RE: Face recognition

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You don't, but why would you want to do it without Voiceover? If Voiceover is 
running and you reboot your phone Voiceover is on as soon as the phone restarts 
and you have to enter your PIN.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 
>
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RE: Face recognition

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Actually since one of the later versions of iOS 14, I think maybe 14.5 or 14.6, 
you can unlock your iPhone if you wear a mask as long as you also have an Apple 
Watch, are wearing it and if you have a passcode set for your Apple Watch and, 
lastly, if you turn on the ability in Settings > Face Id and Passcode. It works 
great, your iPhone basically communicates with your watch and unlocks, but 
while you can unlock your phone this way, you cannot authenticate an Apple Pay 
transaction, you either have to take  your mask off for a few seconds or 
authenticate by entering your passcode.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: September 22, 2021 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

right. I could imagine it would not work with a mask. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


   On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  
wrote:



   Hi.


   The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're 
like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra 
taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



   Lisa Belville
   missktlab1...@frontier.com

   On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


   It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.


   It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to 
double tap each digit or just touch and lift.


   But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.














   Richard


   "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
it." - Jane Wagner





   My Web site: https://www.turner42.com








   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





  Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
voiceover?





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





   I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for 
one, would not want to do that.





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Star Gazer


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





  How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've 
never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





   Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





   You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a 
passcode even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. 
Face Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help 
you set it up.


   As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to 
imagine a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock 
is at the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 
o'clock is on the left side?


   You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation 
of the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
(down) and West (to the left).


   All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, 
is to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
somebody could 

RE: Do not disturb on the lock screen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Can you please provide step by step directions on how to accomplish this in iOS 
14?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: September 22, 2021 10:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do not disturb on the lock screen

Well, I hate to tell you this, but you could have do not disturb activate 
itself on locking the screen in 14.  I do this every night and I know that my 
friend is correct.  Now, to figure out why it is gone now.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: Do not disturb on the lock screen

You could never have Do Not Disturb come on when you lock you r screen.
What you can do is to have Do Not Disturb on and to set it so that when your 
phone is unlocked you are getting notifications and such and that is still 
there under Settings > Focus > Do Not Disturb.
All the same settings are still there except they added a bunch of new ones 
which make it much more configurable.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: September 22, 2021 6:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not disturb on the lock screen

Hi all,
This question is from a friend.  Before 15 when you locked the screen you could 
have it set to turn on do not disturb.  Now they have buried all that in focus 
but there seems to be no way to do this any more, short of going in and turning 
it on before you lock your screen.  Has anyone figured out how to have do not 
disturb come on when you lock your screen automatically?  Thanks much.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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RE: Face recognition

[Simon A Fogarty]

No issue if you set it up without attention mode,

I still have my own eyes and without looking at the camera attention mode is 
bloody difficult.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 2:34 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

I have a prosthetic eye, how does face ID work with something like that?

On 9/22/21, Esther Levegnale  wrote:
> right. I could imagine it would not work with a mask. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: Richard Turner 
>> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>>
>> that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you 
>> use facial ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
>>
>>
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>>
>>
>>On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi.
>>
>>
>>The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if 
>> they're like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  
>> It's just extra taps for someone and more to concentrate on if 
>> walking or riding in a vehicle driving over bumpy roads. Holding the 
>> phone up just seems more intuitive.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lisa Belville
>>missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>
>>On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>>
>>
>>It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
>>
>>
>>It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you 
>> have to double tap each digit or just touch and lift.
>>
>>
>>But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a 
>> passcode.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>
>>"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in 
>> touch with it." - Jane Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen 
>> then without voiceover?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Carolyn
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; 
>> I, for one, would not want to do that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover?
>> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Carolyn
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six 
>> digits.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter 
>> a passcode even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock 
>> your iPhone. Face Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can 
>> get somebody to help you set it up.
>>
>>
>>As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not 
>> able to imagine a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at 
>> the top, 6 O'clock is at the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side 
>> (between 12 and
>> 6) and 9 o'clock is on the left side?
>>
>>
>>You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional 
>> Globe/representation of the Earth with the cardinal directions North 
>> (up) East (to the right), South (down) and West (to the left).
>>
>>
>>

Re: How to Create a Contact Group

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

Thanks, Richard!!! Just got the app and am trying it out now!!!

Sharonda

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 6:44 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> There is no way within Apple’s own apps, but ABC Groups is a third party
> app that allows you to create contact groups for emailing or texting.
>
> https://appsto.re/us/koq1O.I
>
>
>
> HTH,
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Sharonda Greenlaw
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:35 PM
> *To:* viphone 
> *Subject:* How to Create a Contact Group
>
>
>
> Is there a way to do this on the iPhone? I have an iPhone 11 with IOS14.
> Thanks so much.
>
>
>
> Sharonda Goode
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Re: Face recognition

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I have a prosthetic eye, how does face ID work with something like that?

On 9/22/21, Esther Levegnale  wrote:
> right. I could imagine it would not work with a mask. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Esther Levegnale
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: Richard Turner 
>> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>>
>> that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use
>> facial ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
>>
>>
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>>
>>
>>On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi.
>>
>>
>>The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if
>> they're like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's
>> just extra taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or
>> riding in a vehicle driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just
>> seems more intuitive.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lisa Belville
>>missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>
>>On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>>
>>
>>It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
>>
>>
>>It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to
>> double tap each digit or just touch and lift.
>>
>>
>>But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a
>> passcode.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>
>>"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
>> with it." - Jane Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Star Gazer
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then
>> without voiceover?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Carolyn
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I,
>> for one, would not want to do that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover?
>> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Carolyn
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six
>> digits.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a
>> passcode even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your
>> iPhone. Face Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get
>> somebody to help you set it up.
>>
>>
>>As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to
>> imagine a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6
>> O'clock is at the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and
>> 6) and 9 o'clock is on the left side?
>>
>>
>>You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional
>> Globe/representation of the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up)
>> East (to the right), South (down) and West (to the left).
>>
>>
>>All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time
>> process, is to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when
>> prompted look a bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I
>> said, I'm sure somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off
>> attention mode which for some blind people is better if they can't 

RE: Accessible pulse oxymeter

[Ann Byrne]

I believe I saw an ad for an oximeter  from guidelights and gadgets 
for around $70.  checking the website I didn't find it.


guidelightsandgadgets.us 


for info, write Barry at
bsch...@scheur.com
At 05:45 PM 9/22/2021, you wrote:
This is no doubt over kill, but an Apple Watch series 6 and 7 have 
the blood oxygen sensor as well as the ability to track your heart rate.

I think the 6 was the first one with the blood oxygen sensor.

No clue beyond that.





Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
with it." - Jane Wagner


My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of TaraPrakash

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessible pulse oxymeter

Hello all.
 asking for a friend Any recommendation for an 
accessible   Pulse  oximeter  that would work with iPhone or had a 
built in speech output? Concord health supply does advertise one on 
its website but it is out of stock. Cvs has  a talking oximeter but 
One of the reviews says it does not talk.  Any recommendation will 
be welcome.


Sent from my iPhone

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Displaying Soft-Keyboard With Logitech480?

[Fazil]

Hi, Group.

When I use Logitech K810 with my iPhone, I have an option for displaying the
soft keyboard or hiding it. Is this option available in Logitech480 too too?

If yes, how can I use this option, please?

Thanks!

 

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Re: IOS Broke Folder Structure

[CHELA Robles]

Well I think what may be the issue is that I know on my iPhone 8 Plus and I 
don’t know what phone he has but on the iPhone 8 Plus that I have I see a few 
widgets which repeats like calender and weather for example and then the actual 
calendar is in the home screen again obviously in addition to those widgets 
those two widgets the calendar and weather widgets although only weather is 
mentioned once so The fact that calendar is mentioned twice it’s kind of 
interesting other than that everything else looks good to me. I’m just not used 
to seeing widgets on the home screen I’m just used to seeing just the regular 
weather calendar without any thing saying no appointments for example or the 
weather displayed on the home screen so like for example what I see currently 
is The weather widget on the far left which also displays my current weather 
which I never did see before and then I see calendar widget with no 
appointments obviously for today and then I see calendar again but no weather 
I’m just used to seeing calendar and then nothing displayed of you know any 
appointments no weather widget just weather app I am quite capable of using the 
Weather app without having on the home screen a widget display the temperature 
even though it may be useful it’s kind of distracting to me because I like 
actually going into the Weather app myself and taking a Peru’s that way for 
example I can see how the appointment which it can be but it would be great if 
Nguyen could have the option of turning the widgets off if need be asked to not 
clutter the home screen. That’s just my thought process I’ll sleep on it for 
the rest of the night and come back  tomorrow if I have anything else to say 
about it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:41 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> My SE 2020 has everything where it was before the update as does my old, now 
> wi-fi only SE 1st Gen.
> Updating should not mess with the folder structure at all.
> You may want to call Apple.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
> – Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
> Baracco
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IOS Broke Folder Structure
>  
> After upgrading to IOS 15 i notice that my home screens were rearranged and 
> some of my folders were broken and the apps are just scattered on the 
> screens.  Has anyone else noticed this?  I'm using an iPhone 8.
>  
> Andy
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RE: Strange audio effect in the bard app after updating to iOS 15

[Richard Turner]

This is a perfect example of how subjective listening is.
When I use my Apple Airpods Max with BARD, I love the open room sound which is 
how I would describe the quality of the sound.
More open and clear.
Yet, I can understand how that might not be appealing to some.  
I tried turning off the Stereo Enhancement and thought it sounded really closed 
in and tending toward muffled.

Again, to each his own, but I appreciate this thread because I now know what to 
use to demonstrate the differences to folks.  

Thanks,



Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Strange audio effect in the bard app after updating to iOS 15

Sounds like you might be experiencing spatial audio. When listening to a book, 
go into the control center, double tap on the volume slider and turn spatial 
audio off.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kayla 
King
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:58 PM
To: viphone list 
Subject: Strange audio effect in the bard app after updating to iOS 15

Hi all,
I bought a set of AirPod Pro maxes a couple of weeks ago and they seemed to 
work normally when I read with the bard app. However, since I have updated to 
iOS 15, there seems to be a strange echo when reading audiobooks from bard.
While I do enjoy an extra echo now and then, I would like to be able to read my 
books normally without the distracting cave man effect. Does anybody have any 
idea as to how I can take this obnoxious echo away when reading books from Bard?
I have tried turning off spatial audio and it still makes no difference. It 
seems to only happen when I use my AirPod maxes and AirPod pros.
Thank you all for any help you can provide!

Sent from my iPhone 12

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Re: a wonderful benefit included in IOS 15

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, I would be very excited too, and I'm 76! Ha ha! Esther☺️

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Dan  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have reported before about the issue where my SE 2020 does not announce 
> time or even names of callers when my phone is in the holster.  
> 
> 
> 
> Well, this afternoon I decided to upgrade to 15.  Once that was done I was 
> looking through the changes.  After i put the phone back in my holster I went 
> into the other room.  My wife asked what time it was.  I reached for my phone 
> and accidentally bumped one of the buttons.  My phone even though still in 
> the holster spoke the time.  I tried it several times with the holster 
> completely closed and it now announces the time every time I press one of the 
> buttons.
> 
> 
> 
> I hate to say it but this 66 year old man is almost as excited as a kid 
> again.  Silly I know. ;)
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Beaver
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Re: Face recognition

[Esther Levegnale]

right. I could imagine it would not work with a mask. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Richard Turner 
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
> 
> that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use 
> facial ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
> 
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
> 
>On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  
> wrote:
>
>
> 
>Hi.
>
>
>The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're 
> like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra 
> taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
> driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.
>
>
>
>Lisa Belville
>missktlab1...@frontier.com
>
>On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>
> 
>It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
>
> 
>It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to 
> double tap each digit or just touch and lift.
>
> 
>But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Richard
>
> 
>"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it." - Jane Wagner
>
> 
>
>
> 
>My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
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> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
>
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
> without voiceover?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
>
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for 
> one, would not want to do that.
>
> 
>
>
> 
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> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
>
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
>
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a 
> passcode even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your 
> iPhone. Face Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody 
> to help you set it up.
>
> 
>As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to 
> imagine a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock 
> is at the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 
> o'clock is on the left side?
>
> 
>You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation 
> of the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), 
> South (down) and West (to the left).
>
> 
>All you have to do when you set 

Re: Face recognition

[Esther Levegnale]

wow, that's pretty neat. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, I set up facial ID when I wasn’t wearing glasses, and it still works 
> when I have sun glasses on. I’ve also gone from a beard to clean shaven to a 
> goatee and it still always worked without having to reset it up.
>  
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Richard Turner 
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>  
> that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use 
> facial ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
> me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps 
> for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
> driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
> On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> 
> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
> each digit or just touch and lift.
> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> - Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
> Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
>Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
> voiceover?
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
> would not want to do that.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
>How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've never 
> been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>  
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
>  
> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is 

RE: How to Create a Contact Group

[Richard Turner]

There is no way within Apple's own apps, but ABC Groups is a third party app 
that allows you to create contact groups for emailing or texting.
https://appsto.re/us/koq1O.I

HTH,


Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sharonda 
Greenlaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:35 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: How to Create a Contact Group

Is there a way to do this on the iPhone? I have an iPhone 11 with IOS14. Thanks 
so much.

Sharonda Goode

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Re: Face recognition

[Esther Levegnale]

I wear mine when I go out as well. I wear them for cosmetic purposes because my 
eyes move. Take care. Esther I wear mine out a lot as well, and I wear them for 
cosmetic purposes. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes
>  
> I wear sunnies all the time and it works for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 8:58 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Richard Turner 
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>  
> that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use 
> facial ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
> me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps 
> for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
> driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
> On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> 
> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
> each digit or just touch and lift.
> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> - Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
> Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
>Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
> voiceover?
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
> would not want to do that.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
>How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've never 
> been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>  
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
>  
> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>  
>  
> 

RE: IOS Broke Folder Structure

[Richard Turner]

My SE 2020 has everything where it was before the update as does my old, now 
wi-fi only SE 1st Gen.
Updating should not mess with the folder structure at all.
You may want to call Apple.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS Broke Folder Structure

After upgrading to IOS 15 i notice that my home screens were rearranged and 
some of my folders were broken and the apps are just scattered on the screens.  
Has anyone else noticed this?  I'm using an iPhone 8.

Andy

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How to Create a Contact Group

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

Is there a way to do this on the iPhone? I have an iPhone 11 with IOS14.
Thanks so much.

Sharonda Goode

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apple tv issues

[juanhernandez98]

Hi All,

 

I have been having a weird issue. A week ago, my apple tv stopped moving
around in direct touch mode.  Instead if have to swipe and such to move
around, but this doesn't foread right in like the you tube app etc.  and now
when on the screen when using the rotter I get speech rate, read afer delay,
landmarks, and vertical nivagation.  Before I never got those options when
it worked correctly.  I know if I reset my apple tv to factory defaults, it
will go back to normal, but I don't know what I am doing to get it in this
weird mode.  I hate to reset it every time this happens as that is such a
pain.

  

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Best,

 

Juan 

 

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IOS Broke Folder Structure

[Andy Baracco]

After upgrading to IOS 15 i notice that my home screens were rearranged and 
some of my folders were broken and the apps are just scattered on the screens.  
Has anyone else noticed this?  I'm using an iPhone 8.

Andy

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Changing Creditcard?

[Fazil]

Hi, Group.

How can I change the creditcard associated with my Apple-ID?

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RE: Game Day

[Lora Leggett]

I forgot that last Thursday’s game was on NFL network.  For some reason, my 
little TV remote doesn’t get all the channels I get on the TV in the living 
room.
So I asked Lady A. to play NFL on SiriusXM, which has Westwood 1.
And, I heard the Packers shellac the Lions on ESPN.


Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Fred Olver
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Game Day

Have tried listening to the Lions game two weeks in a row. With that team they 
are offering the television broadcast from whichever network is showing the 
game, no radio broadcast at all. Also, have gone to the oppositions' links and 
been able to listen to the radio side of things. Also, you might check to see 
if either CBS or ESPN is carrying your teams' broadcast.
 
Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: Game Day

I listened to the Seahawks yesterday with no problems. 
Are you all trying different stations, and not just the first one?
Remember, he is trying to get around the NFL'S limit to internet broadcasting 
of games.
He says to keep trying different stations and hopefully you find one that is 
ignoring the NFL and streaming the game.
No guarantees at all.


Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner 
  




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On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
 
I noticed that as well. Last week i was able to find the 49ers game on KFIG, 
but no luck yesterday.  My thought is that the NFL launched some kind of crack 
down on the teams and stations.  Everyone has caught on to the fact that 
streaming is a cash cow, and the days of free and low cost content are becoming 
a thing of the past.
 
Andy
 
- Original Message - 
From: Lehmann, Timothy A 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:46 AM
Subject: Game Day

I purchased the Game Day ap for listening to NFL games. Last year I was able to 
listen to NFL games. Now when I try to listen to NFL games the ap says radio 
blocked. Any idea how to get the games to open, so I can listen to them like I 
have before? Thanks and have a nice day!
Tim Lehmann
Access Specialist
Student Affairs
Missouri State University
Meyer Library 111G
901 South National Avenue
Springfield, Missouri 65897
Office 417-836-4248   Fax 417-836-3158
mailto:timlehm...@missouristate.edu
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone accessible thermostat preferably with Echo capability?
CAUTION: External Sender
Alan,
We recently got an Ecobee thermostat which was recommended by our HVAC company 
and it works with our Trane air conditioner.  I do not remember the specific 
model offhand, though.
My husband and I are both blind, and after the initial setup, we have had no 
issues using it with their app or Alexa.   The only time we needed sighted help 
was during the setup process to enter the WIFI information directly on the 
touch screen of the unit.  There may have been a way around this that we might 
have missed at the time, but a call to AIRA helped get this part done.
Anyway, we are very happy with this unit.
Pam
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone accessible thermostat preferably with Echo capability?
Alan,
Open the Amazon Alexa app on your phone and go to add new device and select 
thermostat and it will ask you for the brand and give you a pretty long list of 
brands.
That might help.
The company should be able to tell you which thermostats work with your new 
system that are Wi-Fi compatible.
HTH,
Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone accessible thermostat preferably with Echo capability?
Check to see what thermostats the installer carries that work with the Total 
Connect comfort app.  Certainly many of the newer Honeywell thermostats will, 
but I know other brands also work with it.
You should be able to find out quickly if they work with Echo devices by 
opening the add device and click on thermostats, and I think it offers a list 
of potential thermostats.  I can check after a while, but wanted to get this 
sent since you are on a tight time frame.
Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: e...@groups.io
Subject: iPhone accessible thermostat 

RE: Face recognition

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yes

I wear sunnies all the time and it works for me.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 8:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville 
mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>> wrote:
Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
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On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
voiceover?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've never 
been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
A foot is actually a bit close, better to 

Re: Do not disturb on the lock screen

[Kay Malmquist]

I'm not currently doing this on my 6 s so would have to see.  You could be 
right, but when I had it set up, it sure seemed like it was working.  I 
myself didn't use it long because I have family that might need to contact 
me.

Kay Malmquist
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Bob Proctor

  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon A Fogarty
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 6:46 PM
  Subject: RE: Do not disturb on the lock screen


  Hi Kay,



  Um,

  No, do not disturb did not have a feature that turned it on when you 
locked your phone in IOS 14 or earlier.



  However you could schedule your dnd to lock at set times unlock etc



  And when you locked it

  That would then put the notification on the top of the screen that said do 
not disturb was on,



  Otherwise when you had your phone open the DND icon was on the status bar 
/ line at the top of the screen.



  But because you were using your phone it didn’t appear to have dnd on but 
it would have been.

  I use dnd all the time and this is how it’s always worked for me.





  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
  Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 5:37 am
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Do not disturb on the lock screen



  Well, I hate to tell you this, but you could have do not disturb activate 
itself on locking the screen in 14.  I do this every night and I know that 
my friend is correct.  Now, to figure out why it is gone now.


  Kay Malmquist
  kay.malmqu...@gmail.com



  "Where focus goes, energy flows."
  Bob Proctor

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:10 AM

Subject: RE: Do not disturb on the lock screen



You could never have Do Not Disturb come on when you lock you r screen.

What you can do is to have Do Not Disturb on and to set it so that when 
your phone is unlocked you are getting notifications and such and that is 
still there under Settings > Focus > Do Not Disturb.

All the same settings are still there except they added a bunch of new 
ones which make it much more configurable.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kay Malmquist
Sent: September 22, 2021 6:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not disturb on the lock screen



Hi all,

This question is from a friend.  Before 15 when you locked the screen 
you could have it set to turn on do not disturb.  Now they have buried all 
that in focus but there seems to be no way to do this any more, short of 
going in and turning it on before you lock your screen.  Has anyone figured 
out how to have do not disturb come on when you lock your screen 
automatically?  Thanks much.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com



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RE: Since updating

[Simon A Fogarty]

Odd I've had it working while sitting on my night stand.

It wakes and tries to do what I ask.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 6:46 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Since updating

I checked it, and with the phone in my pocket, Hay Siri did not work; I have an 
iPhone 11. Then, I got it out, went into My information and went through Siri. 
It looked OK. I asked a question with it laying on the desk, and Siri 
responded. 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:22 PM
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Subject: Since updating

With IOS15, hay Siri doesn't work on locked screen on my SE20.

Also I have to turn off vibration, which I don't want to do, or else the touch 
screen goes all weird in a way I can't explain.  I will get in touch with Apple 
accessibility in a bit when other more pressing problems they get will die down.



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[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Kay,

Um,
No, do not disturb did not have a feature that turned it on when you locked 
your phone in IOS 14 or earlier.

However you could schedule your dnd to lock at set times unlock etc

And when you locked it
That would then put the notification on the top of the screen that said do not 
disturb was on,

Otherwise when you had your phone open the DND icon was on the status bar / 
line at the top of the screen.

But because you were using your phone it didn’t appear to have dnd on but it 
would have been.
I use dnd all the time and this is how it’s always worked for me.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 5:37 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Do not disturb on the lock screen

Well, I hate to tell you this, but you could have do not disturb activate 
itself on locking the screen in 14.  I do this every night and I know that my 
friend is correct.  Now, to figure out why it is gone now.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: Do not disturb on the lock screen

You could never have Do Not Disturb come on when you lock you r screen.
What you can do is to have Do Not Disturb on and to set it so that when your 
phone is unlocked you are getting notifications and such and that is still 
there under Settings > Focus > Do Not Disturb.
All the same settings are still there except they added a bunch of new ones 
which make it much more configurable.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: September 22, 2021 6:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not disturb on the lock screen

Hi all,
This question is from a friend.  Before 15 when you locked the screen you could 
have it set to turn on do not disturb.  Now they have buried all that in focus 
but there seems to be no way to do this any more, short of going in and turning 
it on before you lock your screen.  Has anyone figured out how to have do not 
disturb come on when you lock your screen automatically?  Thanks much.

Kay Malmquist
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RE: iPhone13 & 13-Mini Same Price?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Go have another look,

Open the iphone 13 page and then there will be a number of list boxes / drop 
down lists of the phones, colours and capacity



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 3:43 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone13 & 13-Mini Same Price?

I went to Apple Store and it gives me the price of iPhone13 only, not iPhone 
Mini.
Thanks!


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 7:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone13 & 13-Mini Same Price?

Easiest way to find out is to get the Apple Store app on your iPhone or go to 
the Apple Store Canada website. Select the iPad you want with the configuration 
 you want and it will show the price. Without selecting the capacity and 
whether you want a cellular modem it will still say the starting price.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: September 21, 2021 10:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone13 & 13-Mini Same Price?

Hi, Group.
Is iPhone13 & 13 Mini for the same price?
Thanks!

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RE: Face recognition

[Simon A Fogarty]

On a face id phone you either have none,
The pin code or both face id and pin code,

You can't have just face id 
As when you restart your phone the face id recognition doesn't work to unlock 
the phone.

You need a pin code there.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 3:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have both passcode and facial ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
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RE: Is there a way to keep your outlook mailbox permanently expanded in iOS 15 mail app

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yes that is correct.

The first is the default in box and the second as you have found is the folders 
under the inbox 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 2:39 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is there a way to keep your outlook mailbox permanently expanded 
in iOS 15 mail app

I'm honestly not sure how I did this, but for me, I have two Outlook icons in 
the native mail app.
One is just the inbox.
Then father down the screen is Outlook that is collapsed, if I expand it, I 
have all the Outlook folders on my phone that I have on my computer.
It has to do with editing what shows and the order in the mail app.
You may want to call Apple Accessibility and see if they have a short answer on 
how to do that: 877-204-3930




Richard
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is there a way to keep your outlook mailbox permanently expanded in 
iOS 15 mail app

Hi I am using a native mail app on my iPhone 11 running iOS 15 and I'm 
wondering if there is a way to keep my outlook account permanently expanded 
within the app so I can see all the folders and don't have to tap on expand 
every time.
Thanks.
Jen

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RE: accessible blood pressure monitors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi thanks, yes this is the first one on my accessibility list,
But availability in nz is extremely limited,

So I’m looking for other options such as the withings products and willues

But it’s accessibility rather an availability that’s the problem.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kamal 
Haffar
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 2:19 am
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Cc: only-apple-...@groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible blood pressure monitors

Try the Qardio blood pressure monitor. The app is very accessible. And it works 
really well for me.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:52 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Lists,

I know this has been discussed a number of times on lists,

I’m looking for a blood pressure monitor that I can control with or from my 
iPhone!

I know people talk of the qardio arm device,

But I wondered what if anything other products might be available?

We don’t seem to have a lot of info on this medical stuff,
Down under.

Cheers for any information.

Simon F

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RE: Face recognition

[Simon A Fogarty]

I’m not completely sure but I believe that will work fine for you as the face 
id feature works great in the dark,

Infact I think I stt mine up in a dark room

But give it ago

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 12:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

 What happens if you set up face id 
in a dark room? I tried seting up face id, I thought it was light, it was the 
middle of the day and got my phone all f**cked up

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You don't need sighted help, just as with Touch Id you are guided as to what 
you should do. Keep in mind that you can always delete your Face Id and set it 
up again, also a good idea at least for setup to be in a reasonably well 
lighted room. Once Face Id is set up it works in total darkness because it uses 
IR light to scan your face and light is not required.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: September 21, 2021 1:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in to this, 
How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted help?  What should I 
expect?  Thanks much for any input.

Kay Malmquist
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a wonderful benefit included in IOS 15

[Dan]

  
  
I have reported before about the issue
where my SE 2020 does not announce time or even names of callers
when my phone is in the holster.  
  

  
Well, this afternoon I decided to upgrade
to 15.  Once that was done I was looking through the changes. 
After i put the phone back in my holster I went into the other
room.  My wife asked what time it was.  I reached for my phone
and accidentally bumped one of the buttons.  My phone even
though still in the holster spoke the time.  I tried it several
times with the holster completely closed and it now announces
the time every time I press one of the buttons.

  
I hate to say it but this 66 year old man
is almost as excited as a kid again.  Silly I know. ;)

  
Dan Beaver

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RE: wondering about A new future in IOS 15

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Perhaps they're referring to the voice isolation setting for the mic mode when 
on facetime or other calls which appears in control center. This has nothing to 
do with VoiceOver however but it's all I could think that they meant.
Take good care.
Robin


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Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: wondering about A new future in IOS 15

Could you explain this? 

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Sent: September 22, 2021 6:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: wondering about A new future in IOS 15

hi is there the new voice over iceolation future in IOS 15 where only you can 
hear your voice over?

And if so where do you find and and where what does it all do?

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RE: Face recognition

[Carolyn]

It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  
wrote:



Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if 
they're like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just 
extra taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a 
vehicle driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more 
intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.


It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have 
to double tap each digit or just touch and lift.


But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a 
passcode.














Richard


"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in 
touch with it." - Jane Wagner





My Web site: https://www.turner42.com








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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Star Gazer


Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover?





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Carolyn


Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; 
I, for one, would not want to do that.





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer


Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using 
voiceover? I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?





-Original Message-


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Carolyn


Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six 
digits.





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel


Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter 
a passcode even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your 
iPhone. Face Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to 
help you set it up.


As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not 
able to imagine a clock face, e.g. a circle 

RE: Face recognition

[Carolyn]

Right, Maria. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

The only time I have to enter my pass code is when I power down and turn my 
phone back on.  Not every time I unlock the screen.



Maria Campbell
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On 9/22/2021 4:49 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> Definitely, it would be nuts to have to punch in a code every time you opened 
> your phone.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lisa Belville
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>
> Hi.
>
>
> The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
> me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps 
> for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
> driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.
>
>
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>
> On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
>> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double 
>> tap each digit or just touch and lift.
>> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
>> with it." - Jane Wagner
>>
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Star Gazer
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>  Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
>> without voiceover?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
>> would not want to do that.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Star Gazer
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>  How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
>> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
>> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face 
>> Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you 
>> set it up.
>> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine 
>> a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at 
>> the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock 
>> is on the left side?
>> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of 
>> the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
>> (down) and West (to the left).
>> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is 
>> to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
>> bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
>> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
>> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
>> screen and you are good to go.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>>
>> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
>> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
>> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
>> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
>> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
>> ID.
>>

RE: Accessible pulse oxymeter

[Richard Turner]

This is no doubt over kill, but an Apple Watch series 6 and 7 have the blood 
oxygen sensor as well as the ability to track your heart rate.
I think the 6 was the first one with the blood oxygen sensor.

No clue beyond that.





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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessible pulse oxymeter

Hello all. 
 asking for a friend Any recommendation for an accessible   Pulse  oximeter  
that would work with iPhone or had a built in speech output? Concord health 
supply does advertise one on its website but it is out of stock. Cvs has  a 
talking oximeter but One of the reviews says it does not talk.  Any 
recommendation will be welcome.

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Accessible pulse oxymeter

[TaraPrakash]

Hello all. 
 asking for a friend Any recommendation for an accessible   Pulse  oximeter  
that would work with iPhone or had a built in speech output? Concord health 
supply does advertise one on its website but it is out of stock. Cvs has  a 
talking oximeter but One of the reviews says it does not talk.  Any 
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Re: Is there a way to keep your outlook mailbox permanently expanded in iOS 15 mail app

[TaraPrakash]

It is mighty helpful if you have multiple email accounts 


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> On Sep 22, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> You know, I do not know why folders ever collapse in Outlook? What advantage 
> is there to that? 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> iOS 15 mail app
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> Hi I am using a native mail app on my iPhone 11 running iOS 15 and I'm 
> wondering if there is a way to keep my outlook account permanently expanded 
> within the app so I can see all the folders and don't have to tap on expand 
> every time.
> Thanks.
> Jen
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RE: Ios15 question

[Christopher Chaltain]

OK, and agreed that wi-fi calling has been around for a while. I can't tell 
from your original question though how what your asking about is any different 
then wi-fi calling. What you're asking about is exactly what I think of when I 
think of wi-fi calling. I did a quick web search, and I couldn't find anything 
either. I did find this web page, which doesn't really answer the question. 
Sorry I wasn't able to help, but let us know if you find out what this is. 
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/5g-vs-wi-fi/

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ios15 question

It’s not Wi-Fi calling, I already have that setup. Alamo, Wi-Fi calling has 
been around forever.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 22:19, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
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> I don't have 5G, but this sounds like wi-fi calling. Go to Settings -> 
> Cellular and look for an option to toggle wi-fie calling on and off. It's 
> been a while since I set it up, but I think you'll be asked for some 
> information to get this set up.
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> -Original Message-
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> 
> I read somewhere that in ios15, on devices that support 5g, there's supposed 
> to be a setting that allows you to use either 5g or Wi-Fi, depending which is 
> the better signal. I can't find this anywhere. Does anyone know how to do 
> this please?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Ios15 question

[Alex Stone]

It’s not Wi-Fi calling, I already have that setup. Alamo, Wi-Fi calling has 
been around forever.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 22:19, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I don't have 5G, but this sounds like wi-fi calling. Go to Settings -> 
> Cellular and look for an option to toggle wi-fie calling on and off. It's 
> been a while since I set it up, but I think you'll be asked for some 
> information to get this set up.
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
> Stone
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Ios15 question
> 
> I read somewhere that in ios15, on devices that support 5g, there's supposed 
> to be a setting that allows you to use either 5g or Wi-Fi, depending which is 
> the better signal. I can't find this anywhere. Does anyone know how to do 
> this please?
> 
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RE: Strange audio effect in the bard app after updating to iOS 15

[Christopher Chaltain]

Sounds like you might be experiencing spatial audio. When listening to a book, 
go into the control center, double tap on the volume slider and turn spatial 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kayla 
King
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:58 PM
To: viphone list 
Subject: Strange audio effect in the bard app after updating to iOS 15

Hi all,
I bought a set of AirPod Pro maxes a couple of weeks ago and they seemed to 
work normally when I read with the bard app. However, since I have updated to 
iOS 15, there seems to be a strange echo when reading audiobooks from bard.
While I do enjoy an extra echo now and then, I would like to be able to read my 
books normally without the distracting cave man effect. Does anybody have any 
idea as to how I can take this obnoxious echo away when reading books from Bard?
I have tried turning off spatial audio and it still makes no difference. It 
seems to only happen when I use my AirPod maxes and AirPod pros.
Thank you all for any help you can provide!

Sent from my iPhone 12

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RE: Ios15 question

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't have 5G, but this sounds like wi-fi calling. Go to Settings -> Cellular 
and look for an option to toggle wi-fie calling on and off. It's been a while 
since I set it up, but I think you'll be asked for some information to get this 
set up.

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Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Ios15 question

I read somewhere that in ios15, on devices that support 5g, there's supposed to 
be a setting that allows you to use either 5g or Wi-Fi, depending which is the 
better signal. I can't find this anywhere. Does anyone know how to do this 
please?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Face recognition

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, I set up facial ID when I wasn’t wearing glasses, and it still works when 
I have sun glasses on. I’ve also gone from a beard to clean shaven to a goatee 
and it still always worked without having to reset it up.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville 
mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>> wrote:
Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
voiceover?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've never 
been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a 

Re: Issue with Mail app

[Alan Lemly]

I know folks get used to a particular mail app but I'd recommend you try 
Outlook for iOS. I'm still running iOS 14.8 but I'd be curious if the Outlook 
app under iOS 15 does the shenanigans you're describing.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Malcolm 
Parfitt 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:45:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Issue with Mail app

Look like your findings mirror mine.

I don’t what to bring you bad news, but for no apparent reason when a message 
comes in it’ll all happen again.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 21:40, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>
> Well guys it suddenly fixed itself I’m not being thrown back into a prior 
> message.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder why you couldn't go directly to App Switcher, close mail, then go 
>> back to it?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of CHELA Robles
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Issue with Mail app
>>
>> Well, I will just keep doing what I keep doing and if it resolves itself 
>> then that will be that. Thanks for trying to help me out my friend. Greatly 
>> appreciate it. Have a great day! At least dictation has improved some on my 
>> end. I do have a question though when composing a message at the top I do 
>> see something called a sheet grabber. What is that? This is within the mail 
>> app by the way.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
 wrote:
>>>
>>> I know of no other solution, the strange thing is that I have found that 
>>> after a while normal behaviour is restored until the next time!
>>>
>>> There appears to be no pattern to this behaviour that I can establish it 
>>> does not happen on every message or on those of a particular type.
>>>
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>>
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:37, CHELA Robles  wrote:

 I did try what Richard suggested and I still get landed back in to the 
 message in this case Amazons automatic message to tell me about my refund 
 for an item that didn’t show up which I had to buy from a third-party 
 seller in the end had to pay more for it though then I should’ve but 
 that’s a entirely different story. Nonetheless I’m still at that refund 
 message from Amazon no matter what I do. Yes it is getting to be extremely 
 annoying.

 Sent from my iPhone

>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
>
> Richard suggested doing the following let us know if it works for you.
>
> Once you have read your messages and are back in your inbox, do not exit 
> mail, but return to your home page.  Once on your home page, bring up the 
> App Switcher and then exit Mail.
>
> When you then launch Mail, are you in a message then or your inbox?
>
> I agree it’s an annoying issue!
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>
>> Well here’s a stupid question is there a workaround it other than what 
>> I’ve been doing or am I just stuck with what I have to keep doing not 
>> that I’m making any sense? Sorry if I sound confused.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt 
  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.
>>>
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>>
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:

 Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was 
 just wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where 
 when you check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last 
 message you reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message 
 in order to see your unread messages? I know this is happening to me 
 quite a lot since yesterday so I was just wondering if this is a known 
 bug or if it’s just my phone. Keep in mind I had already backed out of 
 the mail message last time I reviewed it but once I’ve closed the mail 
 app and checked for other messages it lands me back into the message I 
 had previously backed out of.

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Re: Face recognition

[Esther Levegnale]

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
> me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps 
> for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
> driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
>> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double 
>> tap each digit or just touch and lift.
>> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
>> - Jane Wagner
>> 
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
>> Gazer
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>>Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
>> voiceover?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
>> would not want to do that.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Star Gazer
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>>How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've 
>> never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
>> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face 
>> Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you 
>> set it up.
>> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine 
>> a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at 
>> the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock 
>> is on the left side?
>> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of 
>> the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
>> (down) and West (to the left).
>> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is 
>> to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
>> bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
>> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
>> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
>> screen and you are good to go.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>> 
>> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
>> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
>> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
>> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
>> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
>> ID.
>> 
>>> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Carolyn
>>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>> 
>>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our
>>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
>>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to
>>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy
>>> 

Re: Face recognition

[Maria Campbell]

The only time I have to enter my pass code is when I power down and turn 
my phone back on.  Not every time I unlock the screen.




Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 9/22/2021 4:49 PM, Carolyn wrote:

Definitely, it would be nuts to have to punch in a code every time you opened 
your phone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lisa Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Carolyn
Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our
apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to
the left; turn your head slightly to the 

RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Carolyn]

Thanks. That makes perfect sense. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

You have to be in a facetime call to do this 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

I opened Control Center, found nothing about the mic, even went into Control 
Center in Settings. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 launched 
wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a face time call, open 
control center and at the top of the screen you'll see something about the mic. 
Double tap there and you'll be presented with two options, voice isolation and 
wide spectrum audio. This is under the main control center and not the face 
time options. It would be much more convenient if Apple had placed those 
options in the face time options.
On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a 
> good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in my 
> Airpods.
>
> On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
>> Hello folks.
>> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds 
>> after updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the other 
>> side sounds as if they are talking inside a very large empty hall. I 
>> also sound to them as if I am talking inside a large empty room after 
>> I updated to fifteen, although they are still using 14.8. Is there a 
>> setting I must change to go back to the lovely normal sound of the familiar 
>> FaceTime.
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Face recognition

[Lisa Belville]

There is a setting called Attention that doesn't require you to be 
looking directly at the phone.  It's under Face ID Pass Code and 
Attention is the first or second heading on that page.  I'm mentioning 
it because if you may not be able to visually look at the phone, i.e. 
make direct eye contact with the screen reliably, this setting could 
help make Face ID work for you.  I plan to use it when I set up Face ID.



I've never tried setting up a pass code, but one thing I'd try is making 
sure my hands and screen were clean, just so nothing interferes with 
your fingers making direct contact.



Lisa

Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 3:40 PM, Star Gazer wrote:

Agree Lisa. I have for whatever reason never gotten my phone tto recogonize a 
password or my face. I couldn't do it with my finger print either..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.

RE: Face recognition

[Carolyn]

Definitely, it would be nuts to have to punch in a code every time you opened 
your phone. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lisa Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
> each digit or just touch and lift.
> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it." - Jane Wagner
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
>   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
> without voiceover?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
> would not want to do that.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
>
> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was 

RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Carolyn]

Where are the mic commands in Control Center? I checked twice in each, did not 
find it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

Can anybody explain what the different mike options in facetime mean standard 
v. voice isolation v. full spectrum? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

Thanks so much will be so glad to get rid of this for now. It just doesn't 
sound all that great to me. Also the command is one finger flick down from the 
top.

On 9/22/21, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> Hi what's the command to get into controle senter? From Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: September 22, 2021 3:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15
>
> Perfect, Gordon thank you
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15
>
> I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 
> launched wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a 
> face time call, open control center and at the top of the screen 
> you'll see something about the mic. Double tap there and you'll be 
> presented with two options, voice isolation and wide spectrum audio.
> This is under the main control center and not the face time options. 
> It would be much more convenient if Apple had placed those options in the 
> face time options.
> On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>> Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a 
>> good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in 
>> my Airpods.
>>
>> On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
>>> Hello folks.
>>> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds 
>>> after updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the 
>>> other side sounds as if they are talking inside a very large empty 
>>> hall. I also sound to them as if I am talking inside a large empty 
>>> room after I updated to fifteen, although they are still using 14.8.
>>> Is there a setting I must change to go back to the lovely normal 
>>> sound of the familiar FaceTime.
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Carolyn]

Mich, either come down with one finger from the top to the first pop, which I 
did first, or go into Settings. I am thinking he was talking about coming down 
from the top with the first pop. That is, if you have a phone newer than 8, 
that is, 10 or later. I can't remember for sure how on the older phones. 

-Original Message-
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Mich Verrier
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

Hi what's the command to get into controle senter? From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: September 22, 2021 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

Perfect, Gordon thank you 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 launched 
wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a face time call, open 
control center and at the top of the screen you'll see something about the mic. 
Double tap there and you'll be presented with two options, voice isolation and 
wide spectrum audio. This is under the main control center and not the face 
time options. It would be much more convenient if Apple had placed those 
options in the face time options.
On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a 
> good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in my 
> Airpods.
>
> On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
>> Hello folks.
>> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds 
>> after updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the other 
>> side sounds as if they are talking inside a very large empty hall. I 
>> also sound to them as if I am talking inside a large empty room after 
>> I updated to fifteen, although they are still using 14.8. Is there a 
>> setting I must change to go back to the lovely normal sound of the familiar 
>> FaceTime.
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Issue with Mail app

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Look like your findings mirror mine.

I don’t what to bring you bad news, but for no apparent reason when a message 
comes in it’ll all happen again.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 21:40, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> Well guys it suddenly fixed itself I’m not being thrown back into a prior 
> message.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder why you couldn't go directly to App Switcher, close mail, then go 
>> back to it? 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of CHELA Robles
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Issue with Mail app
>> 
>> Well, I will just keep doing what I keep doing and if it resolves itself 
>> then that will be that. Thanks for trying to help me out my friend. Greatly 
>> appreciate it. Have a great day! At least dictation has improved some on my 
>> end. I do have a question though when composing a message at the top I do 
>> see something called a sheet grabber. What is that? This is within the mail 
>> app by the way.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know of no other solution, the strange thing is that I have found that 
>>> after a while normal behaviour is restored until the next time!
>>> 
>>> There appears to be no pattern to this behaviour that I can establish it 
>>> does not happen on every message or on those of a particular type.
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:37, CHELA Robles  wrote:
 
 I did try what Richard suggested and I still get landed back in to the 
 message in this case Amazons automatic message to tell me about my refund 
 for an item that didn’t show up which I had to buy from a third-party 
 seller in the end had to pay more for it though then I should’ve but 
 that’s a entirely different story. Nonetheless I’m still at that refund 
 message from Amazon no matter what I do. Yes it is getting to be extremely 
 annoying.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
> 
> Richard suggested doing the following let us know if it works for you.
> 
> Once you have read your messages and are back in your inbox, do not exit 
> mail, but return to your home page.  Once on your home page, bring up the 
> App Switcher and then exit Mail.
> 
> When you then launch Mail, are you in a message then or your inbox?
> 
> I agree it’s an annoying issue!
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> 
>> Well here’s a stupid question is there a workaround it other than what 
>> I’ve been doing or am I just stuck with what I have to keep doing not 
>> that I’m making any sense? Sorry if I sound confused.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:
 
 Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was 
 just wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where 
 when you check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last 
 message you reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message 
 in order to see your unread messages? I know this is happening to me 
 quite a lot since yesterday so I was just wondering if this is a known 
 bug or if it’s just my phone. Keep in mind I had already backed out of 
 the mail message last time I reviewed it but once I’ve closed the mail 
 app and checked for other messages it lands me back into the message I 
 had previously backed out of.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Star Gazer]

You have to be in a facetime call to do this 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

I opened Control Center, found nothing about the mic, even went into Control 
Center in Settings. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 launched 
wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a face time call, open 
control center and at the top of the screen you'll see something about the mic. 
Double tap there and you'll be presented with two options, voice isolation and 
wide spectrum audio. This is under the main control center and not the face 
time options. It would be much more convenient if Apple had placed those 
options in the face time options.
On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a 
> good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in my 
> Airpods.
>
> On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
>> Hello folks.
>> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds 
>> after updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the other 
>> side sounds as if they are talking inside a very large empty hall. I 
>> also sound to them as if I am talking inside a large empty room after 
>> I updated to fifteen, although they are still using 14.8. Is there a 
>> setting I must change to go back to the lovely normal sound of the familiar 
>> FaceTime.
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>
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RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Carolyn]

I opened Control Center, found nothing about the mic, even went into Control 
Center in Settings. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 launched 
wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a face time call, open 
control center and at the top of the screen you'll see something about the mic. 
Double tap there and you'll be presented with two options, voice isolation and 
wide spectrum audio. This is under the main control center and not the face 
time options. It would be much more convenient if Apple had placed those 
options in the face time options.
On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a 
> good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in my 
> Airpods.
>
> On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
>> Hello folks.
>> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds 
>> after updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the other 
>> side sounds as if they are talking inside a very large empty hall. I 
>> also sound to them as if I am talking inside a large empty room after 
>> I updated to fifteen, although they are still using 14.8. Is there a 
>> setting I must change to go back to the lovely normal sound of the familiar 
>> FaceTime.
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Face recognition

[Star Gazer]

Agree Lisa. I have for whatever reason never gotten my phone tto recogonize a 
password or my face. I couldn't do it with my finger print either.. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
> each digit or just touch and lift.
> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it." - Jane Wagner
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
>   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
> without voiceover?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
> would not want to do that.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
>
> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my 

Re: Issue with Mail app

[CHELA Robles]

Well guys it suddenly fixed itself I’m not being thrown back into a prior 
message.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I wonder why you couldn't go directly to App Switcher, close mail, then go 
> back to it? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> CHELA Robles
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Issue with Mail app
> 
> Well, I will just keep doing what I keep doing and if it resolves itself then 
> that will be that. Thanks for trying to help me out my friend. Greatly 
> appreciate it. Have a great day! At least dictation has improved some on my 
> end. I do have a question though when composing a message at the top I do see 
> something called a sheet grabber. What is that? This is within the mail app 
> by the way.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know of no other solution, the strange thing is that I have found that 
>> after a while normal behaviour is restored until the next time!
>> 
>> There appears to be no pattern to this behaviour that I can establish it 
>> does not happen on every message or on those of a particular type.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
 On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:37, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did try what Richard suggested and I still get landed back in to the 
>>> message in this case Amazons automatic message to tell me about my refund 
>>> for an item that didn’t show up which I had to buy from a third-party 
>>> seller in the end had to pay more for it though then I should’ve but that’s 
>>> a entirely different story. Nonetheless I’m still at that refund message 
>>> from Amazon no matter what I do. Yes it is getting to be extremely annoying.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
> wrote:
 
 Richard suggested doing the following let us know if it works for you.
 
 Once you have read your messages and are back in your inbox, do not exit 
 mail, but return to your home page.  Once on your home page, bring up the 
 App Switcher and then exit Mail.
 
 When you then launch Mail, are you in a message then or your inbox?
 
 I agree it’s an annoying issue!
 
 Malcolm Parfitt
 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> Well here’s a stupid question is there a workaround it other than what 
> I’ve been doing or am I just stuck with what I have to keep doing not 
> that I’m making any sense? Sorry if I sound confused.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
 On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was just 
>>> wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where when 
>>> you check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last message 
>>> you reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message in order 
>>> to see your unread messages? I know this is happening to me quite a lot 
>>> since yesterday so I was just wondering if this is a known bug or if 
>>> it’s just my phone. Keep in mind I had already backed out of the mail 
>>> message last time I reviewed it but once I’ve closed the mail app and 
>>> checked for other messages it lands me back into the message I had 
>>> previously backed out of.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Face recognition

[Lisa Belville]

Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're 
like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just 
extra taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding 
in a vehicle driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems 
more intuitive.




Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our
apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to
the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy
at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in
to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted
help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 

RE: Face recognition

[Carolyn]

I'm sorry, I was thinking of voice command. Oh yes, you do use VoiceOver to 
enter a passcode. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
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RE: Turning on spatial audio

[Richard Turner]

Open settings, Bluetooth, and on your device that supports spatial audio, flick 
up with one finger to more and double tap.
Flick through those options and spatial audio is near the last item.
You also can get a sample there.
Most likely, it will be on by default but I have not tried to turn it off there.

I have company so will give this more attention later.




Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Turning on spatial audio

So go to control center and... I'm getting something wrong as I 
have the IOS 15 update and I'm on an Iphone 12 mini.. 

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King
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
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Subject: Re: Turning on spatial audio

Hi,
If you go to control center and double tap and hold on the volume control, if 
your device support spatial audio, option should be bottom right.

Sent from my iPhone 8+

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RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Mich Verrier]

Can some one explaine how to get to those options in facetime? From Mich.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: September 22, 2021 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

Can anybody explain what the different mike options in facetime mean standard 
v. voice isolation v. full spectrum? 

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brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:47 PM
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Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

Thanks so much will be so glad to get rid of this for now. It just doesn't 
sound all that great to me. Also the command is one finger flick down from the 
top.

On 9/22/21, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> Hi what's the command to get into controle senter? From Mich.
>
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> Perfect, Gordon thank you
>
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>
> I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 
> launched wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a 
> face time call, open control center and at the top of the screen 
> you'll see something about the mic. Double tap there and you'll be 
> presented with two options, voice isolation and wide spectrum audio. 
> This is under the main control center and not the face time options. 
> It would be much more convenient if Apple had placed those options in the 
> face time options.
> On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>> Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a 
>> good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in 
>> my Airpods.
>>
>> On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
>>> Hello folks.
>>> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds 
>>> after updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the 
>>> other side sounds as if they are talking inside a very large empty 
>>> hall. I also sound to them as if I am talking inside a large empty 
>>> room after I updated to fifteen, although they are still using 14.8. 
>>> Is there a setting I must change to go back to the lovely normal 
>>> sound of the familiar FaceTime.
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Star Gazer]

Can anybody explain what the different mike options in facetime mean standard 
v. voice isolation v. full spectrum? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:47 PM
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Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

Thanks so much will be so glad to get rid of this for now. It just doesn't 
sound all that great to me. Also the command is one finger flick down from the 
top.

On 9/22/21, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> Hi what's the command to get into controle senter? From Mich.
>
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> Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15
>
> Perfect, Gordon thank you
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15
>
> I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 
> launched wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a 
> face time call, open control center and at the top of the screen 
> you'll see something about the mic. Double tap there and you'll be 
> presented with two options, voice isolation and wide spectrum audio. 
> This is under the main control center and not the face time options. 
> It would be much more convenient if Apple had placed those options in the 
> face time options.
> On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>> Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a 
>> good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in 
>> my Airpods.
>>
>> On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
>>> Hello folks.
>>> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds 
>>> after updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the 
>>> other side sounds as if they are talking inside a very large empty 
>>> hall. I also sound to them as if I am talking inside a large empty 
>>> room after I updated to fifteen, although they are still using 14.8. 
>>> Is there a setting I must change to go back to the lovely normal 
>>> sound of the familiar FaceTime.
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[lenron brown]

Thanks so much will be so glad to get rid of this for now. It just
doesn't sound all that great to me. Also the command is one finger
flick down from the top.

On 9/22/21, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> Hi what's the command to get into controle senter? From Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Gazer
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15
>
> Perfect, Gordon thank you
>
> -Original Message-
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> Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15
>
> I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 launched
> wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a face time call,
> open control center and at the top of the screen you'll see something about
> the mic. Double tap there and you'll be presented with two options, voice
> isolation and wide spectrum audio. This is under the main control center and
> not the face time options. It would be much more convenient if Apple had
> placed those options in the face time options.
> On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>> Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a
>> good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in my
>> Airpods.
>>
>> On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
>>> Hello folks.
>>> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds
>>> after updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the other
>>> side sounds as if they are talking inside a very large empty hall. I
>>> also sound to them as if I am talking inside a large empty room after
>>> I updated to fifteen, although they are still using 14.8. Is there a
>>> setting I must change to go back to the lovely normal sound of the
>>> familiar FaceTime.
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Ios15 question

[Alex Stone]

I read somewhere that in ios15, on devices that support 5g, there’s supposed to 
be a setting that allows you to use either 5g or Wi-Fi, depending which is the 
better signal. I can’t find this anywhere. Does anyone know how to do this 
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RE: Turning on spatial audio

[Star Gazer]

So go to control center and... I'm getting something wrong as I 
have the IOS 15 update and I'm on an Iphone 12 mini.. 

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King
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Turning on spatial audio

Hi,
If you go to control center and double tap and hold on the volume control, if 
your device support spatial audio, option should be bottom right.

Sent from my iPhone 8+

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RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Mich Verrier]

Hi what's the command to get into controle senter? From Mich.

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Sent: September 22, 2021 3:28 PM
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Subject: RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

Perfect, Gordon thank you 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
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Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 launched 
wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a face time call, open 
control center and at the top of the screen you'll see something about the mic. 
Double tap there and you'll be presented with two options, voice isolation and 
wide spectrum audio. This is under the main control center and not the face 
time options. It would be much more convenient if Apple had placed those 
options in the face time options.
On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a 
> good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in my 
> Airpods.
>
> On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
>> Hello folks.
>> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds 
>> after updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the other 
>> side sounds as if they are talking inside a very large empty hall. I 
>> also sound to them as if I am talking inside a large empty room after 
>> I updated to fifteen, although they are still using 14.8. Is there a 
>> setting I must change to go back to the lovely normal sound of the familiar 
>> FaceTime.
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Star Gazer]

Perfect, Gordon thank you 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:12 PM
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Subject: Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 launched 
wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a face time call, open 
control center and at the top of the screen you'll see something about the mic. 
Double tap there and you'll be presented with two options, voice isolation and 
wide spectrum audio. This is under the main control center and not the face 
time options. It would be much more convenient if Apple had placed those 
options in the face time options.
On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a 
> good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in my 
> Airpods.
>
> On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
>> Hello folks.
>> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds 
>> after updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the other 
>> side sounds as if they are talking inside a very large empty hall. I 
>> also sound to them as if I am talking inside a large empty room after 
>> I updated to fifteen, although they are still using 14.8. Is there a 
>> setting I must change to go back to the lovely normal sound of the familiar 
>> FaceTime.
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Issue with Mail app

[CHELA Robles]

I tried that too and that didn’t work it will have to resolve itself eventually 
I’ll let you know when it does on my end.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I wonder why you couldn't go directly to App Switcher, close mail, then go 
> back to it? 
> 
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> CHELA Robles
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Issue with Mail app
> 
> Well, I will just keep doing what I keep doing and if it resolves itself then 
> that will be that. Thanks for trying to help me out my friend. Greatly 
> appreciate it. Have a great day! At least dictation has improved some on my 
> end. I do have a question though when composing a message at the top I do see 
> something called a sheet grabber. What is that? This is within the mail app 
> by the way.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know of no other solution, the strange thing is that I have found that 
>> after a while normal behaviour is restored until the next time!
>> 
>> There appears to be no pattern to this behaviour that I can establish it 
>> does not happen on every message or on those of a particular type.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
 On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:37, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did try what Richard suggested and I still get landed back in to the 
>>> message in this case Amazons automatic message to tell me about my refund 
>>> for an item that didn’t show up which I had to buy from a third-party 
>>> seller in the end had to pay more for it though then I should’ve but that’s 
>>> a entirely different story. Nonetheless I’m still at that refund message 
>>> from Amazon no matter what I do. Yes it is getting to be extremely annoying.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
> wrote:
 
 Richard suggested doing the following let us know if it works for you.
 
 Once you have read your messages and are back in your inbox, do not exit 
 mail, but return to your home page.  Once on your home page, bring up the 
 App Switcher and then exit Mail.
 
 When you then launch Mail, are you in a message then or your inbox?
 
 I agree it’s an annoying issue!
 
 Malcolm Parfitt
 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> Well here’s a stupid question is there a workaround it other than what 
> I’ve been doing or am I just stuck with what I have to keep doing not 
> that I’m making any sense? Sorry if I sound confused.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
 On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was just 
>>> wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where when 
>>> you check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last message 
>>> you reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message in order 
>>> to see your unread messages? I know this is happening to me quite a lot 
>>> since yesterday so I was just wondering if this is a known bug or if 
>>> it’s just my phone. Keep in mind I had already backed out of the mail 
>>> message last time I reviewed it but once I’ve closed the mail app and 
>>> checked for other messages it lands me back into the message I had 
>>> previously backed out of.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Turning on spatial audio

[Kayla King]

Hi,
If you go to control center and double tap and hold on the volume control, if 
your device support spatial audio, option should be bottom right.

Sent from my iPhone 8+

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> How do I turn spatial audio? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Gordon]

I'll show you how to get your normal face time sound back. When 15 
launched wide spectrum audio mode is active by default. While in a face 
time call, open control center and at the top of the screen you'll see 
something about the mic. Double tap there and you'll be presented with 
two options, voice isolation and wide spectrum audio. This is under the 
main control center and not the face time options. It would be much more 
convenient if Apple had placed those options in the face time options.

On 9/22/2021 1:46 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a
good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in my
Airpods.

On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:

Hello folks.
Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds after
updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the other side sounds
as if they are talking inside a very large empty hall. I also sound to them
as if I am talking inside a large empty room after I updated to fifteen,
although they are still using 14.8. Is there a setting I must change to go
back to the lovely normal sound of the familiar FaceTime.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Face recognition

[Richard Turner]

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover? 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 
>
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RE: Face recognition

[Star Gazer]

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
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Re: Face recognition

[Lisa Belville]

Thanks, Carolyn.  I feel much better about setting Face ID up now.


Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 1:54 PM, Carolyn wrote:

You are right about it, Lisa.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lisa Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.  Just to clarify:  To set up Facial verification, you need to have a pass 
code.  But the only time you would use the pass code as the default way to 
unlock your phone is if the phone has to be restarted, or if the Face ID fails 
for some reason.  Is this correct?  In other words, you wouldn't need to use 
the pass code constantly to unlock the phone unless it was restarted or if 
there was an issue with the Face ID?


I'm guessing this is how it works, but I want to be sure as I'm thinking of 
setting it up myself and yes, I have no desire to enter a pass code every time 
I unlock my phone.


Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 11:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

If you ever update your phone it reboots and after it reboots you have to enter 
your passcode.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: September 22, 2021 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Carolyn
Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our
apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to
the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy
at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in
to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do 

RE: Face recognition

[Carolyn]

You are right about it, Lisa. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lisa Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.  Just to clarify:  To set up Facial verification, you need to have a pass 
code.  But the only time you would use the pass code as the default way to 
unlock your phone is if the phone has to be restarted, or if the Face ID fails 
for some reason.  Is this correct?  In other words, you wouldn't need to use 
the pass code constantly to unlock the phone unless it was restarted or if 
there was an issue with the Face ID?


I'm guessing this is how it works, but I want to be sure as I'm thinking of 
setting it up myself and yes, I have no desire to enter a pass code every time 
I unlock my phone.


Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 11:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> If you ever update your phone it reboots and after it reboots you have to 
> enter your passcode.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 22, 2021 9:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
> would not want to do that.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
>
> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
>> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Face recognition
>>
>> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I 

RE: Issue with Mail app

[Carolyn]

I wonder why you couldn't go directly to App Switcher, close mail, then go back 
to it? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
CHELA Robles
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Issue with Mail app

Well, I will just keep doing what I keep doing and if it resolves itself then 
that will be that. Thanks for trying to help me out my friend. Greatly 
appreciate it. Have a great day! At least dictation has improved some on my 
end. I do have a question though when composing a message at the top I do see 
something called a sheet grabber. What is that? This is within the mail app by 
the way.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> I know of no other solution, the strange thing is that I have found that 
> after a while normal behaviour is restored until the next time!
> 
> There appears to be no pattern to this behaviour that I can establish it does 
> not happen on every message or on those of a particular type.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:37, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> 
>> I did try what Richard suggested and I still get landed back in to the 
>> message in this case Amazons automatic message to tell me about my refund 
>> for an item that didn’t show up which I had to buy from a third-party seller 
>> in the end had to pay more for it though then I should’ve but that’s a 
>> entirely different story. Nonetheless I’m still at that refund message from 
>> Amazon no matter what I do. Yes it is getting to be extremely annoying.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richard suggested doing the following let us know if it works for you.
>>> 
>>> Once you have read your messages and are back in your inbox, do not exit 
>>> mail, but return to your home page.  Once on your home page, bring up the 
>>> App Switcher and then exit Mail.
>>> 
>>> When you then launch Mail, are you in a message then or your inbox?
>>> 
>>> I agree it’s an annoying issue!
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
 
 Well here’s a stupid question is there a workaround it other than what 
 I’ve been doing or am I just stuck with what I have to keep doing not that 
 I’m making any sense? Sorry if I sound confused.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was just 
>> wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where when you 
>> check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last message you 
>> reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message in order to see 
>> your unread messages? I know this is happening to me quite a lot since 
>> yesterday so I was just wondering if this is a known bug or if it’s just 
>> my phone. Keep in mind I had already backed out of the mail message last 
>> time I reviewed it but once I’ve closed the mail app and checked for 
>> other messages it lands me back into the message I had previously backed 
>> out of.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Face recognition

[Lisa Belville]

Hi.  Just to clarify:  To set up Facial verification, you need to have a 
pass code.  But the only time you would use the pass code as the default 
way to unlock your phone is if the phone has to be restarted, or if the 
Face ID fails for some reason.  Is this correct?  In other words, you 
wouldn't need to use the pass code constantly to unlock the phone unless 
it was restarted or if there was an issue with the Face ID?



I'm guessing this is how it works, but I want to be sure as I'm thinking 
of setting it up myself and yes, I have no desire to enter a pass code 
every time I unlock my phone.



Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 11:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

If you ever update your phone it reboots and after it reboots you have to enter 
your passcode.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 22, 2021 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our
apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to
the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy
at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in
to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted
help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 

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Re: FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[lenron brown]

Ah so it's not just me. Sometimes yes the sound is weird and not in a
good way. Also I guess I also seem to sound strange unless I put in my
Airpods.

On 9/22/21, Cris Ali  wrote:
> Hello folks.
> Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds after
> updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the other side sounds
> as if they are talking inside a very large empty hall. I also sound to them
> as if I am talking inside a large empty room after I updated to fifteen,
> although they are still using 14.8. Is there a setting I must change to go
> back to the lovely normal sound of the familiar FaceTime.
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>
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RE: Since updating

[Carolyn]

I checked it, and with the phone in my pocket, Hay Siri did not work; I have an 
iPhone 11. Then, I got it out, went into My information and went through Siri. 
It looked OK. I asked a question with it laying on the desk, and Siri 
responded. 

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Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Since updating

With IOS15, hay Siri doesn't work on locked screen on my SE20.

Also I have to turn off vibration, which I don't want to do, or else the touch 
screen goes all weird in a way I can't explain.  I will get in touch with Apple 
accessibility in a bit when other more pressing problems they get will die down.



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Re: In Reply To: Since updating

[Julian]

Hi,

Below is the contact info for Apple Accessibility.
Email: accessibil...@apple.com
Phone: 877-204-3930
Hope that helps.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 11:35 AM, 'Pat Marshall' via VIPhone 
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> hi,
> 
> 
> can someone give me the email or phone number of Apple Accessibility please.  
> thanks.
> 
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> Pat M 
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In Reply To: Since updating

['Pat Marshall' via VIPhone]

hi,


can someone give me the email or phone number of Apple Accessibility please.  
thanks.





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Re: Issue with Mail app

[CHELA Robles]

Well, I will just keep doing what I keep doing and if it resolves itself then 
that will be that. Thanks for trying to help me out my friend. Greatly 
appreciate it. Have a great day! At least dictation has improved some on my 
end. I do have a question though when composing a message at the top I do see 
something called a sheet grabber. What is that? This is within the mail app by 
the way.

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> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> I know of no other solution, the strange thing is that I have found that 
> after a while normal behaviour is restored until the next time!
> 
> There appears to be no pattern to this behaviour that I can establish it does 
> not happen on every message or on those of a particular type.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:37, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> 
>> I did try what Richard suggested and I still get landed back in to the 
>> message in this case Amazons automatic message to tell me about my refund 
>> for an item that didn’t show up which I had to buy from a third-party seller 
>> in the end had to pay more for it though then I should’ve but that’s a 
>> entirely different story. Nonetheless I’m still at that refund message from 
>> Amazon no matter what I do. Yes it is getting to be extremely annoying.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richard suggested doing the following let us know if it works for you.
>>> 
>>> Once you have read your messages and are back in your inbox, do not exit 
>>> mail, but return to your home page.  Once on your home page, bring up the 
>>> App Switcher and then exit Mail.
>>> 
>>> When you then launch Mail, are you in a message then or your inbox?
>>> 
>>> I agree it’s an annoying issue!
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
 
 Well here’s a stupid question is there a workaround it other than what 
 I’ve been doing or am I just stuck with what I have to keep doing not that 
 I’m making any sense? Sorry if I sound confused.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was just 
>> wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where when you 
>> check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last message you 
>> reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message in order to see 
>> your unread messages? I know this is happening to me quite a lot since 
>> yesterday so I was just wondering if this is a known bug or if it’s just 
>> my phone. Keep in mind I had already backed out of the mail message last 
>> time I reviewed it but once I’ve closed the mail app and checked for 
>> other messages it lands me back into the message I had previously backed 
>> out of.
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Turning on spatial audio

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How do I turn spatial audio? 

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FaceTime sound is horrible on iOS 15

[Cris Ali]

Hello folks.
Have any of you noticed a major change in the way FaceTime sounds after 
updating to iOS 15? The voice of the other persons on the other side sounds as 
if they are talking inside a very large empty hall. I also sound to them as if 
I am talking inside a large empty room after I updated to fifteen, although 
they are still using 14.8. Is there a setting I must change to go back to the 
lovely normal sound of the familiar FaceTime.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions. 

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Re: For anyone using VoiceOver clock?t didn’t talk at noon

[Gerardo Corripio]

Great! I’ll keep the list posted then. No wonder I never heard the time speak! 
I had notifications off.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 22 sep 2021, a la(s) 1:00 p.m., Malcolm Parfitt  
> escribió:
> 
> If you have an Apple Watch and are wearing it, you will get a notification 
> via the Watch rather than spoken output from your iPhone.  That is why I turn 
> notifications off for VoiceClock from within the Watch App.
> 
> If you don’t have an Apple Watch and have notifications set to anything other 
> than sounds for VoiceClock on your iPhone then VoiceOver may talk at the same 
> time as VoiceClock’s spoken output.  I have notifications set to sounds only 
> for that reason.
> 
> Yes, VoiceClock’s speech can sound at the same times as other output without 
> problems.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:50, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>> So turning on the notifications isn’t necessary, except for if you’ve got 
>> an Apple Watch? Also can you be listening to Whataspp messages and the like 
>> (with Talkin clock2) and it’d give yu the time? I’ll try having my phone 
>> without doing anything, hoping it’ll work at one. I set the interval toe 30 
>> minutes while trying it out. it’s a lot more intuitive and flexible than 
>> “Talkin Clock2”! Thanks for sharing!
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 22 sep 2021, a la(s) 12:12 p.m., Malcolm Parfitt 
>>>  escribió:
>>> 
>>> Yes, you have to double-tap the Start button on the main screen to begin 
>>> your voiced announcements.  When activated, the Start button will become 
>>> Stop.
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:08, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for recommending the Voiceover clock app! Very easy to set up, 
> but am wondering if I’m missing a setting somewhere?
> I set it up, and saved the setting for the Start and Stop time, and 
> exited; no talking at noon! So I wonder if I’m maybe missing a step 
> somewhere? Because I went back in, and on the main screen, I see a slider 
> with intervals and a Start and Stop button next to these.
> 
> Gera
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Re: For anyone using VoiceOver clock?t didn’t talk at noon

[Malcolm Parfitt]

If you have an Apple Watch and are wearing it, you will get a notification via 
the Watch rather than spoken output from your iPhone.  That is why I turn 
notifications off for VoiceClock from within the Watch App.

If you don’t have an Apple Watch and have notifications set to anything other 
than sounds for VoiceClock on your iPhone then VoiceOver may talk at the same 
time as VoiceClock’s spoken output.  I have notifications set to sounds only 
for that reason.

Yes, VoiceClock’s speech can sound at the same times as other output without 
problems.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:50, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> So turning on the notifications isn’t necessary, except for if you’ve got an 
> Apple Watch? Also can you be listening to Whataspp messages and the like 
> (with Talkin clock2) and it’d give yu the time? I’ll try having my phone 
> without doing anything, hoping it’ll work at one. I set the interval toe 30 
> minutes while trying it out. it’s a lot more intuitive and flexible than 
> “Talkin Clock2”! Thanks for sharing!
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
>> El 22 sep 2021, a la(s) 12:12 p.m., Malcolm Parfitt 
>>  escribió:
>> 
>> Yes, you have to double-tap the Start button on the main screen to begin 
>> your voiced announcements.  When activated, the Start button will become 
>> Stop.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
 On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:08, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for recommending the Voiceover clock app! Very easy to set up, but 
>>> am wondering if I’m missing a setting somewhere?
>>> I set it up, and saved the setting for the Start and Stop time, and exited; 
>>> no talking at noon! So I wonder if I’m maybe missing a step somewhere? 
>>> Because I went back in, and on the main screen, I see a slider with 
>>> intervals and a Start and Stop button next to these.
>>> 
>>> Gera
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Strange audio effect in the bard app after updating to iOS 15

[Kayla King]

Hi all,
I bought a set of AirPod Pro maxes a couple of weeks ago and they seemed to 
work normally when I read with the bard app. However, since I have updated to 
iOS 15, there seems to be a strange echo when reading audiobooks from bard.
While I do enjoy an extra echo now and then, I would like to be able to read my 
books normally without the distracting cave man effect. Does anybody have any 
idea as to how I can take this obnoxious echo away when reading books from Bard?
I have tried turning off spatial audio and it still makes no difference. It 
seems to only happen when I use my AirPod maxes and AirPod pros.
Thank you all for any help you can provide!

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Re: Face recognition

[Esther Levegnale]

if my phone is turned off and I turn it back on again, I of course have to use 
my passcode. However when my phone is locked, I unlock it with my fingerprint 
and I don't have to use my passcode, 


Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I think you can have. In Password, it has both, and whenever you get an 
> update, it is likely to prompt you to enter the one you did not enter - i.e. 
> passcode, if you have only facial ID and facial ID, if you only have 
> password. Not my problem, so I can't be sure of that. I prefer having both. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
> 
> Can you have only the face id? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
> 
> I have both passcode and facial ID. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
> 
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
> 
>> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
>> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Face recognition
>> 
>> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
>> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
>> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
>> Bob Proctor
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Re: Face recognition

[Esther Levegnale]

oh, of course you can't! I guess I wasn't thinking! Sorry about that!

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> We can't use our fingerprints on phones without Home Buttons, which I like. 
> I never missed the Home Button. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
> 
> I would imagine that you could use your fingerprint as well, right? Please 
> correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. Esther
> 
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
> 
>On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
>
> 
>You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
>As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to 
> imagine a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock 
> is at the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 
> o'clock is on the left side?
>You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of 
> the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
>All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is 
> to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
> bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
>Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Face recognition
>
>If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
>I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up 
> face ID.
>
>On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> 
>A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's 
> length.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>
> 
>Carolyn
>
> 
>Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>
> 
>apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face. 
>
> 
>The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>
> 
>the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>
> 
>at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself. 
>
> 
>If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>
> 
>Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
>
> 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
>
> 
>to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
>
> 
>help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Kay Malmquist
>
> 
>kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 
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>
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Re: For anyone using VoiceOver clock?t didn’t talk at noon

[Gerardo Corripio]

So turning on the notifications isn’t necessary, except for if you’ve got an 
Apple Watch? Also can you be listening to Whataspp messages and the like (with 
Talkin clock2) and it’d give yu the time? I’ll try having my phone without 
doing anything, hoping it’ll work at one. I set the interval toe 30 minutes 
while trying it out. it’s a lot more intuitive and flexible than “Talkin 
Clock2”! Thanks for sharing!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 22 sep 2021, a la(s) 12:12 p.m., Malcolm Parfitt  
> escribió:
> 
> Yes, you have to double-tap the Start button on the main screen to begin 
> your voiced announcements.  When activated, the Start button will become Stop.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:08, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for recommending the Voiceover clock app! Very easy to set up, but 
>> am wondering if I’m missing a setting somewhere?
>> I set it up, and saved the setting for the Start and Stop time, and exited; 
>> no talking at noon! So I wonder if I’m maybe missing a step somewhere? 
>> Because I went back in, and on the main screen, I see a slider with 
>> intervals and a Start and Stop button next to these.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Re: Issue with Mail app

[Malcolm Parfitt]

I know of no other solution, the strange thing is that I have found that after 
a while normal behaviour is restored until the next time!

There appears to be no pattern to this behaviour that I can establish it does 
not happen on every message or on those of a particular type.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:37, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> I did try what Richard suggested and I still get landed back in to the 
> message in this case Amazons automatic message to tell me about my refund for 
> an item that didn’t show up which I had to buy from a third-party seller in 
> the end had to pay more for it though then I should’ve but that’s a entirely 
> different story. Nonetheless I’m still at that refund message from Amazon no 
> matter what I do. Yes it is getting to be extremely annoying.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Richard suggested doing the following let us know if it works for you.
>> 
>> Once you have read your messages and are back in your inbox, do not exit 
>> mail, but return to your home page.  Once on your home page, bring up the 
>> App Switcher and then exit Mail.
>> 
>> When you then launch Mail, are you in a message then or your inbox?
>> 
>> I agree it’s an annoying issue!
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
 On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well here’s a stupid question is there a workaround it other than what 
>>> I’ve been doing or am I just stuck with what I have to keep doing not that 
>>> I’m making any sense? Sorry if I sound confused.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
> wrote:
 
 Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.
 
 Malcolm Parfitt
 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was just 
> wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where when you 
> check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last message you 
> reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message in order to see 
> your unread messages? I know this is happening to me quite a lot since 
> yesterday so I was just wondering if this is a known bug or if it’s just 
> my phone. Keep in mind I had already backed out of the mail message last 
> time I reviewed it but once I’ve closed the mail app and checked for 
> other messages it lands me back into the message I had previously backed 
> out of.
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Re: Face recognition

[Esther Levegnale]

I  use the iPhone keyboard to put in my passcode. Hope that helps. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've 
> never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
> 
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
> 
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
> 
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
> 
>> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
>> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Face recognition
>> 
>> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
>> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
>> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
>> Bob Proctor
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Re: do not disturb

[Kay Malmquist]

Well, My friend will look more and see if there is anything more he can do. 
I suspect he will just have to turn it on.  I really can't speak to this, 
because I haven't updated yet.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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Bob Proctor

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:08 AM
  Subject: RE: do not disturb


  Do Not Disturb has been moved to Settings > Focus as it is now just one of 
several preset focus options which are there:



  Do Not Disturb

  Personal

  Sleep

  Work



  You can go into any of them or all of them and configure them to your 
liking or add new Focus entries, for example, if you have a particular time 
each day or on certain days when you have a conference call or web 
conference you could add one called Conference Call or Online Meeting and 
configure it for the time in question to not bother you with anything or 
allow certain apps or people to get through. This is a pretty powerful new 
feature and as with all such things there will be people who use it a lot 
and others will hardly use it at all.



  Another example would be the notification summary, I personally don't have 
much use for it, but others may think it's the best thing since the 
invention of the wheel.



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
  Sent: September 22, 2021 9:03 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: do not disturb



  I just sent a message out asking about this.  My friend doesn't see that 
option anywhere.  So, where are you seeing this?


  Kay Malmquist
  kay.malmqu...@gmail.com



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  Bob Proctor

- Original Message - 

From: Star Gazer

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 7:14 AM

Subject: do not disturb



It’s still there at the top of the focus window. My do not disturb did 
not change.

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Re: Issue with Mail app

[CHELA Robles]

I did try what Richard suggested and I still get landed back in to the message 
in this case Amazons automatic message to tell me about my refund for an item 
that didn’t show up which I had to buy from a third-party seller in the end had 
to pay more for it though then I should’ve but that’s a entirely different 
story. Nonetheless I’m still at that refund message from Amazon no matter what 
I do. Yes it is getting to be extremely annoying.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Richard suggested doing the following let us know if it works for you.
> 
> Once you have read your messages and are back in your inbox, do not exit 
> mail, but return to your home page.  Once on your home page, bring up the App 
> Switcher and then exit Mail.
> 
> When you then launch Mail, are you in a message then or your inbox?
> 
> I agree it’s an annoying issue!
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> 
>> Well here’s a stupid question is there a workaround it other than what I’ve 
>> been doing or am I just stuck with what I have to keep doing not that I’m 
>> making any sense? Sorry if I sound confused.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:
 
 Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was just 
 wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where when you 
 check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last message you 
 reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message in order to see 
 your unread messages? I know this is happening to me quite a lot since 
 yesterday so I was just wondering if this is a known bug or if it’s just 
 my phone. Keep in mind I had already backed out of the mail message last 
 time I reviewed it but once I’ve closed the mail app and checked for other 
 messages it lands me back into the message I had previously backed out of.
 
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Re: Do not disturb on the lock screen

[Kay Malmquist]

Well, I hate to tell you this, but you could have do not disturb activate 
itself on locking the screen in 14.  I do this every night and I know that 
my friend is correct.  Now, to figure out why it is gone now.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:10 AM
  Subject: RE: Do not disturb on the lock screen


  You could never have Do Not Disturb come on when you lock you r screen.

  What you can do is to have Do Not Disturb on and to set it so that when 
your phone is unlocked you are getting notifications and such and that is 
still there under Settings > Focus > Do Not Disturb.

  All the same settings are still there except they added a bunch of new 
ones which make it much more configurable.





  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
  Sent: September 22, 2021 6:38 AM
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  Subject: Do not disturb on the lock screen



  Hi all,

  This question is from a friend.  Before 15 when you locked the screen you 
could have it set to turn on do not disturb.  Now they have buried all that 
in focus but there seems to be no way to do this any more, short of going in 
and turning it on before you lock your screen.  Has anyone figured out how 
to have do not disturb come on when you lock your screen automatically? 
Thanks much.


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Re: Issue with Mail app

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Richard suggested doing the following let us know if it works for you.

Once you have read your messages and are back in your inbox, do not exit mail, 
but return to your home page.  Once on your home page, bring up the App 
Switcher and then exit Mail.

When you then launch Mail, are you in a message then or your inbox?

I agree it’s an annoying issue!

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> Well here’s a stupid question is there a workaround it other than what I’ve 
> been doing or am I just stuck with what I have to keep doing not that I’m 
> making any sense? Sorry if I sound confused.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
 On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:
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>>> Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was just 
>>> wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where when you 
>>> check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last message you 
>>> reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message in order to see 
>>> your unread messages? I know this is happening to me quite a lot since 
>>> yesterday so I was just wondering if this is a known bug or if it’s just my 
>>> phone. Keep in mind I had already backed out of the mail message last time 
>>> I reviewed it but once I’ve closed the mail app and checked for other 
>>> messages it lands me back into the message I had previously backed out of.
>>> 
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Since updating

[Maria Campbell]

With IOS15, hay Siri doesn't work on locked screen on my SE20.

Also I have to turn off vibration, which I don't want to do, or else the 
touch screen goes all weird in a way I can't explain.  I will get in 
touch with Apple accessibility in a bit when other more pressing 
problems they get will die down.




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Re: Issue with Mail app

[CHELA Robles]

Well here’s a stupid question is there a workaround it other than what I’ve 
been doing or am I just stuck with what I have to keep doing not that I’m 
making any sense? Sorry if I sound confused.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was just 
>> wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where when you 
>> check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last message you 
>> reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message in order to see 
>> your unread messages? I know this is happening to me quite a lot since 
>> yesterday so I was just wondering if this is a known bug or if it’s just my 
>> phone. Keep in mind I had already backed out of the mail message last time I 
>> reviewed it but once I’ve closed the mail app and checked for other messages 
>> it lands me back into the message I had previously backed out of.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Issue with Mail app

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Yes, I have experienced the same issue since upgrading to iOS15.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:05, CHELA Robles  wrote:
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> Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was just 
> wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where when you 
> check for your mail it automatically puts you into the last message you 
> reviewed or read and you have to back out of the message in order to see your 
> unread messages? I know this is happening to me quite a lot since yesterday 
> so I was just wondering if this is a known bug or if it’s just my phone. Keep 
> in mind I had already backed out of the mail message last time I reviewed it 
> but once I’ve closed the mail app and checked for other messages it lands me 
> back into the message I had previously backed out of.
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Re: For anyone using VoiceOver clock?t didn’t talk at noon

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Yes, you have to double-tap the Start button on the main screen to begin your 
voiced announcements.  When activated, the Start button will become Stop.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 18:08, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
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> Thanks for recommending the Voiceover clock app! Very easy to set up, but am 
> wondering if I’m missing a setting somewhere?
> I set it up, and saved the setting for the Start and Stop time, and exited; 
> no talking at noon! So I wonder if I’m maybe missing a step somewhere? 
> Because I went back in, and on the main screen, I see a slider with intervals 
> and a Start and Stop button next to these.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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For anyone using VoiceOver clock?t didn’t talk at noon

[Gerardo Corripio]

Thanks for recommending the Voiceover clock app! Very easy to set up, but am 
wondering if I’m missing a setting somewhere?
I set it up, and saved the setting for the Start and Stop time, and exited; no 
talking at noon! So I wonder if I’m maybe missing a step somewhere? Because I 
went back in, and on the main screen, I see a slider with intervals and a Start 
and Stop button next to these.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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RE: Hi did they brake the hourley chimes in ios 15?

[Richard Turner]

Mitch,
The only solution is for the app developer to update their app.
 



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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 9:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hi did they brake the hourley chimes in ios 15?

Well it has to do with the app that I was using witch worked up until ios 15 
came out and since updateing it has stopt. From Mich.

-Original Message-
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Parfitt
Sent: September 22, 2021 11:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hi did they brake the hourley chimes in ios 15?

You can get your Apple Watch to chime periodically every quarter of an hour, 
half hour and hourly via the Watch App, Accessibility and Chimes.  I see no 
reason why a similar facility cannot be added to iOS.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 22 Sep 2021, at 16:10, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Mich, how is it that you get your clock on your phone to chime on the hour? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mich Verrier
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 7:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Hi did they brake the hourley chimes in ios 15?
> 
> Hi I am just wondering if they broke the hourly chimes in ios 15? I have my 
> sounds set to on the banners and badges set to banners and sounds. I just am 
> wondering what I have to do to hear the coocoo sound at the top of every 
> hour? When I dubble tap on the banners and sounds option I get alow 
> notifications and that is on then swipeing right it shows alerts alow on lock 
> screen butten alowd on notification senter it says this is selected selected 
> alow as bannerbanner stile is set to temparey. Then sounds is on. From Mich.  
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Issue with Mail app

[CHELA Robles]

Hello everybody I’m on iOS 15 and I have an iPhone 8 plus and was just 
wondering if anybody has noticed this bug in the mail app where when you check 
for your mail it automatically puts you into the last message you reviewed or 
read and you have to back out of the message in order to see your unread 
messages? I know this is happening to me quite a lot since yesterday so I was 
just wondering if this is a known bug or if it’s just my phone. Keep in mind I 
had already backed out of the mail message last time I reviewed it but once 
I’ve closed the mail app and checked for other messages it lands me back into 
the message I had previously backed out of.

Sent from my iPhone

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