Re: Voiceover voices

[Devin Prater]

I use alex, and the British female Siri voice.

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> On Apr 5, 2016, at 11:27 PM, solaunmarissa2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> What voice do group members use with VoiceOver 
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Voiceover voices

[solaunmarissa2007]

What voice do group members use with VoiceOver 

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RE: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Go to Settings > General > Accessibility > Voiceover > Speech and tap on 
Default Dialect.
Make sure you select "Samantha Enhanced" and not "Samantha Default". The 
default is the lower quality, compact voice. You can also try out SIRI Mal or 
SIRI Female and see how you like them.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eva Abbas
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:45 PM
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Subject: Re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

Hello listers,

I just want to add that Samantha's voice in voiceover became  ugly in this 
new update.  It sounded more human in the previous update.  It sounds more 
computerized in the IOS 9.3.  Ugly!



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RE: Hidden iPhone features

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, you can do so by putting your finger on the item and then doing a split 
tap, i.e. tap 10 times quickly with a second finger.

 

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Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hidden iPhone features

 

I think these are for visual people, since I don’t know the keystrokes for a 
great many of these tricks.

 

Especially the tapping on the tab ten times to empty the cache.

 

Anyone know how to do this without this keystroke?

 

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From: Pinky   

Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 7:53 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Hidden Iphone features

 

 

 

How many times have you seen posts on tech sites about “hidden iPhone features” 
and thought to yourself, these tricks aren’t really hidden at all. We’ve even 
had a few articles here on BGR with tips that were indeed unknown to most 
users, but the savvy iOS device owners out there were undoubtedly familiar with 
at least a few of them.

Well, in this piece we’re going to tell you about 25 hidden features that are 
really, truly hidden. As in, you could look through your iPhone from now until 
the end of time and you wouldn’t find any of these tricks unless you know what 
you’re looking for.

DON’T MISS: The math they don’t want you to see: iPhone carrier trade-ins are 
always a bad idea

In the past, many of the hidden tips we’ve seen on sites and even covered here 
are simply things that are buried in the Settings app in places people normally 
wouldn’t look. These are great things to know — plenty of people would make 
their camera flash blink with incoming messages if they knew that they could, 
for example — but they’re not really “hidden” or “secret,” per se.

Each of the tips that follow below, however, are completely hidden. There is no 
indication that these functions exist in iOS, and we guarantee that most users 
don’t know about them. In fact, we also guarantee that even the savviest iPhone 
owners among you will find at least one or two things you didn’t already know. 
In fact, ran this list past a friend who works at Apple and there were a few 
things that even he didn’t know.

Enjoy.

Redial: In the Phone app, press the green call button on the keypad screen to 
make the last dialed number appear.

Clear cache: Make your iPhone run faster by clearing out the cache in several 
of Apple’s apps using a secret trick. In the App Store, Podcasts, Music, Game 
Center and Phone apps, tap on any single tab icon at the bottom of the screen 
10 times in a row.

Make TouchID work faster: Save the same fingerprint multiple times as different 
entries and TouchID will work much faster. This is especially useful on older 
phones like the iPhone 6 and iPhone 5s.

Spotlight conversions: Remember when we told you how easy conversions are in 
our post on Google search tricks? It’s even easier for iPhone users — just open 
Spotlight and type something like “20 euros in GBP,” and it will instantly 
perform the conversion.

Spotlight math: Want to do a quick math problem? No need to open the Calculator 
app, just pull down to open Spotlight and type it right there.

Delete numbers in the Calculator: Speaking of the Calculator, you can delete 
single digits when you tap the wrong number by swiping left or right on the 
screen where the numbers appear.

Clear RAM to make your phone run faster: Hold down the power button until you 
see “Slide to power off,” then let go and hold down the home button until the 
screen goes blank and your home screen reappears.

Burst mode: Hold down the camera’s shutter button to shoot in burst mode.

Remote shutter: Use the volume up or down button on your headphones to snap a 
photo in the Camera app.

Turn the flashlight off: How many times have you turned your flashlight on and 
wished that you didn’t have to swipe open the Control Panel again to shut it 
off? We’ll save you a step: simply swipe up on the camera icon on your lock 
screen and the flashlight will turn off.

3D Touch while drawing: All of the drawing tools and the eraser are pressure 
sensitive in the Notes app.

Close multiple apps at once: Double-tap the home button to open the app 
switcher and you can use two, even three fingers to slide multiple apps closed 
with one swipe.

Recently closed tabs: Want to reread this article on your phone but you forgot 
what site you were reading it on in the first place? Simply tap and hold on the 
+ symbol in Safari on the tab carousel view to open a screen that lists all of 
your recently closed tabs.

Desktop version of a site: We all know you can request the desktop version of a 
mobile site 

Re: Unable to search by author in voice dream all items list

[Mary Otten]

Well, the thought of re-downloading all these books is depressing. Don't think 
that's going to happen.
Mary


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> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, I stand corrected. But, this fix must have been done on Bookshare's side 
> since I had just downloaded the Katherine Neville books last week and her 
> name did not show up in the list, but it does now.
> Very odd.
> So, now to decide how many redownloads I want to do.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPod 6
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I downloaded the eight, had my all items list set sort so that the  most 
>> recent book add it would be at the top of the list, and there it is, with 
>> the author listed. Just like the other ones I downloaded yesterday and today.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try downloading The Eight, by Katherine Neville.
>>> Or, any book by Katherine Neville.
>>> Or, A Man Called Ove by Fredrik Backman.
>>> Let me know what you find for authors then.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod 6
>>> 
 On Apr 5, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Hi Richard,
 I just checked the books I have recently downloaded, and all of them show 
 the author.  Also, I just tried an author search for the last name of an 
 author who wrote one of the books I downloaded since installing version 
 four. And what do you know? The book showed up? So I will report this to 
 Winston. But unfortunately I cannot corroborate your finding with your new 
 books not having the author. I assume they came from book share, right?
 Mary
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, please write Winston.
> I've been corresponding with him about the issue of sorting by author. He 
> seems to think that "new downloads" show the author. But I have 5 books I 
> downloaded last week that do not show the author.
> I think between version 4 of Voice Dream and whatever changes happened in 
> the API, authors got lost.
> The more confirmation from users the better.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPod 6
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> OK then. I guess I will be writing to Winston. I have noticed that with 
>> the change to the new set up, when you're going through a list of titles 
>> from book share, those titles used to have the title and the author read 
>> out. Now, it's just the title. So that might be why the search can't 
>> find authors. If so, it's really a drag.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Mary! I have just tried like you to search by author and exactly 
>>> the same happened to me. Must be another bug? Harry
>>> 
 On 5 Apr 2016, at 16:23, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Before writing to Winston to see if this is by design, I thought I 
 would ask her if others are experiencing this as well. In voice dream, 
 latest version, if I try searching all items, I can do that with 
 words, and get titles which contain those words. However, I cannot 
 find authors whose work I know I have. I know the books are there. But 
 if I search on the authors last name, nothing shows up. I don't get 
 "no results". It just has my search text and the keyboard with the 
 alphabet still waiting, as though the search request never actually 
 took. Very strange. Can anyone duplicate this? Am I somehow missing a 
 way to change from title to author search? I certainly am not seeing 
 anything like that, except when searching in a given source, such as 
 book share, where you can search by title, author, ISBN, or full text.
 Mary
 
 
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Backing Up Digit-Eyes Lists?

[Dani Pagador]

Hi, Everyone.
I needed to take my iPod Touch in to replace it. I backed it up before
doing so. I took the replacement home and needed to update to the
latest IOS before restoring my backup.

I opened Digit-Eyes and can scan all right. But my lists are gone.

I don't mind rescanning to get the lists back, but is there a way to
back the lists up so I don't have to recreate them if I need to
replace my iThing?

Thanks,
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RE: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

The problem is not in what you get when you turn the rotor, the bug is when you 
go to Voiceover settings > Rotor where you select which items you want to 
appear on the rotor and in what order they should be in. If you move things 
around, select and deselect items at some point things suddenly seem to happen 
mysteriously by themselves. For example, I never have audio ducking or 
punctuation selected, but when I was checking out what Ari said, suddenly some 
of these things were selected even though I didn't tap on them. Then I moved 
Buttons way up in the list and next thing I knew it was gone again and back to 
where it was before I moved it much further down.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 1:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

I think the rotor does sometimes move from what you had selected, if what you 
selected is not available in the app that is now open. For instance, if you are 
in some sort of document that is not HTML, and thus does not have headings, the 
rotor would move off of headings to something else. Or if you had it on 
actions, as when in an email list and deleting things as you go, then you move 
into the text of the message, it's not going to be on actions anymore, since 
that doesn't apply and texts, where there are no actions. I don't believe this 
is new. Certainly not new with any recent update.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 10:17 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
> I now notice that my rotor settings change at will, unless I don't remember 
> how it used to work. Does the rotor selection stay the same no matter what 
> application you are in until you change it manually? 
>For example, when in contacts if I put it on headings, then close out 
> contacts then go back it is no longer on headings but switches me back to 
> characters. I don't remember this being the case before updating. 
>I would hope the selection on the rotor that was last selected would stay 
> the same whether I am in Contacts, Net Flix or Music. 
>Speaking of the new bug with the rotor which Siegart detailed, is the 
> latest update beyond 9.3 creating more things like this, or happily quickly 
> resolving things like this.
>On a happy note I just got my DSL upgraded for a mere $1. This is after 
> over 7 hours of calls to my carrier in the last 2 weeks. It was determined 
> this morning that the line outside was damaged. And, even after all was 
> fixed, the technician said I was getting a slow connection speed and might 
> want to consider upgrading. When I called I was told I was at the fastest 
> speed possible for my area, which was miserably slow. The technician said 
> emphatically that it was not true, made a call, and a new report was filed 
> with the carrier. When I went back to upgrade, voila, they already had 
> changed their record and I was able to upgrade. This technician was the 
> friendliest ever. He pulled some strings that the person upgrading me was 
> amazed he was able to do near instantly. I'm only mentioning this because my 
> i phone has been getting slower and slower over time, and had I not 
> persisted, it would have been rendered useless.
>Isn't it just like all service experience, one person can solve a problem 
> which the next person doesn't even recognize.
> 
>Deidre
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Re: Unable to search by author in voice dream all items list

[Richard Turner]

OK, I stand corrected. But, this fix must have been done on Bookshare's side 
since I had just downloaded the Katherine Neville books last week and her name 
did not show up in the list, but it does now.
Very odd.
So, now to decide how many redownloads I want to do.
Richard


Sent from my iPod 6

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK, I downloaded the eight, had my all items list set sort so that the  most 
> recent book add it would be at the top of the list, and there it is, with the 
> author listed. Just like the other ones I downloaded yesterday and today.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try downloading The Eight, by Katherine Neville.
>> Or, any book by Katherine Neville.
>> Or, A Man Called Ove by Fredrik Backman.
>> Let me know what you find for authors then.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod 6
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> I just checked the books I have recently downloaded, and all of them show 
>>> the author.  Also, I just tried an author search for the last name of an 
>>> author who wrote one of the books I downloaded since installing version 
>>> four. And what do you know? The book showed up? So I will report this to 
>>> Winston. But unfortunately I cannot corroborate your finding with your new 
>>> books not having the author. I assume they came from book share, right?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 5, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 Yes, please write Winston.
 I've been corresponding with him about the issue of sorting by author. He 
 seems to think that "new downloads" show the author. But I have 5 books I 
 downloaded last week that do not show the author.
 I think between version 4 of Voice Dream and whatever changes happened in 
 the API, authors got lost.
 The more confirmation from users the better.
 Richard
 
 
 Sent from my iPod 6
 
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK then. I guess I will be writing to Winston. I have noticed that with 
> the change to the new set up, when you're going through a list of titles 
> from book share, those titles used to have the title and the author read 
> out. Now, it's just the title. So that might be why the search can't find 
> authors. If so, it's really a drag.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Mary! I have just tried like you to search by author and exactly the 
>> same happened to me. Must be another bug? Harry
>> 
>>> On 5 Apr 2016, at 16:23, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Before writing to Winston to see if this is by design, I thought I 
>>> would ask her if others are experiencing this as well. In voice dream, 
>>> latest version, if I try searching all items, I can do that with words, 
>>> and get titles which contain those words. However, I cannot find 
>>> authors whose work I know I have. I know the books are there. But if I 
>>> search on the authors last name, nothing shows up. I don't get "no 
>>> results". It just has my search text and the keyboard with the alphabet 
>>> still waiting, as though the search request never actually took. Very 
>>> strange. Can anyone duplicate this? Am I somehow missing a way to 
>>> change from title to author search? I certainly am not seeing anything 
>>> like that, except when searching in a given source, such as book share, 
>>> where you can search by title, author, ISBN, or full text.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[Christopher Chaltain]

You may be right, but make sure you didn't revert back to using the 
compact voice as part of the update.


On 05/04/16 21:45, Eva Abbas wrote:

Hello listers,

I just want to add that Samantha's voice in voiceover became  ugly
in this new update.  It sounded more human in the previous update.  It
sounds more computerized in the IOS 9.3.  Ugly!



God bless
Eva
ga...@rogers.com
Your life is God's gift to you
The way you live it is your gift to God
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Re: Unable to search by author in voice dream all items list

[Richard Turner]

I guess I'll have to download them again. I just downloaded it and several 
others last week and the author does not show up.
A tadbit frustrating, though not as bad as your situation.
Richard



(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK, I downloaded the eight, had my all items list set sort so that the  most 
> recent book add it would be at the top of the list, and there it is, with the 
> author listed. Just like the other ones I downloaded yesterday and today.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try downloading The Eight, by Katherine Neville.
>> Or, any book by Katherine Neville.
>> Or, A Man Called Ove by Fredrik Backman.
>> Let me know what you find for authors then.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod 6
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> I just checked the books I have recently downloaded, and all of them show 
>>> the author.  Also, I just tried an author search for the last name of an 
>>> author who wrote one of the books I downloaded since installing version 
>>> four. And what do you know? The book showed up? So I will report this to 
>>> Winston. But unfortunately I cannot corroborate your finding with your new 
>>> books not having the author. I assume they came from book share, right?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 5, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 Yes, please write Winston.
 I've been corresponding with him about the issue of sorting by author. He 
 seems to think that "new downloads" show the author. But I have 5 books I 
 downloaded last week that do not show the author.
 I think between version 4 of Voice Dream and whatever changes happened in 
 the API, authors got lost.
 The more confirmation from users the better.
 Richard
 
 
 Sent from my iPod 6
 
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK then. I guess I will be writing to Winston. I have noticed that with 
> the change to the new set up, when you're going through a list of titles 
> from book share, those titles used to have the title and the author read 
> out. Now, it's just the title. So that might be why the search can't find 
> authors. If so, it's really a drag.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Mary! I have just tried like you to search by author and exactly the 
>> same happened to me. Must be another bug? Harry
>> 
>>> On 5 Apr 2016, at 16:23, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Before writing to Winston to see if this is by design, I thought I 
>>> would ask her if others are experiencing this as well. In voice dream, 
>>> latest version, if I try searching all items, I can do that with words, 
>>> and get titles which contain those words. However, I cannot find 
>>> authors whose work I know I have. I know the books are there. But if I 
>>> search on the authors last name, nothing shows up. I don't get "no 
>>> results". It just has my search text and the keyboard with the alphabet 
>>> still waiting, as though the search request never actually took. Very 
>>> strange. Can anyone duplicate this? Am I somehow missing a way to 
>>> change from title to author search? I certainly am not seeing anything 
>>> like that, except when searching in a given source, such as book share, 
>>> where you can search by title, author, ISBN, or full text.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[Eva Abbas]

Hello listers,

   I just want to add that Samantha's voice in voiceover became  ugly in 
this new update.  It sounded more human in the previous update.  It sounds 
more computerized in the IOS 9.3.  Ugly!




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Re: Hidden iPhone features

[Victor Gouveia]

I think these are for visual people, since I don’t know the keystrokes for a 
great many of these tricks.

Especially the tapping on the tab ten times to empty the cache.

Anyone know how to do this without this keystroke?

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From: Pinky 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Hidden Iphone features

 

 

How many times have you seen posts on tech sites about “hidden iPhone features” 
and thought to yourself, these tricks aren’t really hidden at all. We’ve even 
had a few articles here on BGR with tips that were indeed unknown to most 
users, but the savvy iOS device owners out there were undoubtedly familiar with 
at least a few of them.

Well, in this piece we’re going to tell you about 25 hidden features that are 
really, truly hidden. As in, you could look through your iPhone from now until 
the end of time and you wouldn’t find any of these tricks unless you know what 
you’re looking for.

DON’T MISS: The math they don’t want you to see: iPhone carrier trade-ins are 
always a bad idea

In the past, many of the hidden tips we’ve seen on sites and even covered here 
are simply things that are buried in the Settings app in places people normally 
wouldn’t look. These are great things to know — plenty of people would make 
their camera flash blink with incoming messages if they knew that they could, 
for example — but they’re not really “hidden” or “secret,” per se.

Each of the tips that follow below, however, are completely hidden. There is no 
indication that these functions exist in iOS, and we guarantee that most users 
don’t know about them. In fact, we also guarantee that even the savviest iPhone 
owners among you will find at least one or two things you didn’t already know. 
In fact, ran this list past a friend who works at Apple and there were a few 
things that even he didn’t know.

Enjoy.

Redial: In the Phone app, press the green call button on the keypad screen to 
make the last dialed number appear.

Clear cache: Make your iPhone run faster by clearing out the cache in several 
of Apple’s apps using a secret trick. In the App Store, Podcasts, Music, Game 
Center and Phone apps, tap on any single tab icon at the bottom of the screen 
10 times in a row.

Make TouchID work faster: Save the same fingerprint multiple times as different 
entries and TouchID will work much faster. This is especially useful on older 
phones like the iPhone 6 and iPhone 5s.

Spotlight conversions: Remember when we told you how easy conversions are in 
our post on Google search tricks? It’s even easier for iPhone users — just open 
Spotlight and type something like “20 euros in GBP,” and it will instantly 
perform the conversion.

Spotlight math: Want to do a quick math problem? No need to open the Calculator 
app, just pull down to open Spotlight and type it right there.

Delete numbers in the Calculator: Speaking of the Calculator, you can delete 
single digits when you tap the wrong number by swiping left or right on the 
screen where the numbers appear.

Clear RAM to make your phone run faster: Hold down the power button until you 
see “Slide to power off,” then let go and hold down the home button until the 
screen goes blank and your home screen reappears.

Burst mode: Hold down the camera’s shutter button to shoot in burst mode.

Remote shutter: Use the volume up or down button on your headphones to snap a 
photo in the Camera app.

Turn the flashlight off: How many times have you turned your flashlight on and 
wished that you didn’t have to swipe open the Control Panel again to shut it 
off? We’ll save you a step: simply swipe up on the camera icon on your lock 
screen and the flashlight will turn off.

3D Touch while drawing: All of the drawing tools and the eraser are pressure 
sensitive in the Notes app.

Close multiple apps at once: Double-tap the home button to open the app 
switcher and you can use two, even three fingers to slide multiple apps closed 
with one swipe.

Recently closed tabs: Want to reread this article on your phone but you forgot 
what site you were reading it on in the first place? Simply tap and hold on the 
+ symbol in Safari on the tab carousel view to open a screen that lists all of 
your recently closed tabs.

Desktop version of a site: We all know you can request the desktop version of a 
mobile site in Safari but it’s easier to do than you think. Just hold down the 
reload button in the URL bar.

Peek at tabs: Not sure you want to open that tab in the Safari tab carousel? A 
3D Touch will let you Peek at it first.

Peek at bookmarks: Did you know you can use 3D Touch to Peek at bookmarks 
before you open them?

Edit reminders: 3D Touch an item in your Reminders app to edit the time or add 
a location.

View only unread emails: So you don’t practice “inbox zero” like I do but you 

Re: Question for voice dream reader users who lost your folders after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

You are probably right, Richard. I seem to remember though, that if I really 
closed voice dream, that is took it out of the app switcher, when I next opened 
it, it would open into "all items", rather then the last open folder. Maybe I'm 
wrong. In any case, it certainly is opening to whatever list was last active 
now. So if you don't remember what your last active folder was, and you are 
sending things to voice dream, say from a website or as was being discussed 
before from a PC iCloud Drive, I guess you will go hunting for that material 
until you find it in your folder system. The only difference seems to me to be 
that when you're putting these folders from iCloud to voice dream, it is not 
actually be open. You're just dumping things into the file system. I will be 
curious to see what the original poster says had been his previously used 
folder or list.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I assumed, and you know what happens when you assume, that the files would go 
> into whatever the last folder opened in Voice Dream was.
> Since, when you open Voice Dream again it defaults to the last folder opened.
> 
> Or, am I truly not understanding.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> Yes, you are right, except that in the case that was being discussed, stuff 
>> was being put in from an external device, a computer using iCloud. So how 
>> would you know which folder was open? If there is a way to know that, then I 
>> would agree.
>> Mary
>> PS I certainly did use the feature just as you described it when downloading 
>> books from with in the app.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Actually, if you have a folder open, new files should go into that folder. 
>>> That was by design in 3.7, and according to my brief test, is still the 
>>> case in 4.
>>> So, if I know I'm downloading a fiction book, I open the fiction folder 
>>> first, then download the book. That way I don't have to move it later.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>> 
 On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Interesting about your uploads. By any chance, was the folder into which 
 those files were uploaded the one that had focus when you open voice 
 dream? I don't think that should matter. But what do I know?
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Nicola Sanders  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Yes, I went ahead and re-created my folders. It wasn't such a big risk 
> for me, as almost all my items were showing up in the No Folder list and 
> my library isn't very large. It seems to have worked fine, as far as I 
> can tell. 
> 
> Today I uploaded some documents into my library using iCloud Drive on the 
> PC. This worked well and was very convenient, but the new files showed up 
> in one of the folders that I had created, whereas I would have expected 
> them to be in the No Folder list. I will need to test this further before 
> writing to Winston.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Nicky
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 6 Apr 2016, at 01:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Have any of you re-created your folder systems? I just wonder, because 
>> I'm sort of afraid to do it, knowing that somehow somewhere, the system 
>> still must think I have folders, since my "no folder" list is a far 
>> smaller than my "all items" list it will be a royal pain in the you know 
>> what to re-create this deal. But doing it twice will really be 
>> unacceptable. I'm already kind of disgusted that we lost our book share 
>> authors in the upgrade. It seems like that is something that Winston 
>> could have checked for before releasing the product. But what's done is 
>> done I suppose.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

[Christopher Chaltain]

This allows you to toggle on and off voiceOver's speaking of hints. For 
example, it was just discussed on this list that some people don't like 
hints enabled all of the time, but they do when they're in the in box of 
the Mail app, since turning on hints will have VoiceOver read the email 
preview for each message. If they put Hints in the roter then they can 
quickly toggle on and off this feature.


On 05/04/16 19:36, Jewel wrote:

One thing that I find keeps being enabled and disabled is "hints.  Now, I know 
what * hints are in
the general run of things, but what does it mean when on the rotor?

 Jewel
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Hi I am going to unsubscribe from Netflix and Hulu, but I did it  through 
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RE: Facebook artificial intelligence for photos

[Cristóbal]

Hit or miss so far.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 5:13 PM
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Subject: Facebook artificial intelligence for photos

 

I’ve been reading that Facebook’s artificial intelligence for pictures is 
enabled today when using the app on iOS in English. This is so visually 
impaired or blind users can identify what objects might be in pictures on 
Facebook. Has anyone gotten this to work? I am hearing no difference thus far. 
Here is the link where you can read more about this: 
http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2016/04/using-artificial-intelligence-to-help-blind-people-see-facebook/

 

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Re: Facebook artificial intelligence for photos

[cmohney1961]

I think what we need to keep in mind is this project is still in its infancy.  
It may not be all people expect but give them time.  At least they are 
attempting to include us.  With updates of face book they may add more 
improvements.
Connie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> I found it on my phone tonight. It wasn’t there this morning. If someone 
> takes a picture of a landscape it can work nicely. If, however the picture is 
> of 3 people it doesn’t work as well. It just tells you there are 3 people in 
> the picture. It doesn’t differentiate, say the blond from the brunette from 
> the redhead. It also doesn’t tell you if the people are male or female. There 
> were some pictures where it said the app wasn’t available. For instance my 
> brother took pictures of his bathroom remodeling and it wasn’t available. 
> When folks on the east coast of the US took pictures of our snow in April it 
> did describe the picture adequately. It’s a good first step but it has its 
> limitations.
> 
> Marie Lyonsble
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:28 PM, Grant  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> I know it has been rolling out slowly but the news release today suggested 
>> it was now available to everyone. In any case, I certainly see your points 
>> and believe they are valid. Still I’m glad this is something that’s on 
>> Facebook’s radar and I love to see the step forward. I certainly agree that 
>> OCR on text would be a great next step and would help in cases where people 
>> take pictures of recipes and all manner of other text that we don’t have 
>> access to.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I have been seeing this for at least a month, if not more. And it 
>>> works, such as it is. It will tell you how many people are in the picture, 
>>> or if it is outdoors, or, for instance, if it is food, as you might get on 
>>> a cooking message board. I know many people are very excited about this, 
>>> but frankly, I don't see where it is very useful at this stage of the game. 
>>> It does not do OCR on the text which is a major portion of so many photos. 
>>> And of course, it can't actually describe pictures or cartoons. So the 
>>> notion that this is going to help you participate in the discussion about 
>>> the photo is frankly absurd.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Grant  wrote:
 
 I’ve been reading that Facebook’s artificial intelligence for pictures is 
 enabled today when using the app on iOS in English. This is so visually 
 impaired or blind users can identify what objects might be in pictures on 
 Facebook. Has anyone gotten this to work? I am hearing no difference thus 
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Re: Unable to search by author in voice dream all items list

[Richard Turner]

Try downloading The Eight, by Katherine Neville.
Or, any book by Katherine Neville.
Or, A Man Called Ove by Fredrik Backman.
Let me know what you find for authors then.
Richard


Sent from my iPod 6

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> I just checked the books I have recently downloaded, and all of them show the 
> author.  Also, I just tried an author search for the last name of an author 
> who wrote one of the books I downloaded since installing version four. And 
> what do you know? The book showed up? So I will report this to Winston. But 
> unfortunately I cannot corroborate your finding with your new books not 
> having the author. I assume they came from book share, right?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, please write Winston.
>> I've been corresponding with him about the issue of sorting by author. He 
>> seems to think that "new downloads" show the author. But I have 5 books I 
>> downloaded last week that do not show the author.
>> I think between version 4 of Voice Dream and whatever changes happened in 
>> the API, authors got lost.
>> The more confirmation from users the better.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod 6
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK then. I guess I will be writing to Winston. I have noticed that with the 
>>> change to the new set up, when you're going through a list of titles from 
>>> book share, those titles used to have the title and the author read out. 
>>> Now, it's just the title. So that might be why the search can't find 
>>> authors. If so, it's really a drag.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
 
 Hi, Mary! I have just tried like you to search by author and exactly the 
 same happened to me. Must be another bug? Harry
 
> On 5 Apr 2016, at 16:23, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Before writing to Winston to see if this is by design, I thought I would 
> ask her if others are experiencing this as well. In voice dream, latest 
> version, if I try searching all items, I can do that with words, and get 
> titles which contain those words. However, I cannot find authors whose 
> work I know I have. I know the books are there. But if I search on the 
> authors last name, nothing shows up. I don't get "no results". It just 
> has my search text and the keyboard with the alphabet still waiting, as 
> though the search request never actually took. Very strange. Can anyone 
> duplicate this? Am I somehow missing a way to change from title to author 
> search? I certainly am not seeing anything like that, except when 
> searching in a given source, such as book share, where you can search by 
> title, author, ISBN, or full text.
> Mary
> 
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Re: Question for voice dream reader users who lost your folders after upgrade

[Richard Turner]

I assumed, and you know what happens when you assume, that the files would go 
into whatever the last folder opened in Voice Dream was.
Since, when you open Voice Dream again it defaults to the last folder opened.

Or, am I truly not understanding.
Richard



(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> Yes, you are right, except that in the case that was being discussed, stuff 
> was being put in from an external device, a computer using iCloud. So how 
> would you know which folder was open? If there is a way to know that, then I 
> would agree.
> Mary
> PS I certainly did use the feature just as you described it when downloading 
> books from with in the app.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, if you have a folder open, new files should go into that folder. 
>> That was by design in 3.7, and according to my brief test, is still the case 
>> in 4.
>> So, if I know I'm downloading a fiction book, I open the fiction folder 
>> first, then download the book. That way I don't have to move it later.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting about your uploads. By any chance, was the folder into which 
>>> those files were uploaded the one that had focus when you open voice dream? 
>>> I don't think that should matter. But what do I know?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Nicola Sanders  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Mary,
 
 Yes, I went ahead and re-created my folders. It wasn't such a big risk for 
 me, as almost all my items were showing up in the No Folder list and my 
 library isn't very large. It seems to have worked fine, as far as I can 
 tell. 
 
 Today I uploaded some documents into my library using iCloud Drive on the 
 PC. This worked well and was very convenient, but the new files showed up 
 in one of the folders that I had created, whereas I would have expected 
 them to be in the No Folder list. I will need to test this further before 
 writing to Winston.
 
 Best,
 
 Nicky
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 6 Apr 2016, at 01:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Have any of you re-created your folder systems? I just wonder, because 
> I'm sort of afraid to do it, knowing that somehow somewhere, the system 
> still must think I have folders, since my "no folder" list is a far 
> smaller than my "all items" list it will be a royal pain in the you know 
> what to re-create this deal. But doing it twice will really be 
> unacceptable. I'm already kind of disgusted that we lost our book share 
> authors in the upgrade. It seems like that is something that Winston 
> could have checked for before releasing the product. But what's done is 
> done I suppose.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Facebook artificial intelligence for photos

[Marie Lyons]

I found it on my phone tonight. It wasn’t there this morning. If someone takes 
a picture of a landscape it can work nicely. If, however the picture is of 3 
people it doesn’t work as well. It just tells you there are 3 people in the 
picture. It doesn’t differentiate, say the blond from the brunette from the 
redhead. It also doesn’t tell you if the people are male or female. There were 
some pictures where it said the app wasn’t available. For instance my brother 
took pictures of his bathroom remodeling and it wasn’t available. When folks on 
the east coast of the US took pictures of our snow in April it did describe the 
picture adequately. It’s a good first step but it has its limitations.

Marie Lyonsble
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:28 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I know it has been rolling out slowly but the news release today suggested it 
> was now available to everyone. In any case, I certainly see your points and 
> believe they are valid. Still I’m glad this is something that’s on Facebook’s 
> radar and I love to see the step forward. I certainly agree that OCR on text 
> would be a great next step and would help in cases where people take pictures 
> of recipes and all manner of other text that we don’t have access to.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I have been seeing this for at least a month, if not more. And it 
>> works, such as it is. It will tell you how many people are in the picture, 
>> or if it is outdoors, or, for instance, if it is food, as you might get on a 
>> cooking message board. I know many people are very excited about this, but 
>> frankly, I don't see where it is very useful at this stage of the game. It 
>> does not do OCR on the text which is a major portion of so many photos. And 
>> of course, it can't actually describe pictures or cartoons. So the notion 
>> that this is going to help you participate in the discussion about the photo 
>> is frankly absurd.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Grant > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve been reading that Facebook’s artificial intelligence for pictures is 
>>> enabled today when using the app on iOS in English. This is so visually 
>>> impaired or blind users can identify what objects might be in pictures on 
>>> Facebook. Has anyone gotten this to work? I am hearing no difference thus 
>>> far. Here is the link where you can read more about this: 
>>> http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2016/04/using-artificial-intelligence-to-help-blind-people-see-facebook/
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Grant
>>> 
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Re: Editting text messages sent via Siri: HELP pleaset

[Jewel]

Thanks for that info re altering Siri's speech speed.  I have not hadany reason 
to check to see 
whether adjusting the speed for voice over had any affect on Siri.  I have 
brought the vo speed down 
from 50% to 47, and it does not sound all that funereal and has made it a lot 
easier to make out 
what Karin is saying.

   Jewel

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From: "rajmund" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:08 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Editting text messages sent via Siri:  HELP  please

hi,
No, you can't adjust the Siri speed, unfortunately.  I'd throw it
right up.

Sent from a BrailleNote

 - Original Message -
From: Deidre Muccio 
wrote:



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 my use of the iPhone is pretty limmited, but I am, gradually,
very
 gradually, adding new, I hesitate to say * skills, but new
somethings to my repertoire.
 An American friend of mine, no doubt in an attempt to force me
into deep and dangerous waters:
 "some people choose their friends, while others have them thrust
upon them!" has taken to texting me
 and here we come to the reason for my request for help.
 Yesterday morning, I received such and started by attempting to
send a reply by using the typing
 keyboard.  which I aborted as it was going to hell in a hand
basket, and then I started another one
 by dictating to Siri, but he cut me off after I had uttered only
a few words.
 However,  I then emailed my friend, who, by the way, is one that
I chose, not one that was thrust
 upon me, about the aborted typed text in which I said that I
couldn't get rid of the wretched thing
 and voice over just kept say "done button--done button--done
button:  done--done--done--done--done
 button--done button", and then it reads the bit of the text that
I had written, but if there is a
 delete or done button anywhere on the screen, it is making a
darned good job of hiding.
 I have, briefly, located "actions available" but before I have a
chance to take advantage of what it
 offers, it has vanished, not to be spotted again for days.
  Staying with messages sent via Siri:  Is there any way of
editting a message sent in this way?
 For instance, in the second message I sent to this anonymous
yank cobber, I said that I was sending
 the message by way of Siri, and though it was not * too
wonderful,  it was a lot better than my
 first effort.
 I knew from the way Siri read it back that he had it written as
t o, not  t o o wonderful!
 I sent a spoken message to Ken, another chosen friend, this time
a genuine Kiwi bloke,  telling him
 that I hadn't won a single brass razoo on Lotto and I started
it: Hi Ken!  but I am sure that Siri
 wrote Hi Kim!
 With this latest rash of upgrades, is it possible to set Siri,
specifically,  to read messages a
 little bit slower?  It can be very difficult to hear what he is
saying as he gabbles his way through
 the message:  I don't have speech speed set at anything like
the rate that some people do:  I have
 mine at around 50%.  Any slower than that, and it is reminiscent
of a funeral dirge, and is not all
 that enjoyable to listen to.
 Jewel


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Re: Question for voice dream reader users who lost your folders after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

Hi Richard,
Yes, you are right, except that in the case that was being discussed, stuff was 
being put in from an external device, a computer using iCloud. So how would you 
know which folder was open? If there is a way to know that, then I would agree.
Mary
PS I certainly did use the feature just as you described it when downloading 
books from with in the app.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Actually, if you have a folder open, new files should go into that folder. 
> That was by design in 3.7, and according to my brief test, is still the case 
> in 4.
> So, if I know I'm downloading a fiction book, I open the fiction folder 
> first, then download the book. That way I don't have to move it later.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting about your uploads. By any chance, was the folder into which 
>> those files were uploaded the one that had focus when you open voice dream? 
>> I don't think that should matter. But what do I know?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Nicola Sanders  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I went ahead and re-created my folders. It wasn't such a big risk for 
>>> me, as almost all my items were showing up in the No Folder list and my 
>>> library isn't very large. It seems to have worked fine, as far as I can 
>>> tell. 
>>> 
>>> Today I uploaded some documents into my library using iCloud Drive on the 
>>> PC. This worked well and was very convenient, but the new files showed up 
>>> in one of the folders that I had created, whereas I would have expected 
>>> them to be in the No Folder list. I will need to test this further before 
>>> writing to Winston.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Nicky
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 6 Apr 2016, at 01:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Have any of you re-created your folder systems? I just wonder, because I'm 
 sort of afraid to do it, knowing that somehow somewhere, the system still 
 must think I have folders, since my "no folder" list is a far smaller than 
 my "all items" list it will be a royal pain in the you know what to 
 re-create this deal. But doing it twice will really be unacceptable. I'm 
 already kind of disgusted that we lost our book share authors in the 
 upgrade. It seems like that is something that Winston could have checked 
 for before releasing the product. But what's done is done I suppose.
 Mary
 
 
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Re: Question for voice dream reader users who lost your folders after upgrade

[Richard Turner]

Actually, if you have a folder open, new files should go into that folder. That 
was by design in 3.7, and according to my brief test, is still the case in 4.
So, if I know I'm downloading a fiction book, I open the fiction folder first, 
then download the book. That way I don't have to move it later.
Richard



(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Interesting about your uploads. By any chance, was the folder into which 
> those files were uploaded the one that had focus when you open voice dream? I 
> don't think that should matter. But what do I know?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Nicola Sanders  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Yes, I went ahead and re-created my folders. It wasn't such a big risk for 
>> me, as almost all my items were showing up in the No Folder list and my 
>> library isn't very large. It seems to have worked fine, as far as I can 
>> tell. 
>> 
>> Today I uploaded some documents into my library using iCloud Drive on the 
>> PC. This worked well and was very convenient, but the new files showed up in 
>> one of the folders that I had created, whereas I would have expected them to 
>> be in the No Folder list. I will need to test this further before writing to 
>> Winston.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Nicky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 6 Apr 2016, at 01:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have any of you re-created your folder systems? I just wonder, because I'm 
>>> sort of afraid to do it, knowing that somehow somewhere, the system still 
>>> must think I have folders, since my "no folder" list is a far smaller than 
>>> my "all items" list it will be a royal pain in the you know what to 
>>> re-create this deal. But doing it twice will really be unacceptable. I'm 
>>> already kind of disgusted that we lost our book share authors in the 
>>> upgrade. It seems like that is something that Winston could have checked 
>>> for before releasing the product. But what's done is done I suppose.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Facebook artificial intelligence for photos

[Mary Otten]

Yes, it is a step. I wish it would be treated as such. I am so tired of hearing 
people fall all over themselves as though a miracle just occurred, when this is 
really just a step. It is a good step, but only if Moore efforts are made. 
That's all I am saying. At this point, it doesn't do much.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary.
> I see your points as well, but it's a step.  Hopefully... as was said
> before... they will continue to improve this feature.  (smile)
> Jen
> 
>> On 4/5/16, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Well, I have been seeing this for at least a month, if not more. And it
>> works, such as it is. It will tell you how many people are in the picture,
>> or if it is outdoors, or, for instance, if it is food, as you might get on a
>> cooking message board. I know many people are very excited about this, but
>> frankly, I don't see where it is very useful at this stage of the game. It
>> does not do OCR on the text which is a major portion of so many photos. And
>> of course, it can't actually describe pictures or cartoons. So the notion
>> that this is going to help you participate in the discussion about the photo
>> is frankly absurd.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Grant  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve been reading that Facebook’s artificial intelligence for pictures is
>>> enabled today when using the app on iOS in English. This is so visually
>>> impaired or blind users can identify what objects might be in pictures on
>>> Facebook. Has anyone gotten this to work? I am hearing no difference thus
>>> far. Here is the link where you can read more about this:
>>> http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2016/04/using-artificial-intelligence-to-help-blind-people-see-facebook/
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Grant
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Re: Editting text messages sent via Siri: HELP pleaset

[Jewel]

Sieghard!  I am, moderately, au fait with dictating a
message of which I am in control, but your tips on editting will come in very 
handy as I did not, 
really, know how to do that.
I was experimenting with using Siri as a  go-between, but I have only done it a 
couple of times so I 
will keep practising, an, no doubt, lose the few friends that I have!  HAA HAA!

Jewel

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To: 
Subject: RE: Editting text messages sent via Siri:  HELP  pleaset

Hi Jewel,

You may want to just try and use dictation in Messages instead of telling SIRI 
to send a message to 
somebody followed by the message text. I only do that if it's pretty short, if 
it's longer I just 
open Messages, tap on Compose, find the person I want to text and then put 
focus into the message 
field. Now you can use the 2-finger double tap to start and stop dictation and 
you can dictate in 
smaller portions of text or maybe sentence by sentence etc. Then of course when 
you are done you are 
in that text message field and you can turn the rotor to words or characters 
and move around to 
edit. If you, for example, think it said "Hello Kim" instead of "Hello Ken", 
you can double tap to 
move the insertion point to the start, then with the rotor set to characters 
swipe down until you 
are across "Hello" and then make sure it says "Ken" and not "Kim". If it is 
"Kim" you can put the 
cursor on the "m" of "Kim", tap delete twice to get rid of the "m" and "I" and 
then type "e" and 
"n".
The fact is that editing on an iOS device with Voiceover and probably even for 
sighted people 
without Voiceover, is a bit of a pain in the neck, it's absolutely not as quick 
and efficient as 
editing on a computer with a screenreader like Jaws, but it can be done.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Jewel
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Editting text messages sent via Siri: HELP pleaset



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my use of the iPhone is pretty limmited, but I am, gradually, very gradually, 
adding new, I hesitate 
to say * skills, but new somethings to my repertoire.
An American friend of mine, no doubt in an attempt to force me into deep and 
dangerous waters:
"some people choose their friends, while others have them thrust upon them!" 
has taken to texting me 
and here we come to the reason for my request for help.
Yesterday morning, I received such and started by attempting to send a reply by 
using the typing 
keyboard.  which I aborted as it was going to hell in a hand basket, and then I 
started another one 
by dictating to Siri, but he cut me off after I had uttered only a few words.
However,  I then emailed my friend, who, by the way, is one that I chose, not 
one that was thrust 
upon me, about the aborted typed text in which I said that I couldn't get rid 
of the wretched thing 
and voice over just kept say "done button--done button--done button:  
done--done--done--done--done 
button--done button", and then it reads the bit of the text that I had written, 
but if there is a 
delete or done button anywhere on the screen, it is making a darned good job of 
hiding.
I have, briefly, located "actions available" but before I have a chance to take 
advantage of what it 
offers, it has vanished, not to be spotted again for days.
  Staying with messages sent via Siri:  Is there any way of editting a message 
sent in this way?
For instance, in the second message I sent to this anonymous yank cobber, I 
said that I was sending 
the message by way of Siri, and though it was not * too wonderful,  it was a 
lot better than my 
first effort.
I knew from the way Siri read it back that he had it written as  t o, not  t o 
o wonderful!
I sent a spoken message to Ken, another chosen friend, this time a genuine Kiwi 
bloke,  telling him 
that I hadn't won a single brass razoo on Lotto and I started it: Hi Ken!  but 
I am sure that Siri 
wrote Hi Kim!
With this latest rash of upgrades, is it possible to set Siri, specifically,  
to read messages a 
little bit slower?  It can be very difficult to hear what he is saying as he 
gabbles his way through 
the message:  I don't have speech speed set at anything like  the rate that 
some people do:  I have 
mine at around 50%.  Any slower than that, and it is reminiscent of a funeral 
dirge, and is not all 
that enjoyable to listen to.
Jewel


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Re: Facebook artificial intelligence for photos

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi Mary.
I see your points as well, but it's a step.  Hopefully... as was said
before... they will continue to improve this feature.  (smile)
Jen

On 4/5/16, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Well, I have been seeing this for at least a month, if not more. And it
> works, such as it is. It will tell you how many people are in the picture,
> or if it is outdoors, or, for instance, if it is food, as you might get on a
> cooking message board. I know many people are very excited about this, but
> frankly, I don't see where it is very useful at this stage of the game. It
> does not do OCR on the text which is a major portion of so many photos. And
> of course, it can't actually describe pictures or cartoons. So the notion
> that this is going to help you participate in the discussion about the photo
> is frankly absurd.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Grant  wrote:
>>
>> I’ve been reading that Facebook’s artificial intelligence for pictures is
>> enabled today when using the app on iOS in English. This is so visually
>> impaired or blind users can identify what objects might be in pictures on
>> Facebook. Has anyone gotten this to work? I am hearing no difference thus
>> far. Here is the link where you can read more about this:
>> http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2016/04/using-artificial-intelligence-to-help-blind-people-see-facebook/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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Re: Editting text messages sent via Siri: HELP pleast

[Jewel]

My word!  How were you able to persuade Siri to allow you to dictate a message 
of that length, and 
so fluently too!

 Jewel

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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 12:46 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Editting text messages sent via Siri:  HELP  pleaset

Jewel, the done button that you're hearing is what you get after your message 
has been sent. I think 
you're hearing it over and over and over again because either voiceover is 
quirky on your phone and 
or your swiping and that's what you're hearing because they're only like two 
things on the page 
after you sent your message. One I think is home which is at the top and then 
under that his help. I 
don't know what else appears on that page once you sent your message but don't 
worry about it maybe 
you're not hearing the swoosh sound or whatever sound you have set indicate the 
message is sent. I 
meant to write and yes I am dictating this and I have not mastered editing 
either, that at the top 
is the done button not the home button and under that I believe is a help 
button. That is after you 
have dictated a text message using Siri.

Deidre


> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Jewel  wrote:
>
>
>
> --
> my use of the iPhone is pretty limmited, but I am, gradually, very
> gradually, adding new, I hesitate to say * skills, but new somethings to my 
> repertoire.
> An American friend of mine, no doubt in an attempt to force me into deep and 
> dangerous waters:
> "some people choose their friends, while others have them thrust upon them!" 
> has taken to texting 
> me
> and here we come to the reason for my request for help.
> Yesterday morning, I received such and started by attempting to send a reply 
> by using the typing
> keyboard.  which I aborted as it was going to hell in a hand basket, and then 
> I started another 
> one
> by dictating to Siri, but he cut me off after I had uttered only a few words.
> However,  I then emailed my friend, who, by the way, is one that I chose, not 
> one that was thrust
> upon me, about the aborted typed text in which I said that I couldn't get rid 
> of the wretched 
> thing
> and voice over just kept say "done button--done button--done button:  
> done--done--done--done--done
> button--done button", and then it reads the bit of the text that I had 
> written, but if there is a
> delete or done button anywhere on the screen, it is making a darned good job 
> of hiding.
> I have, briefly, located "actions available" but before I have a chance to 
> take advantage of what 
> it
> offers, it has vanished, not to be spotted again for days.
>  Staying with messages sent via Siri:  Is there any way of editting a message 
> sent in this way?
> For instance, in the second message I sent to this anonymous yank cobber, I 
> said that I was 
> sending
> the message by way of Siri, and though it was not * too wonderful,  it was a 
> lot better than my
> first effort.
> I knew from the way Siri read it back that he had it written as  t o, not  t 
> o o wonderful!
> I sent a spoken message to Ken, another chosen friend, this time a genuine 
> Kiwi bloke,  telling 
> him
> that I hadn't won a single brass razoo on Lotto and I started it: Hi Ken!  
> but I am sure that Siri
> wrote Hi Kim!
> With this latest rash of upgrades, is it possible to set Siri, specifically,  
> to read messages a
> little bit slower?  It can be very difficult to hear what he is saying as he 
> gabbles his way 
> through
> the message:  I don't have speech speed set at anything like  the rate that 
> some people do:  I 
> have
> mine at around 50%.  Any slower than that, and it is reminiscent of a funeral 
> dirge, and is not 
> all
> that enjoyable to listen to.
> Jewel
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Re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[Eva Abbas]

Hello listers,

   Many thanks to each person who helped me with my problem.  Was very kind
of you nice folks.  To be honest with you, what I did was I went to the
store where I bought the iPhone and the technician there helped me.  I
figured I could not do it myself.
Thank you all once more



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Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

[Jewel]

One thing that I find keeps being enabled and disabled is "hints.  Now, I know 
what * hints are in 
the general run of things, but what does it mean when on the rotor?

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Re: Facebook artificial intelligence for photos

[Grant]

Hi Mary,

I know it has been rolling out slowly but the news release today suggested it 
was now available to everyone. In any case, I certainly see your points and 
believe they are valid. Still I’m glad this is something that’s on Facebook’s 
radar and I love to see the step forward. I certainly agree that OCR on text 
would be a great next step and would help in cases where people take pictures 
of recipes and all manner of other text that we don’t have access to.

Cheers,

Grant

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, I have been seeing this for at least a month, if not more. And it 
> works, such as it is. It will tell you how many people are in the picture, or 
> if it is outdoors, or, for instance, if it is food, as you might get on a 
> cooking message board. I know many people are very excited about this, but 
> frankly, I don't see where it is very useful at this stage of the game. It 
> does not do OCR on the text which is a major portion of so many photos. And 
> of course, it can't actually describe pictures or cartoons. So the notion 
> that this is going to help you participate in the discussion about the photo 
> is frankly absurd.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Grant  > wrote:
> 
>> I’ve been reading that Facebook’s artificial intelligence for pictures is 
>> enabled today when using the app on iOS in English. This is so visually 
>> impaired or blind users can identify what objects might be in pictures on 
>> Facebook. Has anyone gotten this to work? I am hearing no difference thus 
>> far. Here is the link where you can read more about this: 
>> http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2016/04/using-artificial-intelligence-to-help-blind-people-see-facebook/
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Grant
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Re: Facebook artificial intelligence for photos

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Well, I have been seeing this for at least a month, if not more. And it works, 
such as it is. It will tell you how many people are in the picture, or if it is 
outdoors, or, for instance, if it is food, as you might get on a cooking 
message board. I know many people are very excited about this, but frankly, I 
don't see where it is very useful at this stage of the game. It does not do OCR 
on the text which is a major portion of so many photos. And of course, it can't 
actually describe pictures or cartoons. So the notion that this is going to 
help you participate in the discussion about the photo is frankly absurd.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been reading that Facebook’s artificial intelligence for pictures is 
> enabled today when using the app on iOS in English. This is so visually 
> impaired or blind users can identify what objects might be in pictures on 
> Facebook. Has anyone gotten this to work? I am hearing no difference thus 
> far. Here is the link where you can read more about this: 
> http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2016/04/using-artificial-intelligence-to-help-blind-people-see-facebook/
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> Cheers,
> 
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Facebook artificial intelligence for photos

[Grant]

I’ve been reading that Facebook’s artificial intelligence for pictures is 
enabled today when using the app on iOS in English. This is so visually 
impaired or blind users can identify what objects might be in pictures on 
Facebook. Has anyone gotten this to work? I am hearing no difference thus far. 
Here is the link where you can read more about this: 
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Cheers,

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emails stuck in my email app and don't know how to fix this issue

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hi I seem to have to email messages that have not downloaded completely to my 
email app so what I get is a bunch of messages which I can see and then I see 
updating just now to unread but the two unread are not there I had this happen 
once before and don't remember what I did to fix it if someone can help me 
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Re: Question for voice dream reader users who lost your folders after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

Interesting about your uploads. By any chance, was the folder into which those 
files were uploaded the one that had focus when you open voice dream? I don't 
think that should matter. But what do I know?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Nicola Sanders  wrote:
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> Hi Mary,
> 
> Yes, I went ahead and re-created my folders. It wasn't such a big risk for 
> me, as almost all my items were showing up in the No Folder list and my 
> library isn't very large. It seems to have worked fine, as far as I can tell. 
> 
> Today I uploaded some documents into my library using iCloud Drive on the PC. 
> This worked well and was very convenient, but the new files showed up in one 
> of the folders that I had created, whereas I would have expected them to be 
> in the No Folder list. I will need to test this further before writing to 
> Winston.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Nicky
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 6 Apr 2016, at 01:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Have any of you re-created your folder systems? I just wonder, because I'm 
>> sort of afraid to do it, knowing that somehow somewhere, the system still 
>> must think I have folders, since my "no folder" list is a far smaller than 
>> my "all items" list it will be a royal pain in the you know what to 
>> re-create this deal. But doing it twice will really be unacceptable. I'm 
>> already kind of disgusted that we lost our book share authors in the 
>> upgrade. It seems like that is something that Winston could have checked for 
>> before releasing the product. But what's done is done I suppose.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[Arnold Schmidt]

Another alternative:  when it says slide to set up, do a three-finger swipe 
left to right,while holding the phone in portrait orientation. I am going to 
try the double tap next time to see if it works for me.  It must not have 
worked for me at one time, causing me to try the three-finger swipe left to 
right to get into the setup mode. 

Arnold Schmidt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Eva Abbas 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 11:47 AM
  Subject: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess


  Hello listers,

  I hope everybody is doing well.  I have a problem and I need your help 
please.  My iPhone 5S suggested to me to update to 9.3.  I tapped to update.  
The screen was showing the apple with a little line probably indecating the 
update.  I left it for a couple of minutes and came back.  I found my screen 
locked.  I tried to unlock it, I found hellos in all kinds of languages and 
something told me to slide to set-up or something like that.  I slid my finger, 
nothing happened.  I am stuck there!  What do I do to see my apps again and 
choose what I want?
  Thanks for any help
  God bless
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Re: Question for voice dream reader users who lost your folders after upgrade

[Nicola Sanders]

Hi Mary,

Yes, I went ahead and re-created my folders. It wasn't such a big risk for me, 
as almost all my items were showing up in the No Folder list and my library 
isn't very large. It seems to have worked fine, as far as I can tell. 

Today I uploaded some documents into my library using iCloud Drive on the PC. 
This worked well and was very convenient, but the new files showed up in one of 
the folders that I had created, whereas I would have expected them to be in the 
No Folder list. I will need to test this further before writing to Winston.

Best,

Nicky



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> On 6 Apr 2016, at 01:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Have any of you re-created your folder systems? I just wonder, because I'm 
> sort of afraid to do it, knowing that somehow somewhere, the system still 
> must think I have folders, since my "no folder" list is a far smaller than my 
> "all items" list it will be a royal pain in the you know what to re-create 
> this deal. But doing it twice will really be unacceptable. I'm already kind 
> of disgusted that we lost our book share authors in the upgrade. It seems 
> like that is something that Winston could have checked for before releasing 
> the product. But what's done is done I suppose.
> Mary
> 
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Quick nav.

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi all.
I have a focus 14 that I use with my iPhone. Sometimes I need to enter my 
password or something using the iPhone's keyboard. I turn my display off to get 
the keyboard but sometimes it doesn't come up. Anyone know what I can do to fix 
this? 
Thanks in advance. 

Jenifer Barr
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RE: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Alan Lemly]

Excellent, Chuck. I'll just say that the Fleksy keyboard has too many things 
that can cause it to burp and hopefully they will continue to decrease with 
future upgrades. I'm glad you're having some success with it.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 5:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

 

Hi Alan, 

I finally figured out what my problem was. Some how I turned off direct touch 
typing, which I had to access with the rotor. 

I am typing this with Fleksy, and I am having a good bit of success.  

Chuck (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Chuck, 

 

I've experienced what you're describing with Fleksy just announcing keyboard 
and not registering any other key presses. Usually, a restart of my iPhone with 
the home and power buttons fixes this problem. I'll also say it seems to arise 
in apps not requiring much keyboard input other than an occasional search. 

 

You might try going into settings, general, keyboard and removing the Fleksy 
keyboard from the installed list. You don't actually have to uninstall the app 
from your device. I would then open the messages app and type a sample using 
the standard keyboard before turning Fleksy back on. 

 

I will say I'm trying to use the Fleksy keyboard in spacebar mode since my 
experience is that it seems better behaved in this mode. You also have access 
to the button immediately to the left of the spacebar that will enable you to 
switch back to the standard keyboard. 

 

I understand your frustration because the Fleksy keyboard seems unpredictable 
enough to make one unwilling to fool with it but progress is being made with 
VoiceOver with each subsequent upgrade. 

 

Only you can decide whether the benefit of using Fleksy outweighs the cost of 
its frustrations. 

 

Good luck with your decision. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 5, 2016, at 1:46 AM, Chuck Dean  wrote:

I was having some success with fleksy this afternoon when the keyboard  totally 
locked up. Now when I touch any key all it says is keyboard, and doesn't do 
anything. Which also means that there is no way to get out of the keyboard, the 
two finger swipe up and swipe down does nothing. The only way to get out of the 
keyboard is to delete it from the phone. I have restarted the phone, reinstall 
Fleksy, turned off and turned on voiceover, nothing works. It is totally locked 
up, totally useless.

 

 

I am however glad that you are having success with it. I used to love Fleksy VO 
when it   work, it was fantastic.

Chuck (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

I shouldn’t bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous vote of 
the blind community is that it is useless and those who think differently get 
flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized. There are 3 different 
sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from the settings. When one’s new 
to the keyboard i’d recommend the largest size.

/Krister

 

5 apr. 2016 kl. 01:34 skrev Alan Lemly :

 

Chuck,

 

I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it. I'm trying to make 
myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like they say, practice makes 
perfect, or in this case, practice does give you better results.

 

After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up and you'll 
be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and let you copy it for 
pasting to the app of your choice.

 

You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of with the 
spacebar present. This will present the keyboard more like the original Fleksy 
app. You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger swipe down 
in the keyboard area. A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal Fleksy keyboard 
will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.

 

Good luck.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

 

 Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job! 

 

However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results. It's first 
prediction is wrong about 99% of the time. Second or third prediction is 
usually the correct one.

 

I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember that it does 
have a learning future with in it. It is technically faster than the  iOS 
keyboard, but it is very frustrating! 

 

By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing with it. It 
got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the options no longer work. 
Although 

Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Casey]

Hi I have this on my phone as well.
And I went to open it.
And it says install flexible button.
So I hit on that button and then it brings up something delaing with the 
keyboards.
So I hit the back button and it takes me back to the install flexie 
button again.

So how do I get this up and working.



On 4/5/2016 5:13 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:

Hi Alan,
I finally figured out what my problem was. Some how I turned off direct
touch typing, which I had to access with the rotor.
I am typing this with Fleksy, and I am having a good bit of success. 

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Alan Lemly > wrote:


Chuck,

I've experienced what you're describing with Fleksy just announcing
keyboard and not registering any other key presses. Usually, a restart
of my iPhone with the home and power buttons fixes this problem. I'll
also say it seems to arise in apps not requiring much keyboard input
other than an occasional search.

You might try going into settings, general, keyboard and removing the
Fleksy keyboard from the installed list. You don't actually have to
uninstall the app from your device. I would then open the messages app
and type a sample using the standard keyboard before turning Fleksy
back on.

I will say I'm trying to use the Fleksy keyboard in spacebar mode
since my experience is that it seems better behaved in this mode. You
also have access to the button immediately to the left of the spacebar
that will enable you to switch back to the standard keyboard.

I understand your frustration because the Fleksy keyboard seems
unpredictable enough to make one unwilling to fool with it but
progress is being made with VoiceOver with each subsequent upgrade.

Only you can decide whether the benefit of using Fleksy outweighs the
cost of its frustrations.

Good luck with your decision.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2016, at 1:46 AM, Chuck Dean > wrote:


I was having some success with fleksy this afternoon when the
keyboard  totally locked up. Now when I touch any key all it says is
keyboard, and doesn't do anything. Which also means that there is no
way to get out of the keyboard, the two finger swipe up and swipe
down does nothing. The only way to get out of the keyboard is to
delete it from the phone. I have restarted the phone, reinstall
Fleksy, turned off and turned on voiceover, nothing works. It is
totally locked up, totally useless.


I am however glad that you are having success with it. I used to love
Fleksy VO when it   work, it was fantastic.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Krister Ekstrom
> wrote:


I shouldn’t bother to give any help on this topic since the
unanymous vote of the blind community is that it is useless and
those who think differently get flogged, but here goes: The keyboard
can be resized. There are 3 different sizes of the keyboard and you
can select size from the settings. When one’s new to the keyboard
i’d recommend the largest size.
/Krister


5 apr. 2016 kl. 01:34 skrev Alan Lemly >:

Chuck,
I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it. I'm
trying to make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like
they say, practice makes perfect, or in this case, practice does
give you better results.
After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up
and you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and
let you copy it for pasting to the app of your choice.
You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of
with the spacebar present. This will present the keyboard more like
the original Fleksy app. You can switch from the spacebar keyboard
by doing a 2 finger swipe down in the keyboard area. A 2 finger
swipe up while in the minimal Fleksy keyboard will switch back to
the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.
Good luck.
Alan
*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of*Chuck Dean
*Sent:*Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
*To:*VIPhone
*Subject:*Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

 Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job!
However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results.
It's first prediction is wrong about 99% of the time. Second or
third prediction is usually the correct one.

I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember
that it does have a learning future with in it. It is technically
faster than the  iOS keyboard, but it is very frustrating!
By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing
with it. It got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the
options no longer work. Although messages and email still work.
But as I typed, no text was displayed.
Chuck
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Question for voice dream reader users who lost your folders after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

Have any of you re-created your folder systems? I just wonder, because I'm sort 
of afraid to do it, knowing that somehow somewhere, the system still must think 
I have folders, since my "no folder" list is a far smaller than my "all items" 
list it will be a royal pain in the you know what to re-create this deal. But 
doing it twice will really be unacceptable. I'm already kind of disgusted that 
we lost our book share authors in the upgrade. It seems like that is something 
that Winston could have checked for before releasing the product. But what's 
done is done I suppose.
Mary


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head to head blindsquare and sendero seeing eye gps

[Larry Lumpkin]

Hello.  I just made a comparison between sendero and blindsquare and
blindsquare came out head and shoulders ahead for my needs.  I brought up
sendero and got a breadcrumb to my dumpster entered and then routed to it.
I invoked the route and began walking with the screen locked and got not a
peep out of the app during the entire route.  I unlocked the screen and got
a little info but not much.  I felt much more supported using blindsquare.
I will gladly trade the lack of intersection analysis in blindsquare for its
much more supportive stance with the user.  If blindsquare could include
intersection analysis, I would consider it a truly great app.

 

 

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Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Chuck Dean]

Hi Alan, 
I finally figured out what my problem was. Some how I turned off direct touch 
typing, which I had to access with the rotor. 
I am typing this with Fleksy, and I am having a good bit of success.  

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Chuck, 
> 
> I've experienced what you're describing with Fleksy just announcing keyboard 
> and not registering any other key presses. Usually, a restart of my iPhone 
> with the home and power buttons fixes this problem. I'll also say it seems to 
> arise in apps not requiring much keyboard input other than an occasional 
> search. 
> 
> You might try going into settings, general, keyboard and removing the Fleksy 
> keyboard from the installed list. You don't actually have to uninstall the 
> app from your device. I would then open the messages app and type a sample 
> using the standard keyboard before turning Fleksy back on. 
> 
> I will say I'm trying to use the Fleksy keyboard in spacebar mode since my 
> experience is that it seems better behaved in this mode. You also have access 
> to the button immediately to the left of the spacebar that will enable you to 
> switch back to the standard keyboard. 
> 
> I understand your frustration because the Fleksy keyboard seems unpredictable 
> enough to make one unwilling to fool with it but progress is being made with 
> VoiceOver with each subsequent upgrade. 
> 
> Only you can decide whether the benefit of using Fleksy outweighs the cost of 
> its frustrations. 
> 
> Good luck with your decision. 
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 1:46 AM, Chuck Dean  wrote:
>> 
>> I was having some success with fleksy this afternoon when the keyboard  
>> totally locked up. Now when I touch any key all it says is keyboard, and 
>> doesn't do anything. Which also means that there is no way to get out of the 
>> keyboard, the two finger swipe up and swipe down does nothing. The only way 
>> to get out of the keyboard is to delete it from the phone. I have restarted 
>> the phone, reinstall Fleksy, turned off and turned on voiceover, nothing 
>> works. It is totally locked up, totally useless.
>> 
>> 
>> I am however glad that you are having success with it. I used to love Fleksy 
>> VO when it   work, it was fantastic.
>> 
>> Chuck (mobile)
>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I shouldn’t bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous vote 
>>> of the blind community is that it is useless and those who think 
>>> differently get flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized. There 
>>> are 3 different sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from the 
>>> settings. When one’s new to the keyboard i’d recommend the largest size.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 5 apr. 2016 kl. 01:34 skrev Alan Lemly :
 
 Chuck,
  
 I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it. I'm trying to 
 make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like they say, 
 practice makes perfect, or in this case, practice does give you better 
 results.
  
 After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up and 
 you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and let you 
 copy it for pasting to the app of your choice.
  
 You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of with 
 the spacebar present. This will present the keyboard more like the 
 original Fleksy app. You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by doing a 
 2 finger swipe down in the keyboard area. A 2 finger swipe up while in the 
 minimal Fleksy keyboard will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.
  
 Good luck.
  
 Alan
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
 To: VIPhone
 Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
  
>  Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job! 
  
> However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results. It's 
> first prediction is wrong about 99% of the time. Second or third 
> prediction is usually the correct one.
  
 I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember that it 
 does have a learning future with in it. It is technically faster than the  
 iOS keyboard, but it is very frustrating! 
  
 By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing with it. 
 It got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the options no longer 
 work. Although messages and email still work.
 But as I typed, no text was displayed.
 Chuck
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Re: Unable to search by author in voice dream all items list

[Mary Otten]

Hi Richard,
I just checked the books I have recently downloaded, and all of them show the 
author.  Also, I just tried an author search for the last name of an author who 
wrote one of the books I downloaded since installing version four. And what do 
you know? The book showed up? So I will report this to Winston. But 
unfortunately I cannot corroborate your finding with your new books not having 
the author. I assume they came from book share, right?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, please write Winston.
> I've been corresponding with him about the issue of sorting by author. He 
> seems to think that "new downloads" show the author. But I have 5 books I 
> downloaded last week that do not show the author.
> I think between version 4 of Voice Dream and whatever changes happened in the 
> API, authors got lost.
> The more confirmation from users the better.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPod 6
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> OK then. I guess I will be writing to Winston. I have noticed that with the 
>> change to the new set up, when you're going through a list of titles from 
>> book share, those titles used to have the title and the author read out. 
>> Now, it's just the title. So that might be why the search can't find 
>> authors. If so, it's really a drag.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Mary! I have just tried like you to search by author and exactly the 
>>> same happened to me. Must be another bug? Harry
>>> 
 On 5 Apr 2016, at 16:23, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Before writing to Winston to see if this is by design, I thought I would 
 ask her if others are experiencing this as well. In voice dream, latest 
 version, if I try searching all items, I can do that with words, and get 
 titles which contain those words. However, I cannot find authors whose 
 work I know I have. I know the books are there. But if I search on the 
 authors last name, nothing shows up. I don't get "no results". It just has 
 my search text and the keyboard with the alphabet still waiting, as though 
 the search request never actually took. Very strange. Can anyone duplicate 
 this? Am I somehow missing a way to change from title to author search? I 
 certainly am not seeing anything like that, except when searching in a 
 given source, such as book share, where you can search by title, author, 
 ISBN, or full text.
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Re: New phone-SE? queries

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Dave,

You can turn on the phone, wait a couple of minutes to be sure it's finished 
booting up, press Home once to unlock the phone, then press Home three times 
quickly to turn on VoiceOver. You can then follow the prompts and set up the 
phone. If you are new to iOS devices and need to enter a long password to use 
your Wi-Fi network, though, you will probably want to wait for sighted help, 
since typing is tricky at first. But if you have experience with iOS devices, 
you should be able to set up your phone independently.

Best,
Anna



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> the triple click home key for Voice over and do the rest of the set up 
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New phone-SE? queries

[Dave Mitchel]

I received my new SE today and I ‘m wondering if I can turn the phone on, do 
the triple click home key for Voice over and do the rest of the set up myself? 
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Re: Unable to search by author in voice dream all items list

[Richard Turner]

Yes, please write Winston.
I've been corresponding with him about the issue of sorting by author. He seems 
to think that "new downloads" show the author. But I have 5 books I downloaded 
last week that do not show the author.
I think between version 4 of Voice Dream and whatever changes happened in the 
API, authors got lost.
The more confirmation from users the better.
Richard


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> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> OK then. I guess I will be writing to Winston. I have noticed that with the 
> change to the new set up, when you're going through a list of titles from 
> book share, those titles used to have the title and the author read out. Now, 
> it's just the title. So that might be why the search can't find authors. If 
> so, it's really a drag.
> Mary
> 
> 
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>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Mary! I have just tried like you to search by author and exactly the 
>> same happened to me. Must be another bug? Harry
>> 
>>> On 5 Apr 2016, at 16:23, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Before writing to Winston to see if this is by design, I thought I would 
>>> ask her if others are experiencing this as well. In voice dream, latest 
>>> version, if I try searching all items, I can do that with words, and get 
>>> titles which contain those words. However, I cannot find authors whose work 
>>> I know I have. I know the books are there. But if I search on the authors 
>>> last name, nothing shows up. I don't get "no results". It just has my 
>>> search text and the keyboard with the alphabet still waiting, as though the 
>>> search request never actually took. Very strange. Can anyone duplicate 
>>> this? Am I somehow missing a way to change from title to author search? I 
>>> certainly am not seeing anything like that, except when searching in a 
>>> given source, such as book share, where you can search by title, author, 
>>> ISBN, or full text.
>>> Mary
>>> 
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Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

[Mary Otten]

I think the rotor does sometimes move from what you had selected, if what you 
selected is not available in the app that is now open. For instance, if you are 
in some sort of document that is not HTML, and thus does not have headings, the 
rotor would move off of headings to something else. Or if you had it on 
actions, as when in an email list and deleting things as you go, then you move 
into the text of the message, it's not going to be on actions anymore, since 
that doesn't apply and texts, where there are no actions. I don't believe this 
is new. Certainly not new with any recent update.
Mary


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> On Apr 5, 2016, at 10:17 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
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> I now notice that my rotor settings change at will, unless I don't remember 
> how it used to work. Does the rotor selection stay the same no matter what 
> application you are in until you change it manually? 
>For example, when in contacts if I put it on headings, then close out 
> contacts then go back it is no longer on headings but switches me back to 
> characters. I don't remember this being the case before updating. 
>I would hope the selection on the rotor that was last selected would stay 
> the same whether I am in Contacts, Net Flix or Music. 
>Speaking of the new bug with the rotor which Siegart detailed, is the 
> latest update beyond 9.3 creating more things like this, or happily quickly 
> resolving things like this.
>On a happy note I just got my DSL upgraded for a mere $1. This is after 
> over 7 hours of calls to my carrier in the last 2 weeks. It was determined 
> this morning that the line outside was damaged. And, even after all was 
> fixed, the technician said I was getting a slow connection speed and might 
> want to consider upgrading. When I called I was told I was at the fastest 
> speed possible for my area, which was miserably slow. The technician said 
> emphatically that it was not true, made a call, and a new report was filed 
> with the carrier. When I went back to upgrade, voila, they already had 
> changed their record and I was able to upgrade. This technician was the 
> friendliest ever. He pulled some strings that the person upgrading me was 
> amazed he was able to do near instantly. I'm only mentioning this because my 
> i phone has been getting slower and slower over time, and had I not 
> persisted, it would have been rendered useless.
>Isn't it just like all service experience, one person can solve a problem 
> which the next person doesn't even recognize.
> 
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Re: Quinton's play room

[Larry Smith]

Ok, I will give it a try. Thanks.
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Hi Larry. I haven't tried the Playroom web client on iOS but on the Mac if 
> you turn off quick nav you can access the options in the game. I guess that 
> could also apply for iOS if you use a bluetooth keyboard come to think of it.
> 
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>> Is anyone on the list accessing quinton’s play room using a Mac or IOS 
>> device? It’s a game room for blind and visually impaired persons. There is a 
>> stand alone client for windows. However, Mac and IOS users can access it 
>> through their web based client. I am trying to figure out how to navigate 
>> the screens, and I am hoping that there may be some VO shortcut options. If 
>> anyone have any info, feel free to email me off list. Let me apologize in 
>> advance if this is off topic.
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Re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

['Simon w' via VIPhone]

When you get that slide to set up message, Just double tap.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Eva Abbas  wrote:
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> Hello listers,
>  
> I hope everybody is doing well.  I have a problem and I need your help 
> please.  My iPhone 5S suggested to me to update to 9.3.  I tapped to update.  
> The screen was showing the apple with a little line probably indecating the 
> update.  I left it for a couple of minutes and came back.  I found my screen 
> locked.  I tried to unlock it, I found hellos in all kinds of languages and 
> something told me to slide to set-up or something like that.  I slid my 
> finger, nothing happened.  I am stuck there!  What do I do to see my apps 
> again and choose what I want?
> Thanks for any help
> God bless
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RE: Touch ID

[solaunmarissa2007]

So I do have a case that is made by speck and when doing the Touch ID the 
initial fingerprint is read fine. It's when I try to unlock
My iPhone 6 that the sensor doesn't always capture the fingerprint.

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Re: Quinton's play room

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Larry. I haven't tried the Playroom web client on iOS but on the Mac if you 
turn off quick nav you can access the options in the game. I guess that could 
also apply for iOS if you use a bluetooth keyboard come to think of it.

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> On Apr 5, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
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> Is anyone on the list accessing quinton’s play room using a Mac or IOS 
> device? It’s a game room for blind and visually impaired persons. There is a 
> stand alone client for windows. However, Mac and IOS users can access it 
> through their web based client. I am trying to figure out how to navigate the 
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> advance if this is off topic.
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Re: camera was: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
For me it’s not the taking of the picture that’s the issue, for me it’s not 
being able to see how the picture turns out and correcting things that need to 
be corrected in the view finder already, things like ”did i get a picture at 
all or is it just a blank space” and so on.
/Krister

> 5 apr. 2016 kl. 19:06 skrev englishride...@gmail.com:
> 
> Judy Dixon has written a book on taking pictures if you're blind called "get 
> the Picture.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:08 AM, rajmund  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Actually, interesting.  I've attempted to take pictures of my cat, and send 
>> it through an iMessage, if you point the camera at the right angle, you can 
>> achieve something.  But, as you say, who would want to do it? Certainly not 
>> me.  Still, the option is there.
>> 
>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Krister Ekstrom > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date sent: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:18:48 +0200
>> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
>> 
>> Hi I don't know if we should drift off into another topic, but let me just 
>> say that yes, it was me who had the problems with the camera, and this has 
>> to do with mindset just as much as the operation itself.  I just can't get 
>> into my thick head how blind folks want to and even take pictures knowing 
>> that there's no way in hell to check what the results of their attempts 
>> would be and i just don't want to embbarras myself with pictures that look 
>> like a blind person has taken them.  But that's me and it's also another 
>> thread or topic alltogether.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 5 apr.  2016 kl.  16:02 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
>> 
>> Hi Krister,
>> 
>> I am certainly not flogging you, in fact, I think it's awesome you are so 
>> proficient with Fleksy and I wish I could be, but it seems to be one of 
>> those situations where you just seem to have a particular skill/ability 
>> which allows you to use it and most others don't.  I seem to remember you 
>> once wrote you can't take good pictures with the iPhone.  I think that is 
>> something that can be learned also and I certainly have no problems doing so 
>> and getting great results with apps like KNFB Reader, Tap Tap See, Talking 
>> Goggles etc.  Sorry if it was a different thing you once stated you couldn't 
>> do if your life depended on it or if I am mixing you up with somebody else, 
>> but there just are some things that are easier for some than for others.  I 
>> typically have a pretty good spacial awareness of the screen and all that 
>> and I have tried everything you said and also read Alan's excellent tutorial 
>> yet still find Fleksy is just not working for me.  I sometimes hear Podcasts 
>> where people use Braille Input and it sounds like it works great and they 
>> are very fast with that.  I wish I could do that, but unfortunately the hand 
>> injuries I have when I blew myself up 30 some years ago make that 
>> impossible, I only have two fingers and the thumb on each hand so can't use 
>> braille input since you need at least three fingers.  So I'm stuck with the 
>> regular iOS keyboard and of course dictation which works quite well.  If I 
>> travel and only take my iPhone I usually bring a Bluetooth keyboard for 
>> situations where I may have to reply to an email and type quite a lot of 
>> text.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Krister Ekstrom
>> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 11:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
>> 
>> I shouldn't bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous vote 
>> of the blind community is that it is useless and those who think differently 
>> get flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized.  There are 3 
>> different sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from the settings.  
>> When one's new to the keyboard i'd recommend the largest size.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 5 apr.  2016 kl.  01:34 skrev Alan Lemly > >:
>> 
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it.  I'm trying to 
>> make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like they say, practice 
>> makes perfect, or in this case, practice does give you better results.
>> 
>> After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up and 
>> you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and let you copy 
>> it for pasting to the app of your choice.
>> 
>> You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of with the 
>> spacebar present.  This will present the keyboard more like the original 
>> Fleksy app.  You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger 
>> swipe down in the keyboard area.  A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal 

Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

[deidre muccio]

I now notice that my rotor settings change at will, unless I don't remember how 
it used to work. Does the rotor selection stay the same no matter what 
application you are in until you change it manually? 
For example, when in contacts if I put it on headings, then close out 
contacts then go back it is no longer on headings but switches me back to 
characters. I don't remember this being the case before updating. 
I would hope the selection on the rotor that was last selected would 
stay the same whether I am in Contacts, Net Flix or Music. 
Speaking of the new bug with the rotor which Siegart detailed, is the 
latest update beyond 9.3 creating more things like this, or happily quickly 
resolving things like this.
On a happy note I just got my DSL upgraded for a mere $1. This is after 
over 7 hours of calls to my carrier in the last 2 weeks. It was determined this 
morning that the line outside was damaged. And, even after all was fixed, the 
technician said I was getting a slow connection speed and might want to 
consider upgrading. When I called I was told I was at the fastest speed 
possible for my area, which was miserably slow. The technician said 
emphatically that it was not true, made a call, and a new report was filed with 
the carrier. When I went back to upgrade, voila, they already had changed their 
record and I was able to upgrade. This technician was the friendliest ever. He 
pulled some strings that the person upgrading me was amazed he was able to do 
near instantly. I'm only mentioning this because my i phone has been getting 
slower and slower over time, and had I not persisted, it would have been 
rendered useless.
Isn't it just like all service experience, one person can solve a 
problem which the next person doesn't even recognize.

Deidre

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Re: Touch ID

[rajmund]

Hi,
Woops! LOL! Embarrassment.  This is what happens, when you 
type, half asleep.  Please, don't! Do it.  Yes, I meant disagree.


Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: "Marie" 

Re: Touch ID

[Marie]

LOL I think you meant Disagree, please don't disappear. We would miss you.
Marie


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From: rajmund

Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 10:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Touch ID

hello,have to disappear, it works like a charm on the 5s. remember, use the 
same finger every ∫time:


Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 5 Apr 2016, at 4:00 am, Marissa Solaun  
wrote:


Has anyone noticed that Touch ID is very inconsistent? I had it configured
on my 6 until it would not recognize the fingerprint deleted and 
re-did

the fingerprints only to have it to the same thing "try again" I know that
fingerprints cannot be sweaty, dirty or anything of that sort or they will
be unreadable but it's very inconsistent at least in my case.

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Re: camera was: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[englishrider91]

Judy Dixon has written a book on taking pictures if you're blind called "get 
the Picture.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:08 AM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Actually, interesting.  I've attempted to take pictures of my cat, and send 
> it through an iMessage, if you point the camera at the right angle, you can 
> achieve something.  But, as you say, who would want to do it? Certainly not 
> me.  Still, the option is there.
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Krister Ekstrom  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:18:48 +0200
> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
> 
> Hi I don't know if we should drift off into another topic, but let me just 
> say that yes, it was me who had the problems with the camera, and this has to 
> do with mindset just as much as the operation itself.  I just can't get into 
> my thick head how blind folks want to and even take pictures knowing that 
> there's no way in hell to check what the results of their attempts would be 
> and i just don't want to embbarras myself with pictures that look like a 
> blind person has taken them.  But that's me and it's also another thread or 
> topic alltogether.
> /Krister
> 
> 5 apr.  2016 kl.  16:02 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I am certainly not flogging you, in fact, I think it's awesome you are so 
> proficient with Fleksy and I wish I could be, but it seems to be one of those 
> situations where you just seem to have a particular skill/ability which 
> allows you to use it and most others don't.  I seem to remember you once 
> wrote you can't take good pictures with the iPhone.  I think that is 
> something that can be learned also and I certainly have no problems doing so 
> and getting great results with apps like KNFB Reader, Tap Tap See, Talking 
> Goggles etc.  Sorry if it was a different thing you once stated you couldn't 
> do if your life depended on it or if I am mixing you up with somebody else, 
> but there just are some things that are easier for some than for others.  I 
> typically have a pretty good spacial awareness of the screen and all that and 
> I have tried everything you said and also read Alan's excellent tutorial yet 
> still find Fleksy is just not working for me.  I sometimes hear Podcasts 
> where people use Braille Input and it sounds like it works great and they are 
> very fast with that.  I wish I could do that, but unfortunately the hand 
> injuries I have when I blew myself up 30 some years ago make that impossible, 
> I only have two fingers and the thumb on each hand so can't use braille input 
> since you need at least three fingers.  So I'm stuck with the regular iOS 
> keyboard and of course dictation which works quite well.  If I travel and 
> only take my iPhone I usually bring a Bluetooth keyboard for situations where 
> I may have to reply to an email and type quite a lot of text.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 11:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
> 
> I shouldn't bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous vote of 
> the blind community is that it is useless and those who think differently get 
> flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized.  There are 3 different 
> sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from the settings.  When one's 
> new to the keyboard i'd recommend the largest size.
> /Krister
> 
> 5 apr.  2016 kl.  01:34 skrev Alan Lemly  >:
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it.  I'm trying to 
> make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like they say, practice 
> makes perfect, or in this case, practice does give you better results.
> 
> After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up and 
> you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and let you copy 
> it for pasting to the app of your choice.
> 
> You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of with the 
> spacebar present.  This will present the keyboard more like the original 
> Fleksy app.  You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger 
> swipe down in the keyboard area.  A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal 
> Fleksy keyboard will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Alan
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
> To: VIPhone
> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
> 
> Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job!
> 
> However, I 

Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

[englishrider91]

Whew! I finally have things exactly the way I want them on the rotor! Let's all 
hope I never have to do another settings reset! That was brutal! I thought 
these problems were user error, as well, like others did, but I took a break 
from things, and was still having problems when I came back to things, so 
realized it probably wasn't me. I've been using iOS since 2010 or 2011, so am 
pretty experienced. Anyway, I'm just glad that's over lol. Now time to contact 
Apple Accessibility.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:58 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, Sieghard, I agree with your observations all the way. I've noticed that 
> backing out when something looks like it's moved usually fixes things. I'm 
> not sure if that particular issue is a tracking issue with VO or if it 
> actually has moved, then fixes itself after getting a little mixed up. Also, 
> I agree with you about moving things a few spots at a time, and going very, 
> very slowly, as well as absolutely making sure you hear the little noise 
> confirming that something has indeed moved.
> 
> I'll definitely write an email to Apple Accessibility about these issues. 
> Thanks for taking the time to verify things for me, as well as help figure 
> out how to have things not be as nuts as they can be. I really appreciate it.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ari,
>> 
>> I've been reading this thread for a while shaking my head wondering what you 
>> all are talking about. But I thought before I send a message telling you 
>> it's all user error, I thought I move some rotor stuff around since I hadn't 
>> done it in a while. I started to select and deselect a few items and move 
>> them up and down and at first had no issues at all. Then suddenly I realized 
>> the problem you describe is starting to reproduce for me. I don't have 
>> things like Sounds and Audio Ducking selected and next thing I know they are 
>> selected and I am 100% sure I didn't tap them. I also had moved Vertical 
>> navigation and Headings and suddenly they were way down in the list again.
>> 
>> So yes, there seems to be a reproduceable bug here, I have an iPhone 6S Plus 
>> and I'll write a message to Apple Accessibility about this. I suggest you 
>> write to them as well since it is probably better than calling since that 
>> way they have a written record. You could of course call them and also 
>> write, but I would definitely not only call. I doubt there is a solution to 
>> this, it seems to be a random bug, so the more people try this and write to 
>> them about it the better.
>> 
>> One thing I would like to add is that at one point one of the items I had 
>> moved up suddenly appeared way further down again. At that point I backed 
>> out of the Rotor back to Voiceover settings, then I went back in and the 
>> item now was where I had put it. I don't know how to explain this, but if 
>> you do something and remember what you do when it suddenly seems something 
>> got randomly selected or deslected or moved and you then go back out of the 
>> rotor and in again, I think you may find all is well. If you are making lots 
>> of changes I think it's almost better to do two or three things, then back 
>> out and go back in and do your next two or three changes. It's an 
>> interesting bug, I can't exactly say it is driving me crazy since I was 
>> still able to select and deselect what I wanted and to move the items into 
>> the order I want, but it should of course be fixed. One thing I always 
>> noticed is that when you move something up or down you must make sure you do 
>> it slowly and hear the little plink sound. There are occasions when I am 
>> moving something and I don't hear it or I hear it a few times and then it 
>> stops and if that happens and I check where the item I am moving ended up 
>> it's usually all the way up at the top or bottom. Also, if you are moving 
>> something from way at the bottom to really high up on the list you can't do 
>> it all at once. It works much better to move it 4 or 5 spots up, then find 
>> it again, put your finger back towards the bottom of the screen and move it 
>> again and so on.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of englishride...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 6:02 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!
>> 
>> Reorganizing the items isn't the problem. I listen very carefully, and stop 
>> when the item I'm moving is where I want it. The trouble starts when things 
>> start randomly moving around on me, particularly an icon that I just moved a 
>> few seconds ago. Or something I moved a little bit ago will suddenly shift 
>> position, or things will randomly become unselected. I know how to organize 
>> the rotor, and things used to work 

Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

[englishrider91]

Yes, Sieghard, I agree with your observations all the way. I've noticed that 
backing out when something looks like it's moved usually fixes things. I'm not 
sure if that particular issue is a tracking issue with VO or if it actually has 
moved, then fixes itself after getting a little mixed up. Also, I agree with 
you about moving things a few spots at a time, and going very, very slowly, as 
well as absolutely making sure you hear the little noise confirming that 
something has indeed moved.

I'll definitely write an email to Apple Accessibility about these issues. 
Thanks for taking the time to verify things for me, as well as help figure out 
how to have things not be as nuts as they can be. I really appreciate it.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ari,
> 
> I've been reading this thread for a while shaking my head wondering what you 
> all are talking about. But I thought before I send a message telling you it's 
> all user error, I thought I move some rotor stuff around since I hadn't done 
> it in a while. I started to select and deselect a few items and move them up 
> and down and at first had no issues at all. Then suddenly I realized the 
> problem you describe is starting to reproduce for me. I don't have things 
> like Sounds and Audio Ducking selected and next thing I know they are 
> selected and I am 100% sure I didn't tap them. I also had moved Vertical 
> navigation and Headings and suddenly they were way down in the list again.
> 
> So yes, there seems to be a reproduceable bug here, I have an iPhone 6S Plus 
> and I'll write a message to Apple Accessibility about this. I suggest you 
> write to them as well since it is probably better than calling since that way 
> they have a written record. You could of course call them and also write, but 
> I would definitely not only call. I doubt there is a solution to this, it 
> seems to be a random bug, so the more people try this and write to them about 
> it the better.
> 
> One thing I would like to add is that at one point one of the items I had 
> moved up suddenly appeared way further down again. At that point I backed out 
> of the Rotor back to Voiceover settings, then I went back in and the item now 
> was where I had put it. I don't know how to explain this, but if you do 
> something and remember what you do when it suddenly seems something got 
> randomly selected or deslected or moved and you then go back out of the rotor 
> and in again, I think you may find all is well. If you are making lots of 
> changes I think it's almost better to do two or three things, then back out 
> and go back in and do your next two or three changes. It's an interesting 
> bug, I can't exactly say it is driving me crazy since I was still able to 
> select and deselect what I wanted and to move the items into the order I 
> want, but it should of course be fixed. One thing I always noticed is that 
> when you move something up or down you must make sure you do it slowly and 
> hear the little plink sound. There are occasions when I am moving something 
> and I don't hear it or I hear it a few times and then it stops and if that 
> happens and I check where the item I am moving ended up it's usually all the 
> way up at the top or bottom. Also, if you are moving something from way at 
> the bottom to really high up on the list you can't do it all at once. It 
> works much better to move it 4 or 5 spots up, then find it again, put your 
> finger back towards the bottom of the screen and move it again and so on.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> englishride...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 6:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!
> 
> Reorganizing the items isn't the problem. I listen very carefully, and stop 
> when the item I'm moving is where I want it. The trouble starts when things 
> start randomly moving around on me, particularly an icon that I just moved a 
> few seconds ago. Or something I moved a little bit ago will suddenly shift 
> position, or things will randomly become unselected. I know how to organize 
> the rotor, and things used to work beautifully. I haven't had to do this from 
> scratch in a very long time, so "i don't know when things started going 
> absolutely haywire like this, but it's frustrating me beyond belief! "apple 
> "accessibility is getting a call today. They really need to know about this 
> issue.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> "ari
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 5:49 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't seem to have any trouble. Under the name of each item selected is a 
>> button to change sort order. If you tap on it, it will tell you what to do 
>> such as hold on and move finger. So you would move up or down and it should 
>> tell you what you are crossing over. 

Re: Best word processor for iOS devices Able to write complete documents?

[Paul Hunt]

Hello. It's all a matter of choice. The native notes app is fine for short 
notes. So are Notepad and Text Edit. I've used them all. I prefer Word for all 
of my word processing.  

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 10:42 AM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> No attacks, please, but, notes.  A standard note pad.  No special microsoft 
> ID, nothing to install, its in there by default.
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Hunt  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 05:55:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: Best word processor for iOS devices   Able to write complete 
> documents?
> 
> Hello Trey.  I believe that Microsoft Word is the most accessible Word 
> Processor.  I use it for all of my note taking.  I take my notes at meetings 
> with my Brailliant BI 40 display.  When I get home my document is waiting for 
> me, no synchronization required.  It's free too.
> 
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:48 PM, trahern culver  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,   Please can somebody tell me what is currently the best accessible 
> wordprocessor   For writing complete documents on iOS devices?   Your help 
> with this question would be most welcome   Kind regards  trey
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Re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[rajmund]

Hello,
you'll have to explore by touch till you find it again.

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 5 Apr 2016, at 5:17 pm, Eva Abbas  wrote:
> 
> Hello Rajmund,
> 
>   Thank you for your reply.  I am not finding that anymore.  It says slide 
> down with three fingers for notification centre as usual.  I slide down three 
> fingers, nothing happens.  This is annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> God bless
> Eva
> ga...@rogers.com
> Your life is God's gift to you
> The way you live it is your gift to God
> -Original Message- From: rajmund
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess
> 
> Hi,
> Double tap on slide to set up.  Every time it says slide, just
> ignore that, and double tap.  Unless it says actions available,
> or something of the sort.
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eva Abbas"  To:  Date sent: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:47:27 -0400
> Subject: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess
> 
> Hello listers,
> 
>   I hope everybody is doing well.  I have a problem and I need
> your help please.  My iPhone 5S suggested to me to update to 9.3.
> I tapped to update..  The screen was showing the apple with a
> little line probably indecating the update.  I left it for a
> couple of minutes and came back.  I found my screen locked.  I
> tried to unlock it, I found hellos in all kinds of languages and
> something told me to slide to set-up or something like that.  I
> slid my finger, nothing happened.  I am stuck there!  What do I
> do to see my apps again and choose what I want?
> Thanks for any help
> God bless
> Eva
> ga...@rogers.com
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Re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[Jennie Facer]

Try touching  the bottom of the screen.
Jen

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> On Apr 5, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Eva Abbas  wrote:
> 
> Hello Rajmund,
> 
>   Thank you for your reply.  I am not finding that anymore.  It says slide 
> down with three fingers for notification centre as usual.  I slide down three 
> fingers, nothing happens.  This is annoying.
> 
> 
> 
> God bless
> Eva
> ga...@rogers.com
> Your life is God's gift to you
> The way you live it is your gift to God
> -Original Message- From: rajmund
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess
> 
> Hi,
> Double tap on slide to set up.  Every time it says slide, just
> ignore that, and double tap.  Unless it says actions available,
> or something of the sort.
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eva Abbas"  To:  Date sent: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:47:27 -0400
> Subject: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess
> 
> Hello listers,
> 
>   I hope everybody is doing well.  I have a problem and I need
> your help please.  My iPhone 5S suggested to me to update to 9.3.
> I tapped to update..  The screen was showing the apple with a
> little line probably indecating the update.  I left it for a
> couple of minutes and came back.  I found my screen locked.  I
> tried to unlock it, I found hellos in all kinds of languages and
> something told me to slide to set-up or something like that.  I
> slid my finger, nothing happened.  I am stuck there!  What do I
> do to see my apps again and choose what I want?
> Thanks for any help
> God bless
> Eva
> ga...@rogers.com
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Re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[Eva Abbas]

Hello Rajmund,

   Thank you for your reply.  I am not finding that anymore.  It says slide 
down with three fingers for notification centre as usual.  I slide down 
three fingers, nothing happens.  This is annoying.




God bless
Eva
ga...@rogers.com
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-Original Message- 
From: rajmund

Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

Hi,
Double tap on slide to set up.  Every time it says slide, just
ignore that, and double tap.  Unless it says actions available,
or something of the sort.

Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: "Eva Abbas" 

Re: Best word processor for iOS devices Able to write complete documents?

[Jennie Facer]

I like voice dream writer. It is very nice. I know somebody else has already 
recommended this.
Jen

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> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:48 PM, trahern culver  wrote:
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> Hi all,   Please can somebody tell me what is currently the best accessible 
> wordprocessor   For writing complete documents on iOS devices?   Your help 
> with this question would be most welcome   Kind regards  trey
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Re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[Jennie Facer]

Gh:,
Do a bouble tap where it says slide to set up. It doesn't matter if it says it 
in a different language. After the double tap, you can follow the instructions 
in English. 

Hope this hchlp!,

Jenn

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> Hello listers,
>  
> I hope everybody is doing well.  I have a problem and I need your help 
> please.  My iPhone 5S suggested to me to update to 9.3.  I tapped to update.  
> The screen was showing the apple with a little line probably indecating the 
> update.  I left it for a couple of minutes and came back.  I found my screen 
> locked.  I tried to unlock it, I found hellos in all kinds of languages and 
> something told me to slide to set-up or something like that.  I slid my 
> finger, nothing happened.  I am stuck there!  What do I do to see my apps 
> again and choose what I want?
> Thanks for any help
> God bless
> Eva
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Re: Editting text messages sent via Siri: HELP pleaset

[rajmund]

hi,
No, you can't adjust the Siri speed, unfortunately.  I'd throw it 
right up.


Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: Deidre Muccio  
wrote:




--
my use of the iPhone is pretty limmited, but I am, gradually, 
very
gradually, adding new, I hesitate to say * skills, but new 
somethings to my repertoire.
An American friend of mine, no doubt in an attempt to force me 
into deep and dangerous waters:
"some people choose their friends, while others have them thrust 
upon them!" has taken to texting me

and here we come to the reason for my request for help.
Yesterday morning, I received such and started by attempting to 
send a reply by using the typing
keyboard.  which I aborted as it was going to hell in a hand 
basket, and then I started another one
by dictating to Siri, but he cut me off after I had uttered only 
a few words.
However,  I then emailed my friend, who, by the way, is one that 
I chose, not one that was thrust
upon me, about the aborted typed text in which I said that I 
couldn't get rid of the wretched thing
and voice over just kept say "done button--done button--done 
button:  done--done--done--done--done
button--done button", and then it reads the bit of the text that 
I had written, but if there is a
delete or done button anywhere on the screen, it is making a 
darned good job of hiding.
I have, briefly, located "actions available" but before I have a 
chance to take advantage of what it

offers, it has vanished, not to be spotted again for days.
 Staying with messages sent via Siri:  Is there any way of 
editting a message sent in this way?
For instance, in the second message I sent to this anonymous 
yank cobber, I said that I was sending
the message by way of Siri, and though it was not * too 
wonderful,  it was a lot better than my

first effort.
I knew from the way Siri read it back that he had it written as  
t o, not  t o o wonderful!
I sent a spoken message to Ken, another chosen friend, this time 
a genuine Kiwi bloke,  telling him
that I hadn't won a single brass razoo on Lotto and I started 
it: Hi Ken!  but I am sure that Siri

wrote Hi Kim!
With this latest rash of upgrades, is it possible to set Siri, 
specifically,  to read messages a
little bit slower?  It can be very difficult to hear what he is 
saying as he gabbles his way through
the message:  I don't have speech speed set at anything like  
the rate that some people do:  I have
mine at around 50%.  Any slower than that, and it is reminiscent 
of a funeral dirge, and is not all

that enjoyable to listen to.
Jewel


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camera was: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[rajmund]

Hi,
Actually, interesting.  I've attempted to take pictures of my 
cat, and send it through an iMessage, if you point the camera at 
the right angle, you can achieve something.  But, as you say, who 
would want to do it? Certainly not me.  Still, the option is 
there.


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- Original Message -
From: Krister Ekstrom :


Hi Krister,

I am certainly not flogging you, in fact, I think it's awesome 
you are so proficient with Fleksy and I wish I could be, but it 
seems to be one of those situations where you just seem to have a 
particular skill/ability which allows you to use it and most 
others don't.  I seem to remember you once wrote you can't take 
good pictures with the iPhone.  I think that is something that 
can be learned also and I certainly have no problems doing so and 
getting great results with apps like KNFB Reader, Tap Tap See, 
Talking Goggles etc.  Sorry if it was a different thing you once 
stated you couldn't do if your life depended on it or if I am 
mixing you up with somebody else, but there just are some things 
that are easier for some than for others.  I typically have a 
pretty good spacial awareness of the screen and all that and I 
have tried everything you said and also read Alan's excellent 
tutorial yet still find Fleksy is just not working for me.  I 
sometimes hear Podcasts where people use Braille Input and it 
sounds like it works great and they are very fast with that.  I 
wish I could do that, but unfortunately the hand injuries I have 
when I blew myself up 30 some years ago make that impossible, I 
only have two fingers and the thumb on each hand so can't use 
braille input since you need at least three fingers.  So I'm 
stuck with the regular iOS keyboard and of course dictation which 
works quite well.  If I travel and only take my iPhone I usually 
bring a Bluetooth keyboard for situations where I may have to 
reply to an email and type quite a lot of text.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom

Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 11:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy 
keyboard?


I shouldn't bother to give any help on this topic since the 
unanymous vote of the blind community is that it is useless and 
those who think differently get flogged, but here goes: The 
keyboard can be resized.  There are 3 different sizes of the 
keyboard and you can select size from the settings.  When one's 
new to the keyboard i'd recommend the largest size.

/Krister

5 apr.  2016 kl.  01:34 skrev Alan Lemly >:


Chuck,

I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it.  
I'm trying to make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often 
since like they say, practice makes perfect, or in this case, 
practice does give you better results.


After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe 
up and you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your 
input and let you copy it for pasting to the app of your choice.


You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead 
of with the spacebar present.  This will present the keyboard 
more like the original Fleksy app.  You can switch from the 
spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger swipe down in the keyboard 
area.  A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal Fleksy keyboard 
will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.


Good luck.

Alan

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy 
keyboard?


 Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job!

However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results.  
It's first prediction is wrong about 99% of the time.  Second or 
third prediction is usually the correct one.


I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember 
that it does have a learning future with in it.  It is 
technically faster than the  iOS keyboard, but it is very 

re: Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[rajmund]

Hi,
Double tap on slide to set up.  Every time it says slide, just 
ignore that, and double tap.  Unless it says actions available, 
or something of the sort.


Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: "Eva Abbas" 

RE: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[rajmund]

Hi,
I'm one of those fast braillests, people always wonder.  I can be 
as quick on my 5s, in braille, uncontracted, as some others with 
direct touch on an iPad, for instance.


Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  >:




Chuck,



I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it.  I'm 
trying to make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since 
like they say, practice makes perfect, or in this case, practice 
does give you better results.




After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe 
up and you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your 
input and let you copy it for pasting to the app of your choice.




You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead 
of with the spacebar present.  This will present the keyboard 
more like the original Fleksy app.  You can switch from the 
spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger swipe down in the keyboard 
area.  A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal Fleksy keyboard 
will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.




Good luck.



Alan



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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy 
keyboard?




Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job!



However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results.  
It's first prediction is wrong about 99% of the time.  Second or 
third prediction is usually the correct one.




I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember 
that it does have a learning future with in it.  It is 
technically faster than the  iOS keyboard, but it is very 
frustrating!




By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing 
with it.  It got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the 
options no longer work.  Although messages and email still work.


But as I typed, no text was displayed.

Chuck

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VDR sort by author

[Harry Bell]

If I tap the Sort button and select Author, the library of all items does 
rearrange itself, reflecting the alphabetical order of the authors. If I start 
typing the author name into the search field, the table of results starts 
rearranging itself but is obviously looking for the word as I type it but 
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Update to my iPhone 5S is a mess

[Eva Abbas]

Hello listers,

I hope everybody is doing well.  I have a problem and I need your help 
please.  My iPhone 5S suggested to me to update to 9.3.  I tapped to update.  
The screen was showing the apple with a little line probably indecating the 
update.  I left it for a couple of minutes and came back.  I found my screen 
locked.  I tried to unlock it, I found hellos in all kinds of languages and 
something told me to slide to set-up or something like that.  I slid my finger, 
nothing happened.  I am stuck there!  What do I do to see my apps again and 
choose what I want?
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Re: Unable to search by author in voice dream all items list

[Mary Otten]

OK then. I guess I will be writing to Winston. I have noticed that with the 
change to the new set up, when you're going through a list of titles from book 
share, those titles used to have the title and the author read out. Now, it's 
just the title. So that might be why the search can't find authors. If so, it's 
really a drag.
Mary


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> On Apr 5, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mary! I have just tried like you to search by author and exactly the same 
> happened to me. Must be another bug? Harry
> 
>> On 5 Apr 2016, at 16:23, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Before writing to Winston to see if this is by design, I thought I would ask 
>> her if others are experiencing this as well. In voice dream, latest version, 
>> if I try searching all items, I can do that with words, and get titles which 
>> contain those words. However, I cannot find authors whose work I know I 
>> have. I know the books are there. But if I search on the authors last name, 
>> nothing shows up. I don't get "no results". It just has my search text and 
>> the keyboard with the alphabet still waiting, as though the search request 
>> never actually took. Very strange. Can anyone duplicate this? Am I somehow 
>> missing a way to change from title to author search? I certainly am not 
>> seeing anything like that, except when searching in a given source, such as 
>> book share, where you can search by title, author, ISBN, or full text.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Best word processor for iOS devices Able to write complete documents?

[rajmund]

Hi,
No attacks, please, but, notes.  A standard note pad.  No special 
microsoft ID, nothing to install, its in there by default.


Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: Paul Hunt  wrote:


Hi all,   Please can somebody tell me what is currently the best 
accessible wordprocessor   For writing complete documents on iOS 
devices?   Your help with this question would be most welcome   
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Re: Unable to search by author in voice dream all items list

[Harry Bell]

Hi, Mary! I have just tried like you to search by author and exactly the same 
happened to me. Must be another bug? Harry

> On 5 Apr 2016, at 16:23, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Before writing to Winston to see if this is by design, I thought I would ask 
> her if others are experiencing this as well. In voice dream, latest version, 
> if I try searching all items, I can do that with words, and get titles which 
> contain those words. However, I cannot find authors whose work I know I have. 
> I know the books are there. But if I search on the authors last name, nothing 
> shows up. I don't get "no results". It just has my search text and the 
> keyboard with the alphabet still waiting, as though the search request never 
> actually took. Very strange. Can anyone duplicate this? Am I somehow missing 
> a way to change from title to author search? I certainly am not seeing 
> anything like that, except when searching in a given source, such as book 
> share, where you can search by title, author, ISBN, or full text.
> Mary
> 
> 
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Unable to search by author in voice dream all items list

[Mary Otten]

Before writing to Winston to see if this is by design, I thought I would ask 
her if others are experiencing this as well. In voice dream, latest version, if 
I try searching all items, I can do that with words, and get titles which 
contain those words. However, I cannot find authors whose work I know I have. I 
know the books are there. But if I search on the authors last name, nothing 
shows up. I don't get "no results". It just has my search text and the keyboard 
with the alphabet still waiting, as though the search request never actually 
took. Very strange. Can anyone duplicate this? Am I somehow missing a way to 
change from title to author search? I certainly am not seeing anything like 
that, except when searching in a given source, such as book share, where you 
can search by title, author, ISBN, or full text.
Mary


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Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi I don’t know if we should drift off into another topic, but let me just say 
that yes, it was me who had the problems with the camera, and this has to do 
with mindset just as much as the operation itself. I just can’t get into my 
thick head how blind folks want to and even take pictures knowing that there’s 
no way in hell to check what the results of their attempts would be and i just 
don’t want to embbarras myself with pictures that look like a blind person has 
taken them. But that’s me and it’s also another thread or topic alltogether.
/Krister

> 5 apr. 2016 kl. 16:02 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
> 
> Hi Krister,
>  
> I am certainly not flogging you, in fact, I think it’s awesome you are so 
> proficient with Fleksy and I wish I could be, but it seems to be one of those 
> situations where you just seem to have a particular skill/ability which 
> allows you to use it and most others don’t. I seem to remember you once wrote 
> you can’t take good pictures with the iPhone. I think that is something that 
> can be learned also and I certainly have no problems doing so and getting 
> great results with apps like KNFB Reader, Tap Tap See, Talking Goggles etc. 
> Sorry if it was a different thing you once stated you couldn’t do if your 
> life depended on it or if I am mixing you up with somebody else, but there 
> just are some things that are easier for some than for others. I typically 
> have a pretty good spacial awareness of the screen and all that and I have 
> tried everything you said and also read Alan’s excellent tutorial yet still 
> find Fleksy is just not working for me. I sometimes hear Podcasts where 
> people use Braille Input and it sounds like it works great and they are very 
> fast with that. I wish I could do that, but unfortunately the hand injuries I 
> have when I blew myself up 30 some years ago make that impossible, I only 
> have two fingers and the thumb on each hand so can’t use braille input since 
> you need at least three fingers. So I’m stuck with the regular iOS keyboard 
> and of course dictation which works quite well. If I travel and only take my 
> iPhone I usually bring a Bluetooth keyboard for situations where I may have 
> to reply to an email and type quite a lot of text.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 11:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
>  
> I shouldn’t bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous vote of 
> the blind community is that it is useless and those who think differently get 
> flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized. There are 3 different 
> sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from the settings. When one’s 
> new to the keyboard i’d recommend the largest size.
> /Krister
>  
>> 5 apr. 2016 kl. 01:34 skrev Alan Lemly > >:
>>  
>> Chuck,
>>  
>> I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it. I'm trying to 
>> make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like they say, practice 
>> makes perfect, or in this case, practice does give you better results.
>>  
>> After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up and 
>> you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and let you copy 
>> it for pasting to the app of your choice.
>>  
>> You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of with the 
>> spacebar present. This will present the keyboard more like the original 
>> Fleksy app. You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger 
>> swipe down in the keyboard area. A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal 
>> Fleksy keyboard will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.
>>  
>> Good luck.
>>  
>> Alan
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
>> To: VIPhone
>> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
>>  
>>>  Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job! 
>>  
>>> However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results. It's first 
>>> prediction is wrong about 99% of the time. Second or third prediction is 
>>> usually the correct one.
>>  
>> I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember that it 
>> does have a learning future with in it. It is technically faster than the  
>> iOS keyboard, but it is very frustrating! 
>>  
>> By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing with it. 
>> It got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the options no longer work. 
>> Although messages and email still work.
>> But as I typed, no text was displayed.
>> Chuck
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Is anyone on the list accessing quinton’s play room using a Mac or IOS device? 
It’s a game room for blind and visually impaired persons. There is a stand 
alone client for windows. However, Mac and IOS users can access it through 
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Re: Editting text messages sent via Siri: HELP pleaset

[Deidre Muccio]

Jewel, 
You can always find the message that you sent whether it be through Siri or you 
typed it out through the message program by just going into messages. In fact 
on your homepage up to you send a message if you swipe around you will see this 
is the message you sent to and you can hit the button and it will take you to 
messages and or might even read that message right there sort of a copy of 
everything you've done or asked Siri is sitting right there on your screen 
also, I don't see I don't know if you can alter the speed at which Siri speaks. 
I believe that was another one of your questions. Maybe somebody else on was 
can address that. Good luck

Deidre


> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Jewel  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> --
> my use of the iPhone is pretty limmited, but I am, gradually, very
> gradually, adding new, I hesitate to say * skills, but new somethings to my 
> repertoire.
> An American friend of mine, no doubt in an attempt to force me into deep and 
> dangerous waters:
> "some people choose their friends, while others have them thrust upon them!" 
> has taken to texting me
> and here we come to the reason for my request for help.
> Yesterday morning, I received such and started by attempting to send a reply 
> by using the typing
> keyboard.  which I aborted as it was going to hell in a hand basket, and then 
> I started another one
> by dictating to Siri, but he cut me off after I had uttered only a few words.
> However,  I then emailed my friend, who, by the way, is one that I chose, not 
> one that was thrust
> upon me, about the aborted typed text in which I said that I couldn't get rid 
> of the wretched thing
> and voice over just kept say "done button--done button--done button:  
> done--done--done--done--done
> button--done button", and then it reads the bit of the text that I had 
> written, but if there is a
> delete or done button anywhere on the screen, it is making a darned good job 
> of hiding.
> I have, briefly, located "actions available" but before I have a chance to 
> take advantage of what it
> offers, it has vanished, not to be spotted again for days.
>  Staying with messages sent via Siri:  Is there any way of editting a message 
> sent in this way?
> For instance, in the second message I sent to this anonymous yank cobber, I 
> said that I was sending
> the message by way of Siri, and though it was not * too wonderful,  it was a 
> lot better than my
> first effort.
> I knew from the way Siri read it back that he had it written as  t o, not  t 
> o o wonderful!
> I sent a spoken message to Ken, another chosen friend, this time a genuine 
> Kiwi bloke,  telling him
> that I hadn't won a single brass razoo on Lotto and I started it: Hi Ken!  
> but I am sure that Siri
> wrote Hi Kim!
> With this latest rash of upgrades, is it possible to set Siri, specifically,  
> to read messages a
> little bit slower?  It can be very difficult to hear what he is saying as he 
> gabbles his way through
> the message:  I don't have speech speed set at anything like  the rate that 
> some people do:  I have
> mine at around 50%.  Any slower than that, and it is reminiscent of a funeral 
> dirge, and is not all
> that enjoyable to listen to.
> Jewel
> 
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Re: Best word processor for iOS devices Able to write complete documents?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Voice Dream Writer has some features that I don't think other iPhone word 
processors have, such as the ability to create and navigate by headings, the 
ability to navigate by paragraphs, a spell checker that locates the next 
misspelled word, and the ability to rearrange headings and all the text under 
the headings, similar to Outline View in Word.

Best,
Anna



> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:48 PM, trahern culver  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,   Please can somebody tell me what is currently the best accessible 
> wordprocessor   For writing complete documents on iOS devices?   Your help 
> with this question would be most welcome   Kind regards  trey
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Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

[Deidre Muccio]

Wow, I don't understand how a new problem can be created with something that 
was working so perfectly well before. I'm even hesitant to do the latest latest 
update because I just don't trust the stuff.

Deidre


> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Deidre,
> 
> If I want to move something up that is by default at the bottom or near the 
> bottom I shouldn't have to move 6 other things down in order to accomplish 
> this. I hadn't really noticed a problem before either and thought maybe the 
> people who are having problems aren't doing clean gestures, but I just tried 
> moving a few things around and there definitely seems to be a bug as I can 
> reproduce what Ari has been describing.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Deidre Muccio
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 1:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!
> 
> Well let's see if you had been trying to move something up why don't you try 
> moving the things you don't want first down. I'm sorry if you've already 
> tried this and this is a little redundant.
> 
> Deidre
> 
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 12:11 PM, rajmund  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> When I tried moving braille screen input below words on the 5s, it would 
>> always go right at the top.  After about 3 items, speech refuses, and I 
>> repeat, refuses, to tell you where the earth you are.
>> 
>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Devin Prater > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date sent: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 08:05:31 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!
>> 
>> Yes, this happened to me too when I was putting braille screen input at the 
>> top.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:02 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Reorganizing the items isn't the problem.  I listen very carefully, and stop 
>> when the item I'm moving is where I want it.  The trouble starts when things 
>> start randomly moving around on me, particularly an icon that I just moved a 
>> few seconds ago.  Or something I moved a little bit ago will suddenly shift 
>> position, or things will randomly become unselected.  I know how to organize 
>> the rotor, and things used to work beautifully.  I haven't had to do this 
>> from scratch in a very long time, so "i don't know when things started going 
>> absolutely haywire like this, but it's frustrating me beyond belief! "apple 
>> "accessibility is getting a call today.  They really need to know about this 
>> issue.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> "ari
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 5:49 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't seem to have any trouble.  Under the name of each item selected is a 
>> button to change sort order.  If you tap on it, it will tell you what to do 
>> such as hold on and move finger.  So you would move up or down and it should 
>> tell you what you are crossing over.  Pay attention to what order things are 
>> already in on the rotor and you will know when to let up.  It's just like 
>> moving apps only easier.
>> You could also unselect everything then select them one at a time in the 
>> order you want them.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Jewel
>> Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 7:07 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!
>> 
>> Ari!  I do hope that you get an answer because I am having a similar 
>> problem:  not all the time, but enough to be a real annoyance.
>> I have tried just moving the rotor to, sort of halfway between one 
>> option and the next, and that seems to work for a while, but it would be 
>> much better if it worked all the time.
>> 
>>   Jewel
>> 
>> --
>> From: > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 6:11 AM
>> To: "VIPhone Email List" > Subject: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!
>> 
>> As you all probably know by now, I just got a new iPhone 6S.  I had to 
>> reset my settings to their defaults on my 4S to be able to back it up 
>> to my computer, so while I have all my apps and whatnot, I'm having to 
>> reset all my settings.  Nothing is driving me more nuts than getting 
>> the rotor exactly the way I want it.  Things jump around after I move 
>> them' or go to the top after moving up for a bit, or to the bottop if 
>> I'm moving them down.  This is really, really annoying! "i wish you 
>> could just have move up/down buttons, instead of this dragging to reorder 
>> stuff.  It's never really been a problem until now, though.  Am I just going 
>> nuts, or have others experienced this problem with the rotor? Any 
>> suggestions?
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: PDF iOS Annotation

[Kevin Chao]

PDF pen pro
On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:35 AM Emilio Hernandez <
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> Hello everyone,
>
> Does anyone know of a solution that will give me the ability to annotate
> PDFs on an iDevice?
> Additionally, has anyone tried filling-out PDFs on an iDevice? What
> solutions have others found to be independently useful?
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Re: Best word processor for iOS devices Able to write complete documents?

[Kevin Chao]

Google Docs
On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 3:55 AM Paul Hunt  wrote:

> Hello Trey. I believe that Microsoft Word is the most accessible Word
> Processor. I use it for all of my note taking. I take my notes at meetings
> with my Brailliant BI 40 display. When I get home my document is waiting
> for me, no synchronization required. It's free too.
>
> > On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:48 PM, trahern culver 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,   Please can somebody tell me what is currently the best
> accessible wordprocessor   For writing complete documents on iOS devices?
>  Your help with this question would be most welcome   Kind regards  trey
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RE: Editting text messages sent via Siri: HELP pleaset

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jewel,

You may want to just try and use dictation in Messages instead of telling SIRI 
to send a message to somebody followed by the message text. I only do that if 
it's pretty short, if it's longer I just open Messages, tap on Compose, find 
the person I want to text and then put focus into the message field. Now you 
can use the 2-finger double tap to start and stop dictation and you can dictate 
in smaller portions of text or maybe sentence by sentence etc. Then of course 
when you are done you are in that text message field and you can turn the rotor 
to words or characters and move around to edit. If you, for example, think it 
said "Hello Kim" instead of "Hello Ken", you can double tap to move the 
insertion point to the start, then with the rotor set to characters swipe down 
until you are across "Hello" and then make sure it says "Ken" and not "Kim". If 
it is "Kim" you can put the cursor on the "m" of "Kim", tap delete twice to get 
rid of the "m" and "I" and then type "e" and "n".
The fact is that editing on an iOS device with Voiceover and probably even for 
sighted people without Voiceover, is a bit of a pain in the neck, it's 
absolutely not as quick and efficient as editing on a computer with a 
screenreader like Jaws, but it can be done.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jewel
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 7:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Editting text messages sent via Siri: HELP pleaset



--
my use of the iPhone is pretty limmited, but I am, gradually, very gradually, 
adding new, I hesitate to say * skills, but new somethings to my repertoire.
An American friend of mine, no doubt in an attempt to force me into deep and 
dangerous waters:
"some people choose their friends, while others have them thrust upon them!" 
has taken to texting me and here we come to the reason for my request for help.
Yesterday morning, I received such and started by attempting to send a reply by 
using the typing keyboard.  which I aborted as it was going to hell in a hand 
basket, and then I started another one by dictating to Siri, but he cut me off 
after I had uttered only a few words.
However,  I then emailed my friend, who, by the way, is one that I chose, not 
one that was thrust upon me, about the aborted typed text in which I said that 
I couldn't get rid of the wretched thing and voice over just kept say "done 
button--done button--done button:  done--done--done--done--done button--done 
button", and then it reads the bit of the text that I had written, but if there 
is a delete or done button anywhere on the screen, it is making a darned good 
job of hiding.
I have, briefly, located "actions available" but before I have a chance to take 
advantage of what it offers, it has vanished, not to be spotted again for days.
  Staying with messages sent via Siri:  Is there any way of editting a message 
sent in this way?
For instance, in the second message I sent to this anonymous yank cobber, I 
said that I was sending the message by way of Siri, and though it was not * too 
wonderful,  it was a lot better than my first effort.
I knew from the way Siri read it back that he had it written as  t o, not  t o 
o wonderful!
I sent a spoken message to Ken, another chosen friend, this time a genuine Kiwi 
bloke,  telling him that I hadn't won a single brass razoo on Lotto and I 
started it: Hi Ken!  but I am sure that Siri wrote Hi Kim!
With this latest rash of upgrades, is it possible to set Siri, specifically,  
to read messages a little bit slower?  It can be very difficult to hear what he 
is saying as he gabbles his way through the message:  I don't have speech speed 
set at anything like  the rate that some people do:  I have mine at around 50%. 
 Any slower than that, and it is reminiscent of a funeral dirge, and is not all 
that enjoyable to listen to.
Jewel
 

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RE: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Krister,

 

I am certainly not flogging you, in fact, I think it’s awesome you are so 
proficient with Fleksy and I wish I could be, but it seems to be one of those 
situations where you just seem to have a particular skill/ability which allows 
you to use it and most others don’t. I seem to remember you once wrote you 
can’t take good pictures with the iPhone. I think that is something that can be 
learned also and I certainly have no problems doing so and getting great 
results with apps like KNFB Reader, Tap Tap See, Talking Goggles etc. Sorry if 
it was a different thing you once stated you couldn’t do if your life depended 
on it or if I am mixing you up with somebody else, but there just are some 
things that are easier for some than for others. I typically have a pretty good 
spacial awareness of the screen and all that and I have tried everything you 
said and also read Alan’s excellent tutorial yet still find Fleksy is just not 
working for me. I sometimes hear Podcasts where people use Braille Input and it 
sounds like it works great and they are very fast with that. I wish I could do 
that, but unfortunately the hand injuries I have when I blew myself up 30 some 
years ago make that impossible, I only have two fingers and the thumb on each 
hand so can’t use braille input since you need at least three fingers. So I’m 
stuck with the regular iOS keyboard and of course dictation which works quite 
well. If I travel and only take my iPhone I usually bring a Bluetooth keyboard 
for situations where I may have to reply to an email and type quite a lot of 
text.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 11:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

 

I shouldn’t bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous vote of 
the blind community is that it is useless and those who think differently get 
flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized. There are 3 different 
sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from the settings. When one’s new 
to the keyboard i’d recommend the largest size.

/Krister

 

5 apr. 2016 kl. 01:34 skrev Alan Lemly  >:

 

Chuck,

 

I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it. I'm trying to make 
myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like they say, practice makes 
perfect, or in this case, practice does give you better results.

 

After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up and you'll 
be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and let you copy it for 
pasting to the app of your choice.

 

You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of with the 
spacebar present. This will present the keyboard more like the original Fleksy 
app. You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger swipe down 
in the keyboard area. A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal Fleksy keyboard 
will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.

 

Good luck.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

 

 Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job! 

 

However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results. It's first 
prediction is wrong about 99% of the time. Second or third prediction is 
usually the correct one.

 

I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember that it does 
have a learning future with in it. It is technically faster than the  iOS 
keyboard, but it is very frustrating! 

 

By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing with it. It 
got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the options no longer work. 
Although messages and email still work.

But as I typed, no text was displayed.

Chuck

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RE: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Deidre,

If I want to move something up that is by default at the bottom or near the 
bottom I shouldn't have to move 6 other things down in order to accomplish 
this. I hadn't really noticed a problem before either and thought maybe the 
people who are having problems aren't doing clean gestures, but I just tried 
moving a few things around and there definitely seems to be a bug as I can 
reproduce what Ari has been describing.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Deidre Muccio
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 1:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

Well let's see if you had been trying to move something up why don't you try 
moving the things you don't want first down. I'm sorry if you've already tried 
this and this is a little redundant.

Deidre


> On Apr 4, 2016, at 12:11 PM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> When I tried moving braille screen input below words on the 5s, it would 
> always go right at the top.  After about 3 items, speech refuses, and I 
> repeat, refuses, to tell you where the earth you are.
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Devin Prater  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 08:05:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!
> 
> Yes, this happened to me too when I was putting braille screen input at the 
> top.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:02 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Reorganizing the items isn't the problem.  I listen very carefully, and stop 
> when the item I'm moving is where I want it.  The trouble starts when things 
> start randomly moving around on me, particularly an icon that I just moved a 
> few seconds ago.  Or something I moved a little bit ago will suddenly shift 
> position, or things will randomly become unselected.  I know how to organize 
> the rotor, and things used to work beautifully.  I haven't had to do this 
> from scratch in a very long time, so "i don't know when things started going 
> absolutely haywire like this, but it's frustrating me beyond belief! "apple 
> "accessibility is getting a call today.  They really need to know about this 
> issue.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> "ari
> 
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 5:49 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
> I don't seem to have any trouble.  Under the name of each item selected is a 
> button to change sort order.  If you tap on it, it will tell you what to do 
> such as hold on and move finger.  So you would move up or down and it should 
> tell you what you are crossing over.  Pay attention to what order things are 
> already in on the rotor and you will know when to let up.  It's just like 
> moving apps only easier.
>  You could also unselect everything then select them one at a time in the 
> order you want them.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jewel
> Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 7:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!
> 
> Ari!  I do hope that you get an answer because I am having a similar 
> problem:  not all the time, but enough to be a real annoyance.
> I have tried just moving the rotor to, sort of halfway between one 
> option and the next, and that seems to work for a while, but it would be much 
> better if it worked all the time.
> 
>Jewel
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> From:  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 6:11 AM
> To: "VIPhone Email List"  Subject: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!
> 
> As you all probably know by now, I just got a new iPhone 6S.  I had to 
> reset my settings to their defaults on my 4S to be able to back it up 
> to my computer, so while I have all my apps and whatnot, I'm having to 
> reset all my settings.  Nothing is driving me more nuts than getting 
> the rotor exactly the way I want it.  Things jump around after I move 
> them' or go to the top after moving up for a bit, or to the bottop if 
> I'm moving them down.  This is really, really annoying! "i wish you 
> could just have move up/down buttons, instead of this dragging to reorder 
> stuff.  It's never really been a problem until now, though.  Am I just going 
> nuts, or have others experienced this problem with the rotor? Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
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RE: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Chuck,

 

I spend a bit of time practicing as well and also had no luck. I don’t mind 
learning new stuff and am fairly patient, but at this point being successful 
with Fleksy seems to be beyond me.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:15 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

 

Thanks Alan, I found your tutorial with a search of the B iPhone topics. I will 
read it thoroughly, and hopefully I will be able to use this app. But, I 
haven't had much success.

Chuck

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 2:28:04 PM UTC-7, Chuck Dean wrote:

Hello all,

I used to be a big fan of the Flexi keyboard, but since it's updates to being a 
third-party keyboard, I have had absolutely no success typing with this thing. 

Whenever I type a word it types gibberish as my first selection, and usually my 
second or third selection is what I actually typed. Even when I type the word 
I, it gives me the wrong letter!

 

Am I doing something wrong, or is everybody else having as much trouble with 
this keyboard as I am?

 

I remember the old Fleksy V.O., which worked absolutely perfectly. It was 
fantastic for the visually impaired, and I used it constantly. I could type on 
it five times faster than any other keyboard I've come across. But they no 
longer supported. 

I guess it work too good!

 

I have tried the Swift Key keyboard, with some success. It is not nearly as 
fast as the old Fleksy V.O. 

Chuck

 

P.S. I noticed that they no longer have the Wii love feedback but in their app. 
Now they expect you to go to Facebook, which I am not a member.

 

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Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Alan Lemly]

Chuck, 

I've experienced what you're describing with Fleksy just announcing keyboard 
and not registering any other key presses. Usually, a restart of my iPhone with 
the home and power buttons fixes this problem. I'll also say it seems to arise 
in apps not requiring much keyboard input other than an occasional search. 

You might try going into settings, general, keyboard and removing the Fleksy 
keyboard from the installed list. You don't actually have to uninstall the app 
from your device. I would then open the messages app and type a sample using 
the standard keyboard before turning Fleksy back on. 

I will say I'm trying to use the Fleksy keyboard in spacebar mode since my 
experience is that it seems better behaved in this mode. You also have access 
to the button immediately to the left of the spacebar that will enable you to 
switch back to the standard keyboard. 

I understand your frustration because the Fleksy keyboard seems unpredictable 
enough to make one unwilling to fool with it but progress is being made with 
VoiceOver with each subsequent upgrade. 

Only you can decide whether the benefit of using Fleksy outweighs the cost of 
its frustrations. 

Good luck with your decision. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 1:46 AM, Chuck Dean  wrote:
> 
> I was having some success with fleksy this afternoon when the keyboard  
> totally locked up. Now when I touch any key all it says is keyboard, and 
> doesn't do anything. Which also means that there is no way to get out of the 
> keyboard, the two finger swipe up and swipe down does nothing. The only way 
> to get out of the keyboard is to delete it from the phone. I have restarted 
> the phone, reinstall Fleksy, turned off and turned on voiceover, nothing 
> works. It is totally locked up, totally useless.
> 
> 
> I am however glad that you are having success with it. I used to love Fleksy 
> VO when it   work, it was fantastic.
> 
> Chuck (mobile)
> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I shouldn’t bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous vote 
>> of the blind community is that it is useless and those who think differently 
>> get flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized. There are 3 
>> different sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from the settings. 
>> When one’s new to the keyboard i’d recommend the largest size.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 5 apr. 2016 kl. 01:34 skrev Alan Lemly :
>>> 
>>> Chuck,
>>>  
>>> I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it. I'm trying to 
>>> make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like they say, 
>>> practice makes perfect, or in this case, practice does give you better 
>>> results.
>>>  
>>> After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up and 
>>> you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and let you 
>>> copy it for pasting to the app of your choice.
>>>  
>>> You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of with the 
>>> spacebar present. This will present the keyboard more like the original 
>>> Fleksy app. You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger 
>>> swipe down in the keyboard area. A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal 
>>> Fleksy keyboard will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.
>>>  
>>> Good luck.
>>>  
>>> Alan
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Chuck Dean
>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
>>> To: VIPhone
>>> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
>>>  
  Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job! 
>>>  
 However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results. It's 
 first prediction is wrong about 99% of the time. Second or third 
 prediction is usually the correct one.
>>>  
>>> I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember that it 
>>> does have a learning future with in it. It is technically faster than the  
>>> iOS keyboard, but it is very frustrating! 
>>>  
>>> By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing with it. 
>>> It got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the options no longer work. 
>>> Although messages and email still work.
>>> But as I typed, no text was displayed.
>>> Chuck
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RE: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Ari,

I've been reading this thread for a while shaking my head wondering what you 
all are talking about. But I thought before I send a message telling you it's 
all user error, I thought I move some rotor stuff around since I hadn't done it 
in a while. I started to select and deselect a few items and move them up and 
down and at first had no issues at all. Then suddenly I realized the problem 
you describe is starting to reproduce for me. I don't have things like Sounds 
and Audio Ducking selected and next thing I know they are selected and I am 
100% sure I didn't tap them. I also had moved Vertical navigation and Headings 
and suddenly they were way down in the list again.

So yes, there seems to be a reproduceable bug here, I have an iPhone 6S Plus 
and I'll write a message to Apple Accessibility about this. I suggest you write 
to them as well since it is probably better than calling since that way they 
have a written record. You could of course call them and also write, but I 
would definitely not only call. I doubt there is a solution to this, it seems 
to be a random bug, so the more people try this and write to them about it the 
better.

One thing I would like to add is that at one point one of the items I had moved 
up suddenly appeared way further down again. At that point I backed out of the 
Rotor back to Voiceover settings, then I went back in and the item now was 
where I had put it. I don't know how to explain this, but if you do something 
and remember what you do when it suddenly seems something got randomly selected 
or deslected or moved and you then go back out of the rotor and in again, I 
think you may find all is well. If you are making lots of changes I think it's 
almost better to do two or three things, then back out and go back in and do 
your next two or three changes. It's an interesting bug, I can't exactly say it 
is driving me crazy since I was still able to select and deselect what I wanted 
and to move the items into the order I want, but it should of course be fixed. 
One thing I always noticed is that when you move something up or down you must 
make sure you do it slowly and hear the little plink sound. There are occasions 
when I am moving something and I don't hear it or I hear it a few times and 
then it stops and if that happens and I check where the item I am moving ended 
up it's usually all the way up at the top or bottom. Also, if you are moving 
something from way at the bottom to really high up on the list you can't do it 
all at once. It works much better to move it 4 or 5 spots up, then find it 
again, put your finger back towards the bottom of the screen and move it again 
and so on.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!

Reorganizing the items isn't the problem. I listen very carefully, and stop 
when the item I'm moving is where I want it. The trouble starts when things 
start randomly moving around on me, particularly an icon that I just moved a 
few seconds ago. Or something I moved a little bit ago will suddenly shift 
position, or things will randomly become unselected. I know how to organize the 
rotor, and things used to work beautifully. I haven't had to do this from 
scratch in a very long time, so "i don't know when things started going 
absolutely haywire like this, but it's frustrating me beyond belief! "apple 
"accessibility is getting a call today. They really need to know about this 
issue.


Thanks,
"ari

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 5:49 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
> I don't seem to have any trouble. Under the name of each item selected is a 
> button to change sort order. If you tap on it, it will tell you what to do 
> such as hold on and move finger. So you would move up or down and it should 
> tell you what you are crossing over. Pay attention to what order things are 
> already in on the rotor and you will know when to let up. It's just like 
> moving apps only easier.
>You could also unselect everything then select them one at a time in the 
> order you want them.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jewel
> Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 7:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reorganizing the rotor is driving me absolutely insane!
> 
> Ari!  I do hope that you get an answer because I am having a similar 
> problem:  not all the time, but enough to be a real annoyance.
> I have tried just moving the rotor to, sort of halfway between one 
> option and the next, and that seems to work for a while, but it would be much 
> better if it worked all the time.
> 
>  Jewel
> 
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> Sent: Monday, 

Re: apple watch

[Chris Chaffin]

after dictating a message, you are then given the choice to send that message 
as audio, or text.  You are not given a way to edit the message, but if it is 
not correct, then you just double tap cancel and dictate it again.
Now, there are also pre prepared messages in which you can change to what you 
want them to say.  To send one of those messages, you just double tap on it.  
For example, like the message, OK or thank you.  Of coarse these pre prepared 
messages would be messages that you would use on a regular basis.

As far as dictating, I would say that my messages are 99 percent correct.
Being able to receive and reply to messages right on my watch without having to 
take out my phone, is just one thing I love about having my watch.

Chris


> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:13 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> just out of interest, and I don't have an Apple Watch, having used dictation 
> for a text/email message, can you then edit the result? as we all know, 
> dictation can work very well for many of us, but does always have errors.
> 
> just wondering, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 4 Apr 2016, at 16:03, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> As far as reading Bookshare and BARD books from the watch, the answer is no. 
>>  The only thing you can do is stop and start a BARD book from your watch, 
>> but the audio will still either come from your phone or bluetooth headset.  
>> Your watch has something called a now playing screen.  From this screen, you 
>> can control the last audio that was played on your phone no matter what app 
>> it came from.
>> 
>> Second, as far as text messages, yes, you can send and receive messages on 
>> your watch.  But any message you send must be dictated since the watch 
>> screen is to small for a keyboard.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Jan Stirbens  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I am thinking of purchasing an apple watch.  I have the iPhone 6 plus, with 
>>> the latest software. I have 2 questions about the watch.
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to read bard and bookshare books from the watch?
>>> Can I write text messages from the watch, or can the watch only receive 
>>> messages?
>>> 
>>> If anyone can recommend any podcasts or tutorials for the watch, I would 
>>> appreciate it.  I don’t want to cludder up the list with questions.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>> 
>>> Jan
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Re: Editting text messages sent via Siri: HELP pleaset

[Deidre Muccio]

Jewel, the done button that you're hearing is what you get after your message 
has been sent. I think you're hearing it over and over and over again because 
either voiceover is quirky on your phone and or your swiping and that's what 
you're hearing because they're only like two things on the page after you sent 
your message. One I think is home which is at the top and then under that his 
help. I don't know what else appears on that page once you sent your message 
but don't worry about it maybe you're not hearing the swoosh sound or whatever 
sound you have set indicate the message is sent. I meant to write and yes I am 
dictating this and I have not mastered editing either, that at the top is the 
done button not the home button and under that I believe is a help button. That 
is after you have dictated a text message using Siri.

Deidre


> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Jewel  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> --
> my use of the iPhone is pretty limmited, but I am, gradually, very
> gradually, adding new, I hesitate to say * skills, but new somethings to my 
> repertoire.
> An American friend of mine, no doubt in an attempt to force me into deep and 
> dangerous waters:
> "some people choose their friends, while others have them thrust upon them!" 
> has taken to texting me
> and here we come to the reason for my request for help.
> Yesterday morning, I received such and started by attempting to send a reply 
> by using the typing
> keyboard.  which I aborted as it was going to hell in a hand basket, and then 
> I started another one
> by dictating to Siri, but he cut me off after I had uttered only a few words.
> However,  I then emailed my friend, who, by the way, is one that I chose, not 
> one that was thrust
> upon me, about the aborted typed text in which I said that I couldn't get rid 
> of the wretched thing
> and voice over just kept say "done button--done button--done button:  
> done--done--done--done--done
> button--done button", and then it reads the bit of the text that I had 
> written, but if there is a
> delete or done button anywhere on the screen, it is making a darned good job 
> of hiding.
> I have, briefly, located "actions available" but before I have a chance to 
> take advantage of what it
> offers, it has vanished, not to be spotted again for days.
>  Staying with messages sent via Siri:  Is there any way of editting a message 
> sent in this way?
> For instance, in the second message I sent to this anonymous yank cobber, I 
> said that I was sending
> the message by way of Siri, and though it was not * too wonderful,  it was a 
> lot better than my
> first effort.
> I knew from the way Siri read it back that he had it written as  t o, not  t 
> o o wonderful!
> I sent a spoken message to Ken, another chosen friend, this time a genuine 
> Kiwi bloke,  telling him
> that I hadn't won a single brass razoo on Lotto and I started it: Hi Ken!  
> but I am sure that Siri
> wrote Hi Kim!
> With this latest rash of upgrades, is it possible to set Siri, specifically,  
> to read messages a
> little bit slower?  It can be very difficult to hear what he is saying as he 
> gabbles his way through
> the message:  I don't have speech speed set at anything like  the rate that 
> some people do:  I have
> mine at around 50%.  Any slower than that, and it is reminiscent of a funeral 
> dirge, and is not all
> that enjoyable to listen to.
> Jewel
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Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Christopher Chaltain]

It's hardly unanimous, and I don't think anyone is being flogged. 
Remember, there are something like 1400 members on this list, and I 
haven't seen nearly that many people claiming that Fleksy is useless, 
and I've seen a few members like yourself trying to help the rest of us 
who'd like to use Fleksy more. I'd encourage you not to get discouraged 
and keep sending tips on how to use Fleksy to the list. There will 
always be negativity out there, especially on a list with so many 
members, but don't let that negativity get you down.


On 05/04/16 01:39, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

I shouldn’t bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous
vote of the blind community is that it is useless and those who think
differently get flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized.
There are 3 different sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from
the settings. When one’s new to the keyboard i’d recommend the largest size.
/Krister


5 apr. 2016 kl. 01:34 skrev Alan Lemly >:

Chuck,
I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it. I'm
trying to make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like
they say, practice makes perfect, or in this case, practice does give
you better results.
After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up
and you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and
let you copy it for pasting to the app of your choice.
You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of
with the spacebar present. This will present the keyboard more like
the original Fleksy app. You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by
doing a 2 finger swipe down in the keyboard area. A 2 finger swipe up
while in the minimal Fleksy keyboard will switch back to the Fleksy
spacebar keyboard.
Good luck.
Alan
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*Subject:*Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

 Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job!
However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results. It's
first prediction is wrong about 99% of the time. Second or third
prediction is usually the correct one.

I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember that
it does have a learning future with in it. It is technically faster
than the  iOS keyboard, but it is very frustrating!
By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing with
it. It got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the options no
longer work. Although messages and email still work.
But as I typed, no text was displayed.
Chuck
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Re: Mail

[Michelle Bernstein]

I don't believe that there is a way to configure a draft within gmail to be 
sent at a certain time or date.
I believe you can only create a draft and then send it as an email manually 
at the time or date that you wish. Regards, Michelle
On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:23:54 PM UTC-4, Marissa Solaun wrote:

> is there a way within Gmail either through the Iphone or desktop 
> version to configure a draft to be sent at a certain time/ date? 
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> Thanks 
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Re: Best word processor for iOS devices Able to write complete documents?

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Trey. I believe that Microsoft Word is the most accessible Word 
Processor. I use it for all of my note taking. I take my notes at meetings with 
my Brailliant BI 40 display. When I get home my document is waiting for me, no 
synchronization required. It's free too.  

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:48 PM, trahern culver  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,   Please can somebody tell me what is currently the best accessible 
> wordprocessor   For writing complete documents on iOS devices?   Your help 
> with this question would be most welcome   Kind regards  trey
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Re: apple watch

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

just out of interest, and I don't have an Apple Watch, having used dictation 
for a text/email message, can you then edit the result? as we all know, 
dictation can work very well for many of us, but does always have errors.

just wondering, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 4 Apr 2016, at 16:03, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> As far as reading Bookshare and BARD books from the watch, the answer is no.  
> The only thing you can do is stop and start a BARD book from your watch, but 
> the audio will still either come from your phone or bluetooth headset.  Your 
> watch has something called a now playing screen.  From this screen, you can 
> control the last audio that was played on your phone no matter what app it 
> came from.
> 
> Second, as far as text messages, yes, you can send and receive messages on 
> your watch.  But any message you send must be dictated since the watch screen 
> is to small for a keyboard.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Jan Stirbens  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am thinking of purchasing an apple watch.  I have the iPhone 6 plus, with 
>> the latest software. I have 2 questions about the watch.
>> 
>> Is it possible to read bard and bookshare books from the watch?
>> Can I write text messages from the watch, or can the watch only receive 
>> messages?
>> 
>> If anyone can recommend any podcasts or tutorials for the watch, I would 
>> appreciate it.  I don’t want to cludder up the list with questions.
>> 
>> Thank you for any help.
>> 
>> Jan
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Re: iPhone 4S with iOS 9.3 - is working well?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Carol,
With the latest version of 9.3, which might be 9.31, not sure, I updated my for 
S without a Sim card with no hitch. so, I would say to you, update and don't 
worry!
Good luck, Sandy

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> On 4 Apr 2016, at 14:21, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Sandy,
> 
> In case it is relevant, I did have a Sim in my 6S when I upgraded but then 
> found that when upgrading with my fluoresce, a Sim was required to finish the 
> set up. I don't have one yet! I am quite annoyed about it, really, as I don't 
> want to put a Sim in it particularly. Anyway, I will get one soon, because I 
> want to get the phone back up and running and don't know what else to do.
> 
> Hope this might help you a little!
> On 30 Mar 2016, at 1:46 pm, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> could any of you tell me did you have a Sim card in your for S when you 
> upgraded to 9.3?
> Thanks, Sandy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Mar 2016, at 23:37, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>> Working great here at my end! No sluggishness or anything of the sorts. Good 
>> luck in upgrading yours!
>> 
>> El 29/03/2016 03:31 p.m., Luís Melo escribió:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please, I would like to get feedback about the iphone 4s behavior with the 
>>> new iOS 9.3. 
>>> Thank you very much, 
>>> Greetings,. 
>>> Melo
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Re: Touch ID

[Brett]

Hi, on my 6 it was always very inconsistant, especially with my right thumb 
which was my main unlocking finger. It did seem better with my left thumb. I 
had to type in my pin 40 to 50 percent of the time. 

I wonder if it is a 6 issue or if some of the finger print sensors ar a bit 
dodgy. I have had a 6SE for 5 days now and the accuracy is about 95 percent. 
I'm not sure why this is, but I'm happy about it. 


Cheers Brett. 


> On 5 Apr 2016, at 1:00 PM, Marissa Solaun  wrote:
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> Has anyone noticed that Touch ID is very inconsistent? I had it configured
> on my 6 until it would not recognize the fingerprint deleted and re-did
> the fingerprints only to have it to the same thing "try again" I know that
> fingerprints cannot be sweaty, dirty or anything of that sort or they will
> be unreadable but it's very inconsistent at least in my case.
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Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Go into the phones settings/general/keyboard/keyboards, see if Fleksy has full 
access. Sometimes full access turns itself off for some unexplicable reason. 
Even if it’s not turned off, turn it off then back on again and see if this 
helps.
/Krister

> 5 apr. 2016 kl. 08:46 skrev Chuck Dean :
> 
> I was having some success with fleksy this afternoon when the keyboard  
> totally locked up. Now when I touch any key all it says is keyboard, and 
> doesn't do anything. Which also means that there is no way to get out of the 
> keyboard, the two finger swipe up and swipe down does nothing. The only way 
> to get out of the keyboard is to delete it from the phone. I have restarted 
> the phone, reinstall Fleksy, turned off and turned on voiceover, nothing 
> works. It is totally locked up, totally useless.
> 
> 
> I am however glad that you are having success with it. I used to love Fleksy 
> VO when it   work, it was fantastic.
> 
> Chuck (mobile)
> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
> 
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Krister Ekstrom  > wrote:
> 
>> I shouldn’t bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous vote 
>> of the blind community is that it is useless and those who think differently 
>> get flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized. There are 3 
>> different sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from the settings. 
>> When one’s new to the keyboard i’d recommend the largest size.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 5 apr. 2016 kl. 01:34 skrev Alan Lemly >> >:
>>> 
>>> Chuck,
>>>  
>>> I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it. I'm trying to 
>>> make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like they say, 
>>> practice makes perfect, or in this case, practice does give you better 
>>> results.
>>>  
>>> After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up and 
>>> you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and let you 
>>> copy it for pasting to the app of your choice.
>>>  
>>> You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of with the 
>>> spacebar present. This will present the keyboard more like the original 
>>> Fleksy app. You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger 
>>> swipe down in the keyboard area. A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal 
>>> Fleksy keyboard will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.
>>>  
>>> Good luck.
>>>  
>>> Alan
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>>> Behalf Of Chuck Dean
>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
>>> To: VIPhone
>>> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
>>>  
  Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job! 
>>>  
 However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results. It's 
 first prediction is wrong about 99% of the time. Second or third 
 prediction is usually the correct one.
>>>  
>>> I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember that it 
>>> does have a learning future with in it. It is technically faster than the  
>>> iOS keyboard, but it is very frustrating! 
>>>  
>>> By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing with it. 
>>> It got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the options no longer work. 
>>> Although messages and email still work.
>>> But as I typed, no text was displayed.
>>> Chuck
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Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Chuck Dean]

I was having some success with fleksy this afternoon when the keyboard  totally 
locked up. Now when I touch any key all it says is keyboard, and doesn't do 
anything. Which also means that there is no way to get out of the keyboard, the 
two finger swipe up and swipe down does nothing. The only way to get out of the 
keyboard is to delete it from the phone. I have restarted the phone, reinstall 
Fleksy, turned off and turned on voiceover, nothing works. It is totally locked 
up, totally useless.


I am however glad that you are having success with it. I used to love Fleksy VO 
when it   work, it was fantastic.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> I shouldn’t bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous vote of 
> the blind community is that it is useless and those who think differently get 
> flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized. There are 3 different 
> sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from the settings. When one’s 
> new to the keyboard i’d recommend the largest size.
> /Krister
> 
>> 5 apr. 2016 kl. 01:34 skrev Alan Lemly :
>> 
>> Chuck,
>>  
>> I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it. I'm trying to 
>> make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like they say, practice 
>> makes perfect, or in this case, practice does give you better results.
>>  
>> After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up and 
>> you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and let you copy 
>> it for pasting to the app of your choice.
>>  
>> You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of with the 
>> spacebar present. This will present the keyboard more like the original 
>> Fleksy app. You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger 
>> swipe down in the keyboard area. A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal 
>> Fleksy keyboard will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.
>>  
>> Good luck.
>>  
>> Alan
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Chuck Dean
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
>> To: VIPhone
>> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
>>  
>>>  Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job! 
>>  
>>> However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results. It's first 
>>> prediction is wrong about 99% of the time. Second or third prediction is 
>>> usually the correct one.
>>  
>> I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember that it 
>> does have a learning future with in it. It is technically faster than the  
>> iOS keyboard, but it is very frustrating! 
>>  
>> By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing with it. 
>> It got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the options no longer work. 
>> Although messages and email still work.
>> But as I typed, no text was displayed.
>> Chuck
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Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I shouldn’t bother to give any help on this topic since the unanymous vote of 
the blind community is that it is useless and those who think differently get 
flogged, but here goes: The keyboard can be resized. There are 3 different 
sizes of the keyboard and you can select size from the settings. When one’s new 
to the keyboard i’d recommend the largest size.
/Krister

> 5 apr. 2016 kl. 01:34 skrev Alan Lemly :
> 
> Chuck,
>  
> I still find the Fleksy VO app very useful and still use it. I'm trying to 
> make myself use the Fleksy Keyboard more often since like they say, practice 
> makes perfect, or in this case, practice does give you better results.
>  
> After you type what you need with Fleksy VO, do a 2 finger swipe up and 
> you'll be taken to the screen where VO will read your input and let you copy 
> it for pasting to the app of your choice.
>  
> You might try using the Fleksy Keyboard in minimal mode instead of with the 
> spacebar present. This will present the keyboard more like the original 
> Fleksy app. You can switch from the spacebar keyboard by doing a 2 finger 
> swipe down in the keyboard area. A 2 finger swipe up while in the minimal 
> Fleksy keyboard will switch back to the Fleksy spacebar keyboard.
>  
> Good luck.
>  
> Alan
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chuck Dean
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:51 PM
> To: VIPhone
> Subject: Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?
>  
>>  Hi Alan, I read your tutorial, excellent job! 
>  
>> However, I went back and tried Fleksy and had very poor results. It's first 
>> prediction is wrong about 99% of the time. Second or third prediction is 
>> usually the correct one.
>  
> I do not know if this will improve over time, I seem to remember that it does 
> have a learning future with in it. It is technically faster than the  iOS 
> keyboard, but it is very frustrating! 
>  
> By the way, I went back to my old Fleksy VO app, and tried typing with it. It 
> got every word right! Unfortunately, many of the options no longer work. 
> Although messages and email still work.
> But as I typed, no text was displayed.
> Chuck
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Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Krister Ekstrom]

It’s a bit of a learning curve, but once you get the hang of it, it’s great. 
/Krister

> 5 apr. 2016 kl. 00:15 skrev Chuck Dean :
> 
> Thanks Alan, I found your tutorial with a search of the B iPhone topics. I 
> will read it thoroughly, and hopefully I will be able to use this app. But, I 
> haven't had much success.
> Chuck
> 
> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 2:28:04 PM UTC-7, Chuck Dean wrote:
> Hello all,
> I used to be a big fan of the Flexi keyboard, but since it's updates to being 
> a third-party keyboard, I have had absolutely no success typing with this 
> thing. 
> Whenever I type a word it types gibberish as my first selection, and usually 
> my second or third selection is what I actually typed. Even when I type the 
> word I, it gives me the wrong letter!
> 
> Am I doing something wrong, or is everybody else having as much trouble with 
> this keyboard as I am?
> 
> I remember the old Fleksy V.O., which worked absolutely perfectly. It was 
> fantastic for the visually impaired, and I used it constantly. I could type 
> on it five times faster than any other keyboard I've come across. But they no 
> longer supported. 
> I guess it work too good!
> 
> I have tried the Swift Key keyboard, with some success. It is not nearly as 
> fast as the old Fleksy V.O. 
> Chuck
> 
> P.S. I noticed that they no longer have the Wii love feedback but in their 
> app. Now they expect you to go to Facebook, which I am not a member.
> 
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Re: Is anybody having any success with the Fleksy keyboard?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I am using it every day and love it.
/Krister

> 4 apr. 2016 kl. 23:40 skrev englishride...@gmail.com:
> 
> Chuck, I can't remember who wrote it, but somebody did a very extensive 
> review of Fleksy on this list. I can't remember their suggestions, but I took 
> them up on them, and while I haven't used Fleksy in a while, it worked quite 
> well when I did.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> I used to be a big fan of the Flexi keyboard, but since it's updates to 
>> being a third-party keyboard, I have had absolutely no success typing with 
>> this thing. 
>> Whenever I type a word it types gibberish as my first selection, and usually 
>> my second or third selection is what I actually typed. Even when I type the 
>> word I, it gives me the wrong letter!
>> 
>> Am I doing something wrong, or is everybody else having as much trouble with 
>> this keyboard as I am?
>> 
>> I remember the old Fleksy V.O., which worked absolutely perfectly. It was 
>> fantastic for the visually impaired, and I used it constantly. I could type 
>> on it five times faster than any other keyboard I've come across. But they 
>> no longer supported. 
>> I guess it work too good!
>> 
>> I have tried the Swift Key keyboard, with some success. It is not nearly as 
>> fast as the old Fleksy V.O. 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> P.S. I noticed that they no longer have the Wii love feedback but in their 
>> app. Now they expect you to go to Facebook, which I am not a member.
>> 
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