Windows Registry out of his head... -- *** Amber Rhea *** If he starts to go into withdrawal, just remind him, Gates's major Windows Ideas came from the formative years at Macintosh, when the guys made the terrifying mistake of allowing him to form a temporary alliance with them. JEff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
At 10:34 AM -0700 8/28/01, J.S. Garrison wrote: If he starts to go into withdrawal, just remind him, Gates's major Windows Ideas came from the formative years at Macintosh, when the guys made the terrifying mistake of allowing him to form a temporary alliance with them. Everything Microsoft owns began as an acquired or copied product. Although Windows is the only copied product I can think of. Gates hasn't come up with anything original. He owes his success to his business sense. Gates could sell a concrete block to a drowning man. -- --- My email address is changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - please change your address book. New Pictures: http://homepage.mac.com/stmoody/PhotoAlbum6.html --- http://homepage.mac.com/stmoody/ http://www.macunlimited.com/news/articles/TechTVverifies.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
I think I'll try to get mom to use IE and Outlook, after I make sure all the latest patches are installed on Outlook. I've had it up to HERE with Netscape's refusal to fix the bugs that Navigator has had for years! Eudora Light is great for mail Now in place if NS you can go with Mosaic, Opera or iCab Steve Conrad 1818 Franklin Lexington, MO 64067 660-259-7176 http://sasha91.0pi.com It is no secret (nor should it come as any surprise) that humankind's most noble impulses often surface during the most trying of times, that human spirit rises to the challenge when faced with adversity, that human strength is born from human failings...Is it any wonder, then, that the SDF-1 crew became a tighter family after the fortress had been exiled than it had before? From the log of Captain (later Admiral) Henry Gloval -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
At 19:22 -0400 on 28/08/01, william ahearn wrote: Mosaic? Sure. Eudora Light is okay if you only have one mail account and it doesn't have a lot of traffic. Believe me on this one. Eudora Lite works great with multiple accounts and filters a helluva lot better than any of this Microsoft crap that people think is God's gift to e-mail... p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
At 19:22 -0400 on 28/08/01, william ahearn wrote: Mosaic? Sure. Eudora Light is okay if you only have one mail account and it doesn't have a lot of traffic. Believe me on this one. Eudora Lite works great with multiple accounts and filters a helluva lot better than any of this Microsoft crap that people think is God's gift to e-mail... p Not the version I'm using. Frankly, I've never found an email client that I loved. But then . . . Oh, nevermind. William all the little geeks with the inside speak go jmug rocks, jmug rocks http://www.jmug.org http://www.macheretics.com http://www.artaudsociety.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
At 20:17 -0400 on 28/08/01, william ahearn wrote: Not the version I'm using. Frankly, I've never found an email client that I What version are you using? (Stop arguing just to be arguing, Will. It's boring :-p) I'm not arguing with anybody. About what? Because I think CCs are overrated? That's not arging. That is a well-thought out critical appraisal based on having owned and dealt with just about every compact. OK, all of them but the CC2. And boring is a tad condescending. You really don't want to sound that way, do you? William PS I'm using an early version of EL but it's just temporary. all the little geeks with the inside speak go jmug rocks, jmug rocks http://www.jmug.org http://www.macheretics.com http://www.artaudsociety.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Moving apps. Re: LCIII+
(Edit: Perhaps I should write a LEM article on how to move an entire Mac System and everything to a new drive, and the same for Win9x, comparing them?) Do it. Peace Aqua -- Jessicat's Mac User Group - http://www.jmug.org/ The MacHeretics - http://www.macheretics.com/ Happy-Mac Web Hosting - http://www.happy-mac.com/ And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave us commandment. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
on 8/28/01 3:13 PM, Amber Rhea at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah!!! I just found the perfect solution for your compact mac space problem: throw out the wintel trash! Oh, if I could... The bliss... :) We have just the one Wintel piece of crap - uh, I mean, computer. Well, I shouldn't say we - it is in no way mine, it's Chris's, and no matter what I say, he won't go totally Windows-free. He doesn't like Windows or M$ but his excuse (so he says) for keeping Windows around is for the computer baseball and football games he likes to play. Otherwise he runs Linux. So you plop Virtual PC onto the G4 and say, Look honey, my *Mac* runs Windows better than your PC! Get him a Playstation for the sports games, and tada! No mo Windo. :) -- Alex Allee [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit EnigMac! Updated 07/29/2001 www.freehost.nu/members/enigmac/ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII and LCIII+
At 21:47 + on 25/08/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUT, watch that wattage/current requirements on that HD! the PSU in LC series is bit under 30W and most of it is given over to Not all of 'em. Apple claims 20-something for the Q605, but claims 47W for some of the other LC-class machines. I can't think of why they would have bothered to mess with the PS once they had a good one, but whatever. To know for sure, take the top off and look at the power supply yourself. That's the only way to know what your PS's capacity is for certain. p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
At 01:29 -0400 on 26/08/01, Receipts wrote: What is the best program to format a new drive, or re-format an old drive.? Apple's HD SC Setup with the patch detailed in the FAQ. Very simple, works on almost everything once it's patched. There are other formatters listed there that will probably work if HD SC Setup doesn't. Can someone give me a detailed description of the process from scratch? I have an existing 250 MB drive with the OS 7.1 and programs on it - how do I get all of that over to a new hard drive after it's been formatted? Plug in the other drive and just copy it over... p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
At 06:31 -0700 on 26/08/01, Andrew W. Hill wrote: What is the best program to format a new drive, or re-format an old drive.? Can someone give me a detailed description of the process from scratch? You'll want to use Hard Disk Speed Tools. Basically its a point and You know, cause the LC III is worth spending $35 or whatever Intech wants for HDST... p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII and LCIII+
At 21:47 + on 25/08/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUT, watch that wattage/current requirements on that HD! the PSU in LC series is bit under 30W and most of it is given over to Not all of 'em. Apple claims 20-something for the Q605, but claims 47W for some of the other LC-class machines. I can't think of why they would have bothered to mess with the PS once they had a good one, but whatever. To know for sure, take the top off and look at the power supply yourself. That's the only way to know what your PS's capacity is for certain. Also sometimes a rating you see may be the AC input power VA (Volt Amperes) rating as opposed to the DC output power rating in Watts (W). The difference is is partly the efficiency of the PS and partly a thing called the Power-Factor. I'm not going to get into the difference but suffice it to say that the input power rating will always be higher than the output power rating. Also if you figure the power rating based on the rated current input times voltage it can be even higher as the current rating is sometimes the peak value which only occurs at power supply startup. It may also include current to the monitor plug. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII and LCIII+
7.x.x is limited to 2 gigs. That's any version of 7. So if you want bigger than 2 gigs, you'll have to partition under 7.x.x. OS 7.6.1 and up doesn't have the limitation but the machine's limit is 7.6.1. So, if you want a I am pretty sure that 7.5.x can see terabyte disks (not that it is indeed very usefull with hfs)... Ah... Just found some proof: http://www.jagshouse.com/hard_drive_size.html Marten -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
What is the best program to format a new drive, or re-format an old drive.? Can someone give me a detailed description of the process from scratch? You'll want to use Hard Disk Speed Tools. Basically its a point and click thing. Select the drive you want to format from a list, and hit the Format button. I have an existing 250 MB drive with the OS 7.1 and programs on it - how do I get all of that over to a new hard drive after it's been formatted? Do you have an external case? Peace Aqua -- Jessicat's Mac User Group - http://www.jmug.org/ The MacHeretics - http://www.macheretics.com/ Happy-Mac Web Hosting - http://www.happy-mac.com/ And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave us commandment. - John 3:23 -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
At 09:31 AM 8/26/2001, you wrote: What is the best program to format a new drive, or re-format an old drive.? Can someone give me a detailed description of the process from scratch? You'll want to use Hard Disk Speed Tools. Basically its a point and click thing. Select the drive you want to format from a list, and hit the Format button. I have an existing 250 MB drive with the OS 7.1 and programs on it - how do I get all of that over to a new hard drive after it's been formatted? Do you have an external case? Peace Aqua -- Nope, no external case, except one with a syquest drive and one with a 600e. Can they be used temporarily? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
My Reply follows quote. On 26/08/2001 07:15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Receipts) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:31 AM 8/26/2001, you wrote: What is the best program to format a new drive, or re-format an old drive.? Can someone give me a detailed description of the process from scratch? You'll want to use Hard Disk Speed Tools. Basically its a point and click thing. Select the drive you want to format from a list, and hit the Format button. I have an existing 250 MB drive with the OS 7.1 and programs on it - how do I get all of that over to a new hard drive after it's been formatted? Do you have an external case? Peace Aqua -- Nope, no external case, except one with a syquest drive and one with a 600e. Can they be used temporarily? - If both are SCSI drives, there should be no problem. You may have to check the website for the manufacturer of the 250mb drive to make sure you can set the drive ID jumper. Though many drives have the same kind of jumper pins and pin numbers, there are enough oddities so that it is pure luck when the SCSI ID plug can be merely swapped when you change out the drive in a case. Good luck! Ken Daggett http://home1.gte.net/res0bznj/index.htm -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII+
At 09:31 AM 8/26/2001, you wrote: What is the best program to format a new drive, or re-format an old drive.? Can someone give me a detailed description of the process from scratch? You'll want to use Hard Disk Speed Tools. Basically its a point and click thing. Select the drive you want to format from a list, and hit the Format button. I have an existing 250 MB drive with the OS 7.1 and programs on it - how do I get all of that over to a new hard drive after it's been formatted? Do you have an external case? Peace Aqua -- Nope, no external case, except one with a syquest drive and one with a 600e. Can they be used temporarily? Maybe not the Syquest. Those are hard to get out. The 600e, totally. Thats an easy pull. Drop it into the 600e's case and just copy straight across. I recommend that you install the OS and Programs using the original installers, but if that isn't practical... just make sure you get it all. Peace Aqua -- Jessicat's Mac User Group - http://www.jmug.org/ The MacHeretics - http://www.macheretics.com/ Happy-Mac Web Hosting - http://www.happy-mac.com/ And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave us commandment. - John 3:23 -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII and LCIII+
Is there any limitation on the size of the SCSI drive installed in these computers? Any problems that can be encountered? Any thing I should know? 7.x.x is limited to 2 gigs. That's any version of 7. So if you want bigger than 2 gigs, you'll have to partition under 7.x.x. OS 7.6.1 and up doesn't have the limitation but the machine's limit is 7.6.1. So, if you want a bigger drive, get 7.6.1. The only problem with drives in the pizza boxes is size. Believe you need a 1/3 height but I'm not betting the farm on that since it's been a while since I had an LCIII. But less height for sure. No problems with drives that I've ever encountered. LC IIIs are great to upgrade and maintain. Real easy. Should be no problems. William all the little geeks with the inside speak go jmug rocks, jmug rocks -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII type 28 error
At 22:03 -0700 on 24/07/01, Jeff Garrison wrote: -Original Message- From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: Re: LCIII type 28 error At 12:43 -0400 on 24/07/01, Chelley Vician wrote: Methinks FWB and 7.5.5 don't get along too well; try upgrading to 7.6.1 or downgrading to 7.1 Update 3 and see what happens. 7.5.x was generally pretty buggy compared to 7.1 or 7.6. My LCIII that has a Performa 475 motherboard was used to test a mountain of external CD ROMS yesterday. It's got 7.5.5 and they were coexisting quite well, thank you. How do you know you have the same version of FWB that Chelley does? p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII type 28 error
Addendum to Gregg's comment I made up a special Conflict Catcher set -- system 7-7.5.5 only PLUS the FWB CD-ROM Toolkit group --- and tried booting with this setup. Here is the message I got: An unexpected error occurred, because an error of type 28 occurred. The CD-ROM drive is the only SCSI device that is connected to the LCIII. Also, if the SyQuest driver is a problem (and in the set above I have it disabled), what else can be used as a driver for the SyQuest? Thanks for any help you can provide. --chelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vintage Macs) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:28:53 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vintage Macs) Subject: Re: LCIII type 28 error --- Chelley Vician [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you startup an LCIII, and get an error message (Type 28), what does that mean? snip Most likely any extentions or control panels installed for the SyQuest or the tape drive popping an error when they don't pind thier hardware attached. Stuff like that is just supposed to not load or load and self disable but badly written extentions and control panels can cause errors like that. I'd dump the SyQuest drivers, they're junk and other utils do a better job with those drives. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII type 28 error
--- Chelley Vician [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Addendum to Gregg's comment I made up a special Conflict Catcher set -- system 7-7.5.5 only PLUS the FWB CD-ROM Toolkit group --- and tried booting with this setup. Here is the message I got: An unexpected error occurred, because an error of type 28 occurred. The CD-ROM drive is the only SCSI device that is connected to the LCIII. Also, if the SyQuest driver is a problem (and in the set above I have it disabled), what else can be used as a driver for the SyQuest? Just about any hard disk driver other than Apple's, if it supports removable devices. One I use is Turbo MO Mounter which does a nice job of ensuring my Magneto Optical drive mounts when I pop the disk in. Looks like it should work with other removables. An alternative is just popping a disk in before booting. Then the system loads the driver off that disk and uses it for all other disks put in that drive that session. Its a risky business though if you have disks with different brands of driver. Some of them don't like each other a lot. *CRASH**BOMB* = The earth swarms with inhabitants. Why then should nature, which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in the rest of the planets? Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My ICQ# 16024947 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Price drops. Re: LCIII Memory
--- Steve Moody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got that 32MB SIMM cheaper than an 4 MB SIMM cost 5 years ago. For as long as I've been playing with computers, I can never get used to how fast prices drop on old technology. Quite True. I had an electronics Teacher once, who said, Electronics is the ONLY industry where prices continue to drop. Computers seem to be the prime example of that statement. My good friend/Mac mentor paid about $6,500 for her IIci with 4 MEG of RAM, 80 MEG hard drive monitor. When you compare that to how much computing power you can buy today for $6,500, it's just amazing! Cheers, Andrew -- PM7100/80 - Sonnet G3/260, 88 8.6 PM6100/66 - 601/66, 16 8.1 IIci/25 - TokaMac '040/60, 64 7.1 SE/30 - '030/16, 8 7.1 SE - '000/8, 4 6.0.8 5 Plus' - '000/8, 4 6.0.8 -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII type 28 error
At 12:43 -0400 on 24/07/01, Chelley Vician wrote: When you startup an LCIII, and get an error message (Type 28), what does that mean? Background: I have an LCIII that is maxed out in RAM and has a 270MB drive. It has been sitting in storage for a bit. I set it up yesterday and it booted fine, although it appears that the PRAM battery is dead because it thinks it is 1956. That aside, I tried connecting SCSI devices as I wish to use this machine as a backup server for my other Macs. I could successfully connect a SyQuest 230MB removable, my APS tape backup drive, and another external hard drive. When I tried connecting my external 4X CD-Rom drive---by itself, not with other SCSI devices (that used to be always connected to this Mac), the Mac would not startup and would show the Type 28 error code. I even tried re-installing FWB CD-Rom Toolkit and got the same results (though it just said System error and did not give me the code). Methinks FWB and 7.5.5 don't get along too well; try upgrading to 7.6.1 or downgrading to 7.1 Update 3 and see what happens. 7.5.x was generally pretty buggy compared to 7.1 or 7.6. p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII Memory
At 16:38 -0400 on 22/07/01, Steve Moody wrote: I have an LCII that I recently bought to play with. I also got a 32MB SIMM to add memory to it. Now, I am confused. There are two I'm going to assume the subject line is correct and you have an LC III, not an LC II as you just typed :) spots where I can put a SIMM. According to system specs at apple.com, this machine is upgradable with only one SIMM. There is Right. There's only one 72-pin slot. also the option of adding memory for the video. I assume one is for video. One SIMM slot is along the power supply. The other is along the edged of the motherboard between the hard drive and floppy drive cables. Which one is the right one to plug in my SIMM? The other one is for VRAM, and your chip won't fit in there if you try to put it in that slot. It only fits one of the two slots. p _ the pickle The FAQ http://macfaq.binhost.com/ The Archive http://www.jmug.org/software/thepickle/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: LCIII Utilities Disk
-Original Message- From: roland drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 09, 2001 5:15 AM Subject: Re: LCIII Utilities Disk Dear List: I have an old version of Norton Utilities (version 2.0) from which I would like to make an Emergency Floppy Disk. The two Emergency disks which I have are for earlier models than the LCIII. I tried creating a boot disk with a minimal System 7.1 on it, but I could include Norton Disk Doctor and Speed Disk on the same floppy. There simply wasn't enough room. Is there a way to create a boot disk and include these two applications on the same floppy? Roland :) No way to make more room, either, on a floppy. You ma y make a little headway by making a minimal install onto a floppy, then remove all but the system AND finder. See what you can fit there, then. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | - Epson Stylus Color 740 Printers refurbished $79 | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac, sign up for PayPal, possible $5 bonus. http://lowendmac.com/ad/paypal.html Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html - - - - - Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.binhost.com/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
