RE: Welcome to Dynamic Island

[James Homuth]

That's only just started happening in 16.2, at least for me. The bright side is 
now I have a 100% reliable method of hitting the status bar. I ended up adding 
a battery widget to my lock screen because I got sick and tired of trying to 
check my battery in the status bar and missing. If I didn't just buy a pair of 
air pods, I could remove that widget now.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
Matzura
Sent: January 25, 2023 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Welcome to Dynamic Island

A couple weeks ago there was some talk on this list about VoiceOver saying 
"coupon" in certain situations. Well, here's another mystery VoiceOver thing to 
add to the list. I just activated an iPhone 14 Pro Max with iOS 16.3, and in 
several places I have heard it say "Dynamic Island empty." It says it on the 
lock screen and on the status line between the cell carrier information and the 
Wi-Fi network status information. How about that!

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RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

[James Homuth]

I did. It still wants to bounce me all over the damn place. I was also kind of 
hoping not to have to replace one website with another, but I mean if that’s 
the way it’s going then that’s what I’ll do. Just… as soon as I can solve that 
bouncing around problem.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: January 22, 2023 10:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

Give Pinafore for Mastodon a try

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I need to download one of those apps for my phone – maybe I’ll pay more 
attention to my Mastodon account then. Any accessible apps for Windows that 
aren’t the website? The thing likes to bounce around on me once I reach a 
certain number of messages scrolled.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: January 22, 2023 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I joined dragonscave.space. It has a lot of blind users on that instance. You 
can move from instance to instance, but I haven’t done this myself.

 

I use the Tusker app on IOS. It’s currently in beta. I’ve also used Mercury and 
Metatext, which are also accessible. The Mastodon app is accessible but doesn’t 
have as many features as other apps. I’ve heard good things about Toot, but I 
haven’t used it myself.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 11:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

What is a good channel to join?  If you join and don’t like the channel you 
join to can that be changed so your handle is at something else?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

The fact that Twitter is used by so many governments and organizations is kind 
of irrelevant, unless they’re contributing to Twitter’s bottom line. Elon Musk 
isn’t out to make Twitter a public square or a utility; he’s out to make it 
profitable and get a return on his investment. If governments and organizations 
bring in users which in turn bring in advertisers then this makes sense, but 
this hasn’t been the case for the last eight years.

 

I like Mastodon, but I don’t consider it a Twitter replacement. For me it feels 
more like something between Twitter and Facebook. I thin this might be in part 
due to the greater character limits on toots. I also find Mastodon to be more 
conversational than Twitter or even email, but this may just be the way I use 
Twitter. I also like the content warnings in Mastodon. It makes it easier to 
avoid inflammatory toots and gives me a chance to warn people about something I 
might be tooting. What I like most about Mastodon though, and the absolute #1 
reason I’m more active on Mastodon then I’ve been on either Facebook or Twitter 
is the plethora of accessible clients. I guess I have a pretty low bar when it 
comes to how much inconvenience I’ll put up with to participate in social 
media, and I find Mastodon clients set that bar lower than the alternatives.

 

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I’m riding the bus until the wheels fall off. So far, nothing as far as 
VoiceOver accessibility has broken or at least not that I’ve noticed. Of the 
main social media platforms, it slowly became one of the more accessible ones 
out there. Terrible that the accessibility team was let go along with a lot of 
other people, but the work they did to make Twitter very accessible is still 
there. 

Spring for the most part is still working. I’ve noticed that I can’t reply or 
retweet, but it’s easy enough to access the option to view a particular tweet 
in the native Twitter app and do whatever I want

RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

[James Homuth]

I need to download one of those apps for my phone – maybe I’ll pay more 
attention to my Mastodon account then. Any accessible apps for Windows that 
aren’t the website? The thing likes to bounce around on me once I reach a 
certain number of messages scrolled.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: January 22, 2023 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I joined dragonscave.space. It has a lot of blind users on that instance. You 
can move from instance to instance, but I haven’t done this myself.

 

I use the Tusker app on IOS. It’s currently in beta. I’ve also used Mercury and 
Metatext, which are also accessible. The Mastodon app is accessible but doesn’t 
have as many features as other apps. I’ve heard good things about Toot, but I 
haven’t used it myself.

 

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 11:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

What is a good channel to join?  If you join and don’t like the channel you 
join to can that be changed so your handle is at something else?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

The fact that Twitter is used by so many governments and organizations is kind 
of irrelevant, unless they’re contributing to Twitter’s bottom line. Elon Musk 
isn’t out to make Twitter a public square or a utility; he’s out to make it 
profitable and get a return on his investment. If governments and organizations 
bring in users which in turn bring in advertisers then this makes sense, but 
this hasn’t been the case for the last eight years.

 

I like Mastodon, but I don’t consider it a Twitter replacement. For me it feels 
more like something between Twitter and Facebook. I thin this might be in part 
due to the greater character limits on toots. I also find Mastodon to be more 
conversational than Twitter or even email, but this may just be the way I use 
Twitter. I also like the content warnings in Mastodon. It makes it easier to 
avoid inflammatory toots and gives me a chance to warn people about something I 
might be tooting. What I like most about Mastodon though, and the absolute #1 
reason I’m more active on Mastodon then I’ve been on either Facebook or Twitter 
is the plethora of accessible clients. I guess I have a pretty low bar when it 
comes to how much inconvenience I’ll put up with to participate in social 
media, and I find Mastodon clients set that bar lower than the alternatives.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I’m riding the bus until the wheels fall off. So far, nothing as far as 
VoiceOver accessibility has broken or at least not that I’ve noticed. Of the 
main social media platforms, it slowly became one of the more accessible ones 
out there. Terrible that the accessibility team was let go along with a lot of 
other people, but the work they did to make Twitter very accessible is still 
there. 

Spring for the most part is still working. I’ve noticed that I can’t reply or 
retweet, but it’s easy enough to access the option to view a particular tweet 
in the native Twitter app and do whatever I want with that tweet from there. 
Once Spring’s gone, I guess I’ll have to see how I get along with the actual 
twitter appt itself. 

I mean, Mastodon’s “ok,” but it’s like night and day as far as engagement and 
level of information. Who knows, Musk may very well run twitter into bankruptcy 
as he’s hinted at already and sell it off to whoever and it’ll end up under new 
management and structure where we’ll be able to go through this all over again. 
It’s used by  so many. Not just people, but Governments, organizations and so 
on, it’s hard to see some other platform supplant or replicate what it does any 
time soon.

There will likely be a Twitter 3.0 or 4.0, but who knows what that’ll look like 
or who will run it. Might as well just go with the flow for now. 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

[James Homuth]

Because the FTC’s going to nail him to the wall 3 months from now. I’d be happy 
to revisit it then, though.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: January 21, 2023 4:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

Why don't we all remember to revisit this say 1 year from now. Let's see what 
happens by then.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I’m 100% sure he has a plan, and 125% sure that plan will bite him in the ass. 
Anyone who tries to wiggle out of a legally binding agreement before the ink’s 
even dry has no intention of doing positive things with it when they’re forced 
to go through with it. Twitter’s going to be losing money by the summer.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: January 21, 2023 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I doubt he cares; I still think he has a plan and whatever that plan is he'll 
go through with it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 4:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

Or if he doesn't, why not boycott Twitter, hoping he'll learn his lesson? He 
won't be happy with accounts being deleted on mass, right?

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 20 ene 2023, a la(s) 10:31 p.m., Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > escribió:



I tweeted the idiot and told him to bring back the accessibility team and third 
party apps.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 9:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

My sentiments exactly, I love the Twitter app, and will always continue to use 
it. And if I have a problem, I'll go to the knucklehead himself and ask him. 
Why did you have to get rid of your accessibility people I follow him directly.

 

On Jan 20, 2023, at 10:33 AM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

As long as official the official Twitter app remains accessible, I don't plan 
on going anywhere. Dont be so harsh! The app might have its issues (adds for 
instance), but it's accessible. Look at Facebook, with no 3rd party apps, and 
how many blind people are still using it.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 20 ene 2023, a la(s) 10:10 a.m., Feliciano Godoy mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> > escribió:

 Twitter is just fine. What’s your source for them firing their accessibility 
team? Just because Twitter doesn’t allow third-party apps to be utilized 
doesn’t  mean that it’s a bad company. 

Many companies do you things how they want. Look at Apple.

 

Feliciano 

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On Jan 19, 2023, at 8:54 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If you haven’t already done it, get the hell off of Twitter! They fired their 
accessibility team. Now they have officially said no more third-party clients. 
So if you ever thought Twitter was worth anything, now it’s not. It’s all about 
Elon and his stupidity. Get out!

Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

AppleInsider  /  n...@appleinsider.com <mailto:n...@appleinsider.com>  (Amber 
Neely)

 

 <https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/52478-104792-twitter-xl.jpg> 

Twitter has updated its developer agreement to explicitly prohibit third-party 
app makers from creating their own clients using the company's API.

On Thursday, Twitter updated its developer's agreement with a clause 
prohibiting app developers from making their own Twitter clients.

The change comes a few days after developers began reporting 
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/01/16/twitter-frustrating-developers-as-it-

RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

[James Homuth]

I’m 100% sure he has a plan, and 125% sure that plan will bite him in the ass. 
Anyone who tries to wiggle out of a legally binding agreement before the ink’s 
even dry has no intention of doing positive things with it when they’re forced 
to go through with it. Twitter’s going to be losing money by the summer.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: January 21, 2023 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

I doubt he cares; I still think he has a plan and whatever that plan is he'll 
go through with it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 4:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

Or if he doesn't, why not boycott Twitter, hoping he'll learn his lesson? He 
won't be happy with accounts being deleted on mass, right?

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 20 ene 2023, a la(s) 10:31 p.m., Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > escribió:



I tweeted the idiot and told him to bring back the accessibility team and third 
party apps.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 9:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

 

My sentiments exactly, I love the Twitter app, and will always continue to use 
it. And if I have a problem, I'll go to the knucklehead himself and ask him. 
Why did you have to get rid of your accessibility people I follow him directly.





On Jan 20, 2023, at 10:33 AM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

As long as official the official Twitter app remains accessible, I don't plan 
on going anywhere. Dont be so harsh! The app might have its issues (adds for 
instance), but it's accessible. Look at Facebook, with no 3rd party apps, and 
how many blind people are still using it.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel





El 20 ene 2023, a la(s) 10:10 a.m., Feliciano Godoy mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> > escribió:

 Twitter is just fine. What’s your source for them firing their accessibility 
team? Just because Twitter doesn’t allow third-party apps to be utilized 
doesn’t  mean that it’s a bad company. 

Many companies do you things how they want. Look at Apple.

 

Feliciano 

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On Jan 19, 2023, at 8:54 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If you haven’t already done it, get the hell off of Twitter! They fired their 
accessibility team. Now they have officially said no more third-party clients. 
So if you ever thought Twitter was worth anything, now it’s not. It’s all about 
Elon and his stupidity. Get out!

Twitter officially kills off all third-party client apps

AppleInsider  /  n...@appleinsider.com   (Amber 
Neely)





  

Twitter has updated its developer agreement to explicitly prohibit third-party 
app makers from creating their own clients using the company's API.

On Thursday, Twitter updated its developer's agreement with a clause 
prohibiting app developers from making their own Twitter clients.

The change comes a few days after developers began reporting 

  their apps no longer worked.

The "restrictions" section of Twitter's development agreement has been expanded 
to help "enforce its long-standing API rules," according to the company's 
development Twitter account. It noted that, as a result, some apps might not 
work.

Twitter is enforcing its long-standing API rules. That may result in some apps 
not working.

— Twitter Dev (@TwitterDev) January 17, 2023 
 

 

However, as Engadget points out, 

  it does not align with the company's history. Third-party apps have been 
central to Twitter use for most of the social media platform's history.

Twitterific, for example, has been a crucial part of Twitter's history since 
the beginning. Twitterific had a native iOS app before Twitter did 

RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

[James Homuth]

Because that doesn’t prevent Face ID from firing when it wakes, which is what I 
want to do.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: December 9, 2022 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

Why not set it 
on the raise to wake setting? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

I mean, you can. But every time the phone wakes, Face ID fires. That’s what I 
want to turn off if possible – because just because I woke the thing up doesn’t 
mean I want to do more than make it repeat itself. If I need to just make sure 
I unlock it first, then… I mean… I will, but if I don’t have to, then why?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca> 
Sent: December 7, 2022 4:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

Hmm this is a good question I wonder if you could use a combination of face id 
and pin? Since I have a I phone 8 but am planning to get a I phone 14 prow in 
the new year. It would be good if you had a choice of using face id and pin in 
combination with one another. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: December 7, 2022 3:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

Hey again, folks. Thanks for the help with my last Face ID question. Mostly I 
think it’s just going to be getting used to it. Speaking of that, I’m wondering 
if there’s a way I can prevent Face ID from being the default – right now, the 
iPhone assumes I want to unlock my phone when it wakes, which results in Face 
ID trying to fire off. So for example, my phone will go off while I’m busy 
doing something, so when I’m free I decide to check it out to see what it said 
in case, you know, something at work is on fire and I need to be not doing the 
thing I’m doing. So I pull up my notifications, and Face ID fires off. But 
because I’m not intending to unlock my phone but only check to see what I 
missed, Face ID inevitably fails because I don’t have it in a good position for 
it to succeed—why would I if I only want to check my notifications? Besides 
waring earbuds or something, which makes no sense if I’m the only one in the 
place and so my phone isn’t disturbing anyone, is there a way I can set my 
phone to only try to unlock it with my face when I tell it to? Otherwise, Face 
ID is probably going to continue to misfire and end up disabling itself after 5 
failed attempts that I didn’t want to be attempts. Again, if I’m missing 
something obvious feel free to whap me upside the head with it. Thanks for the 
help!

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RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

[James Homuth]

If it fails to recognize your face after 5 attempts, it requires a passcode to 
unlock your phone and reenable Face ID. Which is perfectly fine, if 4 of those 
5 attempts weren’t Face ID firing when I didn’t want it to.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: December 7, 2022 12:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

And if your face isn’t recognized you can still review your lock screen, and it 
won’t fire off again unless you slide up from the bottom of the screen. You 
don’t need to worry about anything like your data being wiped because it didn’t 
recognize your face after five or ten attempts.

 

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

But then he won't be able to unlock his phone using Face Id at all.

Even if Face Id recognizes your face it won't take you to the home screen 
unless you swipe up from the bottom. I just tried several times both by tapping 
my screen (I have tap to wake enabled) as well as using the side button to wake 
up my phone.

If I look directly at my locked phone and press the side button I hear the tone 
that Face I d has done its thing, but I am still on the lock screen where I can 
review all my notifications and only when I swipe up from the bottom am I taken 
to the home screen. So yes, the phone has unlocked, but if all you want to do 
is review a notification you can do so and then either press the side button to 
lock the phone again or leave it to lock automatically.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 7:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

Hi James, 

 

You should go to Settings, Face ID and Passcode and become familiar with the 
various settings found within that screen. At the top is a heading Use Face ID 
for and the first item under it is Unlock iPhone. You might try turning that 
off to see if you get the desired result. 

 

Alan Lemly 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Dec 7, 2022, at 2:02 AM, James Homuth mailto:ja...@the-jdh.com> > wrote:



Hey again, folks. Thanks for the help with my last Face ID question. Mostly I 
think it’s just going to be getting used to it. Speaking of that, I’m wondering 
if there’s a way I can prevent Face ID from being the default – right now, the 
iPhone assumes I want to unlock my phone when it wakes, which results in Face 
ID trying to fire off. So for example, my phone will go off while I’m busy 
doing something, so when I’m free I decide to check it out to see what it said 
in case, you know, something at work is on fire and I need to be not doing the 
thing I’m doing. So I pull up my notifications, and Face ID fires off. But 
because I’m not intending to unlock my phone but only check to see what I 
missed, Face ID inevitably fails because I don’t have it in a good position for 
it to succeed—why would I if I only want to check my notifications? Besides 
waring earbuds or something, which makes no sense if I’m the only one in the 
place and so my phone isn’t disturbing anyone, is there a way I can set my 
phone to only try to unlock it with my face when I tell it to? Otherwise, Face 
ID is probably going to continue to misfire and end up disabling itself after 5 
failed attempts that I didn’t want to be attempts. Again, if I’m missing 
something obvious feel free to whap me upside the head with it. Thanks for the 
help!

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RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

[James Homuth]

Yeah, I've done that. Thanks for confirming. That's how I discovered the thing 
in my other thread. LOL

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: December 7, 2022 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

You will definitely have better luck if you disable attention. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Homuth
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

Do you keep the "require attention" setting disabled, or did you end up 
enabling that? At the moment, I seem to be having more success with that 
setting disabled.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: December 6, 2022 12:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

Using face ID is something that will take some practice.  I have the phone kind 
of on my left leg, and kind of turn my head towards the phone and it usually 
works.  However, I use my Hable bluetooth keyboard most of the time to unlock 
my phone with my passcode.  I use my face ID for my crecdit card and paypal 
apps.

On 12/5/22, James Homuth  wrote:
> That’s the weird part. Setup seemed to go okay for me, except for once 
> when my head was down a little too far. It corrected me and I didn’t 
> appear to have a problem.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> tony k5twz.com
> Sent: December 5, 2022 11:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?
>
>
>
> I was having trouble setting it up the first time.  A friend held the 
> phone and moved it slowly around my face from different angles.
> Haven’t had a problem since.
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of James Homuth
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> Subject: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?
>
>
>
> Yup, me again, with what I’m sure is another question that was 
> answered when modern phones came out. What tricks are people using for 
> successfully and consistently getting Face ID to succeed? It seems to 
> enjoy failing on me on a regular basis and I end up resorting to the 
> passcode. Which, I mean, I don’t mind… but after using Touch ID for 
> years I’ve gotten lazy. What am I not doing correctly?
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RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

[James Homuth]

Hi Alan,

 

Thanks for that. I’m familiar with that setting. The thing is, it’s not that I 
never want to use Face ID to unlock my phone. It’s that I don’t always want my 
phone to unlock when I’m using it. If I can do a thing without unlocking it, 
like read the weather warning I’m under right now, then I see no reason to 
unlock it. Now, if turning off Face ID is the only way to stop the iPhone from 
trying to unlock every time I wake it, then I mean that’s what I’ll do. I’d 
just rather not have to.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: December 7, 2022 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

Hi James, 

 

You should go to Settings, Face ID and Passcode and become familiar with the 
various settings found within that screen. At the top is a heading Use Face ID 
for and the first item under it is Unlock iPhone. You might try turning that 
off to see if you get the desired result. 

 

Alan Lemly 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 7, 2022, at 2:02 AM, James Homuth mailto:ja...@the-jdh.com> > wrote:



Hey again, folks. Thanks for the help with my last Face ID question. Mostly I 
think it’s just going to be getting used to it. Speaking of that, I’m wondering 
if there’s a way I can prevent Face ID from being the default – right now, the 
iPhone assumes I want to unlock my phone when it wakes, which results in Face 
ID trying to fire off. So for example, my phone will go off while I’m busy 
doing something, so when I’m free I decide to check it out to see what it said 
in case, you know, something at work is on fire and I need to be not doing the 
thing I’m doing. So I pull up my notifications, and Face ID fires off. But 
because I’m not intending to unlock my phone but only check to see what I 
missed, Face ID inevitably fails because I don’t have it in a good position for 
it to succeed—why would I if I only want to check my notifications? Besides 
waring earbuds or something, which makes no sense if I’m the only one in the 
place and so my phone isn’t disturbing anyone, is there a way I can set my 
phone to only try to unlock it with my face when I tell it to? Otherwise, Face 
ID is probably going to continue to misfire and end up disabling itself after 5 
failed attempts that I didn’t want to be attempts. Again, if I’m missing 
something obvious feel free to whap me upside the head with it. Thanks for the 
help!

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RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

[James Homuth]

I mean, you can. But every time the phone wakes, Face ID fires. That’s what I 
want to turn off if possible – because just because I woke the thing up doesn’t 
mean I want to do more than make it repeat itself. If I need to just make sure 
I unlock it first, then… I mean… I will, but if I don’t have to, then why?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: December 7, 2022 4:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

Hmm this is a good question I wonder if you could use a combination of face id 
and pin? Since I have a I phone 8 but am planning to get a I phone 14 prow in 
the new year. It would be good if you had a choice of using face id and pin in 
combination with one another. From Mich.

 

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James Homuth
Sent: December 7, 2022 3:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

Hey again, folks. Thanks for the help with my last Face ID question. Mostly I 
think it’s just going to be getting used to it. Speaking of that, I’m wondering 
if there’s a way I can prevent Face ID from being the default – right now, the 
iPhone assumes I want to unlock my phone when it wakes, which results in Face 
ID trying to fire off. So for example, my phone will go off while I’m busy 
doing something, so when I’m free I decide to check it out to see what it said 
in case, you know, something at work is on fire and I need to be not doing the 
thing I’m doing. So I pull up my notifications, and Face ID fires off. But 
because I’m not intending to unlock my phone but only check to see what I 
missed, Face ID inevitably fails because I don’t have it in a good position for 
it to succeed—why would I if I only want to check my notifications? Besides 
waring earbuds or something, which makes no sense if I’m the only one in the 
place and so my phone isn’t disturbing anyone, is there a way I can set my 
phone to only try to unlock it with my face when I tell it to? Otherwise, Face 
ID is probably going to continue to misfire and end up disabling itself after 5 
failed attempts that I didn’t want to be attempts. Again, if I’m missing 
something obvious feel free to whap me upside the head with it. Thanks for the 
help!

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How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

[James Homuth]

Hey again, folks. Thanks for the help with my last Face ID question. Mostly
I think it's just going to be getting used to it. Speaking of that, I'm
wondering if there's a way I can prevent Face ID from being the default -
right now, the iPhone assumes I want to unlock my phone when it wakes, which
results in Face ID trying to fire off. So for example, my phone will go off
while I'm busy doing something, so when I'm free I decide to check it out to
see what it said in case, you know, something at work is on fire and I need
to be not doing the thing I'm doing. So I pull up my notifications, and Face
ID fires off. But because I'm not intending to unlock my phone but only
check to see what I missed, Face ID inevitably fails because I don't have it
in a good position for it to succeed-why would I if I only want to check my
notifications? Besides waring earbuds or something, which makes no sense if
I'm the only one in the place and so my phone isn't disturbing anyone, is
there a way I can set my phone to only try to unlock it with my face when I
tell it to? Otherwise, Face ID is probably going to continue to misfire and
end up disabling itself after 5 failed attempts that I didn't want to be
attempts. Again, if I'm missing something obvious feel free to whap me
upside the head with it. Thanks for the help!

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RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

[James Homuth]

That's what I thought. Yeah, VO turns it off by default if you enable it during 
setup. Sometimes I want to use my phone without unlocking it so I thought I'd 
give it a try with that setting on.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: December 6, 2022 12:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

I made sure the aquire attention was turned off before I even began to set up 
face ID.  You want to make sure this setting is turned off.

On 12/5/22, James Homuth  wrote:
> Do you keep the "require attention" setting disabled, or did you end 
> up enabling that? At the moment, I seem to be having more success with 
> that setting disabled.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: December 6, 2022 12:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?
>
> Using face ID is something that will take some practice.  I have the 
> phone kind of on my left leg, and kind of turn my head towards the 
> phone and it usually works.  However, I use my Hable bluetooth 
> keyboard most of the time to unlock my phone with my passcode.  I use 
> my face ID for my crecdit card and paypal apps.
>
> On 12/5/22, James Homuth  wrote:
>> That’s the weird part. Setup seemed to go okay for me, except for 
>> once when my head was down a little too far. It corrected me and I 
>> didn’t appear to have a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of tony k5twz.com
>> Sent: December 5, 2022 11:57 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?
>>
>>
>>
>> I was having trouble setting it up the first time.  A friend held the 
>> phone and moved it slowly around my face from different angles.
>> Haven’t had a problem since.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of James Homuth
>> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 9:33 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yup, me again, with what I’m sure is another question that was 
>> answered when modern phones came out. What tricks are people using 
>> for successfully and consistently getting Face ID to succeed? It 
>> seems to enjoy failing on me on a regular basis and I end up 
>> resorting to the passcode. Which, I mean, I don’t mind… but after 
>> using Touch ID for years I’ve gotten lazy. What am I not doing correctly?
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RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

[James Homuth]

Do you keep the "require attention" setting disabled, or did you end up 
enabling that? At the moment, I seem to be having more success with that 
setting disabled.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: December 6, 2022 12:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

Using face ID is something that will take some practice.  I have the phone kind 
of on my left leg, and kind of turn my head towards the phone and it usually 
works.  However, I use my Hable bluetooth keyboard most of the time to unlock 
my phone with my passcode.  I use my face ID for my crecdit card and paypal 
apps.

On 12/5/22, James Homuth  wrote:
> That’s the weird part. Setup seemed to go okay for me, except for once 
> when my head was down a little too far. It corrected me and I didn’t 
> appear to have a problem.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> tony k5twz.com
> Sent: December 5, 2022 11:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?
>
>
>
> I was having trouble setting it up the first time.  A friend held the 
> phone and moved it slowly around my face from different angles.  
> Haven’t had a problem since.
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of James Homuth
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>
>
> Yup, me again, with what I’m sure is another question that was 
> answered when modern phones came out. What tricks are people using for 
> successfully and consistently getting Face ID to succeed? It seems to 
> enjoy failing on me on a regular basis and I end up resorting to the 
> passcode. Which, I mean, I don’t mind… but after using Touch ID for 
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RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

[James Homuth]

That’s the weird part. Setup seemed to go okay for me, except for once when my 
head was down a little too far. It corrected me and I didn’t appear to have a 
problem.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of tony 
k5twz.com
Sent: December 5, 2022 11:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

 

I was having trouble setting it up the first time.  A friend held the phone and 
moved it slowly around my face from different angles.  Haven’t had a problem 
since.

 

Tony

 

 

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Subject: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

 

Yup, me again, with what I’m sure is another question that was answered when 
modern phones came out. What tricks are people using for successfully and 
consistently getting Face ID to succeed? It seems to enjoy failing on me on a 
regular basis and I end up resorting to the passcode. Which, I mean, I don’t 
mind… but after using Touch ID for years I’ve gotten lazy. What am I not doing 
correctly?

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RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

[James Homuth]

Do you leave the “require attention” setting disabled?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lielle 
Ben Simon ?? ?
Sent: December 5, 2022 11:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

 

Hi, the trick I doing is that: I put the screen on my nose, and far away from 
my face.

You need to get practis on that, but it worth this.

 

מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.

0509549090

לדף העסקי שלי:

 <https://www.facebook.com/transcribes500/> 
https://www.facebook.com/transcribes500/

 





‫ב-6 בדצמ׳ 2022, בשעה 5:33, ‏‏James Homuth ‏< <mailto:ja...@the-jdh.com> 
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Yup, me again, with what I’m sure is another question that was answered when 
modern phones came out. What tricks are people using for successfully and 
consistently getting Face ID to succeed? It seems to enjoy failing on me on a 
regular basis and I end up resorting to the passcode. Which, I mean, I don’t 
mind… but after using Touch ID for years I’ve gotten lazy. What am I not doing 
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Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

[James Homuth]

Yup, me again, with what I'm sure is another question that was answered when
modern phones came out. What tricks are people using for successfully and
consistently getting Face ID to succeed? It seems to enjoy failing on me on
a regular basis and I end up resorting to the passcode. Which, I mean, I
don't mind. but after using Touch ID for years I've gotten lazy. What am I
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How to make notifications more informative on iPhone 14?

[James Homuth]

I've been out of the new phone game for a while. I've been rocking the 7
since shortly after it launched. I've since moved over to the 14 Pro Max,
and they changed my text message notifications on me. Before, I used to be
able to read my text messages from the lock screen without unlocking the
phone. Now, it just says "text message". It's probably a setting I read
about and forgot since it didn't apply to me, but. How do I get the previous
behavior back?

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RE: Is there such a thing as an accessible Fitbit?

[James Homuth]

Is the Apple watch compatible with the same system the Fitbit uses for tracking 
activity? The secondary reason I thought about it is because we tend to keep a 
running score of how we're all doing. I could get an Apple watch, but I suspect 
it wouldn't be nearly as much fun.

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Kotsay
Sent: June 13, 2022 7:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Is there such a thing as an accessible Fitbit?

Hi,
No, I don't think the Fitbit is accessible. I wanged one, but none of them are 
accessible, since none of them have any voice feedback. I got an Apple Watch 
instead, which I enjoy quite a bit. 

- Original Message -
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Subject: Is there such a thing as an accessible Fitbit?

A bunch of folks in my circle are getting on the Fitbit train, and I thought 
about joining. Are there accessible Fitbit devices out there? I know the app 
for iPhone is accessible, but not sure re: devices. Pointers/info would be 
helpful. Thankya!
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RE: Having Proof of COVID Vaccination on Your Phone

[James Homuth]

Ontario.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: August 2, 2021 1:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Having Proof of COVID Vaccination on Your Phone

 

Hi James, which province are you in?

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 11:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Having Proof of COVID Vaccination on Your Phone

 

My provincial government emailed it to me.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Doug 
Sloan
Sent: August 2, 2021 2:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Having Proof of COVID Vaccination on Your Phone

 

Where did you get the proof from?

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Monday, 2 August 2021 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Having Proof of COVID Vaccination on Your Phone

 

My proof is a PDF file, so I just store it locally.

 

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Baracco
Sent: August 2, 2021 2:11 AM
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Subject: Having Proof of COVID Vaccination on Your Phone

 

I have heard folks talk about having proof of their COVID vaccination on their 
phone.  How is this done?

 

Andy

 

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RE: Having Proof of COVID Vaccination on Your Phone

[James Homuth]

My provincial government emailed it to me.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Doug 
Sloan
Sent: August 2, 2021 2:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Having Proof of COVID Vaccination on Your Phone

 

Where did you get the proof from?

 

 

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Sent: Monday, 2 August 2021 4:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Having Proof of COVID Vaccination on Your Phone

 

My proof is a PDF file, so I just store it locally.

 

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I have heard folks talk about having proof of their COVID vaccination on their 
phone.  How is this done?

 

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RE: Having Proof of COVID Vaccination on Your Phone

[James Homuth]

My proof is a PDF file, so I just store it locally.

 

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I have heard folks talk about having proof of their COVID vaccination on their 
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Authenticator app?

[James Homuth]

Hey folks,

 

I'm curious how useable/accessible the authenticator app is with VO. I'm
being required to use it for 2FA with one of the systems I need to access.
Thoughts? Appreciated!

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RE: Instacart question

[James Homuth]

It's under notification settings, I believe. I set it up once, a year or so 
ago, so my memory may be off a little.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dacia 
Luck
Sent: November 9, 2020 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instacart question

Where can you set it up so they can text you?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:00 PM, James Homuth  wrote:
> 
> You can do that in the app. Tap on your order, and you should see an option 
> to chat once it starts being shopped. Alternatively, if you have Instacart 
> set up to text you, the chat messages from your shopper will also be texted 
> to you. Reply to those texts and they'll get it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dacia 
> Luck
> Sent: November 9, 2020 3:58 PM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Instacart question
> 
> Hi, I am using Instacart for the first time today. I found selecting my items 
> and adding them to my cart and checking out relatively easy. I received an 
> email from them that says they received my order. However, now I need to be 
> able to check the status of my order and respond when they send me messages 
> if they do. Is there somewhere in the app that I can do that? Or do I need to 
> do that on my computer?
> Thanks for your help,
> Deja
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RE: Instacart question

[James Homuth]

You can do that in the app. Tap on your order, and you should see an option to 
chat once it starts being shopped. Alternatively, if you have Instacart set up 
to text you, the chat messages from your shopper will also be texted to you. 
Reply to those texts and they'll get it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dacia 
Luck
Sent: November 9, 2020 3:58 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Instacart question

Hi, I am using Instacart for the first time today. I found selecting my items 
and adding them to my cart and checking out relatively easy. I received an 
email from them that says they received my order. However, now I need to be 
able to check the status of my order and respond when they send me messages if 
they do. Is there somewhere in the app that I can do that? Or do I need to do 
that on my computer?
Thanks for your help,
Deja

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RE: Robot vacuums and the iPhone

[James Homuth]

How accessible was the process for actually getting it connected? I don't 
imagine you could do the wifi setup independently on that thing?

-Original Message-
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Doc Wright
Sent: August 13, 2020 1:33 AM
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Subject: Re: Robot vacuums and the iPhone

I'm using iroomba with my iPad.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:29 PM
Subject: Robot vacuums and the iPhone


Hey all, I hope your all well.  So here is my question, a while back there 
was a discussion about robot vacuums and apps.  Can any one tell me which 
vacuum is more accessible with the iPhone.
Thanks

Lelia

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RE: iTunes 12.7 - things missing?

[James Homuth]

Probably, but it'll end up costing you your iTunes library. Plus there's no
guarantee you'll get much use out of it if they're planning to remove
support for iTunes accessing the app store. Presumedly they can restrict
that at the API level.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: September-21-17 3:20 PM
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Importance: High


is there a way of going back to a previous iTunes version? as I also feel
like doing that, if they are going to start taking useful stuff out. 
 
Simon 
 
 

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This is why I'll  be sticking with iTunes 12.6 for as long as I can. 

And it might just be me, but accessibility at least with JAWS,  in my
opinion has gotten markedly worse.   
  

On 22/09/2017 3:34 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:


they do seem to have been taking stuff out of this latest iTunes, and must
say that I for one, am not impressed! 
normally, it comes up with my tones library, which I was going to tidy up
earlier today, as it currently contains a number of items which are either
too long for the iPhone, or are not actually there really. when I fired up
iTunes however, couldn't find a way of getting at my tones library at all.
really not happy! 
 
Simon 
 
 

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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:59 PM
Subject: iTunes 12.7 - things missing?

Hey folks. So here's a thing. It used to be that you could do things like
enable VO from within iTunes. Running 12.7 now, it looks like that's gone
missing. I'm also not seeing the area you're supposed to be able to paste
content onto your device from. Did they move it, or take it out entirely, or
am I just in need of more coffee?
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RE: Apple rumors about not upgrading over the air

[James Homuth]

There are benefits, depending on your usage, for installing iOS via iTunes.
Since the iOS image needs to exist on the phone before it can be installed
from the phone, your storage habbits may not allow you to actually do an
over the air update without deciding which app you want to (hopefully
temporarily!) delete. Considering an iTunes update first installs the OS,
then restores your data from the backup it hopefully pulled from your phone
pre-update, it's not unreasonable to assume it blows what's currently on the
phone away before doing the install.

  _  

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Sent: September-21-17 1:37 PM
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Importance: High


I have to say that I think this is rubbish. 
I generally do over the air updates, the only ones I do via iTunes is if I
get a new iPhone, want to restore from an iTunes backup, but the IOS needs
to be updated before that can be done. can't say I have noticed any real
differences. 
 
Simon 
 
 

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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:00 PM
Subject: Apple rumors about not upgrading over the air

Hi folks 
 
I want to post a short storey about someone I know that contacted Apple
about the buggy ios11.
 
Apple helpdesk would have told him not to update over the air but update
with Itunes 12.7. 
 
If you do so, most of the known bugs will not occur. Updating over the air
would result in a kind of adaptations, fixes in ios10 so that after the
upgrade ios11 will come up and install. 
If you do it over itunes, really the whole ios will be deleted and replaced
by the new one. 
I have difficulties to believe this.
What are the opinions?
Regards
Davy 



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iTunes 12.7 - things missing?

[James Homuth]

Hey folks. So here's a thing. It used to be that you could do things like
enable VO from within iTunes. Running 12.7 now, it looks like that's gone
missing. I'm also not seeing the area you're supposed to be able to paste
content onto your device from. Did they move it, or take it out entirely, or
am I just in need of more coffee?

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RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

[James Homuth]

Eh. As long as Apple gives me some benefit to plugging the phone in,
particularly to my computer, I'm probably not going to switch to wireless
charging. Okay, so perhaps you won't be able to use your computer to
download apps going forward. I assume you can still use it to download iOS,
and back up your phone. Because we all know how often Apple's updates are
the opposite of flawless, that will be good enough reason for me not to
adopt wireless charging. If Apple eventually kills those benefits, such as
only letting you update the OS from your phone, it may be time for me to
consider a switch to Android.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-15-17 2:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Hi Alan,

I assume the wireless charging pads will always have to plugged into a wall
outlet, but for me I see the advantage in how easy it is to simply put your
phone down on the pad on your side table or in the living room and it's
charging. You don't plug in your lightning cable each time you put your
phone down and maybe 10 minutes later you want to get up and walk away, then
you first have to unplug the cable and all in all it's just a nuisance. As I
said before, I think the fact the phone would be charging a great deal of
the time when it's lying on the table means you most of the time walk away
with a full or almost full battery and of course most batteries nowadays
don't care about getting charge just a bit all the time. Then of course
there is the fact that as this technology gets to be purvasive in coffee
shops, restaurants, airplanes and so on you have lots of opportunities to
charge your phone. I believe the Belkin mat delivers 7.5 Watts and as the
new iPhones all have fast charging technology (they charge from completely
empty to 50% in half an hour) I really do see how this can be a very nice
feature even if there is an initial investment.
Also, this is something Tom from Applevis brought up in their special
Podcast about the Apple event, many of us go through Lightning cables on a
fairly regular bases. I personally seem to get quite a long life out of
them, but I have broken some and certainly have bought my share of cables.
Wireless charging would mostly illiminate this issue and while the charging
pad is more expensive to begin with, you would probably have this thing for
years and years to come so vover time it may end up paying for itself.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

Well, until wireless charging is more prevalent with more competition, I
can't see much advantages from the one product I just read about. The Belkin
Boost Up charging pad sells for $59.99 and unless I'm missing something has
to be plugged into a wall outlet. I'm having a hard time understanding why
this is really all that more convenient than just plugging a cable into your
phone to charge it but I admit I've not fully researched the technology yet.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

I think even the fact I could get 3 or 4 of these chargers for my office and
at home to have in the kitchen, bedroom and living room would make a big
difference. Yes, you could have cables in all these locations, but who wants
to go to the kitchen, plug in the phone, then unplug it when you maybe go to
the living room, plug it in again and so on and so forth. If all you have to
do is put it down on a charging pad this is a totally different story. I for
one have preferred places where I put down my phone in these places so if I
had a charging pad there my phone would always be charged and I rarely would
have to worry about running out.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?

When I can charge wirelessly from a distance that's when it will really
matter to me, still a cool thing to have though so I am not knocking it.

On 9/14/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the 
> technology which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not 
> exist. Maybe it exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is 
> probably working very hard on getting this to work, but for now 
> 

RE: How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes 12.7

[James Homuth]

I assume the usual copy/paste will work as well? Also: Would I be right in
assuming the "automatically add to iTunes" folder is also retired?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: September-13-17 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How To Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch
using iTunes 12.7

Hello Everyone,  

As there are many, like me, who use both Mac and Windows, I'm posting the
following article to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing list.

The point of this support page, from Apple, is that one can continue to
manage custom media content in iTunes 12.7:

Mark

Manually manage content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iTunes

You can manually add specific content from your computer to your iOS device.

With iTunes, you can manage the content on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod by
manually syncing specific items to your device.

If you have iCloud Music Library turned on, you can't manually manage music,
but you can still manage videos using the steps below.

Manually add items from iTunes
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.Choose the content that you want to add to your device from your iTunes
library.
4.Look in the left sidebar for your device, then drag the content to your
iPhone, iPad, or iPod.

If you're using an iPhone, you can add music or videos only from a single
iTunes Library.

If you're using an iPad or iPod, you can add music from multiple iTunes
Libraries, but videos from only one iTunes Library.

If you can't manually add or remove content from your device

Check to make sure that the "Manually manage music and videos" option is
turned on:
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.Locate and click on your device.

4.In the left sidebar, click Summary.
5.Scroll to the Options section.
6.Click the box next to "Manually manage music and videos."
7.Click Apply. 

You might see a message that your device is synced with another library.
This means that you've used a different computer to sync your device in the
past, and iTunes can't sync without first erasing and replacing all iTunes
content on your device.

Manually add items from your computer

If you have media on your computer that you can't redownload from the App
Store or iTunes Store directly on your iOS device, such as custom ringtones
or iOS apps, you can drag and drop the media from your computer to your iOS
device using iTunes.
1.Connect your device to your computer.
2.Open iTunes. Make sure that you have the latest version.
3.On your computer, find the item you want to add to your device. If you're
looking for Apps, Tones, or Books (for Windows) that previously appeared in
your iTunes library, you can find them in your iTunes media folder.
4.Drag the item from your computer to your iOS device in the left sidebar of
iTunes.
  
Published Date: Sep 12, 2017

Original Article at:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201593


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RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

By now I'd imagine most of the people still on iOS 9 are on iOS 9 because
it's a better option than forking over additional cash for a new phone when
theirs works perfectly well, outside of the fact Apple has decided that no
new iOS for you. Unless you're still running a machine from nearly 15 years
ago, it's relatively trivial to get something newer than Windows XP running
on it, so there's less of an excuse for sticking with XP as there is
sticking with iOS 9. I'm fortunate enough to have a relatively new phone and
so the only thing stopping me from upgrading to iOS 11 is I see no reason to
do so right at the moment, but when iOS 13 or 14 comes out and Apple decides
I need to buy a new phone, I'll probably be one of the ones hanging back
because there's absolutely nothing wrong with this one.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-13-17 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



Certainly not in a hurry as in not in the first few days is smart, but once
the bugs are worked out where I have a well-functioning device I would
certainly want to upgrade. After all, we all know that sooner or later
upgrading is not an option and I highly doubt Apple is bringing this stuff
back to iTunes so why draw out the inevitable especially if there are other
features in the OS which might be really nice to have. I do, for example,
not understand why anybody is still on iOS 9 at this point, but I'm sure a
few people are for whatever reason just as there are some people who still
use Windows XP.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Just an added reason to not be in a hurry to upgrade to iOS 11.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn't be
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman

 

iTunes
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7
-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html> 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-e
verything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html> 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
<https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/09/itunes-12-7-yeah-right-100
735602-large.jpg> IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a
strange fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way
to manage content. But you'll have to adjust your behavior and find new
places to carry out activities you might have before. Let's go through the
changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there's nothing you can do about, so
dry yo

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

Entirely possible, at which point I'll start looking for alternatives.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-13-17 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn't be
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman





iTunes
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7
-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html> 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-e
verything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html> 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
<https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/09/itunes-12-7-yeah-right-100
735602-large.jpg> IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a
strange fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way
to manage content. But you'll have to adjust your behavior and find new
places to carry out activities you might have before. Let's go through the
changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there's nothing you can do about, so
dry your tears and let's move on. Apple doesn't let it go neatly out the
door, however. After updating, I found that 5GB of ".ipa" files-the file
format for apps-remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes
Library/Mobile Applications/). You can throw those away unless you're
nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in
macOS to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won't
consume more bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS-unless you have
multiple iOS devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or
iPad. You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won't transfer
apps from your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from
Apple. That can easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app
choices. Many users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively
modest, and this won't be as big a hit.

There's no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of
restrictions on your internet service-whether in performance or limits-you
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend
without those limits. You'll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to
restore an iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple
introduced many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with
a Mac before iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were
readily available. It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon
in the area below the playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the
navigation list at left.

 itunes 12 7 file downloads
<https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/09/itunes-12-7-file-downloads
-100735603-large.jpg> IDG 

File Transfers remains, even though apps are gone.


Other changes in iTu

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

Eh. I've updated both ways, so I mean the apps thing won't annoy me too
much. I may go considerably longer between updates than I ordinarily would,
but I'm sure the world won't end. The only thing that will annoy me is Apple
will essentially force you to redownload all your apps if you restore your
phone for any reason... such as when iOS 11.0.1 comes out. I don't have a
bandwidth cap, by any means, but Apple's cloud restoration ideas have proven
historically less than reliable (see also: problems restoring from an iCloud
backup). It's why I really, really hope the ability to back up to your
computer never goes away, though it sounds like Apple's trying to make that
slightly more pointless.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-13-17 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that
part won't be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own
ringtones.

As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven't used that to manage apps in
a long time so as far as I am concerned I won't miss it. Yes, I know that
some Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in
case a new update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates
to manual on the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you
are really concerned.

What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that
to me doesn't make much sense since certainly people in developing countries
often don't even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the
Philippines which isn't even among the poorest countries and even there
people who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the
population in terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can't afford
an iPhone and they certainly don't have a computer or a home WiFi network.

As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the
Podcasts app but why Apple won't let you manage your books on the computer
is a mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away
from iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of
things, but having some of these options surely can't hurt, either.

One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned
that Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you
will see all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will
follow suit and this new app should really make it much easier to add and
manage files of all types on your device.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman





iTunes
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7
-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html> 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-e
verything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html> 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
<https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/09/itunes-12-7-yeah-right-100
735602-large.jpg> IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.
 
Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman


iTunes
 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
 IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a
strange fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way
to manage content. But you'll have to adjust your behavior and find new
places to carry out activities you might have before. Let's go through the
changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there's nothing you can do about, so
dry your tears and let's move on. Apple doesn't let it go neatly out the
door, however. After updating, I found that 5GB of ".ipa" files-the file
format for apps-remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes
Library/Mobile Applications/). You can throw those away unless you're
nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in
macOS to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won't
consume more bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS-unless you have
multiple iOS devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or
iPad. You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won't transfer
apps from your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from
Apple. That can easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app
choices. Many users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively
modest, and this won't be as big a hit.

There's no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of
restrictions on your internet service-whether in performance or limits-you
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend
without those limits. You'll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to
restore an iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple
introduced many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with
a Mac before iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were
readily available. It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon
in the area below the playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the
navigation list at left.

 itunes 12 7 file downloads
 IDG 

File Transfers remains, even though apps are gone.


Other changes in iTunes 12.7


Ringtones are no longer managed as purchases in iTunes, but you can find
previously downloaded ones and manage those in iTunes. Apple says any
downloaded ringtones are in the ~/Music/iTunes Library/Tones/ folder. And if
you select your device in iTunes, you can click the Tones item under On My
Device to remove and add them.

In iOS 11, coming shortly, Apple will let you
 re-downloaded previously
purchased ringtones and manage them directly on the device.

 itunes 12 7 internet radio
 IDG 

You can pick what shows up in the music library sidebar, including Internet
Radio.

iTunes U content was moved to podcasts in iTunes, while Internet Radio is
now part of the music library sidebar. If you're not seeing Internet 

RE: With unlimited cellular plans, do folks usally keep or cancel home WiFi?

[James Homuth]

Yay woo. So TMobile gets to throttle your hotspot data like they would the rest 
of your cell data and call it unlimitted. Awesome. If I'm you, I'm keeping wifi.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joseph Hudson
Sent: May-04-17 9:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: With unlimited cellular plans, do folks usally keep or cancel home 
WiFi?

Actually you're wrong. T-Mobile has a unlimited hotspot plan. And I have it. If 
you have the T-Mobile one plan, you now have the unlimited hotspot. Now is for 
Verizon, Sprint, or AT I'm after sure if they have also granted this feature 
is well. I would have to do more research.
Joseph Hudson 

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> On May 4, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I'll hopefully keep my home Wi-fi, because while mobile data is
>   unlimited, tethering data is not.
> --
> 
> Devin Prater
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> 
> Joseph Hudson  writes:
> 
>> Hi Robin, I'm remember that now. I thought it was. Thanks for the 
>> small correction. And I believe it that goes with pretty much all the 
>> carriers now.
>>  Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
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>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
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>> 
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>> 
>>> On May 4, 2017, at 3:39 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On VZW, UnLimited users get About20GB or is it About22GB of Data 
>>> before VZW interrupts their Service & that only occurs during 
>>> HighDemand
>>> 
>>> Then VZW returns your UnLimited until Demand becomes High again 
>>> during the SamePeriod At 12:50 PM 5/4/2017, you wrote:
 Hello Keith, I have an unlimited plan, and in reality, you only get 
 teen gigs of high-speed Internet anything after that, is lower down 
 to a lower speed. And plus on top of that, if you do away from your 
 home Wi-Fi, you wouldn't be able to do things like have cameras in 
 your home to be used or you wouldn't be able to use your regular 
 computer and less you use the personal hotspot which again, with 
 take away from Data on your unlimited plan. So in reality, I don't 
 believe that anybody goes without home Wi-Fi.
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> On May 4, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’ve never been on an unlimited cellular plan. Just wondering if 
> folks who are on unlimited plans keep their home WiFi?
> 
> I’m guessing I would keep it, but the thought of completely cutting 
> cable has some appeal.
> 
> Thanks in advance, Keith
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RE: With unlimited cellular plans, do folks usally keep or cancel home WiFi?

[James Homuth]

Largely it depends on how unlimitted your unlimitted cell plan is. The thing
these days is to tell you it's unlimitted, but once you've past a certain
point, to throttle your connection down a few knotches. You're still not
being charged for the overage, but you're not using your full connection
either. Plus, in many cases cellular data is still slower than DSL or cable
net in the first place. Me personally, if I have the option of using wifi,
I'll use wifi. It's just generally less of a pain overall.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: May-04-17 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: With unlimited cellular plans, do folks usally keep or cancel home
WiFi?



Hi,

 

I've never been on an unlimited cellular plan. Just wondering if folks who
are on unlimited plans keep their home WiFi?

 

I'm guessing I would keep it, but the thought of completely cutting cable
has some appeal.

 

Thanks in advance, Keith

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RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

[James Homuth]

My replies are relevant to the message I'm replying to. You just do it to be
annoying.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shaf Patel
Sent: April-04-17 8:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

For somebody who spams the list with a reply to every single message in a
thread instead of reading everything and then responding to the last
message, it's strange to see why your comment on sending multiple messages
should even be taken seriously.



On 4/4/2017 8:36 PM, James Homuth wrote:
> If you send more than one message, I'm not surprised you're bumped 
> down to the bottom of the queue. I'd take my time answering you if you 
> pinged me every couple hours about the same thing either. Seriously, 
> I've never required more than one message to actually get something 
> resolved, unless it was to clarify which trip I was on that needed
resolving.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Shaf Patel
> Sent: April-04-17 8:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
>
> Sometimes. It really depends on how much you fight for progress on the 
> issue. But if you send 2 or three messages, they won't take it 
> seriously unless the ticket get routed to somebody who understands 
> what actually happened.
>
> So the answer is yes, but only if you fight for progress.
>
>
> On 4/4/2017 7:56 PM, Donna Neff wrote:
>> Drivers have assured me that they can, and will, be suspended for 
>> refusing
> to take someone with a dog guide. Can anyone verify this?
>> On a few occasions, here in Los Angeles, I've have had to report A 
>> driver
> refusing to take me with my dog. Fortunately, I tend to get many more 
> accommodating drivers than those who aren't. Of course, not allowing a 
> person with a dog guide in and Uber vehicle is totally unacceptable!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> I must say that Shaf is correct in that having to report an issue 
>>> with a
> guide dog and then getting a call in a day or two and a refund is not 
> a fix to the problem. They can be the most polite agent in the world, 
> but that doesn't solve the actual issue and I for one would want a lot 
> more if I, for example, stood somewhere in the middle of the winter at 
> minus 30 and then a driver showed up and refused to take me.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Jeremy Gilley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:29 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I have always contacted uber support directly through the app.
>>> I have always been contacted with 24-48 hours with the issues of me
> reporting service animal issues.
>>> Service animal issues I mean leader dogs, seeing eye dog issues, 
>>> guide
> issues, what ever school you come from.
>>> Personally, they are all the same with different titles lol stating 
>>> I was
> denied a ride.
>>> Always, always always always have I been contacted by an american 
>>> person
> from CA.
>>> They have always been super polite, and have refunded my account 
>>> with any
> charges that have been applied.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 1:27 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
>>>
>>> I could not find out anything as to where Uber customer service 
>>> centres
> or call centres might be located by doing a Google search. Shaf, maybe 
> you should for once provide actual information in the form of links 
> instead of just hinting that something is not factual and saying
otherwise.
>>> I would, however, be curious as to what number people called if 
>>> people
> have called. I did find an article which outlined various ways to 
> contact Uber and that article stated clearly that there is no such 
> thing as an actual customer service number which let's you speak with 
> a live customer service agent. They mentioned a hot line for critical 
> incidents and emergencies, but all other help apparently needs to be 
> requested via the website or the app.
>>> Apparen

RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

[James Homuth]

Because even if the driver cancels it still costs you $5. and I encourage
people to report drivers even if they end up taking the dog if they have to
argue with said driver first.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: April-04-17 8:53 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

Hi,

If the driver wouldn't take the dog, what was the refund for? You didn't
leave the dog at the side of the road, did you? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 7:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

As I've said before. I personally know of a couple cases where the driver
has been flat out let go from Uber for not taking a guidedog. This on top of
a complete refund.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Donna Neff
Sent: April-04-17 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

Drivers have assured me that they can, and will, be suspended for refusing
to take someone with a dog guide. Can anyone verify this?

On a few occasions, here in Los Angeles, I've have had to report A driver
refusing to take me with my dog. Fortunately, I tend to get many more
accommodating drivers than those who aren't. Of course, not allowing a
person with a dog guide in and Uber vehicle is totally unacceptable!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> I must say that Shaf is correct in that having to report an issue with 
> a
guide dog and then getting a call in a day or two and a refund is not a fix
to the problem. They can be the most polite agent in the world, but that
doesn't solve the actual issue and I for one would want a lot more if I, for
example, stood somewhere in the middle of the winter at minus 30 and then a
driver showed up and refused to take me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jeremy Gilley
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
> 
> Hello,
> I have always contacted uber support directly through the app.
> I have always been contacted with 24-48 hours with the issues of me
reporting service animal issues.
> Service animal issues I mean leader dogs, seeing eye dog issues, guide
issues, what ever school you come from.
> Personally, they are all the same with different titles lol stating I 
> was
denied a ride.
> Always, always always always have I been contacted by an american 
> person
from CA.
> They have always been super polite, and have refunded my account with 
> any
charges that have been applied.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 1:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
> 
> I could not find out anything as to where Uber customer service 
> centres or
call centres might be located by doing a Google search. Shaf, maybe you
should for once provide actual information in the form of links instead of
just hinting that something is not factual and saying otherwise.
> 
> I would, however, be curious as to what number people called if people
have called. I did find an article which outlined various ways to contact
Uber and that article stated clearly that there is no such thing as an
actual customer service number which let's you speak with a live customer
service agent. They mentioned a hot line for critical incidents and
emergencies, but all other help apparently needs to be requested via the
website or the app.
> Apparently at one point Uber had the email supp...@uber.com where one
could send an email with a question or concern, but it says in the article
that as of December 2016 (a few months ago) this email is no longer valid
and generates an auto response saying so. The article also said that there
at one point was a live chat feature which is also no longer available. For
those interested, here is a link to that article:
> 
> http://www.idrivewithuber.com/help/contact-uber-support/
> 
> I did just for the fun of it send an email to supp...@uber.com, just 
> put
subject "Guide Dogs" and asked if Uber had a policy which would make sure a
driver can't refuse me because I have a guide dog. Here is what came back,
exactly what the article said would happen:
> 
> From: Uber Support [mailto:supp...@uber.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:23 AM

RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

[James Homuth]

And especially if you've told the driver you've got a dog with you, and you
can prove it, that driver is sunk quicker than quick. As always, text
messages are a man's best friend.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jeremy Gilley
Sent: April-04-17 8:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

More then one uber driver has told me that they have gotten multiple memos
about taking riders with guides and that it is aginst the law to deny them.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Donna Neff
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

Drivers have assured me that they can, and will, be suspended for refusing
to take someone with a dog guide. Can anyone verify this?

On a few occasions, here in Los Angeles, I've have had to report A driver
refusing to take me with my dog. Fortunately, I tend to get many more
accommodating drivers than those who aren't. Of course, not allowing a
person with a dog guide in and Uber vehicle is totally unacceptable!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I must say that Shaf is correct in that having to report an issue with 
> a
guide dog and then getting a call in a day or two and a refund is not a fix
to the problem. They can be the most polite agent in the world, but that
doesn't solve the actual issue and I for one would want a lot more if I, for
example, stood somewhere in the middle of the winter at minus 30 and then a
driver showed up and refused to take me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf
Of Jeremy Gilley
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
> 
> Hello,
> I have always contacted uber support directly through the app.
> I have always been contacted with 24-48 hours with the issues of me
reporting service animal issues.
> Service animal issues I mean leader dogs, seeing eye dog issues, guide
issues, what ever school you come from.
> Personally, they are all the same with different titles lol stating I 
> was
denied a ride.
> Always, always always always have I been contacted by an american 
> person
from CA.
> They have always been super polite, and have refunded my account with 
> any
charges that have been applied.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 1:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
> 
> I could not find out anything as to where Uber customer service 
> centres or
call centres might be located by doing a Google search. Shaf, maybe you
should for once provide actual information in the form of links instead of
just hinting that something is not factual and saying otherwise.
> 
> I would, however, be curious as to what number people called if people
have called. I did find an article which outlined various ways to contact
Uber and that article stated clearly that there is no such thing as an
actual customer service number which let's you speak with a live customer
service agent. They mentioned a hot line for critical incidents and
emergencies, but all other help apparently needs to be requested via the
website or the app.
> Apparently at one point Uber had the email supp...@uber.com where one
could send an email with a question or concern, but it says in the article
that as of December 2016 (a few months ago) this email is no longer valid
and generates an auto response saying so. The article also said that there
at one point was a live chat feature which is also no longer available. For
those interested, here is a link to that article:
> 
> http://www.idrivewithuber.com/help/contact-uber-support/
> 
> I did just for the fun of it send an email to supp...@uber.com, just 
> put
subject "Guide Dogs" and asked if Uber had a policy which would make sure a
driver can't refuse me because I have a guide dog. Here is what came back,
exactly what the article said would happen:
> 
> From: Uber Support [mailto:supp...@uber.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:23 AM
> To: Sieghard Weitzel 
> Subject: Request not received: Guide dogs
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> We're sorry. You've contacted an address that does not accept incoming
email. We're not monitoring questions through this email address and this
request has not been received by our support team.
> We'd love to help out if you have an issue. Please submit your request 
> by
tapping "Help" in the Uber app or by visiting help.uber.com from a web
browser. There you'll find answers to frequently asked questions and 

RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

[James Homuth]

If you send more than one message, I'm not surprised you're bumped down to
the bottom of the queue. I'd take my time answering you if you pinged me
every couple hours about the same thing either. Seriously, I've never
required more than one message to actually get something resolved, unless it
was to clarify which trip I was on that needed resolving.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shaf Patel
Sent: April-04-17 8:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

Sometimes. It really depends on how much you fight for progress on the
issue. But if you send 2 or three messages, they won't take it seriously
unless the ticket get routed to somebody who understands what actually
happened.

So the answer is yes, but only if you fight for progress.


On 4/4/2017 7:56 PM, Donna Neff wrote:
> Drivers have assured me that they can, and will, be suspended for refusing
to take someone with a dog guide. Can anyone verify this?
>
> On a few occasions, here in Los Angeles, I've have had to report A driver
refusing to take me with my dog. Fortunately, I tend to get many more
accommodating drivers than those who aren't. Of course, not allowing a
person with a dog guide in and Uber vehicle is totally unacceptable!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> I must say that Shaf is correct in that having to report an issue with a
guide dog and then getting a call in a day or two and a refund is not a fix
to the problem. They can be the most polite agent in the world, but that
doesn't solve the actual issue and I for one would want a lot more if I, for
example, stood somewhere in the middle of the winter at minus 30 and then a
driver showed up and refused to take me.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Jeremy Gilley
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
>>
>> Hello,
>> I have always contacted uber support directly through the app.
>> I have always been contacted with 24-48 hours with the issues of me
reporting service animal issues.
>> Service animal issues I mean leader dogs, seeing eye dog issues, guide
issues, what ever school you come from.
>> Personally, they are all the same with different titles lol stating I was
denied a ride.
>> Always, always always always have I been contacted by an american person
from CA.
>> They have always been super polite, and have refunded my account with any
charges that have been applied.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 1:27 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
>>
>> I could not find out anything as to where Uber customer service centres
or call centres might be located by doing a Google search. Shaf, maybe you
should for once provide actual information in the form of links instead of
just hinting that something is not factual and saying otherwise.
>>
>> I would, however, be curious as to what number people called if people
have called. I did find an article which outlined various ways to contact
Uber and that article stated clearly that there is no such thing as an
actual customer service number which let's you speak with a live customer
service agent. They mentioned a hot line for critical incidents and
emergencies, but all other help apparently needs to be requested via the
website or the app.
>> Apparently at one point Uber had the email supp...@uber.com where one
could send an email with a question or concern, but it says in the article
that as of December 2016 (a few months ago) this email is no longer valid
and generates an auto response saying so. The article also said that there
at one point was a live chat feature which is also no longer available. For
those interested, here is a link to that article:
>>
>> http://www.idrivewithuber.com/help/contact-uber-support/
>>
>> I did just for the fun of it send an email to supp...@uber.com, just put
subject "Guide Dogs" and asked if Uber had a policy which would make sure a
driver can't refuse me because I have a guide dog. Here is what came back,
exactly what the article said would happen:
>>
>> From: Uber Support [mailto:supp...@uber.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:23 AM
>> To: Sieghard Weitzel 
>> Subject: Request not received: Guide dogs
>>
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> We're sorry. You've contacted an address that does not accept incoming
email. We're not monitoring questions through this email address and this
request has not been received by our support team.
>> We'd love to help out if you have an issue. Please submit your request by
tapping "Help" in 

RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

[James Homuth]

As I've said before. I personally know of a couple cases where the driver
has been flat out let go from Uber for not taking a guidedog. This on top of
a complete refund.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Donna Neff
Sent: April-04-17 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

Drivers have assured me that they can, and will, be suspended for refusing
to take someone with a dog guide. Can anyone verify this?

On a few occasions, here in Los Angeles, I've have had to report A driver
refusing to take me with my dog. Fortunately, I tend to get many more
accommodating drivers than those who aren't. Of course, not allowing a
person with a dog guide in and Uber vehicle is totally unacceptable!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I must say that Shaf is correct in that having to report an issue with a
guide dog and then getting a call in a day or two and a refund is not a fix
to the problem. They can be the most polite agent in the world, but that
doesn't solve the actual issue and I for one would want a lot more if I, for
example, stood somewhere in the middle of the winter at minus 30 and then a
driver showed up and refused to take me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jeremy Gilley
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
> 
> Hello,
> I have always contacted uber support directly through the app.
> I have always been contacted with 24-48 hours with the issues of me
reporting service animal issues.
> Service animal issues I mean leader dogs, seeing eye dog issues, guide
issues, what ever school you come from.
> Personally, they are all the same with different titles lol stating I was
denied a ride.
> Always, always always always have I been contacted by an american person
from CA.
> They have always been super polite, and have refunded my account with any
charges that have been applied.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 1:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
> 
> I could not find out anything as to where Uber customer service centres or
call centres might be located by doing a Google search. Shaf, maybe you
should for once provide actual information in the form of links instead of
just hinting that something is not factual and saying otherwise.
> 
> I would, however, be curious as to what number people called if people
have called. I did find an article which outlined various ways to contact
Uber and that article stated clearly that there is no such thing as an
actual customer service number which let's you speak with a live customer
service agent. They mentioned a hot line for critical incidents and
emergencies, but all other help apparently needs to be requested via the
website or the app.
> Apparently at one point Uber had the email supp...@uber.com where one
could send an email with a question or concern, but it says in the article
that as of December 2016 (a few months ago) this email is no longer valid
and generates an auto response saying so. The article also said that there
at one point was a live chat feature which is also no longer available. For
those interested, here is a link to that article:
> 
> http://www.idrivewithuber.com/help/contact-uber-support/
> 
> I did just for the fun of it send an email to supp...@uber.com, just put
subject "Guide Dogs" and asked if Uber had a policy which would make sure a
driver can't refuse me because I have a guide dog. Here is what came back,
exactly what the article said would happen:
> 
> From: Uber Support [mailto:supp...@uber.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:23 AM
> To: Sieghard Weitzel 
> Subject: Request not received: Guide dogs
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> We're sorry. You've contacted an address that does not accept incoming
email. We're not monitoring questions through this email address and this
request has not been received by our support team.
> We'd love to help out if you have an issue. Please submit your request by
tapping "Help" in the Uber app or by visiting help.uber.com from a web
browser. There you'll find answers to frequently asked questions and have
the option to submit a support request.
> We look forward to chatting with you soon!
> - Team Uber
> ---
> Need help accessing your account? Visit t.uber.com/contact-form This email
is a service from Uber.
> [N4GQ9M-EKG3]
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Shaf Patel
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:08 AM
> To: 

RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

[James Homuth]

The question has to be asked. How much of what you hear is the handler
blowing things out of proportion because the alternative is said handler
actually having to admit they oopsed? The story that comes immediately to
mind is the handler who let a Uber driver put their guidedog in the trunk,
then proceeded later on to sue Uber for it. I mean maybe I'm weird, but did
no one in that particular case latch on to the fact that for the driver to
stick said dog in the trunk, the handler would have had to willingly hand it
over? But it sounds better to just blame Uber.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jeremy Gilley
Sent: April-04-17 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

And I keep telling you, that I have never had that issue.
Every single time I complained, I have had someone from CA call me.
I have had 5 denials over the past 5/6 months.
Always were they polite and any funds that were charge, I got refunded.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shaf Patel
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

Look, I really do understand where you're coming from. But when you have an
issue where a driver refuses to take somebody who has a service animal, you
really don't want your issue met with a canned copy/paste response and a
refund of the cancellation fee from somebody in a completely different
country. That complaint needs to be dealt in the same country where the
customer is located, and not with a "sorry for the trouble, here's a refund"
message. What I'm getting at is that you have to go back and forth with a
customer service rep from some other country before actually having your
issue heard.

I've heard from so many people where both Uber and Lyft refuse to take
action against drivers who refuse to drive passengers with service animals.
It's lack of communication and an unwillingness of actually understanding
the issue.

For generic customer service, having anybody respond to your support request
is fine. But not when it becomes a discrimination problem.

Cheers.
F
On 4/4/2017 3:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> OK, fair enough, but while I am not necessarily a big fan of Uber, I 
> also
am not necessarily for or against international call centres. After all,
just about all large companies nowadays do this and I have had aweful
experiences and fantastic experiences just as I have had aweful or fantastic
experiences with customer support personal that is or was based in North 
> America. I think how good or not good the end result is depends on the
type of personell they hire in these countries, how well they get trained
and supervised. Just because a call centre is in the US doesn't mean 90% of
the staff may not be immigrants whose english may or may not be the same as
that of the staff in the Philippines or wherever. Also, the one link you
provided mentions this:
>
> Uber is in the middle of building out a global customer service center 
> in
Manila, BuzzFeed News has confirmed. This new office - which the company
calls
> a "Center of Excellence" - will house "a team of customer support
representatives and several people managers," who will service several
different markets
> globally, according to job listings the company has posted.
> The Manila office is one of eight new or newly announced centers 
> around
the world. The others are in Phoenix, Arizona; Chicago, Illinois; Hyderabad,
India;
> Krakow, Poland; Wuhan, China; Limerick, Ireland; and San Jose, Costa Rica.
>
> As you can see two of the 8 new centres mentioned are in the US and 
> one is
in Ireland, of course it would make sense that the centre in India and China
may mostly be used to service the market there.
>
> It again all goes back to making these generalized statements. I am in 
> the
retail business and sell top brand name outdoor gear from companies like
North Face, Icebreaker, Mountain Hardwear, backpacks from Deuter, a german
company which has been making backpacks since the 1890's, binocular and
rifle scopes from Vortex and Leupold etc. A lot of the products are
manufactured in China, Vietnam, the Philippines or eastern European
countries and as long as the factories used have top quality equipment and
the staff is trained and the quality control is there it is no problem at
all and these products are just as good as they would be were they made in
the US or Canada. I always think of one story of a small canadian company
who at the time prided themselves for manufacturing all their backpacks and
clothing in Vancouver. Of course the fabrics they used were from the big
fabric mills wherever and when I did a tour of their facility in Vancouver
one of my employees who was there as well told me afterwards that out of the
60 or 80 people that worked their sewing, 

RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

[James Homuth]

Location services is only useful if you want Uber to find your pickup
address. If you're specifying your pickup address anyway, turning it off
doesn't matter. The driver's GPS will use whatever address Uber feeds it.
And Uber gets that address in whatever way you give it to them.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: April-04-17 12:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

i would think that the driver would need for location services on your phone
to be turned on so he can locate you.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Kathy Brandt" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad


> Uber's address is: 1455 Market St., #400, San Francisco, CA 94103
>
>
>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 9:04 PM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
>>
>> How did you contact Uber Corporate?
>>
>>
>>> On 4/3/2017 7:33 PM, Kathy Brandt wrote:
>>> Letting you all know, I wrote to Uber corporate. Also, it seems that 
>>> when you turn off location services, that you don't hear the blipping 
>>> sound and the menu doesn't refresh. I will have to see what happens when

>>> I do my next trip..
>>>
 On Apr 3, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Jeremy Gilley  wrote:

 UBER does all this as well.
 I have not experienced any of the issues that others have complained 
 about.
 I have a Iphone 6+, and depend on VO 100% of the time.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf
 Of Andy Baracco
 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 5:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

 I much prefer Lyft. The app is accessible, and very easy to use. It now
 gives you a countdown timer when your car arrives, and a countdown 
 estimate
 of when you will arrive at your destination. If you have some vision, 
 or
 have a sighted person waiting with you, it tells you the make and color

 of
 the car, as well as the driver's name. It has been a long time since i 
 have
 used Uber because I find the experience with lyft so satisfactory.

 Andy

 - Original Message - 
 From: "Kathy Brandt" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 10:31 AM
 Subject: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad


 Is this happening to anyone else? Today I was getting a blipping sound 
 and
 the menu items were shifting. I couldn't find the contact driver button

 for
 the longest time. Are used to be able to change my destination for 
 doing a
 second stop, but now I can't. This is really disappointing when before 
 the
 app had been stable and easy to use. I went to their website, found 
 where it

 says accessibility under the help menu, and left them feedback, would 
 you
 can do after double tapping more in that menu. I suggest others do the 
 same.

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RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

[James Homuth]

Actually, and in order:
1. Guidedog users who bother to actualy speak up have seen results. Drivers
have been fired from Uber for not taking guidedogs. At a minimum, the user
has not ever had that driver again.
2. You're an idiot. One such Uber customer service center is about 5 hours
from me, in Toronto. Please, do your research.
3. This is also factually incorrect. For reference, see point 1. Again, do
your research.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shaf Patel
Sent: April-03-17 9:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

Uber drivers also deny guide dogs. Do your research.

Lyft also have a phone number on their website where you can report these
kinds of issues, htlp.uber.com is where you need to go.


The people who work at Uber customer support responding to your messages are
mostly from third world countries, not America.

Not sure how you managed to get 3 managers to call you, you must have been
lucky. But the majority of people who are denied rides due to having service
animals do you get anything besides a generic response with Uber, and also
Lyft.

"Now, all 3 managers also confirmed that when they credit your account with
the credit, they also will notify you of the drivers outcome."

This goes against their privacy policy, according to an agent. So no, that
is not factual.



On 4/3/2017 6:48 PM, Jeremy Gilley wrote:
> This is total nonsense.
> Please don't tell the list this information.
> over the past 5 months I have been denied from riders to my seeing eye
dog.
> Every single time, and I mean every single time when I reported the 
> issue, I have been contacted by uber support with in 24-48 hours.
> None of them had an accent of any kind and have all called me from Cal.
> This last time, When I requested to talk directly to a manager, I had 
> not 1, not 2, but 3 different managers 3 days in a row calling me 
> telling me how they are implementing a new system.
> Now, I don't know about other countries, but I do know that now when a 
> driver accesses the app, they have to tap ok that they will accept 
> dogs. If they don't, they don't drive.
> IF they tap ok, and they deny you, and you take the time to report it 
> through the app, and by the way, I used uber tonight and it still is 
> working great for me.
> Anyways, if they see that indeed the driver did accept to take service 
> animals, the driver is instantly let go, and the rider is given a $25 
> credit.
> I have been complaining so much that I wasn't getting the feed back 
> about the drivers and what takes place after I reported them.
> Now, all 3 managers also confirmed that when they credit your account 
> with the credit, they also will notify you of the drivers outcome.
> So, please don't tell someone to not report something because you 
> believe it will go to a different country.
> They are based here in the states, and that is indeed who I talked too.
> Thanks for reading my book, but had to tell my story.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Shaf Patel
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad
>
> Don't even bother leaving them feedback. Your feedback will be sent to 
> somebody in India who will give you a canned response and trash the 
> feedback
>
> But yes, the app is absolutely sluggish on iOS. There's not even a way 
> to rate a driver after a trip accessibly unless you're actually on 
> another trip, then you'll get the popup.
>
> I know there are people in their "accessibility" team who are working 
> on the app, but they are doing an absolutely terrible job with it.
>
>
> On 4/3/2017 1:31 PM, Kathy Brandt wrote:
>> Is this happening to anyone else? Today I was getting a blipping 
>> sound and
> the menu items were shifting. I couldn't find the contact driver 
> button for the longest time. Are used to be able to change my 
> destination for doing a second stop, but now I can't. This is really 
> disappointing when before the app had been stable and easy to use. I 
> went to their website, found where it says accessibility under the 
> help menu, and left them feedback, would you can do after double tapping
more in that menu. I suggest others do the same.

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RE: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

[James Homuth]

Am I the only one who doesn't have an issue with this change? They did it to
provide more frequent updates re: progress and such - which I, personally,
can already see improved after most of the time the driver would ping me
before the app registered he was here.

Also I don't see it refreshing at all when the driver accepts the trip
unless the ETA changes. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brent Harding
Sent: April-03-17 3:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad

In the latest upgrades, it seems like the screen is refreshing on its own
every so many seconds. It's kind of doable if you flick fast enough before
the blip sound refreshes the screen, but it's not an ideal situation.

- Original Message -
From: "Kathy Brandt" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Uber app experience getting increasingly bad


Is this happening to anyone else? Today I was getting a blipping sound and 
the menu items were shifting. I couldn't find the contact driver button for 
the longest time. Are used to be able to change my destination for doing a 
second stop, but now I can't. This is really disappointing when before the 
app had been stable and easy to use. I went to their website, found where it

says accessibility under the help menu, and left them feedback, would you 
can do after double tapping more in that menu. I suggest others do the same.

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Weirdest iTunes issue ever.

[James Homuth]

I'm not entirely sure when this started, but I finally had time to attempt
to diagnose it this morning. when I plug my iPhone 7 into my PC to
charge/sync, iTunes will come up, then hang at the syncing process for
several minutes. Sometimes the sync will finish, other times it will insist
the sync couldn't finish for reasons known only to iTunes (the only error I
get is the sync session failed to finish). It *looks* like all my apps and
everything are there, but of course given how unreliable it's been I may be
missing something and haven't the slightest idea.
 
Very probably related to this, I have iTunes backing up my phone when it
syncs. I find it more reliable doing that than allowing iCloud, given that
iCloud has been known to neglect to give me back some of my data. iTunes
looks like it's successfully backing up my phone, and the backups even
appear in the backup folder as they should, but iTunes insists my phone has
never been backed up.
 
I've already reinstalled (well, actually, updated) iTunes, and am now
running latest 12.5. I'm running latest stable iOS on this phone. I've moved
my backup folder to an alternate location, deleted the original, and allowed
iTunes to recreate it. Still having the same issue. On top of that, iTunes
hangs for several minutes when I bring up device preferences. I can do
pretty much anything else I please, but as soon as I go into device
preferences, instant hang. It corrects itself and I can be on my way, but
that tells me we've got problems. I've hit a wall, so other than spending
500 years on hold with Apple I'm hoping someone's got an idea I haven't yet
tried. If you do, that's awesome. If you don't, well, I didn't have plans
this weekend anyway.

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iOS weirdness... did Apple break something?

[James Homuth]

So my iPhone 7's been running iOS 10.1.1 since shortly after it came out.
Not the beta version, because I prefer not to break the only phone I own. I
plugged my phone in just now, and iTunes tells me there's a new software
version available. That new software version... is iOS 10.1.1. What broke,
and who's fault is it?

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RE: no home button?

[James Homuth]

Um. The home button on my 7 looks pretty much like a button to me. We
looking at the same phone?

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Sent: November-07-16 7:01 AM
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Subject: RE: no home button?

The 7 home button is just an indented round spot on the screen. Your
fingerprint still gets read there. It does seem smaller in diameter to me
than the old home button. I don't have a 7, but my sister as a newby has
one. (can you say tough learning curve!) She is in another state, so I can't
take another look at it right now.
 
Have fun!

Debby

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well, there is a home button, it's just not a mechanical home button. 
Yes you can feel it on the screen

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> functions which would normally require this button performed?
> Ray T. Mahorney
> WA4WGA
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RE: Weird iPhone audio issue.

[James Homuth]

Yes, I decided to check that shortly after I sent this message. The stupid
part: the thing was in my pocket all night. It behaved before I put it
there. I  have decided iPhones are evil.

  _  

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James, you turned on your voiceover volume. To turn this back up, unlock the
phone and test the screen, wall turning up the volume with the side buttons.
I hope this helps.

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On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:58 PM, James Homuth <ja...@the-jdh.com> wrote:

Running the latest stable iOS on an iPhone 6. I have no idea what caused it,
but at some point tonight I lost pretty much all iPhone audio. This includes
notification sounds, voiceover, everything. If someone calls me, I have
voiceover back and can hear the call, or otherwise use the phone. If I
engage Siri, then voiceover can be heard though I can't do much with it. As
soon as either I end the call or make Siri go away, I'm back to having no
audio whatsoever. I've already closed every app I had open in case something
was blocking things, and completely restarted the phone. No dice. What
stupid thing am I missing, and how painful will it be to fix without
resetting all the things?

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Weird iPhone audio issue.

[James Homuth]

Running the latest stable iOS on an iPhone 6. I have no idea what caused it,
but at some point tonight I lost pretty much all iPhone audio. This includes
notification sounds, voiceover, everything. If someone calls me, I have
voiceover back and can hear the call, or otherwise use the phone. If I
engage Siri, then voiceover can be heard though I can't do much with it. As
soon as either I end the call or make Siri go away, I'm back to having no
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was blocking things, and completely restarted the phone. No dice. What
stupid thing am I missing, and how painful will it be to fix without
resetting all the things?

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RE: Severe weather alerts

[James Homuth]

I used to use the Degrees app, but it apparently no longer exists in Canada.
It's still available in the US store, though. Now I use the weather network,
though I'm open to replacements.

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What are people using for the same thing in Canada?

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Hi Traci,
I use Weather Radio. It cost $9.99 when I got it a few years ago, but it
tracks location.
Lisa

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iPhone app store says 3 updates available, but iTunes disagrees?

[James Homuth]

Okay, so this is weird. If I poke at the iPhone, it tells me 3 apps are
available to download. Since I poked at the iPhone while on the cell
network, I wasn't about to download the offending apps there and then. I get
home, plug into iTunes, and iTunes tells me there are no updates available.
I assume it's already downloaded the newer apps in an earlier sync attempt,
so I let the thing sync figuring the updates will be transferred. However,
the phone still tells me there are 3 items available. Did I break something,
or is the left hand just not on speaking terms with the right?

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RE: Accessible App to use blackboard

[James Homuth]

Your web browser. That's really the only way.

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Hi all,
Is there a accessible app to use for blackboard on the mack?
Becky Sabo 
 On Jan 12, 2015, at 5:13 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote:
 
 Unfortunately the only app that will let you access Blackboard on your 
 phone is Mobile Learn. That's pretty intentional, if I remember 
 correctly, and even sighted folks say for the best experience, use an 
 actual computer. I personally don't use that app for anything beyond 
 notifications, since in most cases things I need to be aware of come 
 in before I have an opportunity to sit down and have a look.
 
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 Sent: January-11-15 9:04 PM
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 Subject: Accessible App to use blackboard
 
 Perhaps someone can help with this issue.  I am taking a class at 
 a local college and need to access info using blackboard.  I 
 downloaded blackboard mobile learn but it would not open a pdf file in 
 voicedream when using blackboard and some of the mobile learn buttons 
 are not labeled.  Can anyone recommend an easy to use app for either 
 the iPhone, iPad or mac to use with blackboard?  The college web site 
 has a lot of inaccessible design and I use voiceover as the main reading
method.
 
 Thanks for any help that can be offered.
 
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RE: Accessible App to use blackboard

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Unfortunately the only app that will let you access Blackboard on your phone
is Mobile Learn. That's pretty intentional, if I remember correctly, and
even sighted folks say for the best experience, use an actual computer. I
personally don't use that app for anything beyond notifications, since in
most cases things I need to be aware of come in before I have an opportunity
to sit down and have a look.

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Subject: Accessible App to use blackboard

 Perhaps someone can help with this issue.  I am taking a class at a
local college and need to access info using blackboard.  I downloaded
blackboard mobile learn but it would not open a pdf file in voicedream when
using blackboard and some of the mobile learn buttons are not labeled.  Can
anyone recommend an easy to use app for either the iPhone, iPad or mac to
use with blackboard?  The college web site has a lot of inaccessible design
and I use voiceover as the main reading method.

 Thanks for any help that can be offered.

Vicki
 

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RE: WIFI with new OS

[James Homuth]

Can't say's I've seen this on any version of 8 so far. Granted could be I've
also got a 6, but I've kept a fairly stable connection to wifi at any rate.
At least, as stable as it gets if you're me.

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Subject: Re: WIFI with new OS

i'm seeing this bug on my iphone 5 too, thank god it's not just me.
Hope apple can fix this eventually, it is super annoying.

On 10/25/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Not something I have seen or noticed on my 5S and this includes the 
 entire time since June. I have a developer account and have been 
 running iOS 8 since Beta 1 dcame out in early June. There have been 
 all sorts of bugs, but dropping my WiFi connection has definitely not 
 been one of them and this goes for both my home and work WiFi where I 
 use 2 completely different routers, a Netgear at home and a Cisco at 
 work.


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 Sieghard

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 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 12:38 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: WIFI with new OS

 I have noticed that my Iphone 5 keeps droping the WIFI and found 
 myself with an overage this month because it kept reverting to 
 cellular. I have never had an overage before. I turned off the 
 cellular and it still drops the WIFI. I go to settings and can't find 
 my network. I turn the phone off and on again, and all is well for 
 awhile. Then it will lose th enetwork and need to reboot so it can 
 find it again. Has anyone else noticed this since iOS 8?

 Thanks.

 Mary Anne

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RE: Your message in VIPhone was denied

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Guessing either Google or the mods broke something. That message was sent to
the list, not to a specific person.

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Marianne;

I got the same message -- and for what, I do not know!

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RE: turn on voice over without siri

[James Homuth]

As far as I'm aware, tripple click home doesn't actually work in the setup
screen. Again, because it's not actually enabled by default. At least, none
of the devices I've had a hand in setting up have ever had that option.

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Sent: September 28, 2013 11:41 AM
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Ah, I assumed that when you used the triple click home to start VoiceOver
during the set up process then this would be set.

On 09/28/2013 10:32 AM, May and Noah wrote:
 You have to set it up that way first it's not the default.

 May and Prince Noah
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 Can't you just use the triple click of the home button?

 On 09/28/2013 07:19 AM, Negoslav Sabev wrote:
 Hello,

 Is it possible in IOS7 to turn on VO without Siri? I mean if no 
 internet connection (Wi-Fi or 3g) is available and there is no 
 computer with iTunes installed. If the answer is no, wouldn't it be 
 great if you can turn VO on using your voice? I think we should give 
 this idea to the Apple's accessibility team. Turning on or off 
 accessibility options would be helpful for different groups disabled
users, I think.

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RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[James Homuth]

To answer Raul's question, yes I do. It gets updated when I have time to
babysit it in the event the thing breaks. But to my knowledge, Apple isn't
actually forcing the update to install on your phone, just download, so I
really don't see the problem. Granted I also don't store my life on my
iPhone, so eh.

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Well that's it you see and something I never thought about. It's a kin for
Mac and Windows updates being pushed out to respected users.


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 Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded
 also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded
 without your permission? What about those who are more technically
 challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier?

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RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[James Homuth]

I can see why Apple just downloading the update to your phone could pose a
problem if your phone already has a tiny fraction of the space it came with
left. That's valid, if avoidable by the user--just don't store your entire
life on your phone. It would be useful if Apple gave you the option of
turning even that much off. I mean heck, even Windows gives you that option.
But since that's more than likely not about to happen on account of Apple's
we know best mentality, see above.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Wil James
Sent: September 26, 2013 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.


As far as I can remember, Apple has always downloaded the update and left
the option of installing to the user.  Personally, I see nothing wrong with
this approach.



Sent from my iPad Mini

On Sep 26, 2013, at 12:08 PM, tcors...@cfl.rr.com wrote:



Well, without my permission apple has downloaded the upgraded software
apparently, but when I went into settings and saw only install, I close
settings without installing.  So, apparently it is there on my phone and
waiting to be installed.  I wish to hold out for a while so will see what
happens.
 
 
Donna
tcors...@cfl.rr.com
 
From: Crystal French mailto:rainc...@clearwire.net  
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
Well, I am still using IO's 6 on my iPhone 4.
 
I am going to be getting the 5s, but hesitate to update to IO s 7 because I
would be in trouble if something went drastically wrong with my 4.
 
Frankly, I can't imagine that Appple really cares what I do or don't have on
my iPhone 4.
 
Crystal 
 
From: Regina Alvarado mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com  
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
If this is true, there are going to be some court challenges I bet. This is
not right in my opinion. 


reggie and Allegra

On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come
with some bad news.
According to an article I'll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update
to 7 automatically to devices that don't have 7 installed yet, with no user
consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when
downloaded.
http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-
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RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[James Homuth]

Once again. The update won't install itself without you knowing about it and
telling it to. Worst it would do is just sit there looking at you. So you
could have gone on just fine with not actually installing it. Which, rather,
is exactly what I'm about to do until a proper bug fix release hits the
download servers.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dan Murphy
Sent: September 26, 2013 5:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

Well my GF didn't even actively download the update. It just said settings,
1 item. When we looked, we discovered that it had been downloaded at some
point, perhaps when her phone was idle. I wonder how much longer it would
have just sat there before it went ahead and installed itself. Apple should
be a bit more careful doing stuff like that to people.

SENT FROM MY IPHONE


 On Sep 26, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 I have no problem with legacy software not being supported after a time.
It's the extra space that automatically-downloaded stuff takes up on the
device that makes me a bit uncomfortable. As i pointed out somewhere else, I
first had to download IoS7 and then install it. There was no automatic
factor in my experience. however, if folks are getting automatic 3-gig
downloads without asking for them, then it leads me to wonder if there's a
setting that one could disable for doing this.
 
 Teresa
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 except you're not actually being forced to update Windows XP. You can run
it forever, you just won't get support from Microsoft for it. I don't think
that's unreasonable since XP is so old and MS has released three major
operating system versions since XP. Also, you were still getting support and
updates for XP after Vista was released, after Windows 7 was released and
even after Windows 8 was released. I still think it's a bad comparison, but
that's just my opinion, and I don't expect to change anyone's mind, so I'll
shut up about it.
 
 On 09/26/2013 02:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I think its a decent comparison since desktop OS's don't update nearly
the speed of a Mobile OS.  And either way, the feeling is the same.  That's
what the issue really is here.  Your hand being forced to adopt a technology
you might not really want.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 Quite a few people are upset with Microsoft for dropping support of
windows XP. Also, Microsoft dropping support for an operating system over a
decade old is not the same issue as Apple pushing out an OS that's only a
few days old to everyone's iPhone. Note that I don't have a problem with
Apple; I'm just pointing out that this is not a good comparison.
 
 On 09/26/2013 02:19 PM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
 I agree with Ricardo. I don't hear people bashing Microsoft for 
 not supporting Windows XP in the next few months or other old
software.
 Also most apps have been updated to work with IOS 7. Finally if 
 you consider the traffic regarding bugs and questions a large part 
 exists because people don't read others email which has already 
 answered their question. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want to 
 update since overall IOS 7 is better but that's a matter of choice.
 
 On 9/26/13, Sean Paul newsandtraf...@aol.com wrote:
 Nicely done Mr. Walker... Couldn't have said it better myself. 
 Life is life
 
  we've gotta live it. We'll be forced to do things we don't want 
 to do by Apple, the Government, Microsoft, our neighborhoods, etc.
 - Original Message -
 From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
 To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 15:10
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Not trying to be confrontational but, people force you to do 
 stuff like this
 
 all the time.  For example, if you want IOS 7 but have an iPhone 
 3GS?  You have to at least get your hands on an iPhone 4.  You 
 might love your phone but, you want that new update so you get a new
phone.
 
 Or how about internet explorer 10.  You want to have access to 
 certain web sites, your still using Windows XP?  You either 
 update tow windows 7 or 8, or try to use another web browser.
 
 This is really nothing new.  The more people that are running the 
 same OS or, using the same hardware, makes it easier for 
 developers to push out updates and new content.
 
 Sure, in some cases its a straight money grab.  Other times, 
 companies force
 
 the issue because they don't want to support old hardware/software
anymore.
 
 Or, they're trying to create a more unified experience among their
users.
 
 JMO.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 

RE: Deleting Foursquare, using Checkie, and getting badge notifications

[James Homuth]

Hello,

If you delete the foursquare app, you should still be able to use Checkie.
You won't get the notifications on your phone, but it should still email you
as that part's handled by the Foursquare system itself. Checkie's a useful
app, with my only complaint being the options of posting your checkins to
Twitter and Facebook don't work with Voiceover. I've already bugged the
developer about that, but other than that, it's pretty much all the benefit
I need from Foursquare with none of the extra stuff I never look at.

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Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: August 16, 2013 10:44 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Deleting Foursquare, using Checkie, and getting badge notifications

Greetings. I need to set the stage for a moemnt here. I have Foursquare on
my iPhone 5, running iOS 6.1.4 but I am not using it as much as I once did.
Lately I have used Checkie for checking into places, since all it does is
allow me to check in and see how many points I have earned. The App Store
app has been stuck on a Foursquare update for me all this week. Each time I
go into the updates area, it shows any available update along with the
ongoing Foursquare update, which only says, Installing. I am wondering
about deleting the Foursquare app and only using Checkie for checking in and
points notices. However, if I delete Foursquare will I still be notified of
badges either through the notification center or by email? I have set
Foursquare on the site to notify me by email of badges that I earn.
The tips you get when checking in are sometimes useful, and often not, so
not having them wouldn't really bother me that much. Aside from the
foursquare apps, are there any other free apps to use for checking into
places that are also very easy to use? I'm not looking for any fancy
features or access to menus, since I can get those with other apps on my
phone. Thoughts?

Regards,
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RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on
here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much
exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for
updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map
updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay
for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it
pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for
$70/year?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Barry
Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

She expects everything for nothing.

At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in 
order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there 
are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few 
thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through 
the purchasers.
I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more 
than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, 
it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price 
to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the 
population.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:

  I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? 
 Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. 
 I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
 nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
 advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets.
 Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for 
 Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even 
 rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.
 
  Mary Anne Lynskey
 
 
  On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
  At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a
 three-year subscription.
 
  Chuck (mobile)
  Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
  On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
  Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to
 keep paying for
  rights to use the app?
 
  To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot 
  Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe 
  Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the
 subjectline.   of your truth
  and live according to your word.
 
  Verse of the Week
  Proverbs 18:10
  The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs
 into it and
  is safe. (ESV)
 
  Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive 
  you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to 
  behold
 you, a heart
  to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the
 power of the
  Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of 
  Nursia,
  480-547 AD)
  Psalm 23:1-6
  1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
  2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside
 still waters;
  3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness
 for his name's
  sake.
  4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I 
  fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they 
  comfort me.
  5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
 you anoint my
 
  head with oil, my cup overflows.
  6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my
 life; and I
  shall
  dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
 
 
  Psalm 19:8-11
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
  Of Chuck Dean
  Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.
 
 
  Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my 
  neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one
 mile, and took
  a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS 
  apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one
mile walk.
  The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. 
  Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you 
  are in are already entered, so only the address number and street 
  need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you 
  will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point 
  of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most 
  of the announcements, but does have
 another voice
  that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and
 

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

Uh. The last update we pulled in for the Breeze in this house? That would be
yesterday. And yes, it was free. Now, granted to buy any other map, there's
an extra cost. So say you're going to England for a vacation and decide to
drag your GPS along. Except you won't be dragging the Seeing Eye app along,
as it doesn't even work over there.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: July 3, 2013 12:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Hi Mich,

There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the subscription
this simply means you didn't read the full app description and information.
Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer
ratings it says the following:

Top In-App Purchases
1. Three Year Subscription$129.99
2. One Year Subscription$69.99

OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I
cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 12
years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your
Trekker? Was it free?

OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure has
its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which
took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply
because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that
HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the
Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more than
half that.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mich
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but
since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free
appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to
by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the
person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on
sail. from Mich.
- Original Message -
From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


And how much did you pay for that breeze?

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:

 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded 
 the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i 
 certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating 
 portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my 
 phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had 
 my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works 
 just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is 
 reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is 
 highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they 
 wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives.
 Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not 
 blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I 
 would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.

 Mary Anne

 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,

 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even 
 download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not 
 like Sendero forced you to do so.

 You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or 
 whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable 
 solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app.
 This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when 
 Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, 
 the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous 
 and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't 
 want it.


 Take care,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even 
 so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've 
 already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
 nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
 advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets.
 Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude 
 for Sendero to 

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
technology not to get me lost either.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are
free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My
Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a
valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already
have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the
other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you 
 buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 
 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for 
 the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 
 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out 
 of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and 
 Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which 
 company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on 
 your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye
app uses.
 
 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any 
 argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while 
 you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I 
 think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded 
 the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i 
 certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the 
 rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted 
 from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. 
 I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the 
 app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the 
 maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly 
 sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, 
 they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. 
 Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not 
 blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I
would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.
 
 Mary Anne
 
 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,
 
 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even 
 download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not 
 like Sendero forced you to do so.
 
 You could go and pay $59 for 

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

And all 3 of those sources are free. Look it up.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Having purchased the app already, I can confirm that this application pulls
its points of interest from three sources and not just foursquare.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 6:41 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote:

 Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been 
 said on here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is 
 pretty much exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also 
 don't charge you for updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also 
 doesn't charge you for map updates. And if we're being honest, the 
 Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay for its access to, let's say, 
 foursquare information, which is where it pulls its points of interest 
 from. So again, what are you paying for for $70/year?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Kevin Barry
 Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 She expects everything for nothing.
 
 At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
 Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee 
 in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that 
 there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only 
 a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out 
 through the purchasers.
 I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more 
 than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
 If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the 
 taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a 
 small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific 
 portion of the population.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? 
 Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. 
 I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
 nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
 advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets.
 Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude 
 for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't 
 even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my
mind.
 
 Mary Anne Lynskey
 
 
 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a
 three-year subscription.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to
 keep paying for
 rights to use the app?
 
 To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot 
 Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe 
 Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the
 subjectline.   of your truth
 and live according to your word.
 
 Verse of the Week
 Proverbs 18:10
 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs
 into it and
 is safe. (ESV)
 
 Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive 
 you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to 
 behold
 you, a heart
 to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the
 power of the
 Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of 
 Nursia,
 480-547 AD)
 Psalm 23:1-6
 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside
 still waters;
 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness
 for his name's
 sake.
 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I 
 fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they 
 comfort me.
 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
 you anoint my
 
 head with oil, my cup overflows.
 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my
 life; and I
 shall
 dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
 
 
 Psalm 19:8-11
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.
 
 
 Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my 
 neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one
 mile, and took
 a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS 
 apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the 
 one
 mile walk

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once
again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them
to apples.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Logan
Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

This needs to stop.  They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it
greed.  All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone
accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash.

As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years,
costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. 
Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of
providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them.

Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list.


Peter Logan


-Original Message-
From: James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
technology not to get me lost either.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze 
 are
free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
the mystro did not run in the same price range.


 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. 
 My
Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.

 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and 
 it's a
valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.

 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I 
 already
have.

 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the
other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca

 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you 
 buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 
 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for 
 the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 
 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out 
 of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and 
 Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which 
 company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on 
 your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing 
 Eye
app uses.

 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any 
 argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while 
 you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I 
 think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

 You are incorrect assuming that I bought

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

So those maps are more detailed. Sure. They're also not required. And the
maps you get *with* the program are still updated. An optional $19 is
nowhere near the same as a mandatory $70.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 9:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Navigon lists several in app purchases. Item 3 in that list indicates that
for fresh XL maps for North America, the cost is $19.99. This presumably
provides maps that have additional detail as compared to the regular maps
that come with the product.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 7:03 AM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and
I've had it for years.
 
 But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that
right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my
other apps give me the same info.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net
wrote:
 
 With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing
eye application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze
are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter
part the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze.
My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's
a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already
have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the
other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you 
 buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 
 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for 
 the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 
 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service 
 out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker 
 Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I 
 wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether 
 the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones
the Seeing Eye app uses.
 
 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt 
 any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and 
 while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their 
 opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak
for themselves.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I 
 downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly 
 it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went 
 to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been 
 deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one 
 time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the 
 cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then 
 to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they 
 want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that 
 kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are 
 other good alternatives. Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and 
 support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm 

RE: Checkie Settings for Facebook and Twitter

[James Homuth]

To my knowledge I don't see any way of determining whether or not these
settings are enabled, but I can say double tapping to supposedly enable or
disable them doesn't appear to have any real effect. So if I think the
setting is turned off, and I double tap it, it doesn't appear to switch that
same setting on.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Margo and Arrow
Sent: June 10, 2013 3:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Checkie Settings for Facebook and Twitter

Hi.  I'm using checkie a lot and love it.  In the Settings part of the app,
there are two settings that do not give the feedback they're selected or
not.  There's an auto-post to Twitter and auto-post to Facebook.  There's no
way to know if you've selected those to be on or off.  Any ideas about that.
I know Annonymouse just did a podcast on Checkie and am wondering how that
settings gets selected or is it automatically defaulted to auto-post to both
of these social networking sites.

Thanks.

Margo and Arrow

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RE: Blogging sites

[James Homuth]

What are you using for your personal blog now? Get in touch with me
off-list, and there might be a way we can transition you to using WordPress.

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Sent: June 7, 2013 11:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Blogging sites

I use Wordpress and blogger and both work but Wordpress is better. 
It's impossible to post from the blogger app and from the browser on IOS. 
The Wordpress app works pretty good last time I used it. 
I wish my personal blog at malarsie.com would have been on Wordpress but
such is life. Mike

On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Chris Judd chrischas0...@charter.net wrote:

 I have also found the following website:
 http://dreamwidth.org
 I have a blog on there, and this site is very accessible.
 Chris
 - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain
chalt...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: Blogging sites
 
 
 It's been a while since I have done much blogging, but when I set up my
 blog, I went with wordpress.com. It was accessible at the time, and I
 liked the clean results when someone went to view a wordpress.com blog.
 There's also a wordpress app that seems accessible and gets pretty good
 reviews.
 
 On 06/07/2013 11:56 AM, Timothy Emmons wrote:
 Hey guys, I have a question and I sent this to both the Vi-Phone list and
the Mac Visionaries list because I'm curious. I am strongly considering
doing a blog, and wondered where I would start, which sites or spots are
accessible, and hbow intensive is it to get started. Just curious. I'm not
on twitter or Facebook near as much but would love to have a writing outlet
to sort of keep going on occasion. Thanks for any help and I appreciate it.
Take care and talk to you soon.
 
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App recommendations for a somewhat unusual purpose?

[James Homuth]

I have an interesting problem that I'm looking to solve. We've got a
computer that's decided not to give us any kind of audio output whatsoever.
Potentially because we're not even seeing the OS. What I'm wondering is if
there's an app available that can let me use my phone to tell me what's on
the screen, so I can get me to a point where I can at least know where I am
in relation to if we're having a problem with the boot process. If there is,
that would be absolutely awesome. Of course if not, I can probably find
another, more convoluted way to get it done. Any pointers would be awesome.

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RE: App recommendations for a somewhat unusual purpose?

[James Homuth]

Well. I guess I get to go learn me a new app on the fly. Awesome. And thanks
for that.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brett
Sent: February 28, 2013 4:12 PM
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Subject: Re: App recommendations for a somewhat unusual purpose?


Hi, 


I have successfully done this with textdetective and vizwiz. 

Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone

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I have an interesting problem that I'm looking to solve. We've got a
computer that's decided not to give us any kind of audio output whatsoever.
Potentially because we're not even seeing the OS. What I'm wondering is if
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the screen, so I can get me to a point where I can at least know where I am
in relation to if we're having a problem with the boot process. If there is,
that would be absolutely awesome. Of course if not, I can probably find
another, more convoluted way to get it done. Any pointers would be awesome.



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Tiny Tower: accessible or no?

[James Homuth]

I did some digging, so I probably already know the answer, but I'm wondering
if anyone on the list has tried playing the game Tiny Tower, and if so, how
accessible/useable is it with VO? I know a few folks who play it, and
wouldn't mind joining them. But, since they don't use VO I can't very well
judge anything by that. So, if anyone's given it a shot, how much of a
headache is it? Thanks either way.

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RE: Accessibility of WordPress

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If you don't use wordpress.com, you can actually make the website fairly
accessible. Translation: self-host your own WordPress install, that solves
most of your problems. Other than that, yes the iOS app is very accessible.
I use both with some regularity.

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Of Kliphton A M
Sent: February 16, 2013 11:04 PM
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Subject: Re: Accessibility of WordPress

It's more accessible then the dang website, I use the app way more then I
use the actual website.
On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Keith Bundy kb5...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is anyone having success using the WordPress app for iOS? I am looking to
start a blog, and it would be very helpful to be able to update it from the
iPhone. Thanks for your thoughts
 
 Keith
 
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RE: *Do! Not!* hard reset your iPhone. VoiceOver dies.

[James Homuth]

In what universe does Apple not support that? Particularly since that's
pretty much step 1 of troubleshooting your phone in the event a restore
doesn't work, since that kicks your phone back to the factory defaults.
Which, yes, also means no voiceover. Get used to it, or stay close to your
iTunes when you do it.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Sent: November 26, 2012 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: *Do! Not!* hard reset your iPhone. VoiceOver dies.

Hum,

who knows how that is supposed to behave, given that, to the best of my
knowledge Apple do not endorse that as a specified method of, quote,
reseting your iPHone.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
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On 23 Nov 2012, at 20:38, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Neil:
 My problem is with the soft reset, and thanks for the proper name for it.
It not only takes VO out but it takes out my setting for 3-tap home to turn
VO on and off, thus causing the fix to be impossible unless you have iTunes
or sighted help.
 Reggie
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 8:56 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: *Do! Not!* hard reset your iPhone. VoiceOver dies.
  
 I'm slightly confused here.
  
 Doing a hard reset, i.e. going into Settings, General, Reset and Reset
All Settings and Erase Data, surely does exactly what it says on the tin,
and I fail to see why you are surprised that Voice Over didn't come up
talking following it, and that it had lost your settings.
  
 A hard reset wipes the whole phone, the warning messages on the phone are
very clear about this.
  
 A soft reset though, which is the power and home keys held for a number of
seconds, that should in theory not cause Voice Over to die and lose
settings, but, never the less you are force quitting and making the phone do
something that at the time it did not wish to do. as such, things do go
wrong from time to time.
  
 
  
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 On 21 Nov 2012, at 01:35, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 
 Hello all.
 I had to hard reset my iPhone 4 this evening.
 When the phone booted up, VoiceOver did not come back, triple click home
no longer worked, and when I finally got VoiceOver back thanks to iTunes all
my VoiceOver settings were back to factory defaults.
 This is just a warning to not hard reset your iPhone unless you absolutely
must.
 I just sent a message off to Apple accessibility, and am waiting to hear
back. I'm hoping that it's something that can be fixed easily.
 Hope this helps someone.
 Matthew Campbell.
 
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RE: Creating folders and rules for pop mails

[James Homuth]

You probably could, but if you're using POP, what would be the point? That
kind of setup works best with IMAP.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of salama
Sent: November 26, 2012 12:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating folders and rules for pop mails

Hello all,
I am accessing 4 e-mail accounts with my pc using Ms Outlook; a yahoo.co.uk
account, a Gmail account and 2 accounts with the domain name of the school I
am working at hosted at domain.com. Using rules and folders, outlook makes
me some folders for e-mails sent from a person, institution or mailing list;
it also makes me folders with a specific word in the subject line.
So, my question, can I use the belt in app in os6 or any other app too do
some or all of the tasks I mentioned?
Note, I am using IPhone 5.
Best regards,
Salama.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anthony Vece
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Iphone 5

I have the OtterBox Commuter case and, it works just fine.
They also supply a screen protecter.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com
wrote:

 Also, the iPhone 5 has one less layer of glass from what I read. This was
as part of the effort to make the overall phone thinner. There are theories
that the entire concept of screen protectors and cases is a way for
manufacturers to make money and phones don't really need them. Whether it's
true or not I still choose to have cases for my phones, but I no longer
subscribe to the opinion that Otterbox Defender cases are the way to go. I
still want to enjoy the thin feel of my phone. However to each his/her own.
If someone wants to go with a naked iPhone and nothing ever happens to it,
great.
 
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 On 11/25/2012 3:38 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
 Um, I'd get a protector. That screen can still be cracked quite easily.
 
 *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
 Behalf Of *Andy Baracco
 *Sent:* Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:37 PM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* New Iphone 5
 
 I finally got around to upgrading to the iPhone 5.  I was very 
 impressed with its thin design, and had considered not getting a case 
 for it, but after it almost slipped out of my hand twice, i thought 
 better and got a simple case that covers the back and sides.  It does 
 not have a screen protector, as i have never used one.  I was told 
 that the screen is made of Gorilla Glass, and a protector is 
 unnecessary. The case makes it easier to hold, but like any case, it 
 takes away from that thinness that is just so cool.
 
 Andy
 
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RE: moving emails to dropbox - can it be done?

[James Homuth]

If you're using mail on your phone, I'm assuming you're using IMAP. So why
couldn't you just access that same email on another computer? Maybe I'm
misunderstanding something but wouldn't that make more sense? And if you're
not using IMAP for mail, then... Uh... Can I ask why?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rob Harris
Sent: October 8, 2012 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: moving emails to dropbox - can it be done?

Agreed, how do you put it in a file?
- Original Message - 
From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: moving emails to dropbox - can it be done?


Hi,

I would copy the info in the message to a file and then put that file in 
Dropbox.

Best,
Anna



On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Jodie Hoger jodieho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi group. I am wondering how I might move an imail with information I want

 to use later to my dropbox account. I can't find anywhere that can help me

 with this. If not drop then evernote, or something similar?
 Thanks,
 Jo

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RE: blocking number app with the Iphone

[James Homuth]

Neither, sadly, does Telus or I believe Rogers, although I could be wrong
about the latter. My research turns up mostly apps that either 1: cost you
or 2: aren't accessible. And occasionally, they fall into both categories.
So I'd also appreciate a pointer or 6 in the right direction. Thanks as
well.

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Of May and Noah
Sent: July-28-12 8:33 PM
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Subject: blocking number app with the Iphone

Hi everyone that may live in Canada and are with Bell ability or that also
have this problem.

I need an app that works well that allows you to block numbers from calling
you.. Bell Mobility doesn't offer a call blocking feature service or
whatever you want to call it, thanks.

May and Prince Noah

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RE: blocking IMessage

[James Homuth]

She means blocking one specific person from iMessaging her, not turning off
the app. Although, 45 seconds on Google and another 45 on Apple say that's
about the only way to do it. Apple, rather stupidly, doesn't offer you a
block option. You'd think that'd be, y'know, common sense, but then, this is
why Apple doesn't sign my paychecks.

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Sent: June 16, 2012 11:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blocking IMessage

If you mean stopping iMessage on your phone   Double tap on settings
then go to messages and double tap to open it   In here you can turn
off iMessage off.

Margaret


Sent from my iPhone

On 17/06/2012, at 12:41 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey there group.

 Ok, I'm curious, is there anyway at all to block a person from sending you
IMessages on your IPhone?

 May and Prince Noah
 mcdonald@gmail.com

 PhoenixFire FM
 canadianl...@bell.net
 1-888-778-2544

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RE: Contacts will not delete

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I do know the delete button's at the bottom of the screen, usually to the
right, but I can almost never get to it by swiping. It's more of a guess and
see if I land on it type thing.

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Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: June 17, 2012 1:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Contacts will not delete

Have you tried the four finger tap at the bottom of the screen? This,
sometimes followed by a flick right, usually lands me on the delete button.

On 16/06/12 23:56, Shannon Dyer wrote:
 Hi, all.
 
 No matter what I do, I can't get contacts to delete from my phone. I find
the name I want to delete and go to the edit button. However, I just see all
the fields I can edit. I don't see a remove or delete contact buttonn. Am I
missing something, or is there something else I should be doing?
 
 Shannon
 


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RE: Is there any accessory that you can buy that will work with iPhone 4 s and iPod touch 4 to give it an FM tuner?

[James Homuth]

If there were, I'm pretty sure your iThings wouldn't have the slightest clue
what to do with it. The support for that kinda thing just isn't there,
hardware or otherwise.


  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jen Colley
Sent: May-30-12 12:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is there any accessory that you can buy that will work with iPhone
4 s and iPod touch 4 to give it an FM tuner?


Hi,  
I had a friend sometime ago who had an old iPod 3rd generation nano and they
had a little remote that plugged into the bottom of the iPod and by
attaching headphones, they had an FM tuner on ther iPod.  
Does anyone know of such a thing that would work with the iPhone 4 s and the
iPod touch 4?  
I want to be able to listen to local radio on both these devices but when
you're on a bus you don't always have wifi.  
Any help would be appreciated.  
Jen  

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RE: Looking for a good free if possible ring tone maker and all the blackberry and android ring and alert tones

[James Homuth]

I've got plenty of blackberry and android ringtones over here if you'd like
to let me know how to get them to you. As for the other thing, unfortunately
most of the free utilities aren't all that great. But depending what you're
looking for, I may be able to oblige.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jen Colley
Sent: May 15, 2012 8:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Looking for a good free if possible ring tone maker and all the
blackberry and android ring and alert tones


Hi,  
I don't know if anyone can help me.  
I am looking for an easy to use and free if possible ring tone maker along
with all the android and blackberry ring tones and alert tones.  
I've never made a ring tone so don't even know if this is possible and easy.

Jen  

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RE: Is there an app for listening to the radio that won't use data for the iPhone?

[James Homuth]

the iPhone doesn't have a tuner antenna, so unfortunately what you're after
is quite not very possible. If you want to listen to the radio via the
iPhone, it's gonna have to be online, I'm afraid.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jen Colley
Sent: May-15-12 10:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is there an app for listening to the radio that won't use data for
the iPhone?


Hi,  
I know there is no built in radio on the iPhone 4 s and I know there are
apps that will allow you to listen to the radio online but is there an app
that will act as a tuner when headphones are connected so I could listen to
the radio when I'm not at home on wifi.  
All I want to do is listen to local radio.  
Jen  

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