Re: Voice dream reader update

[kelby carlson]

Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes for all 
apps.)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, Andy, I have been bitten in the butt before with updates. Losing 
> library and having to rebuild them. So I’m not too interested in just 
> updating for updating say.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>> If the update is free, why not?
>> Updates usually contain under the hood improvements and bug fixes.
>> Andy
>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>> To: ; 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:03 PM
>> Subject: Voice dream reader update
>> 
>> 
>> I see that there is a Voice Dream reader update out which says it has 
>> compatibility with iOS 12. The only things mentioned in the notes are Siri 
>> shortcuts and reading list. And the specific thing about Siri shortcuts 
>> relates to reading list. So if you don’t care about reading list which I 
>> don’t, why update? Is there anything in here that isn’t mentioned that makes 
>> it worthwhile to take a chance?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri Shortcuts on Spotify?

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

First, TuneIn has to be updated to support Shortcuts and I think the app will 
be available later today. It is an iteration of the current Workflow app 

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 1:45 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’d like to have a shortcut to get Siri to open BBC iPlayer Radio or TuneIn 
> Radio and then play Radio 4 or another station. I simply cannot work out how 
> to use tge Shortcuts app (I have iOS public beta). Is this project possible? 
> Will some smarter person produce a podcast?
> Thanks
> Harry
> 
>> On 16 Sep 2018, at 16:55, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jessica,
>> 
>> That kind of shortcut will be handled in the Shortcuts app, and yes, it 
>> should be possible to do what you suggest.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jessica Dail  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Can shortcuts have multiple steps? for example, I could create a "work" 
>>> shorcut, that would text specific people to notify them that I'm headed in 
>>> their direction, and start a podcast at the same time? 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
 
 Hi Gera and all,
 
 First, make sure to update your apps and check the description of what's 
 new. If Spotify has Siri shortcuts, they'll probably say so in that 
 description.
 
 Next, open Siri settings, and choose All Shortcuts. Each app that has 
 shortcuts is listed and is preceded by a heading. find the app you want to 
 use, Spotify in this case. Any possible shortcuts are listed below the 
 heading. Double-tap the one you're interested in. You'll find a Start 
 Recording button. Double-tap it, and say the phrase you want to use to 
 activate the shortcut. Recording will stop soon after you stop speaking. 
 Now the shortcut screen shows the phrase you spoke along with a Re-record 
 Phrase button you can use if it got it wrong.
 
 From now on, to activate your shortcut, activate Siri and speak the phrase.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
> On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> In the Pandora Thread, I understood one of you guys mentioned Spotify and 
> Siri shortcuts? Could you guys kind of explain how it’ll work, so when I 
> get iOS12 Monday I can debut this feature? This is getting exciting! I’ve 
> always wanted to tell siri “Play Oasis Familiar to Million on Spotify” is 
> this kind of what will be done via the Siri shortcuts?
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
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Re: some apple watch questions

[Lynda Ingraham]

Hi, 


Will the watch continually announce your heart rate during exercise? Cardiac 
rehab provided upper limits that I need to be mindful of when exercising.
Thank you.

Lynda

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, the watch can track your steps when the phone is off. It also tracks 
> your heartbeat and activity and will send all the info to the Health app on 
> your phone the next time it's connected to the phone.
> 
> Even the ones that don't have cellular connections can connect to any Wi-Fi 
> network your phone has connected to, and while they're connected, they can 
> send and receive iMessages. Features like the timer and stopwatch also work. 
> And if your watch is cellular, it can make phone calls when the phone is off.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:06 PM, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> this thread is interesting me. I am thinking about asking for an Apple Watch 
>> Series 4 for Christmas. So if I get one, can I have my phone off and have 
>> the watch track my steps?
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know if it’s changing much this year if at all, but last year, I 
>>> believe the going rate was $10 a month if you had a cellular watch. And 
>>> yes, you can take the watch out without the phone if you have the cellular 
>>> model. You still have to have a phone to pair it up at Cetera. But you can 
>>> have it and have your phone at home.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2018, at 3:57 PM, regina alvarado  
 wrote:
 
 I am toying with getting the series 4 watch also, especially for the 
 fitness parts. However, a friend and I were talking about it and listening 
 to the keynote on it. She really thinks it would benefit her a lot. I 
 brought up a question for her, and she asked me to ask my gurus! LOL!
 
 So, two questions gurus. First, my friend has a vagal nerve stimulator for 
 seizures. Would the watch interfere with it or visa versa? If nobody 
 knows, how would she find out? Secondly, with cellular can you take the 
 watch out without the phone? Does anyone know how much carriers are 
 charging for the cellular? Thanks in advance for any answers you can give. 
 
 Reggie and Lex
 God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
 gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend 
 all day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the 
 spirits of a broken heart." So God made a dog.
 
 
 On Sep 16, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Lois Butterfield  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 To those of you who work out, UA Record app works fantastically on the 
 watch and has any workout you can imagine.  I use it for Crossfit, and it 
 works very well and is completely accessible.
 
 Take care,
 Lois
 
 -Original Message- From: Chris Chaffin
 Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:08 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: some apple watch questions
 
 The fantastic thing about the Apple Watch is that it can be used in so 
 many ways.  It is so much more than a time piece!
 You have the weather, your calendar, plus many other choices right on the 
 clock face for quick and easy access.
 Plus, like others have said, you also have access to your notifications 
 and messages right at your finger tips without ever touching your phone!
 
 I also did not know what I would do with an Apple Watch, but now, I can 
 not imagine what I would do without one!
 
 Chris
 
 
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> I have two Braille watches. But I do wonder why I would want an Apple 
> watch? What would it do for me, especially since I have an iPhone? I'm 
> not a swimmer, so that part of it has no application to me.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
> Barton
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:20 PM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: some apple watch questions
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i have been toying with the idea of getting the apple watch. So don't 
> laugh, right now, i have a braille watch, yea i know, old, lol.
> Honestly i haven't really played with the apple watch.  What's everyone's 
> thoughts on it?  The list of things you can do with it, it's crazy.
> Just wanna get some general opinions.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jed
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Seeking Advice for a Classical Music Service

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

As a serious listener to classical music for sixty-five years, I am looking
for the best selection of classical music on a music service that offers an
iOs app.  Last time I did a serious check of services, Tidal was the leader
in terms of number and range of selections and also in terms of granular
search capability.  I found that music services fell down in the areas of
proper labeling of artists, opus numbers, recording dates, and so on.  It
would be wonderful, for instance, to find a service that would allow me to
search for and listen to a particular Ba- prelude and fugue after searching
for it by BWV catalogue listing.  Does anyone have recommendations for such
a service?  Has anyone tried Primephonic, either using the app or the PC
version?  Thanks for all help.

Craig

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Re: some apple watch questions

[Lynda Ingraham]

I would encourage your friend to contact the company that makes her implantable 
device. I have an implantable device for pain. There is so much variability 
between devices, I think the best source would be the company.


Lynda

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2018, at 6:57 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> I am toying with getting the series 4 watch also, especially for the fitness 
> parts. However, a friend and I were talking about it and listening to the 
> keynote on it. She really thinks it would benefit her a lot. I brought up a 
> question for her, and she asked me to ask my gurus! LOL!
> 
> So, two questions gurus. First, my friend has a vagal nerve stimulator for 
> seizures. Would the watch interfere with it or visa versa? If nobody knows, 
> how would she find out? Secondly, with cellular can you take the watch out 
> without the phone? Does anyone know how much carriers are charging for the 
> cellular? Thanks in advance for any answers you can give. 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> To those of you who work out, UA Record app works fantastically on the watch 
> and has any workout you can imagine.  I use it for Crossfit, and it works 
> very well and is completely accessible.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message- From: Chris Chaffin
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: some apple watch questions
> 
> The fantastic thing about the Apple Watch is that it can be used in so many 
> ways.  It is so much more than a time piece!
> You have the weather, your calendar, plus many other choices right on the 
> clock face for quick and easy access.
> Plus, like others have said, you also have access to your notifications and 
> messages right at your finger tips without ever touching your phone!
> 
> I also did not know what I would do with an Apple Watch, but now, I can not 
> imagine what I would do without one!
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have two Braille watches. But I do wonder why I would want an Apple watch? 
>> What would it do for me, especially since I have an iPhone? I'm not a 
>> swimmer, so that part of it has no application to me.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Carolyn
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
>> Barton
>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:20 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: some apple watch questions
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i have been toying with the idea of getting the apple watch. So don't 
>> laugh, right now, i have a braille watch, yea i know, old, lol.
>> Honestly i haven't really played with the apple watch.  What's everyone's 
>> thoughts on it?  The list of things you can do with it, it's crazy.
>> Just wanna get some general opinions.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>> 
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RE: Seeking Advice for a Classical Music Service

[Richard Turner]

Have you tried Apple Music?
I don’t’ use it, but they might have a well labelled collection.

I’ve not run across any specifically classical music services with that kind of 
search capacity.

Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Craig 
Werner
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:14 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Seeking Advice for a Classical Music Service

Hello, everyone.

As a serious listener to classical music for sixty-five years, I am looking for 
the best selection of classical music on a music service that offers an iOs 
app.  Last time I did a serious check of services, Tidal was the leader in 
terms of number and range of selections and also in terms of granular search 
capability.  I found that music services fell down in the areas of proper 
labeling of artists, opus numbers, recording dates, and so on.  It would be 
wonderful, for instance, to find a service that would allow me to search for 
and listen to a particular Ba- prelude and fugue after searching for it by BWV 
catalogue listing.  Does anyone have recommendations for such a service?  Has 
anyone tried Primephonic, either using the app or the PC version?  Thanks for 
all help.

Craig
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creating folders on home screen

[Vicki W.]

For some reason I cannot create a new folder on the home screen with either my 
mini IPad or my SE phone when in edit mode.

At one point, the option popped up and disappeared as fast as it appeared.

I have IOS 11.4 on both the phone and mini IPad. How can I create a new folder 
on the home screen?

Thanks.

Vicki

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RE: creating folders on home screen

[Richard Turner]

First, are you sure you have room on the home screen?
The only way I’ve done it is to drag an app onto another app and select create 
a folder with app X in the list of options when flicking up or down with one 
finger.
If you move an app that is already on the home screen to make a folder with 
another app on the home screen, then it should work.

Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:57 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: creating folders on home screen

For some reason I cannot create a new folder on the home screen with either my 
mini IPad or my SE phone when in edit mode.

At one point, the option popped up and disappeared as fast as it appeared.

I have IOS 11.4 on both the phone and mini IPad. How can I create a new folder 
on the home screen?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

[Russ Kiehne]

I only use itunes file sharing to transfer very large zip files into voice 
dream reader..  I’ll continue to use what I have until someone can tell me if 
file sharing is still accessible in itunes 12.9.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

I wouldn’t assume that it is because from what I heard it is largely 
inaccessible.

I would probably recommend not to upgrade at this point if this is so important 
to you.

I am on the iOS 12 public beta and not that log ago hooked up my phone to the 
laptop to transfer some ringtones to it. This is pretty much the only thing I 
ever use iTunes for at this point and if Apple made it possible one day to 
transfer ringtones to the phone via iCloud I would probably not even put iTunes 
on my computer any ore. Anyhow, what I wanted to say is that I was able to put 
the ringtones on my phone running iOS 12 just fine so I don’t think you need to 
upgrade to this version of iTunes if you upgrade to iOS 12. I haven’t really 
checked what this upgrade is supposed to do and of course it is always possible 
that the final release of iOS 12 will require this latest iTunes update, who 
knows.

One thing is for sure, if at all possible you want to upgrade to iOS 12 since 
it works great and especially if you have an older device you’ll notice 
improvements.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Russ 
Kiehne
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

 

Is file sharing still accessible in itunes 12.9?

 

From: Mary Otten 

Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 8:49 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

 

There have been reports of this problem on various lists. Some people say that 
is perfectly accessible with Jaws, while others say that column browsing is 
broken, but list view is fine. There was a big problem with nVDA, but that has 
apparently been fixed with  the release candidate three for the next version. I 
guess the thing is to upgrade at your own risk. I don’t know what accounts for 
the wide variation in results.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

  I have not updated yet, so it sounds like I shouldn't. Have you written to 
Apple? 

  Richard

   

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place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
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It looks to me like accessibility in itunes is completely broken in itunes 
12.9. I can’t navigate genras, albums or anything else. Anyone have any 
thoughts?

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Re: Seeking Advice for a Classical Music Service

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I use Apple Music, which works fine when selecting and searching from iPhone. 
But when using HomePod to request albums, composers or artists, Siri has great 
difficulty recognising “foreign” names - namely most of them!
Did Siri vote for brexit to keep foreigners out?
Harry

> On 17 Sep 2018, at 13:50, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Have you tried Apple Music?
> I don’t’ use it, but they might have a well labelled collection.
>  
> I’ve not run across any specifically classical music services with that kind 
> of search capacity.
>  
> Richard
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Craig 
> Werner
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:14 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Seeking Advice for a Classical Music Service
>  
> Hello, everyone.
>  
> As a serious listener to classical music for sixty-five years, I am looking 
> for the best selection of classical music on a music service that offers an 
> iOs app.  Last time I did a serious check of services, Tidal was the leader 
> in terms of number and range of selections and also in terms of granular 
> search capability.  I found that music services fell down in the areas of 
> proper labeling of artists, opus numbers, recording dates, and so on.  It 
> would be wonderful, for instance, to find a service that would allow me to 
> search for and listen to a particular Ba- prelude and fugue after searching 
> for it by BWV catalogue listing.  Does anyone have recommendations for such a 
> service?  Has anyone tried Primephonic, either using the app or the PC 
> version?  Thanks for all help.
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Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

[Russ Kiehne]

Can you try file sharing so I can find out if it’s still accessible?  

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 8:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

I just discovered that I am using itunes 12.9.  I guess I missed unchecking the 
check for updates automatically, so I ended up updating without realizing it.

However, I wouldn’t say accessibility is completely broken either.

I’m running the latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10 Home 64 bit.

I have never thought iTunes was particularly accessible in Windows after about 
iTunes 10 or maybe early itunes 11.

But, with much patience (or swearing) I can accomplish what I need to, like 
syncing music or adding Ringtones.

I also do passworded protected backups on the computer.

I do not use its file sharing as I have always found that to be too tedious for 
words.  If I want a file on my iPhone, I put it on dropbox and then add it to 
my phone.

 

I am using the iOS 12 beta on my iPhone.  

 

Richard

 

 

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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

 

I wouldn’t assume that it is because from what I heard it is largely 
inaccessible.

I would probably recommend not to upgrade at this point if this is so important 
to you.

I am on the iOS 12 public beta and not that log ago hooked up my phone to the 
laptop to transfer some ringtones to it. This is pretty much the only thing I 
ever use iTunes for at this point and if Apple made it possible one day to 
transfer ringtones to the phone via iCloud I would probably not even put iTunes 
on my computer any ore. Anyhow, what I wanted to say is that I was able to put 
the ringtones on my phone running iOS 12 just fine so I don’t think you need to 
upgrade to this version of iTunes if you upgrade to iOS 12. I haven’t really 
checked what this upgrade is supposed to do and of course it is always possible 
that the final release of iOS 12 will require this latest iTunes update, who 
knows.

One thing is for sure, if at all possible you want to upgrade to iOS 12 since 
it works great and especially if you have an older device you’ll notice 
improvements.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Russ 
Kiehne
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

 

Is file sharing still accessible in itunes 12.9?

 

From: Mary Otten 

Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 8:49 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

 

There have been reports of this problem on various lists. Some people say that 
is perfectly accessible with Jaws, while others say that column browsing is 
broken, but list view is fine. There was a big problem with nVDA, but that has 
apparently been fixed with  the release candidate three for the next version. I 
guess the thing is to upgrade at your own risk. I don’t know what accounts for 
the wide variation in results.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

  I have not updated yet, so it sounds like I shouldn't. Have you written to 
Apple? 

  Richard

   

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place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill

   

   

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It looks to me like accessibility in itunes is completely broken in itunes 
12.9. I can’t navigate genras, albums or anything else. Anyone have any 
thoughts?

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Re: creating folders on home screen

[Vicki W.]

Yes, there is room on the home screen and I tried it on a blank page as well. I 
think you answered my question, though. I am not wanting to combine two apps, 
only start a folder with a single app. I will try combining two apps and then 
if it works, I will move the app I don't want into the folder back to where it 
came from.

Thanks.


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  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:03 AM
  Subject: RE: creating folders on home screen


  First, are you sure you have room on the home screen?

  The only way I’ve done it is to drag an app onto another app and select 
create a folder with app X in the list of options when flicking up or down with 
one finger.

  If you move an app that is already on the home screen to make a folder with 
another app on the home screen, then it should work.

   

  Richard

   

   

   

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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki 
W.
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:57 AM
  To: IPhone 
  Subject: creating folders on home screen

   

  For some reason I cannot create a new folder on the home screen with either 
my mini IPad or my SE phone when in edit mode.

   

  At one point, the option popped up and disappeared as fast as it appeared.

   

  I have IOS 11.4 on both the phone and mini IPad. How can I create a new 
folder on the home screen?

   

  Thanks.

   

  Vicki

   

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RE: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

[Richard Turner]

Sorry, but as I said.  I find it too tedious for words.
I have never gotten it to read the app names as I arrow down the list or even 
use first letter navigation without having to tab and shift tab too many times 
to confirm if I am on the app I want.
I don’t know anyone else who uses File Sharing as much as you do.  I’ve always 
thought yu must have a magic touch to get it to work, grin.

Richard



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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Russ 
Kiehne
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

Can you try file sharing so I can find out if it’s still accessible?

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 8:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

I just discovered that I am using itunes 12.9.  I guess I missed unchecking the 
check for updates automatically, so I ended up updating without realizing it.
However, I wouldn’t say accessibility is completely broken either.
I’m running the latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10 Home 64 bit.
I have never thought iTunes was particularly accessible in Windows after about 
iTunes 10 or maybe early itunes 11.
But, with much patience (or swearing) I can accomplish what I need to, like 
syncing music or adding Ringtones.
I also do passworded protected backups on the computer.
I do not use its file sharing as I have always found that to be too tedious for 
words.  If I want a file on my iPhone, I put it on dropbox and then add it to 
my phone.

I am using the iOS 12 beta on my iPhone.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

I wouldn’t assume that it is because from what I heard it is largely 
inaccessible.
I would probably recommend not to upgrade at this point if this is so important 
to you.
I am on the iOS 12 public beta and not that log ago hooked up my phone to the 
laptop to transfer some ringtones to it. This is pretty much the only thing I 
ever use iTunes for at this point and if Apple made it possible one day to 
transfer ringtones to the phone via iCloud I would probably not even put iTunes 
on my computer any ore. Anyhow, what I wanted to say is that I was able to put 
the ringtones on my phone running iOS 12 just fine so I don’t think you need to 
upgrade to this version of iTunes if you upgrade to iOS 12. I haven’t really 
checked what this upgrade is supposed to do and of course it is always possible 
that the final release of iOS 12 will require this latest iTunes update, who 
knows.
One thing is for sure, if at all possible you want to upgrade to iOS 12 since 
it works great and especially if you have an older device you’ll notice 
improvements.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Russ 
Kiehne
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

Is file sharing still accessible in itunes 12.9?

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

There have been reports of this problem on various lists. Some people say that 
is perfectly accessible with Jaws, while others say that column browsing is 
broken, but list view is fine. There was a big problem with nVDA, but that has 
apparently been fixed with  the release candidate three for the next version. I 
guess the thing is to upgrade at your own risk. I don’t know what accounts for 
the wide variation in results.
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I have not updated yet, so it sounds like I shouldn't. Have you written to 
Apple?
Richard


"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill





[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:40 PM, 
"llump...@austin.rr.com" 
mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:
It looks to me like accessibility in itunes is completely broken in itunes 
12.9. I can’t navigate genras, albums or anything else. Anyone have any 
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RE: creating folders on home screen

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Vicki,

If you create a folder by moving one app on top of another, and then remove one 
of those apps from the folder, the folder will disappear and you will be back 
to having two apps and no folder.

By definition, a folder has to contain more than one app.

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Vicki W. 
[vwher...@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: creating folders on home screen

Yes, there is room on the home screen and I tried it on a blank page as well. I 
think you answered my question, though. I am not wanting to combine two apps, 
only start a folder with a single app. I will try combining two apps and then 
if it works, I will move the app I don't want into the folder back to where it 
came from.

Thanks.


- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: creating folders on home screen

First, are you sure you have room on the home screen?
The only way I’ve done it is to drag an app onto another app and select create 
a folder with app X in the list of options when flicking up or down with one 
finger.
If you move an app that is already on the home screen to make a folder with 
another app on the home screen, then it should work.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:57 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: creating folders on home screen

For some reason I cannot create a new folder on the home screen with either my 
mini IPad or my SE phone when in edit mode.

At one point, the option popped up and disappeared as fast as it appeared.

I have IOS 11.4 on both the phone and mini IPad. How can I create a new folder 
on the home screen?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: Voice dream reader update

[Devin Prater]

No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like Voice Dream, 
LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually break accessibility, 
because they have good Beta testers, and probably test the updates with 
VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt 
about updating most apps. Sure, apps like Messenger have had major problems in 
the past, but that's because of arrogant Facebook not taking accessibility 
seriously, in my opinion. .  

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
JAWS certified 

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:04 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes for all 
> apps.)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, Andy, I have been bitten in the butt before with updates. Losing 
>> library and having to rebuild them. So I’m not too interested in just 
>> updating for updating say.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If the update is free, why not?
>>> Updates usually contain under the hood improvements and bug fixes.
>>> Andy
>>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>>> To: ; 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:03 PM
>>> Subject: Voice dream reader update
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I see that there is a Voice Dream reader update out which says it has 
>>> compatibility with iOS 12. The only things mentioned in the notes are Siri 
>>> shortcuts and reading list. And the specific thing about Siri shortcuts 
>>> relates to reading list. So if you don’t care about reading list which I 
>>> don’t, why update? Is there anything in here that isn’t mentioned that 
>>> makes it worthwhile to take a chance?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Voice dream reader update

[Richard Turner]

Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational structure was 
corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice.  I think she may 
have also lost some files and had to track them down again.
So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is not 
interested in.
If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was something 
else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her library will not 
get screwed up yet again.

As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best.  The fact 
that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second time of having to 
rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice Dream is compared to all 
other apps of its kind.

Richard



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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update

No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like Voice Dream, 
LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually break accessibility, 
because they have good Beta testers, and probably test the updates with 
VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt 
about updating most apps. Sure, apps like Messenger have had major problems in 
the past, but that's because of arrogant Facebook not taking accessibility 
seriously, in my opinion. .  

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind JAWS 
certified 

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:04 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes 
> for all apps.)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, Andy, I have been bitten in the butt before with updates. Losing 
>> library and having to rebuild them. So I’m not too interested in just 
>> updating for updating say.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If the update is free, why not?
>>> Updates usually contain under the hood improvements and bug fixes.
>>> Andy
>>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>>> 
>>> To: ; 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:03 PM
>>> Subject: Voice dream reader update
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I see that there is a Voice Dream reader update out which says it has 
>>> compatibility with iOS 12. The only things mentioned in the notes are Siri 
>>> shortcuts and reading list. And the specific thing about Siri shortcuts 
>>> relates to reading list. So if you don’t care about reading list which I 
>>> don’t, why update? Is there anything in here that isn’t mentioned that 
>>> makes it worthwhile to take a chance?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

[Russ Kiehne]

I’ve had no problems with the current version of jaws reading the app names 
when I arrow up and down the app list.  You are right, you do have to do a lot 
of tabbing.  

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

Sorry, but as I said.  I find it too tedious for words.

I have never gotten it to read the app names as I arrow down the list or even 
use first letter navigation without having to tab and shift tab too many times 
to confirm if I am on the app I want.

I don’t know anyone else who uses File Sharing as much as you do.  I’ve always 
thought yu must have a magic touch to get it to work, grin.

 

Richard

 

 

 

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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Russ 
Kiehne
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

 

Can you try file sharing so I can find out if it’s still accessible?  

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 8:43 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

 

I just discovered that I am using itunes 12.9.  I guess I missed unchecking the 
check for updates automatically, so I ended up updating without realizing it.

However, I wouldn’t say accessibility is completely broken either.

I’m running the latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10 Home 64 bit.

I have never thought iTunes was particularly accessible in Windows after about 
iTunes 10 or maybe early itunes 11.

But, with much patience (or swearing) I can accomplish what I need to, like 
syncing music or adding Ringtones.

I also do passworded protected backups on the computer.

I do not use its file sharing as I have always found that to be too tedious for 
words.  If I want a file on my iPhone, I put it on dropbox and then add it to 
my phone.

 

I am using the iOS 12 beta on my iPhone.  

 

Richard

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

 

I wouldn’t assume that it is because from what I heard it is largely 
inaccessible.

I would probably recommend not to upgrade at this point if this is so important 
to you.

I am on the iOS 12 public beta and not that log ago hooked up my phone to the 
laptop to transfer some ringtones to it. This is pretty much the only thing I 
ever use iTunes for at this point and if Apple made it possible one day to 
transfer ringtones to the phone via iCloud I would probably not even put iTunes 
on my computer any ore. Anyhow, what I wanted to say is that I was able to put 
the ringtones on my phone running iOS 12 just fine so I don’t think you need to 
upgrade to this version of iTunes if you upgrade to iOS 12. I haven’t really 
checked what this upgrade is supposed to do and of course it is always possible 
that the final release of iOS 12 will require this latest iTunes update, who 
knows.

One thing is for sure, if at all possible you want to upgrade to iOS 12 since 
it works great and especially if you have an older device you’ll notice 
improvements.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Russ 
Kiehne
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

 

Is file sharing still accessible in itunes 12.9?

 

From: Mary Otten 

Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 8:49 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken

 

There have been reports of this problem on various lists. Some people say that 
is perfectly accessible with Jaws, while others say that column browsing is 
broken, but list view is fine. There was a big problem with nVDA, but that has 
apparently been fixed with  the release candidate three for the next version. I 
guess the thing is to upgrade at your own risk. I don’t know what accounts for 
the wide variation in results.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

  I have not updated yet, so it sounds like I shouldn't. Have you written to 
Apple? 

  Richard

   

  "The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill

   

   

  [Sent from my little hand-held computer]

   


  On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:40 PM, "llump...@austin.rr.com" 
 wrote:

It looks to me like accessibility in itunes is completely broken in itunes 
12.9. I can’t navigate genras, albums or anything else. Anyone have

Accessible Thermometer for the i phone

[GARY WILLIAMS]

Hello everyone,
I am going through chemotherapy and need an accurate thermometer. Does anyone 
know of a thermometer that works with the i phone and that is accessible? 
Thanks for any suggestions.
Nancy Williams

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Don't Forget That There Is Always iTunes for Business

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Lemme ask you this Mark, Has app access been at all improved? I haven't 
launched iTunes for a bit and while I did install the business version and I 
think it's 12.6.X, from what I recall, the list of installed apps wasn't really 
accessible (in my case jaws). 
I have to double check which version I'm running and see if I'm at all behind 
on what you posted, but this is the main issue I found to be most inaccessible 
for me. I couldn't even access the file sharing apps part to upload files on to 
my iPhone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 8:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Don't Forget That There Is Always iTunes for Business

Hello Sadam,

I have been using the business version of iTunes since its release with all of 
my devices, including iPhone 8 Plus.  

The application has never prompted me for an update nor has it automatically 
updated itself.  Further, It continues to function flawlessly with iOS 11.x   

I have checked with three people that I know, locally, who also run this 
version of iTunes on their Windows 7 and Windows 10 computers.  All report the 
same experience as I.  

I have updated iTunes for business 3 times, during the past year but always, 
always I have had to do so manually.  

So far, you are the only person to report such an experience.  

Please be aware that if you installed iTunes for Business after first having 
installed iTunes 12.7, last year, then, in order to enjoy a prompt free 
experience, you would have had to uninstall 12.7 before installing what was 
then, version 12.6.3.

Mark


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sadam Ahmed
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Don't Forget That There Is Always iTunes for Business

Hi Mark and all,

Just wanted to raise 2  issues  I had when installing iTunes for business on my 
PCS.

This was at the time when I upgraded to the 8.

1.

Even though I went into preferences of iTunes and turned off auto-update the 
next time I opened the program it had updated.

2.

When connecting any iOS device a message is spoken saying something a long the 
lines of if you don't update to the latest version you're unable to use said 
iOS product, and it's not possible to proceed without updating.

Just wondering if you, or any others have suggestions on how to overcome these 
2 problems?


On 9/17/2018 11:09 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> After reading the posts that say that the latest version of iTunes for 
> Windows may cause problems for some screen readers, I just wanted to 
> remind you that you can always install iTunes for business on both Mac 
> OS and Windows computers.
>
> While I use the latest standard version of iTunes on all of my Macs, I 
> use the latest version of iTunes for business on all of my PCs.
>
> In short, the version about which I am posting is the one that Apple 
> released and continues to update, that has the app store and ringtones in
> the application, itself.   This version was created shortly after the
> release of iOS 11 when businesses complained, rightly so, that 
> removing the App Store and Ring Tones section of the application, 
> iTunes 12.7,  was counterproductive to batch iOS deployment.
>
> The latest version of iTunes for business, which was released on 
> September 12, 2018, I presume in preparation for the debut of iOS 12, 
> is 12.6.5.3, located at:
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208079
>
>
> Personally, I love this version of iTunes and plan on using it for as 
> long as possible.
>
> Mark
>
>

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Re: creating folders on home screen

[Vicki W.]

Haha! I figured that out, so I fixed it! Logic is not my strong suit this 
morning!


Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:37 AM
Subject: RE: creating folders on home screen


Hi Vicki,

If you create a folder by moving one app on top of another, and then remove 
one of those apps from the folder, the folder will disappear and you will be 
back to having two apps and no folder.


By definition, a folder has to contain more than one app.

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Vicki 
W. [vwher...@comcast.net]

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: creating folders on home screen

Yes, there is room on the home screen and I tried it on a blank page as 
well. I think you answered my question, though. I am not wanting to combine 
two apps, only start a folder with a single app. I will try combining two 
apps and then if it works, I will move the app I don't want into the folder 
back to where it came from.


Thanks.


- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: creating folders on home screen

First, are you sure you have room on the home screen?
The only way I’ve done it is to drag an app onto another app and select 
create a folder with app X in the list of options when flicking up or down 
with one finger.
If you move an app that is already on the home screen to make a folder with 
another app on the home screen, then it should work.


Richard



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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki 
W.

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:57 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: creating folders on home screen

For some reason I cannot create a new folder on the home screen with either 
my mini IPad or my SE phone when in edit mode.


At one point, the option popped up and disappeared as fast as it appeared.

I have IOS 11.4 on both the phone and mini IPad. How can I create a new 
folder on the home screen?


Thanks.

Vicki

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finding Whatsapp for my mini ipad

[Vicki W.]

I want to install Whatsapp on my mini IPad, the same one that is on my phone, 
but there are different options with different names and I am wondering which 
one for the IPad will give me the regular Whatsapp that I have on my phone.

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: Voice dream reader update

[Mary Otten]

Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use  VDR because it’s the best thing out 
there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to rebuild 
this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other than the 
ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m interested to know 
what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I go to iOS 12? It didn’t 
say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what I have and can still upgrade 
to the new iOS.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
> She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational structure 
> was corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice.  I think she 
> may have also lost some files and had to track them down again.
> So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is not 
> interested in.
> If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was 
> something else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her 
> library will not get screwed up yet again.
> 
> As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best.  The fact 
> that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second time of having to 
> rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice Dream is compared to all 
> other apps of its kind.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
> Prater
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
> 
> No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like Voice 
> Dream, LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually break 
> accessibility, because they have good Beta testers, and probably test the 
> updates with VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread fear, 
> uncertainty, and doubt about updating most apps. Sure, apps like Messenger 
> have had major problems in the past, but that's because of arrogant Facebook 
> not taking accessibility seriously, in my opinion. .  
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind 
> JAWS certified 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:04 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes 
>> for all apps.)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, Andy, I have been bitten in the butt before with updates. Losing 
>>> library and having to rebuild them. So I’m not too interested in just 
>>> updating for updating say.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
 
 If the update is free, why not?
 Updates usually contain under the hood improvements and bug fixes.
 Andy
 - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
 
 To: ; 
 Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:03 PM
 Subject: Voice dream reader update
 
 
 I see that there is a Voice Dream reader update out which says it has 
 compatibility with iOS 12. The only things mentioned in the notes are Siri 
 shortcuts and reading list. And the specific thing about Siri shortcuts 
 relates to reading list. So if you don’t care about reading list which I 
 don’t, why update? Is there anything in here that isn’t mentioned that 
 makes it worthwhile to take a chance?
 Mary
 
 
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RE: Voice dream reader update

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct in 
saying that the statement " Updates are just as likely to break the app as 
improve it" is a bit broad. Typically when the word "break" is used it refers 
to accessibility and definitely there are a lot of companies and developers who 
have prooven that accessibility is important and their apps have continued to 
be just fine for years. Sonos is one example, Audible has been good for many 
years and there are lots of others.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update

Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use  VDR because it’s the best thing out 
there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to rebuild 
this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other than the 
ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m interested to know 
what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I go to iOS 12? It didn’t 
say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what I have and can still upgrade 
to the new iOS.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
> She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational structure 
> was corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice.  I think she 
> may have also lost some files and had to track them down again.
> So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is not 
> interested in.
> If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was 
> something else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her 
> library will not get screwed up yet again.
> 
> As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best.  The fact 
> that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second time of having to 
> rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice Dream is compared to all 
> other apps of its kind.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
> Prater
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
> 
> No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like Voice 
> Dream, LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually break 
> accessibility, because they have good Beta testers, and probably test the 
> updates with VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread fear, 
> uncertainty, and doubt about updating most apps. Sure, apps like Messenger 
> have had major problems in the past, but that's because of arrogant Facebook 
> not taking accessibility seriously, in my opinion. .  
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind 
> JAWS certified 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:04 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes 
>> for all apps.)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, Andy, I have been bitten in the butt before with updates. Losing 
>>> library and having to rebuild them. So I’m not too interested in just 
>>> updating for updating say.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
 
 If the update is free, why not?
 Updates usually contain under the hood improvements and bug fixes.
 Andy
 - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
 
 To: ; 
 Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:03 PM
 Subject: Voice dream reader update
 
 
 I see that there is a Voice Dream reader update out which says it has 
 compatibility with iOS 12. The only things mentioned in the notes are Siri 
 shortcuts and reading list. And the specific thing about Siri shortcuts 
 relates to reading list. So if you don’t care about reading list which I 
 don’t, why update? Is there anything in here that isn’t mentioned that 
 makes it worthwhile to take a chance?
 Mary
 
 
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RE: finding Whatsapp for my mini ipad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not entirely sure if you can use Whats App on the iPad as you can on your 
phone, Whats App is tied to your mobile number.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:33 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: finding Whatsapp for my mini ipad

I want to install Whatsapp on my mini IPad, the same one that is on my phone, 
but there are different options with different names and I am wondering which 
one for the IPad will give me the regular Whatsapp that I have on my phone.

Thanks.

Vicki

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RE: creating folders on home screen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And, if I may ask, what's the point of having a folder with one app in it? It 
just takes longer to get to the app and an app and a folder both take up one 
spot on your home screen.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: creating folders on home screen

Haha! I figured that out, so I fixed it! Logic is not my strong suit this 
morning!

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:37 AM
Subject: RE: creating folders on home screen


Hi Vicki,

If you create a folder by moving one app on top of another, and then remove 
one of those apps from the folder, the folder will disappear and you will be 
back to having two apps and no folder.

By definition, a folder has to contain more than one app.

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Vicki 
W. [vwher...@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: creating folders on home screen

Yes, there is room on the home screen and I tried it on a blank page as 
well. I think you answered my question, though. I am not wanting to combine 
two apps, only start a folder with a single app. I will try combining two 
apps and then if it works, I will move the app I don't want into the folder 
back to where it came from.

Thanks.


- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: creating folders on home screen

First, are you sure you have room on the home screen?
The only way I’ve done it is to drag an app onto another app and select 
create a folder with app X in the list of options when flicking up or down 
with one finger.
If you move an app that is already on the home screen to make a folder with 
another app on the home screen, then it should work.

Richard



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pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki 
W.
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:57 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: creating folders on home screen

For some reason I cannot create a new folder on the home screen with either 
my mini IPad or my SE phone when in edit mode.

At one point, the option popped up and disappeared as fast as it appeared.

I have IOS 11.4 on both the phone and mini IPad. How can I create a new 
folder on the home screen?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Ios12 With Iphone 6, and Major Problems?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

just need to know if Ios12 Has any bugs with Iphone 6?
I know that my Unit is so old, so just need to be sure that everything will be 
ok after Updating ISA.

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RE: finding Whatsapp for my mini ipad

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I tried few months ago to install whatsapp into ipad but the application 
wasn't availabe at  teh appstore. There  were, however, some compatible 
applications but i didn't looked them further.




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Subject: RE: finding Whatsapp for my mini ipad
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:45:46
From: Sieghard Weitzel 
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" 


Not entirely sure if you can use Whats App on the iPad as you can on your 
phone, Whats App is tied to your mobile number.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:33 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: finding Whatsapp for my mini ipad

 

I want to install Whatsapp on my mini IPad, the same one that is on my phone, 
but there are different options with different
names and I am wondering which one for the IPad will give me the regular 
Whatsapp that I have on my phone.

 

Thanks.

 

Vicki

 

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Re: Voice dream reader update

[Marie N.]

Speaking of Audible accessibility, there is a bug currently which I have 
verified with Audible. A couple of updates ago they changed the method for 
deleting books from your device and to put it bluntly, it does not work. I 
am running the beta of IOS 12 on my 6S and 11.4.1 on my eight and the 
problem exists on both version. They are aware of the issue but have not yet 
fixed it, so please send them feedback on the problem. I used Audible 
extensively and need to be able to delete.

Marie

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update

I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct in 
saying that the statement " Updates are just as likely to break the app as 
improve it" is a bit broad. Typically when the word "break" is used it 
refers to accessibility and definitely there are a lot of companies and 
developers who have prooven that accessibility is important and their apps 
have continued to be just fine for years. Sonos is one example, Audible has 
been good for many years and there are lots of others.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update

Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use  VDR because it’s the best thing 
out there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to 
rebuild this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other 
than the ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m 
interested to know what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I 
go to iOS 12? It didn’t say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what I 
have and can still upgrade to the new iOS.




Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational 
structure was corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice. 
I think she may have also lost some files and had to track them down 
again.
So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is not 
interested in.
If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was 
something else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her 
library will not get screwed up yet again.


As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best.  The 
fact that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second time of 
having to rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice Dream is 
compared to all other apps of its kind.


Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update

No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like Voice 
Dream, LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually break 
accessibility, because they have good Beta testers, and probably test the 
updates with VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread fear, 
uncertainty, and doubt about updating most apps. Sure, apps like Messenger 
have had major problems in the past, but that's because of arrogant 
Facebook not taking accessibility seriously, in my opinion. .


Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind 
JAWS certified


On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:04 AM, kelby carlson  
wrote:


Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes
for all apps.)

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Well, Andy, I have been bitten in the butt before with updates. Losing 
library and having to rebuild them. So I’m not too interested in just 
updating for updating say.



Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:

If the update is free, why not?
Updates usually contain under the hood improvements and bug fixes.
Andy
- Original Message - From: "Mary Otten"

To: ; 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:03 PM
Subject: Voice dream reader update


I see that there is a Voice Dream reader update out which says it has 
compatibility with iOS 12. The only things mentioned in the notes are 
Siri shortcuts and reading list. And the specific thing about Siri 
shortcuts relates to reading list. So if you don’t care about reading 
list which I don’t, why update? Is there anything in here that isn’t 
mentioned that makes it worthwhile to take a chance?

Mary


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RE: Voice dream reader update

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Deleting works fine, but there is one additional step which was introduced, 
probably by accident, but it is perfectly accessible. Here is how it works:

After you activate the "master delete" as I like to call it at the top, one 
swipe to the left of Refresh, swipe to your book title, then left once to 
delete. Double tap it and then another delete button shows up and you again 
swipe left once to get to it, double tap it and the book will be deleted.
I think at one point for a short time a delete option was available on the 
rotor and I think Audible really should put delete and other actions such as 
Book Details, Mark as Finished and so on in the rotor for Voiceover users, it 
would be a much better and more consistent experience. But as I said, it still 
works.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie N.
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update

Speaking of Audible accessibility, there is a bug currently which I have 
verified with Audible. A couple of updates ago they changed the method for 
deleting books from your device and to put it bluntly, it does not work. I am 
running the beta of IOS 12 on my 6S and 11.4.1 on my eight and the problem 
exists on both version. They are aware of the issue but have not yet fixed it, 
so please send them feedback on the problem. I used Audible extensively and 
need to be able to delete.
Marie

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update

I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct in 
saying that the statement " Updates are just as likely to break the app as 
improve it" is a bit broad. Typically when the word "break" is used it refers 
to accessibility and definitely there are a lot of companies and developers who 
have prooven that accessibility is important and their apps have continued to 
be just fine for years. Sonos is one example, Audible has been good for many 
years and there are lots of others.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update

Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use  VDR because it’s the best thing out 
there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to rebuild 
this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other than the 
ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m interested to know 
what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I go to iOS 12? It didn’t 
say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what I have and can still upgrade 
to the new iOS.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner 
> 
> wrote:
>
> Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
> She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational 
> structure was corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice.
> I think she may have also lost some files and had to track them down 
> again.
> So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is 
> not interested in.
> If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was 
> something else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her 
> library will not get screwed up yet again.
>
> As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best.  
> The fact that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second 
> time of having to rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice 
> Dream is compared to all other apps of its kind.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip 
> under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Devin Prater
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
>
> No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like 
> Voice Dream, LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually 
> break accessibility, because they have good Beta testers, and probably 
> test the updates with VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread 
> fear, uncertainty, and doubt about updating most apps. Sure, apps like 
> Messenger have had major problems in the past, but that's because of 
> arrogant Facebook not taking accessibility seriously, in my opinion. .
>
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the 
> Blind JAWS certified
>
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:04 AM, kelby carlson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes 
>> for all apps.)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, Andy,

RE: Ios12 With Iphone 6, and Major Problems?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

iOS 12 is fine although I would highly recommend you wait 3 or 4 days to 
upgrade just so the first major rush is over when the servers will be loaded 
down.
You will probably find that your iPhone 6 will run better than before since iOS 
12 is all about efficiency especially on older devices, in fact, during the 
June keynote when Apple introduced iOS 12 they used an iPhone 6 as an example 
to show how much faster everything was.
I think this Is the first dot 0 update in years where there aren't any major 
bugs.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ramy 
Moustafa
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:49 AM
To: V Iphone 
Subject: Ios12 With Iphone 6, and Major Problems?

Hi all:

just need to know if Ios12 Has any bugs with Iphone 6?
I know that my Unit is so old, so just need to be sure that everything will be 
ok after Updating ISA.

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RE: Accessible Thermometer for the i phone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Gary,



We have the "Thermo" thermometer which used to be from the company Withings, 
but they were bought out by Nokia.

Here is a link, it's the canadian Apple Store, but if you have the Apple Store 
app on your phone you can find it, it is most likely available on Amazon and at 
places like Best Buy as well. When I bought it the price was only $79.99 
canadian, now it shows for $129.99 from Apple, probably would be $99 US. There 
are others, just look through the Apple Store in their Health section:



Nokia Thermo 
Thermometer



The app is quite accessible, took me a bit to get it set up, but now it works 
well. You have to practice a bit, you just swipe it across your forehead, start 
around the middle and go over to one temple and you don’t want to touch, just 
hold it a quarter inch away from your skin.



Regards,

Sieghard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of GARY 
WILLIAMS
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessible Thermometer for the i phone



Hello everyone,

I am going through chemotherapy and need an accurate thermometer. Does anyone 
know of a thermometer that works with the i phone and that is accessible?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Nancy Williams



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Re: creating folders on home screen

[Vicki W.]

Oh, that's a good question. I have other apps I am adding to that folder. I 
just didn't do it before I took one out. It's been a morning!



- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: creating folders on home screen


And, if I may ask, what's the point of having a folder with one app in it? 
It just takes longer to get to the app and an app and a folder both take up 
one spot on your home screen.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki 
W.

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: creating folders on home screen

Haha! I figured that out, so I fixed it! Logic is not my strong suit this
morning!

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:37 AM
Subject: RE: creating folders on home screen


Hi Vicki,

If you create a folder by moving one app on top of another, and then remove
one of those apps from the folder, the folder will disappear and you will be
back to having two apps and no folder.

By definition, a folder has to contain more than one app.

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Vicki
W. [vwher...@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: creating folders on home screen

Yes, there is room on the home screen and I tried it on a blank page as
well. I think you answered my question, though. I am not wanting to combine
two apps, only start a folder with a single app. I will try combining two
apps and then if it works, I will move the app I don't want into the folder
back to where it came from.

Thanks.


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From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: creating folders on home screen

First, are you sure you have room on the home screen?
The only way I’ve done it is to drag an app onto another app and select
create a folder with app X in the list of options when flicking up or down
with one finger.
If you move an app that is already on the home screen to make a folder with
another app on the home screen, then it should work.

Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki
W.
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:57 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: creating folders on home screen

For some reason I cannot create a new folder on the home screen with either
my mini IPad or my SE phone when in edit mode.

At one point, the option popped up and disappeared as fast as it appeared.

I have IOS 11.4 on both the phone and mini IPad. How can I create a new
folder on the home screen?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: some apple watch questions

[Anna Dresner]

Hello Mohib,

The book is available from National Braille Press at
www.nbp.org 
Search for watch on the main page, and you'll find it right away.

And no, the workout app doesn't announce your heart rate all the time, though 
it is measuring it constantly. So you can unlock the screen and find out what 
it is at any time, but most of the time, the screen is locked, and the app 
isn't speaking information.

Best,
Anna


> On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:36 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
> 
> Anna, is this book available in India to purchase?
> 
> On 9/17/18, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> Thanks very much, Sadam. I'm so glad you liked the book. and fortunately,
>> the changes to the watch mean that while the book won't cover the new
>> features, it should still be accurate about the features it describes.
>> 
>> I'm not doing a Getting sTarted with the iPhone book this year because
>> demand is way down. The changes in iOS 12 are small enough that the iOS 11
>> version should still be helpful, though.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I recently purchased Anna's excellent book You and  Your  Apple Watch.
>>> 
>>> It was amazingly well written!
>>> 
>>> Even with the exchange rate I didn't hesitate to hit that buy button.
>>> 
>>> I'd consider myself quite an advanced user of tech, but even I learn some
>>> very handy tips and tricks from Anna's wonderful book.
>>> 
>>> Advanced or basic user, anyone wanting to get to grips with the Wach from
>>> a blindness perspective should jump at purchasing the above title.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for writing such a fantastic book Anna, I would rate this
>>> book 5 stars  and then some.
>>> 
>>> Are you planning to update Getting Started with the iPhone and iOS 11 once
>>> iOS 12 is released?
>>> 
>>> Keep up the good work!
>>> 
>>> Direct link to purchase Anna's mentioned book for the Watch:
>>> 
>>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WATCH.html
>>> 
>>> On 9/17/2018 12:35 AM, Anna Dresner wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 My favorite things about the watch are getting notifications on my wrist
 and the fitness stuff. In a crowded, noisy environment, getting a tap on
 the wrist when a text message comes in means I'm more likely to know I
 got the message. I'm not that into fitness, but being reminded to get up
 and walk around each hour has improved my health, I'm sure.
 
 Sometimes when it's hard to get my phone out in a hurry, being able to
 answer the phone from my wrist is convenient.
 
 There are apps that are really helpful in addition to the built-in ones
 as well. I have one called Clicker that simply lets you tap it to count
 things. I knit, and some of the patterns require counting rows. I love
 having the count on my wrist, where it's easy to access.
 
 It's also easier to deal with text messages from the watch without
 stopping what I'm doing completely. When a new one comes in, I can
 quickly dictate a reply.
 
 I hope that helps.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
> 
> I have two Braille watches. But I do wonder why I would want an Apple
> watch? What would it do for me, especially since I have an iPhone? I'm
> not a swimmer, so that part of it has no application to me.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
> Barton
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:20 PM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: some apple watch questions
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i have been toying with the idea of getting the apple watch. So
> don't laugh, right now, i have a braille watch, yea i know, old, lol.
> Honestly i haven't really played with the apple watch.  What's
> everyone's thoughts on it?  The list of things you can do with it, it's
> crazy.
> Just wanna get some general opinions.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jed
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Re: Voice dream reader update

['Paul Porter' via VIPhone]

You can delete in the app.

Tap delete. Next tap the delete button to the left of the book you want to 
delete. two delete buttons appear. Press the furtherst left and the book is 
deleted. Press delete again to go back to the list of books without the delete 
option.

I hope this makes sense.

Paul

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Sep 2018, at 15:57, Marie N.  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of Audible accessibility, there is a bug currently which I have 
> verified with Audible. A couple of updates ago they changed the method for 
> deleting books from your device and to put it bluntly, it does not work. I am 
> running the beta of IOS 12 on my 6S and 11.4.1 on my eight and the problem 
> exists on both version. They are aware of the issue but have not yet fixed 
> it, so please send them feedback on the problem. I used Audible extensively 
> and need to be able to delete.
> Marie
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update
> 
> I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct in 
> saying that the statement " Updates are just as likely to break the app as 
> improve it" is a bit broad. Typically when the word "break" is used it refers 
> to accessibility and definitely there are a lot of companies and developers 
> who have prooven that accessibility is important and their apps have 
> continued to be just fine for years. Sonos is one example, Audible has been 
> good for many years and there are lots of others.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
> 
> Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use  VDR because it’s the best thing 
> out there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to 
> rebuild this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other 
> than the ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m interested 
> to know what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I go to iOS 12? 
> It didn’t say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what I have and can 
> still upgrade to the new iOS.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
>> She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational structure 
>> was corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice. I think she 
>> may have also lost some files and had to track them down again.
>> So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is not 
>> interested in.
>> If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was 
>> something else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her 
>> library will not get screwed up yet again.
>> 
>> As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best.  The fact 
>> that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second time of having to 
>> rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice Dream is compared to 
>> all other apps of its kind.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
>> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
>> Prater
>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
>> 
>> No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like Voice 
>> Dream, LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually break 
>> accessibility, because they have good Beta testers, and probably test the 
>> updates with VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread fear, 
>> uncertainty, and doubt about updating most apps. Sure, apps like Messenger 
>> have had major problems in the past, but that's because of arrogant Facebook 
>> not taking accessibility seriously, in my opinion. .
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind 
>> JAWS certified
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:04 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes
>>> for all apps.)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Well, Andy, I have been bitten in the butt before with updates. Losing 
 library and having to rebuild them. So I’m not too interested in just 
 updating for updating say.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> If the update is free, why not?
> Updates usually contain under the hood improvements and bug fixes.
> Andy
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten"
> 
> To: ;

Re: some apple watch questions

['Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone]

Hi Anna 

Once you have finished your work out is it possible to see what your heart rate 
was during the work out or can you only see your current heart rate.
Thanks
Linda 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Sep 2018, at 16:25, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mohib,
> 
> The book is available from National Braille Press at
> www.nbp.org
> Search for watch on the main page, and you'll find it right away.
> 
> And no, the workout app doesn't announce your heart rate all the time, though 
> it is measuring it constantly. So you can unlock the screen and find out what 
> it is at any time, but most of the time, the screen is locked, and the app 
> isn't speaking information.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:36 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
>> 
>> Anna, is this book available in India to purchase?
>> 
>>> On 9/17/18, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> Thanks very much, Sadam. I'm so glad you liked the book. and fortunately,
>>> the changes to the watch mean that while the book won't cover the new
>>> features, it should still be accurate about the features it describes.
>>> 
>>> I'm not doing a Getting sTarted with the iPhone book this year because
>>> demand is way down. The changes in iOS 12 are small enough that the iOS 11
>>> version should still be helpful, though.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
 
 I recently purchased Anna's excellent book You and  Your  Apple Watch.
 
 It was amazingly well written!
 
 Even with the exchange rate I didn't hesitate to hit that buy button.
 
 I'd consider myself quite an advanced user of tech, but even I learn some
 very handy tips and tricks from Anna's wonderful book.
 
 Advanced or basic user, anyone wanting to get to grips with the Wach from
 a blindness perspective should jump at purchasing the above title.
 
 Thanks again for writing such a fantastic book Anna, I would rate this
 book 5 stars  and then some.
 
 Are you planning to update Getting Started with the iPhone and iOS 11 once
 iOS 12 is released?
 
 Keep up the good work!
 
 Direct link to purchase Anna's mentioned book for the Watch:
 
 http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WATCH.html
 
> On 9/17/2018 12:35 AM, Anna Dresner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> My favorite things about the watch are getting notifications on my wrist
> and the fitness stuff. In a crowded, noisy environment, getting a tap on
> the wrist when a text message comes in means I'm more likely to know I
> got the message. I'm not that into fitness, but being reminded to get up
> and walk around each hour has improved my health, I'm sure.
> 
> Sometimes when it's hard to get my phone out in a hurry, being able to
> answer the phone from my wrist is convenient.
> 
> There are apps that are really helpful in addition to the built-in ones
> as well. I have one called Clicker that simply lets you tap it to count
> things. I knit, and some of the patterns require counting rows. I love
> having the count on my wrist, where it's easy to access.
> 
> It's also easier to deal with text messages from the watch without
> stopping what I'm doing completely. When a new one comes in, I can
> quickly dictate a reply.
> 
> I hope that helps.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have two Braille watches. But I do wonder why I would want an Apple
>> watch? What would it do for me, especially since I have an iPhone? I'm
>> not a swimmer, so that part of it has no application to me.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Carolyn
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
>> Barton
>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:20 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: some apple watch questions
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i have been toying with the idea of getting the apple watch. So
>> don't laugh, right now, i have a braille watch, yea i know, old, lol.
>> Honestly i haven't really played with the apple watch.  What's
>> everyone's thoughts on it?  The list of things you can do with it, it's
>> crazy.
>> Just wanna get some general opinions.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>> 
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[kelby carlson]

When I make calls now, the button to switch to speaker phone is no longer 
present. It is just the keypad. Anybody know what might be happening?

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Re: Voice dream reader update

[kelby carlson]

I am not speaking in terms of accessibility only. Frequently when updating an 
app, a feature that worked perfectly fine will be gone or messed up. For 
example, after the last VDR update the "go to page" button disappeared for no 
reason and never came back, and VDR now drains the battery significantly in the 
background even when not reading a book, requiring it to be closed completely 
when not in use. I have reported these bugs, and for doing so I was told never 
to contact the developer again. (Before anyone asks, I did try a complete 
reinstall with no change.)

This is not exclusive to VDR, so I'm not targeting it specifically. This has 
happened with almost every app I frequently use at some point, not to mention 
that major iOS updates are also likely to introduce bugs, accessibility and 
otherwise.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 11:31 AM, 'Paul Porter' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> You can delete in the app.
> 
> Tap delete. Next tap the delete button to the left of the book you want to 
> delete. two delete buttons appear. Press the furtherst left and the book is 
> deleted. Press delete again to go back to the list of books without the 
> delete option.
> 
> I hope this makes sense.
> 
> Paul
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2018, at 15:57, Marie N.  wrote:
>> 
>> Speaking of Audible accessibility, there is a bug currently which I have 
>> verified with Audible. A couple of updates ago they changed the method for 
>> deleting books from your device and to put it bluntly, it does not work. I 
>> am running the beta of IOS 12 on my 6S and 11.4.1 on my eight and the 
>> problem exists on both version. They are aware of the issue but have not yet 
>> fixed it, so please send them feedback on the problem. I used Audible 
>> extensively and need to be able to delete.
>> Marie
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:44 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update
>> 
>> I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct in 
>> saying that the statement " Updates are just as likely to break the app as 
>> improve it" is a bit broad. Typically when the word "break" is used it 
>> refers to accessibility and definitely there are a lot of companies and 
>> developers who have prooven that accessibility is important and their apps 
>> have continued to be just fine for years. Sonos is one example, Audible has 
>> been good for many years and there are lots of others.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
>> 
>> Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use  VDR because it’s the best thing 
>> out there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to 
>> rebuild this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other 
>> than the ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m 
>> interested to know what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I 
>> go to iOS 12? It didn’t say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what I 
>> have and can still upgrade to the new iOS.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
>>> She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational structure 
>>> was corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice. I think 
>>> she may have also lost some files and had to track them down again.
>>> So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is not 
>>> interested in.
>>> If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was 
>>> something else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her 
>>> library will not get screwed up yet again.
>>> 
>>> As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best.  The 
>>> fact that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second time of 
>>> having to rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice Dream is 
>>> compared to all other apps of its kind.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
>>> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
>>> 
>>> No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like Voice 
>>> Dream, LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually break 
>>> accessibility, because they have good Beta testers, and probably test the 
>>> updates with VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread fear, 
>>> uncertainty, and doubt about updating most

iPhone 6s or SE?

[Ann Byrne]

Is it stil possible to purchase an iPhone 6s or SE in a store, or 
does a person have to go to a third party source to get one?  


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Re: iPhone 6s or SE?

[karuna Chopra]

Apple does not sell the iPhone S eat anymore. However, you can buy it at 
Walmart or Best Buy. Some carriers are also offering it at a discount.
I think it’s the best iPhone you can buy. That is if you are a voiceover user. 
Highly recommend that you buy a couple of them as they will last for at least 
two or three years.
Best wishes & many blessings!
KarunA 

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Re: Voice dream reader update

[Mary Otten]

I certainly have not noticed any significant battery drainage I have VDR open 
but not reading, so it’s in the background just hanging around. So maybe they 
can’t duplicate it. If they can’t duplicate it, unfortunately they can’t fix it.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 8:45 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> I am not speaking in terms of accessibility only. Frequently when updating an 
> app, a feature that worked perfectly fine will be gone or messed up. For 
> example, after the last VDR update the "go to page" button disappeared for no 
> reason and never came back, and VDR now drains the battery significantly in 
> the background even when not reading a book, requiring it to be closed 
> completely when not in use. I have reported these bugs, and for doing so I 
> was told never to contact the developer again. (Before anyone asks, I did try 
> a complete reinstall with no change.)
> 
> This is not exclusive to VDR, so I'm not targeting it specifically. This has 
> happened with almost every app I frequently use at some point, not to mention 
> that major iOS updates are also likely to introduce bugs, accessibility and 
> otherwise.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 11:31 AM, 'Paul Porter' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You can delete in the app.
>> 
>> Tap delete. Next tap the delete button to the left of the book you want to 
>> delete. two delete buttons appear. Press the furtherst left and the book is 
>> deleted. Press delete again to go back to the list of books without the 
>> delete option.
>> 
>> I hope this makes sense.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 17 Sep 2018, at 15:57, Marie N.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Speaking of Audible accessibility, there is a bug currently which I have 
>>> verified with Audible. A couple of updates ago they changed the method for 
>>> deleting books from your device and to put it bluntly, it does not work. I 
>>> am running the beta of IOS 12 on my 6S and 11.4.1 on my eight and the 
>>> problem exists on both version. They are aware of the issue but have not 
>>> yet fixed it, so please send them feedback on the problem. I used Audible 
>>> extensively and need to be able to delete.
>>> Marie
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:44 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update
>>> 
>>> I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct in 
>>> saying that the statement " Updates are just as likely to break the app as 
>>> improve it" is a bit broad. Typically when the word "break" is used it 
>>> refers to accessibility and definitely there are a lot of companies and 
>>> developers who have prooven that accessibility is important and their apps 
>>> have continued to be just fine for years. Sonos is one example, Audible has 
>>> been good for many years and there are lots of others.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>>> Otten
>>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
>>> 
>>> Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use  VDR because it’s the best thing 
>>> out there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to 
>>> rebuild this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other 
>>> than the ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m 
>>> interested to know what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I 
>>> go to iOS 12? It didn’t say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what 
>>> I have and can still upgrade to the new iOS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
 She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational 
 structure was corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice. 
 I think she may have also lost some files and had to track them down again.
 So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is not 
 interested in.
 If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was 
 something else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her 
 library will not get screwed up yet again.
 
 As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best.  The 
 fact that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second time of 
 having to rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice Dream is 
 compared to all other apps of its kind.
 
 Richard
 
 
 
 “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
 pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Devin Prater
 Sent: Monday, September 17, 201

iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[Traci Duncan]

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading. 


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html

iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 8 in 
Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more because of the way it has been priced as it 
is the cheapest newest iPhone in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge 
size difference between the two but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, 
it is likely going to be the most popular iPhone of all the three handsets.

What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?

So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.

Design

iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified
The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due to 
the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump 
in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it features an 
almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, 
the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red, Yellow, and 
Orange.

Display

iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 pixels 
(326 ppi), No 3D Touch
iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel (326 
ppi), 3D Touch
The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina display. 
Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market right now. 
However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D 
Touch.

Processor

iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 50 
percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine
Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent 
faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when 
compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It is 
now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows the 
A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly helps in 
quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.


Storage

iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB
iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB
While Apple offers the iPhone 8 in two different storage tiers of 64GB and 
256GB, it offers the iPhone XR in three different storage tiers: 64GB, 128GB, 
and 256GB.

Camera

iPhone XR – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8, 1.4um large pixels, OIS, Smart 
HDR, Focus Pixels, Portrait mode with advanced bokeh and Depth control, 
Quad-LED True Tone Flash
iPhone 8 – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8 aperture, 1.22um pixel pitch, 
OIS, Auto HDR, Focus Pixels, Quad-LED True Tone Flash
The iPhone XR and iPhone 8 both feature a 12MP shooter at its rear. While they 
might look the same, the iPhone XR features a bigger camera sensor with bigger 
1.4um pixel pitch. It also has Smart HDR for improved dynamic range and 
details. The new camera sensor on the iPhone XR allows for wider dynamic range 
while recording videos in 30fps, with both phones also capable of recording 
stereo around while video recording.

Front Camera

iPhone XR – 7MP TrueDepth Camera, f/2.2 aperture, Retina Flash, Portrait mode 
with advanced bokeh and Depth control, Smart HDR
iPhone 8 – 7MP FaceTime HD camera, f/2.2 aperture, Retina Flash, Auto HDR
The iPhone XR 7MP camera is a huge upgrade over the iPhone 8. It is a TrueDepth 
camera system which means it is capable of 3D depth sensing which is used to 
offer features like Memoji and Animoji. The TrueDepth camera system also paves 
the way for Face ID. It is also capable of capturing Portrait photos with fake 
bokeh effect, something which one cannot do on the iPhone 8 Plus.

Biometric Authentication

iPhone XR – The handset solely relies on Face ID for biometric authentication
iPhone 8 – It features Touch ID sensor integrated into the home button at the 
front
The lack of Touch ID on the iPhone XR will definitely bug a lot of people. 
However, the iPhone XR comes with second-generation Face ID which is faster and 
more accurate than ever before.

Connectivity

iPhone XR – Dual SIM/eSIM, LTE-Advanced, Wi-Fi ac with MIMO, Bluetooth 5.0, 
VoLTE, NFC with reader mode
iPhone 8 – Single SIM, LTE-Advanced, Wi-Fi ac with MIMO, Bluetooth 5.0, VoLTE, 
NFC

Re: Voice dream reader update

[Richard Turner]

I too have used VDR in the background, even while reading, with no greater 
battery drain than before. If the device is locked, and playing in the 
background, there is extremely little battery drain. I've listened for more 
hours than I care to admit and lost only a couple percent.
I think that issue is unique to very few devices.
Richard



"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I certainly have not noticed any significant battery drainage I have VDR open 
but not reading, so it’s in the background just hanging around. So maybe they 
can’t duplicate it. If they can’t duplicate it, unfortunately they can’t fix it.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2018, at 8:45 AM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am not speaking in terms of accessibility only. Frequently when updating an 
app, a feature that worked perfectly fine will be gone or messed up. For 
example, after the last VDR update the "go to page" button disappeared for no 
reason and never came back, and VDR now drains the battery significantly in the 
background even when not reading a book, requiring it to be closed completely 
when not in use. I have reported these bugs, and for doing so I was told never 
to contact the developer again. (Before anyone asks, I did try a complete 
reinstall with no change.)

This is not exclusive to VDR, so I'm not targeting it specifically. This has 
happened with almost every app I frequently use at some point, not to mention 
that major iOS updates are also likely to introduce bugs, accessibility and 
otherwise.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2018, at 11:31 AM, 'Paul Porter' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

You can delete in the app.

Tap delete. Next tap the delete button to the left of the book you want to 
delete. two delete buttons appear. Press the furtherst left and the book is 
deleted. Press delete again to go back to the list of books without the delete 
option.

I hope this makes sense.

Paul

Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Sep 2018, at 15:57, Marie N. 
mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Speaking of Audible accessibility, there is a bug currently which I have 
verified with Audible. A couple of updates ago they changed the method for 
deleting books from your device and to put it bluntly, it does not work. I am 
running the beta of IOS 12 on my 6S and 11.4.1 on my eight and the problem 
exists on both version. They are aware of the issue but have not yet fixed it, 
so please send them feedback on the problem. I used Audible extensively and 
need to be able to delete.
Marie

-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update

I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct in 
saying that the statement " Updates are just as likely to break the app as 
improve it" is a bit broad. Typically when the word "break" is used it refers 
to accessibility and definitely there are a lot of companies and developers who 
have prooven that accessibility is important and their apps have continued to 
be just fine for years. Sonos is one example, Audible has been good for many 
years and there are lots of others.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update

Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use  VDR because it’s the best thing out 
there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to rebuild 
this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other than the 
ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m interested to know 
what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I go to iOS 12? It didn’t 
say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what I have and can still upgrade 
to the new iOS.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational structure was 
corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice. I think she may 
have also lost some files and had to track them down again.
So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is not 
interested in.
If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was something 
else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her library will not 
get screwed up yet again.

As far as acc

Re: Accessible Thermometer for the i phone

[Richard Turner]

Also, Kinsa makes thermometers that worked very well and the app is accessible.
I do not have a link, I got it through Amazon. The one I have plugs into the 
3.5 jack, but I noticed shortly after buying it, they have one that is strictly 
bluetooth.
Richard



"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Sep 17, 2018, at 8:11 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:


Hi Gary,



We have the "Thermo" thermometer which used to be from the company Withings, 
but they were bought out by Nokia.

Here is a link, it's the canadian Apple Store, but if you have the Apple Store 
app on your phone you can find it, it is most likely available on Amazon and at 
places like Best Buy as well. When I bought it the price was only $79.99 
canadian, now it shows for $129.99 from Apple, probably would be $99 US. There 
are others, just look through the Apple Store in their Health section:



Nokia Thermo 
Thermometer



The app is quite accessible, took me a bit to get it set up, but now it works 
well. You have to practice a bit, you just swipe it across your forehead, start 
around the middle and go over to one temple and you don’t want to touch, just 
hold it a quarter inch away from your skin.



Regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of GARY 
WILLIAMS
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessible Thermometer for the i phone



Hello everyone,

I am going through chemotherapy and need an accurate thermometer. Does anyone 
know of a thermometer that works with the i phone and that is accessible?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Nancy Williams



Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Waltr 2

[Kay Malmquist]

I have one more question.  I happen to own a computer that as of yet has not 
been violated by iTunes.  I assume that Waltr will work on that one and 
iTunes does not need to be installed?  I mean, they are two separate 
entities right?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-2015)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 4:20 PM
  Subject: RE: Waltr 2


  For those looking into Waltr 2, here is a pretty extensive review.  After 
the link, I pasted the text of the web site.



  
https://www.macobserver.com/reviews/featured-review/can-waltr-2-really-itunes-replacement/



  Can WALTR 2 Really Be Your iTunes Replacement?



  Jeff Butts



  Jeff Butts

  @clefmeister · +Jeff Butts



  



  3 minute read

  Feb 23rd, 2017 6:02 PM EDT | In-Depth Review



  There’s no question that iTunes

  is a mess. It’s bloated, but it’s all Apple gives us (on the Mac, anyways) 
to load media onto our iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch. One problem is that

  iTunes

  limits the audio and video file formats we can upload. Many of us 
continuously look for other apps to help us transfer our media files to the 
iPhone and

  other iDevices. WALTR is one that Jeff Gamet has tried and recommended

  , and that app is now in its second version

  with new features. Let’s see how well it works as an

  iTunes replacement.



  WALTR 2 as an iTunes replacement



  WALTR 2 allows you to drag and drop any type of media file onto your Apple 
device



  Comprehensive Device and Format Support Is Important In an iTunes 
Replacement



  WALTR 2

  goes way beyond just your iOS device. Still kicking around an iPod Classic 
and want to copy media files to it sans iTunes? WALTR 2 is capable of doing

  that. Softorino, the developers behind WALTR 2, spent four years 
researching the data-write protocols Apple used for each generation of 
device, enabling

  a secure connection with the proper protocol for every one.



  Even better, WALTR 2 supports just about any music or video file format, 
even Apple Music files. Windows Media files (WMA), often the bane of Mac 
users,

  work just fine through WALTR 2. Have a collection of 4K Ultra HD videos 
you want to transfer? No problem. The app also works with ePub and iBooks 
files,

  along with PDFs. With its Smart Adaptive Conversion, WALTR 2 is able to 
convert your video and audio files to what your device can use, on the fly 
and

  very quickly.



  Everything Goes Where It Should



  I put together a folder of various files to pass from WALTR 2 into my 
iPhone 7. I included PDFs, ePub files, a couple of iBooks files, along with 
music

  and video files of various types. WALTR 2 quickly and seamlessly 
transferred all of them. They even went into the right places: the PDFs and 
eBooks showed

  up in iBooks, the videos in TV, and the music went exactly where it should 
have.



  WALTR 2 drag and drop complete



  Transferring multiple types of files at once works flawlessly



  Transfer Over USB or Wi-Fi



  WALTR 2 includes Wi-FI support in addition to transferring files over USB. 
It even includes advanced connection stitching, so if you disconnect your 
USB

  cable while transferring files, things don’t stop. WALTR 2 just looks for 
your iOS device wirelessly and resumes the connection over Wi-Fi.



  WALTR 2 Wi-Fi



  With WALTR 2, you can switch seamlessly between a USB and Wi-FI connection 
when transferring files



  Not Everything Is Perfect, Unfortunately



  WALTR 2 has a feature called Automatic Content Recognition. With ACR, you 
should get all of the meta information for your content filled in where it’s

  missing, so your music and videos look like they were purchased from the

  iTunes

  Store. ACR is supposed to pull in cover art, cast or artist information, 
synopsis, and so forth. Unfortunately, in my testing, that never worked.



  The Good



  The good news is that WALTR 2 works very well at transferring media files 
to any Apple device. It converts files on the fly, keeping lossy files in a 
supported

  lossy format. This means you can send newer file formats into your iPod 
Classic, and they’ll automatically get converted to something that will work 
on

  that device.



  WALTR 2 is flexible enough not only to support almost any media file 
format, but it doesn’t tie you to your computer. The automatic Wi-Fi 
connection stitching

  works flawlessly, letting you disconnect from your computer and keep 
transferring your music, books, and video files. WALTR 2 even supports 4K 
Ultra HD

  videos.



  The Bad



  While WALTR 2 is powerful in what does work, it doesn’t operate completely 
as advertised. I was looking forward to the meta information being fed into

  my non-iTunes files, but that 

Re: Speaker Icon Disappeared

[l . d . ethier23]

Hello,
you should have the hide button on the right hung up button. It allows you to 
switch to get different options like speaker

Lyne

> Le 17 sept. 2018 à 11:41, kelby carlson  a écrit :
> 
> When I make calls now, the button to switch to speaker phone is no longer 
> present. It is just the keypad. Anybody know what might be happening?
> 
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iClever Bluetooth keyboard

[Traci Duncan]

In shopping around for a bluetooth keyboard, I came across the trifold iClever. 
Has anyone used this one? 

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Re: Speaker Icon Disappeared

[kelby carlson]

That button also seems to be gone. Like I said, just the keypad.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, l.d.ethie...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> you should have the hide button on the right hung up button. It allows you to 
> switch to get different options like speaker
> 
> Lyne
> 
>> Le 17 sept. 2018 à 11:41, kelby carlson  a écrit :
>> 
>> When I make calls now, the button to switch to speaker phone is no longer 
>> present. It is just the keypad. Anybody know what might be happening?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: some apple watch questions

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

You can see your average heart rate. If you go into the Heart Rate app, you can 
get more specific info, including realtime heart rate measurements.

Best,
Anna




> On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna 
> 
> Once you have finished your work out is it possible to see what your heart 
> rate was during the work out or can you only see your current heart rate.
> Thanks
> Linda 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 16:25, Anna Dresner  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello Mohib,
>> 
>> The book is available from National Braille Press at
>> www.nbp.org 
>> Search for watch on the main page, and you'll find it right away.
>> 
>> And no, the workout app doesn't announce your heart rate all the time, 
>> though it is measuring it constantly. So you can unlock the screen and find 
>> out what it is at any time, but most of the time, the screen is locked, and 
>> the app isn't speaking information.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:36 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anna, is this book available in India to purchase?
>>> 
>>> On 9/17/18, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net>> 
>>> wrote:
 Thanks very much, Sadam. I'm so glad you liked the book. and fortunately,
 the changes to the watch mean that while the book won't cover the new
 features, it should still be accurate about the features it describes.
 
 I'm not doing a Getting sTarted with the iPhone book this year because
 demand is way down. The changes in iOS 12 are small enough that the iOS 11
 version should still be helpful, though.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Sadam Ahmed  > wrote:
> 
> I recently purchased Anna's excellent book You and  Your  Apple Watch.
> 
> It was amazingly well written!
> 
> Even with the exchange rate I didn't hesitate to hit that buy button.
> 
> I'd consider myself quite an advanced user of tech, but even I learn some
> very handy tips and tricks from Anna's wonderful book.
> 
> Advanced or basic user, anyone wanting to get to grips with the Wach from
> a blindness perspective should jump at purchasing the above title.
> 
> Thanks again for writing such a fantastic book Anna, I would rate this
> book 5 stars  and then some.
> 
> Are you planning to update Getting Started with the iPhone and iOS 11 once
> iOS 12 is released?
> 
> Keep up the good work!
> 
> Direct link to purchase Anna's mentioned book for the Watch:
> 
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WATCH.html 
> 
> 
> On 9/17/2018 12:35 AM, Anna Dresner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> My favorite things about the watch are getting notifications on my wrist
>> and the fitness stuff. In a crowded, noisy environment, getting a tap on
>> the wrist when a text message comes in means I'm more likely to know I
>> got the message. I'm not that into fitness, but being reminded to get up
>> and walk around each hour has improved my health, I'm sure.
>> 
>> Sometimes when it's hard to get my phone out in a hurry, being able to
>> answer the phone from my wrist is convenient.
>> 
>> There are apps that are really helpful in addition to the built-in ones
>> as well. I have one called Clicker that simply lets you tap it to count
>> things. I knit, and some of the patterns require counting rows. I love
>> having the count on my wrist, where it's easy to access.
>> 
>> It's also easier to deal with text messages from the watch without
>> stopping what I'm doing completely. When a new one comes in, I can
>> quickly dictate a reply.
>> 
>> I hope that helps.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net 
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have two Braille watches. But I do wonder why I would want an Apple
>>> watch? What would it do for me, especially since I have an iPhone? I'm
>>> not a swimmer, so that part of it has no application to me.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Carolyn
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com  
>>> [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com ] On Behalf Of 
>>> Jed
>>> Barton
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:20 PM
>>> To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Subject: some apple watch questions
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> OK, i have been toying with the idea of getting the apple watch. So
>>> don't laugh, right now, i have a braille watch, yea i know, old, lol.
>>> Honest

RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Traci,

I do have the iClever keyboard and am very happy with it.  I don't use it 
extensively, but as a supplement to my iPhone if I need to type something 
longer.  It is quite sturdy, and the keys are large enough that I do not have 
trouble finding them as I do with some other keyboards.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Traci 
Duncan [our4p...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

In shopping around for a bluetooth keyboard, I came across the trifold iClever. 
Has anyone used this one?

Traci


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RE: Speaker Icon Disappeared

[Rob Armstrong]

There is a button on the screen after you place a call to "hide the keypad".  
When you press this button, then several buttons including "speaker" are 
available.

Rob

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kelby carlson
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speaker Icon Disappeared

When I make calls now, the button to switch to speaker phone is no longer 
present. It is just the keypad. Anybody know what might be happening?

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Re: Voice dream reader update

[kelby carlson]

For some reason I'm not seeing the update in the app store. Are we still 
waiting for it?

Does anyone else have the "go to page" button, or was it removed for everybody?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 1:23 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I too have used VDR in the background, even while reading, with no greater 
> battery drain than before. If the device is locked, and playing in the 
> background, there is extremely little battery drain. I've listened for more 
> hours than I care to admit and lost only a couple percent.
> I think that issue is unique to very few devices.
> Richard
> 
> 
> "The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
> place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
> Nevill
> 
> 
> [Sent from my little hand-held computer]
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> I certainly have not noticed any significant battery drainage I have VDR 
>> open but not reading, so it’s in the background just hanging around. So 
>> maybe they can’t duplicate it. If they can’t duplicate it, unfortunately 
>> they can’t fix it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 17, 2018, at 8:45 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not speaking in terms of accessibility only. Frequently when updating 
>>> an app, a feature that worked perfectly fine will be gone or messed up. For 
>>> example, after the last VDR update the "go to page" button disappeared for 
>>> no reason and never came back, and VDR now drains the battery significantly 
>>> in the background even when not reading a book, requiring it to be closed 
>>> completely when not in use. I have reported these bugs, and for doing so I 
>>> was told never to contact the developer again. (Before anyone asks, I did 
>>> try a complete reinstall with no change.)
>>> 
>>> This is not exclusive to VDR, so I'm not targeting it specifically. This 
>>> has happened with almost every app I frequently use at some point, not to 
>>> mention that major iOS updates are also likely to introduce bugs, 
>>> accessibility and otherwise.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 17, 2018, at 11:31 AM, 'Paul Porter' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
 You can delete in the app.
 
 Tap delete. Next tap the delete button to the left of the book you want to 
 delete. two delete buttons appear. Press the furtherst left and the book 
 is deleted. Press delete again to go back to the list of books without the 
 delete option.
 
 I hope this makes sense.
 
 Paul
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 15:57, Marie N.  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of Audible accessibility, there is a bug currently which I have 
> verified with Audible. A couple of updates ago they changed the method 
> for deleting books from your device and to put it bluntly, it does not 
> work. I am running the beta of IOS 12 on my 6S and 11.4.1 on my eight and 
> the problem exists on both version. They are aware of the issue but have 
> not yet fixed it, so please send them feedback on the problem. I used 
> Audible extensively and need to be able to delete.
> Marie
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update
> 
> I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct 
> in saying that the statement " Updates are just as likely to break the 
> app as improve it" is a bit broad. Typically when the word "break" is 
> used it refers to accessibility and definitely there are a lot of 
> companies and developers who have prooven that accessibility is important 
> and their apps have continued to be just fine for years. Sonos is one 
> example, Audible has been good for many years and there are lots of 
> others.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
> 
> Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use  VDR because it’s the best 
> thing out there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to 
> have to rebuild this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other 
> features other than the ones mentioned in the release notes on the App 
> Store, I’m interested to know what those are. Or do I have to have this 
> update when I go to iOS 12? It didn’t say that. So I assume I’m going to 
> stick with what I have and can still upgrade to the new iOS.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
>> She has an extrem

Re: Speaker Icon Disappeared

[kelby carlson]

I found it. A bit difficult to locate on the screen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 1:59 PM, Rob Armstrong  wrote:
> 
> There is a button on the screen after you place a call to "hide the keypad".  
> When you press this button, then several buttons including "speaker" are 
> available.
> 
> Rob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> kelby carlson
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Speaker Icon Disappeared
> 
> When I make calls now, the button to switch to speaker phone is no longer 
> present. It is just the keypad. Anybody know what might be happening?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

[joedinero68]

Good Afternoon Tracy,

I have used this keyboard and it is very nifty. The trifold is very slick and 
it has a little carrying pouch/bag so you can throw it in a bag and it doesn't 
take up much room.  I have used this to teach IOS students how to use a 
Bluetooth keyboard with their devices. If you have any questions let me know.

Joe DiNero
Assistive Technology Specialist
Helen Keller Services for the Blind
JAWS and ZoomText Certified  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

In shopping around for a bluetooth keyboard, I came across the trifold iClever. 
Has anyone used this one? 

Traci 


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RE: iPhone 6s or SE?

[Carolyn Arnold]

I bought a SE from my phone carrier in May. Recently I heard that AT*T had them 
for $100.00. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Is it stil possible to purchase an iPhone 6s or SE in a store, or does a person 
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RE: iPhone 6s or SE?

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If I buy one at a store, how hard is it to activate it for Verizon???

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Re: iPhone 6s or SE?

[Mary Otten]

It would sure be helpful if the subject line match the subject of these 
messages. In other words, if you change the subject to iPhone SE, how about 
starting a new subject rather than hijacking this one?


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Re: iPhone 6s or SE?

[Ann Byrne]

Sorry. It was clear to me.  If I purchase an iPhone SE or 6 at not a 
phone store, will it be a problem to activate it for use on 
Verizon?  I have always purchased phones through a store, and know 
nothing about going through a not-carrier.  So my question, I 
thought, was related to the subject.



At 01:31 PM 9/17/2018, you wrote:
It would sure be helpful if the subject line match the subject of 
these messages. In other words, if you change the subject to iPhone 
SE, how about starting a new subject rather than hijacking this one?



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Re: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

[Traci Duncan]

Thank you both. 

 Do you happen to know which models you use? They have an updated model with a 
back lit option. I'm thinking of buying the older model because I don't need 
the lighting. Oh also, have either of you had problems with the E key? 

Thank you, 
Traci 


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> On Sep 17, 2018, at 11:17 AM,   
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> 
> I have used this keyboard and it is very nifty. The trifold is very slick and 
> it has a little carrying pouch/bag so you can throw it in a bag and it 
> doesn't take up much room.  I have used this to teach IOS students how to use 
> a Bluetooth keyboard with their devices. If you have any questions let me 
> know.
> 
> Joe DiNero
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iClever Bluetooth keyboard
> 
> In shopping around for a bluetooth keyboard, I came across the trifold 
> iClever. Has anyone used this one? 
> 
> Traci 
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Re: some apple watch questions

[Kay Malmquist]

Lois,
If you can write me off list, I'd be happy to learn more about what you are 
talking about.  I don't know what UA Record app is or what crossfit is 
either, but if you have the time, I would like to learn more.  Thanks much.

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From: "Lois Butterfield" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: some apple watch questions


Hi all,

To those of you who work out, UA Record app works fantastically on the watch
and has any workout you can imagine.  I use it for Crossfit, and it works
very well and is completely accessible.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Chaffin
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some apple watch questions

The fantastic thing about the Apple Watch is that it can be used in so many
ways.  It is so much more than a time piece!
You have the weather, your calendar, plus many other choices right on the
clock face for quick and easy access.
Plus, like others have said, you also have access to your notifications and
messages right at your finger tips without ever touching your phone!

I also did not know what I would do with an Apple Watch, but now, I can not
imagine what I would do without one!

Chris


> On Sep 16, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
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> I have two Braille watches. But I do wonder why I would want an Apple
> watch? What would it do for me, especially since I have an iPhone? I'm not
> a swimmer, so that part of it has no application to me.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
> Barton
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:20 PM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: some apple watch questions
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i have been toying with the idea of getting the apple watch. So don't
> laugh, right now, i have a braille watch, yea i know, old, lol.
> Honestly i haven't really played with the apple watch.  What's everyone's
> thoughts on it?  The list of things you can do with it, it's crazy.
> Just wanna get some general opinions.
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Re: some apple watch questions

[Kay Malmquist]

HI Sieghard,
Oh, I have no intentions of getting rid of my iPhone.  I just thought it 
would be nice not to have to carry my iPhone around with me in some cases. 
I like that old phone to much to ever get rid of it completely.

Kay Malmquist
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From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: some apple watch questions


Hi Kay,

If you are thinking you can only have an Apple Watch 4 and no iPhone at all 
then that is still years and years away.
At this point you still need an iPhone to set up the watch.
Yes, you can make and receive calls with the LTE version of the Apple Watch 
3 and 4, but the fact is that many apps you have on your iPhone simply don't 
exist for the watch.
Also, how would  you do text input, sure, you can dictate, but there is no 
on-screen keyboard except for a dialpad in the Phone app.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some apple watch questions

Well, I'm trying to eliminate the phone from the mix if I can.  I like the
idea of the watch having cellular capabilities and that is one thing that
intrigued me about the 4 series.  Bluetooth should work just fine.

Kay Malmquist
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To: "VIPhone Mailing List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: some apple watch questions


Hi Kay,

It's a always a speakerphone experience unless you have Bluetooth
headphones. You can switch to the phone if you like, though.

Best,
Anna




> On Sep 16, 2018, at 10:51 AM, Kay Malmquist 
> wrote:
>
> When answering the phone from your watch, can you hold the watch up to
> your
> head and sort of use it like a phone, or is the speaker always on?  I
> guess
> I am talking about more privacy.  Hope this makes sense.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Anna Dresner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: some apple watch questions
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> My favorite things about the watch are getting notifications on my wrist
> and
> the fitness stuff. In a crowded, noisy environment, getting a tap on the
> wrist when a text message comes in means I'm more likely to know I got the
> message. I'm not that into fitness, but being reminded to get up and walk
> around each hour has improved my health, I'm sure.
>
> Sometimes when it's hard to get my phone out in a hurry, being able to
> answer the phone from my wrist is convenient.
>
> There are apps that are really helpful in addition to the built-in ones as
> well. I have one called Clicker that simply lets you tap it to count
> things.
> I knit, and some of the patterns require counting rows. I love having the
> count on my wrist, where it's easy to access.
>
> It's also easier to deal with text messages from the watch without
> stopping
> what I'm doing completely. When a new one comes in, I can quickly dictate
> a
> reply.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have two Braille watches. But I do wonder why I would want an Apple
>> watch? What would it do for me, especially since I have an iPhone? I'm
>> not
>> a swimmer, so that part of it has no application to me.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
>> Barton
>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:20 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: some apple watch questions
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i have been toying with the idea of getting the apple watch. So don't
>> laugh, right now, i have a braille watch, yea i know, old, lol.
>> Honestly i haven't really played with the apple watch.  What's everyone's
>> thoughts on it?  The list of things you can do with it, it's crazy.
>> Just wanna get some general opinions.
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apple tv and streaming television

[Juan Hernandez]

HI All,

 

My HOA, Home owners Association decided over night that they were going to
cut the basic extended cable plan they gave to all home  owners.  And I
don't really feel like buying an expensive cable package just to have access
to a few channels that I like.

 

So, What works well with Voice Over on the apple tv? Directv? Sling Box?

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

  juanhernande...@gmail.com

619-750-9431 (M) |  858-777-3311 (F)

  My WebSite | Twitter |
 FaceBook |
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RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Mine is the IC-BK05, 3-color backlight, full size tri-folding keyboard.  I 
don't care about the backlight feature either, but I do prefer the full size 
one.  My husband has a smaller size of this keyboard, but I find it easier to 
use the larger size.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Traci 
Duncan [our4p...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

Thank you both.

 Do you happen to know which models you use? They have an updated model with a 
back lit option. I'm thinking of buying the older model because I don't need 
the lighting. Oh also, have either of you had problems with the E key?

Thank you,
Traci


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 11:17 AM,   
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> Good Afternoon Tracy,
>
> I have used this keyboard and it is very nifty. The trifold is very slick and 
> it has a little carrying pouch/bag so you can throw it in a bag and it 
> doesn't take up much room.  I have used this to teach IOS students how to use 
> a Bluetooth keyboard with their devices. If you have any questions let me 
> know.
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> Duncan
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iClever Bluetooth keyboard
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> In shopping around for a bluetooth keyboard, I came across the trifold 
> iClever. Has anyone used this one?
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iTunes for business working now

[Gordon]

So I was one of the ones who updated to the latest version of iTunes. So 
I went and got the business one that was talked about out here. Even 
though I uninstalled the previous version of iTunes, it said that it 
couldn't read a file because it was created by a newer version of 
iTunes. So I went into my music folder and deleted the iTunes folder and 
it works fine now. Everything is there that I need it looks like and 
it's accessible. I only use iTunes to load tones on my phone and for 
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Re: apple tv and streaming television

[Jim Weiss]

I just bought an Apple TV within the past 3 weeks.  Here has been my experience.
Sling TV (this is not Sling Box) was completely non-accessible.  Hulu provided 
the best experience, but not perfect.  Direct TV Now has the most options, but 
the app on TVOS is pretty much a mess even for the sighted user.  I did install 
the Direct TV Now app on my iPhone, and it is very accessible so I just use 
Airplay from my iPhone to my TV and it works very well.  I just need to keep my 
iPhone on the charger while watching TV.
I am very interested in hearing what others have to say on this topic as it is 
very new to me as well.  On Applevis.com  several people 
liked YouTubeTV and they had the same offerings as Hulu.
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compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the 
weak and strong.  Because someday in your life you will have been all of 
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> On Sep 17, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> HI All,
>  
> My HOA, Home owners Association decided over night that they were going to 
> cut the basic extended cable plan they gave to all home  owners.  And I don’t 
> really feel like buying an expensive cable package just to have access to a 
> few channels that I like.
>  
> So, What works well with Voice Over on the apple tv? Directv? Sling Box?
>  
> Best,
>  
> Juan Hernandez
> juanhernande...@gmail.com 
> 619-750-9431 (M) |  858-777-3311 (F)
> My WebSite  | Twitter 
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Beware FlickType update from App Store

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I’m running latest iOS 12 beta GM on my 2018 iPad and have just downloaded the 
new FlickType update from the App Store, restarted the iPad and now the 
FlickType app refuses to load, claiming something about being unable to 
establish a secure connection. Beware!
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Siri Shortcuts

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Hi all, 
I cannot find the Siri Shortcuts app in the app store nor do I find an update 
to the Workflow app.

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Re: Siri Shortcuts

['christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone]

Did you try searching for "shortcuts" without the quotes? And yes, FYI iOS 12 
is now open to the public along with watchOs 5 and tvOs 12. Oh and Homepod has 
received a major update too.

> On 17 Sep 2018, at 20:29, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
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Re: Siri Shortcuts

[Traci Duncan]

I believe this is it.

Shortcuts by Apple
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/shortcuts/id915249334?mt=8


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: iTunes for business working now

[M. Taylor]

That's great news, Gordon.

Have you updated to iOS 12 yet?  If so, have you connected your device to your 
computer to see if you get any error messages from iTunes for business?  Just 
curious.

Mark

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So I was one of the ones who updated to the latest version of iTunes. So I went 
and got the business one that was talked about out here. Even though I 
uninstalled the previous version of iTunes, it said that it couldn't read a 
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RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: iTunes for business working now

['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

Can you install iTunes for Business over the usual iTunes, or will it download 
as a separate program? Thanks, Keith

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That's great news, Gordon.

Have you updated to iOS 12 yet?  If so, have you connected your device to your 
computer to see if you get any error messages from iTunes for business?  Just 
curious.

Mark

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So I was one of the ones who updated to the latest version of iTunes. So I went 
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RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

[Vivian Conger]

Traci,

I haven't used it but have a friend who loved it until she dropped it and one 
of the hinges broke.

Vivian



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Duncan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

In shopping around for a bluetooth keyboard, I came across the trifold iClever. 
Has anyone used this one? 

Traci 


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RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: iTunes for business working now

[M. Taylor]

Keith,

The short answer to your question is, no.

In order to use iTunes for business, after having installed the latest version 
of standard iTunes, you will have to first delete the latest version and then 
install business.  

However, you must also save your current .I.T.L. files in order to save your 
current iTunes library.  

Before updating, I suggest that you google how to prepare your iTunes library 
for downgrading to iTunes for business.  It is not a difficult process but one 
that you should thoroughly understand before beginning the process.

Mark 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:47 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: iTunes for business working now

Can you install iTunes for Business over the usual iTunes, or will it download 
as a separate program? Thanks, Keith

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That's great news, Gordon.

Have you updated to iOS 12 yet?  If so, have you connected your device to your 
computer to see if you get any error messages from iTunes for business?  Just 
curious.

Mark

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So I was one of the ones who updated to the latest version of iTunes. So I went 
and got the business one that was talked about out here. Even though I 
uninstalled the previous version of iTunes, it said that it couldn't read a 
file because it was created by a newer version of iTunes. So I went into my 
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Re: iTunes for business working now

[Gordon]

I was running the beta for the past couple of months. So I got the GM 
last Wednesday. It all seems to be working fine. I went in and saw my 
most recent backup that I did manually at 1:04 this afternoon. You can 
tab through things like you could prior to the most recent version of 
iTunes and get to the button to see all about your iPhone. but you might 
have to delete the iTunes folder from your music folder to get past that 
error about it not being able to read a file because the file was 
created by a recent version of iTunes. I'm running windows 10 on my PC.



On 9/17/2018 3:43 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

That's great news, Gordon.

Have you updated to iOS 12 yet?  If so, have you connected your device to your 
computer to see if you get any error messages from iTunes for business?  Just 
curious.

Mark

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Subject: iTunes for business working now

So I was one of the ones who updated to the latest version of iTunes. So I went 
and got the business one that was talked about out here. Even though I 
uninstalled the previous version of iTunes, it said that it couldn't read a 
file because it was created by a newer version of iTunes. So I went into my 
music folder and deleted the iTunes folder and it works fine now. Everything is 
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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: iTunes for business working now

[Gordon]

No you need to uninstall the current version of iTunes and restart your 
computer to flush everything out. I had to install it twice because I 
didn't restart. Be


sure to uninstall all of the apple stuff after you uninstall iTunes. The 
Apple software updates and the Apple support stuff.

On 9/17/2018 3:47 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone wrote:

Can you install iTunes for Business over the usual iTunes, or will it download 
as a separate program? Thanks, Keith

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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: iTunes for business working now

That's great news, Gordon.

Have you updated to iOS 12 yet?  If so, have you connected your device to your 
computer to see if you get any error messages from iTunes for business?  Just 
curious.

Mark

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Subject: iTunes for business working now

So I was one of the ones who updated to the latest version of iTunes. So I went 
and got the business one that was talked about out here. Even though I 
uninstalled the previous version of iTunes, it said that it couldn't read a 
file because it was created by a newer version of iTunes. So I went into my 
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RE: Siri Shortcuts

[Merv Keck]

I had a little trouble finding it. When I did find it, I already had it on my 
Phone. Was Workflow rebranded by any chance? Because I did not download it 
intentionally while running IOS 11.4.1. However, I did have Workflow on my 
iPhone 8+.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:43 PM
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Subject: Re: Siri Shortcuts

 

I believe this is it.

 

Shortcuts by Apple
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/shortcuts/id915249334?mt=8

 

Sent from my iPhone


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Did you try searching for "shortcuts" without the quotes? And yes, FYI iOS 12 
is now open to the public along with watchOs 5 and tvOs 12. Oh and Homepod has 
received a major update too.




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Hi all, 

I cannot find the Siri Shortcuts app in the app store nor do I find an update 
to the Workflow app.

 

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['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

Hi, yes. Workflow was rebranded. Now it is Siri shortcuts. All I had to do was 
install the update from workflow.

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Merv Keck  wrote:
> 
> I had a little trouble finding it. When I did find it, I already had it on my 
> Phone. Was Workflow rebranded by any chance? Because I did not download it 
> intentionally while running IOS 11.4.1. However, I did have Workflow on my 
> iPhone 8+.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri Shortcuts
>  
> I believe this is it.
>  
> Shortcuts by Apple
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/shortcuts/id915249334?mt=8
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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> Did you try searching for "shortcuts" without the quotes? And yes, FYI iOS 12 
> is now open to the public along with watchOs 5 and tvOs 12. Oh and Homepod 
> has received a major update too.
> 
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RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

[Vivian Conger]

How much different is the size of yours' and your husband's?

Thanks.

Vivian


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Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

Mine is the IC-BK05, 3-color backlight, full size tri-folding keyboard.  I 
don't care about the backlight feature either, but I do prefer the full size 
one.  My husband has a smaller size of this keyboard, but I find it easier to 
use the larger size.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Traci 
Duncan [our4p...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

Thank you both.

 Do you happen to know which models you use? They have an updated model with a 
back lit option. I'm thinking of buying the older model because I don't need 
the lighting. Oh also, have either of you had problems with the E key?

Thank you,
Traci


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 11:17 AM,   
> wrote:
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> Good Afternoon Tracy,
>
> I have used this keyboard and it is very nifty. The trifold is very slick and 
> it has a little carrying pouch/bag so you can throw it in a bag and it 
> doesn't take up much room.  I have used this to teach IOS students how to use 
> a Bluetooth keyboard with their devices. If you have any questions let me 
> know.
>
> Joe DiNero
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Helen Keller Services for the Blind
> JAWS and ZoomText Certified
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iClever Bluetooth keyboard
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> In shopping around for a bluetooth keyboard, I came across the trifold 
> iClever. Has anyone used this one?
>
> Traci
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a bit confused with the new ibooks app under ios 12

[Anouk Radix]

Hi everyone,

I just installed ios 12 on my iphone 6 and it seems a bit faster. I like 
the new braille commands but was a bit surprised with the changes within 
the ibooks app now calles books. Mostly the my purchases tabs seems to 
have gone and you cant hide or unhide icloud books within the colections 
selection as far as i can see.


I think i can still select either all audiobooks or all normal books by 
changing the collection but can I then still see what is on my iphone 
and what is in the cloud?


Maybe I just need to get used to this but it seems tohave gotten a bit 
more confusion especially if you have huge selections of ebooks and 
audiobooks both in the cloud and downloade dto your device.


Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: Siri Shortcuts

[Gerardo Corripio]

Thanks a lot! I was too looking for it, but hadn’t ben able to locate it. It’s 
weird because it says Update, thus I guess it used to be ork flow but it 
changed it name? I sure hope the workflows I created and/or downloaded in its 
time still work!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 17 sep 2018, a la(s) 2:42 p. m., Traci Duncan  escribió:

> I believe this is it.
> 
> Shortcuts by Apple
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/shortcuts/id915249334?mt=8
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:41 PM, 'christopher hallsworth' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
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>> Did you try searching for "shortcuts" without the quotes? And yes, FYI iOS 
>> 12 is now open to the public along with watchOs 5 and tvOs 12. Oh and 
>> Homepod has received a major update too.
>> 
>>> On 17 Sep 2018, at 20:29, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> I cannot find the Siri Shortcuts app in the app store nor do I find an 
>>> update to the Workflow app.
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RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Mine is about 11-1/2 inches long when unfolded, 6-1/2 inches long when folded, 
and 4-1/2 inches wide.

My husband's is about 10 inches long when unfolded, 5-3/4 inches long when 
folded, and 3-1/2 inches wide.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Vivian 
Conger [blazie.g...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

How much different is the size of yours' and your husband's?

Thanks.

Vivian


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Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

Mine is the IC-BK05, 3-color backlight, full size tri-folding keyboard.  I 
don't care about the backlight feature either, but I do prefer the full size 
one.  My husband has a smaller size of this keyboard, but I find it easier to 
use the larger size.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Traci 
Duncan [our4p...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

Thank you both.

 Do you happen to know which models you use? They have an updated model with a 
back lit option. I'm thinking of buying the older model because I don't need 
the lighting. Oh also, have either of you had problems with the E key?

Thank you,
Traci


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 11:17 AM,   
> wrote:
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> Good Afternoon Tracy,
>
> I have used this keyboard and it is very nifty. The trifold is very slick and 
> it has a little carrying pouch/bag so you can throw it in a bag and it 
> doesn't take up much room.  I have used this to teach IOS students how to use 
> a Bluetooth keyboard with their devices. If you have any questions let me 
> know.
>
> Joe DiNero
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Helen Keller Services for the Blind
> JAWS and ZoomText Certified
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iClever Bluetooth keyboard
>
> In shopping around for a bluetooth keyboard, I came across the trifold 
> iClever. Has anyone used this one?
>
> Traci
>
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RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

[Vivian Conger]

Thanks so much.

Vivian


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 2:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

Mine is about 11-1/2 inches long when unfolded, 6-1/2 inches long when folded, 
and 4-1/2 inches wide.

My husband's is about 10 inches long when unfolded, 5-3/4 inches long when 
folded, and 3-1/2 inches wide.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Vivian 
Conger [blazie.g...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

How much different is the size of yours' and your husband's?

Thanks.

Vivian


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

Mine is the IC-BK05, 3-color backlight, full size tri-folding keyboard.  I 
don't care about the backlight feature either, but I do prefer the full size 
one.  My husband has a smaller size of this keyboard, but I find it easier to 
use the larger size.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Traci 
Duncan [our4p...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iClever Bluetooth keyboard

Thank you both.

 Do you happen to know which models you use? They have an updated model with a 
back lit option. I'm thinking of buying the older model because I don't need 
the lighting. Oh also, have either of you had problems with the E key?

Thank you,
Traci


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 11:17 AM,   
> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon Tracy,
>
> I have used this keyboard and it is very nifty. The trifold is very slick and 
> it has a little carrying pouch/bag so you can throw it in a bag and it 
> doesn't take up much room.  I have used this to teach IOS students how to use 
> a Bluetooth keyboard with their devices. If you have any questions let me 
> know.
>
> Joe DiNero
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Helen Keller Services for the Blind
> JAWS and ZoomText Certified
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iClever Bluetooth keyboard
>
> In shopping around for a bluetooth keyboard, I came across the trifold 
> iClever. Has anyone used this one?
>
> Traci
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: some apple watch questions

[Jeremy Gilley]

Hello,

I just ordered my 4th generation watch.

It will be here middle of October.

Didn't expect to pay more for it then I did my Iphone 8+.

That sucker cost me a tad over 1,600 U.S dollars including tax and the apple
care package.

Anyways, I sure hope its worth it.

I love the workout aspect of it, the heart rate.

I am huge into outdoors and distance etc.

So, From that point of view and the weather I think I will.

However, I thought there was something recently that showed a book or info
on how to set up the watch, get familiar at least with the basic of a watch.

I never had any of the earlier generations.

So, this is my first watch.

Any tips or info as to where I can put my hands on this info would be super
appreciated.

Thanks.

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:55 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: some apple watch questions

 

Hi,

 

You can see your average heart rate. If you go into the Heart Rate app, you
can get more specific info, including realtime heart rate measurements.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

 





On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone
 wrote:

 

Hi Anna 

 

Once you have finished your work out is it possible to see what your heart
rate was during the work out or can you only see your current heart rate.

Thanks

Linda 

 

Sent from my iPhone


On 17 Sep 2018, at 16:25, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hello Mohib,

 

The book is available from National Braille Press at

www.nbp.org  

Search for watch on the main page, and you'll find it right away.

 

And no, the workout app doesn't announce your heart rate all the time,
though it is measuring it constantly. So you can unlock the screen and find
out what it is at any time, but most of the time, the screen is locked, and
the app isn't speaking information.

 

Best,

Anna

 





On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:36 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay 
wrote:

 

Anna, is this book available in India to purchase?

On 9/17/18, Anna Dresner  wrote:



Thanks very much, Sadam. I'm so glad you liked the book. and fortunately,
the changes to the watch mean that while the book won't cover the new
features, it should still be accurate about the features it describes.

I'm not doing a Getting sTarted with the iPhone book this year because
demand is way down. The changes in iOS 12 are small enough that the iOS 11
version should still be helpful, though.

Best,
Anna





On Sep 16, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:

I recently purchased Anna's excellent book You and  Your  Apple Watch.

It was amazingly well written!

Even with the exchange rate I didn't hesitate to hit that buy button.

I'd consider myself quite an advanced user of tech, but even I learn some
very handy tips and tricks from Anna's wonderful book.

Advanced or basic user, anyone wanting to get to grips with the Wach from
a blindness perspective should jump at purchasing the above title.

Thanks again for writing such a fantastic book Anna, I would rate this
book 5 stars  and then some.

Are you planning to update Getting Started with the iPhone and iOS 11 once
iOS 12 is released?

Keep up the good work!

Direct link to purchase Anna's mentioned book for the Watch:

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WATCH.html

On 9/17/2018 12:35 AM, Anna Dresner wrote:



Hi everyone,

My favorite things about the watch are getting notifications on my wrist
and the fitness stuff. In a crowded, noisy environment, getting a tap on
the wrist when a text message comes in means I'm more likely to know I
got the message. I'm not that into fitness, but being reminded to get up
and walk around each hour has improved my health, I'm sure.

Sometimes when it's hard to get my phone out in a hurry, being able to
answer the phone from my wrist is convenient.

There are apps that are really helpful in addition to the built-in ones
as well. I have one called Clicker that simply lets you tap it to count
things. I knit, and some of the patterns require counting rows. I love
having the count on my wrist, where it's easy to access.

It's also easier to deal with text messages from the watch without
stopping what I'm doing completely. When a new one comes in, I can
quickly dictate a reply.

I hope that helps.

Best,
Anna


Sent from my iPhone




On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
wrote:

I have two Braille watches. But I do wonder why I would want an Apple
watch? What would it do for me, especially since I have an iPhone? I'm
not a swimmer, so that part of it has no application to me.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
Barton
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:20 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: some apple watch questions

Hey guys,

OK, i have been toying with the idea of getting the apple watch. So
don't laugh, right now, i have a braille watch, yea i know, old, lol.
Ho

Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[Kenny]

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an 
easy way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. 
Sounds like a nice phone.



On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html


  iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference

iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the 
iPhone 8  in Apple’s iPhone lineup. 
This is more because of the way it has been priced as it is the 
cheapest newest iPhone in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge 
size difference between the two but given how Apple has priced the 
iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most popular iPhone of all the 
three handsets.



*What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?*

So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter 
really that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.



  *Design*

  * iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
  * iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is 
largely due to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. 
Despite the 1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still 
relatively compact since it features an almost bezel-less display. 
Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is 
also available in a bunch of colors including Red, Yellow, and Orange.



  *Display*

  * iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x
828 pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
  * iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x
750 pixel (326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the 
market right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 
8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D Touch.



  *Processor*

  * iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent
faster, 50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
  * iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural
engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it 
comes to performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking 
things to a different level altogether. The two performance cores in 
A12 bionic are up to 15 percent faster, while the 4 efficiency cores 
consume 50 percent less power when compared to the A11 Bionic. The 
4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster performance when compared to 
the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized specifically for Metal 2.


The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as 
well. It is now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per 
second, while the A11 Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million 
operations/sec. This allows the A12 Bionic to complete certain system 
tasks faster and also greatly helps in quickly completing complex 
calculations for Memoji and Animoji.


iPhone 8 front view


  *Storage*

  * iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB
  * iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB

While Apple offers the iPhone 8 in two different storage tiers of 64GB 
and 256GB, it offers the iPhone XR in three different storage tiers: 
64GB, 128GB, and 256GB.



  *Camera*

  * iPhone XR – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8, 1.4um large
pixels, OIS, Smart HDR, Focus Pixels, Portrait mode with advanced
bokeh and Depth control, Quad-LED True Tone Flash
  * iPhone 8 – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8 aperture, 1.22um
pixel pitch, OIS, Auto HDR, Focus Pixels, Quad-LED True Tone Flash

The iPhone XR and iPhone 8 both feature a 12MP shooter at its rear. 
While they might look the same, the iPhone XR features a bigger camera 
sensor with bigger 1.4um pixel pitch. It also has Smart HDR for 
improved dynamic range and details. The new camera sensor on the 
iPhone XR allows for wider dynamic range while recording videos in 
30fps, with both phones also capable of recording stereo around while 
video recording.



  *Front Camera*

  * iPhone XR – 7MP TrueDepth Camera, f/2.2 aperture, Retina Flash,
Portrait mode with advanced bokeh and Depth control, Smart HDR
  * iPhone 8 – 7MP FaceTime HD camera, f/2.2 aperture, Retina Flash,
Auto HDR

The iPhone XR 7MP camera is a huge upgrade over the iPhone 8. It is a 
TrueDepth camera system which means it is capable of 3D depth sensing 
which is used to offer features like Memoji and Animoji. The TrueDepth 
camera system also paves the way for Face ID. It is also capable of 
capturing Portrait photos with fake bokeh effect, something which one 
cannot do on the iPhone 8 Plus.



  *Biometric Authentication*

  * iPhone XR – The hand

IPhone SE manual

[Onwardbob]

Hi, does anyone know where I can find a downloadable version of the SE
manual? Apple support doesn't appear to offer one, and I didn't find
anything that actually worked on Google.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG



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RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Kenny,
Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.
But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.
A lot to think about.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.


On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html
iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
[iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference]

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 
8 in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two but 
given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.

What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?

So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.

Design

  *   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
  *   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due to 
the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump 
in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it features an 
almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, 
the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red, Yellow, and 
Orange.

Display

  *   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
  *   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
(326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina display. 
Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market right now. 
However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D 
Touch.

Processor

  *   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 
50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
  *   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent 
faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when 
compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It is 
now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows the 
A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly helps in 
quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.
[iPhone 8 front view]
Storage

  *   iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB
  *   iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB

While Apple offers the iPhone 8 in two different storage tiers of 64GB and 
256GB, it offers the iPhone XR in three different storage tiers: 64GB, 128GB, 
and 256GB.

Camera

  *   iPhone XR – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8, 1.4um large pixels, OIS, 
Smart HDR, Focus Pixels, Portrait mode with advanced bokeh and Depth control, 
Quad-LED True Tone Flash
  *   iPhone 8 – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8 aperture, 1.22um pixel 
pitch, OIS, Auto HDR, Focus Pixels, Quad-LED True Tone Flash

The iPhone XR and iPhone 8 both feature a 12MP shooter at its rear.

Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[Dave]

iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Differenceyes, it is bigger, than the iPhone 
6, 6s, and the iPhone 8, as they are all the same size.

Dave.


From: janet gross 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Kenny, 

Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.  

But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.  

A lot to think about.  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

 

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.

 

On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

   

  This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading. 

   


  
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html

  iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
   

  Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 8 in 
Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more because of the way it has been priced as it 
is the cheapest newest iPhone in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge 
size difference between the two but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, 
it is likely going to be the most popular iPhone of all the three handsets.

  What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?
  So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.

  Design
a.. iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified 
b.. iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified
  The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due 
to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch 
jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it 
features an almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike 
the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including 
Red, Yellow, and Orange.

  Display
a.. iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch 
b.. iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 
pixel (326 ppi), 3D Touch
  The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market 
right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR 
lacks 3D Touch.

  Processor
a.. iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent 
faster, 50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine 
b.. iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine
  Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent 
faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when 
compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

  The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It 
is now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows the 
A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly helps in 
quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.

   

  Storage
a.. iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB 
b.. iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB
  While Apple offers the iPhone 8 in two different storage tiers of 64GB and 
256GB, it offers the iPhone XR in three different storage tiers: 64GB, 128GB, 
and 256GB.

  Camera
a.. iPhone XR – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8, 1.4um large pixels, 
OIS, Smart HDR, Focus Pixels, Portr

Re: some apple watch questions

[lenron brown]

woh over 1600? is that the stainless steel model? Sorry you have to
wait until the middle of October. I am wondering if I should get apple
care for it just encase.

On 9/17/18, Jeremy Gilley  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just ordered my 4th generation watch.
>
> It will be here middle of October.
>
> Didn't expect to pay more for it then I did my Iphone 8+.
>
> That sucker cost me a tad over 1,600 U.S dollars including tax and the
> apple
> care package.
>
> Anyways, I sure hope its worth it.
>
> I love the workout aspect of it, the heart rate.
>
> I am huge into outdoors and distance etc.
>
> So, From that point of view and the weather I think I will.
>
> However, I thought there was something recently that showed a book or info
> on how to set up the watch, get familiar at least with the basic of a
> watch.
>
> I never had any of the earlier generations.
>
> So, this is my first watch.
>
> Any tips or info as to where I can put my hands on this info would be super
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>   _
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Anna Dresner
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:55 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: some apple watch questions
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> You can see your average heart rate. If you go into the Heart Rate app, you
> can get more specific info, including realtime heart rate measurements.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone
>  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Anna
>
>
>
> Once you have finished your work out is it possible to see what your heart
> rate was during the work out or can you only see your current heart rate.
>
> Thanks
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 16:25, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>
> Hello Mohib,
>
>
>
> The book is available from National Braille Press at
>
> www.nbp.org 
>
> Search for watch on the main page, and you'll find it right away.
>
>
>
> And no, the workout app doesn't announce your heart rate all the time,
> though it is measuring it constantly. So you can unlock the screen and find
> out what it is at any time, but most of the time, the screen is locked, and
> the app isn't speaking information.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:36 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Anna, is this book available in India to purchase?
>
> On 9/17/18, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks very much, Sadam. I'm so glad you liked the book. and fortunately,
> the changes to the watch mean that while the book won't cover the new
> features, it should still be accurate about the features it describes.
>
> I'm not doing a Getting sTarted with the iPhone book this year because
> demand is way down. The changes in iOS 12 are small enough that the iOS 11
> version should still be helpful, though.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>
> I recently purchased Anna's excellent book You and  Your  Apple Watch.
>
> It was amazingly well written!
>
> Even with the exchange rate I didn't hesitate to hit that buy button.
>
> I'd consider myself quite an advanced user of tech, but even I learn some
> very handy tips and tricks from Anna's wonderful book.
>
> Advanced or basic user, anyone wanting to get to grips with the Wach from
> a blindness perspective should jump at purchasing the above title.
>
> Thanks again for writing such a fantastic book Anna, I would rate this
> book 5 stars  and then some.
>
> Are you planning to update Getting Started with the iPhone and iOS 11 once
> iOS 12 is released?
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Direct link to purchase Anna's mentioned book for the Watch:
>
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WATCH.html
>
> On 9/17/2018 12:35 AM, Anna Dresner wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> My favorite things about the watch are getting notifications on my wrist
> and the fitness stuff. In a crowded, noisy environment, getting a tap on
> the wrist when a text message comes in means I'm more likely to know I
> got the message. I'm not that into fitness, but being reminded to get up
> and walk around each hour has improved my health, I'm sure.
>
> Sometimes when it's hard to get my phone out in a hurry, being able to
> answer the phone from my wrist is convenient.
>
> There are apps that are really helpful in addition to the built-in ones
> as well. I have one called Clicker that simply lets you tap it to count
> things. I knit, and some of the patterns require counting rows. I love
> having the count on my wrist, where it's easy to access.
>
> It's also easier to deal with text messages from the watch without
> stopping what I'm doing completely. When a new one comes in, I can
> quickly dictate a reply.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
> I have two Braille watches. But I do wonder why I would want an Apple
> watch? What woul

RE: some apple watch questions

[Carolyn Arnold]

Go to the Hadly web site and watch the videos on the iWatch. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeremy Gilley
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: some apple watch questions

Hello,

I just ordered my 4th generation watch.

It will be here middle of October.

Didn't expect to pay more for it then I did my Iphone 8+.

That sucker cost me a tad over 1,600 U.S dollars including tax and the apple 
care package.

Anyways, I sure hope its worth it.

I love the workout aspect of it, the heart rate.

I am huge into outdoors and distance etc.

So, From that point of view and the weather I think I will.

However, I thought there was something recently that showed a book or info on 
how to set up the watch, get familiar at least with the basic of a watch.

I never had any of the earlier generations.

So, this is my first watch.

Any tips or info as to where I can put my hands on this info would be super 
appreciated.

Thanks.

 



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:55 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: some apple watch questions

 

Hi,

 

You can see your average heart rate. If you go into the Heart Rate app, you can 
get more specific info, including realtime heart rate measurements.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

 





On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Anna 

 

Once you have finished your work out is it possible to see what your heart rate 
was during the work out or can you only see your current heart rate.

Thanks

Linda 

 

Sent from my iPhone


On 17 Sep 2018, at 16:25, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hello Mohib,

 

The book is available from National Braille Press at

www.nbp.org  

Search for watch on the main page, and you'll find it right away.

 

And no, the workout app doesn't announce your heart rate all the time, 
though it is measuring it constantly. So you can unlock the screen and find out 
what it is at any time, but most of the time, the screen is locked, and the app 
isn't speaking information.

 

Best,

Anna

 





On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:36 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay mailto:mohibra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Anna, is this book available in India to purchase?

On 9/17/18, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> 
> wrote:



Thanks very much, Sadam. I'm so glad you liked the book. and 
fortunately,
the changes to the watch mean that while the book won't cover the new
features, it should still be accurate about the features it describes.

I'm not doing a Getting sTarted with the iPhone book this year because
demand is way down. The changes in iOS 12 are small enough that the iOS 
11
version should still be helpful, though.

Best,
Anna





On Sep 16, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Sadam Ahmed mailto:li...@sadamahmed.com> > wrote:

I recently purchased Anna's excellent book You and  Your  Apple Watch.

It was amazingly well written!

Even with the exchange rate I didn't hesitate to hit that buy button.

I'd consider myself quite an advanced user of tech, but even I learn 
some
very handy tips and tricks from Anna's wonderful book.

Advanced or basic user, anyone wanting to get to grips with the Wach 
from
a blindness perspective should jump at purchasing the above title.

Thanks again for writing such a fantastic book Anna, I would rate this
book 5 stars  and then some.

Are you planning to update Getting Started with the iPhone and iOS 11 
once
iOS 12 is released?

Keep up the good work!

Direct link to purchase Anna's mentioned book for the Watch:

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WATCH.html

On 9/17/2018 12:35 AM, Anna Dresner wrote:



Hi everyone,

My favorite things about the watch are getting notifications on my wrist
and the fitness stuff. In a crowded, noisy environment, getting a tap on
the wrist when a text message comes in means I'm more likely to know I
got the message. I'm not that into fitness, but being reminded to get up
and walk around each hour has improved my health, I'm sure.

Sometimes when it's hard to get my phone out in a hurry, being able to
answer the phone from my wrist is convenient.

There are apps that are really 

RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[Carolyn Arnold]

It does sound like a nice phone.

Right now, my plan is to wait a year or so, see if I can trade my phone up to 
an XR. I doubt I'll get anything really for my phone, but $10-$25 is better 
than nothing. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.




On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:



This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading. 



http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html



iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference

 

 


Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the 
iPhone 8   in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is 
more because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone 
in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two 
but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.




What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?


So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter 
really that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.


Design


*   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
*   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is 
largely due to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite 
the 1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact 
since it features an almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. 
Unlike the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors 
including Red, Yellow, and Orange.


Display


*   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 
x 828 pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
*   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 
750 pixel (326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market 
right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR 
lacks 3D Touch.


Processor


*   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 
percent faster, 50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
*   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, 
Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it 
comes to performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a 
different level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 
15 percent faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power 
when compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as 
well. It is now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while 
the A11 Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This 
allows the A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly 
helps in quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.

 

 


Storage


*   iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB
*   iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB

While Apple offers the iPhone 8 in two different storage tiers of 64GB 
and 256GB, it offers the iPhone XR in three different storage tiers: 64GB, 
128GB, and 256GB.


Camera


*   iPhone XR – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8, 1.4um large 
pixels, OIS, Smart HDR, Focus Pixels, Portrait mode with advanced bokeh and 
Depth control, Quad-LED True Tone Flash
*   iPhone 8 – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8 aperture, 1.22um 
pixel pitch, OIS, Auto HDR, Focus Pixels, Quad-L

RE: IPhone SE manual

[Carolyn Arnold]

Bob, I have a SE, and the very best help for me with it has been the Hadley 
videos. They have a lot of them that give pretty good coverage of most aspects 
of the phone. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Onwardbob
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IPhone SE manual

Hi, does anyone know where I can find a downloadable version of the SE manual? 
Apple support doesn't appear to offer one, and I didn't find anything that 
actually worked on Google.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG



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RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[Carolyn Arnold]

Some people say they like the larger phones. I really like my SE and hope that 
by the time I'd be thinking of trading for that XR that there could be a newer 
and smaller phone. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Kenny, 

Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.  

But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.  

A lot to think about.  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

 

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.

 

On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

 

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading. 

 



http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html


iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference


 

  

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the 
iPhone 8   in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is 
more because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone 
in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two 
but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.


What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?


So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter 
really that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.


Design


*   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
*   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is 
largely due to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite 
the 1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact 
since it features an almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. 
Unlike the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors 
including Red, Yellow, and Orange.


Display


*   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 
x 828 pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
*   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 
750 pixel (326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market 
right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR 
lacks 3D Touch.


Processor


*   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 
percent faster, 50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
*   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, 
Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it 
comes to performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a 
different level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 
15 percent faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power 
when compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as 
well. It is now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while 
the A11 Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This 
allows the A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly 
helps in quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.

 

Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[Gordon]

Yeah the XR is going to have a 6.1 inch screen. Not as big as the XS 
MAX, but still pretty large. It will be bigger than the 8 plus.



On 9/17/2018 5:52 PM, janet gross wrote:

iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Kenny,

Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if 
not all phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My 
only concern about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it 
might be too large for my hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone 
is much larger than my phone 6.  I will have to wait to go to a store 
and feel the xr for myself.


But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I 
update to iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before 
December, I might not even need to update, but I’ll see.


A lot to think about.

Janet

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Kenny

*Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find 
an easy way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model 
instead. Sounds like a nice phone.


On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.



http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html


  iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference

iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the
iPhone 8  in Apple’s iPhone
lineup. This is more because of the way it has been priced as it
is the cheapest newest iPhone in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup.
There’s a huge size difference between the two but given how Apple
has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.


*What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?*

So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter
really that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.


  *Design*

  * iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
  * iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is
largely due to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD
display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR
is still relatively compact since it features an almost bezel-less
display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, the
iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red,
Yellow, and Orange.


  *Display*

  * iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792
x 828 pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
  * iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334
x 750 pixel (326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid
Retina display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD
display in the market right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch
display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D Touch.


  *Processor*

  * iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15
percent faster, 50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
  * iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU,
Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when
it comes to performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is
taking things to a different level altogether. The two performance
cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent faster, while the 4
efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when compared to
the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been
optimized specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as
well. It is now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per
second, while the A11 Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600
million operations/sec. This allows the A12 Bionic to complete
certain system tasks faster and also greatly helps in quickly
completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.

iPhone 8 front view


  *Storage*

  * iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB
  * iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB

While Apple offers the iPhone 8 in two different storage ti

Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

['Kliphton Miller' via VIPhone]

Let’s be clear here.  The screen size is bigger, not actual size.  Remember the 
XR is going to be edge to edge.  The screen size of the X is 5.8, and the 6, 7, 
and 8, are all 4.7.  But the x is actually smaller then all of those because of 
being edge to edge, really nice phone too, just sole mine this morning to get 
the max, or XR, not sure just yet.

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:52 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Kenny,
> Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
> phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
> about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for 
> my hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 
> 6.  I will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself. 
> But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
> iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not 
> even need to update, but I’ll see.  
> A lot to think about. 
> Janet
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Kenny
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference
>  
> Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
> way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like 
> a nice phone.
> 
>  
> 
> On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
>  
> This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading. 
>  
> 
> http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html
>  
> 
> iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
>  src="http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/iPhone-XR-Best-Features-11.png
>  
> "
>  alt="iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference" /> 
> Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 8 
>  in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
> because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
> Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two 
> but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the 
> most popular iPhone of all the three handsets.
> 
> What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?
> 
> So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
> much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.
> 
> Design
> 
> iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
> iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified
> The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due 
> to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch 
> jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it 
> features an almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike 
> the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including 
> Red, Yellow, and Orange.
> 
> Display
> 
> iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 pixels 
> (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
> iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
> (326 ppi), 3D Touch
> The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
> display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market 
> right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone 
> XR lacks 3D Touch.
> 
> Processor
> 
> iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 50 
> percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
> iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine
> Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
> performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
> level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 
> percent faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power 
> when compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
> performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
> specifically for Metal 2.
> 
> The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It 
> is now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
> Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows 
> the A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly helps 
> in quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.
> 
>  src="h

Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[Dave]

remember, that the XR doesn't have 3D touch.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 12:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

It does sound like a nice phone.

Right now, my plan is to wait a year or so, see if I can trade my phone up 
to an XR. I doubt I'll get anything really for my phone, but $10-$25 is 
better than nothing.


Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kenny

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like 
a nice phone.





On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:



This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html



iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference





Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 8 
  in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two 
but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the 
most popular iPhone of all the three handsets.





What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?


So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really 
that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.



Design


* iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
* iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due 
to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 
1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact 
since it features an almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 
certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch 
of colors including Red, Yellow, and Orange.



Display


* iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
* iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
(326 ppi), 3D Touch


The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the 
market right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the 
iPhone XR lacks 3D Touch.



Processor


* iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 
50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine

* iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes 
to performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a 
different level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up 
to 15 percent faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less 
power when compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent 
faster performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.


The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It 
is now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows 
the A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly 
helps in quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.






Storage


* iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB
* iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB

While Apple offers the iPhone 8 in two different storage tiers of 64GB and 
256GB, it offers the iPhone XR in three different storage tiers: 64GB, 
128GB, and 256GB.



Camera


* iPhone XR – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8, 1.4um large pixels, OIS, 
Smart HDR, Focus Pixels, Portrait mode with advanced bokeh and Depth 
control, Quad-LED True Tone Flash
* iPhone 8 – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8 aperture, 1.22um pixel 
pitch, OIS, Auto HDR, Focus Pixels, Quad-LED True Tone Flash




The iPhone XR and iPhone 8 both feature a 12MP shooter at its re

Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[Dave]

iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Differencea bit on the large side for me.

I like something that will go in my pocket comfortably.

Dave.


From: Gordon 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 12:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Yeah the XR is going to have a 6.1 inch screen. Not as big as the XS MAX, but 
still pretty large. It will be bigger than the 8 plus.




On 9/17/2018 5:52 PM, janet gross wrote:

  Kenny, 

  Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.  

  But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.  

  A lot to think about.  

  Janet 

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

   

  Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.

   

  On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

 

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading. 

 



http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html

iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
 

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 8 
in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more because of the way it has been priced as 
it is the cheapest newest iPhone in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge 
size difference between the two but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, 
it is likely going to be the most popular iPhone of all the three handsets.

What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?
So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really 
that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.

Design
  a.. iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified 
  b.. iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified 
The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely 
due to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 
1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since 
it features an almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. 
Unlike the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors 
including Red, Yellow, and Orange.

Display
  a.. iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch 
  b.. iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 
pixel (326 ppi), 3D Touch 
The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market 
right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR 
lacks 3D Touch.

Processor
  a.. iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent 
faster, 50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine 
  b.. iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural 
engine 
Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes 
to performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a 
different level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 
15 percent faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power 
when compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It 
is now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows the 
A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly helps in 
quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.

 

Storage
  a.. iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB 
  b.. iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB 
While Apple offers the iPho

Re: some apple watch questions

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Jeremy,

I also wrote a book about the Apple Watch, available from National Braille 
Press at
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WATCH.html

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Jeremy Gilley  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I just ordered my 4th generation watch.
> It will be here middle of October.
> Didn't expect to pay more for it then I did my Iphone 8+.
> That sucker cost me a tad over 1,600 U.S dollars including tax and the apple 
> care package.
> Anyways, I sure hope its worth it.
> I love the workout aspect of it, the heart rate.
> I am huge into outdoors and distance etc.
> So, From that point of view and the weather I think I will.
> However, I thought there was something recently that showed a book or info on 
> how to set up the watch, get familiar at least with the basic of a watch.
> I never had any of the earlier generations.
> So, this is my first watch.
> Any tips or info as to where I can put my hands on this info would be super 
> appreciated.
> Thanks.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Anna Dresner
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:55 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: some apple watch questions
>  
> Hi,
>  
> You can see your average heart rate. If you go into the Heart Rate app, you 
> can get more specific info, including realtime heart rate measurements.
>  
> Best,
> Anna
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Anna 
>  
> Once you have finished your work out is it possible to see what your heart 
> rate was during the work out or can you only see your current heart rate.
> Thanks
> Linda 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 16:25, Anna Dresner  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello Mohib,
>>  
>> The book is available from National Braille Press at
>> www.nbp.org 
>> Search for watch on the main page, and you'll find it right away.
>>  
>> And no, the workout app doesn't announce your heart rate all the time, 
>> though it is measuring it constantly. So you can unlock the screen and find 
>> out what it is at any time, but most of the time, the screen is locked, and 
>> the app isn't speaking information.
>>  
>> Best,
>> Anna
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:36 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay > > wrote:
>>  
>> Anna, is this book available in India to purchase?
>> 
>> On 9/17/18, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks very much, Sadam. I'm so glad you liked the book. and fortunately,
>> the changes to the watch mean that while the book won't cover the new
>> features, it should still be accurate about the features it describes.
>> 
>> I'm not doing a Getting sTarted with the iPhone book this year because
>> demand is way down. The changes in iOS 12 are small enough that the iOS 11
>> version should still be helpful, though.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Sadam Ahmed > > wrote:
>> 
>> I recently purchased Anna's excellent book You and  Your  Apple Watch.
>> 
>> It was amazingly well written!
>> 
>> Even with the exchange rate I didn't hesitate to hit that buy button.
>> 
>> I'd consider myself quite an advanced user of tech, but even I learn some
>> very handy tips and tricks from Anna's wonderful book.
>> 
>> Advanced or basic user, anyone wanting to get to grips with the Wach from
>> a blindness perspective should jump at purchasing the above title.
>> 
>> Thanks again for writing such a fantastic book Anna, I would rate this
>> book 5 stars  and then some.
>> 
>> Are you planning to update Getting Started with the iPhone and iOS 11 once
>> iOS 12 is released?
>> 
>> Keep up the good work!
>> 
>> Direct link to purchase Anna's mentioned book for the Watch:
>> 
>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WATCH.html 
>> 
>> On 9/17/2018 12:35 AM, Anna Dresner wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> My favorite things about the watch are getting notifications on my wrist
>> and the fitness stuff. In a crowded, noisy environment, getting a tap on
>> the wrist when a text message comes in means I'm more likely to know I
>> got the message. I'm not that into fitness, but being reminded to get up
>> and walk around each hour has improved my health, I'm sure.
>> 
>> Sometimes when it's hard to get my phone out in a hurry, being able to
>> answer the phone from my wrist is convenient.
>> 
>> There are apps that are really helpful in addition to the built-in ones
>> as well. I have one called Clicker that simply lets you tap it to count
>> things. I knit, and some of the patterns require counting rows. I love
>> having the count on my wrist, where it's easy to access.
>> 
>> It's also easier to deal with text messages from the watch without
>> stopping what I'm doing completely. When a new one co

Re: IPhone SE manual

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

You can also open the Books (formerly iBooks) app, choose Library, then Search, 
and search for iPhone user guide.

Best,
Anna




> On Sep 17, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Bob, I have a SE, and the very best help for me with it has been the Hadley 
> videos. They have a lot of them that give pretty good coverage of most 
> aspects of the phone. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Onwardbob
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IPhone SE manual
> 
> Hi, does anyone know where I can find a downloadable version of the SE 
> manual? Apple support doesn't appear to offer one, and I didn't find anything 
> that actually worked on Google.
> 
> BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG
> 
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RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Hi,
I felt the iPhone 6 plus before, and it was just to big for my hands, and 
covered to much of my face when I held it up to my ear, but who knows maybe my 
hands grew in the last year!  Smile!  I’m still going to try it, but I just 
can’t remember the size of my phone 6 right now either though.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


Yeah the XR is going to have a 6.1 inch screen. Not as big as the XS MAX, but 
still pretty large. It will be bigger than the 8 plus.

On 9/17/2018 5:52 PM, janet gross wrote:
Kenny,
Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.
But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.
A lot to think about.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.


On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html
iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
[iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference]

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 
8 in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two but 
given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.

What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?

So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.

Design

  *   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
  *   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due to 
the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump 
in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it features an 
almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, 
the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red, Yellow, and 
Orange.

Display

  *   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
  *   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
(326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina display. 
Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market right now. 
However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D 
Touch.

Processor

  *   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 
50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
  *   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent 
faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when 
compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It is 
now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows the 
A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly helps in 
quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.
[iPhone 8 front view]RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


2018-09-17

Thread
janet gross

Hey Carolyn, 
I'm beginning to think if we want the smaller screens, we might have to buy an 
iWatch, because Apple is coming out with these larger and larger phones.  So 
maybe by next year when Apple brings out another new phone, maybe they will 
increase the size of the iWatch just a little from what they are now, and Voila 
 there's the new SE phone back, for those who like the smaller screens!  Smile! 
I don't know anything about the iWatches though, but by the looks of things, we 
might have to learn about them!  Smile!  I'm also beginning to wonder about 
these larger phones, maybe those are going to take the place of the iPad Minis! 
 LOL!  Just my personal  opinion.  
Janet 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Some people say they like the larger phones. I really like my SE and hope that 
by the time I'd be thinking of trading for that XR that there could be a newer 
and smaller phone. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Kenny, 

Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.  

But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.  

A lot to think about.  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

 

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.

 

On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

 

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading. 

 



http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html


iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference


 

  

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the 
iPhone 8   in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is 
more because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone 
in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two 
but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.


What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?


So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter 
really that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.


Design


*   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
*   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is 
largely due to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite 
the 1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact 
since it features an almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. 
Unlike the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors 
including Red, Yellow, and Orange.


Display


*   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 
x 828 pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
*   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 
750 pixel (326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market 
right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR 
lacks 3D Touch.


Processor


*   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 
percent faster, 50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
*   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, 
Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip 



How to delete podcast in the native podcast app


2018-09-17

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Mr. Ed

Hi All,

I have looked around in the native podcast app and I cannot figure out how
to delete podcast that I have listen too. Any help on how to delete podcast
would be appreciated.

Mr. Ed

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