Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense

[Mary Otten]

Are used to think it was a fabulous app, Richard. But now unless this can be 
fixed, I'm just about done with it. I can't tell you how much time I spent 
redoing my library. Now if all of the stuff I redid Plus all new downloads 
since then and prior to the update, with the interesting exception of PDFs that 
came from the net, is going to be dead, and thus far I have literally tried a 
dozen books, all of them screwed up, I just don't know. It's not worth it.
Mary


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> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Mary,
> You could also try a screen shot and send him the photo.
> It is such a fabulous app, I'm sorry it has been going south for you.
> Richard
> 
> 
> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
> - Satsuki Shibuya
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mary,
>>  
>> If you can reproduce the error message try letting Voiceover read the entire 
>> thing and then use a 3-finger quadruple tap to copy the last spoken message 
>> to your clipboard. You could, of course, use one of your iDevices to record 
>> the message as Voiceover reads it on the other one.
>>  
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 8:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense
>>  
>> Hi Richard,
>> I wasn't able to send the exact error message to Winston, because they 
>> select text feature didn't work there, much to my great sorrow. So all I 
>> could do was send him an approximation. I guess I just don't have a voice 
>> dream reader luck. This app has been so much trouble ever since the big 
>> update. I just kind of wish I'd never gone there.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> I just opened 5 books from bookshare that I had downloaded a month or more 
>> ago, but had not started reading. I updated Voice Dream when the update came 
>> out.
>> I have had no issues like yours at all. They all read just fine.
>> I know you will probably already have done this, but for sure send the error 
>> message to Winston and see if he has any idea what would cause that.
>> It sounds like an incomplete download or a internet connection issue.
>> But, that is speculating far out of my league.
>> Richard
>>  
>> 
>> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
>> - Satsuki Shibuya
>>  
>>  
>> (Sent from my iPod 6)
>> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say, I am really disgusted with this app, which used to be so 
>> reliable, before the update, and now before this most recent update. I 
>> wonder if anyone has run across the following problem. If you are a book 
>> share user, and you have downloaded books before the most recent update, and 
>> you have iCloud sink in abled, what happens if you try to open a book share 
>> book which looks like it should be OK according to the listing in voice 
>> dream reader. That is, your book says the title and the author and the fact 
>> that it is a daisy book and 0% read, assuming you haven't read any of it. 
>> Double tap on this, and you get an error message saying that the file 
>> something about metadata is not available and therefore cannot be saved. 
>> Well I'm not trying to save anything, I just want to read the book. If you 
>> hit OK on that error message, you still can't read the book. I'm sorry but 
>> this is ridiculous. This app used to be very very reliable. Then we got 
>> iCloud sink, which for some of us was a disaster. So then I redid my entire 
>> library, and now it appears that most everything in there is going to be 
>> unusable because of some stupid error message. This is just not OK.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense

[Richard Turner]

Mary,
You could also try a screen shot and send him the photo.
It is such a fabulous app, I'm sorry it has been going south for you.
Richard


“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

Hi Mary,

If you can reproduce the error message try letting Voiceover read the entire 
thing and then use a 3-finger quadruple tap to copy the last spoken message to 
your clipboard. You could, of course, use one of your iDevices to record the 
message as Voiceover reads it on the other one.


Regards,
Sieghard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense

Hi Richard,
I wasn't able to send the exact error message to Winston, because they select 
text feature didn't work there, much to my great sorrow. So all I could do was 
send him an approximation. I guess I just don't have a voice dream reader luck. 
This app has been so much trouble ever since the big update. I just kind of 
wish I'd never gone there.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
Mary,
I just opened 5 books from bookshare that I had downloaded a month or more ago, 
but had not started reading. I updated Voice Dream when the update came out.
I have had no issues like yours at all. They all read just fine.
I know you will probably already have done this, but for sure send the error 
message to Winston and see if he has any idea what would cause that.
It sounds like an incomplete download or a internet connection issue.
But, that is speculating far out of my league.
Richard

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:
I have to say, I am really disgusted with this app, which used to be so 
reliable, before the update, and now before this most recent update. I wonder 
if anyone has run across the following problem. If you are a book share user, 
and you have downloaded books before the most recent update, and you have 
iCloud sink in abled, what happens if you try to open a book share book which 
looks like it should be OK according to the listing in voice dream reader. That 
is, your book says the title and the author and the fact that it is a daisy 
book and 0% read, assuming you haven't read any of it. Double tap on this, and 
you get an error message saying that the file something about metadata is not 
available and therefore cannot be saved. Well I'm not trying to save anything, 
I just want to read the book. If you hit OK on that error message, you still 
can't read the book. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. This app used to be very 
very reliable. Then we got iCloud sink, which for some of us was a disaster. So 
then I redid my entire library, and now it appears that most everything in 
there is going to be unusable because of some stupid error message. This is 
just not OK.
Mary


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Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense

[Mary Otten]

Good idea. Since we got the new text selection and copy features back in iOS 9, 
I have really not thought about that clipboard copy feature. I never really 
used it much anyway. But this would be a good time for it. If Winston doesn't 
understand what I'm talking about with my approximation, I will definitely send 
him the exact message. It's easy to duplicate, since I have a lot of books and 
they are all displaying this problem. I can not understand why bunches of books 
that all look just fine all have the same problem. I can't believe I have that 
bad of a connection over that much time.
Mary


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> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> If you can reproduce the error message try letting Voiceover read the entire 
> thing and then use a 3-finger quadruple tap to copy the last spoken message 
> to your clipboard. You could, of course, use one of your iDevices to record 
> the message as Voiceover reads it on the other one.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense
>  
> Hi Richard,
> I wasn't able to send the exact error message to Winston, because they select 
> text feature didn't work there, much to my great sorrow. So all I could do 
> was send him an approximation. I guess I just don't have a voice dream reader 
> luck. This app has been so much trouble ever since the big update. I just 
> kind of wish I'd never gone there.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> I just opened 5 books from bookshare that I had downloaded a month or more 
> ago, but had not started reading. I updated Voice Dream when the update came 
> out.
> I have had no issues like yours at all. They all read just fine.
> I know you will probably already have done this, but for sure send the error 
> message to Winston and see if he has any idea what would cause that.
> It sounds like an incomplete download or a internet connection issue.
> But, that is speculating far out of my league.
> Richard
>  
> 
> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
> - Satsuki Shibuya
>  
>  
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have to say, I am really disgusted with this app, which used to be so 
> reliable, before the update, and now before this most recent update. I wonder 
> if anyone has run across the following problem. If you are a book share user, 
> and you have downloaded books before the most recent update, and you have 
> iCloud sink in abled, what happens if you try to open a book share book which 
> looks like it should be OK according to the listing in voice dream reader. 
> That is, your book says the title and the author and the fact that it is a 
> daisy book and 0% read, assuming you haven't read any of it. Double tap on 
> this, and you get an error message saying that the file something about 
> metadata is not available and therefore cannot be saved. Well I'm not trying 
> to save anything, I just want to read the book. If you hit OK on that error 
> message, you still can't read the book. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. 
> This app used to be very very reliable. Then we got iCloud sink, which for 
> some of us was a disaster. So then I redid my entire library, and now it 
> appears that most everything in there is going to be unusable because of some 
> stupid error message. This is just not OK.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Moore voice dream reader nonsense

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

If you can reproduce the error message try letting Voiceover read the entire 
thing and then use a 3-finger quadruple tap to copy the last spoken message to 
your clipboard. You could, of course, use one of your iDevices to record the 
message as Voiceover reads it on the other one.


Regards,
Sieghard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense

Hi Richard,
I wasn't able to send the exact error message to Winston, because they select 
text feature didn't work there, much to my great sorrow. So all I could do was 
send him an approximation. I guess I just don't have a voice dream reader luck. 
This app has been so much trouble ever since the big update. I just kind of 
wish I'd never gone there.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
Mary,
I just opened 5 books from bookshare that I had downloaded a month or more ago, 
but had not started reading. I updated Voice Dream when the update came out.
I have had no issues like yours at all. They all read just fine.
I know you will probably already have done this, but for sure send the error 
message to Winston and see if he has any idea what would cause that.
It sounds like an incomplete download or a internet connection issue.
But, that is speculating far out of my league.
Richard

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:
I have to say, I am really disgusted with this app, which used to be so 
reliable, before the update, and now before this most recent update. I wonder 
if anyone has run across the following problem. If you are a book share user, 
and you have downloaded books before the most recent update, and you have 
iCloud sink in abled, what happens if you try to open a book share book which 
looks like it should be OK according to the listing in voice dream reader. That 
is, your book says the title and the author and the fact that it is a daisy 
book and 0% read, assuming you haven't read any of it. Double tap on this, and 
you get an error message saying that the file something about metadata is not 
available and therefore cannot be saved. Well I'm not trying to save anything, 
I just want to read the book. If you hit OK on that error message, you still 
can't read the book. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. This app used to be very 
very reliable. Then we got iCloud sink, which for some of us was a disaster. So 
then I redid my entire library, and now it appears that most everything in 
there is going to be unusable because of some stupid error message. This is 
just not OK.
Mary


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Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense

[Mary Otten]

Hi Richard,
I wasn't able to send the exact error message to Winston, because they select 
text feature didn't work there, much to my great sorrow. So all I could do was 
send him an approximation. I guess I just don't have a voice dream reader luck. 
This app has been so much trouble ever since the big update. I just kind of 
wish I'd never gone there.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> I just opened 5 books from bookshare that I had downloaded a month or more 
> ago, but had not started reading. I updated Voice Dream when the update came 
> out.
> I have had no issues like yours at all. They all read just fine.
> I know you will probably already have done this, but for sure send the error 
> message to Winston and see if he has any idea what would cause that.
> It sounds like an incomplete download or a internet connection issue.
> But, that is speculating far out of my league.
> Richard
> 
> 
> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
> - Satsuki Shibuya
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> I have to say, I am really disgusted with this app, which used to be so 
>> reliable, before the update, and now before this most recent update. I 
>> wonder if anyone has run across the following problem. If you are a book 
>> share user, and you have downloaded books before the most recent update, and 
>> you have iCloud sink in abled, what happens if you try to open a book share 
>> book which looks like it should be OK according to the listing in voice 
>> dream reader. That is, your book says the title and the author and the fact 
>> that it is a daisy book and 0% read, assuming you haven't read any of it. 
>> Double tap on this, and you get an error message saying that the file 
>> something about metadata is not available and therefore cannot be saved. 
>> Well I'm not trying to save anything, I just want to read the book. If you 
>> hit OK on that error message, you still can't read the book. I'm sorry but 
>> this is ridiculous. This app used to be very very reliable. Then we got 
>> iCloud sink, which for some of us was a disaster. So then I redid my entire 
>> library, and now it appears that most everything in there is going to be 
>> unusable because of some stupid error message. This is just not OK.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense

[Richard Turner]

Mary,
I just opened 5 books from bookshare that I had downloaded a month or more ago, 
but had not started reading. I updated Voice Dream when the update came out.
I have had no issues like yours at all. They all read just fine.
I know you will probably already have done this, but for sure send the error 
message to Winston and see if he has any idea what would cause that.
It sounds like an incomplete download or a internet connection issue.
But, that is speculating far out of my league.
Richard


"By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

I have to say, I am really disgusted with this app, which used to be so 
reliable, before the update, and now before this most recent update. I wonder 
if anyone has run across the following problem. If you are a book share user, 
and you have downloaded books before the most recent update, and you have 
iCloud sink in abled, what happens if you try to open a book share book which 
looks like it should be OK according to the listing in voice dream reader. That 
is, your book says the title and the author and the fact that it is a daisy 
book and 0% read, assuming you haven't read any of it. Double tap on this, and 
you get an error message saying that the file something about metadata is not 
available and therefore cannot be saved. Well I'm not trying to save anything, 
I just want to read the book. If you hit OK on that error message, you still 
can't read the book. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. This app used to be very 
very reliable. Then we got iCloud sink, which for some of us was a disaster. So 
then I redid my entire library, and now it appears that most everything in 
there is going to be unusable because of some stupid error message. This is 
just not OK.
Mary


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RE: Internet browser on Apple TV

[Sieghard Weitzel]

This is one of the things I am surprised about. I would have thought Apple by 
now would have released a Safari app for the Apple TV. I can only assume they 
are also not allowing companies like Firefox or Atomic to make web browsers for 
the Apple TV for some reason.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Internet browser on Apple TV

Hi,

It's possible in a round about way but it doesn't support flash.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/3/16, MamaPeach  wrote:
> There is no internet browser.
>
> From: Gianni
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Internet browser on Apple TV
>
> Hello everyone,
> I have a question about the apple tv. Is it already possible to install an
> internet browser on the latest Apple tv? If yes, can you play websites with
> flash on it?
>
>
>
> Gianni
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> Skype: giannijuve
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RE: purpose of apple tv

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Kliphton,

Just thought I add to your very good and concise post about the Apple TV that 
even though Donald Trump may not agree, the world is larger than the United 
States and all these channels you can watch/listen to on the Apple TV if you 
have an existing subscription are limited to the US. Fanus is in South Africa 
and I’m in Canada and while we have Netflix here, there is a lot less content 
available than on the american Netflix due to copyright and licensing issues 
and most of the other ones you mentioned are not available even in Canada let 
alone elsewhere in the world. I find it amazing how some companies tute their 
horn about all these great devices but they forget to mention that you can only 
get them in the United States, Amazon is one example.

Fanus, as for the Apple TV, it still is a wonderful device even in Canada since 
it does allow me to  use apps like Youtube, many apps from tech sites like 
Engadget, Twit TV and also Podcasts. I can stream music and of course movies I 
bought from iTunes, you can rent iTunes movies which I assume is available in 
many countries and Netflix is also available in many countries and it’s 
probably the most accessible experience on the Apple TV. Furthermore I can 
Airplay anything from my iPhone to the Apple TV even if there I sno native app 
and if I want to show photos to friends on the big screen then I can also do 
that.

It’s not a super expensive device as Apple things are concerned and as Kliphton 
said, it is fully accessible with it’s own version of Voiceover. It’s a pretty 
good device to have if you are at all invested in the Apple Echo system and in 
the future it will also play nice with many home automation devices if you are 
into this type of stuff.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kliphton Miller
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: purpose of apple tv

Well, it does more than stream music an movies.  You can log in to most 
channels offered buy a service provider like time warner, comcast, or direct.  
Of course you must pay for these subscriptions, or get someone to share there 
info with you.  The appleTV also has some games to be played on it.  My 
favorite app is infuse, this allows me to stream my entire movie collection to 
my appleTV4 without using iTunes, or having to leave my mac on for Plex or some 
other third party.  And the best part about it, I don’t have to convert my 
movie files in to mp4, they can be any format and infuse will stream them.  The 
most important thing for most of us, is we don’t need sited help to control the 
appleTV, voiceover reads everything on the screen so we can control HBO, 
netflix, Hulu, or whatever service you are using, including the network TV apps 
at that have on demand content.
On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Fanus 
> wrote:

Hello Sieghard and list
Please pardon my stupid question but can anyone in a few sentences explain the 
purpose of the apple tv. Is it only for downloading and playing music and 
movies on the tv or can one control the tv set to a certain extent i.e. can one 
hear the menu and shedule normal tv programs etc.?
I am not a movie fan so I ask this question on behalf of a blind friend who 
wants to access the tv.
Regards
Fanus


From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 5:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

Keep in mind that you can dictate anywhere including spelling passwords and 
user names. Also, if you have a bluetooth keyboard you can pair it for easier 
typing and in fact you can pretty much control the Apple TV completely with a 
bluetooth keyboard. Only thing I can't remember now is if there is a way to 
invoke SIRI with a bluetooth keyboard.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terri Stimmel
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

Hello to Daniel and all who have helped me with my Apple tv, so far. I really 
appreciate it.


I really dislike saying this, because I was so hesetant to purchase it.
But I absolutely love it! I think it's awesome!


My friend helped me set it up, because I didn't see the message in time,
telling me how to start voiceover. But once we got voiceover on, I took
it over.

I actually like the little gesture area. I thought it would be very
difficult to use. But not at all. And I like how you press the little
clicker thing at the end. Ok, surely not the propper name for it. LOL!

The keyboard is still a bit confusing to me. But overall I like the new
set up so far. I find it faster to choose letters, and such.


Also, one feature I really loved, was how easy it was to 

RE: Apps Updating Even When Background Refresh Is Off

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Arnold,

This is not correct, Background App Refresh has absolutely nothing to do with 
apps updating automatically, it simply determines whether apps for which 
background app refresh is on do exactly that "refresh when they are in the 
background" and this refers to content only, not to actual apps updating to a 
newer version. Here is what Apple has to say about Background App Refresh:

Use Background App Refresh

After you switch to a different app, some apps run for a short period of time 
before they're set to a suspended state. Apps that are in a suspended state 
aren’t actively in use, open, or taking up system resources.
With Background App Refresh, suspended apps can check for updates and new 
content. 
If you want suspended apps to check for new content, go to Settings > General > 
Background App Refresh and turn on Background App Refresh.
If you quit an app from the app switcher, it might not be able to run or check 
for new content before you open it again.

Whether apps update automatically or wait for you to initiate the update 
manually is entirely determined in Settings > iTunes and App Store.
Note that there is a difference between turning on or off "Apps" and "Updates".
The heading says "Automatic Downloads" and the explanation says "Automatically 
download new purchases, including free, made on other devices".
The items you can turn on or off are this:
Music
Apps
Books and Audio Books
Updates
Maybe this is a bit misleading although it's clear to me. The first 3 refer to 
automatic downloads for purchases made on other devices. For example, if you 
turn on all 3, Music, Apps as well as Books and Audio Books, then if you 
purchase any of these let's say on an ipad or in iTunes on your computer the 
items will automatically download to your iPhone.
The last item, Updates, has nothing to do with purchases made on other devices 
since updates aren't purchases. You can trust me that if you make sure this is 
turned off then none of your apps will update automatically since "Automatic 
downloads for updates" is off. What I am not sure about is whether if you have 
Apps turned on and an app is updated on another device whether that will then 
also happen on your iPhone. I actually doubt it, but I'm not sure. This of 
course only applies anyways if you have Automatic Downloads for apps purchased 
on other devices turned on, if you want to be sure just turn off both Apps and 
Updates.
As for Background App Refresh, you can also turn most of them off, it will save 
you some battery especially if you keep apps open in the app switcher. If you 
are like me and remove everything from the app switcher that you don't use all 
the time several times a day then it doesn't matter anyways, you can have 
Background App Refresh turned on for every single app and as long as said app 
is not actually running in the app switcher (suspended or not) nothing happens.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apps Updating Even When Background Refresh Is Off

That was already off. As I read it, that setting has to do with automaticly  
updating apps that were downloaded or updated on another device on more Apple 
ID. Background App Refresh allows apps already on my device to update in the 
background without my telling them to update. Either way, both settings ′were, 
and are, off, yet, for example, Voice Dream Reader updated yesterday  
automatically. I hope I can get this stopped, before something updates to an 
unaccessible version without my permission. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:03 AM, Rajmund  wrote:

Hello, settings, iTunes and app store. Here, turn off automatic updates.




Sent from an iPad Air

> On 2 Nov 2016, at 10:19 pm, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know how to stop this? Background App Refresh definitely is off, 
> but some apps still update automatically. It started  after updating to  IOS 
> 10. 
> 
> Thanks for any information. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
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Moore voice dream reader nonsense

[Mary Otten]

I have to say, I am really disgusted with this app, which used to be so 
reliable, before the update, and now before this most recent update. I wonder 
if anyone has run across the following problem. If you are a book share user, 
and you have downloaded books before the most recent update, and you have 
iCloud sink in abled, what happens if you try to open a book share book which 
looks like it should be OK according to the listing in voice dream reader. That 
is, your book says the title and the author and the fact that it is a daisy 
book and 0% read, assuming you haven't read any of it. Double tap on this, and 
you get an error message saying that the file something about metadata is not 
available and therefore cannot be saved. Well I'm not trying to save anything, 
I just want to read the book. If you hit OK on that error message, you still 
can't read the book. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. This app used to be very 
very reliable. Then we got iCloud sink, which for some of us was a disaster. So 
then I redid my entire library, and now it appears that most everything in 
there is going to be unusable because of some stupid error message. This is 
just not OK.
Mary


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Re: The Bose sound link speaker

[Feliciano Godoy]

Sorry i ment  auxiliary. AutoCorrect corrected  AUX to six. Sorry

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On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Jim Portillo 
> wrote:

Oh, perfect!!  Absolutely wonderful.
I'm going to have to try that when I get home.
One more question though.
You said that the button next to the power (second button going from left to 
right) was 6. What does that mean?

Sent from my iPhone 7!

On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Feliciano Godoy 
> wrote:

I have one. From left to right.
Power
Six
Bluetooth
Mute
Volume down
Volume up
To delete all paired devices with the unit on, press and hold the Bluetooth 
button for about 8 seconds. The unit will beep when deleted. To pair, press 
Bluetooth button. If you had, paired your device to it, you will have to forget 
the device if you deleted all devices from the unit.

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On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Jennie Facer 
> wrote:

Hi Jim,

I first wanted to know what kind of link is it? Is it the first gen? I have 
that and I'm not sure how to tell you how to delete the other devices, but I 
can tell you how to pair yours. Let me know if it is first generation and if 
so, I'll try to explain the buttons to you.

Jenn

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On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Jim Portillo 
> wrote:

Hello,

I just acquired a Bose sound link speaker. It was originally owned by a friend 
of mine. I'm trying to do a couple things. First, I'm trying to figure out the 
buttons. Second, I'm trying to see if I can delete the two devices that were 
previously paired or connected to this device. Is there a way to do this, or 
would she have to do it from her devices? My friend was unfamiliar with some of 
the buttons and couldn't tell me what they did. Does anybody have any 
experience with one of the speakers? They sound great! I'd like to get mine 
working with my devices.
Jim

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Re: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

[Mary Otten]

I also bought Jonathan's book, and I even read it. But of course, that doesn't 
mean I remember everything in it. So I was just hoping maybe there was a way 
and you remembered.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I bought Jonathan's book, but haven't had time to read it yet. So far I have 
> only used my keyboard for doing longer text entry so I can't say if there is. 
> I know one can dictate now, but I still find it easier and quicker to enter 
> my email address and password to log into an app with a bluetooth keyboard, I 
> use very complicated and often long passwords and had mixed results trying to 
> use SIRI and dictation.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 8:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Loving Apple tv, have more questions
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> I really like using a Bluetooth keyboard with the Apple TV. But regarding 
> controlling the system, is there a way to do a two finger flick up equivalent 
> with the Bluetooth keyboard?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Keep in mind that you can dictate anywhere including spelling passwords and 
>> user names. Also, if you have a bluetooth keyboard you can pair it for 
>> easier typing and in fact you can pretty much control the Apple TV 
>> completely with a bluetooth keyboard. Only thing I can't remember now is if 
>> there is a way to invoke SIRI with a bluetooth keyboard.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Terri Stimmel
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Loving Apple tv, have more questions
>> 
>> Hello to Daniel and all who have helped me with my Apple tv, so far. I 
>> really appreciate it.
>> 
>> 
>> I really dislike saying this, because I was so hesetant to purchase it. 
>> But I absolutely love it! I think it's awesome!
>> 
>> 
>> My friend helped me set it up, because I didn't see the message in 
>> time, telling me how to start voiceover. But once we got voiceover on, 
>> I took it over.
>> 
>> I actually like the little gesture area. I thought it would be very 
>> difficult to use. But not at all. And I like how you press the little 
>> clicker thing at the end. Ok, surely not the propper name for it. LOL!
>> 
>> The keyboard is still a bit confusing to me. But overall I like the 
>> new set up so far. I find it faster to choose letters, and such.
>> 
>> 
>> Also, one feature I really loved, was how easy it was to set it up, 
>> and connect to my network. I liked how I unlocked my phone, and held 
>> it near the tv. That was too cool how it used the bluetooth. The set 
>> up was flawless.
>> 
>> 
>> I haven't done much with it, beyond that. Mainly, because I am not 
>> sure what to do.
>> 
>> 
>> How do I get my apps like, CBS, Hulu, and Netflix on there?
>> 
>> Even if they are on my Ipad, and I have subscriptions, do I have to 
>> download them on to the Apple TV?
>> 
>> I couldn't find an area where I could see all my apps. But maybe I 
>> don't know where to look.
>> 
>> 
>> Also, if I want other free or subscription-based apps for movies, or 
>> tv shows, how do I go about finding such stuff?
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I don't know many apps, and I honestly don't know how 
>> to search for such things.
>> 
>> I'd like to find apps that are pretty accessible. But I'd try some 
>> apps just to check them out as well, if I knew how to find them.
>> 
>> 
>> Also, how do you know which news apps give broadcasts of stories, and 
>> not just articles?
>> 
>> I know NPR has a news app.
>> 
>> 
>> Any help with any of this would be much appreciated. I'm going to mess 
>> around with the Apple tv more, tomorrow. I am definitely happy I 
>> bought it. I can't believe now that I was so intimidated by it.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/2/2016 9:42 AM, Daniel L. Gervais wrote:
>>> Hi Terri,
>>> 
>>> I think you will enjoy your new Apple TV, I know I bought the exact same 
>>> one and I love it.
>>> 
>>> As for the remote, below the gesture area, from the top left going down, 
>>> you have the Menu, Siri and Play/Pause buttons.  From the top right going 
>>> down, you have the Home button and below that is the Volume Up and Down 
>>> rocker.
>>> 
>>> To enable VoiceOver, simply press the Play/Pause button three times and 
>>> after a few tries, VoiceOver should begin speaking.
>>> 
>>> When inputting text, the keyboard is layed out a little diffrently with the 
>>> first row being the letters A to Z and the next row below being the numbers 
>>> and punctuation symbols.  Below that row is buttons to toggle between 
>>> lowercase and uppercase letters, but if 

RE: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

I bought Jonathan's book, but haven't had time to read it yet. So far I have 
only used my keyboard for doing longer text entry so I can't say if there is. I 
know one can dictate now, but I still find it easier and quicker to enter my 
email address and password to log into an app with a bluetooth keyboard, I use 
very complicated and often long passwords and had mixed results trying to use 
SIRI and dictation.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

Hi Sieghard,
I really like using a Bluetooth keyboard with the Apple TV. But regarding 
controlling the system, is there a way to do a two finger flick up equivalent 
with the Bluetooth keyboard?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Keep in mind that you can dictate anywhere including spelling passwords and 
> user names. Also, if you have a bluetooth keyboard you can pair it for easier 
> typing and in fact you can pretty much control the Apple TV completely with a 
> bluetooth keyboard. Only thing I can't remember now is if there is a way to 
> invoke SIRI with a bluetooth keyboard.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Loving Apple tv, have more questions
> 
> Hello to Daniel and all who have helped me with my Apple tv, so far. I really 
> appreciate it.
> 
> 
> I really dislike saying this, because I was so hesetant to purchase it. 
> But I absolutely love it! I think it's awesome!
> 
> 
> My friend helped me set it up, because I didn't see the message in 
> time, telling me how to start voiceover. But once we got voiceover on, 
> I took it over.
> 
> I actually like the little gesture area. I thought it would be very 
> difficult to use. But not at all. And I like how you press the little 
> clicker thing at the end. Ok, surely not the propper name for it. LOL!
> 
> The keyboard is still a bit confusing to me. But overall I like the 
> new set up so far. I find it faster to choose letters, and such.
> 
> 
> Also, one feature I really loved, was how easy it was to set it up, 
> and connect to my network. I liked how I unlocked my phone, and held 
> it near the tv. That was too cool how it used the bluetooth. The set 
> up was flawless.
> 
> 
> I haven't done much with it, beyond that. Mainly, because I am not 
> sure what to do.
> 
> 
> How do I get my apps like, CBS, Hulu, and Netflix on there?
> 
> Even if they are on my Ipad, and I have subscriptions, do I have to 
> download them on to the Apple TV?
> 
> I couldn't find an area where I could see all my apps. But maybe I 
> don't know where to look.
> 
> 
> Also, if I want other free or subscription-based apps for movies, or 
> tv shows, how do I go about finding such stuff?
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't know many apps, and I honestly don't know how 
> to search for such things.
> 
> I'd like to find apps that are pretty accessible. But I'd try some 
> apps just to check them out as well, if I knew how to find them.
> 
> 
> Also, how do you know which news apps give broadcasts of stories, and 
> not just articles?
> 
> I know NPR has a news app.
> 
> 
> Any help with any of this would be much appreciated. I'm going to mess 
> around with the Apple tv more, tomorrow. I am definitely happy I 
> bought it. I can't believe now that I was so intimidated by it.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
> 
> 
>> On 11/2/2016 9:42 AM, Daniel L. Gervais wrote:
>> Hi Terri,
>> 
>> I think you will enjoy your new Apple TV, I know I bought the exact same one 
>> and I love it.
>> 
>> As for the remote, below the gesture area, from the top left going down, you 
>> have the Menu, Siri and Play/Pause buttons.  From the top right going down, 
>> you have the Home button and below that is the Volume Up and Down rocker.
>> 
>> To enable VoiceOver, simply press the Play/Pause button three times and 
>> after a few tries, VoiceOver should begin speaking.
>> 
>> When inputting text, the keyboard is layed out a little diffrently with the 
>> first row being the letters A to Z and the next row below being the numbers 
>> and punctuation symbols.  Below that row is buttons to toggle between 
>> lowercase and uppercase letters, but if you press the Play/Pause button, 
>> this will do the same.
>> 
>> You can also use Siri to dictate anything in an edit field, this also 
>> includes passwords.  Simply press and hold the Siri button and dictate.  
>> When you're done, let go of the button and your text will be inputted.
>> 
>> While on the Home screen, you can even ask Siri, by pressing and holding 
>> while you talk and letting go when your done.
>> 
>> You can always 

Re: The Bose sound link speaker

[Jim Portillo]

Oh, perfect!!  Absolutely wonderful.
I'm going to have to try that when I get home.  
One more question though.
You said that the button next to the power (second button going from left to 
right) was 6. What does that mean?  

Sent from my iPhone 7!

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
> I have one. From left to right.
> Power
> Six
> Bluetooth 
> Mute
> Volume down 
> Volume up
> To delete all paired devices with the unit on, press and hold the Bluetooth 
> button for about 8 seconds. The unit will beep when deleted. To pair, press 
> Bluetooth button. If you had, paired your device to it, you will have to 
> forget the device if you deleted all devices from the unit. 
> 
> Regards,
> Feliciano
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> On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>> I first wanted to know what kind of link is it? Is it the first gen? I have 
>> that and I'm not sure how to tell you how to delete the other devices, but I 
>> can tell you how to pair yours. Let me know if it is first generation and if 
>> so, I'll try to explain the buttons to you. 
>> 
>> Jenn 
>> 
>> Sent from Jennie Facer's iPad Pro!
>> 
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Jim Portillo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I just acquired a Bose sound link speaker. It was originally owned by a 
>>> friend of mine. I'm trying to do a couple things. First, I'm trying to 
>>> figure out the buttons. Second, I'm trying to see if I can delete the two 
>>> devices that were previously paired or connected to this device. Is there a 
>>> way to do this, or would she have to do it from her devices? My friend was 
>>> unfamiliar with some of the buttons and couldn't tell me what they did. 
>>> Does anybody have any experience with one of the speakers? They sound 
>>> great! I'd like to get mine working with my devices.
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7!
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RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Lucky for you, you must be the one in a million.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 7:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

I have owned an iPhone since the 3GS in 2009, and have never had a crash. Can’t 
say the same for computers. LOL!
Andy

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update
There will always be crashes, I recently went to the Apple Store in Calgary 
because my iPhone 6S Plus shut down several times when I was out and about and 
when it was a bit colder outside. I keep the iPhone against my body so even 
when it’s cold and I pull it out the phone is warm and while I could see it 
shutting off when it’s -30 outside and I keep it out for a longer period of 
time, it was not even 0 (or 32 as you americans would say). It was a few 
degrees above 0, so around the mid to high 30’s) and whenever I restarted the 
phone I would barely put in my PIN when it shut down again. Anyhow, I had 
iPhones since the 4S in 2010 and none of them has ever done this so I assumed 
it was maybe a faulty sensor inside the phone. The girl at the Apple Store ran 
the full diagnostic and said she could see multiple crashes and suggested that 
it is a good idea to reboot iPhones in general maybe once a week as this helps 
to avoid certain issues which may arise when a phone has not been rebooted for 
a very long time. Anyhow, I then upgraded to iOS 10.1.1 and the problem of my 
phone shutting down persisted so I went back to the Apple Store, explained the 
issue to a different Apple Genious and he agreed that this sounded strange and 
since I have Apple Care Plus he replaced my phone. Since this was a warranty 
replacement and not an accidental damage replacement this didn’t cost me a dime 
except of course the time it took to get my new phone going again. Since it’s 
been some time when I set up as a new phone I decided to do this. Calgary is 
not home so I had brought my laptop and did it at the Apple Store, a very nice 
guy at the “setup table” helped me throughout the process since I had all my 
apps on my laptop with the latest updates and thought it would be faster to 
sync them than to redownload them one by one. Since of course this is not 
currently possible with Windows, Jaws and iTunes, the Apple guy checked off all 
the apps I wanted and then got the sync going.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

Hello Chip,

I already did the update and it caused the same problem again. I sent the crash 
log to Apple.

Cheers,

Anne



On 3 Nov 2016, at 18:09, Chip Orange 
> wrote:

Sorry, I have the version incorrect in previous message, and I did mean 10.1.1

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

There is an update to IOS 10.2 available, perhaps you’d like to try this to see 
if it’s a bug they’ve already fixed?

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

I’m currently doing a complete restore of my iPhone, which means I’ll have to 
download all the Navigon maps and fix other settings.
The problem occurred at home with a good connexion to our network. I find it 
interesting that turning VoiceOver off cures the problem, so the internet 
connexion couldn’t be the issue.

Cheers,

Anne



On 30 Oct 2016, at 22:39, Feliciano Godoy 
> wrote:

Are you experiencing this behavior at different locations as well? This type of 
behavior also occurs when your phone is looking for service. How how about if 
you try to put your phone on airplane mode for an hour or two and see the 
battery life difference.

Regards,
Feliciano
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> wrote:
Hello Feliciano,

I already did a reset of 

Withings Thermo body thermometer - another great Apple Store experience

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Listers,

I just wanted to briefly post about a new gadget I purchased from the Apple 
Store while I was here in Calgary. The item is the Withings Thermo Smart 
Thermometer meant to measure body temperature. It is rather on the expensive 
side at $109 Canadian (it is $99 US on the Withings website and from what I saw 
it's the same on Amazon). Of course this actually means we are getting a good 
deal here in Canada since $99 US at the current exchange rate is about $135 
Canadian.
Anyhow, it does seem to be a very nice device, the app is mostly accessible 
although a few times during the setup I had to find a "Next" button by touch 
since I couldn't swipe to it and it can be integrated with the Health app so 
that your body temperature measurements appear there. I was hoping I could also 
take a look at another thermometer from "Kinsa", it is an in-ear thermometer 
which is only $69 Canadian, but they didn't have it in stock and I like the 
fact that with the Withings you just swipe it across your forehead and you can 
be about half an inch away from the skin not even touching and it still works.
The girl who helped me at first showed me the box, I asked if there were any 
way for me to actually feel it and she had no problem opening the box. I then 
mentioned that given the relatively high price there was still the risk that 
the app may not be accessible and she promptly said why don't we pair it with 
your phone and try it out. You can pair this via Bluetooth or WiFi and since I 
didn't want to try to do this over the open Apple wireless network at the store 
we did bluetooth. At first we had a heck of a time to get it to work. She then 
went in the back and said she wanted to talk to one fo their guys who might 
know a lot more about it. They came back 5 minutes later and he told me he 
owned the product himself and then showed me how to use it successfully. The 
thermometer does have a display and you can assign measurements to different 
family members, but you can also do this in the app and it all is quite 
accessible. We wre also able to enable this in the Health app, but in order to 
do so we had to use the search feature in the Health app and search for "body 
temperature" and add this to the favourites screen so it's there and easy to 
find.
The results definitely seem to be accurate and you can of course set the Thermo 
to display in Celsius or Fahrenheit and it's pretty cool how fast it does this. 
You basically start about in the middle of your forehead and swipe either to 
the left or right to about your tempel, do it nice and slow and by the time you 
get there the Thermo vibrates which means the measurement was taken.
All in all the experience at the Apple Store was fantastic, the service 
outstanding and I ended up buying two of them since the manager of my retail 
store and his girl-friend just had a baby and I thought this would make a good 
present. They received tons of clothing from friends and babies do after all 
get sick and it's a good thing to have a good thermometer to check their 
temperature. Of course if any of you guys are out on a date you can always 
bring it and swipe it across your dates forehead to see how "hot" she is *bad 
joke*.
Finally, below is a link for the product on the Withings website:
http://www.withings.com/us/en/products/thermo
If anybody owns one of the Kinsa in-ear thermometers maybe they can post their 
experience and feedback since it is a less expensive option.

I think the next health and fitness item on our list is the Withings smart 
scale, it seems to be one of the better ones out there compared to the other 
major brands such as Fitbit, Qardio and so on.


Best regards,
Sieghard

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Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

[Andy Baracco]

I have owned an iPhone since the 3GS in 2009, and have never had a crash. Can’t 
say the same for computers. LOL!
Andy

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update
There will always be crashes, I recently went to the Apple Store in Calgary 
because my iPhone 6S Plus shut down several times when I was out and about and 
when it was a bit colder outside. I keep the iPhone against my body so even 
when it’s cold and I pull it out the phone is warm and while I could see it 
shutting off when it’s -30 outside and I keep it out for a longer period of 
time, it was not even 0 (or 32 as you americans would say). It was a few 
degrees above 0, so around the mid to high 30’s) and whenever I restarted the 
phone I would barely put in my PIN when it shut down again. Anyhow, I had 
iPhones since the 4S in 2010 and none of them has ever done this so I assumed 
it was maybe a faulty sensor inside the phone. The girl at the Apple Store ran 
the full diagnostic and said she could see multiple crashes and suggested that 
it is a good idea to reboot iPhones in general maybe once a week as this helps 
to avoid certain issues which may arise when a phone has not been rebooted for 
a very long time. Anyhow, I then upgraded to iOS 10.1.1 and the problem of my 
phone shutting down persisted so I went back to the Apple Store, explained the 
issue to a different Apple Genious and he agreed that this sounded strange and 
since I have Apple Care Plus he replaced my phone. Since this was a warranty 
replacement and not an accidental damage replacement this didn’t cost me a dime 
except of course the time it took to get my new phone going again. Since it’s 
been some time when I set up as a new phone I decided to do this. Calgary is 
not home so I had brought my laptop and did it at the Apple Store, a very nice 
guy at the “setup table” helped me throughout the process since I had all my 
apps on my laptop with the latest updates and thought it would be faster to 
sync them than to redownload them one by one. Since of course this is not 
currently possible with Windows, Jaws and iTunes, the Apple guy checked off all 
the apps I wanted and then got the sync going.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anne Robertson
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

 

Hello Chip,

 

I already did the update and it caused the same problem again. I sent the crash 
log to Apple.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

 

  On 3 Nov 2016, at 18:09, Chip Orange  wrote:

   

  Sorry, I have the version incorrect in previous message, and I did mean 10.1.1

   

  Chip

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 1:04 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

   

  There is an update to IOS 10.2 available, perhaps you’d like to try this to 
see if it’s a bug they’ve already fixed?

   

  Chip

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anne Robertson
  Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:52 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

   

  I’m currently doing a complete restore of my iPhone, which means I’ll have to 
download all the Navigon maps and fix other settings.

  The problem occurred at home with a good connexion to our network. I find it 
interesting that turning VoiceOver off cures the problem, so the internet 
connexion couldn’t be the issue.

   

  Cheers,

   

  Anne

   

   

   

On 30 Oct 2016, at 22:39, Feliciano Godoy  
wrote:

 

Are you experiencing this behavior at different locations as well? This 
type of behavior also occurs when your phone is looking for service. How how 
about if you try to put your phone on airplane mode for an hour or two and see 
the battery life difference.

Regards, 

Feliciano

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On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

  Hello Feliciano,

   

  I already did a reset of my i phone to no effect.

   

  Cheers,

   

  Anne

   

   

   

On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:30, Feliciano Godoy  
wrote:

 

I suggest you reset all settings. This may fix the issue that you're 
having.

Regards, 

Feliciano

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On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Anne Robertson 

Re: The Bose sound link speaker

[Feliciano Godoy]

I have one. From left to right.
Power
Six
Bluetooth
Mute
Volume down
Volume up
To delete all paired devices with the unit on, press and hold the Bluetooth 
button for about 8 seconds. The unit will beep when deleted. To pair, press 
Bluetooth button. If you had, paired your device to it, you will have to forget 
the device if you deleted all devices from the unit.

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On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Jennie Facer 
> wrote:

Hi Jim,

I first wanted to know what kind of link is it? Is it the first gen? I have 
that and I'm not sure how to tell you how to delete the other devices, but I 
can tell you how to pair yours. Let me know if it is first generation and if 
so, I'll try to explain the buttons to you.

Jenn

Sent from Jennie Facer's iPad Pro!

On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Jim Portillo 
> wrote:

Hello,

I just acquired a Bose sound link speaker. It was originally owned by a friend 
of mine. I'm trying to do a couple things. First, I'm trying to figure out the 
buttons. Second, I'm trying to see if I can delete the two devices that were 
previously paired or connected to this device. Is there a way to do this, or 
would she have to do it from her devices? My friend was unfamiliar with some of 
the buttons and couldn't tell me what they did. Does anybody have any 
experience with one of the speakers? They sound great! I'd like to get mine 
working with my devices.
Jim

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Braille translation app for iPad

[Becky]

Hi all, 
I also posted to the Mac visionaries list with the same question only for the 
Mac. I will be starting a course that will require me to translate text into  
UEB Math and Nemeth. I'm trying to find an app that will either work on my iPad 
or my Mac that is VoiceOver compatible and will allow me to translate text into 
both of these codes. Does anyone have any ideas? Thank you for your help.

Becky and Hazel

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Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

[Feliciano Godoy]

At this point, you can delete all the third-party applications and see if the 
problem still persists. It would be a big sacrifice, but if you want to 
continue troubleshooting...


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There will always be crashes, I recently went to the Apple Store in Calgary 
because my iPhone 6S Plus shut down several times when I was out and about and 
when it was a bit colder outside. I keep the iPhone against my body so even 
when it’s cold and I pull it out the phone is warm and while I could see it 
shutting off when it’s -30 outside and I keep it out for a longer period of 
time, it was not even 0 (or 32 as you americans would say). It was a few 
degrees above 0, so around the mid to high 30’s) and whenever I restarted the 
phone I would barely put in my PIN when it shut down again. Anyhow, I had 
iPhones since the 4S in 2010 and none of them has ever done this so I assumed 
it was maybe a faulty sensor inside the phone. The girl at the Apple Store ran 
the full diagnostic and said she could see multiple crashes and suggested that 
it is a good idea to reboot iPhones in general maybe once a week as this helps 
to avoid certain issues which may arise when a phone has not been rebooted for 
a very long time. Anyhow, I then upgraded to iOS 10.1.1 and the problem of my 
phone shutting down persisted so I went back to the Apple Store, explained the 
issue to a different Apple Genious and he agreed that this sounded strange and 
since I have Apple Care Plus he replaced my phone. Since this was a warranty 
replacement and not an accidental damage replacement this didn’t cost me a dime 
except of course the time it took to get my new phone going again. Since it’s 
been some time when I set up as a new phone I decided to do this. Calgary is 
not home so I had brought my laptop and did it at the Apple Store, a very nice 
guy at the “setup table” helped me throughout the process since I had all my 
apps on my laptop with the latest updates and thought it would be faster to 
sync them than to redownload them one by one. Since of course this is not 
currently possible with Windows, Jaws and iTunes, the Apple guy checked off all 
the apps I wanted and then got the sync going.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

Hello Chip,

I already did the update and it caused the same problem again. I sent the crash 
log to Apple.

Cheers,

Anne



On 3 Nov 2016, at 18:09, Chip Orange 
> wrote:

Sorry, I have the version incorrect in previous message, and I did mean 10.1.1

Chip


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

There is an update to IOS 10.2 available, perhaps you’d like to try this to see 
if it’s a bug they’ve already fixed?

Chip


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

I’m currently doing a complete restore of my iPhone, which means I’ll have to 
download all the Navigon maps and fix other settings.
The problem occurred at home with a good connexion to our network. I find it 
interesting that turning VoiceOver off cures the problem, so the internet 
connexion couldn’t be the issue.

Cheers,

Anne



On 30 Oct 2016, at 22:39, Feliciano Godoy 
> wrote:

Are you experiencing this behavior at different locations as well? This type of 
behavior also occurs when your phone is looking for service. How how about if 
you try to put your phone on airplane mode for an hour or two and see the 
battery life difference.

Regards,
Feliciano
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Hello Feliciano,

I already did a reset of my i phone to no effect.

Cheers,

Anne



On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:30, Feliciano Godoy 

RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There will always be crashes, I recently went to the Apple Store in Calgary 
because my iPhone 6S Plus shut down several times when I was out and about and 
when it was a bit colder outside. I keep the iPhone against my body so even 
when it’s cold and I pull it out the phone is warm and while I could see it 
shutting off when it’s -30 outside and I keep it out for a longer period of 
time, it was not even 0 (or 32 as you americans would say). It was a few 
degrees above 0, so around the mid to high 30’s) and whenever I restarted the 
phone I would barely put in my PIN when it shut down again. Anyhow, I had 
iPhones since the 4S in 2010 and none of them has ever done this so I assumed 
it was maybe a faulty sensor inside the phone. The girl at the Apple Store ran 
the full diagnostic and said she could see multiple crashes and suggested that 
it is a good idea to reboot iPhones in general maybe once a week as this helps 
to avoid certain issues which may arise when a phone has not been rebooted for 
a very long time. Anyhow, I then upgraded to iOS 10.1.1 and the problem of my 
phone shutting down persisted so I went back to the Apple Store, explained the 
issue to a different Apple Genious and he agreed that this sounded strange and 
since I have Apple Care Plus he replaced my phone. Since this was a warranty 
replacement and not an accidental damage replacement this didn’t cost me a dime 
except of course the time it took to get my new phone going again. Since it’s 
been some time when I set up as a new phone I decided to do this. Calgary is 
not home so I had brought my laptop and did it at the Apple Store, a very nice 
guy at the “setup table” helped me throughout the process since I had all my 
apps on my laptop with the latest updates and thought it would be faster to 
sync them than to redownload them one by one. Since of course this is not 
currently possible with Windows, Jaws and iTunes, the Apple guy checked off all 
the apps I wanted and then got the sync going.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anne Robertson
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

Hello Chip,

I already did the update and it caused the same problem again. I sent the crash 
log to Apple.

Cheers,

Anne



On 3 Nov 2016, at 18:09, Chip Orange 
> wrote:

Sorry, I have the version incorrect in previous message, and I did mean 10.1.1

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

There is an update to IOS 10.2 available, perhaps you’d like to try this to see 
if it’s a bug they’ve already fixed?

Chip


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

I’m currently doing a complete restore of my iPhone, which means I’ll have to 
download all the Navigon maps and fix other settings.
The problem occurred at home with a good connexion to our network. I find it 
interesting that turning VoiceOver off cures the problem, so the internet 
connexion couldn’t be the issue.

Cheers,

Anne



On 30 Oct 2016, at 22:39, Feliciano Godoy 
> wrote:

Are you experiencing this behavior at different locations as well? This type of 
behavior also occurs when your phone is looking for service. How how about if 
you try to put your phone on airplane mode for an hour or two and see the 
battery life difference.

Regards,
Feliciano
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On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Anne Robertson 
> wrote:
Hello Feliciano,

I already did a reset of my i phone to no effect.

Cheers,

Anne



On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:30, Feliciano Godoy 
> wrote:

I suggest you reset all settings. This may fix the issue that you're having.

Regards,
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> wrote:
Hello fellow listers,

After doing the iOS 10.1 update on my 64 GB iPhone SE, I noticed a sudden 
excessive battery 

Re: Voice dream reader question

[Richard Turner]

I noticed this with several apps as well. I take that it is a new feature/bug 
of iOS 10.
It seems like a bug to me, but maybe it is a feature to some to quickly go back 
to your last app...
Richard


(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

On Nov 3, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Andy Baracco 
> wrote:

I have experienced this with different apps with my iPhone 6. It often seems to 
be the last app you used. I don't think the app is actually open. It seems like 
some kind of shortcut. It isn't consistent though. I do not think it is the 
fault of the ap itself, but is some kind of behavior of IOS.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice dream reader question

I have voice dream reader on my iPhone 7 Plus and my iPad mini two. I have been 
noticing, since the upgrade to iOS 10, that on the iPad, in the app switcher, I 
get something that says voice dream reader according to your current location, 
or something very close to that. And it cannot be dismissed from the app 
switcher. This only seems to happen on the iPad. Yesterday, four instance, I 
had voice dream reader on my iPad open. I got finished with it, and dismissed 
the app from my app switcher. Having done that, remaining in the app switcher 
what is this thing that says voice dream reader according to your current 
location. If I double tap on it, it is identified as a button, the app opens. 
This is frustrating, since you're not supposed to have two voice dream readers 
open at once. Has anyone seen this? Has anyone noticed a pattern? I can 
certainly write to Winston and will do so. But I thought I would ask first to 
see what others had been experiencing.
Mary


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Re: Voice dream reader question

[Andy Baracco]

I have experienced this with different apps with my iPhone 6. It often seems 
to be the last app you used. I don't think the app is actually open. It 
seems like some kind of shortcut. It isn't consistent though. I do not think 
it is the fault of the ap itself, but is some kind of behavior of IOS.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Mary Otten

Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice dream reader question

I have voice dream reader on my iPhone 7 Plus and my iPad mini two. I have 
been noticing, since the upgrade to iOS 10, that on the iPad, in the app 
switcher, I get something that says voice dream reader according to your 
current location, or something very close to that. And it cannot be 
dismissed from the app switcher. This only seems to happen on the iPad. 
Yesterday, four instance, I had voice dream reader on my iPad open. I got 
finished with it, and dismissed the app from my app switcher. Having done 
that, remaining in the app switcher what is this thing that says voice dream 
reader according to your current location. If I double tap on it, it is 
identified as a button, the app opens. This is frustrating, since you're not 
supposed to have two voice dream readers open at once. Has anyone seen this? 
Has anyone noticed a pattern? I can certainly write to Winston and will do 
so. But I thought I would ask first to see what others had been 
experiencing.

Mary


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Re: The Bose sound link speaker

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Jim,

I first wanted to know what kind of link is it? Is it the first gen? I have 
that and I'm not sure how to tell you how to delete the other devices, but I 
can tell you how to pair yours. Let me know if it is first generation and if 
so, I'll try to explain the buttons to you. 

Jenn 

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> On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Jim Portillo  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I just acquired a Bose sound link speaker. It was originally owned by a 
> friend of mine. I'm trying to do a couple things. First, I'm trying to figure 
> out the buttons. Second, I'm trying to see if I can delete the two devices 
> that were previously paired or connected to this device. Is there a way to do 
> this, or would she have to do it from her devices? My friend was unfamiliar 
> with some of the buttons and couldn't tell me what they did. Does anybody 
> have any experience with one of the speakers? They sound great! I'd like to 
> get mine working with my devices.
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Re: Voice dream reader question

[Mary Otten]

OK. I don't have dice world, so I can't compare that. I wonder what is causing 
this. I would very much like it to go away. Not that that matters a lot.
Mary


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> On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Rebecca Ilniski  wrote:
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> For me, it happens on the i phone too it will say dice world according to 
> your current location. 
> 
> 
> Rebecca and Zeb
> email: rilni...@gmail.com
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have voice dream reader on my iPhone 7 Plus and my iPad mini two. I have 
> been noticing, since the upgrade to iOS 10, that on the iPad, in the app 
> switcher, I get something that says voice dream reader according to your 
> current location, or something very close to that. And it cannot be dismissed 
> from the app switcher. This only seems to happen on the iPad. Yesterday, four 
> instance, I had voice dream reader on my iPad open. I got finished with it, 
> and dismissed the app from my app switcher. Having done that, remaining in 
> the app switcher what is this thing that says voice dream reader according to 
> your current location. If I double tap on it, it is identified as a button, 
> the app opens. This is frustrating, since you're not supposed to have two 
> voice dream readers open at once. Has anyone seen this? Has anyone noticed a 
> pattern? I can certainly write to Winston and will do so. But I thought I 
> would ask first to see what others had been experiencing.
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Re: Voice dream reader question

[Rebecca Ilniski]

For me, it happens on the i phone too it will say dice world according to your 
current location. 
 

Rebecca and Zeb
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On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I have voice dream reader on my iPhone 7 Plus and my iPad mini two. I have been 
noticing, since the upgrade to iOS 10, that on the iPad, in the app switcher, I 
get something that says voice dream reader according to your current location, 
or something very close to that. And it cannot be dismissed from the app 
switcher. This only seems to happen on the iPad. Yesterday, four instance, I 
had voice dream reader on my iPad open. I got finished with it, and dismissed 
the app from my app switcher. Having done that, remaining in the app switcher 
what is this thing that says voice dream reader according to your current 
location. If I double tap on it, it is identified as a button, the app opens. 
This is frustrating, since you're not supposed to have two voice dream readers 
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Re: Voice dream reader question

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Hi. That message to your current location is in the app switcher no matter 
which app" you use. Mine says dice world to your current location. I wish you 
could dismiss all that from the app switcher. Don't know if you can though. 

Rebecca and Zeb
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On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I have voice dream reader on my iPhone 7 Plus and my iPad mini two. I have been 
noticing, since the upgrade to iOS 10, that on the iPad, in the app switcher, I 
get something that says voice dream reader according to your current location, 
or something very close to that. And it cannot be dismissed from the app 
switcher. This only seems to happen on the iPad. Yesterday, four instance, I 
had voice dream reader on my iPad open. I got finished with it, and dismissed 
the app from my app switcher. Having done that, remaining in the app switcher 
what is this thing that says voice dream reader according to your current 
location. If I double tap on it, it is identified as a button, the app opens. 
This is frustrating, since you're not supposed to have two voice dream readers 
open at once. Has anyone seen this? Has anyone noticed a pattern? I can 
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see what others had been experiencing.
Mary


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Voice dream reader question

[Mary Otten]

I have voice dream reader on my iPhone 7 Plus and my iPad mini two. I have been 
noticing, since the upgrade to iOS 10, that on the iPad, in the app switcher, I 
get something that says voice dream reader according to your current location, 
or something very close to that. And it cannot be dismissed from the app 
switcher. This only seems to happen on the iPad. Yesterday, four instance, I 
had voice dream reader on my iPad open. I got finished with it, and dismissed 
the app from my app switcher. Having done that, remaining in the app switcher 
what is this thing that says voice dream reader according to your current 
location. If I double tap on it, it is identified as a button, the app opens. 
This is frustrating, since you're not supposed to have two voice dream readers 
open at once. Has anyone seen this? Has anyone noticed a pattern? I can 
certainly write to Winston and will do so. But I thought I would ask first to 
see what others had been experiencing.
Mary


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Radium

[Mary Otten]

I got a response to my email to the folks at radium regarding the recent 
message that the app needs to be updated for iOS 10, and it is not good news. 
Radium, they informed me, is no longer being developed. They did say they are 
maintaining their database. They did not specify that it was only the iPhone 
app that was not being developed. My question was about that app, but they said 
nothing at all about the Mac app, no distinction was drawn between the iPhone 
app being developed or not and the Mac app being developed or not. Therefore, I 
think it means radium development is not happening on any front. Too bad, as it 
was a great app but will undoubtedly come up not working at all sooner or later.
Mary


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The Bose sound link speaker

[Jim Portillo]

Hello,

I just acquired a Bose sound link speaker. It was originally owned by a friend 
of mine. I'm trying to do a couple things. First, I'm trying to figure out the 
buttons. Second, I'm trying to see if I can delete the two devices that were 
previously paired or connected to this device. Is there a way to do this, or 
would she have to do it from her devices? My friend was unfamiliar with some of 
the buttons and couldn't tell me what they did. Does anybody have any 
experience with one of the speakers? They sound great! I'd like to get mine 
working with my devices.
Jim

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Re: purpose of apple tv

[Kliphton Miller]

Well, it does more than stream music an movies.  You can log in to most 
channels offered buy a service provider like time warner, comcast, or direct.  
Of course you must pay for these subscriptions, or get someone to share there 
info with you.  The appleTV also has some games to be played on it.  My 
favorite app is infuse, this allows me to stream my entire movie collection to 
my appleTV4 without using iTunes, or having to leave my mac on for Plex or some 
other third party.  And the best part about it, I don’t have to convert my 
movie files in to mp4, they can be any format and infuse will stream them.  The 
most important thing for most of us, is we don’t need sited help to control the 
appleTV, voiceover reads everything on the screen so we can control HBO, 
netflix, Hulu, or whatever service you are using, including the network TV apps 
at that have on demand content.
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Fanus  wrote:
> 
> Hello Sieghard and list
> Please pardon my stupid question but can anyone in a few sentences explain 
> the purpose of the apple tv. Is it only for downloading and playing music and 
> movies on the tv or can one control the tv set to a certain extent i.e. can 
> one hear the menu and shedule normal tv programs etc.?
> I am not a movie fan so I ask this question on behalf of a blind friend who 
> wants to access the tv.
> Regards
> Fanus
>  
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel <>
> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 5:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: RE: Loving Apple tv, have more questions
>  
> Keep in mind that you can dictate anywhere including spelling passwords and 
> user names. Also, if you have a bluetooth keyboard you can pair it for easier 
> typing and in fact you can pretty much control the Apple TV completely with a 
> bluetooth keyboard. Only thing I can't remember now is if there is a way to 
> invoke SIRI with a bluetooth keyboard.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Loving Apple tv, have more questions
> 
> Hello to Daniel and all who have helped me with my Apple tv, so far. I really 
> appreciate it.
> 
> 
> I really dislike saying this, because I was so hesetant to purchase it. 
> But I absolutely love it! I think it's awesome!
> 
> 
> My friend helped me set it up, because I didn't see the message in time, 
> telling me how to start voiceover. But once we got voiceover on, I took 
> it over.
> 
> I actually like the little gesture area. I thought it would be very 
> difficult to use. But not at all. And I like how you press the little 
> clicker thing at the end. Ok, surely not the propper name for it. LOL!
> 
> The keyboard is still a bit confusing to me. But overall I like the new 
> set up so far. I find it faster to choose letters, and such.
> 
> 
> Also, one feature I really loved, was how easy it was to set it up, and 
> connect to my network. I liked how I unlocked my phone, and held it near 
> the tv. That was too cool how it used the bluetooth. The set up was 
> flawless.
> 
> 
> I haven't done much with it, beyond that. Mainly, because I am not sure 
> what to do.
> 
> 
> How do I get my apps like, CBS, Hulu, and Netflix on there?
> 
> Even if they are on my Ipad, and I have subscriptions, do I have to 
> download them on to the Apple TV?
> 
> I couldn't find an area where I could see all my apps. But maybe I don't 
> know where to look.
> 
> 
> Also, if I want other free or subscription-based apps for movies, or tv 
> shows, how do I go about finding such stuff?
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't know many apps, and I honestly don't know how to 
> search for such things.
> 
> I'd like to find apps that are pretty accessible. But I'd try some apps 
> just to check them out as well, if I knew how to find them.
> 
> 
> Also, how do you know which news apps give broadcasts of stories, and 
> not just articles?
> 
> I know NPR has a news app.
> 
> 
> Any help with any of this would be much appreciated. I'm going to mess 
> around with the Apple tv more, tomorrow. I am definitely happy I bought 
> it. I can't believe now that I was so intimidated by it.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
> 
> 
> On 11/2/2016 9:42 AM, Daniel L. Gervais wrote:
> > Hi Terri,
> >
> > I think you will enjoy your new Apple TV, I know I bought the exact same 
> > one and I love it.
> >
> > As for the remote, below the gesture area, from the top left going down, 
> > you have the Menu, Siri and Play/Pause buttons.  From the top right going 
> > down, you have the Home button and below that is the Volume Up and Down 
> > rocker.
> >
> > To enable VoiceOver, simply press the Play/Pause button three times and 
> > after a few tries, VoiceOver should begin speaking.
> >
> > When inputting text, the keyboard is layed out a little diffrently with the 
> > first row being the letters A to 

Seem To Have Lost Alex

[Keith Bundy]

I just got a new iPhone 7 yesterday. I originally did a restore from
iCloud, but something seemed to be slowing my phone down.

I erased everything and set up the phone as a new phone today. Now, when I
click Settings, General, Accessibility, Speech, and Voices, I find several
voices, but not Alex.

Any idea what may be going on and how I can get Alex to return? Thanks.

-- 
Keith Bundy

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Re: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

[Wayne Merritt]

Terri,
If you are using the same Apple ID on the Apple TV that you use with
your iPhone or other iOS device, you can go into the App Store on the
TV and find the purchased section. Here you will find a list of all of
the apps which are TV compatible that you have downloaded to your
other devices. This is an easy way to see a list of what works since
you're looking at apps you already have and may be more comfortable
with. If I have the location of this list wrong I'm sure someone will
correct.

I got an Apple TV in the summer and wondered why I waited so long to
get one as well. I love playing music on it and watching videos and
shows from YouTube and CBS All Access. Note that if you have accounts
from YouTube, Netflix or Hulu, and bring up those apps on the TV and
try to sign in, you will likely be prompted to visit a certain web
page in order to activate the TV on your account. Once you visit the
site, you may be prompted to enter a code. I don't recall if you enter
the code on the iOS device or on the TV. Either way, once you enter
the code and hit submit, you will be able to access your account and
all of the regular features of the app with the TV.

Finally, you can do a voice search with Siri and say, "Search the App
Store for (name of app)." This may help you find apps to download
initially.

Good luck,
Wayne

On 11/3/16, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Hi Sieghard,
> I really like using a Bluetooth keyboard with the Apple TV. But regarding
> controlling the system, is there a way to do a two finger flick up
> equivalent with the Bluetooth keyboard?
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> Keep in mind that you can dictate anywhere including spelling passwords
>> and user names. Also, if you have a bluetooth keyboard you can pair it for
>> easier typing and in fact you can pretty much control the Apple TV
>> completely with a bluetooth keyboard. Only thing I can't remember now is
>> if there is a way to invoke SIRI with a bluetooth keyboard.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Terri Stimmel
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Loving Apple tv, have more questions
>>
>> Hello to Daniel and all who have helped me with my Apple tv, so far. I
>> really appreciate it.
>>
>>
>> I really dislike saying this, because I was so hesetant to purchase it.
>> But I absolutely love it! I think it's awesome!
>>
>>
>> My friend helped me set it up, because I didn't see the message in time,
>> telling me how to start voiceover. But once we got voiceover on, I took
>> it over.
>>
>> I actually like the little gesture area. I thought it would be very
>> difficult to use. But not at all. And I like how you press the little
>> clicker thing at the end. Ok, surely not the propper name for it. LOL!
>>
>> The keyboard is still a bit confusing to me. But overall I like the new
>> set up so far. I find it faster to choose letters, and such.
>>
>>
>> Also, one feature I really loved, was how easy it was to set it up, and
>> connect to my network. I liked how I unlocked my phone, and held it near
>> the tv. That was too cool how it used the bluetooth. The set up was
>> flawless.
>>
>>
>> I haven't done much with it, beyond that. Mainly, because I am not sure
>> what to do.
>>
>>
>> How do I get my apps like, CBS, Hulu, and Netflix on there?
>>
>> Even if they are on my Ipad, and I have subscriptions, do I have to
>> download them on to the Apple TV?
>>
>> I couldn't find an area where I could see all my apps. But maybe I don't
>> know where to look.
>>
>>
>> Also, if I want other free or subscription-based apps for movies, or tv
>> shows, how do I go about finding such stuff?
>>
>> Unfortunately, I don't know many apps, and I honestly don't know how to
>> search for such things.
>>
>> I'd like to find apps that are pretty accessible. But I'd try some apps
>> just to check them out as well, if I knew how to find them.
>>
>>
>> Also, how do you know which news apps give broadcasts of stories, and
>> not just articles?
>>
>> I know NPR has a news app.
>>
>>
>> Any help with any of this would be much appreciated. I'm going to mess
>> around with the Apple tv more, tomorrow. I am definitely happy I bought
>> it. I can't believe now that I was so intimidated by it.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Terri
>>
>>
>>> On 11/2/2016 9:42 AM, Daniel L. Gervais wrote:
>>> Hi Terri,
>>>
>>> I think you will enjoy your new Apple TV, I know I bought the exact same
>>> one and I love it.
>>>
>>> As for the remote, below the gesture area, from the top left going down,
>>> you have the Menu, Siri and Play/Pause buttons.  From the top right going
>>> down, you have the Home button and below that is the Volume Up and Down
>>> rocker.
>>>
>>> To enable VoiceOver, simply press the Play/Pause button three times and
>>> after a few tries, 

Re: Internet browser on Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

It's possible in a round about way but it doesn't support flash.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/3/16, MamaPeach  wrote:
> There is no internet browser.
>
> From: Gianni
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Internet browser on Apple TV
>
> Hello everyone,
> I have a question about the apple tv. Is it already possible to install an
> internet browser on the latest Apple tv? If yes, can you play websites with
> flash on it?
>
>
>
> Gianni
>
>
> Skype: giannijuve
> Sent from my iPhone
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purpose of apple tv

[Fanus]

Hello Sieghard and list
Please pardon my stupid question but can anyone in a few sentences explain the 
purpose of the apple tv. Is it only for downloading and playing music and 
movies on the tv or can one control the tv set to a certain extent i.e. can one 
hear the menu and shedule normal tv programs etc.?
I am not a movie fan so I ask this question on behalf of a blind friend who 
wants to access the tv.
Regards
Fanus


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 5:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

Keep in mind that you can dictate anywhere including spelling passwords and 
user names. Also, if you have a bluetooth keyboard you can pair it for easier 
typing and in fact you can pretty much control the Apple TV completely with a 
bluetooth keyboard. Only thing I can't remember now is if there is a way to 
invoke SIRI with a bluetooth keyboard.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

Hello to Daniel and all who have helped me with my Apple tv, so far. I really 
appreciate it.


I really dislike saying this, because I was so hesetant to purchase it. 
But I absolutely love it! I think it's awesome!


My friend helped me set it up, because I didn't see the message in time, 
telling me how to start voiceover. But once we got voiceover on, I took 
it over.

I actually like the little gesture area. I thought it would be very 
difficult to use. But not at all. And I like how you press the little 
clicker thing at the end. Ok, surely not the propper name for it. LOL!

The keyboard is still a bit confusing to me. But overall I like the new 
set up so far. I find it faster to choose letters, and such.


Also, one feature I really loved, was how easy it was to set it up, and 
connect to my network. I liked how I unlocked my phone, and held it near 
the tv. That was too cool how it used the bluetooth. The set up was 
flawless.


I haven't done much with it, beyond that. Mainly, because I am not sure 
what to do.


How do I get my apps like, CBS, Hulu, and Netflix on there?

Even if they are on my Ipad, and I have subscriptions, do I have to 
download them on to the Apple TV?

I couldn't find an area where I could see all my apps. But maybe I don't 
know where to look.


Also, if I want other free or subscription-based apps for movies, or tv 
shows, how do I go about finding such stuff?

Unfortunately, I don't know many apps, and I honestly don't know how to 
search for such things.

I'd like to find apps that are pretty accessible. But I'd try some apps 
just to check them out as well, if I knew how to find them.


Also, how do you know which news apps give broadcasts of stories, and 
not just articles?

I know NPR has a news app.


Any help with any of this would be much appreciated. I'm going to mess 
around with the Apple tv more, tomorrow. I am definitely happy I bought 
it. I can't believe now that I was so intimidated by it.


Thank you,


Terri


On 11/2/2016 9:42 AM, Daniel L. Gervais wrote:
> Hi Terri,
>
> I think you will enjoy your new Apple TV, I know I bought the exact same one 
> and I love it.
>
> As for the remote, below the gesture area, from the top left going down, you 
> have the Menu, Siri and Play/Pause buttons.  From the top right going down, 
> you have the Home button and below that is the Volume Up and Down rocker.
>
> To enable VoiceOver, simply press the Play/Pause button three times and after 
> a few tries, VoiceOver should begin speaking.
>
> When inputting text, the keyboard is layed out a little diffrently with the 
> first row being the letters A to Z and the next row below being the numbers 
> and punctuation symbols.  Below that row is buttons to toggle between 
> lowercase and uppercase letters, but if you press the Play/Pause button, this 
> will do the same.
>
> You can also use Siri to dictate anything in an edit field, this also 
> includes passwords.  Simply press and hold the Siri button and dictate.  When 
> you're done, let go of the button and your text will be inputted.
>
> While on the Home screen, you can even ask Siri, by pressing and holding 
> while you talk and letting go when your done.
>
> You can always check on www.applevis.com for How To's on using the Apple TV.  
> I believe that David Woodbridge has quite a few podcasts on doing just about 
> anything on the Apple TV.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
>
> From: Terri Stimmel 
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: 2016/11/02 10:12 AM
> Subject: Got my new Apple TV, need a bit of help!
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> Well, I broke down and purchased my new Apple tv last night. I got the
> 32 gig model. I didn't mess with it last night though, because I just
> wasn't feeling the best.
>
>
> It's all open, 

Re: Apps Updating Even When Background Refresh Is Off

[Arnold Schmidt]

That was already off. As I read it, that setting has to do with automaticly  
updating apps that were downloaded or updated on another device on more Apple 
ID. Background App Refresh allows apps already on my device to update in the 
background without my telling them to update. Either way, both settings ′were, 
and are, off, yet, for example, Voice Dream Reader updated yesterday  
automatically. I hope I can get this stopped, before something updates to an 
unaccessible version without my permission. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:03 AM, Rajmund  wrote:

Hello, settings, iTunes and app store. Here, turn off automatic updates.




Sent from an iPad Air

> On 2 Nov 2016, at 10:19 pm, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know how to stop this? Background App Refresh definitely is off, 
> but some apps still update automatically. It started  after updating to  IOS 
> 10. 
> 
> Thanks for any information. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
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RE: Radium

[Chip Orange]

Yes, I had the same problem, with whatever station I chose subsequent to the 
first choice just not playing.

 

I also had the warning message from Apple, so I just removed Radium.

 

Chip

 

 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Radium

 

 

Hi Mary,

Well, I had not used Radium in a long while because of issues with it not 
playing, when TuneIn would play just fine.

I just duplicated that problem. I launched Radium and BBC Radio 4 Extra, 
played, though after a longish pause.

Then I tried BBC World Service. Nothing came through. I waited a couple 
minutes. I switched to TuneIn Radio Pro and BBC World Service started playing 
almost immediately. 

So, for me, I'm sticking with TuneIn. There is a way to write Radium support 
under the More Options, Settings.

I wrote them about the warning concerning iOS 10. I will write them about BBC 
World Service not playing.

Richard

 

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I have a Radium on my iPhone and on the Mac. I have used it recently on the 
Mac, but I hadn't used it in a while on my phone. Just now, I did try to use 
it, and was greeted with a message that radium may slow down my phone's 
performance, and that the developer needs to update it for iOS 10. I went ahead 
and tried to use the app, with a station that I know has had good reception in 
the past. No luck. I am just wondering for those of you who have updated to iOS 
10, how has Radium been working for you?
Mary


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RE: iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available:

[Chip Orange]

Is this a braille only bug?  I just tried editing text in a text field, and had 
no issues?

 

Chip

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:11 AM
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Subject: RE: iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available:

 

Everyone,

 

In order to expedite this issue, contact Apple Accessibility to report the bug. 
 The more folks the more the issue becomes known to them, they might do 
something.

 

Send an email to them at:

 

accessibil...@apple.com

 

Todd

 

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? ?? ???
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available:

 

Hi! No this update doesn't fix this bug.

Sent from  my iphone


‫ב-2 בנוב׳ 2016, בשעה 0:45, ‏‏Arnold Schmidt ‏<  
als5...@gmail.com> כתב/ה:

Did this update  fix the problem with the cursor not moving when editing text 
in an edit field? I still am running 10.0.1 until they get this situation 
resolved. 

Thanks for any information. 

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Oct 31, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Gary Bowers  wrote:

forbes.com
Apple iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available: What Is Included In The Update?
Amit Chowdhry
Apple has released iOS 10.1.1 to the general public today. The iOS 10.1.1
update comes one week after iOS 10.1 was released. The reason why Apple
quickly issued this software update is because it fixes a bug that Forbes
contributor Gordon Kelly reported exclusively last week. Apple declined to
reply to requests to acknowledge the bug until now. You can install iOS
10.1.1 by connecting your device to iTunes or downloading it by going to
Settings > General > Software Update. The iOS 10.1.1 update is available for
the following devices: iPhone 5 and later, iPad 4th generation and later and
iPod touch 6th generation and later.
What Is Included In The Update?
The software update is relatively small at under 70MB, which indicates that
it is a minor update with a few bug fixes. There weren’t any betas of iOS
10.1.1 either. And the changelog of the iOS 10.1.1 software update
says: “This update fixes bugs including an issue where Health data could not
be viewed for some users.” 
There were many complaints about health data not being visible following the
iOS 10.1.1 update within the Apple Communities forum so it is a relief that
Apple turned around a fix in a short amount of time:

And Forbes contributor Gordon Kelly said that he was contacted by many
people directly “with stories of hours spent on the phone to Apple tech
support, all without resolution.” Many Twitter users also said that they
attempted to reboot and factory reset the devices, but the Health app data
did not reappear:

iOS 10.1 was somewhat of a major update. iOS 10.1 included a “Portrait”
mode, which helps make the most out of the dual cameras in the iPhone 7
Plus. The Portrait camera mode essentially utilized the wide-angle and
telephoto iPhone 7 lenses in a way to create portraits with depth effects.
This makes the subjects of the photos look sharp while also creating blurred
backgrounds, known as “bokeh” effects. iOS 10.1 also included Transit
directions for Apple Maps in Japan. And iOS 10.1 also added a “Reduce
Motion” setting for the Bubble and Screen effects in the Messages app.

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Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Chip,

I already did the update and it caused the same problem again. I sent the crash 
log to Apple.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 3 Nov 2016, at 18:09, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I have the version incorrect in previous message, and I did mean 10.1.1
>  
> Chip
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 1:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update
>  
> There is an update to IOS 10.2 available, perhaps you’d like to try this to 
> see if it’s a bug they’ve already fixed?
>  
> Chip
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update
>  
> I’m currently doing a complete restore of my iPhone, which means I’ll have to 
> download all the Navigon maps and fix other settings.
> The problem occurred at home with a good connexion to our network. I find it 
> interesting that turning VoiceOver off cures the problem, so the internet 
> connexion couldn’t be the issue.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 22:39, Feliciano Godoy > > wrote:
>>  
>> Are you experiencing this behavior at different locations as well? This type 
>> of behavior also occurs when your phone is looking for service. How how 
>> about if you try to put your phone on airplane mode for an hour or two and 
>> see the battery life difference.
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Feliciano
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>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Feliciano,
>>>  
>>> I already did a reset of my i phone to no effect.
>>>  
>>> Cheers,
>>>  
>>> Anne
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
 On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:30, Feliciano Godoy > wrote:
  
 I suggest you reset all settings. This may fix the issue that you're 
 having.
 
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> Hello fellow listers,
> 
> After doing the iOS 10.1 update on my 64 GB iPhone SE, I noticed a sudden 
> excessive battery drain while not using my iPhone.
> I turned off all background refresh activities for all apps. I left two 
> apps in the App Switcher: Kobo and Audible.
> With VoiceOver active but the screen locked, the battery drain was 
> between 4 and 5% per hour.
> I then turned VoiceOver off and locked the screen. After an hour, there 
> was no noticeable battery drain.
> I Therefore conclude that VoiceOver is draining my battery.
> 
> I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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RE: Voice Dream Reader Rewind Question

[Chip Orange]

Thanks Richard … just the info I needed, as I had been trying to use the 
jestures described in the quick start (which don’t seem to apply to VO users).

 

Chip

 

 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 11:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader Rewind Question

 

 

I believe he is referring to having VoiceOver Hints turned on and when you 
touch a button, wait to hear what the hint says.

Also, in the user manual, here is the VoiceOver specific section:

VoiceOver Users Only

 

The navigation controls change for VoiceOver users. Voice Dream contains a 
special type of buttons: in addition to double tapping to activate, you can 
swipe up or down with 1 finger or 3 fingers to perform other functions. Listen 
carefully through the hints to find out what each button can do.

If VoiceOver focus is on the Play/Pause button, you can double tap to Play and 
double tap again to Pause. In addition, swiping up does a rewind and swiping 
down does a fast forward.

Navigation Unit button, to the right of the Play/Pause button, is also swipe 
enabled. Swipe up or down to cycle through available Navigation Units.

The Audio Settings button is swipe enabled. Swipe up or down to change the 
speech rate.

The Position slider which state the percentage location in the document is 
swipe enabled. It’s also a button. Double tapping would let you type in a 
percentage location to scroll to.

Finally, Voice Dream Reader features an unique and highly effective method for 
selecting text. The swipe-enabled button is to the left of the Play-Pause 
button. While VoiceOver focus is on this button, you can swipe up and down to 
move the speech cursor one word at a time, which sets the starting location of 
text selection. Swipe up or down with 3 fingers to move the speech cursor one 
sentence at a time. After setting the start location, double tap. Now, you will 
set the end location of the text selection. Again, swipe with one finger to 
move it by word and 3 fingers to move it by sentence. Double tap again, and 
you’ll hear the text you selected and presented with a list of actions you can 
perform on the selected text.

 

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 2, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Chip Orange  wrote:

Ooops, meant to ask you Anna: how do you get to the “voice hints for VDR?”

 

Thanks,

 

Chip

 

 

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Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader Rewind Question

 

Hi Alan,

 

flick up on the Play button to rewind, or down to fast forward. The info about 
this is in the voice hints for VDR.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

 

On Sep 25, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

 

Hello List,

 

I'm so used to listening to books in Voice Dream using the remote button on my 
earpods that I can't figure out how to rewind or fast forward when listening 
through my iPhone 6 speakers. There don't appear to be any separate buttons for 
doing this and I couldn't figure out where these controls are hidden.

 

Thanks in advance for enlightening me.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

[Chip Orange]

Sorry, I have the version incorrect in previous message, and I did mean 10.1.1

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

 

There is an update to IOS 10.2 available, perhaps you’d like to try this to see 
if it’s a bug they’ve already fixed?

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anne Robertson
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

 

I’m currently doing a complete restore of my iPhone, which means I’ll have to 
download all the Navigon maps and fix other settings.

The problem occurred at home with a good connexion to our network. I find it 
interesting that turning VoiceOver off cures the problem, so the internet 
connexion couldn’t be the issue.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

 

On 30 Oct 2016, at 22:39, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:

 

Are you experiencing this behavior at different locations as well? This type of 
behavior also occurs when your phone is looking for service. How how about if 
you try to put your phone on airplane mode for an hour or two and see the 
battery life difference.

Regards, 

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On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Feliciano,

 

I already did a reset of my i phone to no effect.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

 

On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:30, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:

 

I suggest you reset all settings. This may fix the issue that you're having.

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Hello fellow listers,

After doing the iOS 10.1 update on my 64 GB iPhone SE, I noticed a sudden 
excessive battery drain while not using my iPhone.
I turned off all background refresh activities for all apps. I left two apps in 
the App Switcher: Kobo and Audible.
With VoiceOver active but the screen locked, the battery drain was between 4 
and 5% per hour.
I then turned VoiceOver off and locked the screen. After an hour, there was no 
noticeable battery drain.
I Therefore conclude that VoiceOver is draining my battery.

I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility.
Cheers,

Anne




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[Chip Orange]

There is an update to IOS 10.2 available, perhaps you’d like to try this to see 
if it’s a bug they’ve already fixed?

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anne Robertson
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

 

I’m currently doing a complete restore of my iPhone, which means I’ll have to 
download all the Navigon maps and fix other settings.

The problem occurred at home with a good connexion to our network. I find it 
interesting that turning VoiceOver off cures the problem, so the internet 
connexion couldn’t be the issue.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

 

On 30 Oct 2016, at 22:39, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:

 

Are you experiencing this behavior at different locations as well? This type of 
behavior also occurs when your phone is looking for service. How how about if 
you try to put your phone on airplane mode for an hour or two and see the 
battery life difference.

Regards, 

Feliciano 

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On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Feliciano,

 

I already did a reset of my i phone to no effect.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

 

On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:30, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:

 

I suggest you reset all settings. This may fix the issue that you're having.

Regards, 

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On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello fellow listers,

After doing the iOS 10.1 update on my 64 GB iPhone SE, I noticed a sudden 
excessive battery drain while not using my iPhone.
I turned off all background refresh activities for all apps. I left two apps in 
the App Switcher: Kobo and Audible.
With VoiceOver active but the screen locked, the battery drain was between 4 
and 5% per hour.
I then turned VoiceOver off and locked the screen. After an hour, there was no 
noticeable battery drain.
I Therefore conclude that VoiceOver is draining my battery.

I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility.
Cheers,

Anne




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Re: Internet browser on Apple TV

[MamaPeach]

There is no internet browser.

From: Gianni 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Internet browser on Apple TV

Hello everyone,
I have a question about the apple tv. Is it already possible to install an 
internet browser on the latest Apple tv? If yes, can you play websites with 
flash on it?



Gianni


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Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update

[Anne Robertson]

I’ve been in correspondence with Apple Accessibility about this problem which 
occurred again on updating to iOS 10.1.1. However, this time, turning VoiceOver 
off didn’t fix the problem.
They asked me to send them the crash logs which I did, and they saw that 
VoiceOver had been crashing multiple times and suggested a clean install. I 
had, of course, already done this.
I wonder what it is about my particular phone or setup that is causing this 
problem.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 1 Nov 2016, at 08:52, Fanus  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Anne
> Thanks for letting me know. I was hoping not to have to do this. I hear there 
> is a further update IOS10.1.1. I think I’ll install that and see if it maybe 
> fixes the problem.
> Regards
> Fanus
>  
>  
> From: Anne Robertson <>
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update
>  
> Hello Fanus,
>  
> I had to restore my phone to factory settings and reinstall all my apps to 
> fix the problem. My iPhone is now behaving itself beautifully.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
>> On 31 Oct 2016, at 15:34, Fanus > wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Anne
>> I experience the same problem with the iPhone 5S. I shall test to see if my 
>> problem is also VO related.
>> Regards
>> Fanus
>>  
>>  
>> From: Anne Robertson <>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <>
>> Subject: Re: VoiceOver draining battery since 10.1 update
>>  
>> I’m currently doing a complete restore of my iPhone, which means I’ll have 
>> to download all the Navigon maps and fix other settings.
>> The problem occurred at home with a good connexion to our network. I find it 
>> interesting that turning VoiceOver off cures the problem, so the internet 
>> connexion couldn’t be the issue.
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Anne
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 22:39, Feliciano Godoy > 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Are you experiencing this behavior at different locations as well? This 
>>> type of behavior also occurs when your phone is looking for service. How 
>>> how about if you try to put your phone on airplane mode for an hour or two 
>>> and see the battery life difference.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Feliciano
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>>> 
>>> Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Anne Robertson > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Feliciano,
  
 I already did a reset of my i phone to no effect.
  
 Cheers,
  
 Anne
  
  
  
> On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:30, Feliciano Godoy > 
> wrote:
>  
> I suggest you reset all settings. This may fix the issue that you're 
> having.
> 
> Regards,
> Feliciano
> For tech tips and updates, LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v 
> 
> Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v 
> 
> 
> On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Anne Robertson > 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello fellow listers,
>> 
>> After doing the iOS 10.1 update on my 64 GB iPhone SE, I noticed a 
>> sudden excessive battery drain while not using my iPhone.
>> I turned off all background refresh activities for all apps. I left two 
>> apps in the App Switcher: Kobo and Audible.
>> With VoiceOver active but the screen locked, the battery drain was 
>> between 4 and 5% per hour.
>> I then turned VoiceOver off and locked the screen. After an hour, there 
>> was no noticeable battery drain.
>> I Therefore conclude that VoiceOver is draining my battery.
>> 
>> I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

[Mary Otten]

Hi Sieghard,
I really like using a Bluetooth keyboard with the Apple TV. But regarding 
controlling the system, is there a way to do a two finger flick up equivalent 
with the Bluetooth keyboard?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Keep in mind that you can dictate anywhere including spelling passwords and 
> user names. Also, if you have a bluetooth keyboard you can pair it for easier 
> typing and in fact you can pretty much control the Apple TV completely with a 
> bluetooth keyboard. Only thing I can't remember now is if there is a way to 
> invoke SIRI with a bluetooth keyboard.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Loving Apple tv, have more questions
> 
> Hello to Daniel and all who have helped me with my Apple tv, so far. I really 
> appreciate it.
> 
> 
> I really dislike saying this, because I was so hesetant to purchase it. 
> But I absolutely love it! I think it's awesome!
> 
> 
> My friend helped me set it up, because I didn't see the message in time, 
> telling me how to start voiceover. But once we got voiceover on, I took 
> it over.
> 
> I actually like the little gesture area. I thought it would be very 
> difficult to use. But not at all. And I like how you press the little 
> clicker thing at the end. Ok, surely not the propper name for it. LOL!
> 
> The keyboard is still a bit confusing to me. But overall I like the new 
> set up so far. I find it faster to choose letters, and such.
> 
> 
> Also, one feature I really loved, was how easy it was to set it up, and 
> connect to my network. I liked how I unlocked my phone, and held it near 
> the tv. That was too cool how it used the bluetooth. The set up was 
> flawless.
> 
> 
> I haven't done much with it, beyond that. Mainly, because I am not sure 
> what to do.
> 
> 
> How do I get my apps like, CBS, Hulu, and Netflix on there?
> 
> Even if they are on my Ipad, and I have subscriptions, do I have to 
> download them on to the Apple TV?
> 
> I couldn't find an area where I could see all my apps. But maybe I don't 
> know where to look.
> 
> 
> Also, if I want other free or subscription-based apps for movies, or tv 
> shows, how do I go about finding such stuff?
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't know many apps, and I honestly don't know how to 
> search for such things.
> 
> I'd like to find apps that are pretty accessible. But I'd try some apps 
> just to check them out as well, if I knew how to find them.
> 
> 
> Also, how do you know which news apps give broadcasts of stories, and 
> not just articles?
> 
> I know NPR has a news app.
> 
> 
> Any help with any of this would be much appreciated. I'm going to mess 
> around with the Apple tv more, tomorrow. I am definitely happy I bought 
> it. I can't believe now that I was so intimidated by it.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
> 
> 
>> On 11/2/2016 9:42 AM, Daniel L. Gervais wrote:
>> Hi Terri,
>> 
>> I think you will enjoy your new Apple TV, I know I bought the exact same one 
>> and I love it.
>> 
>> As for the remote, below the gesture area, from the top left going down, you 
>> have the Menu, Siri and Play/Pause buttons.  From the top right going down, 
>> you have the Home button and below that is the Volume Up and Down rocker.
>> 
>> To enable VoiceOver, simply press the Play/Pause button three times and 
>> after a few tries, VoiceOver should begin speaking.
>> 
>> When inputting text, the keyboard is layed out a little diffrently with the 
>> first row being the letters A to Z and the next row below being the numbers 
>> and punctuation symbols.  Below that row is buttons to toggle between 
>> lowercase and uppercase letters, but if you press the Play/Pause button, 
>> this will do the same.
>> 
>> You can also use Siri to dictate anything in an edit field, this also 
>> includes passwords.  Simply press and hold the Siri button and dictate.  
>> When you're done, let go of the button and your text will be inputted.
>> 
>> While on the Home screen, you can even ask Siri, by pressing and holding 
>> while you talk and letting go when your done.
>> 
>> You can always check on www.applevis.com for How To's on using the Apple TV. 
>>  I believe that David Woodbridge has quite a few podcasts on doing just 
>> about anything on the Apple TV.
>> 
>> Hope this helps!
>> 
>> 
>> From:Terri Stimmel 
>> To:"viphone@googlegroups.com" 
>> Date:2016/11/02 10:12 AM
>> Subject:Got my new Apple TV, need a bit of help!
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> Well, I broke down and purchased my new Apple tv last night. I got the
>> 32 gig model. I didn't mess with it last night though, because I just
>> wasn't feeling the best.
>> 
>> 
>> It's all open, and all hooked up now. It is a little 

unable to read wall street journal

[Larry McCreary]

Hello,
Recently I have been unable to read my subscription to the journal.  It has 
worked fine for a long time.  When I open an article I see the message article 
null.  The material is there but I can’t read it.  I can change pages but 
nothing reads.  Sighted inspection reveals the printed material is there.
If anyone has a suggestion I would appreciate it.  I am running the most recent 
iOS.

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RE: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Keep in mind that you can dictate anywhere including spelling passwords and 
user names. Also, if you have a bluetooth keyboard you can pair it for easier 
typing and in fact you can pretty much control the Apple TV completely with a 
bluetooth keyboard. Only thing I can't remember now is if there is a way to 
invoke SIRI with a bluetooth keyboard.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

Hello to Daniel and all who have helped me with my Apple tv, so far. I really 
appreciate it.


I really dislike saying this, because I was so hesetant to purchase it. 
But I absolutely love it! I think it's awesome!


My friend helped me set it up, because I didn't see the message in time, 
telling me how to start voiceover. But once we got voiceover on, I took 
it over.

I actually like the little gesture area. I thought it would be very 
difficult to use. But not at all. And I like how you press the little 
clicker thing at the end. Ok, surely not the propper name for it. LOL!

The keyboard is still a bit confusing to me. But overall I like the new 
set up so far. I find it faster to choose letters, and such.


Also, one feature I really loved, was how easy it was to set it up, and 
connect to my network. I liked how I unlocked my phone, and held it near 
the tv. That was too cool how it used the bluetooth. The set up was 
flawless.


I haven't done much with it, beyond that. Mainly, because I am not sure 
what to do.


How do I get my apps like, CBS, Hulu, and Netflix on there?

Even if they are on my Ipad, and I have subscriptions, do I have to 
download them on to the Apple TV?

I couldn't find an area where I could see all my apps. But maybe I don't 
know where to look.


Also, if I want other free or subscription-based apps for movies, or tv 
shows, how do I go about finding such stuff?

Unfortunately, I don't know many apps, and I honestly don't know how to 
search for such things.

I'd like to find apps that are pretty accessible. But I'd try some apps 
just to check them out as well, if I knew how to find them.


Also, how do you know which news apps give broadcasts of stories, and 
not just articles?

I know NPR has a news app.


Any help with any of this would be much appreciated. I'm going to mess 
around with the Apple tv more, tomorrow. I am definitely happy I bought 
it. I can't believe now that I was so intimidated by it.


Thank you,


Terri


On 11/2/2016 9:42 AM, Daniel L. Gervais wrote:
> Hi Terri,
>
> I think you will enjoy your new Apple TV, I know I bought the exact same one 
> and I love it.
>
> As for the remote, below the gesture area, from the top left going down, you 
> have the Menu, Siri and Play/Pause buttons.  From the top right going down, 
> you have the Home button and below that is the Volume Up and Down rocker.
>
> To enable VoiceOver, simply press the Play/Pause button three times and after 
> a few tries, VoiceOver should begin speaking.
>
> When inputting text, the keyboard is layed out a little diffrently with the 
> first row being the letters A to Z and the next row below being the numbers 
> and punctuation symbols.  Below that row is buttons to toggle between 
> lowercase and uppercase letters, but if you press the Play/Pause button, this 
> will do the same.
>
> You can also use Siri to dictate anything in an edit field, this also 
> includes passwords.  Simply press and hold the Siri button and dictate.  When 
> you're done, let go of the button and your text will be inputted.
>
> While on the Home screen, you can even ask Siri, by pressing and holding 
> while you talk and letting go when your done.
>
> You can always check on www.applevis.com for How To's on using the Apple TV.  
> I believe that David Woodbridge has quite a few podcasts on doing just about 
> anything on the Apple TV.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
>
> From: Terri Stimmel 
> To:   "viphone@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: 2016/11/02 10:12 AM
> Subject:  Got my new Apple TV, need a bit of help!
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> Well, I broke down and purchased my new Apple tv last night. I got the
> 32 gig model. I didn't mess with it last night though, because I just
> wasn't feeling the best.
>
>
> It's all open, and all hooked up now. It is a little chunkier, and
> bigger. But I think I like that. I do like the remote much better,
> because it too seems thicker, and maybe not as easy to lose. I lost one
> once. LOL!
>
>
> Now here is where I need some help please.
>
> When I go to the input where the Apple tv is, nothing seems to happen.
> On my older model, it asked about Voiceover.
>
>
> So first of all, can someone kindly explain the layout of the buttons to
> me, and what they are?
>
> This would really be very helpful. I found the area for the 

RE: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There is no official Kodi app you can simply download, if there were of course 
there would be no reason why companies would sell an Apple TV with Kodi 
installed for an upcharge. It would appear that you can sideload Kodi using 
Xcode, of course this is probably something a lot of people can't do because I 
believe you definitely need a Mac for this so if you are a PC user as far as I 
know this is not possible.
Apparently all of us with an old Apple TV 2 could jailbreak it and install Kodi 
on it and hence have an accessible box with Kodi. Something I may look into.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
billy inglis
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 3:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

HI Chris, I have found a company here in the UK, where the new apple 4 tv can 
be purchased with Kodi already installed, or Kodi can be installed for you on 
an existent apple tv. The apple tv with Kodi is costed at £185 and for an 
existent apple tv £25 for Kodi to be installed, Billy



  On 02/11/2016 20:44, christopher hallsworth wrote:
> I got mine from Apple directly but am sure that's not the only place you can 
> get it from. There is one certain exception and that is Amazon who claims it 
> is for competitive reasons they are not allowing the sale of Apple TV.
>
>
>> On 1 Nov 2016, at 14:10, Billy Inglis  wrote:
>>
>> hi guys, Just wondering, if Apple is the only place I can purchase an 
>> Apple tv here in the UK?, bBilly
>>
>> On 31/10/2016 19:54, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>>> Hello Mary, and mama peach, I appreciate both of your thoughts on the 
>>> subject. I appreciate what you had to say, and that you supported what you 
>>> had to say. It really made me think, and it's making this process just a 
>>> bit more easier for me. So that makes me happy. This isn't an easy thing 
>>> for me, because I don't like change, or upgrades, or updates. Although, I 
>>> am starting to like more updates, as that usually makes things better. Even 
>>> if you have to wait for another update, to get some bugs fixed sometimes.
>>>
>>> But what I don't really understand is, why they are offering these newer 
>>> Apple TVs with all this space. I mean, if you want everything to stream 
>>> from your TV, set of books, and games, and the like, then that makes sense. 
>>> But I don't, as I have said before. So I guess this must put me in the 
>>> minority.
>>>
>>> If I get a 32 gig model, I don't know what to put on it. I don't know how 
>>> to make it useful. I'm really confused here. Maybe I am overthinking it, 
>>> but that is just how I am, and who I am. That's not an easy thing to change 
>>> about one's self.
>>>
>>> Thank you for understanding, and reading this message. And again, thank you 
>>> so very much for the advice.
>>>
>>> Terri
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:53 PM -0500, "MamaPeach" 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> That is what I would go with since you don't want music, games, or books, 
>>> the 32 gig would be the way to go for $149.
>>>
>>> From: Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:13 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?
>>>
>>> Well, I wouldn't do it. That's not that much cheaper than the new one. And 
>>> if money is a problem, you could get the 32 GB one new for cheaper, and 
>>> probably cheaper than that refurbished. You probably will not need the 64 
>>> GB model. Just don't download screen savers that you can't look at. Apps 
>>> are not large. We have the 32 GB model, and we are nowhere near running out 
>>> of space. Just my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Terri Stimmel 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> I found a deal on Best Buy for a 64 gig Apple TV. I was wondering if this 
>>> was really a good deal, or not. The unit is refurbished, but this does not 
>>> bother me.
>>>
>>> They are asking $470.
>>>
>>> What do you all think? I'm sorry, that was supposed to be, they are asking 
>>> for $170.
>>> What do you all think? Is this deal worth it?
>>> I unfortunately got installed the Best Buy app, because I find it to be a 
>>> bit of a pain to use.
>>> However, it had all of my information. Now that I have reinstalled it, of 
>>> course all of that is gone. So now I have to do that part all over again, 
>>> which is rather irritating!
>>>
>>> I would like to purchase this, but only if it is really a good deal. If 
>>> not. I would use to wait. I think that would be better.
>>>
>>> Can you help with this would be very much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Terri
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for 

Re: Getting Ads In Twitterific

[Keith B.]

Thanks, Greg. I found it by going to the sidebar, clicking Advanced Issues, 
and flicking down to the Restore Purchases options. 

On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 9:26:22 PM UTC-5, Keith B. wrote:
>
> i just got an iphone 7 and restored from iCloud so I could keep apps and 
> settings I had on my 6. But now I am getting ads in Twitterific, which 
> never happened until the restoration. 
>
> I looked in settings and found no way to restore purchases, so I'm curious 
> as to what may be going on. Any advice would be appreciated. 
>
> Thanks. 
>
> Keith 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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iMessage bug

[Lynette frison]

Hey all,

Since updating to iOS 10.1.1, the messaging apps feature in iMessage doesn't 
work like it's supposed to. The only way to cycle between iMessage apps or 
stickers is to turn VO off and swipe left with one finger. I have quite a few 
sticker packs and apps that I use, so this is very tedious. Has anyone else 
noticed this?

Lynette


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Re: what are your experiences with braille displays and ios/bluetooth?

[Anouk Radix]

Hi Scott,
I tried hid also but that does not seem to work on the iphone (by that I mean i 
tried connecting the brailliant while its protocol was set to openbraille 
instead of humanware and the channel to bluetooth).
I dont think the refreshbraille is sold here in the Netherlands but the himms 
displays are being sold here nowedays. I did hear though that some himms 
displays have a bug where braille input/typing is  concerned?
Not that that would be a big issue for me but still…
Greetings, Anouk,
> On 2 Nov 2016, at 13:50, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> Yes, I've also noticed that the Brailliant display line has had
> various issues with Bluetooth connectivity over the past few years.
> The newer firmware seemed to be a bit better when using the HID mode,
> but I haven't honestly used it enough to really say that it's better
> over a longer period of time. I find the Resreshabraille and the HIMS
> products seem to hold the connection better. The first and second
> generation of the Refreshabraille don't seem to hold the connection
> over a distance of 3 or 4 meters, but the newer generation, along with
> the Braille Edge and Braille Sense tend to hold the connection pretty
> stable for about 10 meters.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 11/2/16, Anouk Radix  wrote:
>> Todd,
>> I use the humanware brailliant bi40 with an iphone 6 and latest ios 10
>> version. I am not sure hwat you ean by what kind or type of bluetooth…. I
>> use the humanware braille protocol…
>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>> On 2 Nov 2016, at 05:01, Todd Patkus  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anouk,
>>> 
>>> What Braille display from HumanWare are you using?  What type or kind of
>>> bluetooth are you using?
>>> 
>>> I am a strong Braille user.  I have a HIMS Braille Sense U2 Mini with an
>>> iPhone 6s.  they work excellent.
>>> 
>>> I am sure Rich will tell you something.  Let him tell you about his
>>> devices.
>>> 
>>> Todd
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Anouk Radix
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: what are your experiences with braille displays and
>>> ios/bluetooth?
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I am doing a lot more with my iphone these days but want to keep my
>>> braille reading skills in tact. I use voicedream a lot and a lot of the
>>> books that I have in there are epub or text so no problem to read those
>>> with a braille display. Only the one that I have now the humanware
>>> brailliant bi40 has a VERY unstable and slow bluetooth connection. I love
>>> it for its form factor its looks its sturdyness its braille cells and its
>>> performance through usb with windows and mac but its bluetooth performance
>>> simply really sucks its slow and VERY unstable often I am not capable to
>>> get the connection back either.
>>> I was wondering what are your experiences regarding braille displays/ios
>>> and bluetooth stability? I will be able to get a new braille display next
>>> year and the bluetooth performance will be a major deciding factor.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
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RE: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

[Tom Rash]

I do not have the Apple TV on right now, but across the top of the screen if 
you swite to the right, you will see the app store.  Click on that andyou will 
find all of the apps that you can download, including Hulu, Netflix and much 
more.---Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Loving Apple tv, have more questions

Hello to Daniel and all who have helped me with my Apple tv, so far. I 
really appreciate it.


I really dislike saying this, because I was so hesetant to purchase it. 
But I absolutely love it! I think it's awesome!


My friend helped me set it up, because I didn't see the message in time, 
telling me how to start voiceover. But once we got voiceover on, I took 
it over.

I actually like the little gesture area. I thought it would be very 
difficult to use. But not at all. And I like how you press the little 
clicker thing at the end. Ok, surely not the propper name for it. LOL!

The keyboard is still a bit confusing to me. But overall I like the new 
set up so far. I find it faster to choose letters, and such.


Also, one feature I really loved, was how easy it was to set it up, and 
connect to my network. I liked how I unlocked my phone, and held it near 
the tv. That was too cool how it used the bluetooth. The set up was 
flawless.


I haven't done much with it, beyond that. Mainly, because I am not sure 
what to do.


How do I get my apps like, CBS, Hulu, and Netflix on there?

Even if they are on my Ipad, and I have subscriptions, do I have to 
download them on to the Apple TV?

I couldn't find an area where I could see all my apps. But maybe I don't 
know where to look.


Also, if I want other free or subscription-based apps for movies, or tv 
shows, how do I go about finding such stuff?

Unfortunately, I don't know many apps, and I honestly don't know how to 
search for such things.

I'd like to find apps that are pretty accessible. But I'd try some apps 
just to check them out as well, if I knew how to find them.


Also, how do you know which news apps give broadcasts of stories, and 
not just articles?

I know NPR has a news app.


Any help with any of this would be much appreciated. I'm going to mess 
around with the Apple tv more, tomorrow. I am definitely happy I bought 
it. I can't believe now that I was so intimidated by it.


Thank you,


Terri


On 11/2/2016 9:42 AM, Daniel L. Gervais wrote:
> Hi Terri,
>
> I think you will enjoy your new Apple TV, I know I bought the exact same one 
> and I love it.
>
> As for the remote, below the gesture area, from the top left going down, you 
> have the Menu, Siri and Play/Pause buttons.  From the top right going down, 
> you have the Home button and below that is the Volume Up and Down rocker.
>
> To enable VoiceOver, simply press the Play/Pause button three times and after 
> a few tries, VoiceOver should begin speaking.
>
> When inputting text, the keyboard is layed out a little diffrently with the 
> first row being the letters A to Z and the next row below being the numbers 
> and punctuation symbols.  Below that row is buttons to toggle between 
> lowercase and uppercase letters, but if you press the Play/Pause button, this 
> will do the same.
>
> You can also use Siri to dictate anything in an edit field, this also 
> includes passwords.  Simply press and hold the Siri button and dictate.  When 
> you're done, let go of the button and your text will be inputted.
>
> While on the Home screen, you can even ask Siri, by pressing and holding 
> while you talk and letting go when your done.
>
> You can always check on www.applevis.com for How To's on using the Apple TV.  
> I believe that David Woodbridge has quite a few podcasts on doing just about 
> anything on the Apple TV.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
>
> From: Terri Stimmel 
> To:   "viphone@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: 2016/11/02 10:12 AM
> Subject:  Got my new Apple TV, need a bit of help!
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> Well, I broke down and purchased my new Apple tv last night. I got the
> 32 gig model. I didn't mess with it last night though, because I just
> wasn't feeling the best.
>
>
> It's all open, and all hooked up now. It is a little chunkier, and
> bigger. But I think I like that. I do like the remote much better,
> because it too seems thicker, and maybe not as easy to lose. I lost one
> once. LOL!
>
>
> Now here is where I need some help please.
>
> When I go to the input where the Apple tv is, nothing seems to happen.
> On my older model, it asked about Voiceover.
>
>
> So first of all, can someone kindly explain the layout of the buttons to
> me, and what they are?
>
> This would really be very helpful. I found the area for the gestures.
>
>
> Now how can I get voiceover on?
>
> Will I need sighted assistence for this?
>
> I pushed a couple of 

Internet browser on Apple TV

[Gianni]

Hello everyone,
I have a question about the apple tv. Is it already possible to install an 
internet browser on the latest Apple tv? If yes, can you play websites with 
flash on it?


Gianni

Skype: giannijuve
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Re: Getting Ads In Twitterific

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,

I had this happen to me as well wehn I installed it onto my iPhone 7 
plus. The option to restore your purchase is in there somewhere. I don't 
think it was in the settings though. It was in one of the other options 
you get when you open up the sidebar.



Regards,

Greg WOcher


On 11/2/2016 10:26 PM, Keith Bundy wrote:

i just got an iphone 7 and restored from iCloud so I could keep apps and 
settings I had on my 6. But now I am getting ads in Twitterific, which never 
happened until the restoration.

I looked in settings and found no way to restore purchases, so I'm curious as 
to what may be going on. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Keith

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Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

[billy inglis]

HI Chris, I have found a company here in the UK, where the new apple 4 
tv can be purchased with Kodi already installed, or Kodi can be 
installed for you on an existent apple tv. The apple tv with Kodi is 
costed at £185 and for an existent apple tv £25 for Kodi to be 
installed, Billy




 On 02/11/2016 20:44, christopher hallsworth wrote:

I got mine from Apple directly but am sure that's not the only place you can 
get it from. There is one certain exception and that is Amazon who claims it is 
for competitive reasons they are not allowing the sale of Apple TV.



On 1 Nov 2016, at 14:10, Billy Inglis  wrote:

hi guys, Just wondering, if Apple is the only place I can purchase an Apple tv 
here in the UK?, bBilly

On 31/10/2016 19:54, Terri Stimmel wrote:

Hello Mary, and mama peach, I appreciate both of your thoughts on the subject. 
I appreciate what you had to say, and that you supported what you had to say. 
It really made me think, and it's making this process just a bit more easier 
for me. So that makes me happy. This isn't an easy thing for me, because I 
don't like change, or upgrades, or updates. Although, I am starting to like 
more updates, as that usually makes things better. Even if you have to wait for 
another update, to get some bugs fixed sometimes.

But what I don't really understand is, why they are offering these newer Apple 
TVs with all this space. I mean, if you want everything to stream from your TV, 
set of books, and games, and the like, then that makes sense. But I don't, as I 
have said before. So I guess this must put me in the minority.

If I get a 32 gig model, I don't know what to put on it. I don't know how to 
make it useful. I'm really confused here. Maybe I am overthinking it, but that 
is just how I am, and who I am. That's not an easy thing to change about one's 
self.

Thank you for understanding, and reading this message. And again, thank you so 
very much for the advice.

Terri

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:53 PM -0500, "MamaPeach" 
> wrote:

That is what I would go with since you don't want music, games, or books, the 
32 gig would be the way to go for $149.

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

Well, I wouldn't do it. That's not that much cheaper than the new one. And if 
money is a problem, you could get the 32 GB one new for cheaper, and probably 
cheaper than that refurbished. You probably will not need the 64 GB model. Just 
don't download screen savers that you can't look at. Apps are not large. We 
have the 32 GB model, and we are nowhere near running out of space. Just my 
opinion.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Terri Stimmel 
> wrote:

Hello everybody,

I found a deal on Best Buy for a 64 gig Apple TV. I was wondering if this was 
really a good deal, or not. The unit is refurbished, but this does not bother 
me.

They are asking $470.

What do you all think? I'm sorry, that was supposed to be, they are asking for 
$170.
What do you all think? Is this deal worth it?
I unfortunately got installed the Best Buy app, because I find it to be a bit 
of a pain to use.
However, it had all of my information. Now that I have reinstalled it, of 
course all of that is gone. So now I have to do that part all over again, which 
is rather irritating!

I would like to purchase this, but only if it is really a good deal. If not. I 
would use to wait. I think that would be better.

Can you help with this would be very much appreciated.

Thank you,

Terri

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Re: Apple tv, and Hulu

[MamaPeach]

Yes, each time I try to watch anything on Hulu, I get kicked out too. I hope 
this will be fixed in an upcoming update or I will cancel my Hulu 
subscription.


-Original Message- 
From: Terri Stimmel

Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 4:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple tv, and Hulu

Hello everyone,


Well, I went to the App store earlier, and I found the purchased
section. There I found a few of my previous downloads like, Hulu,
Netflix, CBS, and a couple others. I got them installed with no issues.
I got signed in to both Netflix and Hulu. Though this took some time, as
I had to remember a password.

I'll have to get help signing in to CBS, because the code reads too
fast. I don't think I can get Voiceover to read it back.


I still want to add some more Apps. So I am hoping you all may have some
ideas for me.


Now to say all that, here is my situation.


I got signed in to Hulu. It lagged, just like it did with the older
Apple tv. It just didn't say connecting a few times, this time.

It started reading shows. I thought it would just mention one, and then
stop. But it didn't. I guess it's the top stuff, because it isn't
normally stuff I watch.

Is there a way to stop this from happening? Or will it just do this from
now on?


But that's not my biggest concern.


I watch Grey's Anatomy a lot on Hulu. I found the watch list, and I
found Grey's. I found the episode I wanted.

I tried to play it, but it won't work. It plays maybe 2 seconds, every
time I try. Then it completely throws me out of Hulu.

I tried 3, or 4 times. But it just wouldn't work. So I gave up.


Is anyone else using Hulu on the new Apple tv?

If so, are you having any issues?


I know it's not my wireless connection. The Apps installed quickly.
Plus, I got CNN news clips to play just fine.


Any thoughts would surely be appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Apps Updating Even When Background Refresh Is Off

[Rajmund]

Hello, settings, iTunes and app store. Here, turn off automatic updates.




Sent from an iPad Air

> On 2 Nov 2016, at 10:19 pm, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know how to stop this? Background App Refresh definitely is off, 
> but some apps still update automatically. It started  after updating to  IOS 
> 10. 
> 
> Thanks for any information. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
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Apple tv, and Hulu

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


Well, I went to the App store earlier, and I found the purchased 
section. There I found a few of my previous downloads like, Hulu, 
Netflix, CBS, and a couple others. I got them installed with no issues. 
I got signed in to both Netflix and Hulu. Though this took some time, as 
I had to remember a password.

I'll have to get help signing in to CBS, because the code reads too 
fast. I don't think I can get Voiceover to read it back.


I still want to add some more Apps. So I am hoping you all may have some 
ideas for me.


Now to say all that, here is my situation.


I got signed in to Hulu. It lagged, just like it did with the older 
Apple tv. It just didn't say connecting a few times, this time.

It started reading shows. I thought it would just mention one, and then 
stop. But it didn't. I guess it's the top stuff, because it isn't 
normally stuff I watch.

Is there a way to stop this from happening? Or will it just do this from 
now on?


But that's not my biggest concern.


I watch Grey's Anatomy a lot on Hulu. I found the watch list, and I 
found Grey's. I found the episode I wanted.

I tried to play it, but it won't work. It plays maybe 2 seconds, every 
time I try. Then it completely throws me out of Hulu.

I tried 3, or 4 times. But it just wouldn't work. So I gave up.


Is anyone else using Hulu on the new Apple tv?

If so, are you having any issues?


I know it's not my wireless connection. The Apps installed quickly. 
Plus, I got CNN news clips to play just fine.


Any thoughts would surely be appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: Voice Dream Reader and Using Siri Voices?

[Jeffrey Turner]

I’m using Alex on mine now, and enjoy it very much.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Minor
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 11:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Using Siri Voices?

 

Hi.

 

I’m curious about using native voices in Voice Dream Reader.  Does this include 
Alex?  If so it may make me lean to getting renewed with Book Share.

 

Thanks in advance for any info.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

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RE: Voice Dream Reader and Using Siri Voices?

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

I’m curious about using native voices in Voice Dream Reader.  Does this include 
Alex?  If so it may make me lean to getting renewed with Book Share.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.
Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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