Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Deidre Muccio]

Three or four years ago I was quoted a price of 700 not including tax foran 
iPhone 6 from an Apple store. I bought one for 350 as a deal from my carrier. 
And yes you can even buy a new one for $150 as long is two years ago and that 
is an Apple iPhone from AARP. So no not all iPhones of cost as much as $1000 
over the past years.

Deidre


> On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post 
> such link bait. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
> from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
> in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
> for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
> smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you this.
> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
> company in history.
> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
> most businesses.
> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
> $1,500?
> $2,000?
> 
> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
> iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
> Let that sink in.
> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
> is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
> And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone
> sales.
> Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those
> segments are also stagnant.
> Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere.
> Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices?
> I ran the numbers.
> If Apple cut prices back to 2016 levels

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Deidre Muccio]

And currently you can buy an iPhone 8 for $800 not an iPhone 8 X but an iPhone 
8 for 800 but yes all these also come with packages that you're required to buy 
meaning of a service. Still the phone itself… either way it's still a lot of 
money. If the cheapest iPhone I could buy was $1000 anywhere I looked, I would 
go back to a regular mobile phone and buy some other device like an iPod or 
something for a podcast listening and Internet browsing and those sorts of 
things.

Deidre


> On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post 
> such link bait. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
> from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
> in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
> for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
> smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you this.
> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
> company in history.
> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
> most businesses.
> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
> $1,500?
> $2,000?
> 
> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
> iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
> Let that sink in.
> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
> is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
> And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone
> sales.
> Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those
> segments are also stagnant.
> Which means 86% of Apple's

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Gordon]

And of course Apple has brought the SE back for $249 for the 32 gig 
version and $299 for the 128. This will help keep them in the game 
giving those who are working with a budget an opportunity to have an 
iPhone. For years Android was so popular because you could get several 
phones for under $100. I'm surprised that Apple hasn't introduced 
something like that. But these Apple products are built to last, so that 
$249 SE could last as long as several of the Androids under $100.


On 1/22/2019 2:04 AM, Deidre Muccio wrote:

Three or four years ago I was quoted a price of 700 not including tax foran 
iPhone 6 from an Apple store. I bought one for 350 as a deal from my carrier. 
And yes you can even buy a new one for $150 as long is two years ago and that 
is an Apple iPhone from AARP. So no not all iPhones of cost as much as $1000 
over the past years.

Deidre



On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post 
such link bait.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

The End Of Apple
By Stephen McBride

"Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
(AAPL) iPhone.
He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
"Who can afford that?" he asks.

Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
Apple has had an incredible decade.
Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
The stock has soared over 700%.
And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
company.
But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
from its November peak.

That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
in a single stock ever.
And it's only the beginning.
Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:

By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
But technology always gets cheaper over time.
Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
for $500.
In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
smartphone prices by 500%!
Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
But let me tell you this.
Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
company in history.
Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
most businesses.
But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
$1,500?
$2,000?

How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
Let that sink in.
A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
And its 

Can’t seem to lock my phone when on a call

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,

My subject says it all. I can not seem to lock my phone, when on a call. I am 
using an iPhone XR, with the latest update.

Has anyone else experienced this issue?
If so, is there anything that can be done about it? I assume not. But I figured 
I would ask.
I can lock my phone when on a call, using my Bluetooth ear piece. But when on a 
call, holding the phone to my ear, it can’t be done. If I try to do this, my 
phone then goes to speaker.
Why could this be happening?

Thank you,

Terri

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Christopher Chaltain]

Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from 
Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security 
patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it 
doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before 
spreading false information. 
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en




On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote:
Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to 
make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple 
builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of 
them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really 
isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years 
of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still 
in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time 
are probably on their way to a recycling center.


On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones 
since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299.
"The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look 
at what an iPhone 7 costs right now.
If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC 
sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from 
their end as is Apple.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

The End Of Apple
By Stephen McBride

"Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for 
free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag 
of the latest Apple

(AAPL) iPhone.
He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
"Who can afford that?" he asks.

Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
Apple has had an incredible decade.
Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped 
tenfold.

The stock has soared over 700%.
And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly 
traded company.

But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings 
forecast.

The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed 
about 35% from its November peak.
  That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout 
of wealth in a single stock ever.

And it's only the beginning.
Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at 
Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.

Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
  By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But 
there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.

Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you 
could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.

In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
But technology always gets cheaper over time.
Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even 
a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch 
one from Best Buy for $500.
In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average 
price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has 
hiked its smartphone prices by 500%!

Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
But let me tell you this.
Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today 
over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant 
player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable 
publicly traded company in history.
Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end 
for most businesses.
But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price 
hikes.
Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge 
prices that seemed crazy just a few years ago.

But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
$1,500?
$2,000?

How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
In November, Apple announced it would s

RE: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

You can pick up cheaper ones from Gazelle, Ebay, and the refurrbed apple store.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Deidre 
Muccio
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 2:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

Three or four years ago I was quoted a price of 700 not including tax foran 
iPhone 6 from an Apple store. I bought one for 350 as a deal from my carrier. 
And yes you can even buy a new one for $150 as long is two years ago and that 
is an Apple iPhone from AARP. So no not all iPhones of cost as much as $1000 
over the past years.

Deidre


> On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post 
> such link bait. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
> from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
> in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
> for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
> smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you this.
> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
> company in history.
> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
> most businesses.
> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
> $1,500?
> $2,000?
> 
> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
> iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
> Let that sink in.
> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
> is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
> And its other 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Brett]

Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down 
over time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest 
updates, you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it. 
You can't say that about apple.

Cheers,
Brett.




On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain  wrote:


Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from
Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security
patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it
doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before
spreading false information.
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en



On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote:

Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to
make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple
builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of
them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really
isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years
of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still
in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time
are probably on their way to a recycling center.

On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones
since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299.
"The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look
at what an iPhone 7 costs right now.
If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC
sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from
their end as is Apple.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

The End Of Apple
By Stephen McBride

"Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the
first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for
free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag
of the latest Apple
(AAPL) iPhone.
He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
"Who can afford that?" he asks.

Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
Apple has had an incredible decade.
Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped
tenfold.
The stock has soared over 700%.
And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly
traded company.
But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings
forecast.
The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed
about 35% from its November peak.
  That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout
of wealth in a single stock ever.
And it's only the beginning.
Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at
Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
  By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But
there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple
sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you
could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
But technology always gets cheaper over time.
Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even
a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch
one from Best Buy for $500.
In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average
price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has
hiked its smartphone prices by 500%!
Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
But let me tell you this.
Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today
over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant
player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable
publicly traded company in history.
Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end
for most businesses.
But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price
hikes.
Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge
price

RE: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Carolyn Arnold]

Thankful I got my SE for $160. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

And of course Apple has brought the SE back for $249 for the 32 gig version and 
$299 for the 128. This will help keep them in the game giving those who are 
working with a budget an opportunity to have an iPhone. For years Android was 
so popular because you could get several phones for under $100. I'm surprised 
that Apple hasn't introduced something like that. But these Apple products are 
built to last, so that
$249 SE could last as long as several of the Androids under $100.

On 1/22/2019 2:04 AM, Deidre Muccio wrote:
> Three or four years ago I was quoted a price of 700 not including tax foran 
> iPhone 6 from an Apple store. I bought one for 350 as a deal from my carrier. 
> And yes you can even buy a new one for $150 as long is two years ago and that 
> is an Apple iPhone from AARP. So no not all iPhones of cost as much as $1000 
> over the past years.
>
> Deidre
>
>
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you 
>> post such link bait.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
>>
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>>
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for 
>> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag 
>> of the latest Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly 
>> traded company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed 
>> about 35% from its November peak.
>>
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>> wealth in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at 
>> Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But 
>> there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
>> sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you 
>> could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even 
>> a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch 
>> one from Best Buy for $500.
>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average 
>> price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has 
>> hiked its smartphone prices by 500%!
>> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
>> But let me tell you this.
>> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
>> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
>> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today 
>> over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
>> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant 
>> player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable 
>> publicly traded company in history.
>> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end 
>> for most businesses.
>> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
>> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge 
>> prices that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
>> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
>> After all, what's the most you wo

RE: Can’t seem to lock my phone when on a call

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The question is why would you want to lock your phone when you are on a call?
If you hold your phone to your ear and try to lock it, do you remove it from 
your ear? If so that would explain why it goes to speaker, as soon as the 
proximity sensor near the earpiece senses it is not close to anything it 
switches to speakerphone. 
Anyways, it's perfectly OK to ignore your phone while you are on a call, 
chances are it may lock automatically after a while anyways.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 2:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can’t seem to lock my phone when on a call

Hello everyone,

My subject says it all. I can not seem to lock my phone, when on a call. I am 
using an iPhone XR, with the latest update.

Has anyone else experienced this issue?
If so, is there anything that can be done about it? I assume not. But I figured 
I would ask.
I can lock my phone when on a call, using my Bluetooth ear piece. But when on a 
call, holding the phone to my ear, it can’t be done. If I try to do this, my 
phone then goes to speaker.
Why could this be happening?

Thank you,

Terri

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Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Mary Otten]

With the release of iOS 12, this slow down issue was supposedly largely 
mitigated, at least to the point it could be. I would rather have a phone that 
I could use for several years, knowing that it would be up-to-date including 
security, and deal with a little bit of slow down, then have a phone that maybe 
gets one or possibly two updates at most. The trade-off simply isn’t worth it. 
And I don’t know about the phones not slowing down. My husband had an HTC phone 
for three years. At the time he purchased it, it was the flag ship. Not only 
did not get security update after year too, he said it became sluggish and 
weird stuff started happening. His words not mine. So he got another android 
phone this last fall, paying huge dollars for Samsung note 9. And I will bet 
you that in two years, that phone won’t be seeing updates, where as my iPhone 
will be. So nuts on android as far as I’m concerned until they improve their 
longevity.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Brett  wrote:
> 
> Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down over 
> time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest updates, 
> you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it. You can't 
> say that about apple.
> Cheers,
> Brett.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from
>> Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security
>> patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it
>> doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before
>> spreading false information.
>> https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote:
>>> Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to
>>> make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple
>>> builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of
>>> them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really
>>> isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years
>>> of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still
>>> in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time
>>> are probably on their way to a recycling center.
>>> 
 On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones
 since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299.
 "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look
 at what an iPhone 7 costs right now.
 If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC
 sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from
 their end as is Apple.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
 Of M. Taylor
 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
 
 The End Of Apple
 By Stephen McBride
 
 "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
 Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
 I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the
 first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for
 free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag
 of the latest Apple
 (AAPL) iPhone.
 He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
 "Who can afford that?" he asks.
 
 Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
 Apple has had an incredible decade.
 Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped
 tenfold.
 The stock has soared over 700%.
 And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly
 traded company.
 But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
 For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings
 forecast.
 The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
 This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed
 about 35% from its November peak.
   That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout
 of wealth in a single stock ever.
 And it's only the beginning.
 Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at
 Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
 Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
   By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But
 there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
 Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
 In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple
 sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
 Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, y

How to Get Rid of Prompt When Deleting Text & What Does Hide Alert Mean

[sherrywells1157]

Hi All,

I finally updated my IPhone 5s to the newest version of IOS.  Doing this
reinforced why I put it off as I had to go in & change a number of settings.
Used to be when I wanted to delete text messages, I would tap the one I
wanted to delete, swipe up for Delete then double tap to delete.  Now I get
a message asking me if I am sure I want to delete the text.  How can I get
rid of this prompt?

Secondly, now when I tap a text then swipe, I hear hide alert.  I was hoping
this would get rid of the are you sure prompt but it does not.  I thought
that maybe if I hide the alert, it would mean that I don't get notified if I
get another text from that person.  After double tapping to hide alert, when
I touch that person, I hear muted.  Yet I had someone text me, double tapped
on hide alert & had them text me again & I did get the ding saying I had
received a text.  So does anyone know what hide alert does?

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

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Can't Delete A Voice Mail

[sherrywells1157]

Hi All,

I recently updated my IPhone 5s to the latest version of IOS.  I had a voice
mail there when I did the update.  Now, I cannot delete that voice mail.  I
tap it, swipe to delete & double tap but nothing happens.  I have tried
getting Ciri to delete it.  She says you have no new voice mail but 1 saved
voice mail.  She will not delete it.  How can I get rid of this voice mail?

Thanks,
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Braille and picker items?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I am using new braille keyboard to control iPhone XS but when I come to a 
picker item, I do not know which dots to press in order to flick up or down. 
Can anyone help? 
Harry

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Re: Braille and picker items?

[Devin Prater]

Use your rotor next and previous for that, so press space with dot 3 or dot 6 
to navigate them.

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 10:45 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am using new braille keyboard to control iPhone XS but when I come to a 
> picker item, I do not know which dots to press in order to flick up or down. 
> Can anyone help? 
> Harry
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Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Marie N.]

I am sorry to dispute what you say but I have a friend who had until very 
recently used a Galaxy S5 which was so slow it was driving him crazy. When 
he got his hands on a newer Android he could hardly believe the difference 
in the speed.
I have owned IPhones for around eight years and as far as I can tell, all 
smart phones are faster now because of the improved processors and it makes 
the older phones seem even slower.I can believe that the older phones do 
lose some of their performance just like a computer but the newer, faster 
processors are a major factor in the newer phones.

Marie


-Original Message- 
From: Brett

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Gordon ; Christopher Chaltain
Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down
over time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest
updates, you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it.
You can't say that about apple.
Cheers,
Brett.




On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:



Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from
Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security
patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it
doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before
spreading false information.
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en



On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote:

Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to
make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple
builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of
them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really
isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years
of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still
in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time
are probably on their way to a recycling center.

On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones
since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299.
"The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look
at what an iPhone 7 costs right now.
If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC
sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from
their end as is Apple.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

The End Of Apple
By Stephen McBride

"Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the
first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for
free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag
of the latest Apple
(AAPL) iPhone.
He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
"Who can afford that?" he asks.

Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
Apple has had an incredible decade.
Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped
tenfold.
The stock has soared over 700%.
And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly
traded company.
But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings
forecast.
The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed
about 35% from its November peak.
  That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout
of wealth in a single stock ever.
And it's only the beginning.
Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at
Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
  By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But
there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple
sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you
could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
But technology always gets cheaper over time.
Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even
a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch
one from Best Buy for $500.
In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average
price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
Cell phone prices have come do

Re: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,

Trying closing phone in the app switcher and reopening it again and then try to 
delete the voicemail. This is kind of a bug I think.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 9:31 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I recently updated my IPhone 5s to the latest version of IOS.  I had a voice
> mail there when I did the update.  Now, I cannot delete that voice mail.  I
> tap it, swipe to delete & double tap but nothing happens.  I have tried
> getting Ciri to delete it.  She says you have no new voice mail but 1 saved
> voice mail.  She will not delete it.  How can I get rid of this voice mail?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sherry Wells
> 
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Re: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Sherry,

Try restarting your phone, and then try deleting the voicemail again. If it 
still won't delete, it's possible to call your voicemail manually; you might be 
able to delete it from there. Contact your carrier to find out what number to 
dial to check your voicemail manually.

Best,
Anna


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> I recently updated my IPhone 5s to the latest version of IOS.  I had a voice
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> tap it, swipe to delete & double tap but nothing happens.  I have tried
> getting Ciri to delete it.  She says you have no new voice mail but 1 saved
> voice mail.  She will not delete it.  How can I get rid of this voice mail?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sherry Wells
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Re: Braille and picker items?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Excellent! That worked in Voice Dream Writer to select navigation unit. 
Thanks, Devin!
Regards
Harry

> On 22 Jan 2019, at 16:47, Devin Prater  wrote:
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> Use your rotor next and previous for that, so press space with dot 3 or dot 6 
> to navigate them.
> 
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>> I am using new braille keyboard to control iPhone XS but when I come to a 
>> picker item, I do not know which dots to press in order to flick up or down. 
>> Can anyone help? 
>> Harry
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Re: How to Get Rid of Prompt When Deleting Text & What Does Hide Alert Mean

[Wayne Merritt]

>From what I understand, hide alerts mutes the conversations or
notification of text or iMessages. I have used this in a group text
situation where I don't want to get alerts for new messages in the
group. The messages will still come in but you are not alerted to
them, and if you look at the conversation history, you can access any
messages that you missed.

Hope that helps,
Wayne

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> Hi All,
>
> I finally updated my IPhone 5s to the newest version of IOS.  Doing this
> reinforced why I put it off as I had to go in & change a number of
> settings.
> Used to be when I wanted to delete text messages, I would tap the one I
> wanted to delete, swipe up for Delete then double tap to delete.  Now I get
> a message asking me if I am sure I want to delete the text.  How can I get
> rid of this prompt?
>
> Secondly, now when I tap a text then swipe, I hear hide alert.  I was
> hoping
> this would get rid of the are you sure prompt but it does not.  I thought
> that maybe if I hide the alert, it would mean that I don't get notified if
> I
> get another text from that person.  After double tapping to hide alert,
> when
> I touch that person, I hear muted.  Yet I had someone text me, double
> tapped
> on hide alert & had them text me again & I did get the ding saying I had
> received a text.  So does anyone know what hide alert does?
>
> Thanks,
> Sherry Wells
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Re: Can’t seem to lock my phone when on a call

[Wayne Merritt]

Personally, I make more calls using earbuds, so locking the phone when
I don't need the keypad really helps. If I am holding the phone to my
ear then I would not want to lock it.

Wayne

On 1/22/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> The question is why would you want to lock your phone when you are on a
> call?
> If you hold your phone to your ear and try to lock it, do you remove it from
> your ear? If so that would explain why it goes to speaker, as soon as the
> proximity sensor near the earpiece senses it is not close to anything it
> switches to speakerphone.
> Anyways, it's perfectly OK to ignore your phone while you are on a call,
> chances are it may lock automatically after a while anyways.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri
> Stimmel
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Can’t seem to lock my phone when on a call
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> My subject says it all. I can not seem to lock my phone, when on a call. I
> am using an iPhone XR, with the latest update.
>
> Has anyone else experienced this issue?
> If so, is there anything that can be done about it? I assume not. But I
> figured I would ask.
> I can lock my phone when on a call, using my Bluetooth ear piece. But when
> on a call, holding the phone to my ear, it can’t be done. If I try to do
> this, my phone then goes to speaker.
> Why could this be happening?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Terri
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RE: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

[Carolyn Arnold]

Yes, that has worked for me. In fact, in any ap, if I run into some kind of 
snag, I get out, close it, come back. Usually that is a solution. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

Hi,

Trying closing phone in the app switcher and reopening it again and then try to 
delete the voicemail. This is kind of a bug I think.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 9:31 AM,  
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> 
> I recently updated my IPhone 5s to the latest version of IOS.  I had a 
> voice mail there when I did the update.  Now, I cannot delete that 
> voice mail.  I tap it, swipe to delete & double tap but nothing 
> happens.  I have tried getting Ciri to delete it.  She says you have 
> no new voice mail but 1 saved voice mail.  She will not delete it.  How can I 
> get rid of this voice mail?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sherry Wells
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RE: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

[sherrywells1157]

I've tried getting out of the app & going back in, shutting off the phone & 
restarting & replaying the voice mail.  None of this has worked.  I had to call 
Apple help today for a more serious problem so I asked them about this voice 
mail.  He said this was generally a problem with the provider.  So I will take 
Anna's suggestion & call Verizon to find out what number to call to access 
voice mail.  Hopefully I can delete it via phone.

Sherry Wells

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

Yes, that has worked for me. In fact, in any ap, if I run into some kind of 
snag, I get out, close it, come back. Usually that is a solution. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

Hi,

Trying closing phone in the app switcher and reopening it again and then try to 
delete the voicemail. This is kind of a bug I think.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 9:31 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I recently updated my IPhone 5s to the latest version of IOS.  I had a 
> voice mail there when I did the update.  Now, I cannot delete that 
> voice mail.  I tap it, swipe to delete & double tap but nothing 
> happens.  I have tried getting Ciri to delete it.  She says you have 
> no new voice mail but 1 saved voice mail.  She will not delete it.  How can I 
> get rid of this voice mail?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sherry Wells
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Re: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

[Yolanda Thompson]

So, I just at this moment finished solving this for a student with
whom I was working.  The answer is:
1.  Go into settings, and turn airplane mode on
2.  Go into voice mails and delete the message that would not delete.

Now go turn airplance mode back to off, and it will remain gone.

On 1/22/19, sherrywells1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> I've tried getting out of the app & going back in, shutting off the phone &
> restarting & replaying the voice mail.  None of this has worked.  I had to
> call Apple help today for a more serious problem so I asked them about this
> voice mail.  He said this was generally a problem with the provider.  So I
> will take Anna's suggestion & call Verizon to find out what number to call
> to access voice mail.  Hopefully I can delete it via phone.
>
> Sherry Wells
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Can't Delete A Voice Mail
>
> Yes, that has worked for me. In fact, in any ap, if I run into some kind of
> snag, I get out, close it, come back. Usually that is a solution.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Jennie Facer
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Delete A Voice Mail
>
> Hi,
>
> Trying closing phone in the app switcher and reopening it again and then try
> to delete the voicemail. This is kind of a bug I think.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 9:31 AM, 
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>> I recently updated my IPhone 5s to the latest version of IOS.  I had a
>> voice mail there when I did the update.  Now, I cannot delete that
>> voice mail.  I tap it, swipe to delete & double tap but nothing
>> happens.  I have tried getting Ciri to delete it.  She says you have
>> no new voice mail but 1 saved voice mail.  She will not delete it.  How
>> can I get rid of this voice mail?
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IOS 12.1.3 is available

[Gordon]

It's ready for those who want to go get it. It's 295 MB for the iPhone 8.

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Rotor and links

[jennifer]

Hi all

If I receive a text message that contains a link I am unable to tap on it. I
use to be able to do this no issues by selecting links via the rotor. I
ensured that links is turned on in roter settings, but still no go. What am
I missing.

 

Jennifer 

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Re: Rotor and links

[Devin Prater]

Does the link in the message say “link” before or after it? If so, you should 
be able to move to the “links” rotor option and flick down. If not, you can 
move the rotor to “actions”, flick down to “copy,” and double tap. This will 
copy the whole message, but the link will be in there. Then, you can paste the 
message into Notes, and edit out everything except the link, select all and 
copy the link that way.

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 12:43 PM, jennifer  wrote:
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> Hi all
> If I receive a text message that contains a link I am unable to tap on it. I 
> use to be able to do this no issues by selecting links via the rotor. I 
> ensured that links is turned on in roter settings, but still no go. What am I 
> missing.
>  
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RE: Rotor and links

[jennifer]

Ah that’s what it is.

Will try the copy method as in this particular message it did not say “link” 
after the link.

Thanks

 

Jennifer Parry

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 6:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rotor and links

 

Does the link in the message say “link” before or after it? If so, you should 
be able to move to the “links” rotor option and flick down. If not, you can 
move the rotor to “actions”, flick down to “copy,” and double tap. This will 
copy the whole message, but the link will be in there. Then, you can paste the 
message into Notes, and edit out everything except the link, select all and 
copy the link that way.





On Jan 22, 2019, at 12:43 PM, jennifer mailto:jennifer136...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi all

If I receive a text message that contains a link I am unable to tap on it. I 
use to be able to do this no issues by selecting links via the rotor. I ensured 
that links is turned on in roter settings, but still no go. What am I missing.

 

Jennifer 

 

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RE: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

[sherrywells1157]

Fantastic!  This worked.  Thanks so much.  I never would have thought of trying 
this.

Sherry Wells

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Yolanda 
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Subject: Re: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

So, I just at this moment finished solving this for a student with whom I was 
working.  The answer is:
1.  Go into settings, and turn airplane mode on 2.  Go into voice mails and 
delete the message that would not delete.

Now go turn airplance mode back to off, and it will remain gone.

On 1/22/19, sherrywells1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> I've tried getting out of the app & going back in, shutting off the 
> phone & restarting & replaying the voice mail.  None of this has 
> worked.  I had to call Apple help today for a more serious problem so 
> I asked them about this voice mail.  He said this was generally a 
> problem with the provider.  So I will take Anna's suggestion & call 
> Verizon to find out what number to call to access voice mail.  Hopefully I 
> can delete it via phone.
>
> Sherry Wells
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Can't Delete A Voice Mail
>
> Yes, that has worked for me. In fact, in any ap, if I run into some 
> kind of snag, I get out, close it, come back. Usually that is a solution.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jennie Facer
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Delete A Voice Mail
>
> Hi,
>
> Trying closing phone in the app switcher and reopening it again and 
> then try to delete the voicemail. This is kind of a bug I think.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 9:31 AM,  
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>> I recently updated my IPhone 5s to the latest version of IOS.  I had 
>> a voice mail there when I did the update.  Now, I cannot delete that 
>> voice mail.  I tap it, swipe to delete & double tap but nothing 
>> happens.  I have tried getting Ciri to delete it.  She says you have 
>> no new voice mail but 1 saved voice mail.  She will not delete it.  
>> How can I get rid of this voice mail?
>>
>> Thanks,
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Re: Battery usage.

[Keith Bierman]

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 6:49 PM Harshit Jaithwar 
wrote:

> Hi, thanks for the help I will try and get back to you with the results
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 21-Jan-2019, at 03:34, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> >
> > Well, only suggestion I have would be to recalibrate your battery as
> follows:
> >
>

While this does recalibrate the battery "state of charge" computation, it
really isn't very good for the battery.
Under settings->battery->battery health you can see if the phone has
detected an issue (my 1+ old iPhoneX only has 95% now).  Recalibration
won't make the battery healthier.

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Re: IOS 12.1.3 is available

['wui chin Leong' via VIPhone]

I just updated to it.I have not noticed any new changes to it
adrian Leong
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Re: IOS 12.1.3 is available

[Gordon]

I'm not sure what was added if anything, but I do know it was in beta 
for a long time and there were longer times between updates.


On 1/22/2019 1:14 PM, 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone wrote:

I just updated to it.I have not noticed any new changes to it
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RE: IOS 12.1.3 is available

[David Whitehead]

 

  for the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch. The update doesn’t contain any 
new features, but it does fix a few frustrating

bugs that you might have experienced lately. 

 

For me, the most noticeable among them has been “an issue in Messages that 
could impact scrolling through photos in the Details view.” See, if you tap

on a contact’s name in a Messages conversation and then choose “info,” you’ll 
be taken to the Details page. The bottom half of this screen shows you any

photos or videos you’ve exchanged with that person, which is a convenient way 
of finding a certain image or just scrolling back though memories. 

 

But in iOS 12.1.2, scrolling down beyond the first few images would result in a 
glitchy mess with useless, blank file previews. It looked like this:  



 

Apple says iOS 12.1.3 should fix this issue and show content properly as you 
scroll down your shared media history. There’s a second photo-related bug

fix as well: the new update “addresses an issue where photos could have striped 
artifacts after being sent from the Share Sheet.”

 

If you’ve got a new iPhone — the XR, XS, or XS Max — and have found that it can 
unexpectedly disconnect from CarPlay when in your vehicle, iOS 12.1.3 should

get things working as expected again. And last, the update contains a fix for 
2018 iPad Pro devices. Some users have reported hearing audio distortion

with plugged in external audio input devices. That distortion should now be 
gone. 

 

iOS 12.1.3 also includes HomePod bug fixes. If you own Apple’s smart speaker, 
you shouldn’t need to worry about random restarts or Siri going unresponsive

when you’re trying to give a voice command. 

 

Apple said it would put a large focus on performance and stability with iOS 12, 
and though some bugs have still crept up, the release has certainly been

a success in that regard. Apps open quicker on aging iOS devices and things 
just feel speedier all around. More significant new features likely await users

in iOS 13, which should be announced this coming June.  

 

 

   The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a 
dream.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 12.1.3 is available

 

I'm not sure what was added if anything, but I do know it was in beta for a 
long time and there were longer times between updates. 

On 1/22/2019 1:14 PM, 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone wrote:

I just updated to it.I have not noticed any new changes to it

adrian Leong

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It's ready for those who want to go get it. It's 295 MB for the iPhone 8.

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Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Agent086b]

After all  Forbes always bag Apple.
Max.

> On 22 Jan 2019, at 5:53 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post 
> such link bait. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
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> Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
> from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
> in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
> for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
> smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you this.
> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
> company in history.
> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
> most businesses.
> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
> $1,500?
> $2,000?
> 
> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
> iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
> Let that sink in.
> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
> is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
> And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone
> sales.
> Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those
> segments are also stagnant.
> Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere.
> Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices?
> I ran the numbers.
> If Apple cut prices back to 2016 levels, it would have to sell 41 million
> additional phones just to match 2018's revenue.
> 
> Will Apple Meet Nokia's Fate?
> Before Apple, Nokia (NOK) was king of cell phones.
> In 2007 the front-cover headline of a major business magazine read:
> "Nokia: One billion customers-can anyone catch the cell ph

setting a different alarm sound in the native clock

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi all.  For some reason unknown to me, my IPhone alarm clock sound reverted
back to the default setting.  I want to change it back to a song I have in
my music library.  I know it can be done and that it wasn’t real intuitive
But I can’t seem to find where to change the alarm sound. Any help would be
appreciated since I don’t particularly like the default sound and can’t hear
it well either.  Thanks in advance. 

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

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Re: IOS 12.1.3 is available

[Gerardo Corripio]

So far, so good! Just updated a few minutes ago as well.

Gera
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El 22 ene 2019, a la(s) 1:14 p. m., 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone 
 escribió:

> I just updated to it.I have not noticed any new changes to it
> adrian Leong
> adrianleon...@icloud.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Gordon  wrote:
>> 
>> It's ready for those who want to go get it. It's 295 MB for the iPhone 8.
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RE: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

[Carolyn Arnold]

That is really good to know, and I never in this wide world have thought of 
trying that. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Subject: RE: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

Fantastic!  This worked.  Thanks so much.  I never would have thought of trying 
this.

Sherry Wells

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Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:27 PM
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Subject: Re: Can't Delete A Voice Mail

So, I just at this moment finished solving this for a student with whom I was 
working.  The answer is:
1.  Go into settings, and turn airplane mode on 2.  Go into voice mails and 
delete the message that would not delete.

Now go turn airplance mode back to off, and it will remain gone.

On 1/22/19, sherrywells1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> I've tried getting out of the app & going back in, shutting off the 
> phone & restarting & replaying the voice mail.  None of this has 
> worked.  I had to call Apple help today for a more serious problem so 
> I asked them about this voice mail.  He said this was generally a 
> problem with the provider.  So I will take Anna's suggestion & call 
> Verizon to find out what number to call to access voice mail.  Hopefully I 
> can delete it via phone.
>
> Sherry Wells
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Can't Delete A Voice Mail
>
> Yes, that has worked for me. In fact, in any ap, if I run into some 
> kind of snag, I get out, close it, come back. Usually that is a solution.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jennie Facer
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Delete A Voice Mail
>
> Hi,
>
> Trying closing phone in the app switcher and reopening it again and 
> then try to delete the voicemail. This is kind of a bug I think.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 9:31 AM,  
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I recently updated my IPhone 5s to the latest version of IOS.  I had 
>> a voice mail there when I did the update.  Now, I cannot delete that 
>> voice mail.  I tap it, swipe to delete & double tap but nothing 
>> happens.  I have tried getting Ciri to delete it.  She says you have 
>> no new voice mail but 1 saved voice mail.  She will not delete it.
>> How can I get rid of this voice mail?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sherry Wells
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Re: Help from Amazon Fwd: Your Amazon.com Inquiry

[englishrider91]

Ah, yes. I couldn't figure out what issue the original poster was talking 
about, but I've noticed that, too. Also scrolling by heading is problematic. 
It's irratic when scrolling down by heading. It consistantly skips the 
description, at least. It's not always consistant where it goes, but scrolling 
back up then down by heading works. It's temporary, though; you'll have to do 
the workaround on each page you visit in the app. This also happens when you 
accidentally scroll past the FAQ heading. If you try to scroll back up to that 
heading, focus jumps up to a random heading.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jan 9, 2019, at 12:56 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am hoping Amazon is on the problem with the app. I just spent about an hour 
> on the phone with 3 different people. The last person sent a form up 
> hopefully to app developer with the problem. In the meantime the workaround 
> is to turn voice over off when focused on the use this address button and 
> touch the screen. It then goes through so it is Amazon's app working with VO 
> that is the problem. It would be interesting to know if same is true for 
> Droid users, at least to me. LOL. Anyway that is our workaround for now. Hope 
> that helps anyone who wants to use the amazon app. 
> On Jan 8, 2019, at 6:22 PM, Sherrie Gosling  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Sherrie's iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "Sherrie. Gosling" 
>> Date: January 8, 2019 at 6:11:21 PM EST
>> To: nanagoose4...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Fwd: Your Amazon.com Inquiry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Sherrie's iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: "Amazon.com" 
>>> Date: January 6, 2019 at 9:15:51 PM EST
>>> To: sillygoose4...@gmail.com
>>> Subject: Your Amazon.com Inquiry
>>> Reply-To: amazon-csc+awqlxdlnak...@amazon.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Your AccountAmazon.com
>>> Message From Customer Service
>>> Hello Sharon,
>>> 
>>> I understand the trouble you're facing with Amazon app.
>>> 
>>> I checked details and found that complexity of this issue requires real 
>>> time assistance.
>>> 
>>> Hence, to get this issue resolved, we need you to please contact us via 
>>> live support i.e. phone or chat so that we can provide the customer service 
>>> needed for this situation. This will ensure that we can resolve your issue 
>>> accurately, and quickly!!!
>>> 
>>> We're available 24 hours a day, seven days a week at : 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/contact-us/general-questions.html
>>> 
>>> Contacting us through the website allows you to verify security before a 
>>> call is placed and ensures we have your account information ready when we 
>>> call you.
>>> 
>>> If you can't access this page, our customer service phone numbers are as 
>>> follows :
>>> 
>>> - Calling from within the U.S. or Canada: 1-866-216-1072
>>> - International: 1-206-266-2992
>>> 
>>> Rest be assured, as soon as you'll contact us via live support, we'll go 
>>> ahead and assist you further accordingly on priority basis.
>>> 
>>> We look forward to seeing you again soon.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Anish Katyal
>>> Amazon.com
>>> I called Amazon disability line and told them about the problem with the 
>>> app. This was their reply and it might help others. Evidentally they will 
>>> give individual help. I had to forward the email since I could not figure 
>>> out how to copy the whole thing on my iPhone. I did not call them because 
>>> clearing the browsing history work for me. 
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Re: Table Index.

[englishrider91]

Gld you got things working again. I don't use the table index, so I actually 
forgot it was there. I just use the letter headings to move through my 
contacts. It works well for me, but I'll have to give the table index a shot.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jan 16, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I did that too. 
> 
> Finally, I went in again, tried rotor again, some way found Done. I double 
> tapped. The only thing I can think of is that I was editing a phone number 
> right before supper, got interrupted, thought I hit Done after the edit. I 
> checked back, and the edited number is there, so that's a good thing. I am 
> thinking that I must have thought I pressed Done and actually did not with a 
> lot of distractions. For one thing, my husband wanted to do the edit, but for 
> some reason, couldn't manage it, but I did. It is a third number - home, 
> work, and iPhone. So, thanks for suggestion. I am a big one on closing aps, 
> and especially if something seems out of sync. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anna Dresner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 6:38 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Table Index.
> 
> Hi Carol,
> 
> Try removing Contact from the App Switcher and restarting it. If that doesn't 
> help, restart your phone.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 5:07 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Somehow, my Table Index is not working, not navigable. I have tried to 
>> rotor; I have tried to just double tap when I got on it. I can't make 
>> it work and am very dependent on it with over 150 contacts, which 
>> might not be many to some, but nevertheless, works way better with 
>> Table Index.
>> 
>> Thanks for any ideas. 
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Re: setting a different alarm sound in the native clock

[Keith Bierman]

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 1:45 PM Paul and Paula Jordan 
wrote:

> Hi all.  For some reason unknown to me, my IPhone alarm clock sound
> reverted back to the default setting.  I want to change it back to a song I
> have in my music library.  I know it can be done and that it wasn’t real
> intuitive  But I can’t seem to find where to change the alarm sound. Any
> help would be appreciated since I don’t particularly like the default sound
> and can’t hear it well either.  Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Visual mode:
alarm app->edit alarm->sound

This should bring up a fairly "busy" page,

STORE:  (this is all ringtones and alerts)
   Tone Store
   Download all Purchased Tones
SONGS
may be populated  with what you seek
pick a song->itunes  normal search
RINGTONES
...

Unfortunately when in VoiceOver I only see
   SOUND
ringtones menu

But if I 3 finger scroll up, I find the same layout as "visual" mode ...
but it seems to default to pretty far down (perhaps an artifact of
something else in my configuration).

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Re: Rotor and links

[Anthony Vece]

If there is no link in the text message the link setting will not show up in 
the rotor

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:43 PM, jennifer  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> If I receive a text message that contains a link I am unable to tap on it. I 
> use to be able to do this no issues by selecting links via the rotor. I 
> ensured that links is turned on in roter settings, but still no go. What am I 
> missing.
>  
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Fwd: iOS 12.1.3 change log

[Richard Turner]

Link to the web site is at the end:

iOS 12.1.3 Release Notes, Changelog And Other Changes You Need To Know About
By
Paul Morris
| January 22nd, 2019

If you happen to be the proud owner of iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch and that 
device is compatible with the latest firmware, then you will likely already
be well aware that Apple has pushed iOS 12.1.3 final out into the public 
domain. That isn’t going to be news to you but the verbose overview of what’s
new, what’s improved, and what Apple has deemed fit to include with iOS 12.1.3 
may be.

The release of iOS 12.1.3 shouldn’t really come as a surprise to anyone. After 
the issues that the company had with iOS 12.1.2, this release has been in
testing for a while both with Apple internal employees as well as external 
developers and registered testers.

Now, after that period of testing, Apple is happy with the performance of the 
software across all compatible devices and feels that it’s in a position
for public consumption. But, just what exactly is the public going to be 
consuming?

The content contained within this release was originally destined to be part of 
the original iOS 12.1.1 and 12.1.2 releases but got pushed back to this
release due to the increased importance of satisfying demands made by a Chinese 
court over the alleged infringement of Qualcomm Inc. patents. However,
as the naming convention suggests, and as confirmed by investigation into this 
release, there is very little happening from a user-facing and user interaction
perspective. This is very much a point release full of under-the-hood 
improvements, bug fixes, and internal patches designed to streamline the 
experience.
You can read Apple’s comments below:

This update:

– Fixes an issue in Messages that could impact scrolling through photos in the 
Details view
– Addresses an issue where photos could have striped artifacts after being sent 
from the Share Sheet
– Fixes an issue that may cause audio distortion when using external audio 
input devices on iPad Pro (2018)
– Resolves an issue that could cause certain CarPlay systems to disconnect from 
iPhone XR, iPhone XS, and iPhone XS Max

This release also includes bug fixes for HomePod. This update:

– Fixes an issue that could cause HomePod to restart
– Addresses an issue that could cause Siri to stop listening
From: 
https://www.redmondpie.com/ios-12.1.3-release-notes-changelog-and-other-changes-you-need-to-know-about/




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RE: setting a different alarm sound in the native clock

[Sherrie Gosling]

The same thing happened to me. Open the clock app. Choose Add at the top.
Set up a new alarm timethat is not already included in your list. Choose sound 
and then you can go through your songs or ring tones you have on the phone and 
choose the one you want. Choose save.
When you set future alarms, even with Siri it will default to your last chosen 
song or ring tone.
I think it may have defaulted away from my chosen ring tone because of the last 
update I installed.  I did not notice since I usually use many of the same 
alarm times and they were already set to my preferred sound.

Sherrie Gosling


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Keith Bierman
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: setting a different alarm sound in the native clock


On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 1:45 PM Paul and Paula Jordan  
wrote:
Hi all.  For some reason unknown to me, my IPhone alarm clock sound reverted 
back to the default setting.  I want to change it back to a song I have in my 
music library.  I know it can be done and that it wasn’t real intuitive  But I 
can’t seem to find where to change the alarm sound. Any help would be 
appreciated since I don’t particularly like the default sound and can’t hear it 
well either.  Thanks in advance. 

Visual mode:
alarm app->edit alarm->sound

This should bring up a fairly "busy" page, 

STORE:  (this is all ringtones and alerts)
   Tone Store
   Download all Purchased Tones  
SONGS
    may be populated  with what you seek
    pick a song->itunes  normal search
RINGTONES
...

Unfortunately when in VoiceOver I only see 
   SOUND
ringtones menu

But if I 3 finger scroll up, I find the same layout as "visual" mode ... but it 
seems to default to pretty far down (perhaps an artifact of something else in 
my configuration).


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RE: setting a different alarm sound in the native clock

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi Keith.  I don’t know where to find visual mode.  I see an edit prompt in the 
clock app itself but all that seems to do is let me add an alarm.  I can’t find 
anything that says edit sounds.  Probably I’m not looking in the right place. I 
have checked in the regular settings menu and don’t find any way to set the 
alarm sound there either.  More detail would be helpful.  Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith Bierman
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: setting a different alarm sound in the native clock

 

 

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 1:45 PM Paul and Paula Jordan  
wrote:

Hi all.  For some reason unknown to me, my IPhone alarm clock sound reverted 
back to the default setting.  I want to change it back to a song I have in my 
music library.  I know it can be done and that it wasn’t real intuitive  But I 
can’t seem to find where to change the alarm sound. Any help would be 
appreciated since I don’t particularly like the default sound and can’t hear it 
well either.  Thanks in advance. 

 

Visual mode:

alarm app->edit alarm->sound

 

This should bring up a fairly "busy" page, 

 

STORE:  (this is all ringtones and alerts)

   Tone Store

   Download all Purchased Tones  

SONGS

may be populated  with what you seek

pick a song->itunes  normal search

RINGTONES

...

 

Unfortunately when in VoiceOver I only see 

   SOUND

ringtones menu

 

But if I 3 finger scroll up, I find the same layout as "visual" mode ... but it 
seems to default to pretty far down (perhaps an artifact of something else in 
my configuration).

 

 

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RE: setting a different alarm sound in the native clock

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Excellent.  I’ll save these instructions.

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sherrie Gosling
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: setting a different alarm sound in the native clock

 

The same thing happened to me. Open the clock app. Choose Add at the top.

Set up a new alarm timethat is not already included in your list. Choose sound 
and then you can go through your songs or ring tones you have on the phone and 
choose the one you want. Choose save.

When you set future alarms, even with Siri it will default to your last chosen 
song or ring tone.

I think it may have defaulted away from my chosen ring tone because of the last 
update I installed.  I did not notice since I usually use many of the same 
alarm times and they were already set to my preferred sound.

 

Sherrie Gosling

 

 

Sent from Mail   for Windows 10

 

From: Keith Bierman  
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: setting a different alarm sound in the native clock

 

 

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 1:45 PM Paul and Paula Jordan  
wrote:

Hi all.  For some reason unknown to me, my IPhone alarm clock sound reverted 
back to the default setting.  I want to change it back to a song I have in my 
music library.  I know it can be done and that it wasn’t real intuitive  But I 
can’t seem to find where to change the alarm sound. Any help would be 
appreciated since I don’t particularly like the default sound and can’t hear it 
well either.  Thanks in advance. 

 

Visual mode:

alarm app->edit alarm->sound

 

This should bring up a fairly "busy" page, 

 

STORE:  (this is all ringtones and alerts)

   Tone Store

   Download all Purchased Tones  

SONGS

may be populated  with what you seek

pick a song->itunes  normal search

RINGTONES

...

 

Unfortunately when in VoiceOver I only see 

   SOUND

ringtones menu

 

But if I 3 finger scroll up, I find the same layout as "visual" mode ... but it 
seems to default to pretty far down (perhaps an artifact of something else in 
my configuration).

 

 

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Re: Table Index.

[Tom Lange]

Glad you got it working. I have a couple hundred contacts and use the table 
index regularly. The table index is also very important to me when working with 
my music library; I probably have close to 4,000 albums in the library. so the 
table index is critical when I navigate by artist.  Speaking of which, it 
annoys me to no end that Apple puts the table index at the bottom of the screen 
next to the player window rather than at the top. 
since someone mentioned rebooting the phone, can someone tell me how to do a 
soft reset on my iPhone 8? Thanks in advance. 
Cheers,
Tom

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:30 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Gld you got things working again. I don't use the table index, so I actually 
> forgot it was there. I just use the letter headings to move through my 
> contacts. It works well for me, but I'll have to give the table index a shot.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I did that too. 
>> 
>> Finally, I went in again, tried rotor again, some way found Done. I double 
>> tapped. The only thing I can think of is that I was editing a phone number 
>> right before supper, got interrupted, thought I hit Done after the edit. I 
>> checked back, and the edited number is there, so that's a good thing. I am 
>> thinking that I must have thought I pressed Done and actually did not with a 
>> lot of distractions. For one thing, my husband wanted to do the edit, but 
>> for some reason, couldn't manage it, but I did. It is a third number - home, 
>> work, and iPhone. So, thanks for suggestion. I am a big one on closing aps, 
>> and especially if something seems out of sync. 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Carolyn 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Anna Dresner
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 6:38 PM
>> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>> Subject: Re: Table Index.
>> 
>> Hi Carol,
>> 
>> Try removing Contact from the App Switcher and restarting it. If that 
>> doesn't help, restart your phone.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 5:07 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Somehow, my Table Index is not working, not navigable. I have tried to 
>>> rotor; I have tried to just double tap when I got on it. I can't make 
>>> it work and am very dependent on it with over 150 contacts, which 
>>> might not be many to some, but nevertheless, works way better with 
>>> Table Index.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any ideas. 
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RE: Table Index.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Goodness, but I couldn't say how many times in a day I use Table Index - use it 
for most outgoing calls. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
englishride...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Table Index.

Gld you got things working again. I don't use the table index, so I actually 
forgot it was there. I just use the letter headings to move through my 
contacts. It works well for me, but I'll have to give the table index a shot.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jan 16, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I did that too. 
> 
> Finally, I went in again, tried rotor again, some way found Done. I double 
> tapped. The only thing I can think of is that I was editing a phone number 
> right before supper, got interrupted, thought I hit Done after the edit. I 
> checked back, and the edited number is there, so that's a good thing. I am 
> thinking that I must have thought I pressed Done and actually did not with a 
> lot of distractions. For one thing, my husband wanted to do the edit, but for 
> some reason, couldn't manage it, but I did. It is a third number - home, 
> work, and iPhone. So, thanks for suggestion. I am a big one on closing aps, 
> and especially if something seems out of sync. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Anna Dresner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 6:38 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Table Index.
> 
> Hi Carol,
> 
> Try removing Contact from the App Switcher and restarting it. If that doesn't 
> help, restart your phone.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 5:07 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Somehow, my Table Index is not working, not navigable. I have tried 
>> to rotor; I have tried to just double tap when I got on it. I can't 
>> make it work and am very dependent on it with over 150 contacts, 
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Re: Battery usage.

[Harshit Jaithwar]

Hi Sieghard, so from the last two nights I completely drain the battery to 0% 
and put on The charging in the night and in the morning when I see it’s still 
showing hundred percent charging  
Year it is worth mentioning that from the last two nights I put it on charging 
around eight hours that is by switching it off.  Any more suggestions?


Sent from my iPhone

> On 21-Jan-2019, at 07:18, Harshit Jaithwar  wrote:
> 
> Hi, thanks for the help I will try and get back to you with the results
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 21-Jan-2019, at 03:34, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, only suggestion I have would be to recalibrate your battery as follows:
>> 
>> 1. Let the battery run down completely, e.g. use the phone until the phone 
>> shuts down when the battery hits 0%. Don't charge it when it's still at 5% 
>> or even 1%, let it die.
>> 2. Plug in the phone and let it charge all the way. Ideally do this 
>> overnight and it is even better if after the phone powers up (it will do 
>> this when you plug in the cable) if you power it off again so it charges 
>> with the phone turned off.
>> 3. Unplug it from power in the morning and use it again until the battery 
>> dies and the phone shuts off.
>> 4. Repeat step 2 and again charge it overnight with the phone turned off.
>> 
>> After that see if when you charge it up to 100% and leave it connected if it 
>> will then say 100% on AC Power.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Harshit Jaithwar
>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 11:07 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Battery usage.
>> 
>> Hi, my iphone x battery health shows me around 96% and use only wall mount 
>> charger game with the phone and I’m facing this issue since 2017
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 20-Jan-2019, at 12:25, Harshit Jaithwar  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I use iPhone ex and charge with wall mount charger came with Apple
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 17-Jan-2019, at 22:14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 Which phone is this and do you charge on a wall adapter or plugged in to 
 the USB port of a computer?
 What shape is your battery in, e.g. have you looked at your battery health?
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Harshit Jaithwar
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 1:26 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Battery usage.
 
 Hi Sieghard,
 This hundred percent on AC power not works in my iPhone X Even if you left 
 it charging all day long it will still shows hundred percent charging and 
 not on AC power I really don’t know what causes this issue Any suggestion?
 Regards,
 Harshit Jaithwar
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 16-Jan-2019, at 00:29, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> That is a relief to know, Sieghard. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Battery usage.
> 
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with letting your phone battery run 
> down more to 20% or even less and there definitely is also nothing wrong 
> with  charging your phone to 100%. These new and advanced batteries have 
> many safeguards built in and you simply cannot overcharge them, if you 
> plugged your phone in at night and charged it all night the charging 
> would simply turn off when the battery is completely full. If you do this 
> and check in the morning you will see that it would say "100% on AC 
> power". When it first reaches 100% it will say "100% charging" which 
> means it is still topping up the last little bit, but when it says "on AC 
> power" it means the battery is full, charging has turned off and the 
> phone is now on power with a full battery.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Battery usage.
> 
> I charge my phone most days. I do check the battery down and charge whtn 
> 50 to 60, don't usually let go all the way to 100. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Marie N.
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 5:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Battery usage.
> 
> I leave location services on all the time and it does not drain my 
> battery. 
> Having that on and having a GPS app on are two different things

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you get a flagship Android phone you'll get two to three major OS 
updates and not one to two as you state. If you get a cheaper budget 
phone then you may get fewer updates. You'd also get fewer then four to 
five updates if you get an older iPhone for less money.



Obviously if you plan to hold on to your phone for four or five years, 
and major OS updates are important to you, then you'll definitely want 
to consider the newest iPhone. There are quite a few people though who 
update their phones more frequently then that, so two or three major OS 
upgrades are plenty. I'm not saying Android phones shouldn't have a 
longer shelf life, but this feature isn't critical for everyone.



I agree this article is using a mellow dramatic title to get some 
clicks, and not all of it's facts are spot on, but it is pointing out a 
real issue that I'm sure Apple executives are working hard to address. 
Someone compared this to the situation with Microsoft from a few years 
ago, but just as Microsoft had to remake themselves as a company and 
move their revenue away from a desktop operating system, Apple needs to 
make a similar transformation and generate revenue from sources other 
then smart phone hardware sales.



On 1/22/19 9:59 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

With the release of iOS 12, this slow down issue was supposedly largely 
mitigated, at least to the point it could be. I would rather have a phone that 
I could use for several years, knowing that it would be up-to-date including 
security, and deal with a little bit of slow down, then have a phone that maybe 
gets one or possibly two updates at most. The trade-off simply isn’t worth it. 
And I don’t know about the phones not slowing down. My husband had an HTC phone 
for three years. At the time he purchased it, it was the flag ship. Not only 
did not get security update after year too, he said it became sluggish and 
weird stuff started happening. His words not mine. So he got another android 
phone this last fall, paying huge dollars for Samsung note 9. And I will bet 
you that in two years, that phone won’t be seeing updates, where as my iPhone 
will be. So nuts on android as far as I’m concerned until they improve their 
longevity.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Brett  wrote:

Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down over 
time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest updates, 
you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it. You can't say 
that about apple.
Cheers,
Brett.





On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from
Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security
patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it
doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before
spreading false information.
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en




On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote:
Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to
make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple
builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of
them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really
isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years
of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still
in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time
are probably on their way to a recycling center.


On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones
since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299.
"The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look
at what an iPhone 7 costs right now.
If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC
sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from
their end as is Apple.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

The End Of Apple
By Stephen McBride

"Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the
first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for
free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag
of the latest Apple
(AAPL) iPhone.
He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
"Who can afford that?" he asks.

Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
Apple has had an incredible decade.
Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped
tenfold.
The stock has soared over 700%.
And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly
traded company.
But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
For the first 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[James English]

Hello,

My iPhone 6s, which I got in 2015 for a farely cheap contract price,
has lasted me faithfully for 3 and a half years now. They said it
wasn't a referb model, but I don't know, the first message on it is
'welcome to Macedonia,' where I've never been though.

My Dad has had to change his Samsung galaxy 3 times in that period due
to it giving out on him.


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On 1/23/19, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> If you get a flagship Android phone you'll get two to three major OS
> updates and not one to two as you state. If you get a cheaper budget
> phone then you may get fewer updates. You'd also get fewer then four to
> five updates if you get an older iPhone for less money.
>
>
> Obviously if you plan to hold on to your phone for four or five years,
> and major OS updates are important to you, then you'll definitely want
> to consider the newest iPhone. There are quite a few people though who
> update their phones more frequently then that, so two or three major OS
> upgrades are plenty. I'm not saying Android phones shouldn't have a
> longer shelf life, but this feature isn't critical for everyone.
>
>
> I agree this article is using a mellow dramatic title to get some
> clicks, and not all of it's facts are spot on, but it is pointing out a
> real issue that I'm sure Apple executives are working hard to address.
> Someone compared this to the situation with Microsoft from a few years
> ago, but just as Microsoft had to remake themselves as a company and
> move their revenue away from a desktop operating system, Apple needs to
> make a similar transformation and generate revenue from sources other
> then smart phone hardware sales.
>
>
> On 1/22/19 9:59 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> With the release of iOS 12, this slow down issue was supposedly largely
>> mitigated, at least to the point it could be. I would rather have a phone
>> that I could use for several years, knowing that it would be up-to-date
>> including security, and deal with a little bit of slow down, then have a
>> phone that maybe gets one or possibly two updates at most. The trade-off
>> simply isn’t worth it. And I don’t know about the phones not slowing down.
>> My husband had an HTC phone for three years. At the time he purchased it,
>> it was the flag ship. Not only did not get security update after year too,
>> he said it became sluggish and weird stuff started happening. His words
>> not mine. So he got another android phone this last fall, paying huge
>> dollars for Samsung note 9. And I will bet you that in two years, that
>> phone won’t be seeing updates, where as my iPhone will be. So nuts on
>> android as far as I’m concerned until they improve their longevity.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Brett  wrote:
>>>
>>> Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down
>>> over time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest
>>> updates, you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it.
>>> You can't say that about apple.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Brett.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain 
 wrote:

 Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from
 Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security
 patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it
 doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before
 spreading false information.
 https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en



> On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote:
> Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to
> make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple
> builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of
> them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really
> isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years
> of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still
> in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time
> are probably on their way to a recycling center.
>
>> On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones
>> since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299.
>> "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look
>> at 

RE: Battery usage.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, not really, not sure why it continues to say "charging" all iPhones I 
have had which were iPhone 4, 4S, 5S, 6S Plus and now iPhone 8 go to "on AC 
power" after they are plugged in for a while.
However, I don't think it's a big deal and if it happened to my iPhone I 
probably wouldn't loose to much sleep over it.
I guess you could do a complete reset and set up as a new device and see if 
that helps, but that seems an awful lot of trouble to go through for such a 
minor issue which doesn't really affect performance.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Harshit 
Jaithwar
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery usage.

Hi Sieghard, so from the last two nights I completely drain the battery to 0% 
and put on The charging in the night and in the morning when I see it’s still 
showing hundred percent charging Year it is worth mentioning that from the last 
two nights I put it on charging around eight hours that is by switching it off. 
 Any more suggestions?


Sent from my iPhone

> On 21-Jan-2019, at 07:18, Harshit Jaithwar  wrote:
> 
> Hi, thanks for the help I will try and get back to you with the 
> results
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 21-Jan-2019, at 03:34, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, only suggestion I have would be to recalibrate your battery as follows:
>> 
>> 1. Let the battery run down completely, e.g. use the phone until the phone 
>> shuts down when the battery hits 0%. Don't charge it when it's still at 5% 
>> or even 1%, let it die.
>> 2. Plug in the phone and let it charge all the way. Ideally do this 
>> overnight and it is even better if after the phone powers up (it will do 
>> this when you plug in the cable) if you power it off again so it charges 
>> with the phone turned off.
>> 3. Unplug it from power in the morning and use it again until the battery 
>> dies and the phone shuts off.
>> 4. Repeat step 2 and again charge it overnight with the phone turned off.
>> 
>> After that see if when you charge it up to 100% and leave it connected if it 
>> will then say 100% on AC Power.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Harshit Jaithwar
>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 11:07 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Battery usage.
>> 
>> Hi, my iphone x battery health shows me around 96% and use only wall 
>> mount charger game with the phone and I’m facing this issue since 
>> 2017
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 20-Jan-2019, at 12:25, Harshit Jaithwar  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I use iPhone ex and charge with wall mount charger came with 
>>> Apple
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 17-Jan-2019, at 22:14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 Which phone is this and do you charge on a wall adapter or plugged in to 
 the USB port of a computer?
 What shape is your battery in, e.g. have you looked at your battery health?
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Harshit Jaithwar
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 1:26 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Battery usage.
 
 Hi Sieghard,
 This hundred percent on AC power not works in my iPhone X Even if you left 
 it charging all day long it will still shows hundred percent charging and 
 not on AC power I really don’t know what causes this issue Any suggestion?
 Regards,
 Harshit Jaithwar
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 16-Jan-2019, at 00:29, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> That is a relief to know, Sieghard. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Battery usage.
> 
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with letting your phone battery run 
> down more to 20% or even less and there definitely is also nothing wrong 
> with  charging your phone to 100%. These new and advanced batteries have 
> many safeguards built in and you simply cannot overcharge them, if you 
> plugged your phone in at night and charged it all night the charging 
> would simply turn off when the battery is completely full. If you do this 
> and check in the morning you will see that it would say "100% on AC 
> power". When it first reaches 100% it will say "100% charging" which 
> means it is still topping up the last little bit, but when it says "on AC 
> power" it means the battery is full, charging has turned off and the 
> phone is now on power with a full battery.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Car

RE: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Let's not forget that we should compare Apples to apples and not Apple's to 
Oranges (pun intended).
If you want to compare phones like the iPhone XR or XS with Android phones you 
have to compare them to high-end, flagship Android phones from Samsung, Google 
or HTC and there are plenty of those which cost just as much as the iPhones.
But of course there are a ton of much less expensive Android phones which are 
primarily geared for markets like India, the Philippines, Africa and even China 
where there are Billions of people who will never in their life be able to 
afford an iPhone or, for that matter, a top-of-the line Samsung or Google phone.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Mary Otten 
Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

If you get a flagship Android phone you'll get two to three major OS 
updates and not one to two as you state. If you get a cheaper budget 
phone then you may get fewer updates. You'd also get fewer then four to 
five updates if you get an older iPhone for less money.


Obviously if you plan to hold on to your phone for four or five years, 
and major OS updates are important to you, then you'll definitely want 
to consider the newest iPhone. There are quite a few people though who 
update their phones more frequently then that, so two or three major OS 
upgrades are plenty. I'm not saying Android phones shouldn't have a 
longer shelf life, but this feature isn't critical for everyone.


I agree this article is using a mellow dramatic title to get some 
clicks, and not all of it's facts are spot on, but it is pointing out a 
real issue that I'm sure Apple executives are working hard to address. 
Someone compared this to the situation with Microsoft from a few years 
ago, but just as Microsoft had to remake themselves as a company and 
move their revenue away from a desktop operating system, Apple needs to 
make a similar transformation and generate revenue from sources other 
then smart phone hardware sales.


On 1/22/19 9:59 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> With the release of iOS 12, this slow down issue was supposedly largely 
> mitigated, at least to the point it could be. I would rather have a phone 
> that I could use for several years, knowing that it would be up-to-date 
> including security, and deal with a little bit of slow down, then have a 
> phone that maybe gets one or possibly two updates at most. The trade-off 
> simply isn’t worth it. And I don’t know about the phones not slowing down. My 
> husband had an HTC phone for three years. At the time he purchased it, it was 
> the flag ship. Not only did not get security update after year too, he said 
> it became sluggish and weird stuff started happening. His words not mine. So 
> he got another android phone this last fall, paying huge dollars for Samsung 
> note 9. And I will bet you that in two years, that phone won’t be seeing 
> updates, where as my iPhone will be. So nuts on android as far as I’m 
> concerned until they improve their longevity.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Brett  wrote:
>>
>> Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down 
>> over time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest 
>> updates, you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it. 
>> You can't say that about apple.
>> Cheers,
>> Brett.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from
>>> Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security
>>> patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it
>>> doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before
>>> spreading false information.
>>> https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote:
 Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to
 make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple
 builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of
 them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really
 isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years
 of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still
 in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time
 are probably on their way to a recycling center.

> On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones
> since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299.
> "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look
> at what an iPhone 7 costs right now.
> If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC
> sales sho