RE: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions - Walking Pads

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

 

With regard to walking pads, I have not yet purchased one.

 

I plan on doing so, this week.  I am still searching so if you have discovered 
a model that you find interesting, let us know.

 

One thing I will insist on is that my unit must have, at least, 2.5  horse 
power.  Anything less than 2.5 will simply not last long enough, based on how I 
intend to use the unit.

 

Mark

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tai 
Tomasi
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 8:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions - Walking Pads

 

Many people install these under desks and walk while working or doing other 
tasks. Having it under the desk means you can pull it out slightly to use, but 
you still can touch the desk while walking to stay oriented.

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.

Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com <mailto:tai.toma...@gmail.com> 

Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

 

On Jun 1, 2024, at 11:08 PM, Richard mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Good question.

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If these walking pads do not have a hand rail, how do you manage to stay on the 
pad?

James B 


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Mark and all,

I found several walking pads on Amazon. The better options I found were priced 
from $200 and up to About $380. They all could be stored under a bed and one 
producer claimed their pad could be stored under a sofa. A couple had 
adjustable incline features.

A question for Mark and anyone else who might know. Even though those that send 
data to a  smart phone tracking app are at  a higher price point, are there any 
that are relatively easy to operate without vision? One walking pad used a 
remote control. I'm not sure about others.

I'm interested in a walking pad after learning about them from Mark, so will 
appreciate any help about their accessibility..


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Subject: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions

Hello All,

1.
Well, I recently returned from a short vacation and during the trip, for the 
first time, I made extensive use of Air Tags.  I was delighted to discover that 
they work remarkably well.  However, to me, it seemed, that using the Find My 
app, with the Left Behind notification feature enabled, drain my battery a 
little faster than expected.  I don't know if this is exactly true because, 
during the journey, I did take more photos than normal and my screen brightness 
was set to a higher level in order for me to be able to see the phone's 
display, out in the sunlight.

2.
Someone, on list, suggested that she could not add a television series to her 
recorded list in Youtube TV for TVOS.  I just tested this feature on my Apple 
TV, and found that the feature functions as expected, when VoiceOver is enabled.

3.
One of the latest trends in home exercise is using a walking pad.
Essentially, a walking pad is a much smaller version of a treadmill.
Generally, the cost of a walking pad starts at around 140 USD.  Many of them 
require no assembly and do not have a handrail.  They are so very popular that, 
during my research, I discovered, at least, 30 brands with seemingly endless 
models.  As a former owner of over 12 full-size exercise devices including 
several very expensive commercial grade treadmills, which I used in order to 
achieve my various health goals many years ago, I have decided to purchase one 
of these walking pads.  For the record, although I thoroughly enjoyed my 
commercial grade devices, keeping those machines in proper order takes a great 
deal of tools, parts, and time (if one elects to maintain them by hand, as I 
did) or a great deal of money if one elects to have them serviced on a regular 
basis.  One feature that I would like to have on my new walking pad is the 
ability to have all of the exercise statistics sent to the Apple Health app.  
So far, I have not found one that claims to do this.  At least, I have not 
found one less than 1000 USD that has this feature.  So, if

RE: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions

[M. Taylor]

Hello Mary,

I am certain that the model I purchased is not an Amazon TV for the screen 
reader is definitely not Alexa.

Based on the model's UI, I suspect that the OS is some variant of Android.

Mark

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Otten
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 3:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions

Hi Mark,
I’m really curious what screen reader is in that TV. That is to say, what 
operating system is it running? I was thinking maybe it’s running Alexa and the 
Amazon system, because I know insignia did or does make some Amazon TV. So 
might it be that?
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2024, at 2:49 PM, Louise Peyton  wrote:
> 
> Mark:
> Please describe the walking pad.  I have never been exposed to one but sure 
> would find the exercise helpful.  How big is it?  What features does it have? 
>  Is it electric?  Thanks.
> Louise Peyton
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 4:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> 1.
> Well, I recently returned from a short vacation and during the trip, for the 
> first time, I made extensive use of Air Tags.  I was delighted to discover 
> that they work remarkably well.  However, to me, it seemed, that using the 
> Find My app, with the Left Behind notification feature enabled, drain my 
> battery a little faster than expected.  I don't know if this is exactly true 
> because, during the journey, I did take more photos than normal and my screen 
> brightness was set to a higher level in order for me to be able to see the 
> phone's display, out in the sunlight.
> 
> 2.
> Someone, on list, suggested that she could not add a television series to her 
> recorded list in Youtube TV for TVOS.  I just tested this feature on my Apple 
> TV, and found that the feature functions as expected, when VoiceOver is 
> enabled.
> 
> 3.
> One of the latest trends in home exercise is using a walking pad.
> Essentially, a walking pad is a much smaller version of a treadmill.
> Generally, the cost of a walking pad starts at around 140 USD.  Many of them 
> require no assembly and do not have a handrail.  They are so very popular 
> that, during my research, I discovered, at least, 30 brands with seemingly 
> endless models.  As a former owner of over 12 full-size exercise devices 
> including several very expensive commercial grade treadmills, which I used in 
> order to achieve my various health goals many years ago, I have decided to 
> purchase one of these walking pads.  For the record, although I thoroughly 
> enjoyed my commercial grade devices, keeping those machines in proper order 
> takes a great deal of tools, parts, and time (if one elects to maintain them 
> by hand, as I did) or a great deal of money if one elects to have them 
> serviced on a regular basis.  One feature that I would like to have on my new 
> walking pad is the ability to have all of the exercise statistics sent to the 
> Apple Health app.  So far, I have not found one that claims to do this.  At 
> least, I have not found one less than 1000 USD that has this feature.  So, if 
> you are using a walking pad or you discover one that has a smart app feature, 
> let me know.  Thank you.
> 
> 4.
> In my home office, I have an Apple TV that was connected to a 14 year old 21 
> inch television.  For the past couple of years, because of various reasons 
> that are not relative to this topic, the active scan feature of Apple TV did 
> not work with the set.  Basically, this means that the edges of the Apple TV 
> display went beyond the edge of the television's visible area.  Not a big 
> deal as I only use this set once or twice a year and when doing so, I mostly 
> listened to the content, rather than watched it.  Still, I have been 
> passively searching for a small form factor television to replace the old 
> one.  In my experience, it has been almost impossible to locate a new, modern 
> technology television, that is smaller than 24 inches.  I had almost given up 
> when, in my local Best Buy store, a couple of days ago, we spotted an area of 
> the store filled with Insignia branded televisions.  Insignia is Best Buy's 
> house brand.  Guess what?  They have and I purchased a 19 inch model for 49 
> USD, before tax.  The biggest surprised? when I powered on the unit for the 
> first time, a screen reader asked if I wanted to leave the screen reader on 
> or turn it off.  This is a marvelous little set that offers anything you 
> could want in a television; including a built-in screen reader.
> So, if you're in the market 

From Mark: Some Comments, Answers, and Questions

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

1.
Well, I recently returned from a short vacation and during the trip, for the
first time, I made extensive use of Air Tags.  I was delighted to discover
that they work remarkably well.  However, to me, it seemed, that using the
Find My app, with the Left Behind notification feature enabled, drain my
battery a little faster than expected.  I don't know if this is exactly true
because, during the journey, I did take more photos than normal and my
screen brightness was set to a higher level in order for me to be able to
see the phone's display, out in the sunlight.

2.
Someone, on list, suggested that she could not add a television series to
her recorded list in Youtube TV for TVOS.  I just tested this feature on my
Apple TV, and found that the feature functions as expected, when VoiceOver
is enabled.

3.
One of the latest trends in home exercise is using a walking pad.
Essentially, a walking pad is a much smaller version of a treadmill.
Generally, the cost of a walking pad starts at around 140 USD.  Many of them
require no assembly and do not have a handrail.  They are so very popular
that, during my research, I discovered, at least, 30 brands with seemingly
endless models.  As a former owner of over 12 full-size exercise devices
including several very expensive commercial grade treadmills, which I used
in order to achieve my various health goals many years ago, I have decided
to purchase one of these walking pads.  For the record, although I
thoroughly enjoyed my commercial grade devices, keeping those machines in
proper order takes a great deal of tools, parts, and time (if one elects to
maintain them by hand, as I did) or a great deal of money if one elects to
have them serviced on a regular basis.  One feature that I would like to
have on my new walking pad is the ability to have all of the exercise
statistics sent to the Apple Health app.  So far, I have not found one that
claims to do this.  At least, I have not found one less than 1000 USD that
has this feature.  So, if you are using a walking pad or you discover one
that has a smart app feature, let me know.  Thank you.

4.
In my home office, I have an Apple TV that was connected to a 14 year old 21
inch television.  For the past couple of years, because of various reasons
that are not relative to this topic, the active scan feature of Apple TV did
not work with the set.  Basically, this means that the edges of the Apple TV
display went beyond the edge of the television's visible area.  Not a big
deal as I only use this set once or twice a year and when doing so, I mostly
listened to the content, rather than watched it.  Still, I have been
passively searching for a small form factor television to replace the old
one.  In my experience, it has been almost impossible to locate a new,
modern technology television, that is smaller than 24 inches.  I had almost
given up when, in my local Best Buy store, a couple of days ago, we spotted
an area of the store filled with Insignia branded televisions.  Insignia is
Best Buy's house brand.  Guess what?  They have and I purchased a 19 inch
model for 49 USD, before tax.  The biggest surprised? when I powered on the
unit for the first time, a screen reader asked if I wanted to leave the
screen reader on or turn it off.  This is a marvelous little set that offers
anything you could want in a television; including a built-in screen reader.
So, if you're in the market for a tiny TV that works beautifully with Apple
TV, give the Insignia models a try.

Okay, I think that's all for now.

I hope you are all doing well and I look forward to any and all replies.

Mark


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RE: YoutubeTV how to record a series on apple tv

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

 

I have tried replying earlier but it did not come through.

 

I will check the ap to make certain that it is still accessible.

 

Mark

 

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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 6:28 PM
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Subject: RE: YoutubeTV how to record a series on apple tv

 

Yes its paid and using youtube tv app on apple tv.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: YoutubeTV how to record a series on apple tv

 

S this a paid YouTube TV subscription?

 

I wonder if you have to have a subscription and use the YouTube app for that?

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  
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Subject: YoutubeTV how to record a series on apple tv

 

All:

I’m trying YoutubeTV on apple tv.

How do I setup recording a series? If I press and hold it returns to the 
previous watched channel, which is cool. LOL but trying to figure out how to 
record.

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Hello All, Testing the List, Please ignore

[M. Taylor]

As the subject states, just checking the list settings.

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Just Purchased HomeKit Compatible Smart Lightbuls, They Work Perfectly

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

A couple of weeks ago I remember seeing a thread about getting smart
lightbulbs to work on iPhone, or so I thought.

Anyway, yesterday, I was in my local Best Buy store and picked up a 2-pack
of HomeKit  compatible bulbs.  I just opened the box and set one bulb up in
a bedroom.  Man!  What fun!  

First, I did not need to download any third-party app, in order to add the
bulb to HomeKit.  It just worked right out of the box using the normal
method of adding an accessory to the Kit.

Second, not only can I have Siri turn on / off the bulb, but I can have Siri
set the brightness and even the color of the bulb.  

So, for example, I can say to Siri:  "Turn on the light," "set bulb 1
brightness to 66%," "set bulb 1 to dark blue," etc.  

Anyway, the product is listed as:  LIFX - E26 Edison Screw (2-Pack) - Color.

I paid $44 for the 2-pack.

Mark


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RE: Uber phone number where I could talk to a live agent.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Janet,

Of course I am not Jennie but I think I can provide, at least, a partial answer 
to your question; said answer being the following:

In certain counties throughout the United States, Uber participates in the 
para-transit program.  So, if you have been approved for para-transit, in a 
county that has an agreement with Uber, when you schedule an Uber ride, you pay 
a fixed amount for the fair, for example, $3, and Uber bills the remainder of 
the cost of the ride to the county and / or county sponsored partner agency.  

I believe that Jennie lives in such a county.

  Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
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Subject: RE: Uber phone number where I could talk to a live agent.

HI Jenny, 

Can I ask you what is the Uber option program? 
Is this phone number for all states in the USA? 
I had heard some time ago,  the hail Uber was just for some states, but not 
others.  
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Subject: Uber phone number where I could talk to a live agent.

I was scheduling a ride for tomorrow and it charged me 20 bucks. I’m on the 
Uber option program and I’m only supposed to be charged $2.50 so I need to 
cancel the $20 transaction before it withdrawals. I don’t like when I have to, 
do this new stuff where you have to do it on the computer? I feel more 
comfortable talking to somebody like you did back in the day as if we didn’t 
have a computer regarding stuff like what happened to me an hour or so ago 
Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto

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RE: calls getting cut off.

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Hello Carolyn,

My best guess is that there is something touching the phone.  You may want to 
remove your phone's case and see what happens.  Another issue is that there 
could be a problem with the screen protector currently installed on the 
display, if any.

First, however, if there is a case, remove it and then make some trial calls.

Good luck,

Mark

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Arnold
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To: viPhone 
Subject: calls getting cut off.

Anyone have any idea when I'm on a call, that simply touching the screen 
anywhere can cut off a call - no pressing, not near end call, just simply 
contact with screen? 

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Does anyone know how to stop Siri / Safari from opening a default app in iOS?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I've been fighting a terrible, terrible cold for the last week and, as a
result, have not been able to post some articles to the list.  I am just now
beginning to feel a tiny bit better and so wanted to use what little energy
I have to post a question to which I cannot find the answer:

Scenario:
1.
Ask Siri to perform a web search by saying something like, "Search the web
for 'What is Amazon Music Unlimited, single'."

2.
Siri will respond with something like, "OK, I found this on the web for
'What is Amazon Music Unlimited, single'.  Check it out."

3.
There will now be 3 items on the display.  If you select the first item,
which is usually the answer given by Amazon, instead of opening the answer
in Safari, the Amazon app will open, which has absolutely nothing to do with
your search query.

I find this maddening.  And now, even the Google app is doing the same
thing.  This is to say, instead of opening a web browser, it will launch the
Amazon app.

Does anyone know how to stop this behavior?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch Faces, on the Fly?

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Hi,

Disregard the question. 

Apparently, what has been a default feature since the release of Apple Watch 
series 2, is now a feature that must manually be enabled from within the 
settings area of the OS.

I truly don't know why Apple keeps changing even the most basic settings when 
those settings have been time-tested for years.

To manually enable this old feature, open the Settings app, on the watch and 
then go to Clock.  At the top of the list you will see an option to enable this 
feature.

Mark

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Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2024 10:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch Faces, 
on the Fly?

Hello All,

Okay, at one point, in the recent past, with VoiceOver enabled, if I wanted to 
change watch faces, on the fly, I could simply 2-finger swipe from left to 
right or from right to left on my Apple watch.  Apparently, this is no longer 
the case.

What is now the VO gesture to quickly change watch faces?

Thank you,

Mark


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Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch Faces, on the Fly?

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Okay, at one point, in the recent past, with VoiceOver enabled, if I wanted
to change watch faces, on the fly, I could simply 2-finger swipe from left
to right or from right to left on my Apple watch.  Apparently, this is no
longer the case.

What is now the VO gesture to quickly change watch faces?

Thank you,

Mark


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RE: Med Minders

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sandy,

While there are many great solutions, my preferred medication reminder app is 
Pill Reminder, Pro.  I believe it offers a one-time purchase price and is 
extremely customizable.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sandra 
Finley
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 12:41 PM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Med Minders

Hello. I am in need of a way to remind myself that it is time to take meds.   I 
am taking them five times each day and, since the amounts vary, I need it to 
remind me of not only when to take them, but also what. Can anyone on this list 
recommend am app for this? I have not yet ruled out the iOs reminder app or the 
alarm, but I am interested in looking at all of my options.  T Thank you.

Sandy Finley 
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RE: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

[M. Taylor]

Hello Bill,

For everyday use, the native iOS app is fine but for extremely specific 
localized precipitation forecasts, I think the NOA website is the fastest way 
to get the info I need.  

I have never used OK Cupid so cannot speak as to its interface.

Under the heading of full disclosure:
In no way did I intend to give the impression that the big box dating services, 
such as Match.com, are easily VoiceOver accessible.  However, they are, in 
fact, accessible via VoiceOver but it can take quite a while to understand and 
navigate the features of the service.

Be that as it may, with enough patience, a VoiceOver user can use the dating 
services, independently, in my opinion.

If possible, have a sighted person help you setup your online dating profile.  
Once done, you should be, more or less, good to go.

Also, the web browser interface, as opposed to the phone app, is probably going 
to work better for those who are totally blind.

Finally, be certain to upload the best picture of yourself, as possible.  In my 
opinion, you will definitely need a sighted person to take a good photo of you; 
don't be surprised if capturing that perfect photo takes a while.

In a non-online dating related instance, a few days ago, a friend sent me over 
14 photos of herself, for online publication and they were all terrible.  Now, 
she is a very pretty woman but, for some reason, the photos she and her best 
friend took, made her face seem either long or egg shaped.  

Finally, we got together and went to a couple of various locations in town and 
I, yes yours truly, took about 18 photos, before shooting the one that was just 
right.

Of course, the thing we all laughed about was that it took a low vision guy, in 
order to get the best photo.  Sometimes, the universe if full of irony.

Now don't get me wrong, no one in his right mind would pay me to take photos 
but, every now and then, I do get lucky with the camera.

These days, I wonder if a big box online dating service is the right solution 
for those over a certain age, say, 50 or so?

A friend of mine recently engaged the services of a private match making 
service.  We'll see how that works out.

I am truly amazed at how difficult it can be for those of us who are visually 
impaired to make a special connection; there are just so many cultural stigmas 
about blind people that simply cannot be dismissed with an edict.  Hmm.


Just the musings of a shutterbug (smile).

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
Outman
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

Yes, I would agree, Mark.You would think the Weather Channel app would be the 
best. I have it but tend to use the native Weather app. It’s also confusing 
because TWC has gone through a lot of changes with their Local Now app and then 
the new streaming service app, and it’s hard to follow what is the best thing 
to use. Perhaps some advocacy with them about accessibility would be in order. 
As for dating apps, how is OKCupid to use? I have it on my phone but haven’t 
set it up yet, and I have a proposed text profile written in Word on my laptop. 
 
Bill Outman 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2024, at 4:08 PM, kheve...@fuse.net wrote:
> 
> I like weather gods too, but prefer weatherology to it.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 1:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon
> 
> I love Weather Gods.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 9:12 AM
> Subject: RE: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon
> 
> 
> Mark, have you tried weatherology?  Of all the free and paid apps I 
> have tried, this one is my favorite.  And, it's free.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Irons
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2024 6:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon
> 
> Hello Mark and everybody, this is Mike from Oklahoma. Just read your 
> email mark on the weather in Amazon and dating and just want to say I 
> am along with you looking for an accessible weather app with 
> voiceover. Right now I am using the native weather app, and the 
> weather channel app. They both tell me enough to get me by for right 
> now, but, I would like a more accessible weather app. So Mark and 
> everybody I hope this helps. I am along with you looking for an accessible 
> Weather app that works well with voiceover.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2024, at 3:42 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Just wanted to check in and see how everyone i

Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing.

I am delighted to report that last week's rain storms did not cause any
further damage to my property so that is a good thing.

Given the weather patterns here in the golden state, I have come to realize
that the native Apple weather app is not the most accurate.  So, based on
the recommendation of several contractors who will be helping me get my
property back in order, I started using the NOA website for my local
precipitation predictions.

NOA stands for:  National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

You can get your local forecast, online, by entering your Zip Code at
http://www.weather.gov.

In the US, virtually every app and news outlet uses NOA for their weather
forecasts.

Two things to note, here:
1.
If one is willing to drill down a bit, one can find the same NOA info from
within the native Apple weather app but, unless one understands how the data
is formatted, I do not think the info is easily understandable.
2.
While the Weather Channel app for iOS reflects the most accurate NOA data,
astonishing  as it is for me to believe, future casts are, in effect,
inaccessible via VoiceOver.  I mean, you can hear the data but unless you
can see the display, you would be hard-pressed to have VO locate it.  I
would think that, after all these years, the Weather Channel app would be
the best app for iOS; and yet, it is not.  If any of you have any
recommendations for free weather apps I could try, let me know.

Okay, moving on:

A while back, people were asking about online dating apps.  Using a couple
of these apps, I have gone on more than a few dates, with different women,
recently; while not easy, these dating sites can work in meeting someone.
It just takes patience and perseverance; so to those of you seeking someone
special, hang in there and do not give up.

Okay, onto Amazon / Audible news:
So, 3 years ago, I purchased a Whisper Sync title in both Kindle and Audible
format, at the same time, from Amazon.

Long story short, I could not download the Kindle audible companion of the
book last week.  Now the Audible audio format of the title would play just
fine.

It took almost an hour to reach someone at Kindle support who said she would
refund my money for the Audible version of the title if I could find the
Audible purchase order number.  She could see the Kindle order purchase
number but she could not see the order number confirming that I had
purchased the Audible version.

Even with her help and patience, we could not locate the order number
confirming my Audible purchase in my Amazon Library.  Just before giving up,
I realized that I keep every confirmation email I receive from Amazon in an
email folder.

It took about 15 more minutes but I was able to locate the number and when I
gave it to her, she was able to see that I had, in fact, purchased the
Audible version.

So, she refunded my money.  At the time I purchased the title, the cost was
$7.99.  However, the cost of that same title, today is $25.99.  So, she
refunded the $25.99 as that is the replacement cost of the title.  I waited
a few days, just to make certain that I received the refund then I purchased
the title, again.

My point?  Always keep every email confirmation you receive from Amazon
because you never know when you may need it.

Okay, I think that about covers it, for now.

I hope this finds you well and I look forward to your replies.

Mark


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RE: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

[M. Taylor]

Hello Mary,

If you have either the Open Run Pro or Open Fit model, you can easily enable 
and disable multipoint pairing via the iOS Shock app.  After the app is opened 
and connected to your headset, simply go to Settings and select Multipoint 
Pairing.  Toggle the switch to, on, and have VoiceOver read the simple pairing 
instructions on the display.  This feature does not require eyesight to enable 
or to use.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
Headphones for iPhone

Well, that’s what I thought should happen. So I pair to my iPhone. Locked it, 
pair to my iPad no problems, lock that. Come back to the iPhone, it absolutely 
doesn’t work. I’ve done it several times over two days, and it’s just not 
working. I guess I should unpaired it and try it again. Otherwise, I guess I 
have to send them back which is too bad, because they meet my use case. But I 
need them to work on two devices, one for workouts and the other for zoom. So, 
if they don’t work they’ll go back and I’m SOL again.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2024, at 6:51 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't know about the OPenFit, but both the OpenRun and OpenComm if you 
> pair to two devices, you have to be sure and lock the device you are not 
> using, then as soon as you start using the other device, it comes over the 
> headset.
> I've done that with my iPad and iPhone on those.
> I would think the OPenFit should work the same.
> But, should and does are often quite different.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS 
> version 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 2:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit 
> Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone
> 
> Does anyone on this list who has the open fit headphones have a full proof 
> way of changing from one paired device to the other paired device, assuming 
> you have two devices paired? I can’t do it. My iPhone just will not reconnect.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
>> 
>> You can also change the equalizer by pressing and holding both the volume 
>> up and down button at the same time until the change is announced.
>> Be sure to keep the box it came in as well as a copy of your receipt. I too 
>> have the Open Run and have had other models throughout the years. I love the 
>> bone conduction feature as it leaves my ears open. I'm one of those blindies 
>> who loses all sense of direction if my ears are covered up. Anyway... the 
>> reason I say to hold onto all your stuff for the headset is that for every 
>> single version I've had, I have had to get a replacement roughly a year 
>> after purchase. Getting a replacement thankfully is pretty seamless and it's 
>> a generous 2 year warranty, but just something to keep in mind. This really 
>> is the only gripe I have about the Shokz headsets.
>> 
>> 
>> Cristóbal
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 6:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit 
>> Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting 
>> Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.
>> 
>> I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the 
>> Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using 
>> a Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.
>> 
>> I think they are absolutely amazing.
>> 
>> What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app 
>> for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I 
>> absolutely love.
>> 
>> The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.
>> 
>> In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days 
>> later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  
>> 
>> With the Open Fit, you do n

RE: Shokz Openfit headphones

[M. Taylor]

Hello Alison,

I’ve been recovering from the water damage incurred last week’s deluge so am 
just now seeing this thread which I think has been resolved.

1.
You can only adjust the Open Fit volume control using the phone volume buttons.

2.
The Open Fit headset is not bone conducting so do not try to place the speakers 
in front of your ears.  Instead, each earpiece is worn so that the speaker is 
located just above your ear canal.

I am so glad you like Open Fit.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 4:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Shokz Openfit headphones

Thanks for the info Richard. You can increase the bass and trebble via the app 
but it does seem you can only alter the volume by the device. 
Other than this, I am very pleased with my new Openfit headphones.
Alison
alter the 

From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 3:56 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Shokz Openfit headphones

 I think you need the Shokz app to control your OpenFit headphones. Here is the 
link:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/shokz/id1596854072


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


On Feb 11, 2024, at 6:59 PM, Viola Bentson  wrote:

I’m not sure where the volume control is on these. I have been using my phone’s 
volume. The only thing I can do is stop or start music or hang up a call.
 
Viola
 
 
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 6:48 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Shokz Openfit headphones
 
Mark Taylor is the one who has the OpenFit. I have the OpenRun and OpenComm 
headphones. 
I do not know how the OpenFit work. Have you tried tapping the volume control 
when nothing is playing? 
 
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 




On Feb 11, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Viola Bentson  wrote:

Hi Richard. I just bought these headphones, and I really like them, however, is 
there no audio cues as to battery status? Sorry if you’ve covered this already. 
I really liked the way they fit with no band around the back of my head.
 
Viola
 
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 5:23 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Shokz Openfit headphones
 
If you do not get enough volume from the headphone control, you have to turn it 
up with the phone volume control. Make sure they are sitting on the bone in 
front of your ears. 
 
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 






On Feb 11, 2024, at 4:32 PM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:

These arrived today and I’m very pleased with them. Is there a way of 
increasing the volume, other than using the volume buttons on the iphone?
Alison
 
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RE: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

[M. Taylor]

Hello Mike,

As I have never used the Open Air models, I don’t think I can answer your 
question with any degree of certainty.

Open Fit is worn more like Air Pods except the speaker is located outside and 
just above the center of your ear while the Open Run Pro speakers sit in front 
of your ear, near the top of your jawbone.

That’s about the best I can do.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
Headphones for iPhone

Hi Mark,
 
What are the differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open fit models in 
regards as to how you wear them?  I currently use the Aftershokz Trekz-Air 
headset and like the way it fits, sounds  and works.  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2024 6:54 PM
Subject: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
Headphones for iPhone

Hello Everyone,

A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting
Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.

I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the
Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using
a Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.

I think they are absolutely amazing.

What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app
for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I
absolutely love.

The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.

In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days
later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  

With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which
to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.

The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.

There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit
model.
1.
The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.

2.
The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the
sound.

3.
Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both
ears.

4.
Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between
Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two,
devices, simultaneously.

You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me,
just go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.

Mark


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RE: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

[M. Taylor]

Hello Allison,

If you are seeking an Air Pods replacement for general indoor and outdoor use, 
I would definitely recommend the Open Fit model as, for all intent and 
purposes, they work the same as the Air Pods with the added advantage of having 
a tiny hook that goes behind the ear, keeping them firmly in place.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 2:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
Headphones for iPhone

These sound really interesting and may be just what I need.
A few months ago I purchased the Apple Airpods Generation 3 and, although they 
meet my needs, they are really poorly designed as I struggle to keep them in my 
ears and would certainly not risk going outdoors with them. I have tried other 
airpods but found they lagged when inputting text.
So, what I'm asking Is, do you have this issue with either the Open Run Pro 
bone conducting Bluetooth headsets or the Open Fit model and do you have a 
preference? If so, why?
Alison
  

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 2:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
Headphones for iPhone

Hello Everyone,

A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting 
Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.

I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the 
Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using a 
Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.

I think they are absolutely amazing.

What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app for 
iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I 
absolutely love.

The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.

In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days 
later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  

With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which to 
choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.

The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.

There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit model.
1.
The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.

2.
The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the 
sound.

3.
Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both ears.

4.
Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between 
Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two, devices, 
simultaneously.

You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me, just 
go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.

Mark


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RE: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

[M. Taylor]

Mary,

On your iPhone, if you type in Aftershock, in the search field of the App 
Store, you will see the app used to configure both the Open Run and Open Fit 
models.

Although every function of the app is VoiceOver accessible, some of the button 
labels are a little bit weird even though they do make sense.  

The primary reason you will use the app is to configure the sound profile, 
(music, Vocal, etc.), update the firmware, and enable or disable multipoint 
functionality.  Be patient with the app and with yourself.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 8:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
Headphones for iPhone

I just looked for an app in the App Store called shock as spelled in a message. 
I didn’t find anything useful. I did find something that I thought might be it, 
because it was spelled SHOKZ which is how I remember this having been spelled. 
But when I tapped on that, I got some app that was called speaker connect And 
gave me a three day trial with a subscription every month after that. I’m quite 
sure that’s not what I want. Can anybody give me a hint as to just what I need 
to search onto actually find this app. Thanks.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> You can also change the equalizer by pressing and holding both the volume up 
> and down button at the same time until the change is announced.
> Be sure to keep the box it came in as well as a copy of your receipt. I too 
> have the Open Run and have had other models throughout the years. I love the 
> bone conduction feature as it leaves my ears open. I'm one of those blindies 
> who loses all sense of direction if my ears are covered up. Anyway... the 
> reason I say to hold onto all your stuff for the headset is that for every 
> single version I've had, I have had to get a replacement roughly a year after 
> purchase. Getting a replacement thankfully is pretty seamless and it's a 
> generous 2 year warranty, but just something to keep in mind. This really is 
> the only gripe I have about the Shokz headsets.
> 
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 6:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
> Headphones for iPhone
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting 
> Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.
> 
> I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the 
> Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using a 
> Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.
> 
> I think they are absolutely amazing.
> 
> What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app 
> for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I 
> absolutely love.
> 
> The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.
> 
> In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days 
> later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  
> 
> With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which 
> to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.
> 
> The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.
> 
> There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit model.
> 1.
> The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.
> 
> 2.
> The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the 
> sound.
> 
> 3.
> Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both ears.
> 
> 4.
> Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between 
> Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two, 
> devices, simultaneously.
> 
> You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me, just 
> go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting
Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.

I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the
Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using
a Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.

I think they are absolutely amazing.

What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app
for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I
absolutely love.

The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.

In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days
later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  

With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which
to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.

The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.

There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit
model.
1.
The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.

2.
The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the
sound.

3.
Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both
ears.

4.
Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between
Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two,
devices, simultaneously.

You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me,
just go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.

Mark


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RE: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is inconsistent

[M. Taylor]

Hi Mary,

I almost always prefer to purchase via the Amazon primary site because the 
Audible version is much less expensive when you also purchase the Kindel 
version, at the same time.

I recently purchased a Kendle with Whisper sync title for a total of $11 while 
purchasing the Audible title, only, would have cost $22.

My advice?  Always check for Whisper sync and, if available, buy the Kindle 
version with audible narration.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is 
inconsistent

If you don’t see the option to buy with cash, as head out or though has said, 
make sure you updated your app. As for it being easier to purchase with a 
credit, sure it’s easier. It’s also stupid if the cash price is less than what 
you paid for the credit. If you’re willing to trade efficiency for cash, OK. 
I’m not. If they didn’t have the option, I would just do all my cash purchases 
online. On the website on my computer. However, since this option is available, 
I expect it to work all of the time, not just when it feels like it. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2024, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> The easiest way to purchase audible books through the app, is with 
> credits.  I have always done this, and will continue to do so.  It is 
> much easier, to purchase credits through the computer on the audible 
> website , then use the audible app to purchase books with those same 
> credits.  I just updated my audible app today as well.  Good luck.
> 
>> On 2/6/24, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> Maybe you haven't updated the Audible app from within the App Store? 
>> Make sure you've the latest update.
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 6 feb 2024, a la(s) 6:10 p.m., Barbara Stahl 
>>>  escribió:
>>> 
>>> That is so strange when I go into the Audible app every book I 
>>> click on it tells me that I can only purchase them with a credit 
>>> because this app does not support cash purchases how are you able to 
>>> do it
>>> 
 On Feb 6, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 At some point in the not too distant past, audible started 
 offering books in their app for cash. I bought a couple today, 
 because they were less than had I spent a credit. The first one I 
 bought, I had to try several times, it finally took me to the App 
 Store dialogue where I could confirm with the side button. Then I bought a 
 couple with credits.
 Finally, I wanted to buy one more with cash for the same reason I 
 quoted above. I tried several times, and all it would say is there 
 was an error and the purchase was unsuccessful. I got an OK button 
 and I could try again and again and again. I waited a few minutes and 
 tried again.
 Nothing. So I went to the website and bought it there. Has anyone 
 else experienced intermittent failure with this capability within the app?
 Mary
 
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RE: Uber Eats issue

[M. Taylor]

Thank you, William.

This is great info.  I did not know they had a customer service number.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
James
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Uber Eats issue

In adition to the help button, store this number in your contact.  Denise and I 
have had to call Uber Eats and were very satisfied with the results. 

Ubereats Customer Service Phone Number (800) 253-9377



Sent from my iPad Air 5


On Jan 29, 2024, at 11:36 PM, Matt White  wrote:
If you get into your order status, there is a help button for each order. If 
you click on that, it’ll walk you through a form where you can select issues 
like the order never arrived. They will most likely just issue you a refund.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 29, 2024, at 22:29, mailto:billoutman...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello, list.  
I had a mishap occur earlier this evening I have never experienced, and wonder 
what additional steps I need to take.  
I put in a McDonald’s order but the driver never showed, and despite repeated 
attempts I could not connect with her.  So I rated her thumbs down and selected 
a couple options for problems, but they didn’t really fit.  
I put in a second order, the same one I had intended, a bit later, and it came. 
 I discussed with the fellow what had happened, and he didn’t have any further 
advice other than what I had done and to contact Uber.  
I am concerned about having a double charge when I only got the one order.  I 
need to know the correct procedure to follow at this point.  
 
I have in the last wee already had to eat, quite literally, a pizza order 
situation wherein I ended up with a double order because a call center messed 
up and two orders got run when I was left on hold for taking my check card 
number, and a second agent reran the order since we didn’t know the first one 
had been sent.  At least then I had an overabundance that I could enjoy over a 
couple days.  
 
Bill Outman 
 
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RE: iOS 17.3, Anyone?

[M. Taylor]

That's great news, Ryan.

Let's hope we can all report the same.

Thanks again.

Mark

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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 2:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 17.3, Anyone?

I installed it and I have not noticed any new bugs yet. 
Ryan Mann
Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


> On Jan 24, 2024, at 5:51 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I see that iOS 17.3 is now available.
> 
> Has anyone installed it yet?  If so, are there any new bugs to report? 
> Or any issues that we should know?
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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iOS 17.3, Anyone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

I see that iOS 17.3 is now available.

Has anyone installed it yet?  If so, are there any new bugs to report? Or
any issues that we should know?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: Alexa iPhone app broken

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sarai,

Okay, so you are, in fact, using Alexa to control the Thermostat, manually, (or 
on the fly), so to speak.

So, in short, for those on the list who are not familiar with Smart 
thermostats, the problem you are encountering has to do with the automated 
function of the app.  This is to say, at present, you can no longer schedule an 
automatic start and stop time for the thermostat to engage / disengage.

Again, for those who have not used such a feature:  If, for example, I know 
that I want to take a morning shower, every day at 4AM, at which time I know 
that my house will be particularly cold, I can schedule the thermostat to 
engage at 3:45AM and then automatically disengage at 4:15AM, on a daily basis.

Yes, Sarai, the bug you've encountered is definitely an accessibility setback 
but not so dire as I first feared.

I recently reported a slightly different Home Kit thermostat bug to Apple; said 
bug having to do with how VoiceOver users can no longer set a temperature 
range, independently of each point in the range in the latest release of iOS.  
Again, a bit of a setback but not a proverbial dealbreaker, by any means.

I am so glad to learn that you can manually control your device via Alexa, if 
nothing else, and stay warm.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Alexa iPhone app broken

Hi Mark:
My work around is to use Aira or to tell Alexa to set it. Unfortunately I need 
to adjust the schedule that was pre-set by me due to cold temps. I had someone 
sighted adjust that part. Definitely a step back.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; M. Taylor 
Subject: Re: Alexa iPhone app broken

Without more information about this thermostat, it is hard to say. However, a 
lot of these thermostats are usable by Elexa or Siri.  If this person has the 
app on there phone or computer, go into the settings of it and find the model 
and name of it so we can help.  I'd venture to say it can be used by Siri as 
well as Elexa, but I can't be 100% until I see the brand and model number and 
what heating equipment it is being used on.  Then some research can be done to 
help.

Dave


On 1/17/2024 3:03 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Sarai,
>
> I simply hate the idea of you no longer having access to your thermostat.  
> Have you come up with a workaround?  Is there someone in your home who can, 
> in fact, set the thermostat on your behalf? Until you can find a solution?
>
> It may sound funny but is the Amazon thermostat compatible with either the 
> Google assistant? Or Apple Home Kit?  Do not assume the answer is, "No."  Can 
> you adjust the controls of the thermostat via Alexa?  I did some checking and 
> Alexa should be able to accept voice commands for the device.
>
> I do not know your situation but please remember that there are a lot of 
> non-touchscreen thermostats on the market and I am certain that you can find 
> one from a local hardware store or online.
>
> As I have stated in previous posts, when purchasing household critical 
> appliances such as thermostats, washer / dryer, stoves,  make certain that 
> the device can be operated via hardware controls because one never knows when 
> Smart access will be broken.
>
> Please keep us posted on this.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Alexa iPhone app broken
>
> Hi:
> Amazon basics thermostat use to work fie for scheduling home, away and sleep 
> times. Now you cannot set a scheduled event nor adjust thermostat, not even 
> with screen recognition.
> Open Alexa.
> Choose devices.
> Choose your thermostat.
> Tap view or edit schedule button.
> Then press the touchable action button. Nothing happens.
> They've rearranged the app.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> David Grossoehme
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 12:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; M. Taylor 
> Subject: Re: Alexa iPhone app broken
>
> Is this a problem from the start of using the Elexa Basic Thermostat, or have 
> you been using it for awhile and it just stopped?  Are you using other 
> devices in your household with Elexa or is this the only device? If you have 
> been using the thermostat for sometime, how did it stop working?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 1/14/2024 5:38 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Sarai,
>>
>> Can you be more specific on how the app is broken?
>>
>&g

RE: Alexa iPhone app broken

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sarai,

I simply hate the idea of you no longer having access to your thermostat.  Have 
you come up with a workaround?  Is there someone in your home who can, in fact, 
set the thermostat on your behalf? Until you can find a solution?  

It may sound funny but is the Amazon thermostat compatible with either the 
Google assistant? Or Apple Home Kit?  Do not assume the answer is, "No."  Can 
you adjust the controls of the thermostat via Alexa?  I did some checking and 
Alexa should be able to accept voice commands for the device.

I do not know your situation but please remember that there are a lot of 
non-touchscreen thermostats on the market and I am certain that you can find 
one from a local hardware store or online.

As I have stated in previous posts, when purchasing household critical 
appliances such as thermostats, washer / dryer, stoves,  make certain that the 
device can be operated via hardware controls because one never knows when Smart 
access will be broken.

Please keep us posted on this.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 7:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Alexa iPhone app broken

Hi:
Amazon basics thermostat use to work fie for scheduling home, away and sleep 
times. Now you cannot set a scheduled event nor adjust thermostat, not even 
with screen recognition.
Open Alexa.
Choose devices.
Choose your thermostat. 
Tap view or edit schedule button.
Then press the touchable action button. Nothing happens.
They've rearranged the app.




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; M. Taylor 
Subject: Re: Alexa iPhone app broken

Is this a problem from the start of using the Elexa Basic Thermostat, or have 
you been using it for awhile and it just stopped?  Are you using other devices 
in your household with Elexa or is this the only device? If you have been using 
the thermostat for sometime, how did it stop working?

Dave


On 1/14/2024 5:38 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Sarai,
>
> Can you be more specific on how the app is broken?
>
> This is to say, can you provide the steps to recreate the problem?
>
> Also, does the Amazon basics thermostat have hardware buttons by which to 
> control the device? Or is it all touch screen?  Do you no longer have access 
> to the device?  This is to say, can you no longer control the device at all?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2024 7:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Alexa iPhone app broken
>
> Hi all:
> If you have the Amazon basics thermostat and try and set schedule or temp 
> with the Alexa iPhone app, you cannot. Looks like they broke it.

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RE: Alexa iPhone app broken

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sarai,

Can you be more specific on how the app is broken?

This is to say, can you provide the steps to recreate the problem?

Also, does the Amazon basics thermostat have hardware buttons by which to 
control the device? Or is it all touch screen?  Do you no longer have access to 
the device?  This is to say, can you no longer control the device at all?

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2024 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Alexa iPhone app broken

Hi all:
If you have the Amazon basics thermostat and try and set schedule or temp with 
the Alexa iPhone app, you cannot. Looks like they broke it.
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RE: Siri and music recognition

[M. Taylor]

Hello Tom,

I am running the latest commercial release of iOS on my beloved 14 and Siri 
identifies music just as well as it has always done.

In fact, even in a crowded restaurant or out on the sidewalk, Siri has never 
failed to respond with the name of the song in question.

A couple of days ago, while in a car at a stop light, I heard music being 
played from another vehicle and, even as the light changed and our respective 
vehicles began to move farther apart, Siri managed to grab the name of the song 
the driver of the other car was playing.

When I ask Siri to identify a song, I never have a headset attached to the 
device.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 7:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

Yes, Alexa—enabled Sonos speakers are using Tune-in Radio to  bring in KEGR 
Radio out of northern California. Using Pandora on the same speakers to bring 
in the George Friedrich Handel channel I get the same results. 


On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:
To make sure I understand your issue, you are listening to something through 
the Sonos system and ask your iPhone to identify the song; is that correct? Are 
you using Sonos Radio, TuneIn, Spotify, or what for your source? I'll try to 
dumplicate the issue but want to know I'm trying the same situation. 


Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
Hi folks,
Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? 
Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
Tom 

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RE: Incoming call name announcement

[M. Taylor]

Hello Marilyn,

I have two suggestions for you:

1.
Increase the length of time it takes for an incoming call to be sent to 
voicemail.  In the US, the default time is set to 20 seconds.  However, you can 
call your wireless provider customer service department and request that the 
time be increased up to 40 seconds.

2.
During an incoming call, simply press the Volume Up button, once, located on 
the side of your iPhone.  Doing this will silence the ring tone and allow you 
to touch the display screen in order to get VoiceOver to speak the caller ID of 
the incoming call.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of MARILYN 
AND DON BILDERBACK 
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 10:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Incoming call name announcement

When a call comes into my cell phone, unless I am holding it or have it very 
nearby, I can never catch the announcement.  Whether unknown call or the name 
of a person in my contacts, I fail to know what it said.  Is there a solution? 

Marilyn
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RE: Question: Trying to Remember the name of an iOS App that Allowed Off-Road Navigation for the Blind and Low Vision

[M. Taylor]

Okay, Jennie,

Nicely done.

Again, thank you so much.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question: Trying to Remember the name of an iOS App that Allowed 
Off-Road Navigation for the Blind and Low Vision

I believe it is. I don't think it has been updated for a long time, but I think 
you can still download it.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi

> On Dec 31, 2023, at 5:06 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jennie,
> 
> Yes, that's it
> 
> Bravo!  Amazing how you remembered it.
> 
> Is it still around?
> 
> Thank you so much.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Jennie Facer
> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 3:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question: Trying to Remember the name of an iOS App that 
> Allowed Off-Road Navigation for the Blind and Low Vision
> 
> Are you talking about Ariadne GPS?
> 
> Jenn
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2023, at 4:16 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone and Happy New Year!
>> 
>> Many years ago, there was an iOS app for the blind and low vision 
>> that would allow one to drop a virtual pin at point A and then drop 
>> subsequent pins to any location, on or off road, then would provide 
>> feedback when the user wanted to travel that same path in the future.
>> 
>> I remember using it to walk to my mailbox, many, many years ago, at night.
>> It was quite a nice little app and I wonder if it is still around or 
>> was renamed or something.
>> 
>> I think the last time I used it was back in 2014, or thereabouts.
>> 
>> Does anyone recall the name of the app or does anyone know of a 
>> similar app that provides the same functionality, these days?
>> 
>> All replies appreciated and, again, Happy New Year to Everyone!
>> 
>> Mark
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RE: Question: Trying to Remember the name of an iOS App that Allowed Off-Road Navigation for the Blind and Low Vision

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jennie,

Yes, that's it

Bravo!  Amazing how you remembered it.

Is it still around?

Thank you so much.

Mark

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Off-Road Navigation for the Blind and Low Vision

Are you talking about Ariadne GPS?

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi

> On Dec 31, 2023, at 4:16 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone and Happy New Year!
> 
> Many years ago, there was an iOS app for the blind and low vision that 
> would allow one to drop a virtual pin at point A and then drop 
> subsequent pins to any location, on or off road, then would provide 
> feedback when the user wanted to travel that same path in the future.
> 
> I remember using it to walk to my mailbox, many, many years ago, at night.
> It was quite a nice little app and I wonder if it is still around or 
> was renamed or something.
> 
> I think the last time I used it was back in 2014, or thereabouts.
> 
> Does anyone recall the name of the app or does anyone know of a 
> similar app that provides the same functionality, these days?
> 
> All replies appreciated and, again, Happy New Year to Everyone!
> 
> Mark
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Question: Trying to Remember the name of an iOS App that Allowed Off-Road Navigation for the Blind and Low Vision

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone and Happy New Year!

Many years ago, there was an iOS app for the blind and low vision that would
allow one to drop a virtual pin at point A and then drop subsequent pins to
any location, on or off road, then would provide feedback when the user
wanted to travel that same path in the future.

I remember using it to walk to my mailbox, many, many years ago, at night.
It was quite a nice little app and I wonder if it is still around or was
renamed or something.

I think the last time I used it was back in 2014, or thereabouts.

Does anyone recall the name of the app or does anyone know of a similar app
that provides the same functionality, these days?

All replies appreciated and, again, Happy New Year to Everyone!

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RE: Amazon Prime Apple TV app channels

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sarai,

After reading your post, I immediately checked the Prime TV app on my Apple TV 
running the latest versions of both TV OS and the Prime TV app, and all of my 
purchased movies and television shows, along with titles I've recently viewed, 
are in the My Stuff area, just as expected.

So, you may want to check the status of your Amazon account.

Also, if you have not yet done so, open the Prime TV app on any other devices 
you may have such as iOS or iPad OS and take a look.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 1:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Amazon Prime Apple TV app channels

Okay let me clarify.
I’m using the Apple TV device with the Prime app. My channels and purchased 
items are not showing up on the Prime app in the Apple TV hardware device.

From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: Amazon Prime Apple TV app channels

Prime and Apple TV have their own apps. Perhaps you can log into your Prime 
subscription from the TV app, but I just use the Prime video app for Prime and 
the TV app for Apple. 


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On Dec 29, 2023, at 11:55 AM, mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:

Wow:
What did they do to the Apple TV Prime video app?
I cannot locate any of my subscribed channels, or purchased movies.
Nothing is appearing under my stuff.
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RE: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen controller in iOS 17.2?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Harry,

Yes, if I manually lock the screen during Speech Screen playback, on a Kindle 
title, speech will stop at the end of the current page.

However, when reading text from the web or other various text, locking the 
screen does not cause playback to stop.

When it's all said and done, Speech Screen behaves differently depending upon 
what is being read.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen 
controller in iOS 17.2?

Mark,  thank you very much for the details. Your instructions work perfectly, 
except that you do not refer to having the screen locked after starting the 
Speak Screen process. Yes, if the screen remains unlocked, the speak. Screen 
turns pages and carries on talking. But if after starting the speak screen 
feature, I lock the screen, the Speak Screen voice simply stops at the end of 
current page and does not restart and does not turn the page over. Is that your 
experience too? Thanks 

> On 28 Dec 2023, at 17:33, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Harry,
> 
> First, in order to have the Speech screen feature read a Kindle title, 
> scrolling through the pages as it reads the text:
> 
> 1.
> Make certain that the Kindle app for iOS is closed and removed from the App 
> Switcher.
> 
> 2.
> From the Spoken Content area of Settings, enable the Speech controller.  I 
> suggest that you set the control opacity to 100%.
> 
> 3.
> On the Home screen / LaunchPad of your iPhone, locate the Speech Controller 
> and expand and collapse it a couple of times in order to become familiar with 
> how it works.  Note that the Controller floats on top of the display and will 
> remain in the same location on the screen.
> 
> 4.
> With the Controller collapsed, launch the Kindle app and open a title.  Place 
> focus on the title from the point from which you would like the Speech 
> Controller to read.
> 
> 5.
> Now, expand the Controller and activate the Play button.  As long as focus 
> remains on the Controller, it will read the text of the Kindle title, 
> continuously.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 2:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen 
> controller in iOS 17.2?
> 
> Whenever i start Speak Screen, for example reading a Kindle book on iPhone 15 
> pro or iPad pro M2,  it always stops at the end of the page,  refusing to 
> turn the page. This has been my experience for a long time.  Any suggestions 
> about how to fix it?
> Thanks
> Harry
> 
>> On 27 Dec 2023, at 23:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Gentlemen,
>> 
>> There are several reasons why the Speech controller can prove to be most 
>> helpful.
>> 
>> 1.
>> Even though Siri can read correctly formatted websites, out lout, it cannot 
>> read articles from Apple’s own News app.  Amazing, eh?  So, as I am a big 
>> fan of Apple News Plus, and frequently find myself reading long articles 
>> while on the move or doing chores, where I may need to easily stop and start 
>> Siri playback, engaging the Speech controller allows me playback options 
>> similar to those found in BARD Mobile, Libby, and the Audible app.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Although I am Alexa’s number one fan when it comes to enjoying Kindle books 
>> via the Kindle app for iOS, slowly but surely, Amazon has removed Wired Ear 
>> Pods playback functionality from the Alexa app.  This is to say, one has to 
>> use Voice commands, more and more, in order to engage Alexa.  There are many 
>> scenarios in which voice commands simply stop working, for example, if 
>> iPhone locks or another app grabs focus.
>> 
>> Fortunately, the native Apple speech controller works better with the Kindel 
>> app for iOS than ever before.  So, while certainly not my first choice, if 
>> given the option, Siri does a remarkably fine job of reading Kindle books 
>> with more wired Ear Pods playback functionality than Alexa has offered in 
>> over two years.  And the best part?  The speech controller now actively 
>> causes the Kindle app to turn pages, as it reads, just like my beloved Alexa.
>> 
>> So, there you have it, two reasons why I find the native speech controller 
>> an essential treat in the Apple orchard.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 12:43 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: With VoiceOver enab

RE: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen controller in iOS 17.2?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Harry,

First, in order to have the Speech screen feature read a Kindle title, 
scrolling through the pages as it reads the text:

1.
Make certain that the Kindle app for iOS is closed and removed from the App 
Switcher.

2.
>From the Spoken Content area of Settings, enable the Speech controller.  I 
>suggest that you set the control opacity to 100%.

3.
On the Home screen / LaunchPad of your iPhone, locate the Speech Controller and 
expand and collapse it a couple of times in order to become familiar with how 
it works.  Note that the Controller floats on top of the display and will 
remain in the same location on the screen.

4.
With the Controller collapsed, launch the Kindle app and open a title.  Place 
focus on the title from the point from which you would like the Speech 
Controller to read.

5.
Now, expand the Controller and activate the Play button.  As long as focus 
remains on the Controller, it will read the text of the Kindle title, 
continuously.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 2:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen 
controller in iOS 17.2?

Whenever i start Speak Screen, for example reading a Kindle book on iPhone 15 
pro or iPad pro M2,  it always stops at the end of the page,  refusing to turn 
the page. This has been my experience for a long time.  Any suggestions about 
how to fix it? 
Thanks
Harry

> On 27 Dec 2023, at 23:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Gentlemen,
> 
> There are several reasons why the Speech controller can prove to be most 
> helpful.
> 
> 1.
> Even though Siri can read correctly formatted websites, out lout, it cannot 
> read articles from Apple’s own News app.  Amazing, eh?  So, as I am a big fan 
> of Apple News Plus, and frequently find myself reading long articles while on 
> the move or doing chores, where I may need to easily stop and start Siri 
> playback, engaging the Speech controller allows me playback options similar 
> to those found in BARD Mobile, Libby, and the Audible app.
> 
> 2.
> Although I am Alexa’s number one fan when it comes to enjoying Kindle books 
> via the Kindle app for iOS, slowly but surely, Amazon has removed Wired Ear 
> Pods playback functionality from the Alexa app.  This is to say, one has to 
> use Voice commands, more and more, in order to engage Alexa.  There are many 
> scenarios in which voice commands simply stop working, for example, if iPhone 
> locks or another app grabs focus.
> 
> Fortunately, the native Apple speech controller works better with the Kindel 
> app for iOS than ever before.  So, while certainly not my first choice, if 
> given the option, Siri does a remarkably fine job of reading Kindle books 
> with more wired Ear Pods playback functionality than Alexa has offered in 
> over two years.  And the best part?  The speech controller now actively 
> causes the Kindle app to turn pages, as it reads, just like my beloved Alexa.
> 
> So, there you have it, two reasons why I find the native speech controller an 
> essential treat in the Apple orchard.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 12:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen 
> controller in iOS 17.2?
> 
> Good question Sieghard, 
> I thought that was mostly for non-VoiceOver users, or in the case of speak 
> screen, if you wanted to lock the phone while reading something lengthy. But 
> speak screen only requires a two finger swipe down from the status bar... In 
> the past, having both speak selection and speak screen on with VoiceOver 
> caused more distraction than helping. But there must be a specific case where 
> all that is desired. 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 27, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> 
> wrote:
> Sorry for my ignorance, but what are the benefits of using this speech 
> controller?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 12:05 AM
> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen 
> controller in iOS 17.2?
> 
> Did you remember to set the size of your speaking bar? I set mine to 52%  I 
> found it at the top next to the volume up button on

RE: VoiceOver Fails on iPhone 15 Pro

[M. Taylor]

Richard,

If you see well enough to disable the Bluetooth radio, on your 15, then you 
should be good to power down the device.

After restarting the 15, if you do not hear VO, make certain that both the 
Bluetooth and the WiFi radios are disabled.

Next, first disable and then enable VO.

Next, with a pair of wired ear pods attached, try that volume up button, again.

It sounds to me as though your phone is connected to CarPlay or some kind of 
external audio device.

Let us know how it goes.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver Fails on iPhone 15 Pro

Dennis, thanks very much. I followed your recommendation to triple press the 
side button. Alas , no success. I’ll keep plugging away.

From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:15 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver Fails on iPhone 15 Pro

Triple press the side button then do it again.  I haven’t had this issue on the 
15 pro max.

From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 9:07 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VoiceOver Fails on iPhone 15 Pro

If anyone has a solution to what I describe below, I will appreciate your help.

This evening VoiceOver stopped speaking on my iPhone 15 Pro.
• I hear the VoiceOver clicks and other sounds when I swipe up to activate the 
phone, but no speech.
• I hear the VoiceOver clicks and other sounds when I swipe left and right, but 
no speech.
• I’ve turned the volume up high; the VoiceOver sounds get louder, but no 
speech.
• A three finger double tap does not bring up speech as it should.
• I have attempted to use the voice command, “Siri, turn speech on,” or  “Siri, 
turn speech off.” Neither will voice.
• I have checked for Bluetooth devices that might be connected, but all are 
turned off. Also, if this were a Bluetooth conflict, I don’t think I would be 
hearing the VoiceOver sounds.

Thanks very much.

Richard Petty
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RE: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen controller in iOS 17.2?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Gentlemen,

There are several reasons why the Speech controller can prove to be most 
helpful.

1.
Even though Siri can read correctly formatted websites, out lout, it cannot 
read articles from Apple’s own News app.  Amazing, eh?  So, as I am a big fan 
of Apple News Plus, and frequently find myself reading long articles while on 
the move or doing chores, where I may need to easily stop and start Siri 
playback, engaging the Speech controller allows me playback options similar to 
those found in BARD Mobile, Libby, and the Audible app.

2.
Although I am Alexa’s number one fan when it comes to enjoying Kindle books via 
the Kindle app for iOS, slowly but surely, Amazon has removed Wired Ear Pods 
playback functionality from the Alexa app.  This is to say, one has to use 
Voice commands, more and more, in order to engage Alexa.  There are many 
scenarios in which voice commands simply stop working, for example, if iPhone 
locks or another app grabs focus.

Fortunately, the native Apple speech controller works better with the Kindel 
app for iOS than ever before.  So, while certainly not my first choice, if 
given the option, Siri does a remarkably fine job of reading Kindle books with 
more wired Ear Pods playback functionality than Alexa has offered in over two 
years.  And the best part?  The speech controller now actively causes the 
Kindle app to turn pages, as it reads, just like my beloved Alexa.

So, there you have it, two reasons why I find the native speech controller an 
essential treat in the Apple orchard.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 12:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen 
controller in iOS 17.2?

Good question Sieghard, 
I thought that was mostly for non-VoiceOver users, or in the case of speak 
screen, if you wanted to lock the phone while reading something lengthy. But 
speak screen only requires a two finger swipe down from the status bar... In 
the past, having both speak selection and speak screen on with VoiceOver caused 
more distraction than helping. But there must be a specific case where all that 
is desired. 


Richard, USA
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On Dec 27, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
Sorry for my ignorance, but what are the benefits of using this speech 
controller?

-Original Message-
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 12:05 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen 
controller in iOS 17.2?

Did you remember to set the size of your speaking bar? I set mine to 52%  I 
found it at the top next to the volume up button on the left side of the phone.
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From: "M. Taylor" <mailto:markthew...@gmail.com>
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 11:05 PM
Subject: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen controller 
in iOS 17.2?


Hello All,

I feel as though I am missing something.  Try as I may, I cannot locate the 
Speech controller in iOS 17.2 when VoiceOver is enabled.  Please do the 
following on your iOS 17.2 device:

1.
>From the Accessibility Settings area, select, Spoken Content.

2.
Enable Speak Selection.

3.
Enable Speak Screen.

4.
Select Speech Controller and enable, Show Controller.

Now, open any app with text or, for that matter, open any dialog box in a list 
view, such as the settings area and see if you can get the feature to work.

There used to be a way to see the speech controls at the top of the screen but, 
try as I may, I cannot find them.

By the way, I have my Spoken Content voice set to Siri.

All replies most appreciated.

Mark


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For Those with Dual SIMs installed on iPhone Running iOS 17.2.1 or later, Have you Noticed that iMessage Automatically Switches to the Default SIM Regardless of your Selection?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I recently came across this issue on my beloved 14 and, upon searching the
web, discovered hundreds and hundreds of others, encountering the same
issue.

In order to see this issue, in action, it is best to have access to both the
phone that is sending the iMessage and the phone that is receiving the
iMessage.  It's best, but not necessary.

This issue only occurs when sending iMessages, not standard SMS messages.

Okay, here is the scenario:

1.
You have two active SIM cards on an iPhone running the latest version of
iOS.  For simplicity's sake I will refer to them as a primary line and a
secondary line; or as a primary number and a secondary number.

2.
Make certain that both lines are registered in the iMessage app and that
both are active in iMessage.  This is to say, you can send and receive
iMessages using either number / line.  To insure that both numbers are truly
registered with the iMessage servers, First disable and then enable iMessage
in the Settings area.

3.
>From within the iMessage Settings dialog box, select the primary SIM as the
default line from which to start all new iMessages.

4.
In a new iMessage, select a saved contact and send the iMessage from the
secondary line.  This is to say, as you compose your message, in the, from,
field, select the secondary line and then send the iMessage.  More likely
than not, the recipient will receive the message from your primary number,
instead of the secondary number, you manually selected.

You can check this, for your self by doing the following:

1.
>From within the Message app, open the thread to the message you just sent.

2.
Near the top of the screen, in the center, single-finger, double-tap on the
name of the contact listed at the top of the thread.  This will open a
dialog box.

3.
Now swipe to the right until you hear VoiceOver say, "Conversation line."

4.
Swipe, once more, to the right and VO will land on an unlabeled button.

5.
Single-finger, double-tap on this unlabeled button.  A 2-item list box will
be displayed.

6.
Swipe right, then swipe left, a couple of times and you will hear VO speak
the name of each line and, upon the second swiping pair, you will hear VO
announce with item is selected.  This will be the line from which your
iMessage was actually sent.  It will, most likely show that the primary line
is selected.

You can, of course, at this point select the secondary line and close the
dialog box to be returned to the active messaging thread.  Just above the
edit field, near the bottom of the display, you will find displayed text
that indicates that the line has been switched, meaning that your next
iMessage to this contact, from within this thread will now be sent from the
secondary line.

Go ahead and send another message and you will, most likely discover that,
yet again, iMessage automatically switched you back to the primary line.

Interesting, eh?  

Question, has anyone in the group encountered this, besides me?

Mark


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RE: Seeing own messages from Google

[M. Taylor]

Hello Max,

I do not know why the native Mac OS email client does not show one's own posts 
to Google Groups; I only know that, it is so. And, has been so for many, many 
years.

I can assure you that Apple has received many bug reports on this and, afar as 
I am aware, they have not taken steps to resolve the issue.

Now that I think about it, there was a time when the native iOS mail client 
behaved the same way but, for whatever reason, the issue was resolved, quite a 
while ago.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Max
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 12:21 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Re: Seeing own messages from Google

Hi Mark,
how is the Apple software a problem.
I am reading the messages on a Mac and have no problems seeing messages I send 
to other groups other than Google.
I am not doubting you just am interested why this is so.
Thanks for all you do.
Max.

> On 26 Dec 2023, at 16:52, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Max,
> 
> You can Cc (carbon copy) yourself on messages sent to the group in order to 
> insure that they were, at least, sent out to the gMail servers.
> 
> Please note that the fact that you can not automatically see messages posted 
> to the Google group is a function of the Apple software and not some kind of 
> limitation of Google.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Max
> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 2:27 PM
> To: iPhone List 
> Subject: Seeing own messages from Google
> 
> Hi all,
> I may have asked this question before if I did I am sorry but I have 
> forgotten the answer.
> How can I see my own messages I send to Google groups?
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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RE: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen controller in iOS 17.2?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Harry,

Thank you for your post.  Fortunately, list member, Robert, was able to locate 
the solution.  Please see his post that appears in this thread.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen 
controller in iOS 17.2?

Mark,  you are quite right - this feature no longer works! 
Time to report to Apple
Harry

> On 26 Dec 2023, at 06:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I feel as though I am missing something.  Try as I may, I cannot 
> locate the Speech controller in iOS 17.2 when VoiceOver is enabled.  
> Please do the following on your iOS 17.2 device:
> 
> 1.
> From the Accessibility Settings area, select, Spoken Content.
> 
> 2.
> Enable Speak Selection.
> 
> 3.
> Enable Speak Screen.
> 
> 4.
> Select Speech Controller and enable, Show Controller.
> 
> Now, open any app with text or, for that matter, open any dialog box 
> in a list view, such as the settings area and see if you can get the 
> feature to work.
> 
> There used to be a way to see the speech controls at the top of the 
> screen but, try as I may, I cannot find them.
> 
> By the way, I have my Spoken Content voice set to Siri.
> 
> All replies most appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen controller in iOS 17.2?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Robert,

Thank you so very much.  

I had neglected to adjust the opaqueness of the speaking bar.  The setting is 
labeled Idle Opacity and I neglected to read the description that follows the 
adjustment control.  

To be honest, but for your post, I don't think I would have ever associated the 
opacity setting of the control with my inability to locate the control on the 
screen.  I set my idle opacity to 100% and now the control is easily located.

Thank you, again.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 12:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen 
controller in iOS 17.2?

Did you remember to set the size of your speaking bar? I set mine to 52%  I 
found it at the top next to the volume up button on the left side of the phone.
- Original Message -
From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 11:05 PM
Subject: With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen controller 
in iOS 17.2?


Hello All,

I feel as though I am missing something.  Try as I may, I cannot locate the 
Speech controller in iOS 17.2 when VoiceOver is enabled.  Please do the 
following on your iOS 17.2 device:

1.
>From the Accessibility Settings area, select, Spoken Content.

2.
Enable Speak Selection.

3.
Enable Speak Screen.

4.
Select Speech Controller and enable, Show Controller.

Now, open any app with text or, for that matter, open any dialog box in a list 
view, such as the settings area and see if you can get the feature to work.

There used to be a way to see the speech controls at the top of the screen but, 
try as I may, I cannot find them.

By the way, I have my Spoken Content voice set to Siri.

All replies most appreciated.

Mark


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With VoiceOver enabled, Can anyone locate the Speech Screen controller in iOS 17.2?

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

I feel as though I am missing something.  Try as I may, I cannot locate the
Speech controller in iOS 17.2 when VoiceOver is enabled.  Please do the
following on your iOS 17.2 device:

1.
>From the Accessibility Settings area, select, Spoken Content.

2.
Enable Speak Selection.

3.
Enable Speak Screen.

4.
Select Speech Controller and enable, Show Controller.

Now, open any app with text or, for that matter, open any dialog box in a
list view, such as the settings area and see if you can get the feature to
work.

There used to be a way to see the speech controls at the top of the screen
but, try as I may, I cannot find them.

By the way, I have my Spoken Content voice set to Siri.

All replies most appreciated.

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RE: Seeing own messages from Google

[M. Taylor]

Max,

You can Cc (carbon copy) yourself on messages sent to the group in order to 
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Please note that the fact that you can not automatically see messages posted to 
the Google group is a function of the Apple software and not some kind of 
limitation of Google.

Mark


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Max
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 2:27 PM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Seeing own messages from Google

Hi all,
I may have asked this question before if I did I am sorry but I have forgotten 
the answer.
How can I see my own messages I send to Google groups?
Thanks for any help.
Max.

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RE: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

[M. Taylor]

Hello Carolyn,

You only need to provide an email address and password, to sign in.

You may use any of your Apple, Google, Facebook email addresses or create a new 
one on the fly.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 11:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

What do you do to set up account with Be my AI? 

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Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 6:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

Hi,
It isn't the most straightforward if you haven't been in it before. You want to 
double tap I need visual assistance. Then I can't recall if you're prompted to 
create an account the first time but once done you'll then see the options to 
either call a live person or make use of AI.
I hope that helps.
Take good care,
Robin


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Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 5:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

It should be one of the tabs at the bottom of the screen.


-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 4:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

Hello Richard and Everyone,

I was going to start a new thread but decided to ask my questions here:

After hearing so many wonderful comments regarding Be My Eyes, along with the 
description you just posted about how the app can describe something without 
human intervention, I decided to download it and give it a try.

Did I miss something?  When I launch the app, I only see, no pun intended, 2 
options (1), I need visual assistance, call company or volunteer and (2), I’d 
like to volunteer, share your sight.

I was hoping to use the app’s AI image description, only, at this point.

How does one activate that feature?

The app store indicates that there are in-app purchases but, even after 
exploring the website, I cannot determine what the various fees are for and how 
they work. For example, in the app store there seems to be a purchase for 
$19.95.  What does this particular fee cover?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 12:48 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

I just updated Envision AI and it mentioned something about improved 
descriptions. 
I took a picture and it said, "I'm not sure but it could be a room with a tv on 
a table." 
I did the same scene with Be My Eyes AI and got the following. 

The picture shows a living room with a cozy and homely atmosphere. On the left, 
there is a wooden rocking chair with a black jacket draped over it. In the 
center, a flat-screen TV is placed on a wooden stand, and beneath the stand, 
there appears to be a cable box or DVD player. To the right of the TV, there's 
a lamp with a classic design on a small table. Behind the TV, a window with 
white curtains allows natural light to enter the room. On the right side of the 
image, a decorated Christmas tree is partially visible, suggesting the photo 
was taken during the holiday season. The walls are painted in a light color, 
and there is a large, framed artwork of a Christmas tree above the rocking 
chair. The floor is wooden, and in the foreground, a corner of a quilt with a 
patchwork design can be seen, indicating the viewer might be sitting on a couch 
or bed covered with this quilt.

Image description provided with Be My Eyes.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
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Okay, I Think I'm Addicted, to the New Apple Journalling App for iOS 17.2 or Later

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I started using the Apple Journalling app, a couple of days ago, and wow!  I
think I'm in love.

I have the app set to automatically make suggestions, based on my activity,
throughout the day, and boy is it thorough.  These suggestions are excellent
launch pads from which to compose an entry.

One can either type an entry or make an audio entry, kind of like an
officer's log frequently used throughout the Star Trek television franchise.

You know, many, many moons ago, when I was but a lad, I used to keep a daily
(almost daily) journal, in hardcopy Braille.  I think I did this for over 7
years and, eventually, the amount of paper grew too large to store in my
tiny, one bedroom apartment, so I gave it up.

Now fast-forward, in time, and now we have the technology to not only write
with a Braille display or QWERTY keyboard but to also make recordings and
store that precious information on a tiny handheld device.  Absolutely
amazing!

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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[M. Taylor]

This is wonderful feedback, my friend.  Thank you for posting.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

[M. Taylor]

Hello Debbie,

You ask an interesting question.

I’m not certain why you would want a smoke detector that has an accompanying 
app but I can tell you that Home Depot and Lowe’s sell smoke detectives that 
have voice responses built-in.

I have several throughout my home as I add more and mor as the older ones 
expire.

These models have user replaceable batteries and there is a test button on the 
unit that, when pressed, causes the unit to speak in a very loud and clear 
voice that tells you if the unit is in good working order.  When the battery is 
low, the unit will automatically repeatedly announce that the battery is low.  
Finally, and I hope you never need this, when smoke is detected, the unit makes 
a low loud noise and repeatedly says that smoke has been detected.

I absolutely love these models as the cost, per unit, is more than reasonable 
given the accessibility of the unit.  I think the last one I installed costs 
around $20.

Oh, and they have models that can be wired directly into the electricity system 
of the house, also.

A quick Amazon search will result in several different models being displayed 
but, as I said, for me, I just go over to my local big box home goods store and 
buy them as needed.
Mark
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
April Yuille
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 8:50 PM
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Subject: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

Hi All

Does anyone know which Wi-Fi smoke detectors have apps that are accessible with 
Voice Over?

Cheers and happy holidays.
Debbie
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RE: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

[M. Taylor]

Hello Richard and Everyone,

I was going to start a new thread but decided to ask my questions here:

After hearing so many wonderful comments regarding Be My Eyes, along with the 
description you just posted about how the app can describe something without 
human intervention, I decided to download it and give it a try.

Did I miss something?  When I launch the app, I only see, no pun intended, 2 
options (1), I need visual assistance, call company or volunteer and (2), I’d 
like to volunteer, share your sight.

I was hoping to use the app’s AI image description, only, at this point.

How does one activate that feature?

The app store indicates that there are in-app purchases but, even after 
exploring the website, I cannot determine what the various fees are for and how 
they work. For example, in the app store there seems to be a purchase for 
$19.95.  What does this particular fee cover?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 12:48 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

I just updated Envision AI and it mentioned something about improved 
descriptions. 
I took a picture and it said, "I'm not sure but it could be a room with a tv on 
a table." 
I did the same scene with Be My Eyes AI and got the following. 

The picture shows a living room with a cozy and homely atmosphere. On the left, 
there is a wooden rocking chair with a black jacket draped over it. In the 
center, a flat-screen TV is placed on a wooden stand, and beneath the stand, 
there appears to be a cable box or DVD player. To the right of the TV, there's 
a lamp with a classic design on a small table. Behind the TV, a window with 
white curtains allows natural light to enter the room. On the right side of the 
image, a decorated Christmas tree is partially visible, suggesting the photo 
was taken during the holiday season. The walls are painted in a light color, 
and there is a large, framed artwork of a Christmas tree above the rocking 
chair. The floor is wooden, and in the foreground, a corner of a quilt with a 
patchwork design can be seen, indicating the viewer might be sitting on a couch 
or bed covered with this quilt.

Image description provided with Be My Eyes.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


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RE: Question: What is the quickest way to Switch between Lock Screens, via VoiceOver, in iOS 17?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I have so very little time, today, that I will keep this reply extremely brief.

1.
For many years, Android phone users have had the ability to quickly switch 
between multiple lock screens.  Last year (or the year before), Apple 
introduced the ability to create and switch between multiple lock screens, at 
will, on iPhone and, recently I believe, on iPad.

2.
There are several reasons why one might want to switch between multiple lock 
screens just as one can do on Apple Watch, primarily to use a different set of 
widgets.)

3.
I have 4 lock screens on my beloved iPhone 14.  And, depending upon my current 
activity or mood, I switch between them, from time-to-time.  In no way am I 
referring to the Focus feature.

So, on my primary lock screen, I have the reminders widget, the weather widget 
and the calendar next event widget.

On another lock screen I have the alarm widget, the home climate temperature 
widget (this tells me the temp in my house) and the groceries list widget.  
Each of my lock screens has its own theme / photo / background.

4.
So far, I have discovered 2 fairly quick and simple methods of switching 
between multiple lock screens, on the fly, via VoiceOver.

5.
Given that, apparently, many of you did not know it was possible to switch 
between multiple lock screens, I will list the steps to only one method.

Assuming you have created several lock screens, to switch between them, do the 
following:

A.
While on the lock screen, single-finger double-tap and hold on the clock 
widget.  The clock widget will always be in the same location on any lock 
screen.  After hearing the resulting tri-tone feedback, lift your finger.

B.
Triple-finger swipe from right to left to land on another of your created lock 
screens.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question: What is the quickest way to Switch between Lock Screens, 
via VoiceOver, in iOS 17?

Hi Mark,

I, like others, am not totally understanding what you mean. The lock screen is 
only 1 and I don’t think you can get out of it and into a new one. You can set 
a Focus one but that is for only when you are in a certain Focus. I hope this 
makes sense.

Jenn
Jennie Facer 


On Dec 18, 2023, at 12:22 PM, M. Taylor <mailto:markthew...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

What is the quickest / simplest way to switch between lock screens, via
VoiceOver, in iOS 17?  Now I'm not talking about editing a lock screen, just
switching between them for use.

Just want to make certain I am not missing something.

All replies most appreciated.

Mark


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Question: What is the quickest way to Switch between Lock Screens, via VoiceOver, in iOS 17?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

What is the quickest / simplest way to switch between lock screens, via
VoiceOver, in iOS 17?  Now I'm not talking about editing a lock screen, just
switching between them for use.

Just want to make certain I am not missing something.

All replies most appreciated.

Mark


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RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[M. Taylor]

Very well stated, Richard, and thank you for posting such a gracious comment.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

Every app and operating system on the planet has bugs.
I am amazed at the number of app updates that say nothing more than "fixed some 
bugs."  This is simply a fact of life with so many different devices and 
operating systems.  
When someone has a positive experience, let them have their positive experience 
without immediately throwing cold water on it.
At this point, I have very few issues with iOS 17.2.  

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

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Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a Certain Percentage

[M. Taylor]

You’re very welcome, John.

So glad you like it and that it works for you.

I have my phone announce when the battery level drops below 80%, 60%, and 40%.  
Of course, each of these announcements requires its own shortcut.

Again, you’re very welcome.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of John 
Panarese
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to 
Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a 
Certain Percentage

   Works like a charm. Thank you very much for this.


Take Care

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On Dec 17, 2023, at 3:37 PM, VIPhone  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

If you would like to have your iPhone automatically announce when the battery 
level falls below a certain percentage, with VoiceOver enabled, do the 
following:

1.
Launch the Shortcuts app.

2.
Select the Automation tab, located near the bottom of the display.

3.
Select the Add button, located near the top right corner of the display.  A 
list of choices will appear.

4.
Select Battery Level.  A new screen will appear.

5.
Adjust the slider to the desired battery level that will automatically activate 
the shortcut.  The default level is 50%.

6.
On this same screen, select the “Falls Below” option.  Of course, you should 
select either of the other two options in this area, as well.

7.
In the third and final area of this screen, select the “Run Immediately” 
option.  Selecting this option will cause another option to be displayed said 
option being to not only announce the battery level but to also place a 
notification in the notifications area.

8.
Select the Next button located near the top right corner of the display.  A new 
screen will appear.

Now the following step is where we, as VoiceOver users, have to take one extra 
step than does our sighted counterpart because of what I assume is a small 
VoiceOver bug that, in essence, is of no real consequence, at this point.

9.
Select the “Get Started” Button.

10.
Select “Speak Text” by performing either the VO split Tap or the VO pass 
through gesture.  This will both select and open the first level of options to 
the Speak Text function.

11.
Place VO focus on the line that VO reads as “Speak Text”.

12.
Single-finger, swipe up until you hear “Edit text,” and select this option.  
The edit field for the “Speak Text” function will open and you can either use 
the keyboard or dictation, to type the text that the TTS engine will announce. 
For example, “Mark, you devilishly handsome guy, the battery level has fallen 
below 50 percent.”

13.
Select the Done button located just above the on-screen keyboard, on the right 
side of the display.

14.
Test the announcement by selection the “Run this Shortcut” button, located near 
the bottom right corner of the display.

15.
Finally, select the Done button, located near the top right corner of the 
display.

16.
Close the Shortcuts app.

That’s all there is to it.  The next time the battery level falls below the 
percentage you designated, it will be automatically announced,outloud.

Mark

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Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their
respective latest versions of the OS.

I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect
of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet
encountered a bug.

And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid
job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes,
dare I say it, even TV OS.

I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not
find a bug.

In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've
used since the feature was introduced many years ago.

I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest
OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.

However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced,
when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.

Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am
running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.

Before installing the OS I:

1.
Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest
version of iTunes.

2.
Backed up the device to iCloud.

3.
Closed every app via the App Switcher.

4.
Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.

5.
Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.

6.
Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This
insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.

7.
Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).

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Seeking Recommendations for a Good VoiceOver Accessible Bible app for iOS

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I asked, a couple of years ago but, as you know, much can change in
that amount of time so:

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good, stand-alone, Bible app for iOS
that, hopefully, can display different versions of the Holy Bible?  The app
does not have to be free.

I am thinking that I will read it, primarily, with a Braille display.

If there are no stand-alone apps, that you can recommend, then a web-based
app will do, as long as it is easily accessible via VoiceOver / a Braille
display.

All replies greatly appreciated.

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RE: Why aren’t messages deleted if I deleted on one device?

[M. Taylor]

Ah! Mary, Mary, Mary!

As difficult as it is to believe, Apple continues to exclude messages, on Apple 
Watch, from the across-device deletion ecosystem.  It drives me mad, also.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:06 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Why aren’t messages deleted if I deleted on one device?

I get text messages, and I have an Apple Watch and an iPhone. If I delete 
something on my iPhone, it will even say this will be deleted on all of your 
devices, but it isn’t. And I don’t think the watch actually says things will be 
deleted on all my devices, but why not? And this could also apply to 
notifications. If I have notifications on my screen and I delete them all from 
the lock screen, why do I have to continue to do that when I go into 
notifications? I don’t want to keep deleting and deleting and deleting the same 
darn thing on multiple devices in multiple places. What am I missing? I want 
them gone everywhere if I deleted once. Is that too much to ask or am I missing 
something?
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A Couple of Questions About the iOS 17.2 Update

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I'm going to take the plunge and update to 17.2 but I just want to
make certain I know what I'm in for:

1.
Has anyone noticed any Voice Over bugs that have been resolved in 17.2?

2.
Up to this point, I have purchased all of my movies and TV shows, from
Apple, via the iTunes app on my iPhone.  Can one no longer purchase content
via the iTunes app in iOS 17.2?  I recently saw a post that would suggest
that Apple has changed the method by which one may purchase video content.

All replies greatly appreciated.

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RE: Can't Get a Complete Answer from SIRI

[M. Taylor]

Hello Richard, thank you for letting us know that 17.2 has been released.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 9:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can't Get a Complete Answer from SIRI

Try updating to 17.2 which came out yesterday and see if that helps.

Someone posted a work around within the last week, but I’ve also found that if 
I ask the same question a second time I usually get more if not all the answer.
But update first.




Richard, USA
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 9:02 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can't Get a Complete Answer from SIRI

Hi,

I have an iPhone 13 Mini running 17.1.2 and have recently been having issues 
with SIRI.  When I ask a question, she will get part of the way through the 
answer, and then stop talking and make the sound like she is listening.  So, I 
never get the full answer.

I understand that there is a new feature for back-to-back requests, but I can’t 
seem to get even the first request answered fully.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Pam 

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RE: App to see power light?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Kim,

I am so, so sorry for your loss.  

Losing both a life partner and access to instant sighted assistance is truly a 
life-changing event.

Please know that we are all here for you and I, personally, will keep you in my 
thoughts.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 6:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: App to see power light?

Hello,

My husband recently died so I no longer have sighted help.  Sometimes my 
internet goes down or I think it has.  I’m looking for an app that will either 
tell me if the power light is on and/or what color it is.


As always,


Thanks,


Kim

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RE: Seeking recommendations for easy to use, accessible iOS flash card app

[M. Taylor]

Hello Keith,

An extremely good VoiceOver accessible store cards organization app for iOS is 
called Stocards Wallet.

It is my app of choice, second only to Apple Walet which, fortunately, is able 
to store more and more store cards, natively.  

For example, Both the Best Buy and Kroger's Market membership cards can be 
stored in both Stocards Walet and the Apple Walet app.  However, I always use 
the Apple Walet because I can activate the membership bar code using the same 
method as Apple Pay, without having to open any third-party app.

Mark

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Kramlinger
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeking recommendations for easy to use, accessible iOS flash card app

Hi,
I am seeking recommendations for an easy to use, accessible iOS flash card app 
that has sorting capabilities. I would like sorting options such as date added, 
Alpha numeric, and random or shuffled.
Can anyone provide some useful considerations?
Thanks in advance. Keith

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A Question for Focus 40 Blue 5th Generation Braille Display Users

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

I tried searching the archives but cannot seem to locate any recent threads
on the following question:

A couple of days ago I purchased a new Focus 40 Blue 5th Gen braille Display
from Freedom Scientific.  What a marvelous device.  It works like a champ on
both the latest version of Windows (with the latest release of Fusion) as
well as my beloved Windows 7 PC which is running Jaws v15 (The Win7 PC is
not connected to the Internet).

I seem to recall that some iOS and/or Mac OS users reported that there was
some kind of unexpected glitch with the 5th gen braille displays when
connecting to iOS and / or Mac OS but I cannot remember what the glitch was
and in which OS it occurred and if the glitch had been resolved in a
subsequent version of the OS.

I am going to setup the display with my beloved 14 running the latest
version of iOS 16 but wanted to check here, first, to see if there are any
issues of which I should be aware, be fore I start the process.

All replies greatly appreciated.

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RE: Home Thermostat

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Hello Reg,

I am going to paste in part of a thread from last year.  Hopefully, you will 
find it useful.

Good luck,

Mark

Pasted Text from Last Year:

Hello James,

Thank you so much for the link.  Yes, having tactile buttons is so very 
important to me.  I shutter at the thought of having to completely depend upon 
an external device in order to adjust basic functions of the thermostat.

I will definitely give this a look.

Thank you again.

Mark

Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Alexa Compatible Thermostat, Anyone?

I’ve had a Sensi model st55 for 2 years now.Be sure you get this cheaper 
$80.00, model available from Amazon.  It has buttons that control selecting 
heat or air conditioning and changing the temperature and more.  It also works 
with Alexa and there is an app for I Phone and I think, Android.
Note, the more expensive model is flat screen only.  No buttons.  The buttons 
are important for a blind person to use the thermostat in case your internet 
goes down.

The $80.00, thermostat with buttons is model ST55.  Here is an Amazon link.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NB1OB0I/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8=16b53869f5473df1c2e96eaa091b5ae3_cr_id=1865675060401_rd_plhdr=t_rd_r=a4851b0d-8d87-4199-8c2b-32c4437daff2_rd_w=8kn92_rd_wg=ViTHK_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_bkgd



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
regs2...@rogers.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2023 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Home Thermostat

Ok folks, wondering what experiences everyone has had with their home 
thermostats?
I've have had the Ecobee  for the past two years and it continually loses our 
Wifi network.  The solution to get it going again requires somebody with sight, 
which I don't have.
I'm resigned to replacing it and would like to hear your experiences with other 
brands where you have been able to operate confidently with voice assist?

Best Regards

Reg Sullivan 


 
  

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UPDATE: After Only One Day, Mark Cancels Disney Plus Subscription

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Okay, my faith in the universe has been restored!

After some much needed sleep and a very pleasant and productive day, I decided 
to attempt to resolve the Hulu issue, yet again.

Bottom line:  I resolved the problem and have restored my Hulu / Disney Duo 
Premium subscription at a rate of $19.95 per month.

The solution?  Apparently, the Disney Plus servers and the Hulu account servers 
are not exactly in sync.  In short, this means that although the Disney Plus 
servers registered my new account, said account was only partially populated on 
the Hulu account servers which, as it turns out, are still being updated with 
that of Disney Plus.  As a result of this account population glitch, the Hulu 
servers, at least those accessed by the Apple TV app, were, effectively, 
returning two diametrically opposed results to my login attempts; (1) the 
account is valid and (2) the account is not valid.  As expected, this caused 
the app to freeze.

Solution?  

(1):  from the Disney Plus website, force all device log-ins to be rejected.

(2):  Not just delete the Hulu apps from Apple TV but clear the app cache, 
first, before deleting the apps from Apple TV.

(3):  From the Disney Plus website, change account email address, preferably to 
an email with a different domain than that of the original email address.

I hope you found this helpful and if not, then at least entertaining (smile).

Mark

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From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 10:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: After Only One Day, Mark Cancels Disney Plus Subscription

Hello Everyone,

I am posting this to the list because I want you to know that, if you encounter 
the same problem, you are not alone.

1.
I purchased a Disney Plus and Hulu Premium monthly subscription via the Disney 
Plus website.  I did this because this particular new pricing bundle is not 
available on the Hulu website.

2.
Signed into Disney Plus and Hulu websites, along with iOS app and iPad app 
without any problems.

3.
Signed into Disney Plus app on Apple TV on both TV OS 16 and TV OS 17 without 
any problems.

4.
Could not sign into Hulu app on Apple TV.  Trust me when I tell you that this 
is not a VoiceOver problem.  
When attempting to sign into Hulu app via a Disney Plus Hulu bundle 
subscription, billed by Disney, with a new account that is not being upgraded 
from a basic Hulu subscription, the Hulu app simply freezes.  
I spent more time on trying to resolve this issue than I ever care to admit.

5.
When a solution to this problem was not offered up by Hulu / Disney, I got so 
disgusted that I cancelled my subscription, today, and deleted my third-party 
Disney Plus account.

This is the first time in my Apple life that I have been so disgusted with an 
app experience that I cancelled and deleted within 24 hours of purchasing a 
subscription.

6.
There are several things I can do to get the Hulu app working on Apple TV but, 
to my mind, today, at least, I just can't be bothered as, for a premium 
experience, I would have to pay more money for a bundle feature that I will 
never use and pay for it, via the Hulu billing system.

No Doubt that Disney will be releasing a new Hulu / Disney app combo that will 
resolve this but, as for me, my first experience with Hulu via Apple TV was so 
very disappointing that I have lost the desire to even use Hulu.

Now I can subscribe to Hulu via iTunes but, again, not today.

Mark


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After Only One Day, Mark Cancels Disney Plus Subscription

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I am posting this to the list because I want you to know that, if you
encounter the same problem, you are not alone.

1.
I purchased a Disney Plus and Hulu Premium monthly subscription via the
Disney Plus website.  I did this because this particular new pricing bundle
is not available on the Hulu website.

2.
Signed into Disney Plus and Hulu websites, along with iOS app and iPad app
without any problems.

3.
Signed into Disney Plus app on Apple TV on both TV OS 16 and TV OS 17
without any problems.

4.
Could not sign into Hulu app on Apple TV.  Trust me when I tell you that
this is not a VoiceOver problem.  
When attempting to sign into Hulu app via a Disney Plus Hulu bundle
subscription, billed by Disney, with a new account that is not being
upgraded from a basic Hulu subscription, the Hulu app simply freezes.  
I spent more time on trying to resolve this issue than I ever care to admit.

5.
When a solution to this problem was not offered up by Hulu / Disney, I got
so disgusted that I cancelled my subscription, today, and deleted my
third-party Disney Plus account.

This is the first time in my Apple life that I have been so disgusted with
an app experience that I cancelled and deleted within 24 hours of purchasing
a subscription.

6.
There are several things I can do to get the Hulu app working on Apple TV
but, to my mind, today, at least, I just can't be bothered as, for a premium
experience, I would have to pay more money for a bundle feature that I will
never use and pay for it, via the Hulu billing system.

No Doubt that Disney will be releasing a new Hulu / Disney app combo that
will resolve this but, as for me, my first experience with Hulu via Apple TV
was so very disappointing that I have lost the desire to even use Hulu.

Now I can subscribe to Hulu via iTunes but, again, not today.

Mark


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Mark is Going All in on the On-Demand Steaming App Services, for one Year

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Thank to the extreme patience of list member, Ed, in addition to subscribing
to Paramount Plus, I have decided to also subscribe to Peacock Plus, Hulu
with Disney Plus, and Max Plus, each for one year.  

Between these subscriptions, along with my Youtube TV and Prime Video
subscriptions, I should finally be able to gain consistent access to a great
number of ventage television series produced in the distant pass.

Ed has assured me, that of today, anyway, these apps are Voice Over
accessible on iOS, iPad OS, and on my beloved Apple TV.

After doing some serious number crunching, I have determined that the
combined annual premiums for all of these on-demand services, remains
considerately less than the annual cost of one traditional cable service
provider.  It's really quite amazing.

Mark


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RE: A Question about the Volume of Audio Described Playback

[M. Taylor]

Hello Christina,

Thank you for posting.  Well, let's hope that Apple will add such a control in 
the near future.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christina
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2023 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question about the Volume of Audio Described Playback

I know you are asking about the Apple TV but I just wanted to add that several 
years ago I remember a setting like that on the Fire TV. I can’t remember if it 
was on the Fire TV Stick or on Fire TV OS.  I just remember setting it and I’ve 
not messed with it since.

Christina

> On Nov 3, 2023, at 9:22 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> With audio description enabled on my Apple TV, I sometimes find that 
> the volume level of the narration is disproportionately loud to that 
> of the volume of the content being described.
> 
> Question, is there anyway to adjust the volume level of audio narration?
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
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RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Okay, as it turns out, only the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, has all of 
the audio, when AD is enabled, incorrectly shunted to the left speaker.

Subsequent episodes and other AD enabled content plays all of the audio, 
including the AD track, in stereo., as expected.

For those who may be interested, I have the Paramount Plus iPAD / iOS and Apple 
TV app working perfectly.

I created my account, via Safari web browser and selected the annual 
subscription which includes Paramount Plus essentials and ShowTime without ads 
for $119.

I do have the 7-day trial period so, I can cancel at anytime during the next 7 
days but will not do so as there is a lot of content that I look forward to 
enjoying during the next 12 months.

Mark

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From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 7:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Hello Jody, et al,

Okay, I just started playing the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, in the 
Paramount app on my iPad and when AD is enabled, all of the audio plays through 
the left earpod, only.  

Is there a fix for this?

Why must these things be so difficult?

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody 
ianuzzi
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 3:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

I Lyssin to Picard on the Paramount Plus app on my iPhone. The audio 
description is available. Do you have to turn it on in every episode in the 
upper right hand corner of the screen.

The third season is the best! And if you have Paramount+ you can also watch 
strange new worlds which is even better!

JODY


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On Nov 5, 2023, at 4:55 PM, M. Taylor <mailto:markthew...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,

Okay, I just want to make certain that the Paramount Plus app for iOS / iPad / 
Apple TV is still accessible with the audio description feature, as of today, 
in iOS 17 and its associated operating systems.

I purchased the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, on Prime Video, today, and 
was surprised at how compelling the first episode was.  I did not think it 
would be as good as the big 4, if you know what I mean; but I was pleasantly 
surprised.

Despite the fact that Prime listed the series as having an AD track, the first 
EP, does not; at least it does not have one in Prime.

And you can forget about an AD track in iTunes.  So disappointed.  

I know that a while ago, a list member informed us that Apple does not offer 
the AD track for Picard but I was hoping that this would change, alas, it has 
not.

Even though I enjoyed watching the first EP of Picard, without AD, I know I 
will enjoy the series, more completely, with AD.

So, as kind of an early Christmas gift to myself, I have decided to subscribe 
to Paramount Plus, at least until I have seen all of Picard.  

Of course I can and will sign up for the 7-day free trial but I don't want to 
provide info to yet another company unless I am reasonably certain that it will 
provide the expected service.

It's really quite sad that, even in late 2023, audio description is so scarcely 
available.

If you will allow me to wax philosophically for a moment:  
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jody, et al,

Okay, I just started playing the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, in the 
Paramount app on my iPad and when AD is enabled, all of the audio plays through 
the left earpod, only.  

Is there a fix for this?

Why must these things be so difficult?

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody 
ianuzzi
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 3:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

I Lyssin to Picard on the Paramount Plus app on my iPhone. The audio 
description is available. Do you have to turn it on in every episode in the 
upper right hand corner of the screen.

The third season is the best! And if you have Paramount+ you can also watch 
strange new worlds which is even better!

JODY


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On Nov 5, 2023, at 4:55 PM, M. Taylor <mailto:markthew...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,

Okay, I just want to make certain that the Paramount Plus app for iOS / iPad
/ Apple TV is still accessible with the audio description feature, as of
today, in iOS 17 and its associated operating systems.

I purchased the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, on Prime Video, today,
and was surprised at how compelling the first episode was.  I did not think
it would be as good as the big 4, if you know what I mean; but I was
pleasantly surprised.

Despite the fact that Prime listed the series as having an AD track, the
first EP, does not; at least it does not have one in Prime.

And you can forget about an AD track in iTunes.  So disappointed.  

I know that a while ago, a list member informed us that Apple does not offer
the AD track for Picard but I was hoping that this would change, alas, it
has not.

Even though I enjoyed watching the first EP of Picard, without AD, I know I
will enjoy the series, more completely, with AD.

So, as kind of an early Christmas gift to myself, I have decided to
subscribe to Paramount Plus, at least until I have seen all of Picard.  

Of course I can and will sign up for the 7-day free trial but I don't want
to provide info to yet another company unless I am reasonably certain that
it will provide the expected service.

It's really quite sad that, even in late 2023, audio description is so
scarcely available.

If you will allow me to wax philosophically for a moment:  
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that
is, can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or
low vision, on the fly.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

[M. Taylor]

Hi Cristóbal,

The short answer is that subscribing to Paramount Plus, independently of Apple 
and subscribing to Paramount Plus through Apple is not the same.  

Based on all the articles I've read, I have decided to subscribe directly to 
Paramount; I will still be able to view the content on all of my Apple devices 
via the Paramount Plus app.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Haven't use it in a long time, but can't you also just access Paramount Plus 
and other streaming services via the Apple TV app on your device? 

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Mark, you write:
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

If that happens it would of course be absolutely amazing, but not to be 
impressed by it now probably means you have not use the Be My AI feature in the 
Be My Eyes app. I am also somebody who is not all that easily impressed any 
more, but every time I request a description of a photo on my iPhone or one I 
just took, I am impressed all over again and I can't wait until it's possible 
to submit short videos using Be My AI which hopefully will be possible at some 
point.

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 1:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Hello All,

Okay, I just want to make certain that the Paramount Plus app for iOS / iPad / 
Apple TV is still accessible with the audio description feature, as of today, 
in iOS 17 and its associated operating systems.

I purchased the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, on Prime Video, today, and 
was surprised at how compelling the first episode was.  I did not think it 
would be as good as the big 4, if you know what I mean; but I was pleasantly 
surprised.

Despite the fact that Prime listed the series as having an AD track, the first 
EP, does not; at least it does not have one in Prime.

And you can forget about an AD track in iTunes.  So disappointed.  

I know that a while ago, a list member informed us that Apple does not offer 
the AD track for Picard but I was hoping that this would change, alas, it has 
not.

Even though I enjoyed watching the first EP of Picard, without AD, I know I 
will enjoy the series, more completely, with AD.

So, as kind of an early Christmas gift to myself, I have decided to subscribe 
to Paramount Plus, at least until I have seen all of Picard.  

Of course I can and will sign up for the 7-day free trial but I don't want to 
provide info to yet another company unless I am reasonably certain that it will 
provide the expected service.

It's really quite sad that, even in late 2023, audio description is so scarcely 
available.

If you will allow me to wax philosophically for a moment:  
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

[M. Taylor]

Hello, my friend.

Yes, I use the image and camera description features on both my Apple and 
Samsung devices.  

I had forgotten about such features when I posted.

Still, I am dismayed that AD is not yet a standard option for all series being 
produced, these days.  

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Mark, you write:
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

If that happens it would of course be absolutely amazing, but not to be 
impressed by it now probably means you have not use the Be My AI feature in the 
Be My Eyes app. I am also somebody who is not all that easily impressed any 
more, but every time I request a description of a photo on my iPhone or one I 
just took, I am impressed all over again and I can't wait until it's possible 
to submit short videos using Be My AI which hopefully will be possible at some 
point.

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 1:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

Hello All,

Okay, I just want to make certain that the Paramount Plus app for iOS / iPad / 
Apple TV is still accessible with the audio description feature, as of today, 
in iOS 17 and its associated operating systems.

I purchased the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, on Prime Video, today, and 
was surprised at how compelling the first episode was.  I did not think it 
would be as good as the big 4, if you know what I mean; but I was pleasantly 
surprised.

Despite the fact that Prime listed the series as having an AD track, the first 
EP, does not; at least it does not have one in Prime.

And you can forget about an AD track in iTunes.  So disappointed.  

I know that a while ago, a list member informed us that Apple does not offer 
the AD track for Picard but I was hoping that this would change, alas, it has 
not.

Even though I enjoyed watching the first EP of Picard, without AD, I know I 
will enjoy the series, more completely, with AD.

So, as kind of an early Christmas gift to myself, I have decided to subscribe 
to Paramount Plus, at least until I have seen all of Picard.  

Of course I can and will sign up for the 7-day free trial but I don't want to 
provide info to yet another company unless I am reasonably certain that it will 
provide the expected service.

It's really quite sad that, even in late 2023, audio description is so scarcely 
available.

If you will allow me to wax philosophically for a moment:  
I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that is, 
can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind or low 
vision, on the fly.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

[M. Taylor]

Hello Richard,

Oh yeah!  Thank you for reminding me of Audio Vault.  I had forgotten about 
that marvelous resource.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

I listened to Picard by getting the mp3 files from audiovault.net since having 
the video would not matter to me. 
Richard, USA
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(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Nov 5, 2023, at 1:55 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I just want to make certain that the Paramount Plus app for iOS 
> / iPad / Apple TV is still accessible with the audio description 
> feature, as of today, in iOS 17 and its associated operating systems.
> 
> I purchased the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, on Prime Video, 
> today, and was surprised at how compelling the first episode was.  I 
> did not think it would be as good as the big 4, if you know what I 
> mean; but I was pleasantly surprised.
> 
> Despite the fact that Prime listed the series as having an AD track, 
> the first EP, does not; at least it does not have one in Prime.
> 
> And you can forget about an AD track in iTunes.  So disappointed.  
> 
> I know that a while ago, a list member informed us that Apple does not 
> offer the AD track for Picard but I was hoping that this would change, 
> alas, it has not.
> 
> Even though I enjoyed watching the first EP of Picard, without AD, I 
> know I will enjoy the series, more completely, with AD.
> 
> So, as kind of an early Christmas gift to myself, I have decided to 
> subscribe to Paramount Plus, at least until I have seen all of Picard.
> 
> Of course I can and will sign up for the 7-day free trial but I don't 
> want to provide info to yet another company unless I am reasonably 
> certain that it will provide the expected service.
> 
> It's really quite sad that, even in late 2023, audio description is so 
> scarcely available.
> 
> If you will allow me to wax philosophically for a moment:  
> I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI 
> that is, can be used to provide audio description to those of us who 
> are blind or low vision, on the fly.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: magsafe

[M. Taylor]

Hi,

Yes, I have successfully used my Apple Magsafe charging pad to charge my 
beloved iPhone 8 Plus and not so beloved iPhone 11.  It also charges my Airpods 
Pro and Airpods third gen.

However, I will say that the 8 Plus needs to be perfectly aligned on the 
Magsafe pad in order to charge correctly.  This is actually more difficult than 
I would have expected.  Move the phone off center of the pad and, while the pad 
will remain a bit warm, the battery will not charge on the 8 Plus.  I would 
never recommend using the Magsafe charger with a non-Magsafe device, unless 
absolutely necessary.

I have an old third-party charging pad, purchased at the same time as my 
beloved 8 Plus, from the Apple store, that works much, much better than the new 
Apple Magsafe charging pad, with the 8 Plus and other non-Magsafe devices..

It's been a while now but I think I got my beloved Samsung Galaxy to charge 
from the Apple Magsafe charging pad, also.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 12:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: magsafe

Perfect!
Thanks Sieghard.




Richard, USA.
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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 12:26 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: magsafe

Hi Richard,

You have to differenciate between what “Apple” says and what a random “Apple 
employee” says whether that is an employee at a store or from Apple 
Accessibility or Apple Technical Support. Yes, in a perfect world they would 
all be perfectly trained and know everything, but they don’t, they are people 
and have opinions and misconceptions.

Here is what it says about the basic MagSafe charging pad on the Apple Store 
website, I’ll provide the link below:
The MagSafe Charger makes wireless charging a snap. The perfectly aligned 
magnets attach to your iPhone 12 or later to provide faster wireless charging 
up to 15W.
The MagSafe Charger maintains compatibility with Qi charging, so it can be used 
to wirelessly charge your iPhone 8 or later, as well as AirPods models with a 
wireless charging case, as you would with any Qi-certified charger.
The magnetic alignment experience only applies to iPhone 12, iPhone 13, iPhone 
14, and iPhone 15.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHXH3AM/A/magsafe-charger

As you can see, a MagSafe charger is no different from any Qi-certified charger 
except that it is slightly magnetic. The actual strength of the charger is not 
even that much which you can check by sticking any steel object to it, I just 
happened to have a 4-inch #2 Roberts screw driver bit sitting here and while it 
sticks to the Belkin MagSafe charging stand I have, it is not a strong 
attachment. But along with the magnets in the iPhone (on compatible models), 
the attachment is relatively secure. I love how MagSafe chargers work and would 
never go back to anything else and I only use a cable if I don’t have any other 
choice.
If somebody who has an iPhone SE wants to use MagSafe then it is certainly 
completely safe and OK to buy a MagSafe compatible case and use it that way.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 11:54 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: magsafe

I was told by Apple that one should not use a MacSafe charger with an SE. I 
have not looked further into it. 


Richard, USA 
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(Sent from my iPhone)

On Nov 4, 2023, at 10:11 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
Actually a Magsafe wireless charger will charge an iPhone SE just fine, but it 
won’t stick to it since it does not have the magnets in the phone. However, you 
can get cases which include a magnetic disk and with something like this any 
phone will become MagSafe compatible.
 
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-use-magsafe-unsupported-iphones/#:~:text=Notably%2C%20though%2C%20MagSafe%20is%20only,the%20back%20of%20the%20phone.
 
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of CJ & AA MAY
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 8:12 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: magsafe
 
Many thanks. You have saved me from an expensive mistake!
Alison
 
 
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 1:26 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: magsafe
 
MACSafe refers to the type of charger. the SE cannot use a MacSafe wireless 
charger. 
 
 
Richard, USA 
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(Sent 

A Question about the Volume of Audio Described Playback

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

With audio description enabled on my Apple TV, I sometimes find that the
volume level of the narration is disproportionately loud to that of the
volume of the content being described.

Question, is there anyway to adjust the volume level of audio narration?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding Apple Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle Games

[M. Taylor]

Thank you for this information, William.

I will file it away for when I, hopefully, someday soon, update to iOS 17.x.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
James
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 9:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding Apple 
Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle Games

Hi Mark,

I can answer your second question.

VoiceOver works really well with the crossword puzzles.  At least in 17.1, they 
worked really good.  I have filed a bug report with iOS 17.2 already so 
hopefully it will get fixed.

I recommend choosing list view.  This way you can get at the clues easier than 
you can in grid view.  VoiceOver will let you go from one space to another by 
swiping to the right.  For example, if you have a clue that has four letters, 
you will actually see five spaces instead of four.  The first one lets you 
solve the word by typing it in.  If you need to correct a letter, You can swipe 
to that letter you want to correct and double tap on it and replace it with the 
letter you meant to type in.

You have crossword mini and a full crossword.  The New York Times is cheaper 
than Apple News Plus, but last I checked, it was not accessible.

Hope this helps.
Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Oct 29, 2023, at 7:33 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> So, to those of you who have updated to 17.1:
> 
> 1.
> Does VoiceOver now automatically read the lyrics to a song as the song 
> is played?
> 
> 2.
> Has anyone played the new News Plus crossword puzzle and, if so, were 
> you able to make any sense of how the puzzle is solved?
> 
> This is the first time, in many years, that I want to update to the 
> latest iOS but am holding off do so because of the continuing issues 
> that have been reported.  At some point, I will just have to take the 
> plunge but for now ...
> 
> Perhaps 17.2 will fix some VO bugs.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried to make it accessible

[M. Taylor]

This is a wonderful article, Richard.

Thank you ever so much for posting it to the list.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – 
and tried to make it accessible

Greetings,
The word “Accessible” in the title of this article refers to general 
accessibility to the world, not about disability.

I found this article very informative for any classical music fan.  I stripped 
out the ads and have the link to the original story at the end.

How Apple gave people access to a library full of classical music – and tried 
to make it accessible
There are 1,243 versions of Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons alone. 
Helping people through that was key to building the new Apple Music Classical 
app, senior staff at the venture tell David Phelan
Sunday 29 October 2023 10:30

Earlier this year, Apple launched Apple Music Classical as a standalone music 
app that comes included in the price of Apple Music. It was an unusual move for 
a streaming platform perhaps more associated with Drake and Taylor Swift. And 
building it was a major undertaking, given the vast complexity of classical 
music libraries and the difficulties in navigating them.

Apple Music Classical continues to grow. In its latest move, Apple announced a 
new partnership between Apple and the London Philharmonic Orchestra with the 
release of a live recording of Berlioz’s The Damnation of Faust coming on 3 
November. This is just one of the partners Apple Music Classical has.

>From day one, the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra was a partner. The content 
>from that orchestra is extensive, with recordings dating back to 1929. Some of 
>it is unique to Apple and this exclusive content alone has already been 
>streamed millions of times.

Recently, senior staffers at the app talked exclusively to The Independent.

Apple Music Classical came about because Apple realised that classical artists 
and fans were really not being served well by streaming. As part of its mission 
to use its engineering knowhow to fix this, it bought Primephonic, widely 
recognised as the classical streaming platform that succeeded where others had 
failed. It took more than a year of work before Apple was happy with what it 
had created and its release to a highly positive response.

Now, classical music lovers don’t have to clamber past Justin Bieber and Taylor 
Swift to get to Bach and Rachmaninoff.

Classical music provides challenges other kinds of music don’t, or at least not 
to the same extent. Instead of playing an album, artist or track, classical 
lovers have favourite composers, orchestras, soloists and so on. The search 
parameters are mind-boggling. Apple is well-equipped, with more classical music 
than anywhere else on the planet, and Primephonic’s brilliant data metrics were 
a starting point from which Apple’s engineers and expertise transformed the 
experience. Want to listen to Vivaldi’s Spring from the Four Seasons? Apple has 
1,243 versions for you to choose from. If that sounds overwhelming, Apple has a 
solution: careful navigation with sophisticated search.

Just as Apple Fitness+ has a mantra that everybody is welcome, no matter their 
fitness level or knowledge, Apple Music Classical is designed for seasoned 
devotees and newcomers alike. “If you didn’t know much about the world of 
classical, Apple Music Classical offers a structure so you can get into it. 
It’s centuries of music, right, so where do you start? It gives you an 
opportunity to get some perspective on it, explains Mariana Pimenta, who works 
in operations at Apple Music Classical, saying: “We don’t expect everybody who 
downloads it to be a professional musician, and we want everyone to experience 
classical music. Our goal is to bring as many people as possible to this 
service.”

Marina Boiko is an editor. She goes on, “The story of classical is a great 
place to start and we’ve made sure there’s enough beginner-friendly content, 
such as playlists of periods or genres.”

Not all traditional classical listeners will be especially tech-savvy, but that 
may not be a problem, as Guy Jones, global head of classical editorial, 
explains. “Lots of classical fans are new not just to technology but to 
streaming. The whole point of this product is to bring classical to streaming. 
It’s the musical genre that wasn’t really being streamed because the experience 
was previously so bad. The technical side of things may be less of a problem, 
especially as Apple’s guidelines around human interface design are baked into 
our product, but the challenge is more in explaining that streaming opens up 
opportunity and accessibility.

“When I was first getting into classical music, I had to buy CDs. I had to 
choose carefully what CD I wanted to buy each month. The ability now to just 
pick a random composer and ask, ‘Do I like this 

RE: problems with audio messages

[M. Taylor]

Hi,

On which iPhone model did you install 17.1?

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Afik 
Souffir
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: problems with audio messages


Hi 

Since the latest update of ios 17, I have problems to play an audio messages in 
imessage. 
I can see the transcript, but when I'm trying to double tap, its not playing.

Any ideas?




Afik Souffir
Expertise Team Representative \ service department \ Strauss water Israel \ 
Strauss-group

Johnathan Netanyahu 3A Or Yehuda
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A Question for those who have updated to iOS 17.1: Regarding Apple Music Song Lyrics and the new News Plus Crossword Puzzle Games

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

So, to those of you who have updated to 17.1:

1.
Does VoiceOver now automatically read the lyrics to a song as the song is
played?

2.
Has anyone played the new News Plus crossword puzzle and, if so, were you
able to make any sense of how the puzzle is solved?

This is the first time, in many years, that I want to update to the latest
iOS but am holding off do so because of the continuing issues that have been
reported.  At some point, I will just have to take the plunge but for now
...

Perhaps 17.2 will fix some VO bugs.

All replies greatly appreciated.

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RE: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[M. Taylor]

Hello Steve,

I was going to update to 17.1 until I read your post and then, like a 
frightened turtle, decided to hide inside the protective shell of 16.7 for just 
a little longer (smile).

Are you now able to get Siri to correctly launch apps in 17.1?

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
Matzura
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 17.1 just made iOS worse

I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard about 
and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face when after 
upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and was answered with 
"which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I answered "mail," and was 
immediately told something went wrong, please try again later. Well, later 
hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to open mail, I get the same thing.

Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and hold the 
side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you would get if 
VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to reverse this one.

But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.

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RE: iPhone Photos

[M. Taylor]

This is great info, Richard.  Thank you.

Question:  Can one delete a VoiceOver label the same way as you described, 
below?

I've always wanted to try this but feared that once I added a VO label, I 
wouldn't be able to delete it.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 5:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone Photos

You can create a VoiceOver label for any photo in your library. The label will 
not stay with the photo if you send it to someone else, it is just on your 
phone. 
Having said that, the steps are the same if you want to rename an app on your 
screen. 
To label anything, photo, icon, whatever,  with VO,  make sure the one you want 
is in focus by touching it once with one finger. Then do a two finger double 
tap and hold until you hear some tones and an edit box opens. You can either 
write what you want, or paste something you have copied into that edit box and 
then flick/swipe to the save button and do a one finger double tap. 
As someone else said, if you want to copy the entire Be My AI description into 
the photo, when you have heard the description, touch the screen with one 
finger and swipe up or down to copy and double tap. Then close the description, 
and do the steps above for labeling the photo and paste the description into 
the edit box. 
If you don't know how to paste something you copied. Ask.


Richard, USA
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"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley 
(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Oct 26, 2023, at 9:17 PM, Tom Cramer  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have been using the new Be My AI service and it has been great at 
> describing all of the photos in my photos app.
> Is there a way to either label or rename these photos now that I know 
> what they are so that I can find them easier? I would think there 
> would have to be an easy way of labeling them but ca't see how.
> Thanks.
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[M. Taylor]

Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.  

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple. 
Sent from my iPhone

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RE: not being notified of all text messages

[M. Taylor]

Thank you for the info, Dennis.  

Please let us know when it has, in fact, been resolved;  I'm counting on you; 
(big smile).

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 2:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

It is annoying hoping it is fixed in 17.2 betas.  We'll see.  Nope not totally 
fixed in 17.1

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

It's a known bug that has yet to be fix by Appple. Some of us deal with it, but 
others are unaffected. It's supremely annoying. I usually have to restart my 
phone once a day. The restart helps, but only for a while. Sometimes, the rest 
of the day, sometimes, just hours.  

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: not being notified of all text messages

When I noticed the messages that I missed in the MMessages app, VoiceOver did 
not say muted for any of them. W Ryan Mann Certified Assistive Technology 
Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


> On Oct 22, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Make sure you haven't accidently muted certain conversations. It is pretty 
> obvious, though, if you did Voiceover would say the person's name followed by 
> "muted".
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ryan Mann
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 7:56 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: not being notified of all text messages
> 
> I am running iOS 17.03 on an iPhone XR.  For some text messages, I hear my 
> text tone and the message.  For other messages, I don’t even hear the tone 
> and the only way I know about them is if I go into the messages app.  There 
> does not seem to be any pattern of which messages I get notified about and 
> which ones I don’t.  I do not have any focus on and Do Not Disturb is not on 
> either.  Why would this be happening?
> 
> Ryan Mann
> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist 
> rmann0...@gmail.com
> 386-383-5175
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RE: not being notified of all text messages

[M. Taylor]

Hello Christopher,

The issue is with the beta.

So, in the latest version of iOS 17, are you saying that you can toggle between 
the playback speed and the playback tone, with no problem in the latest 
commercial release of the BARD app?

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

Is the serious bug you mention in the BARD Mobile App in the released  ersion 
of the app or the beta? I've seen it reported on the beta list. I left the beta 
a while ago because of the issue where you can't pause the reading with the 
Shokz headphones, and I haven't seen this issue with the released version of 
the app myself.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

Hello,

Okay, I was going to update to iOS 17.1 when released but after hearing about 
the text notification bug, I am sticking with iOS 16.7 until someone on this 
list can confirm that this particular bug has been squashed.

Not only if the notification bug at issue but there is a serious bug with the 
BARD app in iOS 17 concerning playback speed and tone control.  Since I use the 
BARD mobile app on a daily basis and given that I have not yet taken the plunge 
in iOS 17, I'll just hold off for now.

So, after 17.1 is released, all feedback on what, if any, issues have been 
resolved will be greatly appreciated.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

It's a known bug that has yet to be fix by Appple. Some of us deal with it, but 
others are unaffected. It's supremely annoying. I usually have to restart my 
phone once a day. The restart helps, but only for a while. Sometimes, the rest 
of the day, sometimes, just hours.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: not being notified of all text messages

When I noticed the messages that I missed in the MMessages app, VoiceOver did 
not say muted for any of them. W Ryan Mann Certified Assistive Technology 
Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


> On Oct 22, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Make sure you haven't accidently muted certain conversations. It is pretty 
> obvious, though, if you did Voiceover would say the person's name followed by 
> "muted".
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ryan Mann
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 7:56 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: not being notified of all text messages
>
> I am running iOS 17.03 on an iPhone XR.  For some text messages, I hear my 
> text tone and the message.  For other messages, I don’t even hear the tone 
> and the only way I know about them is if I go into the messages app.  There 
> does not seem to be any pattern of which messages I get notified about and 
> which ones I don’t.  I do not have any focus on and Do Not Disturb is not on 
> either.  Why would this be happening?
>
> Ryan Mann
> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist 
> rmann0...@gmail.com
> 386-383-5175
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RE: New iPhone 15 Pro Operating at Normal Temperature

[M. Taylor]

Hello Richard and congratulations on your new iPhone 15 Pro.  May it bring you 
many years of accessible joy.

Also, thanks for the info about setting up the Action button to take you to the 
home screen.  That never would have occurred to me.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 6:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: New iPhone 15 Pro Operating at Normal Temperature

All,

I just  set up my new iPhone Pro yesterday afternoon at the local Apple store.
• Apparently, as others have indicated, the overheating issue seems to have 
been resolved. The phone operates at normal temperature inside the Apple 
silicon case I purchased for the phone.
• One comment: my personal experience of the upgrade from an iPhone  8 to face 
recognition on the 15 Pro is a bit of a challenge. It’s quite different.
• By the way, later in the evening I had great telephone support from the Apple 
accessibility desk. I had a marathon session with one agent. Among other 
things, the agent arranged for one of the left-side activation buttons (the top 
button) to bring up the home screen. He did this by helping me create a 
shortcut and using the activation button to initiate the shortcut. This helps 
me maintain some semblance of long-established patterns of use. Great support 
from Apple.

Best to all,

Richard Petty
mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net




From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 11:34 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on 
iPhone 15 Series

I don't think the regular iPhone 15 and 15 Plus have Titanium frames, but of 
course I could be wrong.
Of course it's also beyond me why if  you have an iPhone 14 Pro Max you would 
buy a 15 Plus which has the exact same chip, it lacks the LiDAR sensor your 14 
Pro Max has and as far as I can tell all you get is an action button to which 
you can map one single function and you have a USB-C port instead of a 
Lightning port.
Of course if you decide you don't want it any more you can send it to me, it is 
starting to get cold up here in Northern British Columbia and this may make a 
nice hand warmer 藍

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From: M. Taylor <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 11:11 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on iPhone 
15 Series

Hello All,

Well, I have been working with a 15 Plus for over a week. I have truly been 
putting it through it proverbial paces and I can tell you that the device heats 
up far faster and far warmer than does my beloved 14 Pro Max.

It's really quite interesting as I understand that the 15 Plus is just a 14 
series inside that titanium case.  Is this true?

Regardless, with only a screen protector installed and using a cheap $10 case I 
purchased at the Apple store, using the device for any uninterrupted length of 
time when performing longer tasks such as performing system restores, lengthy 
GPS navigation, App updates (over 30 or so at a time) the phone really heats 
up.  I'm not saying it is heating to a dangerous level but I am saying that it 
is heating up so much and so fast that I have decided to not purchase a 15 Pro 
Max, this year.

Of course I am comparing the 15 Plus with my beloved 14 Pro Max with the same 
level of screen brightness.

Okay, just thought I would pass this along.

Keep in mind, this is just my experience:  Your milage may vary.

I hope you are all doing well.

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RE: not being notified of all text messages

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

Okay, I was going to update to iOS 17.1 when released but after hearing about 
the text notification bug, I am sticking with iOS 16.7 until someone on this 
list can confirm that this particular bug has been squashed.  

Not only if the notification bug at issue but there is a serious bug with the 
BARD app in iOS 17 concerning playback speed and tone control.  Since I use the 
BARD mobile app on a daily basis and given that I have not yet taken the plunge 
in iOS 17, I'll just hold off for now.

So, after 17.1 is released, all feedback on what, if any, issues have been 
resolved will be greatly appreciated.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

It's a known bug that has yet to be fix by Appple. Some of us deal with it, but 
others are unaffected. It's supremely annoying. I usually have to restart my 
phone once a day. The restart helps, but only for a while. Sometimes, the rest 
of the day, sometimes, just hours.  

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: not being notified of all text messages

When I noticed the messages that I missed in the MMessages app, VoiceOver did 
not say muted for any of them. W Ryan Mann Certified Assistive Technology 
Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


> On Oct 22, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Make sure you haven't accidently muted certain conversations. It is pretty 
> obvious, though, if you did Voiceover would say the person's name followed by 
> "muted".
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ryan Mann
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 7:56 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: not being notified of all text messages
> 
> I am running iOS 17.03 on an iPhone XR.  For some text messages, I hear my 
> text tone and the message.  For other messages, I don’t even hear the tone 
> and the only way I know about them is if I go into the messages app.  There 
> does not seem to be any pattern of which messages I get notified about and 
> which ones I don’t.  I do not have any focus on and Do Not Disturb is not on 
> either.  Why would this be happening?
> 
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RE: Question About Two Sim Cards In One Phone

[M. Taylor]

Hali,

The second SIM card would have to be an eSIM card.  This is a software version 
of a physical SIM card.  You can search the web to learn more about eSIM cards.

Mark

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Subject: Question About Two Sim Cards In One Phone

Hi everyone.

I still use an SE2020 and remember that it can supposedly take two sim cards. 
However, I've never managed to figure out where the second Sim would go.
Does anyone know?

Thanks,
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RE: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[M. Taylor]

Hello Wayne,

I don't know if this will help but it is certainly a good place to start.

>From the Settings menu:

1.
Select Face ID and Passcode.

2.
Toggle "Attention Aware Features" to off.

3.
Return to the previous screen and then reboot your device.

Wayne, be certain that you select Attention aware features.  This is a separate 
setting from the require Face ID attention toggle.

I hope this helps.

Mark

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Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 12:57 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: System sounds lower in iOS 17

Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the volume of 
the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For whatever reason, my system 
and notification sounds seem to be lower than the VoiceOver sounds. I have my 
sound and alert volume set fairly high, so that I can hear my alarms when they 
go off, but I'm still having trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the 
swish noise when a text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the sound 
volume is lower for the default notification sounds. In that case though I have 
my phone set to vibrate along with making the sound. Is there a setting I can 
adjust to raise the volume? For the record, I'm running iOS 17.0.3.

Warmly,
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RE: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello William,

Assuming one wishes to use multiple eSIM cards from the same wireless provider, 
or its subsidiary, then a phone does not need to be unlocked.

However, if one wishes to use multiple eSIM cards from non-partnered wireless 
providers, then the phone needs to be completely unlocked.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
James
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

I have an iPhone from T-Mobile.  Yes, it is locked but what I’ve done is use a 
service called Digits.  It is from T-Mobile and costs ten bucks a month.  I use 
this for my mobile number for my job.  I also use it to give out to those who I 
don’t want having my private number.

Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Oct 19, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My phone was locked with AT, because of a deal that they offered on my 
> iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> So, when I moved to a more rural area, and AT did not provide adequate 
> coverage, I had to change to Verizon, which involved:
> 
> 1. Paying off my 14 Pro.
> 2. Getting AT to unlock my phone.
> 3. Getting AT to give my phone number clearance for porting to Verizon.
> 
> It took about 24 to 48 hours for each step to be cleared, but I now have 
> Verizon with adequate coverage and good quality phone calls, which I did not 
> have here with AT
> 
> I will say that AT was very cooperative.
> 
> I got a text from Visa, wanting to make sure it was a valid withdrawal to pay 
> off the phone, and they asked three security questions:
> 
> Give my birth date in two digits.
> 
> Give the middle two digits of my Social Security Number
> 
> I forget the third security question, but I texted them all back 
> satisfactorily.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 12:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?
> 
> Hello Kathy,
> 
> If you have a phone which is locked to AT then you will not be able to have 
> a second SIM in the phone from a different provider.
> I am in Canada, but do carriers in the United States even still lock phones 
> these days?
> Here in Canada that has been illegal for some years now and it's really a 
> mute point since a locked phone does nothing to force you to stay with one 
> carrier; contracts do that. If you buy an iPhone for example from AT and 
> you have a contract in place where you pay a certain amount each months to 
> pay off the phone, then you can't really leave that obligation whether the 
> phone is locked or not unless you paid out whatever balance is remaining.
> I also understood that even if you are in a contract of some sort in the past 
> and you had your phone for a certain amount of time, like 3 or 6 months, you 
> could then request for the phone to be unlocked. Locking phones is the most 
> ridiculous thing a carrier can do if they in fact still do it given how many 
> people want to travel these days and potentially use a SIM from a provider in 
> a different country for a few weeks.
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kathy Brandt
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 9:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: M. Taylor 
> Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?
> 
> I had asked yesterday: does the phone have to be unlocked in order for you to 
> use two cards like that?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Cory Jackson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am currently using 2 ESims on my iPhone 14.
>> 
>> You can have them both active at once. They are from 2 different providers. 
>> You can program them both to ring differently and play different message 
>> alert tones. I can see both connections at the top.
>> 
>> It is working very well.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Cory Jackson
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 10/18/2023 1:21 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Is anyone currently using two eSIM cards on an iPhone?  You know, 
>>> using one telephone number as a primary and a second number as a secondary 
>>> number?
>>> 
>>> If so, how is that working for you?
>>> 
>>> Also, If you do have 2 eSIM cards currently installed, are they from 
>>> different wireless providers?
>>> 
>>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>&g

RE: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

1.
Using the eSIM generator app from T-Mobile, I easily created and setup a 
secondary number on my beloved 14.  I must admit the process was remarkably 
simple and completely VoiceOver accessible.

2.
I am truly impressed with the customization that is available when multiple 
eSIM cards are active on iPhone.

3.
Cory, you mentioned that you can set a default ring tone for each eSIM number.  
Using the instructions you listed in a previous post, I do not see an option to 
select which telephone number will be set as the default ring tone for a number.

What OS are you running on your phone?  I am currently running iOS 16.7.

If you can provide more detailed steps on how to select a default ringtone for 
each number, I would greatly appreciate it.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cory 
Jackson
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

Hi,
I don’t know if you can assign a different ring to all five. However, if you 
open settings and sounds and choose ringtone or text tone, there will be a 
setting for primary and secondary.
Regards:
Cory Jackson

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2023, at 8:17 PM, Mark Brett  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have five providers in my handset, all of them work well, but how do 
> you get each provider to ring differently and give you a different message 
> alert tone?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> 
> Mark Brett
> 
> Email markbr...@gmail.com
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> 
> On 19 Oct 2023, at 16:27, Cory Jackson  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am currently using 2 ESims on my iPhone 14.
> 
> You can have them both active at once. They are from 2 different providers. 
> You can program them both to ring differently and play different message 
> alert tones. I can see both connections at the top.
> 
> It is working very well.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Cory Jackson
> 
> 
>> On 10/18/2023 1:21 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Is anyone currently using two eSIM cards on an iPhone?  You know, 
>> using one telephone number as a primary and a second number as a secondary 
>> number?
>> 
>> If so, how is that working for you?
>> 
>> Also, If you do have 2 eSIM cards currently installed, are they from 
>> different wireless providers?
>> 
>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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RE: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello LenRon,

This is great news.  

I've been thinking about doing this for a while and think I will take the 
proverbial plunge as a second number would be extremely useful, at times.

Thank you so much for your reply,

Mark

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brown
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

I am doing this and it works fine. At and TMobile are the companies.

On 10/18/23, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Is anyone currently using two eSIM cards on an iPhone?  You know, 
> using one telephone number as a primary and a second number as a secondary 
> number?
>
> If so, how is that working for you?
>
> Also, If you do have 2 eSIM cards currently installed, are they from 
> different wireless providers?
>
> All replies greatly appreciated.
>
> Mark
>
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Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Is anyone currently using two eSIM cards on an iPhone?  You know, using one
telephone number as a primary and a second number as a secondary number?

If so, how is that working for you?

Also, If you do have 2 eSIM cards currently installed, are they from
different wireless providers?

All replies greatly appreciated.

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RE: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on iPhone 15 Series

[M. Taylor]

Man but you do know how to make me laugh out loud

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 9:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on 
iPhone 15 Series

Of course I may also decide to take Mark as a second wife... oops, shouldn't 
have put that shot of vodska into my ginger ale tonight.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on 
iPhone 15 Series

Hi,

I have both a 15 Pro and a 15 Pro Max and so far no activities have caused them 
to get any warmer than prior devices I've owned. I may perceive the warmth it 
exhibits during charging with the 240 watt USB-C cable with Apple's 30 watt 
charger to be slightly more so than other prior devices have exhibited but 
nothing that would cause me to be overly concerned and I am one who literally 
loathes when a device heats up so I would be prone to reacting to such a 
perception or reality.

Just chiming in with my experiences for the sake of sharing I'm not in any way 
seeking to minimize or invalidate the experiences of others merely reporting 
that which I've noted thus far.

Take good care,

Robin


On 10/12/2023 2:11 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Well, I have been working with a 15 Plus for over a week. I have truly 
> been putting it through it proverbial paces and I can tell you that 
> the device heats up far faster and far warmer than does my beloved 14 Pro Max.
>
> It's really quite interesting as I understand that the 15 Plus is just 
> a 14 series inside that titanium case.  Is this true?
>
> Regardless, with only a screen protector installed and using a cheap
> $10 case I purchased at the Apple store, using the device for any 
> uninterrupted length of time when performing longer tasks such as 
> performing system restores, lengthy GPS navigation, App updates (over
> 30 or so at a time) the phone really heats up.  I'm not saying it is 
> heating to a dangerous level but I am saying that it is heating up so 
> much and so fast that I have decided to not purchase a 15 Pro Max, this year.
>
> Of course I am comparing the 15 Plus with my beloved 14 Pro Max with 
> the same level of screen brightness.
>
> Okay, just thought I would pass this along.
>
> Keep in mind, this is just my experience:  Your milage may vary.
>
> I hope you are all doing well.
>
> Mark
>
>

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RE: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on iPhone 15 Series

[M. Taylor]

Sieghard,  

You are one funny man.

I assure you that I did not buy iPhone 15 Plus.

It is simply on loan to me for a few weeks.

Stay warm up there, in the north (smile).

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 9:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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iPhone 15 Series

I don't think the regular iPhone 15 and 15 Plus have Titanium frames, but of 
course I could be wrong.
Of course it's also beyond me why if  you have an iPhone 14 Pro Max you would 
buy a 15 Plus which has the exact same chip, it lacks the LiDAR sensor your 14 
Pro Max has and as far as I can tell all you get is an action button to which 
you can map one single function and you have a USB-C port instead of a 
Lightning port.
Of course if you decide you don't want it any more you can send it to me, it is 
starting to get cold up here in Northern British Columbia and this may make a 
nice hand warmer 藍

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From: M. Taylor <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 11:11 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on iPhone 
15 Series

Hello All,

Well, I have been working with a 15 Plus for over a week. I have truly been 
putting it through it proverbial paces and I can tell you that the device heats 
up far faster and far warmer than does my beloved 14 Pro Max.

It's really quite interesting as I understand that the 15 Plus is just a 14 
series inside that titanium case.  Is this true?

Regardless, with only a screen protector installed and using a cheap $10 case I 
purchased at the Apple store, using the device for any uninterrupted length of 
time when performing longer tasks such as performing system restores, lengthy 
GPS navigation, App updates (over 30 or so at a time) the phone really heats 
up.  I'm not saying it is heating to a dangerous level but I am saying that it 
is heating up so much and so fast that I have decided to not purchase a 15 Pro 
Max, this year.

Of course I am comparing the 15 Plus with my beloved 14 Pro Max with the same 
level of screen brightness.

Okay, just thought I would pass this along.

Keep in mind, this is just my experience:  Your milage may vary.

I hope you are all doing well.

Mark


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RE: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on iPhone 15 Series

[M. Taylor]

Ed, 

You received the message because I sent the post to the entire group.

Mark

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Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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iPhone 15 Series

Hi Mar,,
I do not know why I am receiving these emails from you. Please check and see 
why I am receiving these emails in my inbox from you.
Thanks.
Ed

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on iPhone 
15 Series

Hello All,

Well, I have been working with a 15 Plus for over a week. I have truly been 
putting it through it proverbial paces and I can tell you that the device heats 
up far faster and far warmer than does my beloved 14 Pro Max.

It's really quite interesting as I understand that the 15 Plus is just a 14 
series inside that titanium case.  Is this true?

Regardless, with only a screen protector installed and using a cheap $10 case I 
purchased at the Apple store, using the device for any uninterrupted length of 
time when performing longer tasks such as performing system restores, lengthy 
GPS navigation, App updates (over 30 or so at a time) the phone really heats 
up.  I'm not saying it is heating to a dangerous level but I am saying that it 
is heating up so much and so fast that I have decided to not purchase a 15 Pro 
Max, this year.

Of course I am comparing the 15 Plus with my beloved 14 Pro Max with the same 
level of screen brightness.

Okay, just thought I would pass this along.

Keep in mind, this is just my experience:  Your milage may vary.

I hope you are all doing well.

Mark


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iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on iPhone 15 Series

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Well, I have been working with a 15 Plus for over a week. I have truly been
putting it through it proverbial paces and I can tell you that the device
heats up far faster and far warmer than does my beloved 14 Pro Max.

It's really quite interesting as I understand that the 15 Plus is just a 14
series inside that titanium case.  Is this true?

Regardless, with only a screen protector installed and using a cheap $10
case I purchased at the Apple store, using the device for any uninterrupted
length of time when performing longer tasks such as performing system
restores, lengthy GPS navigation, App updates (over 30 or so at a time) the
phone really heats up.  I'm not saying it is heating to a dangerous level
but I am saying that it is heating up so much and so fast that I have
decided to not purchase a 15 Pro Max, this year.

Of course I am comparing the 15 Plus with my beloved 14 Pro Max with the
same level of screen brightness.

Okay, just thought I would pass this along.

Keep in mind, this is just my experience:  Your milage may vary.

I hope you are all doing well.

Mark


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RE: Updating from an iPhone 12 Pro Max to a 15 Pro Max experience.

[M. Taylor]

Great info, Malcolm.  Thank you for posting.

I am certain that you will love your new phone.

Mark

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Parfitt
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 5:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Updating from an iPhone 12 Pro Max to a 15 Pro Max experience.

Hello friends.

Earlier yesterday here in the UK I received my new iPhone 15 Pro Max.

I was upgrading to this model from an iPhone 12 Pro Max.

Once I booted the new device I was offered the choice of updating iOS to the 
latest release which I did.

Once initial setup was completed including Face ID I chose to transfer the data 
between the two devices.

This took no time at all and once completed my new device downloaded the apps 
that were present on my iPhone 12 Pro Max.

The only apps that required verification were financial apps like:  HSBC ESET 
Home Idmobile and so-on.

Once my new device was approved by these applications my iPhone 15 Pro Max was 
up and running.

The two devices are not that dissimilar in size so orientation was not too big 
a problem.

The new iPhone feels somewhat quicker in its response across all apps and using 
a variety of voices with VoiceOver.

My initial findings are that the camera upgrade does not have an impact on the 
apps we as blind people would typically use.

Apple made the transition between the two devices as trouble free as it could 
have been and I am pleased with the upgrade process and the device itself.

Hope this may help someone.
Malcolm Parfitt

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RE: an oddity with messaging after 17.0.1 updateIt turns out

[M. Taylor]

This is great information.

Thank you, Dan.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 6:57 AM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: an oddity with messaging after 17.0.1 updateIt turns out

Ok, I found the problem.

It turns out that the update turned on a setting that I haven't seen before.

If you go into accessibility settings and then go down to almost the bottom of 
the screen you will find a button called Siri.  If you click on that and then 
go down to almost the bottom of the screen again you'll find a button called 
"announce notifications on speaker".  It is a switch button.  Mine was on.  I 
turned it off and now my phone behaves as I prefer again.  It wakes the phone 
and VO reads the incoming message to me.
 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA
On 9/25/2023 9:11 AM, Dan wrote:
This actually started with 17.0.

I am seeing a situation where most messages that come in wake the phone and 
show the home screen with the message near the bottom of the screen.  This is 
normal behavior for my phone.  But since 17.0 some messages are coming in with 
a different message sound than I have set for messages and it doesn't wake the 
phone and Siri reads the message anyway.  This is starting to bug me.  I have 
looked all over the settings and can't find anything that would cause this 
behavior and can't find a way to make it behave the way it used to.

Has anyone else seen this and if so does anyone know how to stop it?

I am using an Iphone SE2020.


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RE: Pro vs Max

[M. Taylor]

You made me laugh out loud, Andy.  Thank you so much.

I have more than a few appliances about which I feel the exact same way, as you.

With a big smile,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max

I still have the one i bought with my old iPhone 8 and it still works with the 
SE 3rd Gen. and you will have to pry it out of my cold dead fingers.

Andy

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To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pro vs Max


I really wish Apple would bring back the smart battery case. It is one of 
the accessories I really miss. When I used one of those cases, I never had 
to worry about charging throughout the day when I was out and about.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Robert Stigile  
> wrote:
>
> I am sure those numbers are with basic use!
> I am lucky to get ten hours with my 14 pro max when using oko aira zoom 
> texting email and calling during the day!
> Maybe they should have us test the battery with that use and then they can 
> put their numbers out!
> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
> National Federation of the Blind of California
> President San Fernando Valley Chapter
> 818-381-9568
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>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 15 Plus: 23 hours
>> 15 Pro: 26 hours
>> 15 Max: 29 hours
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: lenron brown 
>> Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>
>> Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
>> to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
>> what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
>> battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
>> read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
>> banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
>>>> On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as 
>>> heavily
>>> as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge, so I think 
>>> the
>>> odds are good it would last through a whole day if I did use the GPS
>>> extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the battery life on the Max 
>>> is
>>> better, just saying it's surprisingly good on the regular Pro as well.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not
>>>> like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside
>>>> from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine holding this thing 
>>>> in
>>>> one hand and actually doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R. 
>>>> So
>>>> I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like 
>>>> according
>>>> to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be bigger than this
>>>> year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another one.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Kelly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery
>>>>> life.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging
>>>>> cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever 
>>>>> worry
>>>>> about running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation 
>>>>> for
>>>>> hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus 
>>>>> model.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>>>> Robert Stigile
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>>>>
>>>>> Kelly
>

RE: forgot password for gmail email account

[M. Taylor]

Hello Ann,

 

As it has been a while since last I forgot a password, I can not be certain but 
such a wait time certainly sounds reasonable as it may decrease the likelihood 
that a BOT or a hacker would be successful in compromising your account.

 

Check the web and you will probably find a definite answer to your question.

 

Mark

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann M 
Medlar
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 10:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: forgot password for gmail email account

 

I forgot my password for my Gmail email account.

I use this email on Mac, iPhone, iPad and windows desktop.

Went to Google and went to forgot my password.  

I used iPhone for Google verification code.  

I entered this number on desktop.   

Received an email message stating

In 6 hours, we’ll email your email address with a link to sign in to your 
account.

Is this a new Google policy?

 

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RE: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[M. Taylor]

Hello Terri,

I think you will really enjoy either a 14 or 15 model.  Off the top of my head, 
I would say go with the new 15 series.

I am more concerned that you have a positive experience while visiting the 
Apple store than what you may or may not purchase.

So, my suggestions are:

1.
Make certain that you give yourself plenty of time to explore all of the 
devices about which you are interested.  Generally speaking, unless you know 
exactly what you want, I would plan on spending about 2-hours at the Apple 
Store.  Remember, I am basing this on Los Angeles area locations.

2.
Make certain that you are comfortable with the Apple associate who helps you.  
For example, some associates speak very fast or may seem to be impatient.  If 
you find that you are not comfortable with the associate, be kind and gracious 
and, blaming no one, ask if there is another associate available.On more 
than one occasion, I have had to ask for a different associate because I could 
not understand the associate because of extremely rapid speech or, more often 
than not, they continued to address my sighted companion, instead of me.  
Granted, such things do not happen, often but they do happen and you must be 
prepared to deal with them.  Remember, it is your time and your money and you 
must stay in control of the situation.

3.
If you have them, be certain to take a pair of wired Ear pods with you.  More 
often than not, the store will be very noisy and you will definitely want to 
use a headset when testing.

4.
Do not feel compelled to purchase a new phone just because you are in the 
store.  Fewer retail experiences are worse than buyer's remorse.  

Okay, good luck and please let us know how it goes.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 10:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

Hello everyone,


First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions on 
the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the stores. I 
always find this sort of stuff helpful.


I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. 
I love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still works 
quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.


However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, 
it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. 
Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the 
cost of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this 
phone. But this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if 
I ever want to upgrade.


My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message 
on it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do 
that, and use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is 
just better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead.


I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some 
of this will be opinion. That is fine by me.

However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts 
of things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate 
over the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list.


I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to 
hold the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which 
one I might be most comfortable with.


I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would 
know all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That 
would just be too large of a device for me.


I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging.

However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need?


I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I 
know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, 
because I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, 
I have friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff.


I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the 
camera. I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's 
camera.


However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for 
me. I use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more 
than that though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I 
hope that this might improve in time. I just don't always understand 
how, or where to aim the camera.


Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, 
to the 14 pro, or the 15 pro?


I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of 
course, I won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store.


What do you all think?

Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: Question about when I upgrade

[M. Taylor]

I strongly second your comments, Christopher.

While I think it best to start with a clean install, I have not done so in 
many, many years.  Apple makes it so convenient to simply move data from one 
device to another.  

Mark
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about when I upgrade

This is just my opinion, but I think it's always best to start from scratch. 
This way you don't propagate those mistakes you made on your previous device. 
That being said, I always bring everything forward in iCloud. I'm just too lazy 
to go through all of those settings I've tweaked. Note on Windows, I do always 
start from scratch.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:51 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Question about when I upgrade

Hi,
Does anyone have thoughts on what is best when upgrading, whether one should 
start fresh with the phone or whether one should always get what was saved from 
iCloud. I'll be upgrading from the 12 basic to the
15 pro, and I noticed that when I upgraded from the XR to the 12, I simply got 
what was saved on iCloud. It was the same settings and same layout as before, 
and somewhere along that time I got apps that weren't being used anymore or 
that I had downloaded and didn't need. I guess the question is whether I should 
start from scratch on this new phone and download the apps I want or whether I 
should get what I want from icloud and keep everything I've had for years in 
the way of older apps and layout and such.
Tom

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RE: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 15 Pro Max Running iOS 17.

[M. Taylor]

Hi Marda,

Thank you for posting such an interesting reply to this thread.

It is difficult to believe that, even in 2023, a store rep would treat you 
differently than your husband.  I continue to hear such things and it truly 
saddens me to no end.  Such things are detestable.

Sadly, many tech stores attempt to blame the customer rather than doing some 
serious troubleshooting.  

I'll bet if you took your devices to a carrier store, they would blame Apple.  
I, too, have encountered such scenarios.  It is awful.

As for the article that states that the 14 models hold up better than the 15 
models, I am not surprised.

So, yesterday, while in the store, as I was holding my beloved 14 in one hand 
and a 15 in the other, an employee of the store, with whom I have more than a 
passing acquaintance, asked, "What do you think of the knew phone?"  

In an extremely quiet and somewhat conspiratorial tone I replied, "Honestly, it 
feels like a cheap piece of plastic."  We both laughed out loud.  It was a 
wonderful moment.

Again, thank you for posting.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Marda  
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 6:59 PM
To: M. Taylor 
Subject: Re: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 
15 Pro Max Running iOS 17.

 From an article I read on applevis it seems the voiceover problems are very 
intermittent, have happened with five of their editorial team and another user 
they know of and aren't easily reproduceable because they don't happen every 
time and they happen with really very very few users.  Kind of reminds me of 
medications that have to report certain side effects that happen one time but 
rarely if ever happen.  They have to report it so they cover themselves but the 
risk of it happening is very very low to any given person.  I sort of view the 
voiceover issues in 17 this way.  I was going to first put it on a backup older 
phone as my husband has always done and recommended but even he, generally 
cautious and conservative as he is when it comes to such things, has decided to 
take the plunge and update his primary phone this weekend. Think I will 
probably do the same because my backup phone has apps on it that I like to use 
but I don't use it for phone calls so I can't test things like how it will 
react on calls so I'm figuring I'll probably download and install it as well on 
my primary device.  Thinking though of getting another phone.  I don't really 
want to and it would be a financial hardship but I have been having a lot of 
issues with the
SE2022 that I purchased in March.  One of them is what appears to be a fairly 
common issue, happening to my husband as well with his SE2022 purchased last 
October, where the battery not only drains very very quickly even when the 
phone isn't being used (like for me a couple of days ago I took it out for the 
evening and didn't even use it but it went from 100 percent to 32 percent in 
only about five hours.  I have a case with another battery so could have 
managed but still this is disturbing.  Both of us are having a another issue 
where the phone gets hot very quickly with minimal use, no heavy gaming or 
anything.  He has had the same kind of battery issues too whether he has 
charged his phone in the more traditional way using the ilightning cable or 
with a mag safe battery and charger.  I went to the apple store a few weeks ago 
for these issues plus another one where I was getting crackling sounds and 
seemingly broken up sounds like you'd get when the phone signal is inadequate 
or breaking up but those conditions weren't happening, signal strength was 
strong and all that.  When I took the phone off automaticaly going to 
speakerphone it helped some but the problem still persisted.  I was hoping 
apple would either give me a new battery or a new phone or something since I 
have apple care plus but they did neither.  They told me it could be a problem 
with my carrier or a software issue or a hardware issue (really helpful) and 
they were slightly more helpful to my husband who was with me because the guy 
actually spoke to him respectfully rather than dismissively and condescendingly 
as he did to me.  But even so he basically tried to blame us or the carrier.  A 
totally wasted trip to the store, no resolution of the issue.  So I don't use 
speakerphone anymore and that helped some. But that doesn't sound like a 
carrier issue to me.  If it's a software issue the guy told us we might have to 
actually take everything off the phone and start totally from scratch.  On a 
totally unrelated note, I read an interesting article about the new iPhones 
that are made of titanium.  Yes they are lighter which is neat.  But this 
article did a drop test and compared a 14 pro to a 15 (the 15 being titanium, 
the 14 stainless steel) and let's just say that the titanium didn't hold up 
well when dropped compared to the 14.  So it makes me wonder because I'm not 
hard on phones