Re: Not As It Seems To Be

[David Chittenden]

Theoretically, what you say sounds logical. Reality has, thus far (in the 
mobile market especially), proved the opposite. The numbers speak for 
themselves. I have worked in both markets for several years. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 25/01/2013, at 18:34, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> Except there's no competition for VoiceOver, while I know of at least
> four screen readers for Windows, one of which is free. I can see a
> situation where MS would put out a screen reader, which may actually be
> pretty good at first, it would drive the other screen readers out of
> business, and then with no competition, it would deteriorate over time,
> like say IE 6 did before Firefox and then Chrome came on the scene. Sure
> you can say this is the market place at work, namely the market saw a
> need, saw IE 6 rotting on the vine and came out with some competition. I
> wouldn't want to be a blind person looking for work while the market was
> trying to fill that screen reader need. You can call me short sighted if
> you like, but I think the blind have some valid concerns here, and I
> don't think the situation is as simple or black and white as you make it
> out to be.
> 
> Let's take another example, suppose MS comes out with a screen reader.
> It'll work just fine with MS Outlook. MS would have no interest in
> making Lotus Notes work with their screen reader. Now will JAWS continue
> to survive catering to the Lotus Notes market? Will any screen reader
> fill this void? How much will such a screen reader end up costing being
> targeted at such a small market? Who's responsibility is it to ensure a
> screen reader supports Lotus Notes? MS's response would be that everyone
> should switch to Outlook. Lotus isn't going to be able to even pay MS to
> work with them to get Notes supported or develop their own screen
> reader. You could say that Lotus should just make Notes accessible and
> conform to MS's accessibility guidelines, which might mean that Notes
> loses its' differentiation in the market, so they won't go there. Now
> blind people can't go to work in companies that use Lotus Notes, and I'd
> extend that a bit to say that they can only end up working in all MS
> shops or all Apple shops. No 3rd party applications allowed.
> 
> Maybe I'm overstating the situation here, but like I said above, I think
> you're over simplifying the situation making it seem that things would
> be better if MS came out with it's own screen reader. I personally don't
> think the answer is to keep MS from coming out with a screen reader. I
> think Apple has demonstrated what an OS provider can do when they
> include a screen reader, but I think it's naive to think the market
> place will take care of the blind, and we'll be better off in this
> situation. It could end up that way, but I'm not convinced of that, and
> I don't think someone who is concerned what this would mean for the
> blind is short sighted.
> 
> On 24/01/13 18:07, David Chittenden wrote:
>> Yes, and you ignore the fact that, unless such a screen reader was at least 
>> as effective as those currently on the market, the existing screen readers 
>> would remain viable and available because government and industry would 
>> continue using them. Both the ADA and the Rehab Act require it.
>> 
>> Let me be clear about why I state your position is short-sighted. 
>> Competition leads to improvement. Encouraging the OS developer to not 
>> develop a screen reader means protecting the screen reader developers - IE 
>> ensuring that they do not have meaningful competition which forces them to 
>> innovate. Put another way, you are encouraging that which you say you are 
>> trying to keep from occurring, protectionism of a market.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 25/01/2013, at 11:57, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
>> 
>>> If a similar issue were to come up again I would again resolutely be "short 
>>> sighted" and vote "NO!"  It doesn't bother me to be labeled "short sighted" 
>>> because at that time Microsoft had shown no serious intention to be 
>>> concerned about accessibility until the State of Massachusetts had 
>>> implemented a policy to not use Microsoft products until MS straightened 
>>> out it's act.  And let's not forget that Microsoft is a highly 
>>> "proprietary" outfit.
>>> 
>>> Holland's Man, Bill
>>> - "A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running."
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Re: ITV player inaccessibility

[Søren Jensen]

Hi.
Well, there are many apps which are called ITv. What developer and what app are 
you talking about?
The developer choose if they wanna follow Apples guidelines and make their app 
accessible. They choose if they'll only let some people use their app or if 
they want all people who have an iPhone or iPad to use their app. If they won't 
listen, we should just tell them how many people world wide which are unable to 
use their app, find an other alternative and don't care. It's recommended to 
send the link to Apple developer where all the details regarding how to make an 
accessible app is mentioned.
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
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Den 25/01/2013 kl. 06.39 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :

> Hello Philippa,
>  
> Their reply is certainly not encouraging. I also read William’s message to 
> their support team and while he mentions that he is a Voiceover user, I 
> typically give a few lines more background when I approach a developer. I 
> mention that I am of course blind which if somebody isn’t familiar exactly 
> with Voiceover, he or she may not even consider. I also mention that due to 
> Apple’s commitment to accessibility the iPhone is fully accessible and that 
> more and more visually impaired people adopt this platform every day which 
> means that already now many thousands of visually impaired people world wide, 
> probably that’s actually tens of thousands, use iDevices. I mostly also 
> mention Viphone which is just one list but which already has well over 1,400 
> members.
>  
> I think some of these facts and the fact that many developers do make their 
> apps accessible gives a company more incentive to look into it.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Philippa Woodcraft
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:19 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: ITV player inaccessibility
>  
> hi all. 
>  
> as no doubt some of you know, ITV app on iPad or iPhone is completely 
> inaccessible to VO users. below is what they said when my fiancee wrote to 
> them and asked them to consider fixing the issue. would as many people as 
> possible write to them and raise the point? we might be able to do something 
> about it if enough of us complain?
>  
> thanks. Philippa 
>  
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "ITV.com Support" 
> Date: 24 January 2013 17:15:39 GMT
> To: w.lo...@icloud.com
> Subject: RE: Accessibility iPad application <<#31865-90011#>>
> 
> Dear William
>  
> Thank you for contacting ITV.
>  
> There are no plans to add this feature in the near future.
>  
> I apologise for any inconvenience.
>  
> Please do not hesitate to contact us should you have any further questions.
>  
> Kind Regards
>  
> Adam
> ITV Customer Support
> 
> 
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> 
> Hello, 
> As a voice-over user of your application on the iPad, I'm not able to select 
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Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[Grant Hardy]

Hello Sieghard:

I have no doubt that the task is possible on a PC using a number of
solutions. My point was just to illustrate the simplicity of doing it
in iOS.

Cheers.

Grant

On 1/24/13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Grant,
>
> Could you not have used Skype for the Facebook chat session? I don't want
> to
> say it's not perfectly OK to use the iPhone as from what you described it
> worked well, but you can link your Facebook account to Skype and I have
> chatted with people where I was on Skype and they were on Facebook. There
> seems to be very little difference from both being on Skype. I have, of
> course, not tried this with a number of people, but as long as you run Doug
> Lee's Skype scripts for Jaws doing Instant Messaging with Skype and Jaws
> works beautifully.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Grant Hardy
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?
>
> ^It's worth pointing out that there are plenty, plenty of apps, both on the
> job and not, that JAWS doesn't work with at all including many of the
> built-in apps included in Windows 8, as well as most third-party "metro"
> apps. While you may have lucked out in your particular case with Lotus
> Notes
> on the job, there are plenty of other JAWS users that have encountered
> inaccessible or inefficient apps. An app being accessible to JAWS isn't the
> exception, but it isn't the rule either. No finger-pointing here, but
> simply
> my opinion.
>
> Recently, in the course of my university studies I encountered a situation
> where I needed to arrange an online chat with a group of people to
> collaborate. After investigating various ways to do that with JAWS on my
> PC,
> I presently changed course and turned to the device I'm learning to depend
> on more and more: my iPhone. That device, where I paid zero dollars for the
> screen reader, offered a totally accessible group chat environment that
> lent
> itself perfectly to my purposes. I'm not saying that I could not have done
> this on my PC, but this was a fast-paced and time-sensitive environment
> where backing out due to the chat not working, wasn't really an option.
> Frankly, I trusted my iPhone quite a bit more than my PC in this situation.
> (For the record, we were using Facebook Chat to conduct the meeting, a
> surprisingly tricky task to accomplish on a PC it seems).
>
> The reality is, everything on the iPhone talks out of the box, and
> VoiceOver
> accessible apps seem to be the rule rather than the exception. Rather than
> analyzing the politics of the screen reader in question, I just want to
> know
> whether it's going to meet my needs and how much I can do with it. iOS
> seems
> to be leading the way at present, and I haven't seen anything to suggest
> that building the screen reader into the OS is a bad thing, quite the
> contrary actually, it seems to make things that much more robust.
>
>
>
> On 1/24/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
>> concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
>> sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had
>> come out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior
>> screen reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For
>> example, I doubt very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus
>> Notes accessible with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my
>> job years ago. I think there's a real concern with having the screen
>> reader being developed by the same company that develops the OS and the
> applications.
>> Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment,
>> but I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO.
>> It's obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but
>> I can see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like
>> Chrome, MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app
>> developer to make their application accessible, but I need accessible
>> apps and not finger pointing between the OS developer and the app
> developer.
>>
>>
>> On 23/01/13 19:19, David Chittenden wrote:
>>> Then, I am doubly thankful that Apple exhibited the foresight to not
>>> check with the apparently short-sighted blindness community.
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 24/01/2013, at 6:03, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
>>>
 Please pardon me for this somewhat off topic message, but I do feel
 obligated to clear the air just a wee bit on a subtle matter that
 has come up in the original thread.

 Now first, let me say that I also am extremely pleased with my
 iPhone 5 and the embedded accessibility.  And likewise; major, major
>

Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement

[Grant Hardy]

I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One thing I
would do right away is switch off location services for the app; I
don't believe there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually,
this is the case for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no
tangible benefit to you to have location services on and in fact it
probably has a small impact on battery life.

Grant

On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the privacy
> statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement below. It does
> seem that this app is sending info out to be recognized. Just an FYI for
> those concerned.
>
> YOu can find the statement here:
>
> http://www.privacychoice.org/policy/mobile?policy=bcc6df12269895d5e2619c8cb30454a8
>
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Help

[mfscott]

Hi Folks,
Well, it finally happened!  My iPhone 4S running IOS 6.0.2 has quit talking.  
I've tried restting the iPhone and restoring from backup but no difference.  I 
had Voiceover set up to turn on and off with triple tapping the home button but 
this doesn't make and difference either Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Marshall

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RE: Questions about the OOTunes app

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi, 

 

Yes. When you open OoTunes, stop the station that is playing if it is
launched automatically. Double-tap on the "favorites" tab. In the right hand
corner, there will be an edit b button. Double-tap on that. All of your
stations will be listed. There will be a delete button, followed by the
station, and then a button to reorder the channel. Do a 1-finger double-tap
and hold and slide it up or down depending on where you want to move the
station in your favorite list. When you are finish, double-tap on the done
button in the upper right hand corner. HTH. 

 

Eileen 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Marcos Rodrigues
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Questions about the OOTunes app

 

Hi friends:

 

I would like to reorganize the radio stations I have on my favorites in a
different order.

 

Is it possible to do this?

 

Regards.

Marcos Rodrigues

mrodrigue...@hotmail.com

 

 

 

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RE: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Grant,

Could you not have used Skype for the Facebook chat session? I don't want to
say it's not perfectly OK to use the iPhone as from what you described it
worked well, but you can link your Facebook account to Skype and I have
chatted with people where I was on Skype and they were on Facebook. There
seems to be very little difference from both being on Skype. I have, of
course, not tried this with a number of people, but as long as you run Doug
Lee's Skype scripts for Jaws doing Instant Messaging with Skype and Jaws
works beautifully.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Grant Hardy
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

^It's worth pointing out that there are plenty, plenty of apps, both on the
job and not, that JAWS doesn't work with at all including many of the
built-in apps included in Windows 8, as well as most third-party "metro"
apps. While you may have lucked out in your particular case with Lotus Notes
on the job, there are plenty of other JAWS users that have encountered
inaccessible or inefficient apps. An app being accessible to JAWS isn't the
exception, but it isn't the rule either. No finger-pointing here, but simply
my opinion.

Recently, in the course of my university studies I encountered a situation
where I needed to arrange an online chat with a group of people to
collaborate. After investigating various ways to do that with JAWS on my PC,
I presently changed course and turned to the device I'm learning to depend
on more and more: my iPhone. That device, where I paid zero dollars for the
screen reader, offered a totally accessible group chat environment that lent
itself perfectly to my purposes. I'm not saying that I could not have done
this on my PC, but this was a fast-paced and time-sensitive environment
where backing out due to the chat not working, wasn't really an option.
Frankly, I trusted my iPhone quite a bit more than my PC in this situation.
(For the record, we were using Facebook Chat to conduct the meeting, a
surprisingly tricky task to accomplish on a PC it seems).

The reality is, everything on the iPhone talks out of the box, and VoiceOver
accessible apps seem to be the rule rather than the exception. Rather than
analyzing the politics of the screen reader in question, I just want to know
whether it's going to meet my needs and how much I can do with it. iOS seems
to be leading the way at present, and I haven't seen anything to suggest
that building the screen reader into the OS is a bad thing, quite the
contrary actually, it seems to make things that much more robust.



On 1/24/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed 
> concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short 
> sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had 
> come out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior 
> screen reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For 
> example, I doubt very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus 
> Notes accessible with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my 
> job years ago. I think there's a real concern with having the screen 
> reader being developed by the same company that develops the OS and the
applications.
> Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment, 
> but I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO. 
> It's obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but 
> I can see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like 
> Chrome, MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app 
> developer to make their application accessible, but I need accessible 
> apps and not finger pointing between the OS developer and the app
developer.
>
>
> On 23/01/13 19:19, David Chittenden wrote:
>> Then, I am doubly thankful that Apple exhibited the foresight to not 
>> check with the apparently short-sighted blindness community.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 24/01/2013, at 6:03, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
>>
>>> Please pardon me for this somewhat off topic message, but I do feel 
>>> obligated to clear the air just a wee bit on a subtle matter that 
>>> has come up in the original thread.
>>>
>>> Now first, let me say that I also am extremely pleased with my 
>>> iPhone 5 and the embedded accessibility.  And likewise; major, major 
>>> KUDOS to Apple for having the (dare I say) foresight to design that 
>>> accessibility right into their products.  Certainly, Apple is to be 
>>> commended for the effort to provide devices that customers can use 
>>> right out of the box without incurring additional, prohibitive expense.
>>>
>>> But I have to point out that Microsoft at one point

RE: Lost VoiceOver After Reset

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Tom and Reggie,

I have had an iPod Touch for a year starting in September of 2009, then I
had an iPhone 4 in the Fall of 2010 and bought a 4S in October 2011. I think
in those more than 3 years I had to use the hard reset or whatever you want
to call the Power Button/Home Key combination maybe 2 or 3 times. I remember
the first time with my iPod Touch it was probably not even necessary, I was
on holidays and Voiceover disappeared, but I know from asking a sighted
person that the iPod was still working just fine. I was fairly new at that
point and I think now that I probably experienced Voiceover volume dropping
to 0 and I could have most likely fixed it.

The point is that an app doing something unexpected like kicking you back
out to the home screen is no reason to do a hard reset. My first step would
be to empty the app switcher and then turn the phone off and back on as
Apple suggests. That's a complete reboot just as it is if you turn your
computer off and back on. If that doesn't help the second option would be to
delete the app and then redownload/reinstall it. If that doesn't help a hard
reset certainly won't help.

Even if Voiceover is somehow gone it is still easy to find out if the iPhone
is still on, all you have to do is flick the mute switch and if the phone is
on and reacting it will vibrate briefly as you turn Mute on. If that works I
can typically turn the phone off by pressing and holding the power button
for about 4 or at most 5 seconds, that should be plenty of time for the
"Slide to power off" message to appear and then a double tap anywhere on the
phone will turn it off. You can wait about 3 to 5 seconds to make sure it
has powered down and then flick the mute switch again, if nothing happens
the phone is off. Then give the power button a good solid 1 second press and
wait 20 to 30 seconds depending on which phone you have and see if Voiceover
comes back on.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Lange
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lost VoiceOver After Reset

Hi,
Yeah, I hear where you're coming from, Reggie, but on the other hand, 
playing devil's advocate for a second,  I think I understand why they don't 
want us doing that, although their response to you should not have been rude

or condescending in any way.To me, the verbiage in the iPhone 4  manual 
itself seems a bit confusing on this point.  Perhaps a little more technical

detail on the implications of these procedures would have been in order 
here.  Here's what it says:

Begin quote.


Restarting and Resetting iPhone



If something isn't working right, try restarting iPhone, force 
quitting an app, or resetting iPhone.



Restart iPhone: Press and hold the On/Off Sleep/Wake button 
until the red slider appears.  Slide your finger across the slider to turn 
off iPhone.  To turn iPhone back on, press and hold the On/Off Sleep/Wake 
button until the Apple logo appears.



If you can't turn off iPhone or if the problem continues, you 
may need to reset iPhone.  A reset should be done only if turning iPhone off

and on doesn't resolve the problem.



Force quit an app: Press and hold the On/Off Sleep/Wake button 
for a few seconds until a red slider appears, then press and hold the Home 
button until the app quits.



On iPhone 3GS or later, you can also remove an app from the 
recents list to force it to quit.  See "Opening and Switching Apps" on page 
28.



Reset iPhone: Press and hold the On/Off Sleep/Wake button and 
the Home button at the same time for at least ten seconds, until the Apple 
logo appears.



For more troubleshooting suggestions, see Appendix A, "Support 
and Other Information," on page 242.



  End quote.



If I read the above correctly, it sounds like what they call a reset is in 
fact a hard reset which could and perhaps should reset VoiceOver, although 
that seems drastic to me; it shouldn't disable Triple-Click Home in my view.



Any thoughts on this?



Tom





- Original Message - 
From: "Regina Alvarado" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:23 AM
Subject: RE: Lost VoiceOver After Reset


> Accessibility does not care about this.  They don't want us doing the home
> button/on/off button reboot.  They blamed me for the problem, and not easy
> for me to get sighted help when nobody in my home can see a lick.  Angry
> about their lack of understanding but I just don't do it.  If I ever need 
> to
> turn it off like that I will take it to an Apple store, even if it costs 
> me
> to do so.  Let them deal with my mess! Just reboot from the on/off, and
> voice will come back on. Accessibility, in this case, yeah right! It was 
> not
> even a nice letter.  That is why I have never written to them again for 
> any
> concern.
> Reggie
>
> -Original Me

RE: ITV player inaccessibility

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Philippa,

 

Their reply is certainly not encouraging. I also read William's message to
their support team and while he mentions that he is a Voiceover user, I
typically give a few lines more background when I approach a developer. I
mention that I am of course blind which if somebody isn't familiar exactly
with Voiceover, he or she may not even consider. I also mention that due to
Apple's commitment to accessibility the iPhone is fully accessible and that
more and more visually impaired people adopt this platform every day which
means that already now many thousands of visually impaired people world
wide, probably that's actually tens of thousands, use iDevices. I mostly
also mention Viphone which is just one list but which already has well over
1,400 members.

 

I think some of these facts and the fact that many developers do make their
apps accessible gives a company more incentive to look into it.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 

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Subject: ITV player inaccessibility

 

hi all. 

 

as no doubt some of you know, ITV app on iPad or iPhone is completely
inaccessible to VO users. below is what they said when my fiancee wrote to
them and asked them to consider fixing the issue. would as many people as
possible write to them and raise the point? we might be able to do something
about it if enough of us complain?

 

thanks. Philippa 

 

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Dear William 

  

Thank you for contacting ITV. 

 

There are no plans to add this feature in the near future.

 

I apologise for any inconvenience.

 

Please do not hesitate to contact us should you have any further questions.

 

Kind Regards

 

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Hello, 
As a voice-over user of your application on the iPad, I'm not able to select
the play option for any given program. Can this please be investigated and
resolved for the next version? To enable voice-over please go to settings,
general, accessibility regards, William 

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Re: Not As It Seems To Be

[Christopher Chaltain]

Except there's no competition for VoiceOver, while I know of at least
four screen readers for Windows, one of which is free. I can see a
situation where MS would put out a screen reader, which may actually be
pretty good at first, it would drive the other screen readers out of
business, and then with no competition, it would deteriorate over time,
like say IE 6 did before Firefox and then Chrome came on the scene. Sure
you can say this is the market place at work, namely the market saw a
need, saw IE 6 rotting on the vine and came out with some competition. I
wouldn't want to be a blind person looking for work while the market was
trying to fill that screen reader need. You can call me short sighted if
you like, but I think the blind have some valid concerns here, and I
don't think the situation is as simple or black and white as you make it
out to be.

Let's take another example, suppose MS comes out with a screen reader.
It'll work just fine with MS Outlook. MS would have no interest in
making Lotus Notes work with their screen reader. Now will JAWS continue
to survive catering to the Lotus Notes market? Will any screen reader
fill this void? How much will such a screen reader end up costing being
targeted at such a small market? Who's responsibility is it to ensure a
screen reader supports Lotus Notes? MS's response would be that everyone
should switch to Outlook. Lotus isn't going to be able to even pay MS to
work with them to get Notes supported or develop their own screen
reader. You could say that Lotus should just make Notes accessible and
conform to MS's accessibility guidelines, which might mean that Notes
loses its' differentiation in the market, so they won't go there. Now
blind people can't go to work in companies that use Lotus Notes, and I'd
extend that a bit to say that they can only end up working in all MS
shops or all Apple shops. No 3rd party applications allowed.

Maybe I'm overstating the situation here, but like I said above, I think
you're over simplifying the situation making it seem that things would
be better if MS came out with it's own screen reader. I personally don't
think the answer is to keep MS from coming out with a screen reader. I
think Apple has demonstrated what an OS provider can do when they
include a screen reader, but I think it's naive to think the market
place will take care of the blind, and we'll be better off in this
situation. It could end up that way, but I'm not convinced of that, and
I don't think someone who is concerned what this would mean for the
blind is short sighted.

On 24/01/13 18:07, David Chittenden wrote:
> Yes, and you ignore the fact that, unless such a screen reader was at least 
> as effective as those currently on the market, the existing screen readers 
> would remain viable and available because government and industry would 
> continue using them. Both the ADA and the Rehab Act require it.
> 
> Let me be clear about why I state your position is short-sighted. Competition 
> leads to improvement. Encouraging the OS developer to not develop a screen 
> reader means protecting the screen reader developers - IE ensuring that they 
> do not have meaningful competition which forces them to innovate. Put another 
> way, you are encouraging that which you say you are trying to keep from 
> occurring, protectionism of a market.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 25/01/2013, at 11:57, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
> 
>> If a similar issue were to come up again I would again resolutely be "short 
>> sighted" and vote "NO!"  It doesn't bother me to be labeled "short sighted" 
>> because at that time Microsoft had shown no serious intention to be 
>> concerned about accessibility until the State of Massachusetts had 
>> implemented a policy to not use Microsoft products until MS straightened out 
>> it's act.  And let's not forget that Microsoft is a highly "proprietary" 
>> outfit.
>> 
>> Holland's Man, Bill
>> - "A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running."
>> - Julius Henry (Groucho) Marx, 1890 - 1977 
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over drive

[Jan Stirbens]

Hello,

I downloaded over drive on my iPhone, but am at a loss as to how it works.
Would someone email me instructions?  Any help is appreciated.

Jan

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Re: Lost VoiceOver After Reset

[Tom Lange]

Hi,
Yeah, I hear where you're coming from, Reggie, but on the other hand, 
playing devil's advocate for a second,  I think I understand why they don't 
want us doing that, although their response to you should not have been rude 
or condescending in any way.To me, the verbiage in the iPhone 4  manual 
itself seems a bit confusing on this point.  Perhaps a little more technical 
detail on the implications of these procedures would have been in order 
here.  Here's what it says:


Begin quote.


Restarting and Resetting iPhone



   If something isn't working right, try restarting iPhone, force 
quitting an app, or resetting iPhone.




   Restart iPhone: Press and hold the On/Off Sleep/Wake button 
until the red slider appears.  Slide your finger across the slider to turn 
off iPhone.  To turn iPhone back on, press and hold the On/Off Sleep/Wake 
button until the Apple logo appears.




   If you can't turn off iPhone or if the problem continues, you 
may need to reset iPhone.  A reset should be done only if turning iPhone off 
and on doesn't resolve the problem.




   Force quit an app: Press and hold the On/Off Sleep/Wake button 
for a few seconds until a red slider appears, then press and hold the Home 
button until the app quits.




   On iPhone 3GS or later, you can also remove an app from the 
recents list to force it to quit.  See "Opening and Switching Apps" on page 
28.




   Reset iPhone: Press and hold the On/Off Sleep/Wake button and 
the Home button at the same time for at least ten seconds, until the Apple 
logo appears.




   For more troubleshooting suggestions, see Appendix A, "Support 
and Other Information," on page 242.




 End quote.



If I read the above correctly, it sounds like what they call a reset is in 
fact a hard reset which could and perhaps should reset VoiceOver, although 
that seems drastic to me; it shouldn't disable Triple-Click Home in my view.




Any thoughts on this?



Tom





- Original Message - 
From: "Regina Alvarado" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:23 AM
Subject: RE: Lost VoiceOver After Reset



Accessibility does not care about this.  They don't want us doing the home
button/on/off button reboot.  They blamed me for the problem, and not easy
for me to get sighted help when nobody in my home can see a lick.  Angry
about their lack of understanding but I just don't do it.  If I ever need 
to
turn it off like that I will take it to an Apple store, even if it costs 
me

to do so.  Let them deal with my mess! Just reboot from the on/off, and
voice will come back on. Accessibility, in this case, yeah right! It was 
not
even a nice letter.  That is why I have never written to them again for 
any

concern.
Reggie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandratomkins
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lost VoiceOver After Reset

Hi,

   Just to clear something up here: as  I have lost VO several times now
after a reset, I have discovered that the thing which gets turned off is 
not

VO, but the default to triple click home. So, if you get sighted help to
enable vo, just get teh mto go to settings/general/accessibility and go 
down

to the bottom of the screen to find the tripple click home options and go
into that and enable Vo. Unfortunately, once this has happened, all of 
your

accessibility settings will have defaulted to the factory settings, so you
will have to go into VO and sort them out to your liking, but at least, 
once

VO is reenabled, you will be able to do this independently.

   Because this bug seems to only affect the accessibility settings, I
imagine that apple is less aware of it than of other bugs in IOS6.1, so
maybe we should keep drawing their attention to it so that when the next
upgrade to the IOS comes out, it will be addressed.

   Thanks, Sandy.

Sent from my iPhone

On 23 Jan 2013, at 17:11, Nimit Kaur  wrote:


Helllo Tom,

You might need a sighted person with you if you're blind.  Well, tell
that person to go to settings, than general and then accessibility and
than voiceover on.  Since you can't hear vo talking you might need a
sighted person to set it up again.  And yes, I would have personally
turned off my device and turn it on again instead of resetting first.
Thanks and hope it clears your anxiousness.


On 1/23/13, Regina Alvarado  wrote:

Tom:

David and some others have more experience trying to reproduce this. 
For

me
it was once burned, you know the saying! I never have done the reset 
with
home and on/off again.  I just turn my phone off and reboot, and it 
seems

to
work.  Don't think Apple has any thoughts of fixing as accessibility

wrote

back to me when I asked them about this and told me it was my fault for
using this shutdown.  You can always turn on VO from iTunes, but I still
have not figured out how.  iTunes doe

Re: IPod Touch Password Safety In Eating Place With Wi Fi?

[Grant Hardy]

With the screen curtain on, you shouldn't need to shield the screen as
it completely hides the contents of the screen. I'd recommend at least
a four-digit passcode to secure your iPod Touch's data in case it is
stolen. You can set one up under settings/general/Passcode Lock.
Beyond that, I suppose the only possible worry would be open,
unsecured WIFI networks--there's a slim chance that data could be
intercepted. But if your Email account uses a secure (SSL) connection
and you aren't transmitting extremely sensitive data that isn't on
SSL, I wouldn't think that it should be too risky.

Grant

On 1/24/13, Dan B Dyer Jr,/Danny  wrote:
> All, Will be traveling over a twelve day period, in several states, with
> Fourth Gen IPod Touch as only internet device.
> Other than operating with screen curtain on, listening to VO via headphones,
> and holding screen of unit close to my body to somewhat shield typing, are
> there other tips for keeping important stuff hidden?  Reply of list if you'd
> rather, and thanks so much,
> Danny Dyer, Toccoa, GA, USA.
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re: IPod Touch Password Safety In Eating Place With Wi Fi?

[Joshua Klander]

Hello.  Here are a few things I can think of:
1.  Make sure your phone has a passcode.  You may also want to 
enable the feature that will wipe your phone if someone 
incorrectly guesses your passcode more than 10 times.

2.  Enable the "find my iPhone" feature.
hth
Josh



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From: " Dan B Dyer Jr,/Danny" All, Will be traveling over a twelve day period, in several 
states, with Fourth Gen IPod Touch as only internet device.
Other than operating with screen curtain on, listening to VO via 
headphones, and holding screen of unit close to my body to 
somewhat shield typing, are there other tips for keeping 
important stuff hidden?  Reply of list if you'd rather, and 
thanks so much,

Danny Dyer, Toccoa, GA, USA.

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IPod Touch Password Safety In Eating Place With Wi Fi?

[Dan B Dyer Jr,/Danny]

All, Will be traveling over a twelve day period, in several states, with Fourth 
Gen IPod Touch as only internet device.
Other than operating with screen curtain on, listening to VO via headphones, 
and holding screen of unit close to my body to somewhat shield typing, are 
there other tips for keeping important stuff hidden?  Reply of list if you'd 
rather, and thanks so much,
Danny Dyer, Toccoa, GA, USA.

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RE: Help for sighted girlfriend

[Alex Stone]

Thanks very much!
Alex

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Sent: 24 January 2013 20:40
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help for sighted girlfriend

Basically, yes. Instead of performing a double-tap and hold, she'll
simply touch and hold an app to get it to jiggle. Then she can drag it
to another location on the home screen, drag it to either edge of the
home screen to move from page to page, drag it on top of another app
to create a folder, or drag it on top of an existing folder to move it
there.

Grant

On 1/24/13, Alex Stone  wrote:
> I've just given my old Iphone4 to my sighted girlfriend,
> and
> I need some help with moving apps about and putting things in folders. I
> know how to do this with vo, but is it pretty much the same for sighted
> folk?
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: kingston wi-drive

[James Mannion]

I don't have one either, but my understanding is there an app that you
load to interface with the drive. That is really the only way you
could do anything with any external storage on the IPhone. The Iphone
does not in the operating system itself give you any way to access a
different storage source. You can access and play music and
videosstored on the drive. That is what I read for sure. Maybe what
the other reply was referring to about going into wifi settings to
access is to connect to the drive so that there will be a wifi
connection to the drive that the app can then get to the drive using
that connection. I have to admit that this is where things get a
little bit limiting the way Apple does things, but it does not mean
you can't do what you would generally do if you accessed the drive a
different way on a different platform for the most part, but it means
the app has to provide for anything you would want to do with it. If
the app doesn't provide for any interface to store and access
documents on the drive, well then it can't be used for that. I wonder
if there is some API that other app developers could use to access
such a drive or if that is locked down and not allowed to be
generalized. It probably is locked down.

On 1/24/13, Thom  wrote:
> Hey Allen,
>
> Although I don't have one of these, I did read up on it. When the unit is
> turned on, you go to the y fi part of your settings. It should show up
> there.
>
>
>
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Allen Maynard
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: kingston wi-drive
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've been considering the Kingston wireless drive sold at Amazon.com.  I
> know that it is connected to an iPhone via wifi but I can't find
> information
> on how this is actually done.  Does anyone have this drive and if so what
> did you have to do to wirelessly connect your iPhone to the Kingston
> wireless drive?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Allen
>
>
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Re: iPhone5 getting when using maps

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, the iphone will get a bit hot when using services like the gps or 
Bluetooth or Wi-Fi for long periods of time. This is especially more 
noticeable if the phone is inside an enclosed case or pocket. The GPS is 
the worst of the 3 though from my experience. Oh, and it will eat 
through your battery like there is no tomorrow.


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On 1/24/2013 8:18 PM, Agent086b wrote:

Hello all, had my iPhone5 for a couple of days. We just went out in the car so 
I thought I would give Maps a go. I must say the map program worked well around 
my town. The Only thing I noticed was the phone got very hot. Is this normal 
when using maps?
Thanks for any pointers.
Max.



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Deleting photos from iPad

[Jan Stirbens]

Hello,

Is there a way to delete photos from an iPad without syncing it to iTunes?

Jan

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Bluetooth Keyboard Navigation Problems Continued

[Joe]

Hi, earlier this week I wrote the list about problems navigating with my 
Bluetooth keyboard on the iPad. I was getting choppy reading while reading 
documents by lines, etc. Anyway, I've tried it with my Apple keyboard, and I am 
not experiencing the same issues. Can anyone think of a reason of why I would 
have issues reading using the ZaggFolio keyboard but not the Apple keyboard? I 
really like the Zagg keyboard case, but it will kind of suck if I can't use the 
case. Editing is why i got the thing in the first place. Anyway, if anyone else 
has seen inconsistencies between Bluetooth keyboards, I would appreciate your 
suggestions on what I can do to fix the issue. Thanks in advance.--Joe

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re: iPhone5 getting when using maps

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
Yes, that is normal, even for earlier models.
Cheers,
Joseph

- Original Message -
From: Agent086b Hello all, had my iPhone5 for a couple of days.  We just went out 
in the car so I thought I would give Maps a go.  I must say the 
map program worked well around my town.  The Only thing I noticed 
was the phone got very hot.  Is this normal when using maps?

Thanks for any pointers.
Max.

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iPhone5 getting when using maps

[Agent086b]

Hello all, had my iPhone5 for a couple of days. We just went out in the car so 
I thought I would give Maps a go. I must say the map program worked well around 
my town. The Only thing I noticed was the phone got very hot. Is this normal 
when using maps?
Thanks for any pointers.
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Questions about the OOTunes app

[Marcos Rodrigues]

Hi friends:

I would like to reorganize the radio stations I have on my favorites in a 
different order.

Is it possible to do this?

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RE: kingston wi-drive

[Thom]

Hey Allen,
 
Although I don't have one of these, I did read up on it. When the unit is
turned on, you go to the y fi part of your settings. It should show up
there.
 
 

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Of Allen Maynard
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Subject: kingston wi-drive


Hi all,
 
I've been considering the Kingston wireless drive sold at Amazon.com.  I
know that it is connected to an iPhone via wifi but I can't find information
on how this is actually done.  Does anyone have this drive and if so what
did you have to do to wirelessly connect your iPhone to the Kingston
wireless drive?
 
Many thanks
 
Allen



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Re: Overdrive Library Books, Navigating In IOS?

[Teresa Cochran]

Sorry, had to correct that typo. But I have some further observations, as well. 
When I read with the Braille display, the app's panning feature goes on and on, 
like a website. I'm wondering if there might be a way to turn it off. I like 
it, but if it compromises the bookmarking, I'm not sure I should use it.

Teresa


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On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, folk,
> 
> I have been successful in getting books to display on the IPod. 
> Unfortunately, when I leave the Overdrive App, the bookmark doesn't seem to 
> take. I think there are panning and zooming features in the app that confuse 
> VO. Anyone have success navigating in this app with VO, or reading library 
> books in a different app?
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> 
> "We're made of star-stuff."--Carl Sagan
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kingston wi-drive

[Allen Maynard]

Hi all,

I’ve been considering the Kingston wireless drive sold at Amazon.com.  I know 
that it is connected to an iPhone via wifi but I can’t find information on how 
this is actually done.  Does anyone have this drive and if so what did you have 
to do to wirelessly connect your iPhone to the Kingston wireless drive?

Many thanks

Allen

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Re: How to see the trash folder on my iPhone

[Marcy Weinberg]

 The trash on the eye devices has to be emptied manually. Tap the edit button, 
in the trash folder, then tap delete all


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On Jan 23, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> I'm not sure if you were replying to me or not, but I was referring to
> the setting Alan talked about where it sounds like you can set how
> frequently to empty the trash, and I don't see that option on my iPhone
> anywhere.
> 
> On 23/01/13 17:45, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
>> When you're in the mail app, double tap the mailboxes back button in the
>> upper left corner. Flick down to the accounts heading then go past it
>> to the account you want. Double tap the account, and you will find the
>> trash folder in there.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Christopher Chaltain > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I don’t' see this setting in Settings -> Mail, Contacts, Calendars or in
>>> my Gmail account settings.
>>> 
>>> On 23/01/13 15:38, Alan Paganelli wrote:
 Also in settings mail, you can choose the frequency that the trash
 folder gets dumped.
 - Original Message - From: "Woody Anna Dresner"
 mailto:wadres...@att.net>>
 To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: How to see the trash folder on my iPhone
 
 
> Hi kim,
> 
> Back out to the main email screen. On this screen, there are two
> headings: Inboxes and Accounts. Find your account name below the
> Accounts heading, and double-tap. All the folders in that account,
> including Trash, are listed on your screen.
> 
> HTH,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Kimber Gardner
> mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I accidentally trashed sever messageson my phone. Now I can't figure
>> out how to see the trash folder so I can move them back to another
>> folder. Can somebody help, Please?
>> 
>> Kim
>> 
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re: Competitor To Tap Tap See?

[Joshua Klander]

Hello.  The app is called omoby.  As for which one is better, I'm 
not exactly sure, as I have not compared them.

Josh



- Original Message -
From: "Arnold Schmidt" I was telling a coworker about tap tap see, and he said he has an 
app on his phone that sounds similar.  I thought he called it 
moby, or emoby, but I don't think that is right.  I searched the 
archives and couldn't find a similar app related to these words.  
So, what is it called, and how does it compare to tap tap see?


Thanks for any information.

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Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[David Chittenden]

Well, ADA and the Rehab Act require government and industry that contracts with 
government to provide accessible solutions whenever possible. This is, in point 
of fact, why Apple brought screen reader development in-house. The tiny 
percentage of the blind who used Apple products did not provide enough market 
for Berkeley Systems, so the company went out of business. Apple instituted the 
VO project to keep their government and education contracts. Fortunately, the 
company decided to make accessibility part of their core business rather than 
leaving it as a necessary add-on.

Microsoft, on the other hand, maintained 90% to 95% marketshare for the past 15 
to 20 years. This means, many more blind people require access in order to work 
in government and industry. Unless Microsoft developed a screen reader that 
gave access to all the major programs all of these various entities require 
their blind employees to utilise, the independent screen reader developer 
continues in their well-developed niche. And, they can continue charging their 
outrageous prices for this specialised access because their products must be 
developed.

However, if Microsoft was actually able to develop a screen reader that 
supported all of these required programs, and said screen reader was 
incorporated in to every Windows computer, we would actually have equal 
accessbe something which we claim to want except when we become short-sighted. 
Think about it. Any blind person could walk in to any computer seller and 
purchase the computer they desire for the same cost as anyone else. You would 
not have to worry about component or computer compatibility (I use to keep 
lists of compatible components, such as graphics cards, so I did not get stuck 
with a Windows machine that the screen reader would not work on). You would not 
need to concern yourself with installing the screen reader properly. You could 
concern yourself with which computer is better, Windows, Linux, Mac, and so on, 
and buy what you desire.

Pressuring OS manufacturers to not build in screen readers for the purpose of 
protecting screen reader developers serves to perpetuate the model of exclusion 
rather than that of inclusion. Apple's accessible iOS, compared with Windows 
Mobile, and even Symbian, is real-world proof of this. Even Android confirms 
it. strong accessibility in Android is only becoming truly possible now because 
the screen reader, Talk Back, is finally in-house, where it belongs.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 25/01/2013, at 12:16, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> Sorry, I didn't mean to put any words in your mouth. I was just
> expressing my opinion. I feel that a world without 3rd party screen
> readers puts blind people in a bind. I also am not convinced that a 3rd
> party screen reader will survive, even if it is a superior product.
> There are tons of cases where the superior product didn't survive in the
> market place due to reasons that had nothing to do with price or the
> quality of the technology, and even more pressures come into play with
> such a small market. Maybe the wrong decision was made several years ago
> when MS chose not to get into the screen reader business, but I feel
> that my concerns were valid. I guess I don't want to trust my livelihood
> to the whims of the marketplace. I'll go back to letting you call me
> short sighted now.
> 
> On 24/01/13 15:36, David Chittenden wrote:
>> And that is an example of placing words and concepts in my mouth which I 
>> never stated. Of course, it is the only way to give the short-sighted 
>> blindness position any Merritt.
>> 
>> To be perfectly clear, I never said there should only be an OS based screen 
>> reader. This was the straw man distraction put up by the screen reader 
>> manufacturers and carried by the blindness organisation which supported 
>> them. In reality, unless the OS manufacturer put forth a screen reader which 
>> is better than the screen reader developers, the screen reader developers 
>> have little to worry about since businesses will continue choosing the 
>> screen reader. If, on the other hand, the screen reader developer cannot 
>> compete because their prices are too high and their product is not good 
>> enough, the market will take care of itself. NVDA proves this nicely. Though 
>> a perfectly useable screen reader for basic consumer use, FS and GW Micro 
>> have little to worry about from this product.
>> 
>> I would rather see MS develop a good screen reader. This would force screen 
>> reader developers to vastly improve their products to compete. This is the 
>> best way to benefit the blind consumer. After all, in that situation, they 
>> may develop something truly innovative, like tracking where you touch on a 
>> tablet or touch pad, or tracking where you move a mouse, and so forth. Oh 
>> wait, I almost forgot, that is not innovative any more. Apple, a general 

Re: [No Subject]

[BBS]

It's odd that more and more people's accounts on this list are getting 
hacked into. Thankfully it hasn't happened to me yet, probably because 
I use my email account for my Skype and Facebook and I'm always signed 
into them. To those that I may have offended in my previous post, I'm 
sorry. What I meant to say is that it's funny that these hackers have 
nothing else to do besides hacking into people's accounts and 
generating these spam messages. I wonder if the reason why it's not 
happening to me is because I'm on a Mac.


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Competitor To Tap Tap See?

[Arnold Schmidt]

I was telling a coworker about tap tap see, and he said he has an app on his 
phone that sounds similar.  I thought he called it moby, or emoby, but I don't 
think that is right.  I searched the archives and couldn't find a similar app 
related to these words.  So, what is it called, and how does it compare to tap 
tap see?

Thanks for any information.

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: A Voxy Question

[Arnold Schmidt]

I definitely am open to a better suggestion, but when I have gotten into a 
situation like you describe with my iPhone 5, and can't figure out any other 
way to get back, I go into the app switcher, and remove the problem app from 
the app switcher.  So far, when I have opened it again, it goes back to 
where it was before I clicked the button, or whatever I did, to get into the 
jam. Before going into the app switcher,  I carefully look for a done 
button, which if it is there, usually seems to be in one of the corners of 
the screen.


One other situation I have run into, the solution of which might help you: 
Our local newspaper app seemed to have absolutely no way to get back to the 
list of stories, once I had clicked on one to read it.  I discovered that if 
I double-, or split tapped the  top line of the story text on the screen, 
then the back button appeared, where it was supposed to be, in the upper 
left hand corner of the screen.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Karen Poulakos" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: A Voxy Question


Thanks.  The scrub gesture doesn't seem to work.  Decided to try just 
turning my iPad off and back on.  That seemed to take care of it.


Karen P
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: A Voxy Question



Try the scrub gesture. Sweep two fingers back and forth like you're
scrubbing the clean screen. This works for me in some apps.

On 24/01/13 09:39, Karen Poulakos wrote:

I was looking around in the Voxy settings yesterday.  I tapped the
"More" button, to see what was there, and can't seem to find a "Back"
button to get back to the settings.  Any suggestions are appreciated.

Karen Poulakos


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RE: Help for sighted girlfriend

[dan]

It is the same and easier.  She only need touch and drage and lift up her
finger and the app is put in the given folder.  Or if you put two apps on
top of each other, a folder is created.

 

 

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in whom I trust. 

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Of Alex Stone
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Help for sighted girlfriend

 

I've just given my old Iphone4 to my sighted girlfriend, and
I need some help with moving apps about and putting things in folders. I
know how to do this with vo, but is it pretty much the same for sighted
folk?

Cheers

Alex

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Re: Not As It Seems To Be

[David Chittenden]

Yes, and you ignore the fact that, unless such a screen reader was at least as 
effective as those currently on the market, the existing screen readers would 
remain viable and available because government and industry would continue 
using them. Both the ADA and the Rehab Act require it.

Let me be clear about why I state your position is short-sighted. Competition 
leads to improvement. Encouraging the OS developer to not develop a screen 
reader means protecting the screen reader developers - IE ensuring that they do 
not have meaningful competition which forces them to innovate. Put another way, 
you are encouraging that which you say you are trying to keep from occurring, 
protectionism of a market.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 25/01/2013, at 11:57, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:

> If a similar issue were to come up again I would again resolutely be "short 
> sighted" and vote "NO!"  It doesn't bother me to be labeled "short sighted" 
> because at that time Microsoft had shown no serious intention to be concerned 
> about accessibility until the State of Massachusetts had implemented a policy 
> to not use Microsoft products until MS straightened out it's act.  And let's 
> not forget that Microsoft is a highly "proprietary" outfit.
> 
> Holland's Man, Bill
> - "A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running."
> - Julius Henry (Groucho) Marx, 1890 - 1977 
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Overdrive Librar Books, Navigating In IOS?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, folk,

I have been successful in getting books to display on the IPod. Unfortunately, 
when I leave the Overdrive App, the bookmark doesn't seem to take. I think 
there are panning and zooming features in the app that confuse VO. Anyone have 
success navigating in this app with VO, or reading library books in a different 
app?

Thanks,
Teresa


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Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Sorry, I didn't mean to put any words in your mouth. I was just
expressing my opinion. I feel that a world without 3rd party screen
readers puts blind people in a bind. I also am not convinced that a 3rd
party screen reader will survive, even if it is a superior product.
There are tons of cases where the superior product didn't survive in the
market place due to reasons that had nothing to do with price or the
quality of the technology, and even more pressures come into play with
such a small market. Maybe the wrong decision was made several years ago
when MS chose not to get into the screen reader business, but I feel
that my concerns were valid. I guess I don't want to trust my livelihood
to the whims of the marketplace. I'll go back to letting you call me
short sighted now.

On 24/01/13 15:36, David Chittenden wrote:
> And that is an example of placing words and concepts in my mouth which I 
> never stated. Of course, it is the only way to give the short-sighted 
> blindness position any Merritt.
> 
> To be perfectly clear, I never said there should only be an OS based screen 
> reader. This was the straw man distraction put up by the screen reader 
> manufacturers and carried by the blindness organisation which supported them. 
> In reality, unless the OS manufacturer put forth a screen reader which is 
> better than the screen reader developers, the screen reader developers have 
> little to worry about since businesses will continue choosing the screen 
> reader. If, on the other hand, the screen reader developer cannot compete 
> because their prices are too high and their product is not good enough, the 
> market will take care of itself. NVDA proves this nicely. Though a perfectly 
> useable screen reader for basic consumer use, FS and GW Micro have little to 
> worry about from this product.
> 
> I would rather see MS develop a good screen reader. This would force screen 
> reader developers to vastly improve their products to compete. This is the 
> best way to benefit the blind consumer. After all, in that situation, they 
> may develop something truly innovative, like tracking where you touch on a 
> tablet or touch pad, or tracking where you move a mouse, and so forth. Oh 
> wait, I almost forgot, that is not innovative any more. Apple, a general 
> market computer company, has already figured out how to do such a thing. The 
> fact is, before Apple did so, all of the experts in the fields of blindness 
> and haptics demonstrated using fully legitimate studies, that blind people 
> need tactile stimulation in order to interact effectively with touch-screens. 
> I have as much of the research as I have been able to locate. This relates 
> directly to my doctoral research, so if you know of any studies which show 
> differently, please send the information my way.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 25/01/2013, at 7:49, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
>> Well, we can choose to disagree, but I feel it's also short sighted to
>> think that OS provided screen readers will solve all of our problems.
>> They definitely have an advantage and a place, but if we go down that
>> path to the exclusion of 3rd party screen readers than I fear we're
>> losing the opportunity to work in companies with heterogeneous IT, which
>> is where I was able to work for almost two decades.
>>
>> On 24/01/13 11:17, David Chittenden wrote:
>>> Like I said, short-sighted. Microsoft is finally putting a full-fledged 
>>> screen reader in Windows 8. And all those dire predictions of yesteryear 
>>> are already proving to be so much hot air. The fact is the screen reader 
>>> companies are finding the weaknesses in Windows Narrator and demonstrating 
>>> that they are still needed. If Microsoft improves Windows Narrator 
>>> (something which I am quite skeptical of given Microsoft's record to date), 
>>> the screen reader manufacturers will focus on increasing accessibility to 
>>> even more third-party programs; just as what most likely would have 
>>> happened all those years ago had the blindness community not been so 
>>> short-sighted. This is, after all, how markets work. Microsoft's commitment 
>>> to accessibility is well-proven with their complete blockage of 
>>> accessibility in Windows Phone 8. Fortunately, Apple has, at least for now, 
>>> taken on accessibility fully as part of their core business.
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 25/01/2013, at 4:53, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>>
 I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
 concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
 sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had come
 out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior screen
 reader to anything that MS would have 

Re: Not As It Seems To Be

[Bill Gallik]

If a similar issue were to come up again I would again resolutely be "short 
sighted" and vote "NO!"  It doesn't bother me to be labeled "short sighted" 
because at that time Microsoft had shown no serious intention to be 
concerned about accessibility until the State of Massachusetts had 
implemented a policy to not use Microsoft products until MS straightened out 
it's act.  And let's not forget that Microsoft is a highly "proprietary" 
outfit.


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- "A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running."
- Julius Henry (Groucho) Marx, 1890 - 1977 


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Re: Not As It Seems To Be -

[Bill Gallik]

Christopher,

The concerns you expressed in your post is precisely why I replied to that 
question when put to me with a resounding "NO."



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-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had come
out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior screen
reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For example, I doubt
very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus Notes accessible
with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my job years ago. I
think there's a real concern with having the screen reader being
developed by the same company that develops the OS and the applications.
Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment, but
I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO. It's
obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but I can
see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like Chrome,
MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app developer to
make their application accessible, but I need accessible apps and not
finger pointing between the OS developer and the app developer.


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Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[Grant Hardy]

Excellent points David, while I have a feeling that one screen reader or 
another might emerge as the "clear choice", it doesn't have to be as 
black-and-white as "OS-BASED or third-party screen reader, but not both." 
Microsoft is sort of making strides with Narrator to the point where my 
understanding is that it can be interacted with on a touch screen; however, it 
really isn't to the point where I would recommend it to people for full-time 
use. Conversely, commercial screen readers don't work at all with touch 
interfaces, and have (as far as I am concerned) minimal support for the new 
Metro environment. If Microsoft pushed Narrator ahead it might lead other 
screen reader developers to further innovate. It couldn't do any harm at any 
rate.

So the upshot is that I don't believe that a tablet running Windows RT would be 
a serious choice for a screen reader user at this point. But the built-in 
screen reader present in every iOS device ever manufactured since 2009, means 
that a screen reader user can fully interact with Apple's line of iPad tablets 
with great efficiency. That's got to say something about the merits of built-in 
screen readers. ;) 

Grant

On 2013-01-24, at 1:36 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> And that is an example of placing words and concepts in my mouth which I 
> never stated. Of course, it is the only way to give the short-sighted 
> blindness position any Merritt.
> 
> To be perfectly clear, I never said there should only be an OS based screen 
> reader. This was the straw man distraction put up by the screen reader 
> manufacturers and carried by the blindness organisation which supported them. 
> In reality, unless the OS manufacturer put forth a screen reader which is 
> better than the screen reader developers, the screen reader developers have 
> little to worry about since businesses will continue choosing the screen 
> reader. If, on the other hand, the screen reader developer cannot compete 
> because their prices are too high and their product is not good enough, the 
> market will take care of itself. NVDA proves this nicely. Though a perfectly 
> useable screen reader for basic consumer use, FS and GW Micro have little to 
> worry about from this product.
> 
> I would rather see MS develop a good screen reader. This would force screen 
> reader developers to vastly improve their products to compete. This is the 
> best way to benefit the blind consumer. After all, in that situation, they 
> may develop something truly innovative, like tracking where you touch on a 
> tablet or touch pad, or tracking where you move a mouse, and so forth. Oh 
> wait, I almost forgot, that is not innovative any more. Apple, a general 
> market computer company, has already figured out how to do such a thing. The 
> fact is, before Apple did so, all of the experts in the fields of blindness 
> and haptics demonstrated using fully legitimate studies, that blind people 
> need tactile stimulation in order to interact effectively with touch-screens. 
> I have as much of the research as I have been able to locate. This relates 
> directly to my doctoral research, so if you know of any studies which show 
> differently, please send the information my way.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 25/01/2013, at 7:49, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
>> Well, we can choose to disagree, but I feel it's also short sighted to
>> think that OS provided screen readers will solve all of our problems.
>> They definitely have an advantage and a place, but if we go down that
>> path to the exclusion of 3rd party screen readers than I fear we're
>> losing the opportunity to work in companies with heterogeneous IT, which
>> is where I was able to work for almost two decades.
>> 
>> On 24/01/13 11:17, David Chittenden wrote:
>>> Like I said, short-sighted. Microsoft is finally putting a full-fledged 
>>> screen reader in Windows 8. And all those dire predictions of yesteryear 
>>> are already proving to be so much hot air. The fact is the screen reader 
>>> companies are finding the weaknesses in Windows Narrator and demonstrating 
>>> that they are still needed. If Microsoft improves Windows Narrator 
>>> (something which I am quite skeptical of given Microsoft's record to date), 
>>> the screen reader manufacturers will focus on increasing accessibility to 
>>> even more third-party programs; just as what most likely would have 
>>> happened all those years ago had the blindness community not been so 
>>> short-sighted. This is, after all, how markets work. Microsoft's commitment 
>>> to accessibility is well-proven with their complete blockage of 
>>> accessibility in Windows Phone 8. Fortunately, Apple has, at least for now, 
>>> taken on accessibility fully as part of their core business.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>

Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[David Chittenden]

And that is an example of placing words and concepts in my mouth which I never 
stated. Of course, it is the only way to give the short-sighted blindness 
position any Merritt.

To be perfectly clear, I never said there should only be an OS based screen 
reader. This was the straw man distraction put up by the screen reader 
manufacturers and carried by the blindness organisation which supported them. 
In reality, unless the OS manufacturer put forth a screen reader which is 
better than the screen reader developers, the screen reader developers have 
little to worry about since businesses will continue choosing the screen 
reader. If, on the other hand, the screen reader developer cannot compete 
because their prices are too high and their product is not good enough, the 
market will take care of itself. NVDA proves this nicely. Though a perfectly 
useable screen reader for basic consumer use, FS and GW Micro have little to 
worry about from this product.

I would rather see MS develop a good screen reader. This would force screen 
reader developers to vastly improve their products to compete. This is the best 
way to benefit the blind consumer. After all, in that situation, they may 
develop something truly innovative, like tracking where you touch on a tablet 
or touch pad, or tracking where you move a mouse, and so forth. Oh wait, I 
almost forgot, that is not innovative any more. Apple, a general market 
computer company, has already figured out how to do such a thing. The fact is, 
before Apple did so, all of the experts in the fields of blindness and haptics 
demonstrated using fully legitimate studies, that blind people need tactile 
stimulation in order to interact effectively with touch-screens. I have as much 
of the research as I have been able to locate. This relates directly to my 
doctoral research, so if you know of any studies which show differently, please 
send the information my way.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 25/01/2013, at 7:49, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> Well, we can choose to disagree, but I feel it's also short sighted to
> think that OS provided screen readers will solve all of our problems.
> They definitely have an advantage and a place, but if we go down that
> path to the exclusion of 3rd party screen readers than I fear we're
> losing the opportunity to work in companies with heterogeneous IT, which
> is where I was able to work for almost two decades.
> 
> On 24/01/13 11:17, David Chittenden wrote:
>> Like I said, short-sighted. Microsoft is finally putting a full-fledged 
>> screen reader in Windows 8. And all those dire predictions of yesteryear are 
>> already proving to be so much hot air. The fact is the screen reader 
>> companies are finding the weaknesses in Windows Narrator and demonstrating 
>> that they are still needed. If Microsoft improves Windows Narrator 
>> (something which I am quite skeptical of given Microsoft's record to date), 
>> the screen reader manufacturers will focus on increasing accessibility to 
>> even more third-party programs; just as what most likely would have happened 
>> all those years ago had the blindness community not been so short-sighted. 
>> This is, after all, how markets work. Microsoft's commitment to 
>> accessibility is well-proven with their complete blockage of accessibility 
>> in Windows Phone 8. Fortunately, Apple has, at least for now, taken on 
>> accessibility fully as part of their core business.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 25/01/2013, at 4:53, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
>>> concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
>>> sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had come
>>> out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior screen
>>> reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For example, I doubt
>>> very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus Notes accessible
>>> with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my job years ago. I
>>> think there's a real concern with having the screen reader being
>>> developed by the same company that develops the OS and the applications.
>>> Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment, but
>>> I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO. It's
>>> obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but I can
>>> see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like Chrome,
>>> MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app developer to
>>> make their application accessible, but I need accessible apps and not
>>> finger pointing between the OS developer and the app developer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23/01/13 19:19, David Chittenden wrote:
 Then, I am doubly thankful t

Re: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:

[Les Kriegler]

Thanks Sieghard.  I've made this recommendation to others, but forgot to do 
this myself.  Removing and reinstalling seems to have helped in terms of 
responsiveness.
On Jan 24, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Les,
> 
> Have you tried to remove the app and redownload/reinstall it? I have a 4S
> and I'm in Canada and it works very well and I also used it on a bunch of US
> currency, about a dozen bills from hundreds to twenties to tens and fives
> and I just kept picking them up and holding them over the phone which I put
> camera up on my desk. I would say it recognized each bill in about a second.
> 
> I don't use it very much for Canadian currency because all our bills are
> marked with braille. They use the full 6 dot character, a 5 Dollar bill has
> 1, a 10 dollar bill has 2, a 20 has 3, a 50 has 4 and a 100 has 2, but they
> are only the very left and very right with the 2 middle ones missing so
> there is a large gap in between. Of course they used to wear off on old
> floppy bills, but all of our paper currency is now being switched to new
> bills which are made from a more or less indistructable polymer material
> which you can put through the washer and you really have to work hard to
> tear it and on those I think it doesn't wear very much at all.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:
> 
> I have a 4S and I've noticed inconsistent performance.  As compared to the
> initial release, the app is slower to respond in general to the point that I
> am going to look at the other option discussed here.
> 
> Les
> On Jan 23, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Alan Paganelli 
> wrote:
> 
>> I have the first iBill bank note reader.  It's faster and easier then
> pulling out my iPhone but I also have EyeNote on my iPhone as a backup.
>> - Original Message - From: "Don Breda" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:12 PM
>> Subject: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:
>> 
>> 
>>> I used the money reader app on my iPhone 4 and was amazed at how
>>> well it worked and how fast it read bills.
>>> 
>>> I was also amazed that it took no effort at all almost as if  it
>>> couldn't help but read the bill.
>>> 
>>> Now with my iPhone 5 and its improved camera I find money reader much
>>> more frustrating to use.
>>> 
>>> It seems to have a lot of trouble reading even brand new bills now and
>>> frankly I am now glad I kept my iBill.
>>> 
>>> Have others noticed the same thing?
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[Grant Hardy]

I wish I could say that it was some brilliant technical prowess on my
part that made it work, but the truth is I simply downloaded the free
Facebook Messenger app from the App Store. VoiceOver announced every
message along with its participant as it arrived, and the phone also
vibrated so I knew I wasn't missing anything. I typed back on my
Bluetooth Braille display. Flicking left and right or using the
commands on my Bluetooth Braille display allowed me to review the chat
history if I needed to do so. Just as with the native messaging app
you have to navigate a couple elements away from the text window to
find the send button, but boy, if that's the only thing that could
have been slightly more efficient, that's pretty cool. I was able to
keep up with an extremely time-sensitive collaboration session, no
problem.

Grant

On 1/24/13, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.  wrote:
> Grant,
>
> Can you please fill us in on how you made the group chat work?
>
> This may be useful for others on the list, too, besides me.
>
> Thanks in advance. Keith
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Grant Hardy
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?
>
> ^It's worth pointing out that there are plenty, plenty of apps, both
> on the job and not, that JAWS doesn't work with at all including many
> of the built-in apps included in Windows 8, as well as most
> third-party "metro" apps. While you may have lucked out in your
> particular case with Lotus Notes on the job, there are plenty of other
> JAWS users that have encountered inaccessible or inefficient apps. An
> app being accessible to JAWS isn't the exception, but it isn't the
> rule either. No finger-pointing here, but simply my opinion.
>
> Recently, in the course of my university studies I encountered a
> situation where I needed to arrange an online chat with a group of
> people to collaborate. After investigating various ways to do that
> with JAWS on my PC, I presently changed course and turned to the
> device I'm learning to depend on more and more: my iPhone. That
> device, where I paid zero dollars for the screen reader, offered a
> totally accessible group chat environment that lent itself perfectly
> to my purposes. I'm not saying that I could not have done this on my
> PC, but this was a fast-paced and time-sensitive environment where
> backing out due to the chat not working, wasn't really an option.
> Frankly, I trusted my iPhone quite a bit more than my PC in this
> situation. (For the record, we were using Facebook Chat to conduct the
> meeting, a surprisingly tricky task to accomplish on a PC it seems).
>
> The reality is, everything on the iPhone talks out of the box, and
> VoiceOver accessible apps seem to be the rule rather than the
> exception. Rather than analyzing the politics of the screen reader in
> question, I just want to know whether it's going to meet my needs and
> how much I can do with it. iOS seems to be leading the way at present,
> and I haven't seen anything to suggest that building the screen reader
> into the OS is a bad thing, quite the contrary actually, it seems to
> make things that much more robust.
>
>
>
> On 1/24/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
>> concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
>> sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had come
>> out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior screen
>> reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For example, I doubt
>> very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus Notes accessible
>> with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my job years ago. I
>> think there's a real concern with having the screen reader being
>> developed by the same company that develops the OS and the applications.
>> Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment, but
>> I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO. It's
>> obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but I can
>> see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like Chrome,
>> MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app developer to
>> make their application accessible, but I need accessible apps and not
>> finger pointing between the OS developer and the app developer.
>>
>>
>> On 23/01/13 19:19, David Chittenden wrote:
>>> Then, I am doubly thankful that Apple exhibited the foresight to not
>>> check
>>> with the apparently short-sighted blindness community.
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 24/01/2013, at 6:03, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
>>>
 Please pardon me for this somewhat off topic message, but I do feel
 obligated to clear the air

Re: Deleting songs from your iTunes Library while viewing a playlist

[Grant Hardy]

Yes exactly. I can easily delete things from playlists, but to delete
them from my library itself it seems that you have to view the item in
Music, Books, etc.

On 1/24/13, Sherrie  wrote:
> At least in my experience deleting a song from a playlist does not delete it
>
> from your iTunes Library.  This is especially aggravating when I want to
> delete tracks.  from a particular area that I have in a playlist.  I have to
>
> then go to the music folder or the books folder to search for the specific
> files and then delete them.
> I am not using the iTunes 11 yet.  I am hanging on to my version
> 10.whatever.
> Sherrie Gosling
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Deleting songs from your iTunes Library while viewing a
> playlist
>
> you can edit the playlist and delete the songs you no longer want in the
> list and then save the edited playlist.  The songs you deleted from the
> list
> will no longer be played.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Grant Hardy" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:57 PM
> Subject: Deleting songs from your iTunes Library while viewing a playlist
>
>
>> I'm trying to tame my iTunes Library so that I'll have an easier time
>> managing it on my iPhone. Is there a way to delete songs from your
>> library directly from a playlist, or do you have to open them in
>> "Music" before you can do that? If the former, I could easily make a
>> smart playlist containing tracks that I wish to delete. Thanks.
>>
>> Grant
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Re: Deleting songs from your iTunes Library while viewing a playlist

[Sherrie]

At least in my experience deleting a song from a playlist does not delete it 
from your iTunes Library.  This is especially aggravating when I want to 
delete tracks.  from a particular area that I have in a playlist.  I have to 
then go to the music folder or the books folder to search for the specific 
files and then delete them.
I am not using the iTunes 11 yet.  I am hanging on to my version 
10.whatever.

Sherrie Gosling

-Original Message- 
From: Alan Paganelli

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting songs from your iTunes Library while viewing a 
playlist


you can edit the playlist and delete the songs you no longer want in the
list and then save the edited playlist.  The songs you deleted from the list
will no longer be played.
- Original Message - 
From: "Grant Hardy" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: Deleting songs from your iTunes Library while viewing a playlist



I'm trying to tame my iTunes Library so that I'll have an easier time
managing it on my iPhone. Is there a way to delete songs from your
library directly from a playlist, or do you have to open them in
"Music" before you can do that? If the former, I could easily make a
smart playlist containing tracks that I wish to delete. Thanks.

Grant

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RE: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Grant,

Can you please fill us in on how you made the group chat work?

This may be useful for others on the list, too, besides me.

Thanks in advance. Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

^It's worth pointing out that there are plenty, plenty of apps, both
on the job and not, that JAWS doesn't work with at all including many
of the built-in apps included in Windows 8, as well as most
third-party "metro" apps. While you may have lucked out in your
particular case with Lotus Notes on the job, there are plenty of other
JAWS users that have encountered inaccessible or inefficient apps. An
app being accessible to JAWS isn't the exception, but it isn't the
rule either. No finger-pointing here, but simply my opinion.

Recently, in the course of my university studies I encountered a
situation where I needed to arrange an online chat with a group of
people to collaborate. After investigating various ways to do that
with JAWS on my PC, I presently changed course and turned to the
device I'm learning to depend on more and more: my iPhone. That
device, where I paid zero dollars for the screen reader, offered a
totally accessible group chat environment that lent itself perfectly
to my purposes. I'm not saying that I could not have done this on my
PC, but this was a fast-paced and time-sensitive environment where
backing out due to the chat not working, wasn't really an option.
Frankly, I trusted my iPhone quite a bit more than my PC in this
situation. (For the record, we were using Facebook Chat to conduct the
meeting, a surprisingly tricky task to accomplish on a PC it seems).

The reality is, everything on the iPhone talks out of the box, and
VoiceOver accessible apps seem to be the rule rather than the
exception. Rather than analyzing the politics of the screen reader in
question, I just want to know whether it's going to meet my needs and
how much I can do with it. iOS seems to be leading the way at present,
and I haven't seen anything to suggest that building the screen reader
into the OS is a bad thing, quite the contrary actually, it seems to
make things that much more robust.



On 1/24/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
> concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
> sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had come
> out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior screen
> reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For example, I doubt
> very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus Notes accessible
> with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my job years ago. I
> think there's a real concern with having the screen reader being
> developed by the same company that develops the OS and the applications.
> Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment, but
> I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO. It's
> obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but I can
> see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like Chrome,
> MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app developer to
> make their application accessible, but I need accessible apps and not
> finger pointing between the OS developer and the app developer.
>
>
> On 23/01/13 19:19, David Chittenden wrote:
>> Then, I am doubly thankful that Apple exhibited the foresight to not check
>> with the apparently short-sighted blindness community.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 24/01/2013, at 6:03, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
>>
>>> Please pardon me for this somewhat off topic message, but I do feel
>>> obligated to clear the air just a wee bit on a subtle matter that has
>>> come up in the original thread.
>>>
>>> Now first, let me say that I also am extremely pleased with my iPhone 5
>>> and the embedded accessibility.  And likewise; major, major KUDOS to
>>> Apple for having the (dare I say) foresight to design that accessibility
>>> right into their products.  Certainly, Apple is to be commended for the
>>> effort to provide devices that customers can use right out of the box
>>> without incurring additional, prohibitive expense.
>>>
>>> But I have to point out that Microsoft at one point had mulled around the
>>> idea of providing at least an embedded screen reader in the Windows OS;
>>> I'm sure there are more than a few others on this list that will remember
>>> this. The company had approached both NFB and ACB with feelers to get an
>>> idea how that would be received by the blind and visually impaired
>>> community.  The result of that inquiry caused Microsoft to drop the idea.
>>>  I must confess my guilt

Re: Help for sighted girlfriend

[Grant Hardy]

Basically, yes. Instead of performing a double-tap and hold, she'll
simply touch and hold an app to get it to jiggle. Then she can drag it
to another location on the home screen, drag it to either edge of the
home screen to move from page to page, drag it on top of another app
to create a folder, or drag it on top of an existing folder to move it
there.

Grant

On 1/24/13, Alex Stone  wrote:
> I've just given my old Iphone4 to my sighted girlfriend,
> and
> I need some help with moving apps about and putting things in folders. I
> know how to do this with vo, but is it pretty much the same for sighted
> folk?
>
> Cheers
>
> Alex
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Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[Grant Hardy]

^It's worth pointing out that there are plenty, plenty of apps, both
on the job and not, that JAWS doesn't work with at all including many
of the built-in apps included in Windows 8, as well as most
third-party "metro" apps. While you may have lucked out in your
particular case with Lotus Notes on the job, there are plenty of other
JAWS users that have encountered inaccessible or inefficient apps. An
app being accessible to JAWS isn't the exception, but it isn't the
rule either. No finger-pointing here, but simply my opinion.

Recently, in the course of my university studies I encountered a
situation where I needed to arrange an online chat with a group of
people to collaborate. After investigating various ways to do that
with JAWS on my PC, I presently changed course and turned to the
device I'm learning to depend on more and more: my iPhone. That
device, where I paid zero dollars for the screen reader, offered a
totally accessible group chat environment that lent itself perfectly
to my purposes. I'm not saying that I could not have done this on my
PC, but this was a fast-paced and time-sensitive environment where
backing out due to the chat not working, wasn't really an option.
Frankly, I trusted my iPhone quite a bit more than my PC in this
situation. (For the record, we were using Facebook Chat to conduct the
meeting, a surprisingly tricky task to accomplish on a PC it seems).

The reality is, everything on the iPhone talks out of the box, and
VoiceOver accessible apps seem to be the rule rather than the
exception. Rather than analyzing the politics of the screen reader in
question, I just want to know whether it's going to meet my needs and
how much I can do with it. iOS seems to be leading the way at present,
and I haven't seen anything to suggest that building the screen reader
into the OS is a bad thing, quite the contrary actually, it seems to
make things that much more robust.



On 1/24/13, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
> concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
> sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had come
> out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior screen
> reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For example, I doubt
> very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus Notes accessible
> with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my job years ago. I
> think there's a real concern with having the screen reader being
> developed by the same company that develops the OS and the applications.
> Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment, but
> I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO. It's
> obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but I can
> see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like Chrome,
> MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app developer to
> make their application accessible, but I need accessible apps and not
> finger pointing between the OS developer and the app developer.
>
>
> On 23/01/13 19:19, David Chittenden wrote:
>> Then, I am doubly thankful that Apple exhibited the foresight to not check
>> with the apparently short-sighted blindness community.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 24/01/2013, at 6:03, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
>>
>>> Please pardon me for this somewhat off topic message, but I do feel
>>> obligated to clear the air just a wee bit on a subtle matter that has
>>> come up in the original thread.
>>>
>>> Now first, let me say that I also am extremely pleased with my iPhone 5
>>> and the embedded accessibility.  And likewise; major, major KUDOS to
>>> Apple for having the (dare I say) foresight to design that accessibility
>>> right into their products.  Certainly, Apple is to be commended for the
>>> effort to provide devices that customers can use right out of the box
>>> without incurring additional, prohibitive expense.
>>>
>>> But I have to point out that Microsoft at one point had mulled around the
>>> idea of providing at least an embedded screen reader in the Windows OS;
>>> I'm sure there are more than a few others on this list that will remember
>>> this. The company had approached both NFB and ACB with feelers to get an
>>> idea how that would be received by the blind and visually impaired
>>> community.  The result of that inquiry caused Microsoft to drop the idea.
>>>  I must confess my guilt here as I replied with a resounding "NO" to this
>>> idea -- I regret to say now.  Why I (and many others I presume) replied
>>> that way is not germane to this list, but I think we should be careful
>>> not to imply that Microsoft has been insensitive to our circumstances.
>>> Just for the record.
>>> 
>>> Holland's Man, Bill
>>> - "A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running."
>>> 

Re:

[MamaPeach]

I have seen this type post several times. It is more than likely that this 
person's email has been hacked and this is why this is happening. He is not 
doing this on purpose. Just be wise and do not click on any link that you 
know nothing about.


-Original Message- 
From: John Lipsey

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:02 PM
To: major_carter...@hotmail.com ; viphone@googlegroups.com


http://www.4qrockband.com/wp-content/plugins/akismet/yahoolook3214.php

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Help for sighted girlfriend

[Alex Stone]

I've just given my old Iphone4 to my sighted girlfriend, and
I need some help with moving apps about and putting things in folders. I
know how to do this with vo, but is it pretty much the same for sighted
folk?

Cheers

Alex

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ITV player inaccessibility

[Philippa Woodcraft]

hi all. 

as no doubt some of you know, ITV app on iPad or iPhone is completely 
inaccessible to VO users. below is what they said when my fiancee wrote to them 
and asked them to consider fixing the issue. would as many people as possible 
write to them and raise the point? we might be able to do something about it if 
enough of us complain?

thanks. Philippa 

>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: "ITV.com Support" 
>>> Date: 24 January 2013 17:15:39 GMT
>>> To: w.lo...@icloud.com
>>> Subject: RE: Accessibility iPad application <<#31865-90011#>>
>>> 
>>> Dear William
>>>   
>>> Thank you for contacting ITV.
>>>  
>>> There are no plans to add this feature in the near future.
>>>  
>>> I apologise for any inconvenience.
>>>  
>>> Please do not hesitate to contact us should you have any further questions.
>>>  
>>> Kind Regards
>>>  
>>> Adam
>>> ITV Customer Support
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Did we answer your question? Click the link below to let us know.
>>> http://itvsurvey.ehosts.net:80/CIMSurvey/default.aspx?SurveyID=5&InstanceID=36625&KeyName=MessageID&KeyID=101702
>>>  
>>> _
>>>  
>>> ITV Broadcasting Limited (Registration No. 955957) ("ITV") is incorporated 
>>> in England and Wales with its registered office at The London Television 
>>> Centre, Upper Ground, London SE1 9LT. Please visit the official ITV website 
>>> at www.itv.com for the latest company news
>>>  
>>> The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential, may be 
>>> privileged, may be subject to copyright and are intended solely for the use 
>>> of the individual to whom they are addressed. If you have received this 
>>> email and you are not the intended recipient please notify 
>>> postmas...@itv.com and delete this email and you are notified that 
>>> disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the 
>>> contents of this email are strictly prohibited. 
>>>  
>>> Although ITV routinely screens for viruses, recipients should scan this 
>>> email and any attachments for viruses. ITV makes no representation or 
>>> warranty that this email or any of its attachments is free of viruses or 
>>> defects and does not accept any responsibility for any damage caused by any 
>>> virus or defect transmitted by this email. ITV reserves the right to 
>>> monitor all e mails and the systems upon which such e mails are stored or 
>>> circulated.
>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of ITV.
>>>  
>>> Thank You.
>>> _
>>> 
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>> From: william lomas 
>>> Received: 24/01/13 09:30:51 o'clock GMT
>>> To: "itv.comsupp...@itv.com" 
>>> Subject: Accessibility iPad application
>>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> As a voice-over user of your application on the iPad, I'm not able to 
>>> select the play option for any given program. Can this please be 
>>> investigated and resolved for the next version? To enable voice-over please 
>>> go to settings, general, accessibility regards, William 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>> 
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Re: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[Wayne Merritt]

I've loved my iPhone 5 ever since I got it in October. I was one of
the 2,000,000 that preordered the phone when orders were being taken,
and though it took awhile for it to arrive, I have been loving it ever
since. It is definitely worth the purchase. Besides, everyone that
buys from Apple has a free 1year warrentee, so if you do encounter
trouble, take it back to Apple for a possible replacement. There will
always be those that find fault or issues with new products, but they
are mostly in the minority.

Wayne

On 1/23/13, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.  wrote:
> I agree with the favorable views regarding iDevices. I am less sanguine,
> however, about itunes and the apparent lack of good documentation for blind
> users of iTunes as provided by Apple. And, because, iTunes functionality is
> critical for good iDevice utility, I am surprised by their deficiency in
> this regard, and apparent lack of interest in making such a resource
> available.
>
> Unless, of course, there is some amazing iTunes Users Manual that is fully
> accessible that I do not yet know about. Glad to be directed to any resource
> that may be helpful. The free iPhone Users Guide, available through iBooks,
> would be a good paradigm for them to follow with respect to iTunes.
>
> I am so appreciative of all the helpful suggestions regarding iTunes that I
> have learned through this list, but I am still a novice user of iTunes and
> don't feel I have a real good understanding of it.
>
> Keith
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?
>
> Many people are against Apple in principle now that it has become such a
> large and successful company. I, on the other hand, have become an Apple fan
> boy because Apple has done more for accessibility than any other computer
> company in history. Thanks to Apple, I can use any iPhone and any Mac,
> straight out of the box. Even their Apple TV is fully accessible.
>
> VO is the same in any iOS device. IPhone 5 has a faster processor, twice as
> much operating RAM, and a larger display which permits more apps per page,
> and more apps per folder. Also, GPS antenna is significantly better, in my
> experience. Contrary to some reports, iPhone 5 is significantly better than
> iPhone 4S.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 22/01/2013, at 15:18, Nimit Kaur  Gmail  wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I am almost about to get an iphone 5 and i heard a lot of people in my
>> life that iphone 5 is not really so good, and i was wondering what you
>> voiceover dependent people think of iphone 5?  I mean in terms of
>> accessibility?  Has it improved or gotten worse?  Thanks and any comment
>> would be appreciated.
>> Nimit
>>
>> Sent from my ipod
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Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, we can choose to disagree, but I feel it's also short sighted to
think that OS provided screen readers will solve all of our problems.
They definitely have an advantage and a place, but if we go down that
path to the exclusion of 3rd party screen readers than I fear we're
losing the opportunity to work in companies with heterogeneous IT, which
is where I was able to work for almost two decades. 

On 24/01/13 11:17, David Chittenden wrote:
> Like I said, short-sighted. Microsoft is finally putting a full-fledged 
> screen reader in Windows 8. And all those dire predictions of yesteryear are 
> already proving to be so much hot air. The fact is the screen reader 
> companies are finding the weaknesses in Windows Narrator and demonstrating 
> that they are still needed. If Microsoft improves Windows Narrator (something 
> which I am quite skeptical of given Microsoft's record to date), the screen 
> reader manufacturers will focus on increasing accessibility to even more 
> third-party programs; just as what most likely would have happened all those 
> years ago had the blindness community not been so short-sighted. This is, 
> after all, how markets work. Microsoft's commitment to accessibility is 
> well-proven with their complete blockage of accessibility in Windows Phone 8. 
> Fortunately, Apple has, at least for now, taken on accessibility fully as 
> part of their core business.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 25/01/2013, at 4:53, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
>> I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
>> concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
>> sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had come
>> out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior screen
>> reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For example, I doubt
>> very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus Notes accessible
>> with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my job years ago. I
>> think there's a real concern with having the screen reader being
>> developed by the same company that develops the OS and the applications.
>> Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment, but
>> I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO. It's
>> obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but I can
>> see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like Chrome,
>> MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app developer to
>> make their application accessible, but I need accessible apps and not
>> finger pointing between the OS developer and the app developer.
>>
>>
>> On 23/01/13 19:19, David Chittenden wrote:
>>> Then, I am doubly thankful that Apple exhibited the foresight to not check 
>>> with the apparently short-sighted blindness community. 
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 24/01/2013, at 6:03, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
>>>
 Please pardon me for this somewhat off topic message, but I do feel 
 obligated to clear the air just a wee bit on a subtle matter that has come 
 up in the original thread.

 Now first, let me say that I also am extremely pleased with my iPhone 5 
 and the embedded accessibility.  And likewise; major, major KUDOS to Apple 
 for having the (dare I say) foresight to design that accessibility right 
 into their products.  Certainly, Apple is to be commended for the effort 
 to provide devices that customers can use right out of the box without 
 incurring additional, prohibitive expense.

 But I have to point out that Microsoft at one point had mulled around the 
 idea of providing at least an embedded screen reader in the Windows OS; 
 I'm sure there are more than a few others on this list that will remember 
 this. The company had approached both NFB and ACB with feelers to get an 
 idea how that would be received by the blind and visually impaired 
 community.  The result of that inquiry caused Microsoft to drop the idea.  
 I must confess my guilt here as I replied with a resounding "NO" to this 
 idea -- I regret to say now.  Why I (and many others I presume) replied 
 that way is not germane to this list, but I think we should be careful not 
 to imply that Microsoft has been insensitive to our circumstances.  Just 
 for the record.
 
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 - "A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running."
 - Julius Henry (Groucho) Marx, 1890 - 1977 
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Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[David Chittenden]

Like I said, short-sighted. Microsoft is finally putting a full-fledged screen 
reader in Windows 8. And all those dire predictions of yesteryear are already 
proving to be so much hot air. The fact is the screen reader companies are 
finding the weaknesses in Windows Narrator and demonstrating that they are 
still needed. If Microsoft improves Windows Narrator (something which I am 
quite skeptical of given Microsoft's record to date), the screen reader 
manufacturers will focus on increasing accessibility to even more third-party 
programs; just as what most likely would have happened all those years ago had 
the blindness community not been so short-sighted. This is, after all, how 
markets work. Microsoft's commitment to accessibility is well-proven with their 
complete blockage of accessibility in Windows Phone 8. Fortunately, Apple has, 
at least for now, taken on accessibility fully as part of their core business.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 25/01/2013, at 4:53, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
> concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
> sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had come
> out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior screen
> reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For example, I doubt
> very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus Notes accessible
> with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my job years ago. I
> think there's a real concern with having the screen reader being
> developed by the same company that develops the OS and the applications.
> Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment, but
> I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO. It's
> obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but I can
> see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like Chrome,
> MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app developer to
> make their application accessible, but I need accessible apps and not
> finger pointing between the OS developer and the app developer.
> 
> 
> On 23/01/13 19:19, David Chittenden wrote:
>> Then, I am doubly thankful that Apple exhibited the foresight to not check 
>> with the apparently short-sighted blindness community. 
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 24/01/2013, at 6:03, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Please pardon me for this somewhat off topic message, but I do feel 
>>> obligated to clear the air just a wee bit on a subtle matter that has come 
>>> up in the original thread.
>>> 
>>> Now first, let me say that I also am extremely pleased with my iPhone 5 and 
>>> the embedded accessibility.  And likewise; major, major KUDOS to Apple for 
>>> having the (dare I say) foresight to design that accessibility right into 
>>> their products.  Certainly, Apple is to be commended for the effort to 
>>> provide devices that customers can use right out of the box without 
>>> incurring additional, prohibitive expense.
>>> 
>>> But I have to point out that Microsoft at one point had mulled around the 
>>> idea of providing at least an embedded screen reader in the Windows OS; I'm 
>>> sure there are more than a few others on this list that will remember this. 
>>> The company had approached both NFB and ACB with feelers to get an idea how 
>>> that would be received by the blind and visually impaired community.  The 
>>> result of that inquiry caused Microsoft to drop the idea.  I must confess 
>>> my guilt here as I replied with a resounding "NO" to this idea -- I regret 
>>> to say now.  Why I (and many others I presume) replied that way is not 
>>> germane to this list, but I think we should be careful not to imply that 
>>> Microsoft has been insensitive to our circumstances.  Just for the record.
>>> 
>>> Holland's Man, Bill
>>> - "A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running."
>>> - Julius Henry (Groucho) Marx, 1890 - 1977 
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Re: A Voxy Question

[Karen Poulakos]

Thanks.  The scrub gesture doesn't seem to work.  Decided to try just 
turning my iPad off and back on.  That seemed to take care of it.


Karen P
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: A Voxy Question



Try the scrub gesture. Sweep two fingers back and forth like you're
scrubbing the clean screen. This works for me in some apps.

On 24/01/13 09:39, Karen Poulakos wrote:

I was looking around in the Voxy settings yesterday.  I tapped the
"More" button, to see what was there, and can't seem to find a "Back"
button to get back to the settings.  Any suggestions are appreciated.

Karen Poulakos


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RE: RINGTONE MAKER PRO!!!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Anita,

 

If you check out an app on the app store it will definitely work on a 4S
unless otherwise indicated. 

 

As for working with Window-Eyes that really doesn't apply here, this is an
app for your iPhone and only indirectly has to do with Window-Eyes because
you have to use iTunes to transfer the ringtones  you make via the iTunes
file transfer feature. As long as you are comfortable using iTunes with
Windo-Eyes you should have no problem.

 

You transfer the ringtones you made with iTunes by hooking your iPhone up to
iTunes and find your phone under Devices.

Tab to the Apps radio button and check it.

Use F6 or tab until you get to the list of file sharing apps, find RingTone
Maker and tab into the list view to see the list of ringtones you made.

Select one by putting your cursor on it, then tab to the Save button and
Save it to the Tones folder in your iTunes Media folder.

Once you saved all the ringtones you want to save, make sure you check the
Tones radio button and either select to sync all or if you want to sync
selected tones then you have to make sure you check the new ringtones you
put in your folder.

After that sync your phone and it's done.

 

 

Good luck,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of anita
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RINGTONE MAKER PRO!!!

 

Does this work on the iPhone 4S, and with Window-Eyes?

- Original Message - 

From: Anthony Vece   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 2:30 PM

Subject: RINGTONE MAKER PRO!!!

 

Hi Everyone;

 

As the subject line says, Ringtone Maker Pro, is free today.

 

Most of the buttons are accessible.

 

I was able to make a ringtone on the iPhone 5 itself.

 

However, the instructions say to sync your phone with iTunes.

 

2. Open Apps settings for your iPhone

 

3. Scroll down to "File Sharing"

 

4. Save your ringtone to your media library

 

5. Re-Sync your iPhone

 

And, enjoy

 

Well,  I am using Windows 7 with the latest versions of iTunes and, Jaws

 

And I am unable to complete the last 2 steps.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

 

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SPAM postings, was: Digest for viphone@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 17 Topics

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Christopher,

I agree, but let's assume or maybe I should say hope that Mr. or Ms. BBS
whoever he/she is meant this as a generalization and did not imply that Jeff
sent that SPAM because I am sure he didn't. The fact that the message with
that link was not only sent to the list but to a bunch of other recipiants
indicates somebody probably hacked into Jeff's gmail account and used it for
this. I already emailed Jeff directly and hope that he sees my message or
maybe this post so he can change his gmail password.

There is of course the fact that BBS uses digest mode and didn't even bother
to change the subject line to reflect what the message was about which in
turn is not great list etiquette.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Digest for viphone@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 17 Topics

Don't assume that the sender intentionally sent this to the list. Their
system or account could have been compromised.

On 24/01/13 09:47, BBS wrote:
> Don't worry about it. It's spam. It's stupid that people have nothing
> else to do besides spamming people.
> 

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Re: ITunes Setting for Mounting IPod Touch 4 as a Disk?

[John Panarese]

Wow.  I didn't know that changed.  I rarely use it, but it's good 
information.


Take Care

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On Jan 24, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Ah, the help file indicates that this option doesn't apply to ITouch and 
> IPhones. That settles that.
> 
> Teresa
> On Jan 24, 2013, at 7:09 AM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm, John, I can't find it in either one of those places. How odd. I know 
>> I've seen it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> 
>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>> 
> 
> On Jan 24, 2013, at 7:09 AM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm, John, I can't find it in either one of those places. How odd. I know 
>> I've seen it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> 
>> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
>> 
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RE: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Les,

Have you tried to remove the app and redownload/reinstall it? I have a 4S
and I'm in Canada and it works very well and I also used it on a bunch of US
currency, about a dozen bills from hundreds to twenties to tens and fives
and I just kept picking them up and holding them over the phone which I put
camera up on my desk. I would say it recognized each bill in about a second.

I don't use it very much for Canadian currency because all our bills are
marked with braille. They use the full 6 dot character, a 5 Dollar bill has
1, a 10 dollar bill has 2, a 20 has 3, a 50 has 4 and a 100 has 2, but they
are only the very left and very right with the 2 middle ones missing so
there is a large gap in between. Of course they used to wear off on old
floppy bills, but all of our paper currency is now being switched to new
bills which are made from a more or less indistructable polymer material
which you can put through the washer and you really have to work hard to
tear it and on those I think it doesn't wear very much at all.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:

I have a 4S and I've noticed inconsistent performance.  As compared to the
initial release, the app is slower to respond in general to the point that I
am going to look at the other option discussed here.

Les
On Jan 23, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Alan Paganelli 
wrote:

> I have the first iBill bank note reader.  It's faster and easier then
pulling out my iPhone but I also have EyeNote on my iPhone as a backup.
> - Original Message - From: "Don Breda" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:12 PM
> Subject: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:
> 
> 
>> I used the money reader app on my iPhone 4 and was amazed at how
>> well it worked and how fast it read bills.
>> 
>> I was also amazed that it took no effort at all almost as if  it
>> couldn't help but read the bill.
>> 
>> Now with my iPhone 5 and its improved camera I find money reader much
>> more frustrating to use.
>> 
>> It seems to have a lot of trouble reading even brand new bills now and
>> frankly I am now glad I kept my iBill.
>> 
>> Have others noticed the same thing?
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 
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Re: Digest for viphone@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 17 Topics

[Christopher Chaltain]

Don't assume that the sender intentionally sent this to the list. Their
system or account could have been compromised.

On 24/01/13 09:47, BBS wrote:
> Don't worry about it. It's spam. It's stupid that people have nothing
> else to do besides spamming people.
> 

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Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had come
out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior screen
reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For example, I doubt
very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus Notes accessible
with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my job years ago. I
think there's a real concern with having the screen reader being
developed by the same company that develops the OS and the applications.
Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment, but
I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO. It's
obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but I can
see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like Chrome,
MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app developer to
make their application accessible, but I need accessible apps and not
finger pointing between the OS developer and the app developer.


On 23/01/13 19:19, David Chittenden wrote:
> Then, I am doubly thankful that Apple exhibited the foresight to not check 
> with the apparently short-sighted blindness community. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 24/01/2013, at 6:03, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
> 
>> Please pardon me for this somewhat off topic message, but I do feel 
>> obligated to clear the air just a wee bit on a subtle matter that has come 
>> up in the original thread.
>>
>> Now first, let me say that I also am extremely pleased with my iPhone 5 and 
>> the embedded accessibility.  And likewise; major, major KUDOS to Apple for 
>> having the (dare I say) foresight to design that accessibility right into 
>> their products.  Certainly, Apple is to be commended for the effort to 
>> provide devices that customers can use right out of the box without 
>> incurring additional, prohibitive expense.
>>
>> But I have to point out that Microsoft at one point had mulled around the 
>> idea of providing at least an embedded screen reader in the Windows OS; I'm 
>> sure there are more than a few others on this list that will remember this. 
>> The company had approached both NFB and ACB with feelers to get an idea how 
>> that would be received by the blind and visually impaired community.  The 
>> result of that inquiry caused Microsoft to drop the idea.  I must confess my 
>> guilt here as I replied with a resounding "NO" to this idea -- I regret to 
>> say now.  Why I (and many others I presume) replied that way is not germane 
>> to this list, but I think we should be careful not to imply that Microsoft 
>> has been insensitive to our circumstances.  Just for the record.
>> 
>> Holland's Man, Bill
>> - "A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running."
>> - Julius Henry (Groucho) Marx, 1890 - 1977 
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Re: Digest for viphone@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 17 Topics

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Don't worry about it. It's spam. It's stupid that people have nothing 
else to do besides spamming people.


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Re: A Voxy Question

[Christopher Chaltain]

Try the scrub gesture. Sweep two fingers back and forth like you're
scrubbing the clean screen. This works for me in some apps.

On 24/01/13 09:39, Karen Poulakos wrote:
> I was looking around in the Voxy settings yesterday.  I tapped the
> "More" button, to see what was there, and can't seem to find a "Back"
> button to get back to the settings.  Any suggestions are appreciated.
> 
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A Voxy Question

[Karen Poulakos]

I was looking around in the Voxy settings yesterday.  I tapped the "More" 
button, to see what was there, and can't seem to find a "Back" button to get 
back to the settings.  Any suggestions are appreciated.


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RE: Lost VoiceOver After Reset

[Regina Alvarado]

Ron:

Thanks for this.  Going in my documents for sure.  Until I am better with
iTunes I won't be able to use, but this was what I needed just in case.
Other option was to drop it in Apple's lap.

Reggie

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Lost VoiceOver After Reset

 

Hi Tom,

 

I have had the very same problem.  If you are using ITunes,  plug in your
phone, go to your settings, make sure summary is checked and tab to options.
Go to "Configure universal access" and hit enter.  Check the voice over box
and your voice over will turn on.

 

I don't know if this is an IOS 6 problem but I did have that problem only
under IOS 6

 

HTH

 

Ron & Danvers

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Lange
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Lost VoiceOver After Reset

 

Hi,

After reading a recent post to the list last night I was trying to play the
Escape The House game on my iPhone 4 running IOS 6.01 and I kept getting
kicked out of the app.  This continued even after clearing the app switcher,
so, says I, time for a reset, which I did by holding down the sleep/wake
button and home key at the same time for a few seconds.  When the phone came
back up, VoiceOver was not running and wouldn't start even after
triple-clicking the home key. I have some questions. 

 

First, is this VoiceOver loss situation common among all models of the
iPhone running IOS 6.01, or is it relatively rare and hard to reproduce?

Second, if it's fairly common, is Apple planning to do something about it?  

Third, instead of doing the reset that I just described, would simply
powering down the phone and restarting it have been a better idea?

Lastly, I'd really like to check out the Escape the House game and wonder if
I should uninstall and reinstall it to resolve the issue of being
unceremoniously dumped out of the app when trying to get past the first
screen.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Tom

 

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RE: Lost VoiceOver After Reset

[Regina Alvarado]

Accessibility does not care about this.  They don't want us doing the home
button/on/off button reboot.  They blamed me for the problem, and not easy
for me to get sighted help when nobody in my home can see a lick.  Angry
about their lack of understanding but I just don't do it.  If I ever need to
turn it off like that I will take it to an Apple store, even if it costs me
to do so.  Let them deal with my mess! Just reboot from the on/off, and
voice will come back on. Accessibility, in this case, yeah right! It was not
even a nice letter.  That is why I have never written to them again for any
concern.
Reggie

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandratomkins
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lost VoiceOver After Reset

Hi,

Just to clear something up here: as  I have lost VO several times now
after a reset, I have discovered that the thing which gets turned off is not
VO, but the default to triple click home. So, if you get sighted help to
enable vo, just get teh mto go to settings/general/accessibility and go down
to the bottom of the screen to find the tripple click home options and go
into that and enable Vo. Unfortunately, once this has happened, all of your
accessibility settings will have defaulted to the factory settings, so you
will have to go into VO and sort them out to your liking, but at least, once
VO is reenabled, you will be able to do this independently.

Because this bug seems to only affect the accessibility settings, I
imagine that apple is less aware of it than of other bugs in IOS6.1, so
maybe we should keep drawing their attention to it so that when the next
upgrade to the IOS comes out, it will be addressed.

Thanks, Sandy. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 23 Jan 2013, at 17:11, Nimit Kaur  wrote:

> Helllo Tom,
> 
> You might need a sighted person with you if you're blind.  Well, tell
> that person to go to settings, than general and then accessibility and
> than voiceover on.  Since you can't hear vo talking you might need a
> sighted person to set it up again.  And yes, I would have personally
> turned off my device and turn it on again instead of resetting first.
> Thanks and hope it clears your anxiousness.
> 
> 
> On 1/23/13, Regina Alvarado  wrote:
>> Tom:
>> 
>> David and some others have more experience trying to reproduce this.  For
>> me
>> it was once burned, you know the saying! I never have done the reset with
>> home and on/off again.  I just turn my phone off and reboot, and it seems
>> to
>> work.  Don't think Apple has any thoughts of fixing as accessibility
wrote
>> back to me when I asked them about this and told me it was my fault for
>> using this shutdown.  You can always turn on VO from iTunes, but I still
>> have not figured out how.  iTunes does not seem to see my phone, though I
>> am
>> getting better at working with iTunes.  Maybe someone else can tell us
what
>> to look for in iTunes to turn VO back on.  Of course, once it is back on
>> you
>> are good to go!
>> 
>> Reggie and Brooks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  _
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
>> Of Tom Lange
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Lost VoiceOver After Reset
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> After reading a recent post to the list last night I was trying to play
the
>> Escape The House game on my iPhone 4 running IOS 6.01 and I kept getting
>> kicked out of the app.  This continued even after clearing the app
>> switcher,
>> so, says I, time for a reset, which I did by holding down the sleep/wake
>> button and home key at the same time for a few seconds.  When the phone
>> came
>> back up, VoiceOver was not running and wouldn't start even after
>> triple-clicking the home key. I have some questions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> First, is this VoiceOver loss situation common among all models of the
>> iPhone running IOS 6.01, or is it relatively rare and hard to reproduce?
>> 
>> Second, if it's fairly common, is Apple planning to do something about
it?
>> 
>> 
>> Third, instead of doing the reset that I just described, would simply
>> powering down the phone and restarting it have been a better idea?
>> 
>> Lastly, I'd really like to check out the Escape the House game and wonder
>> if
>> I should uninstall and reinstall it to resolve the issue of being
>> unceremoniously dumped out of the app when trying to get past the first
>> screen.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
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Re: ITunes Setting for Mounting IPod Touch 4 as a Disk?

[Teresa Cochran]

Ah, the help file indicates that this option doesn't apply to ITouch and 
IPhones. That settles that.

Teresa
On Jan 24, 2013, at 7:09 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hmmm, John, I can't find it in either one of those places. How odd. I know 
> I've seen it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 

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> Hmmm, John, I can't find it in either one of those places. How odd. I know 
> I've seen it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
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Re: ITunes Setting for Mounting IPod Touch 4 as a Disk?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hmmm, John, I can't find it in either one of those places. How odd. I know I've 
seen it.

Thanks,
Teresa


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RE: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:

[Richard Turner]

I have had nothing but great success with Money Reader on the iPHone 5.  It
is as responsive as ever.
I have the newer Otterbox Defender case on it which has the large cut-out
for the camera.

Richard
 

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Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:

I have a 4S and I've noticed inconsistent performance.  As compared to the
initial release, the app is slower to respond in general to the point that I
am going to look at the other option discussed here.

Les
On Jan 23, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Alan Paganelli 
wrote:

> I have the first iBill bank note reader.  It's faster and easier then
pulling out my iPhone but I also have EyeNote on my iPhone as a backup.
> - Original Message - From: "Don Breda" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:12 PM
> Subject: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:
> 
> 
>> I used the money reader app on my iPhone 4 and was amazed at how well 
>> it worked and how fast it read bills.
>> 
>> I was also amazed that it took no effort at all almost as if  it 
>> couldn't help but read the bill.
>> 
>> Now with my iPhone 5 and its improved camera I find money reader much 
>> more frustrating to use.
>> 
>> It seems to have a lot of trouble reading even brand new bills now 
>> and frankly I am now glad I kept my iBill.
>> 
>> Have others noticed the same thing?
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 
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Re:

[Teresa Cochran]

Looks like spam. Any link with no explanation is one I don't open.

Teresa


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> 
> Paul
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Turner
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Re: ITunes Setting for Mounting IPod Touch 4 as a Disk?

[John Panarese]

   Is that the checkbox in iTunes preferences under the devices pane?  It's 
either that one, or it shows up in the info tab when you have the device 
connected to your computer.


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On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:01 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, all,
> 
> I can't for the life of me find this setting in iTunes for the Mac. I'm using 
> the most recent version. I'd like to be able to eject from the desktop and 
> perhaps store some data outside of ITunes on my Ipod Touch 4.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> 
> Visualize whirled peas.
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Re: Magazines through iTunes

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Craig,

The three or so magazines that I have tried through that, always as paid by the 
way, none have worked. They are all as you correctly point out images or scans 
of the actual product.

This of course renders them inaccessible and this will not change until the 
producer converts the production method to something accessible.





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On 24 Jan 2013, at 14:24, Craig Borne  wrote:

> Hello list,
>  
> I tried downloading some history related magazines through the Newsstand app 
> (which is through iTunes).  For each of the magazines, there was a 
> subscription price, but there was also a free sample option for each.
>  
> I selected the free sample for download, but I found the magazine to not be 
> accessible using voice over.  In other words, the magazine was like a scanned 
> photo of the actual magazine pages.
>  
> Here are my questions:
> 1.   Was the magazine inaccessible with voice over because it was a 
> sample, or would the subscription likely be the same way?
> 2.   Are there any magazines that are not produced in this format and 
> that is accessible with voice over?
> 3.   Is there any work around?
> 4.   Is there any other app that will assist in making these magazines 
> accessible?
>  
> Thank you,
> Craig
>  
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Re: Speeding up voice over

[Marcy Weinberg]

Go to speech/general/accessibility/voiceover. Flick down to the rover button 
and double tap it. Select speech rate with a double tap, and then exit settings.

Turn the rotor to speech rate, and flick up and down to change the percentage 
higher to lower or lower to higher.

Now, you'll be able to change the speech rate on the fly.



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On Jan 24, 2013, at 5:56 AM, "Reese"  wrote:

> Hi list:
> 
> Have a question for a friend who just purchased the IPhone.  How do you go 
> about adjusting the speech rate for voice over?  Thanks!
> 
> Reese
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Re: encrypted Backup, was Re: iCloud.com

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

connect your device to your computer, open iTunes, and navigate to your device 
in the sources table.  It is found in the first settings category.  I can't 
remember what its called.  lol. summary, info, something like that.  any which 
way, its where you would find the serial number for your device and the option 
to update.

hth

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On Jan 23, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

> So, how do I do an encrypted backup?  ITunes automatically backs up my phone
> when I connect it to my computer via the connecting cable, I assume this one
> is not encrypted, being that it has never asked for a password.  Thanks for
> any information.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:23 AM
> Subject: Re: iCloud.com
> 
> 
>> In my view, the best way to back up is by making an encrypted backup to
>> iTunes. This will back up data that iCloud and unencrypted backups do not,
>> because it backs up the key chain of your device.
>> 
>> Secure information such as passwords will be restored to your phone if you
>> back up this way, but they won't with other methods.
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> On 23/01/2013, at 11:00 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>>> Being that you, and others, have indicated that iCloud.com is not very
>>> accessible, does this mean that I should continue to back up my phone to
>>> my computer, or will my phone restore itself from iCloud, if necessary,
>>> on its own?
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:50 PM
>>> Subject: RE: iCloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi Shane,
 
 The iCloud.com website is not very accessible no matter what
 screenreader
 you use and this even applies to using it with Safari on a Mac with
 Voiceover.
 
 However, if you use Jaws and know how to use the Jaws cursor well you
 can do
 some stuff. I find there really isn't much I need to do on there, the
 most
 useful function if you don't have another iDevice would be to activate
 the
 Find My iPhone feature and cause your iPhone to emit a sound and this is
 possible with Jaws, but as I said, it's not the easiest thing to do.
 Jaws
 will read buttons like log in or sign in whatever it says, but it
 doesn't
 necessarily activate them with enter or space. Instead try and route the
 Jaws to PC and then do a left mouse click.
 
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
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 Of Shane clark
 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:39 PM
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 As someone said on one of the lists, iCloud.com and Jaws do not get
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 all. So what's the best way to view iCloud.com?
 
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Re: Accessible-iOS 4s setup - importing mail account settings?

[Ricardo Walker]

Create a backup and then use the backup when setting up the new device.

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On Jan 24, 2013, at 4:30 AM, RobH!  wrote:

> I have 2 iDevices so far with all the same mailboxes;  so how can I import 
> all this to the new device?
> 
> I have iCloud on on all devices and backed up; bit reluctant to do restore 
> unless that means the same as import.
> 
> Thanks, RobH. 
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Re: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:

[Les Kriegler]

I have a 4S and I've noticed inconsistent performance.  As compared to the 
initial release, the app is slower to respond in general to the point that I am 
going to look at the other option discussed here.

Les
On Jan 23, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Alan Paganelli  
wrote:

> I have the first iBill bank note reader.  It's faster and easier then pulling 
> out my iPhone but I also have EyeNote on my iPhone as a backup.
> - Original Message - From: "Don Breda" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:12 PM
> Subject: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:
> 
> 
>> I used the money reader app on my iPhone 4 and was amazed at how
>> well it worked and how fast it read bills.
>> 
>> I was also amazed that it took no effort at all almost as if  it
>> couldn't help but read the bill.
>> 
>> Now with my iPhone 5 and its improved camera I find money reader much
>> more frustrating to use.
>> 
>> It seems to have a lot of trouble reading even brand new bills now and
>> frankly I am now glad I kept my iBill.
>> 
>> Have others noticed the same thing?
>> 
>> Don
>> 
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Re:

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What is this link?

Paul

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Re: any more voices for the i phone?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, Jaws is a screen reader, not a voice. Eloquence is a voice, not a 
screen reader. Eloquence is widely used by screen readers such as Jaws 
and Window-Eyes.


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On 1/23/2013 8:20 PM, Nimit Kaur wrote:

I like the vo voice in the i devices!!! The only voice if I really had
to choose would be Jaws!!  Since I am so used to it.  I am sorry, but
I don't really like elenquence or Sepi 5.  Thanks  Wait!!!
Sorry for that!  Is Jaws and elenquence same? (please excuse my
spelling) Thanks!


On 1/23/13, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:

Another option would be the Loquendo voices.
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- Original Message -
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: any more voices for the i phone?


Never I hope. I wish they would get rid of Samantha too. .
However no one is ever going to fully agree on the ideal voice. Some are
still in love with eloquence while some are in love with Samantha. Then
there are people like me who will use what is available because
grumbling about it won't make a difference in what Apple goes with.
Since I have no better suggestion on what should be added or removed,
I'll just stick with snotty Samantha.

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On 1/23/2013 5:00 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

When will we see elequence on iphone?


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Of BBS
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:15 AM
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Subject: Re: any more voices for the i phone?

Yes, but you can't download the HQ versions of those voices so I'd
rather stay away from those.



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Re: Lost VoiceOver After Reset

[Sandratomkins]

Hi,

Just to clear something up here: as  I have lost VO several times now after 
a reset, I have discovered that the thing which gets turned off is not VO, but 
the default to triple click home. So, if you get sighted help to enable vo, 
just get teh mto go to settings/general/accessibility and go down to the bottom 
of the screen to find the tripple click home options and go into that and 
enable Vo. Unfortunately, once this has happened, all of your accessibility 
settings will have defaulted to the factory settings, so you will have to go 
into VO and sort them out to your liking, but at least, once VO is reenabled, 
you will be able to do this independently.

Because this bug seems to only affect the accessibility settings, I imagine 
that apple is less aware of it than of other bugs in IOS6.1, so maybe we should 
keep drawing their attention to it so that when the next upgrade to the IOS 
comes out, it will be addressed.

Thanks, Sandy. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 23 Jan 2013, at 17:11, Nimit Kaur  wrote:

> Helllo Tom,
> 
> You might need a sighted person with you if you're blind.  Well, tell
> that person to go to settings, than general and then accessibility and
> than voiceover on.  Since you can't hear vo talking you might need a
> sighted person to set it up again.  And yes, I would have personally
> turned off my device and turn it on again instead of resetting first.
> Thanks and hope it clears your anxiousness.
> 
> 
> On 1/23/13, Regina Alvarado  wrote:
>> Tom:
>> 
>> David and some others have more experience trying to reproduce this.  For
>> me
>> it was once burned, you know the saying! I never have done the reset with
>> home and on/off again.  I just turn my phone off and reboot, and it seems
>> to
>> work.  Don't think Apple has any thoughts of fixing as accessibility wrote
>> back to me when I asked them about this and told me it was my fault for
>> using this shutdown.  You can always turn on VO from iTunes, but I still
>> have not figured out how.  iTunes does not seem to see my phone, though I
>> am
>> getting better at working with iTunes.  Maybe someone else can tell us what
>> to look for in iTunes to turn VO back on.  Of course, once it is back on
>> you
>> are good to go!
>> 
>> Reggie and Brooks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  _
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Tom Lange
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Lost VoiceOver After Reset
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> After reading a recent post to the list last night I was trying to play the
>> Escape The House game on my iPhone 4 running IOS 6.01 and I kept getting
>> kicked out of the app.  This continued even after clearing the app
>> switcher,
>> so, says I, time for a reset, which I did by holding down the sleep/wake
>> button and home key at the same time for a few seconds.  When the phone
>> came
>> back up, VoiceOver was not running and wouldn't start even after
>> triple-clicking the home key. I have some questions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> First, is this VoiceOver loss situation common among all models of the
>> iPhone running IOS 6.01, or is it relatively rare and hard to reproduce?
>> 
>> Second, if it's fairly common, is Apple planning to do something about it?
>> 
>> 
>> Third, instead of doing the reset that I just described, would simply
>> powering down the phone and restarting it have been a better idea?
>> 
>> Lastly, I'd really like to check out the Escape the House game and wonder
>> if
>> I should uninstall and reinstall it to resolve the issue of being
>> unceremoniously dumped out of the app when trying to get past the first
>> screen.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
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Re: Question about iLikeble#bRead

[Sandratomkins]

Hi,

I use this app all the time on my 4s and the old 4. However, I did upgrade 
to "iLike2Read pro", which seemed a little sluggish at first but works 
flawlessly for me now. I am not using a braille display at the moment, just the 
built in voice Daniel. So, don't know if a Braille Display would make a 
difference, but I never do anything special when taking a break from a book. I 
either just turn off the phone, Double click the home button to go to the app 
switcher to access another app, or just go home etc. In all these cases, 
iLike2Read Pro keeps my place in the book, no problems. However, if I have 
closed the app or left it open in the app switcher for a while, doing other 
things, when I reenter the book I am reading, I always wait a while, because if 
you touch the screen imediately upon reopening the app when a book is open, the 
appp has to find your position, beginning by showing the first page and then 
moving to your last place. So, perhaps, a little patience, just, say, 5 
seconds, might be the answer? If you touch the screen before the bookmarked 
place is found, then you may well be put back at the start of the book.

As for the "go to page" function, this is available at the bottom of the 
screen and works well for me, plus, moving by percentages is a great way to 
refind your place if you fell asleep while listening, my tendency.

So, assuming that all is the same even if yoy are using a braille display, 
do try the upgrade to the Pro version.

JMT Sandy. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 23 Jan 2013, at 17:43, Brett  wrote:

> Hi,. 
> 
> When you have stopped reading, you need to click the back button twice to get 
> back to your list of books. This should close the book your reading and 
> remember your place.. 
> 
> Hope this works for you, this is a great program, but for me has become buggy 
> under iOS 6. 
> 
> Sent from Brett's iPhone
> 
> On 24/01/2013, at 2:50 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
>> I think I could like this program a lot, but it always wants to return to 
>> the beginning of a file. It doesnot't seem to respond to a bookmark command 
>> or to a goto page command. Am I doing something wrong? Is there a trick I'm 
>> missing?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> 
>> 
>> Kristeen Hughes
>> Skype: lostonsylvane
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Re: Deleting songs from your iTunes Library while viewing a playlist

[Alan Paganelli]

you can edit the playlist and delete the songs you no longer want in the 
list and then save the edited playlist.  The songs you deleted from the list 
will no longer be played.
- Original Message - 
From: "Grant Hardy" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: Deleting songs from your iTunes Library while viewing a playlist



I'm trying to tame my iTunes Library so that I'll have an easier time
managing it on my iPhone. Is there a way to delete songs from your
library directly from a playlist, or do you have to open them in
"Music" before you can do that? If the former, I could easily make a
smart playlist containing tracks that I wish to delete. Thanks.

Grant

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Re: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:

[Alan Paganelli]

I have the first iBill bank note reader.  It's faster and easier then 
pulling out my iPhone but I also have EyeNote on my iPhone as a backup.
- Original Message - 
From: "Don Breda" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:12 PM
Subject: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:



I used the money reader app on my iPhone 4 and was amazed at how
well it worked and how fast it read bills.

I was also amazed that it took no effort at all almost as if  it
couldn't help but read the bill.

Now with my iPhone 5 and its improved camera I find money reader much
more frustrating to use.

It seems to have a lot of trouble reading even brand new bills now and
frankly I am now glad I kept my iBill.

Have others noticed the same thing?

Don


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Re: is there an app taht will read CD covers?

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How about tap tap see?
If it is just text you are wanting to read, you might be able to use an OCR 
app, but I think Tap Tap see might be quicker and easier.


You also could use an app called Recognizer, but there would be time 
involved to first get all of your CDs scanne into your personal database.

Like I said, I think Tap Tap see would be your quickest and easiest answer.
Plus, the app is free!

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:31 PM
To: VIPhone List
Subject: is there an app taht will read CD covers?

Hello. Is there an app for the iPhone 5 that will read CD covers, too? I'm
talking about the kind of CD covers that we might make for homemade
compilations of disks and they'd ony be in text or rtf or .doc formats?

Note:  I don't know which address my subscription is under right now,
because when I posted I did not receive a copy of messages. Are we suppose
to receive a copy back?

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Re: any more voices for the i phone?

[Nimit Kaur]

I like the vo voice in the i devices!!! The only voice if I really had
to choose would be Jaws!!  Since I am so used to it.  I am sorry, but
I don't really like elenquence or Sepi 5.  Thanks  Wait!!!
Sorry for that!  Is Jaws and elenquence same? (please excuse my
spelling) Thanks!


On 1/23/13, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:
> Another option would be the Loquendo voices.
> ***
> character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you.
>
> web page
> http://www.wrighthere.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:13 AM
> Subject: Re: any more voices for the i phone?
>
>
> Never I hope. I wish they would get rid of Samantha too. .
> However no one is ever going to fully agree on the ideal voice. Some are
> still in love with eloquence while some are in love with Samantha. Then
> there are people like me who will use what is available because
> grumbling about it won't make a difference in what Apple goes with.
> Since I have no better suggestion on what should be added or removed,
> I'll just stick with snotty Samantha.
>
> --
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> Do you know what it means to come home at night to a woman who'll give
> you a little love, a little affection, a little tenderness? It means
> you're in the wrong house. - George Burns
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> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47
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> On 1/23/2013 5:00 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> When will we see elequence on iphone?
>>
>>
>> Cheers:
>> Ramy Moustafa
>> If music be the food of love... play on.
>> Mobile:
>> 0020102221750
>> Personal email:
>> ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com
>> Msn and aim messengers:
>> flutelo...@link.net
>> Studio email:
>> harmonystudio2...@gmail.com
>> facebook profile:
>> http://www.facebook.com/
>> Twitter:
>> moustafa.r...@gmail.com
>> youtube chanael:
>> www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of BBS
>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any more voices for the i phone?
>>
>> Yes, but you can't download the HQ versions of those voices so I'd
>> rather stay away from those.
>>
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Tap Tap see

[Chris Chaffin]

I use tap tap see with my curtain on, and I did not adjust my brightness at 
all.

And it works wondderfully.

A great app, and highly recommended!
I mean, why not, it is free!


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-Original Message- 
From: Fazil

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:

Do you have to have screen-curtain off and a certain level of brightness in
order to use Tap-Tap-See?
Thanks!
- Original Message - 
From: "Eileen Misrahi" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:



Hi Don,

I am running an iPhone4, but Jen on this list tipped me off in using
"TapTapSee" app to recognize paper money. The app is free and within 3-5
seconds it gave me the result. I repeated it with 3 different 
denominations
to make sure that I was getting an accurate result all the time. The app 
is
free. You should install it and try it out. You will be pleasantly 
surprise.

HTH.

Eileen

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Don Breda
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Looktel money reader results on the iPhone 5:

I used the money reader app on my iPhone 4 and was amazed at how
well it worked and how fast it read bills.

I was also amazed that it took no effort at all almost as if  it couldn't
help but read the bill.

Now with my iPhone 5 and its improved camera I find money reader much more
frustrating to use.

It seems to have a lot of trouble reading even brand new bills now and
frankly I am now glad I kept my iBill.

Have others noticed the same thing?

Don


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RE: Speeding up voice over

[Jesus Garcia]

Go to settings, enter general, enter accessibility, enter voice over on,
flick to the right until you find speaking rate it will be an adjustable
flick one finger up or down depending on what speed you want. 
Note when you become more familiar with the IOS there is a way to do this
using the rotor. I recommend you leave that alone for now. 

-Original Message-
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Of Reese
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 05:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speeding up voice over

Hi list:

Have a question for a friend who just purchased the IPhone.  How do you go
about adjusting the speech rate for voice over?  Thanks!

Reese

Now playing the best in R&B, Blues and Soft rock.  Its the new Peachtree
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Speeding up voice over

[Reese]

Hi list:

Have a question for a friend who just purchased the IPhone.  How do you go 
about adjusting the speech rate for voice over?  Thanks!

Reese

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Re: What about developement of the new navigation app for iphone from sendero.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I hope this thing will be as good as GEO, or like the Trekker Breeze.  I look 
forward to the app.

Kawal.

On 24 Jan 2013, at 09:13 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Annie,
> 
> Limited on what I can say, but, shall simply say that they are still working 
> on it.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
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> 
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> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 24 Jan 2013, at 00:14, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> In the summer it was announced, that there should be a new release of a 
>> navigation app specially develloped for the blind. Do anybody know if there 
>> will be released a special navigation app, or sendero has given up the 
>> development of such an app.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
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Re: What about developement of the new navigation app for iphone from sendero.

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Annie,

Limited on what I can say, but, shall simply say that they are still working on 
it.



Regards,

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On 24 Jan 2013, at 00:14, Annie Skov Nielsen  wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> In the summer it was announced, that there should be a new release of a 
> navigation app specially develloped for the blind. Do anybody know if there 
> will be released a special navigation app, or sendero has given up the 
> development of such an app.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
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Re: logging in to bt wifi

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Tony,

You will need to contact BT and ask them for your BT WiFi / BT OpenZone 
credentials.

Do note, I gave up on this ages ago, as a fellow BT user, I expected a similar 
service to The Cloud or O2 WiFi. That is where you log on once, validate, and 
from there the service retains your MAC address. That way whenever you are in 
range of one of their hot spots you auto connect and authenticate.

However, BT expect you to log in each and every time your phone connects to a 
hot spot, which is way, way to much hassle for most people.

grrr.

anyway, that's how you do it.



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On 23 Jan 2013, at 16:59, Tony Elbourn  wrote:

> hi all those in the u.k.
> 
> at present i am away from home and need to log on to a bt network.  at home i 
> am on btinternet.com.  i should be pleased if anyone can tell me what 
> information i need to put in to log in8
> 
> thank you in anticipation of any replies.
> 
> tony.logging in to bt wi-fi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Answering a call on a iPhone 5

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Gina,

I'm in the UK, you can call our service desk and we'd be happy to talk you 
through this.

0844 999 4199

ask for Neil.



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On 24 Jan 2013, at 00:05, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> Sorry, a bit behind with my mail.
> 
> No that's it, Any slightest touch of the screen when the phone is locked ends 
> the call. When it's in my hand-bag or pocket I can't avoid touching the 
> screen.
> 
> If the phone isn't locked, I can swipe as much as I like between the decline 
> and answer buttons to make my selection. But if it is locked I'm done for.
> 
> David: Here in the UK, on O2, the power button doesn't do anything. As I 
> accidentally tried that owing to had used an Android previously and didn't 
> realise what I was doing. Habit is useful at times but not at others.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 23/01/2013 17:19, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> Hi Gina, double tap the screen with two fingers. Double tap the screen with 
>> two fingers again to end the call.
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> On 23/01/2013, at 12:20 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I've had my iPhone 5 for some time now and I don't think I've answered a 
>>> call successfully at all. As soon as I touch the screen it hangs up. How do 
>>> I resolve this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
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ITunes Setting for Mounting IPod Touch 4 as a Disk?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

I can't for the life of me find this setting in iTunes for the Mac. I'm using 
the most recent version. I'd like to be able to eject from the desktop and 
perhaps store some data outside of ITunes on my Ipod Touch 4.

Thanks,
Teresa


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