RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Julian and Rajmund,

Please be careful.  You stated I am not an English native speaker.  This is 
incorrect.

Remind you, Mark the moderator already posted a note to all of y'all.  Please 
say no more.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Julian
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS



As I read this exchange it occurs to me that perhaps Todd may not be a native 
English speaker, so perhaps there may be a language barrier thus causing 
something to be lost in translation. I don't see this as a way to excuse nasty 
behavior, but, sometimes when words are not translated correctly it could lead 
to misunderstandings.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:55 PM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> He's certainly older than me, knows Rich for 35 years, as we've been told 
> about 10 times the last 7 days.  I didn't even exist back then myself.
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: regina alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:00:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS
> 
> 
> Mr.  Ed, I was not aware Todd was deaf/blind, but having read all of 
> his posts it seems he is a tad nasty to people who he wishes to help him.  I 
> do not care if someone is deaf, blind, black, white, Asian, in a wheelchair, 
> have a guide dog, an Indian-American or someone outside the country, U.S., 
> there is no need to be nasty.  There is far, far too much of that going 
> around.  It is time he try and make a point without attacking the very folks 
> who are helping him.  I have a hearing deficit also and frustration with some 
> parts of iPhone, but I lived when there were no computers much less voice or 
> braille displays.  Talk about frustration.  I had to use an Optacon to read 
> my whole screen on my first computer at work.  Couldn't even do that With 
> just a typewriter.  I do not know his age, but it does come across as a 
> spoiled child.  Jonathan is never nasty, and he has a worse hearing 
> difficulty than me..  Would Helen Keller be nasty? Me thinks not!!! (smiles 
> and hugs) On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Mr.  Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Reggie,
> Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board.  So he cannot use the method 
> you gave him.
> Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step by step 
> but Todd stated they did not work for him.
> Mr.  Ed
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of regina alvarado
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS
> 
> 
> Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it.  Maybe you are 
> using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much trouble, but 
> I am sorry it doesn't work for you.  I had arrange apps, tapped on that, went 
> to the activate choice, double tapped with one finger on that and I could 
> delete completely just as any other IOS app or app I put on.  I am" using IOS 
> 10.1.1 or the latest.
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> All:
> 
> Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue?
> 
> One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I 
> tried doing so, it will not.  It says "Your Homekit will not be deleted".  
> This really sucks.  I have absolutely no need for it.
> 
> Yes, y'all need to understand that.  That is what Apple Inc.  fails to 
> realize.
> 
> Also, Health app does not show "activate" or "Arranging apps".  What kind of 
> thing is that?
> 
> Use your common sense!
> 
> That is all I can say now.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Todd
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RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Merv,

 

That is for you.  I have no use.

 

There are many apps related to Health.

 

Apple Inc. is simply and slyly luring folks and those on this list to buy their 
products.

 

Thanks.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Merv Keck
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Health might be useless to you. but I get gift cards from Amazon and iTunes for 
walking five miles a day thanks to the Health app. I use it to count my steps. 
Then I open my insurance app and the information from the health app is 
seamlessly transferred to the insurance app and when I get enough points I can 
cash in for as many gift cards as I can. I have already spent quite a few 
dollars at both Amazon and the App store over the past few years. I could save 
up for other purchases, even iPads and there are other stores as well such as 
Target. But these are the two I like to shop with.

Apple can put all the stock apps they want on my 128 GB iPhone as long as the 
money keeps rolling in.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Mary,

 

You are mistaken.  I do not have behavioral problems.  No psychological issues, 
either!

 

You do not understand the points I have made.  I have nothing against y’all.  
Y’all need to learn to be a little bit more understanding.  That is where you 
need to work on.

 

I do not need anything to do with Android.  That is not my thing.

 

Some of you do not have common sense like I do.  I noticed that, yes.

 

Only time will tell.  You will then see what it means.

 

That is all.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Well, this could be get me kicked off the list, although I hope not. I would 
suggest that in the future, we all ignore post from this individual because he 
has shown a persistent inability to understand that his complaints are 
personal, privilege, entitled, and have no place on this list. Todd, if you 
can't shape up, get an android device, find some android list, and see how you 
get on there. Otherwise leave us alone.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 8:12 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Todd,

   You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to do 
this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred and 
used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a very 
general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You keep 
saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough that 
shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated that 
many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is Apple 
wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be removed 
can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of space on a 
device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB models out there. 
I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in folders is not using 
any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this point, I think a lot of 
people are only filling devices with video and audio far more than the 
applications.

 


Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

 

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

 

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

 

 

 

On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Victor,

 

You are missing.  I never said “all”.  I mean it because not all the apps do 
for me.  I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or 
as many as possible to use their products.  That is just full of bologna.  Yes, 
they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them!  Think twice.

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Todd, they are useless to you.  I happen to use Health, home, and entertainmen

RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Mary,

 

You are mistaken.  I do not have behavioral problems.  No psychological issues, 
either!

 

You do not understand the points I have made.  I have nothing against y’all.  
Y’all need to learn to be a little bit more understanding.  That is where you 
need to work on.

 

I do not need anything to do with Android.  That is not my thing.

 

Some of you do not have common sense like I do.  I noticed that, yes.

 

Only time will tell.  You will then see what it means.

 

That is all.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Well, this could be get me kicked off the list, although I hope not. I would 
suggest that in the future, we all ignore post from this individual because he 
has shown a persistent inability to understand that his complaints are 
personal, privilege, entitled, and have no place on this list. Todd, if you 
can't shape up, get an android device, find some android list, and see how you 
get on there. Otherwise leave us alone.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 8:12 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Todd,

   You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to do 
this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred and 
used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a very 
general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You keep 
saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough that 
shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated that 
many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is Apple 
wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be removed 
can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of space on a 
device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB models out there. 
I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in folders is not using 
any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this point, I think a lot of 
people are only filling devices with video and audio far more than the 
applications.

 


Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

 

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

 

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

 

 

 

On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Victor,

 

You are missing.  I never said “all”.  I mean it because not all the apps do 
for me.  I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or 
as many as possible to use their products.  That is just full of bologna.  Yes, 
they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them!  Think twice.

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Todd, they are useless to you.  I happen to use Health, home, and entertainment.

 

Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you 
can make blanket statements like the one you used.

 

Victor

 

From: Todd Patkus 

Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM

To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Mary,

 

Wait a minute.

 

I never said I want them “all” gone.  I said that most of the apps like Home, 
Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless.

 

Therefore, you are missing something.  Yes, you have the wrong impression that 
I want them all gone.  Not true!

 

That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway.  They do not know what 
they are thinking.  they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing.  
That is it.

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just 
in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't 
have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do 
everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement 
coming for one guy.
Mary


Sent from m

RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

John,

 

Who do you yourself think you yourself are?

 

Saying, Think twice is simply a habitual way to say.  You are not alone to whom 
I use to quote it.  Plus, I am not alone in quoting that;  Rich is another one.

 

I want you and the folks here to realize what was said stands correct.

 

I care less about music, videos, and some of the apps.  I have no interest in 
music.  Too much of music is enough.  That is why I said iTunes should be used 
in a more narrow way, not mixing it with apps where music is not mentioned.

 

That is simply ridiculous and should be changed for the better.

 

John, you have a lot yet to learn.

 

If you, John, or anyone do/does not like what I said, that is too bad for y’all.

 

This concludes.

 

Thanks.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Todd,

   You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to do 
this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred and 
used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a very 
general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You keep 
saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough that 
shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated that 
many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is Apple 
wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be removed 
can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of space on a 
device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB models out there. 
I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in folders is not using 
any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this point, I think a lot of 
people are only filling devices with video and audio far more than the 
applications.

 


Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

 

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

 

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

 

 

 

On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Victor,

 

You are missing.  I never said “all”.  I mean it because not all the apps do 
for me.  I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or 
as many as possible to use their products.  That is just full of bologna.  Yes, 
they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them!  Think twice.

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Todd, they are useless to you.  I happen to use Health, home, and entertainment.

 

Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you 
can make blanket statements like the one you used.

 

Victor

 

From: Todd Patkus 

Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM

To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Mary,

 

Wait a minute.

 

I never said I want them “all” gone.  I said that most of the apps like Home, 
Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless.

 

Therefore, you are missing something.  Yes, you have the wrong impression that 
I want them all gone.  Not true!

 

That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway.  They do not know what 
they are thinking.  they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing.  
That is it.

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just 
in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't 
have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do 
everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement 
coming for one guy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus < <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> 
tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sieghard,

 

You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items.  I do not care.  
That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted.  

RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Victor,

 

You are missing.  I never said “all”.  I mean it because not all the apps do 
for me.  I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or 
as many as possible to use their products.  That is just full of bologna.  Yes, 
they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them!  Think twice.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Todd, they are useless to you.  I happen to use Health, home, and entertainment.

 

Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you 
can make blanket statements like the one you used.

 

Victor

 

From: Todd Patkus 

Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Mary,

 

Wait a minute.

 

I never said I want them “all” gone.  I said that most of the apps like Home, 
Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless.

 

Therefore, you are missing something.  Yes, you have the wrong impression that 
I want them all gone.  Not true!

 

That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway.  They do not know what 
they are thinking.  they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing.  
That is it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just 
in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't 
have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do 
everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement 
coming for one guy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Sieghard,

 

You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items.  I do not care.  
That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted.  
I do not need that.  What a real waste!

 

Do not overlook this one!

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Hi John,

 

I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever the 
last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps can be 
deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are two 
examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a PDF 
needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular stock is 
doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go which to me is 
even better than putting them into a folder which I then have on a home page I 
do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from essential apps there 
are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that 
is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this 
list do use it on a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices 
like scales or blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses 
I have seen it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that 
there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we 
start getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

   Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t 
mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the 
apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t 
change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make 
use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far 
from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on 
their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to 
delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, 
that’s why you can create folders.

 


Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Todd Patkus]

Larry,

You are mistaken.  I am not angry, just being very firm about what I said.  
That is it.  Please watch out your language.  You used a bad word here.  Rip it 
off.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Smith
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:48 AM
To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Todd, why do you come across as being so angry all the time? You seem as though 
you are pissed at the world! Smiles, I guess I know how you will respond. But 
It’s ok. 
> On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sieghard,
> 
> I mentioned Freedom is because Denise said "JAWS".  Do not get on top of me!  
> Watch out what you are going to say.  All I did was suggest her contact them. 
>  That is it!
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
> 
> Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA isn't 
> doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts out there 
> which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge difference. I have a 
> feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty major changes so that 
> companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the information and in turn do 
> whatever is needed to make it as good as it can be.
> The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is 
> implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the site is 
> more or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a screenreader.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Patkus
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
> 
> Denise,
> 
> If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest you 
> contact Freedom Scientific on this one.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
> 
> I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.
> 
> 
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> denise avant
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
> possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 
> 6s plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am 
> also wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to 
> navigate it with JAWS  better? Thank you
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RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Mary,

 

Wait a minute.

 

I never said I want them “all” gone.  I said that most of the apps like Home, 
Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless.

 

Therefore, you are missing something.  Yes, you have the wrong impression that 
I want them all gone.  Not true!

 

That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway.  They do not know what 
they are thinking.  they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing.  
That is it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just 
in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't 
have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do 
everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement 
coming for one guy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Sieghard,

 

You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items.  I do not care.  
That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted.  
I do not need that.  What a real waste!

 

Do not overlook this one!

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Hi John,

 

I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever the 
last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps can be 
deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are two 
examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a PDF 
needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular stock is 
doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go which to me is 
even better than putting them into a folder which I then have on a home page I 
do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from essential apps there 
are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that 
is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this 
list do use it on a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices 
like scales or blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses 
I have seen it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that 
there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we 
start getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

   Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t 
mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the 
apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t 
change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make 
use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far 
from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on 
their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to 
delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, 
that’s why you can create folders.

 


Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

 

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

 

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

 

 

 

On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sieghard,

 

The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible 
to use all their apps like this.  They need to change for the better.

 

Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they 
“cannot be” deleted.  It simply makes no sense.

 

Think twice.

 

Thanks.

 

Todd

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Delete &

RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Mary,

 

That is your own word!  I followed to what you said.  There are some things you 
are overlooking.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

You can get rid of a lot of the Apple stock apps, stocks being one. Like I 
said, my suspicion is that there is more complications surrounding things like 
the home app and the Health app. Imagine the Hugh and cry if somebody had other 
apps on their system that were using those and then stupidly deleted home or 
health. Oh boy. Apple would hear from those folks. And it would of course not 
be Apple's fault. But you just know there would be somebody or more than one 
somebody out there who would try it. Maybe just because they could. This is 
such a non-issue, Todd. Given the strides that Apple has made and letting you 
get rid of their other apps. If you really hate it that much, go try android. 
Then you will find that there are things that you can't delete from there 
either. So if you don't like it, at least you can stop talking about it on the 
list.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Mary,

 

Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about this.  Not 
all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps.  I did tell the staff at Apple 
Accessibility on this one.  They fail to realize this.

 

Android is not accessible at all.  iPhone is the most accessible device so far. 
 I do not bother Android at all.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

My guess is that health and home  can't be deleted because they're not just 
simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of 
your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you 
get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. 
Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about 
it. Why is that hard?
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

All:

 

Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue?

 

One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried 
doing so, it will not.  It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”.  This 
really sucks.  I have absolutely no need for it.

 

Yes, y’all need to understand that.  That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize.

 

Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”.  What kind of 
thing is that?

 

Use your common sense!

 

That is all I can say now.

 

Thanks,

 

Todd

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RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Chris,

No.  It is a simple fact.  I am sure Rich will tell you about it.

You are missing something this time.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

It's an opinion, and it may be your opinion, but it's not a truth. I find 
Android as accessible as Apple, and even though I still use an iPhone at the 
office, I've switched to using an Android phone for my own personal use.

Also, in your first message, you said that Android wasn't accessible at all, 
which isn't nearly the same thing as saying Android isn't as accessible as 
Apple, which is what you said in your second message.

On 20/11/16 18:40, Todd Patkus wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Whatever you say.  I am aware of Android not being as accessible.  This is 
> true.
>
> That is all I can tell you.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS
>
> It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is 
> more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being 
> accessible at all.
>
> I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an 
> annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple then 
> they must be doing a great job with accessibility!
>
> On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote:
>> Mary,
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about 
>> this.  Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps.  I did 
>> tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one.  They fail to realize 
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Android is not accessible at all.  iPhone is the most accessible 
>> device so far.  I do not bother Android at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>> *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS
>>
>>
>>
>> My guess is that health and home  can't be deleted because they're 
>> not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on 
>> the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or 
>> whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any 
>> better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you 
>> don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard?
>> Mary
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> All:
>>
>>
>>
>> Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the
>> delete issue?
>>
>>
>>
>> One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but,
>> when I tried doing so, it will not.  It says “Your Homekit will not
>> be deleted”.  This really sucks.  I have absolutely no need for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, y’all need to understand that.  That is what Apple Inc. fails
>> to realize.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”.  What
>> kind of thing is that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Use your common sense!
>>
>>
>>
>> That is all I can say now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
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RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items.  I do not care.  
That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted.  
I do not need that.  What a real waste!

 

Do not overlook this one!

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Hi John,

 

I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever the 
last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps can be 
deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are two 
examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a PDF 
needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular stock is 
doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go which to me is 
even better than putting them into a folder which I then have on a home page I 
do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from essential apps there 
are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that 
is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this 
list do use it on a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices 
like scales or blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses 
I have seen it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that 
there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we 
start getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

   Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t 
mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the 
apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t 
change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make 
use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far 
from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on 
their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to 
delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, 
that’s why you can create folders.

 


Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

 

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

 

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

 

 

 

On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sieghard,

 

The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible 
to use all their apps like this.  They need to change for the better.

 

Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they 
“cannot be” deleted.  It simply makes no sense.

 

Think twice.

 

Thanks.

 

Todd

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Hi Mary,

 

Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*.

Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, 
Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others 
can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality.

Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in 
it right now and it goes away.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

My guess is that health and home  can't be deleted because they're not just 
simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of 
your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you 
get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. 
Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about 
it. Why is that hard?
Mary

Mary


Sent fro

RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

John,

 

I said “cannot expect everyone…”, which is correct.

 

Moving apps to a folder is not the answer, either.  It eats up space!

 

Think again about it.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

   Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t 
mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the 
apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t 
change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make 
use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far 
from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on 
their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to 
delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, 
that’s why you can create folders.

 


Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

 

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

 

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

 

 

 

On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sieghard,

 

The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible 
to use all their apps like this.  They need to change for the better.

 

Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they 
“cannot be” deleted.  It simply makes no sense.

 

Think twice.

 

Thanks.

 

Todd

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Hi Mary,

 

Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*.

Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, 
Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others 
can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality.

Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in 
it right now and it goes away.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

My guess is that health and home  can't be deleted because they're not just 
simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of 
your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you 
get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. 
Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about 
it. Why is that hard?
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus < <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> 
tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:

All:

 

Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue?

 

One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried 
doing so, it will not.  It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”.  This 
really sucks.  I have absolutely no need for it.

 

Yes, y’all need to understand that.  That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize.

 

Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”.  What kind of 
thing is that?

 

Use your common sense!

 

That is all I can say now.

 

Thanks,

 

Todd

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RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Chris,

Whatever you say.  I am aware of Android not being as accessible.  This is true.

That is all I can tell you.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is more 
accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being accessible at 
all.

I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an 
annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple then 
they must be doing a great job with accessibility!

On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote:
> Mary,
>
>
>
> Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about 
> this.  Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps.  I did 
> tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one.  They fail to realize this.
>
>
>
> Android is not accessible at all.  iPhone is the most accessible 
> device so far.  I do not bother Android at all.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Mary Otten
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS
>
>
>
> My guess is that health and home  can't be deleted because they're not 
> just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the 
> last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or 
> whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any 
> better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you 
> don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard?
> Mary
>
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> All:
>
>
>
> Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the
> delete issue?
>
>
>
> One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but,
> when I tried doing so, it will not.  It says “Your Homekit will not
> be deleted”.  This really sucks.  I have absolutely no need for it.
>
>
>
> Yes, y’all need to understand that.  That is what Apple Inc. fails
> to realize.
>
>
>
> Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”.  What
> kind of thing is that?
>
>
>
> Use your common sense!
>
>
>
> That is all I can say now.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Todd
>
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RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible 
to use all their apps like this.  They need to change for the better.

 

Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they 
“cannot be” deleted.  It simply makes no sense.

 

Think twice.

 

Thanks.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS

 

Hi Mary,

 

Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*.

Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, 
Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others 
can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality.

Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in 
it right now and it goes away.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

My guess is that health and home  can't be deleted because they're not just 
simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of 
your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you 
get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. 
Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about 
it. Why is that hard?
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

All:

 

Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue?

 

One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried 
doing so, it will not.  It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”.  This 
really sucks.  I have absolutely no need for it.

 

Yes, y’all need to understand that.  That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize.

 

Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”.  What kind of 
thing is that?

 

Use your common sense!

 

That is all I can say now.

 

Thanks,

 

Todd

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RE: Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

Mary,

 

Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about this.  Not 
all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps.  I did tell the staff at Apple 
Accessibility on this one.  They fail to realize this.

 

Android is not accessible at all.  iPhone is the most accessible device so far. 
 I do not bother Android at all.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS

 

My guess is that health and home  can't be deleted because they're not just 
simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of 
your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you 
get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. 
Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about 
it. Why is that hard?
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

All:

 

Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue?

 

One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried 
doing so, it will not.  It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”.  This 
really sucks.  I have absolutely no need for it.

 

Yes, y’all need to understand that.  That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize.

 

Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”.  What kind of 
thing is that?

 

Use your common sense!

 

That is all I can say now.

 

Thanks,

 

Todd

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Delete & remove in iOS

[Todd Patkus]

All:

 

Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue?

 

One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I
tried doing so, it will not.  It says "Your Homekit will not be deleted".
This really sucks.  I have absolutely no need for it.

 

Yes, y'all need to understand that.  That is what Apple Inc. fails to
realize.

 

Also, Health app does not show "activate" or "Arranging apps".  What kind of
thing is that?

 

Use your common sense!

 

That is all I can say now.

 

Thanks,

 

Todd

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RE: Heart Rate Monitor

[Todd Patkus]

Ed,

 

One person on this list had an app like this.  I believe Rich McGann will be 
able to tell you about it.

 

Rich, you can help him.  Thank you!

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Edward Przybylek
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:31 PM
To: ViPhoneList 
Subject: Heart Rate Monitor

 

Hi all,

 

I’m looking for a heart rate monitor and app that I can use with my iPhone.  I 
need it to continuously monitor my heart rate and display a value on my iPhone. 
 I would also like it to generate a sound with each heartbeat.  Essentially, 
the kind of thing you would find in a hospital room.  Please let me know if you 
know of such an item.  Thank you.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

Hello there,

That was Rich McGann who first mention this.  I have known him for 35 years.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home and Ios 10.

Hello Todd, 
I have seen that, but I've heard  that one can  delete apps through settings 
general manage storage, and just wondered how. I never figured it out. Thanks 
for any ideas you may have. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Todd Patkus  <tpte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:49 am
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

>
>
> Rajmund,
> 
> If you see one of the old emails from Sieghard, you will see what he told 
> Apple Accessibility about an underlying bug we finally noticed or finally 
> caught.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Home and Ios 10.
> 
> Hi Guys,
> How does one actually delete through the settings method, please? I never got 
> that to work, I just can't see the delete button at all, anywhere.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  <siegh...@live.ca>
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:54 am
> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi Todd,
> >  
> > I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have 
> > had the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are 
> > talking about native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has 
> > always been possible to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 
> > 10 you can also delete many of the native apps. As Richard explained very 
> > clearly this is also possible using a braille display with no speech 
> > whatsoever, sounds like the only thing one has to do on the phone itself is 
> > press the home button when you are all done to get out of the editing mode. 
> > I really don't see what Apple can do to make it easier than it is now and 
> > Rich actually described another way to delete apps via Settings..
> >  
> > Regards,
> > Sieghard
> >  
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Todd Patkus
> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
> >  
> > To all,
> >  
> > Now, look at what Pablo said?
> >  
> > Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have 
> > had that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is 
> > really screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!
> >  
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Pablo C. Morales
> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
> > To: viph...@googlegroups..com
> > Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
> >  
> > Yes, you can place apps that you don't use in a place that you know. 
> > However some people like me, I don't like some apps that are built on my 
> > phone> now with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that 
> > came built in my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other 
> > apps that I just don't use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my 
> > home screen, more space in folders.
> >  
> >  
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Dianne Phelps
> > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
> > To: viph...@googlegroups..com
> > Subject: Home and Ios 10.
> >  
> > I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my "Home" 
> > screen holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
> > extensively, placing things I don't use at the end of the list and those 
> > things I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of 
> > time. I don't feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space 
> > in memory for those things I wish to do. Though I don't use certain things 
> > offered, I figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way 
> > and carry on.
> >  
> > Dianne and Hibiscus
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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

Rajmund,

You better behave!  grin

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home and Ios 10.

Hello, 
He must be  the wild guy. LOL sorry,  couldn't resist.



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From: Cristach3bal  <crismuno...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:22 am
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

>
>
> Again. Seriously. Who is this guy?...
> A little bit of social skills can go a long way...
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Patkus
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> Sieghard,
>  
> Then, that is what you believe.  I mean it.  Y'all are missing something 
> beyond.  I do not have to listen to any repeated messages like Richard did.  
> Most of y'all are hearing-blind who miss a lot.  Rich is correct to what he 
> stated.  I have known him for 35 years.
>  
> I do not see y'all really understandd such.  I will say no more until y'all 
> first see where the facts stand.
>  
> Todd
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> Hi Todd,
>  
> I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have 
> had the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking 
> about native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been 
> possible to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can 
> also delete many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this 
> is also possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds 
> like the only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home 
> button when you are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't 
> see what Apple can do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually 
> described another way to delete apps via Settings..
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Patkus
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> To all,
>  
> Now, look at what Pablo said?
>  
> Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have 
> had that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
> screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Pablo C. Morales
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> Yes, you can place apps that you don't use in a place that you know. However 
> some people like me, I don't like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
> with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
> my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
> don't use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
> space in folders.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dianne Phelps
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my "Home" 
> screen holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
> extensively, placing things I don't use at the end of the list and those 
> things I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of 
> time. I don't feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in 
> memory for those things I wish to do. Though I don't use certain things 
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> and carry on.
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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

Rajmund,

If you see one of the old emails from Sieghard, you will see what he told Apple 
Accessibility about an underlying bug we finally noticed or finally caught.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home and Ios 10.

Hi Guys,
How does one actually delete through the settings method, please? I never got 
that to work, I just can't see the delete button at all, anywhere.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  <siegh...@live.ca>
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:54 am
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

>
>
> Hi Todd,
>  
> I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have 
> had the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking 
> about native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been 
> possible to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can 
> also delete many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this 
> is also possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds 
> like the only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home 
> button when you are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't 
> see what Apple can do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually 
> described another way to delete apps via Settings..
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Patkus
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> To all,
>  
> Now, look at what Pablo said?
>  
> Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have 
> had that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
> screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Pablo C. Morales
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
> To: viph...@googlegroups..com
> Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> Yes, you can place apps that you don't use in a place that you know. However 
> some people like me, I don't like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
> with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
> my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
> don't use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
> space in folders.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dianne Phelps
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
> To: viph...@googlegroups..com
> Subject: Home and Ios 10.
>  
> I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my "Home" 
> screen holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
> extensively, placing things I don't use at the end of the list and those 
> things I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of 
> time. I don't feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in 
> memory for those things I wish to do. Though I don't use certain things 
> offered, I figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way 
> and carry on.
>  
> Dianne and Hibiscus
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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

I do not have problems with the blind folks here.  They need to stop acting 
like middle school kids.  I do not deserve all their babbling.  They ned to 
grow up.

 

It is not the problem with social skills.  It is the behavior of those babbled.

 

Will y’all please stop all your babbling?  Think about it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Again. Seriously. Who is this guy?...

A little bit of social skills can go a long way…

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Sieghard,

 

Then, that is what you believe.  I mean it.  Y’all are missing something 
beyond.  I do not have to listen to any repeated messages like Richard did.  
Most of y’all are hearing-blind who miss a lot.  Rich is correct to what he 
stated.  I have known him for 35 years.

 

I do not see y’all really understandd such.  I will say no more until y’all 
first see where the facts stand.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Hi Todd,

 

I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have had 
the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking about 
native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been possible 
to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can also delete 
many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this is also 
possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds like the 
only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home button when you 
are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't see what Apple can 
do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually described another way to 
delete apps via Settings..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

To all,

 

Now, look at what Pablo said?

 

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have had 
that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

John,

 

Would you please quit babbling.  I do not have to agree.  I am simply amking 
points that are simple facts.  You need to learn to be a little bit more 
understanding.  You do not know what you are thinking.

 

I am sure Rich will tell y’all something.

 

Obnly grow up.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home and Ios 10.

 

He lost me a long time ago. I can’t figure out if he’s just extremely 
opinionated, generally misinformed or possibly trolling. If someone disagrees 
with him, they are in the wrong or are picking on him. I don’t know and I don’t 
have the time to figure it out. Hopefully, Mark and Cara are following things 
and can deal with it. If he’s that unhappy with Apple, he’s probably better off 
going some place else for his accessibility then.

 


Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

 

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MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

 

 

 

On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca 
<mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Hi Todd,

 

I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have had 
the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking about 
native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been possible 
to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can also delete 
many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this is also 
possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds like the 
only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home button when you 
are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't see what Apple can 
do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually described another way to 
delete apps via Settings..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

To all,

 

Now, look at what Pablo said?

 

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have had 
that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

Then, that is what you believe.  I mean it.  Y’all are missing something 
beyond.  I do not have to listen to any repeated messages like Richard did.  
Most of y’all are hearing-blind who miss a lot.  Rich is correct to what he 
stated.  I have known him for 35 years.

 

I do not see y’all really understandd such.  I will say no more until y’all 
first see where the facts stand.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Hi Todd,

 

I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have had 
the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are talking about 
native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has always been possible 
to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 10 you can also delete 
many of the native apps. As Richard explained very clearly this is also 
possible using a braille display with no speech whatsoever, sounds like the 
only thing one has to do on the phone itself is press the home button when you 
are all done to get out of the editing mode. I really don't see what Apple can 
do to make it easier than it is now and Rich actually described another way to 
delete apps via Settings..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

To all,

 

Now, look at what Pablo said?

 

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have had 
that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

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RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

I mentioned Freedom is because Denise said "JAWS".  Do not get on top of me!  
Watch out what you are going to say.  All I did was suggest her contact them.  
That is it!

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Unfortunately this is not strictly a Freedom Scientific problem, NVDA isn't 
doing a lot better with iTunes and while there are a few scripts out there 
which help a bit, there aren't any which make a huge difference. I have a 
feeling that Apple would have to make some pretty major changes so that 
companies like Freedom Scientific can get at the information and in turn do 
whatever is needed to make it as good as it can be.
The same applies to the iCloud.com website, I highly doubt Apple is 
implementing web accessibility guidelines/standards here since the site is more 
or less unuseable for somebody who needs to rely on a screenreader.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Denise,

If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest you 
contact Freedom Scientific on this one.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


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denise avant
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it 
with JAWS  better? Thank you

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RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Todd Patkus]

Richard,

 

That man sucks.  I do not care what they say.  Do not follow these crazy folks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Thanks guys,

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

As Pat Paulsen used to say “picky, picky, picky.”  Grin.

 

I knew right after I sent that I should have done the process and made sure of 
the button label.  That’s what I get for getting older.  Ha, Ha.

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi Richard,

 

You are so wrong, can’t you give correct instructions? *grin*

The button at the top right is not “Save” but “Add”.

After all the feature is “Add to Homescreen” and not “Save to Homescreen”. Just 
ask Todd, he’ll tell you (sorry, couldn’t help myself, just joking)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Yes.

While on that page in Safari, find the share button which is usually just above 
the home button at the bottom of the screen.

Double tap that and flick left with one finger until you find “add to home 
screen.”

Double tap and you will have an edit box where you can edit the name.

Just remember to double tap on the done or save button in the upper right.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi all,

I have been out from the list for a few months. Now I am using an iPhone 7, and 
I have a question for all of you.

Is there a way to create a shortcut, kind of icon app on the home page for a 
specific web page, that when we double tab, opens that web page on safari in 
one step?

Thank you so much,

 

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RE: Home and Ios 10.

[Todd Patkus]

To all,

 

Now, look at what Pablo said?

 

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should have had 
that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is really 
screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

 

Yes, you can place apps that you don’t use in a place that you know. However 
some people like me, I don’t like some apps that are built on my phone> now 
with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that came built in 
my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other apps that I just 
don’t use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on my home screen, more 
space in folders.

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dianne Phelps
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

 

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my “Home” screen 
holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of thingsquite 
extensively, placing things I don’t use at the end of the list and those things 
I do use more often on the first page which saves me a great deal of time. I 
don’t feel I need to really delete anything as I have enough space in memory 
for those things I wish to do. Though I don’t use certain things offered, I 
figure someone somewhere does. So I just put them out of my way and carry on.

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

[Todd Patkus]

Denise,

If you feel strong enough to have what you want be done, then, suggest you 
contact Freedom Scientific on this one.

Todd

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Subject: RE: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

I don't think the interface is very good with jaws at all.


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Subject: Latest version of iTunes with windows 10 and jaws for windows

Hello everyone,
I have a  few questions  about iTunes and windows I am wondering if it is 
possible to sync all of my contacts, appointments, notes, etc from my iPhone 6s 
plus  to my new windows computer I have the latest version of itunes  I am also 
wondering if I needed to change any of the settings in iTunes to navigate it 
with JAWS  better? Thank you

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RE: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

[Todd Patkus]

Patti,

Which laws are you referring them to when you said they are not covered?  Be 
specific.

Todd

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They aren't covered?  Then what is the point of the law?
Patti


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Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: DirecTV accessibility via the iPhone?

Thanks, Donna. This sounds promising. Did it matter which receiver you got in 
terms of using the app to the maximum? Are there differences in accessibility 
for different receivers? That is, is there any accessibility actually built 
into the receiver that you have or others that you know of? I'm thinking hear 
of something equivalent to the Xfinity thing. My guess is no, since cable boxes 
are not covered under that law that is supposed to make cable and TV sets 
actually become accessible starting next year.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:35 AM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> The Direct Tv app is 100% accessible!! There is also a voice feature that one 
> can use to locate programs & channels. I love this app because I'm able to 
> watch all of the channels I have subscribed to & also watch programs I have 
> recorded while away from home. I can also schedule a recording of a program 
> when away from home. The best accessible Tv viewing app I have come across. 
> 
> Donna
>> 
>> I never thought I would say this, but we might be looking into getting 
>> direct TV. This is because I just saw what our Comcast bill will be, once 
>> our contract ends next month. The word unacceptable doesn't even start to 
>> cover it. Anyway, I see there is an app for DirecTV, and it seems like the 
>> app will do a lot. But the question is, does anyone use this app? What parts 
>> of it are and are not accessible? Can you actually control the receiver, 
>> which I assume is worthless from an excess ability standpoint? What can and 
>> can't do you do from the app?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Rich et al,

You forgot that many times when companies hire new staff, they do not actually 
train them well enough.  Look at what happened to the RIDE, also known as 
paratransit, under the MBTA (Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority) years 
ago.  When an announcement was made statewide, the RIDE staff were to have 
tough training for a certain period of time, but, after the period ended, what 
happened?  Many of the drivers were not well-trained!  I did tell the general 
manager assistant that they need more training.  He did not say.  Then, what?  
That same man left without letting me know!

Same can happen to Apple staff.  Think of it.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us form 
people.

blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there is 
something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

ssincerely,
rich


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From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

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Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
> users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Todd
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RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

To all,

 

Rich, there is no need for you to call me by my name when you know I am already 
aware of.  Just speak to the whole group!

 

Voice memos is nothing to me, so I say what was said.  That does not mean I am 
against it;  it is just that it is simply nothing.  That one I would like to 
kick for good.  No use.  That is all.

 

I never have an answering machine on here.  Most of the calls come from Rich’s 
best number one friends telemarketers.  So I keep them stuck.  I save money.  
Too bad to them!

 

Plus, I really never make phone calls as used to anymore, just few.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

to all, 

 

since I was vice president of american assocation of deaf-blind for eight 
years, I understand what are going on as everyone has different degrees of both 
hearing and visual losses. no problem at all!

 

be yourself and do whatever you are pleased. just keep gong on. wink!

 

todd, deaf sometimes use voice memos to help talking to hearing people as deaf 
like to use voice memos and type to make orders or questions with things. there 
are some deaf who like and some other deaf who don’t like. that is okay. I 
would not worry as logn as they please. 

 

I do appreciate for anyone to help us with some advices for some reasons, and 
since everyone udnerstands that we are defblind and need help. we thank yo for 
all elp you can do for us. and we can determine. wink1 

 

todd, I do have voice mailgbox at home as it helps. because too many people try 
to get to me and I can’t follow up. so let them leave messages and when my 
sister comes, she can check where ssages come from  like ulititly, company, 
doctor’s office, or whatever as it is tough that people keep forgetting. so let 
go.be gratefu7l. 

 

sincerely, 

rich 

 

 

From: Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:32 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

Hello, Helga,

 

First, my name is spelled T o d d (double d), not T o d (one d), which means 
death in German!  Helga, next time, please spell it Todd, not Tod.  Thank you.

 

Note this applies to all those who are speech-only users.

 

Todd

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

Hi Tod  and all! How ar eyou all? Hey Todd, I actualy use the Voice  memos app 
in order  to record and so n. and actually my boyfriend hwo i s deafblidn uses 
it as well to record! And yes, I agree that there  are  a lot of bugs in 
software, but one should not complain about them; instead, one should suggest 
in fixig them. If one keeps complaining then things will never get fix! I know 
that using  a braille display with an apple  device is sometiems difficult, but 
not  impossible. I look forward in hearing from uyou soon. Thanks so much!

  Helga Schreiber 

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On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

John,

 

It is so easy for you to say what you said below.

 

The statement I made stands to be correct.

 

Yes, Apple Inc. fails to do more thorough diagnoses on their updates!  I am 
sure Rich will tell you something.

 

No need to remind me about opinions.  I am not opinionated;  I am making facts. 
 That is it.

 

Todd

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

   Remember. You are expressing your opinion. It is the opinion of one person. 
It is not universal. What you consid

RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Todd Patkus]

Richard,

 

Nope.  I am unable to delete such!

 

I can delete while in texting mode.  I chord d to delete letters.  But cannot 
delete apps.  That one sucks.  That is all.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

 

 

Todd,

You have been able to delete apps since the first iPhone came out.

The only issue now is the spoken label is not exact, but the delete function 
still works.

I Hope That Helps,

Richard

 

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."

- Satsuki Shibuya

 

 

(Sent from my iPod 6)


On Nov 19, 2016, at 1:55 AM, rajmund  > wrote:

hi, I noticed it, but thought you couldn't delete apps that way, and left it at 
that.

On 19/11/2016 08:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

 

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
is a small mistake in how the “Activate” and “Move” options are labelled.

 

What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
on “Arrange Apps” is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:

 

Activate, default

Move Facebook

 

However, in this case “Activate” which would prompt you to delete the Facebook 
app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange Apps and 
then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down you end up 
activating the Move function and not the delete function, so “Move” is actually 
the default.

. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply “Activate” or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said “Delete” or “Remove” and it 
should further say “Move Facebook, default”.

 

In order to save myself some time I am CC’ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it’s not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up before 
I assume I’m the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn’t mean they 
can’t fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by making it so the 
“Activate” option says “Delete” or “Remove”.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

Yes, the delete feature for iOS should have been enhanced long ago!  But now, 
that it has been brought up to the attention to the staff at Apple 
Accessibility.

Do not forget Microsoft has always had delete.  The, Apple should have done so.

In Windows of any version has delete for years.  Therefore, it should have 
already been enhanced.

We will see what they do.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

Hi Eden,

What do you mean by "I swear it worked correctly"? As far as I am concerned it 
does work correctly and it definitely always has worked this way, they just 
have to fix the labelling. I definitely hope they don't make it so a double tap 
immediately after the initial double tap to start arranging apps will go 
straight to delete. I think most of use the Move function a lot more than the 
delete function so being able to swipe up/down to Arrange Apps and do quickly 
do a double tap followed by another double tap without having to swipe is 
definitely very nice and it gets you to where you can move an app very quickly 
and efficiently.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eden
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

This is interesting. I just noticed this too after trying to explain to Todd. 
Interestingly enough, I swear it worked correctly before but now does not. 
Wonder if it was an update that broke it. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:20 am
Subject: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

>
>
> Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,
>  
> I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
> is a small mistake in how the "Activate" and "Move" options are labelled.
>  
> What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
> on "Arrange Apps" is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:
>  
> Activate, default
> Move Facebook
>  
> However, in this case "Activate" which would prompt you to delete the 
> Facebook app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange 
> Apps and then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down 
> you end up activating the Move function and not the delete function, so 
> "Move" is actually the default.
> . Therefore, Voiceover should say simply "Activate" or, in this context it 
> would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said "Delete" or "Remove" and it 
> should further say "Move Facebook, default".
>  
> In order to save myself some time I am CC'ing this email also to Apple 
> Accessibility, it's not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up 
> before I assume I'm the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn't 
> mean they can't fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by 
> making it so the "Activate" option says "Delete" or "Remove0..
>  
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
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RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Todd Patkus]

To all:

 

Now, you Apple staff, see where you are missing out.

 

You should have done this long before but never have you done so.  Now, you 
should do something about the issue here.

 

You cannot exclude deafblind like this.  You have many customers who are 
deafblind who are strong Braille users.  Look at me a strong Braille user.  
Rich McGann as a strong Braille user.  Therefore, for all, you need to do more 
than that!

 

Based on ADA Title III Public Accommodations, we deafblind have every right as 
the “normal” folks do.  That means we deafblind have the same rights as the 
majority does!

 

Please, Apple staff, take this into consideration to do something about this 
type of issue.

 

Thank y’all.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: 'accessibil...@apple.com' 
Subject: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

 

Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

 

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that there 
is a small mistake in how the “Activate” and “Move” options are labelled.

 

What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double tap 
on “Arrange Apps” is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:

 

Activate, default

Move Facebook

 

However, in this case “Activate” which would prompt you to delete the Facebook 
app is actually not the default because if you double tap on Arrange Apps and 
then double tap a second time immediately without swiping up or down you end up 
activating the Move function and not the delete function, so “Move” is actually 
the default.

. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply “Activate” or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said “Delete” or “Remove” and it 
should further say “Move Facebook, default”.

 

In order to save myself some time I am CC’ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it’s not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up before 
I assume I’m the first one to actually notice this, but that doesn’t mean they 
can’t fix it and in fact improve the labelling/instructions by making it so the 
“Activate” option says “Delete” or “Remove”.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Chris,

That does not answer.  I asked you where you got the "custom" thing!

I understand about double tap = chord 36, but what about dot and key command??? 
 Be more specific.

Thank you.

Todd

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christopher hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 AM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd, what I mean is, perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate a 
one finger swipe up or down. Same when I talked about the double tap; you 
perform the equivalent dot or key command to simulate this gesture.
> On 19 Nov 2016, at 07:45, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Remember I am deafblind.  I am a strong Braille user!  Swiping does not do 
> much.
> 
> Where are you getting all these stuff?
> 
> I got just one message, not twice, from you.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:36 AM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Hi
> 
> Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the 
> home screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would 
> perform the key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and 
> perform another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you 
> always have done pre-iOS 10.
> 
> Just a heads up.
> 
> 
>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> To all:
>> 
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete 
>> apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  That 
>> is not fair.
>> 
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>> 
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>> 
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the right 
>> commands for that task.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Todd
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Chris,

Remember I am deafblind.  I am a strong Braille user!  Swiping does not do much.

Where are you getting all these stuff?

I got just one message, not twice, from you.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:36 AM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi

Do you all know you can now delete apps using the new custom action on the home 
screen? If not, check it out. Using your Braille display, you would perform the 
key command to swipe up or down until you see "arrange apps" and perform 
another key command to double tap. You can then delete apps as you always have 
done pre-iOS 10.

Just a heads up.


> On 19 Nov 2016, at 02:15, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> To all:
>  
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete apps 
> from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  That is 
> not fair.
>  
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>  
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>  
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the right 
> commands for that task.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Todd
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Eden,

Are you saying "double tap" = chord dots 36 pressed once?

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eden
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd he means hit space and dots 3 and 6. Or you could also hit a cursor 
routing button above the item you wish to select. I hope this helps. 
Eden

- Original Message -----
From: Todd Patkus  <tpte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 pm
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

>
>
> Hello, Sieghard,
> 
> When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
> Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Hi Todd,
> 
> You wrote that you can see was arranging apps then activate". If you can get 
> to "Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
> braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you 
> want to delete the app. 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Todd Patkus
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Dani,
> 
> When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That 
> is all I can see!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.
> 
> I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
> from its lemon bar making experience-my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
> having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
> access to the VO output using Braille.
> 
> And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen 
> would've brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, 
> because I don't have the OS.)
> 
> Puzzled,
> Dani
> 
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dani,
> >
> > Actually, there is really no way to do that!
> >
> > Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
> >
> > How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what 
> > the screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> >
> > Todd,
> > You have a Braille display from Hims-I see your mail on theHims 
> > Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> > should be similar
> >
> > You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. 
> > You've got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But 
> > there should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
> >
> > 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dotblea/4 with spacebar.
> > When you get to the app
> > 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> > Braille should show"Moving [app name)'."
> > 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> > whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> > double-tap it.
> > (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> > here.)
> > 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Dani
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> To all:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> >> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
> >> speech users.
> >> That
> >> is not fair.
> >>
> >>
> 

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

Both the U2 and the iPhone are completely muted.  So is my PC completely muted.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Yes, but what do you do when you open an app or activate a button or link on 
your iPhone? That is why I wrote you should try whatever braille command you 
use to simulate a double tap. Sorry, I don't own a braille display or I would 
tell you, but I'm sure there is an equivalent command for a double tap which is 
one of the most basic gestures on the iPhone or, for that matter, on most touch 
screen devices. Maybe somebody who has a braille display could turn speech off 
and see if they can get to where they can delete an app only with the braille 
display and then explain it better.

Good luck,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see " arranging apps then activate". If you can get to 
"Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you want 
to delete the app. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

Yes, hopefully one will pop up on the list with a better definition of the 
equivalent command for the Braille display.

By the way, if I wanted to open an app, I either press on the cursor router 
more to the left of the display or chord dots 36, which is the same as enter.

If I want to get out of the app, I either press the home button on the iPhone 
or chord h.

With the two words--arranging... and activate, that is chord dot 6 repeatedly.

Not to worry about this.  We will find out soon.

Thank you

Stay well!  Smile

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Yes, but what do you do when you open an app or activate a button or link on 
your iPhone? That is why I wrote you should try whatever braille command you 
use to simulate a double tap. Sorry, I don't own a braille display or I would 
tell you, but I'm sure there is an equivalent command for a double tap which is 
one of the most basic gestures on the iPhone or, for that matter, on most touch 
screen devices. Maybe somebody who has a braille display could turn speech off 
and see if they can get to where they can delete an app only with the braille 
display and then explain it better.

Good luck,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see " arranging apps then activate". If you can get to 
"Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you want 
to delete the app. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
&

RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see " arranging apps then activate". If you can get to 
"Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do whatever the 
braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should ask then if you want 
to delete the app. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have 
>> the right commands for that task.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Scot,

Who do you yourself are?  Quit hollering at me.  I do not need you to yell at 
me like this.  Your behavior is unacceptable.  You yourself are very childish!  
You have no right to yell at anyone here.

You also need to learn to be more friendly and more understanding!

To all, please do not listen to him.  He is very rude!  Scott has behavioral 
problems, yes.  I do not listen to him.

I have done nothing wrong.  Scott has!

Thanks.

Todd



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dollar...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Tedd,  I am going to have to disagree with you.  I have no problems to delete 
app of my iphone.  But, please stop critized on Aple.  I am in the agreement 
with Dani.  You need to learn the new way as learning curve for the fact.   
Scott Dollar 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dani,
> 
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
> 
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
> 
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
> is showing or see where to find on the screen!
> 
> Think about it.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
> 
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
> 
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
> use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be 
> Braille feedback of everything VO says.
> 
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with 
> spacebar. When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille 
> should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it. (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
> 
> HTH,
> Dani
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have 
>> the right commands for that task.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate.  That is 
all I can see!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very much 
from its lemon bar making experience--my volume is terribly decreased, so I'm 
having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. I can get 
access to the VO output using Braille.

And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen would've 
brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have, because I don't 
have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the 
> screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims 
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps 
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've 
> got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there 
> should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar.
> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and 
> Braille should show"Moving [app name]."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking 
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.
> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are 
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have 
>> the right commands for that task.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
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>> iPhone list.
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RE: Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen is 
showing or see where to find on the screen!

Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar

You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got to 
use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be Braille 
feedback of everything VO says.

1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. When 
you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille should 
show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. (You 
can use your finger or the cursor routing button
here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To all:
>
>
>
> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to 
> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.
> That
> is not fair.
>
>
>
> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>
>
>
> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>
>
>
> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the 
> right commands for that task.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
> list.
>
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
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>
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>
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Braille commands for deleting app

[Todd Patkus]

To all:

 

At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to delete
apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech users.  That
is not fair.

 

We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.

 

Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?

 

A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the right
commands for that task.

 

Thank you.

 

Todd

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RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

Hello, Helga,

 

First, my name is spelled T o d d (double d), not T o d (one d), which means 
death in German!  Helga, next time, please spell it Todd, not Tod.  Thank you.

 

Note this applies to all those who are speech-only users.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Helga Schreiber
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

Hi Tod  and all! How ar eyou all? Hey Todd, I actualy use the Voice  memos app 
in order  to record and so n. and actually my boyfriend hwo i s deafblidn uses 
it as well to record! And yes, I agree that there  are  a lot of bugs in 
software, but one should not complain about them; instead, one should suggest 
in fixig them. If one keeps complaining then things will never get fix! I know 
that using  a braille display with an apple  device is sometiems difficult, but 
not  impossible. I look forward in hearing from uyou soon. Thanks so much!

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On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

John,

 

It is so easy for you to say what you said below.

 

The statement I made stands to be correct.

 

Yes, Apple Inc. fails to do more thorough diagnoses on their updates!  I am 
sure Rich will tell you something.

 

No need to remind me about opinions.  I am not opinionated;  I am making facts. 
 That is it.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

   Remember. You are expressing your opinion. It is the opinion of one person. 
It is not universal. What you consider to be important apps or unimportant apps 
is not shared among everyone. I agree with you on things like Stocks and Voice 
Memos, but I know others who would not agree with that. So, as the expression 
goes, Apple can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the 
people all of the time.

 

   Bugs are going to be in software. It’s a reality of any product based on the 
fact that so many different development teams do so much different work as 
updates are made available. I don’t particularly feel we need yearly updates to 
operating systems, but apparently, the majority of those who buy the products 
do appreciate it. There are certainly outstanding bugs in iOS that have 
lingered for far too long, but name a software product in which  one cannot 
make an equally valid statement. Android, Windows, etc … they all have them.

 

 




Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

 

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

 

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

 

 

 

On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sieghard,

The app store, iTunes store, Phone, Mail, and settings are the ones that I 
consider to remain.  I did not say ALL should be "non-native" but those apps 
that are absolutely useless, such as voice memos, stocks, should never be 
native but non-native.  That is where I stand for.

It is simply that a lot of the apps are simply useless and should never have 
been native in the first place.  They missed the point.  I was one of the ones 
who spoke out loudly at Apple.  They cannot expect everyone to have their 
products.  When they said it, I simply ignored and made a blunt statement to 
them making them realize they are just wasting such efforts making them native. 
 That cannot be so.

Meantime, I see still bugs there.  Apple needs to do more than just release new 
versions of the iOS.  They need to learn to do more thorough diagnoses to 
ensure the apps work correctly bef

RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

Ed,

 

Please do not say that.  I already told you I am NOT!  That is it, period.  Be 
silent!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

Hi Todd,

No you are opinionated.  You are just looking at it from your point of view. 
For example you stated the voice memo app is no good for you That might be true 
in your case but people who can hear might want to use this app and I am 
guessing a lot of them do. So if you do not use the app just delete it. It’s 
that simple. I could be like you and say well since I cannot see very well I 
don’t need the camera app as I do not take pictures.  So Apple can take all the 
camera lenses  and all the  camera parts off the iPhone. So just because you 
don’t use something does not mean others don’t use it. So you need to open your 
head up a little and don’t be so hard headed. But I am sure you will not agree 
with any of this because you are so close minded.  You just look at things that 
make sense to you and the things you don’t understand you close your mind off 
to.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

John,

 

It is so easy for you to say what you said below.

 

The statement I made stands to be correct.

 

Yes, Apple Inc. fails to do more thorough diagnoses on their updates!  I am 
sure Rich will tell you something.

 

No need to remind me about opinions.  I am not opinionated;  I am making facts. 
 That is it.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

   Remember. You are expressing your opinion. It is the opinion of one person. 
It is not universal. What you consider to be important apps or unimportant apps 
is not shared among everyone. I agree with you on things like Stocks and Voice 
Memos, but I know others who would not agree with that. So, as the expression 
goes, Apple can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the 
people all of the time.

 

   Bugs are going to be in software. It’s a reality of any product based on the 
fact that so many different development teams do so much different work as 
updates are made available. I don’t particularly feel we need yearly updates to 
operating systems, but apparently, the majority of those who buy the products 
do appreciate it. There are certainly outstanding bugs in iOS that have 
lingered for far too long, but name a software product in which  one cannot 
make an equally valid statement. Android, Windows, etc … they all have them.

 

 




Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

 

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

 

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

 

 

 

On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sieghard,

The app store, iTunes store, Phone, Mail, and settings are the ones that I 
consider to remain.  I did not say ALL should be "non-native" but those apps 
that are absolutely useless, such as voice memos, stocks, should never be 
native but non-native.  That is where I stand for.

It is simply that a lot of the apps are simply useless and should never have 
been native in the first place.  They missed the point.  I was one of the ones 
who spoke out loudly at Apple.  They cannot expect everyone to have their 
products.  When they said it, I simply ignored and made a blunt statement to 
them making them realize they are just wasting such efforts making them native. 
 That cannot be so.

Meantime, I see still bugs there.  Apple needs to do more than just release new 
versions of the iOS.  They need to learn to do more thorough diagnoses to 
ensure the apps work correctly before releasing them.  Think about it.

Todd



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi Todd,

The good news is that as of iOS 10 you can in fact delete native apps such as 
Mail, Voice Memos, Stocks, Calculator and so on. There are still some which are 
essentials to the operation of 

RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

Rajmund,

Whatever.  What is written is what is written!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi Todd, 
Well said. Sometimes, rather than new features, bugs should be fixed. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Todd Patkus  <tpte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:23 pm
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

>
>
> Sieghard,
> 
> The app store, iTunes store, Phone, Mail, and settings are the ones that I 
> consider to remain.  I did not say ALL should be "non-native" but those apps 
> that are absolutely useless, such as voice memos, stocks, should never be 
> native but non-native.  That is where I stand for.
> 
> It is simply that a lot of the apps are simply useless and should never have 
> been native in the first place.  They missed the point.  I was one of the 
> ones who spoke out loudly at Apple.  They cannot expect everyone to have 
> their products.  When they said it, I simply ignored and made a blunt 
> statement to them making them realize they are just wasting such efforts 
> making them native.  That cannot be so.
> 
> Meantime, I see still bugs there.  Apple needs to do more than just release 
> new versions of the iOS.  They need to learn to do more thorough diagnoses to 
> ensure the apps work correctly before releasing them.  Think about it.
> 
> Todd
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1
> 
> Hi Todd,
> 
> The good news is that as of iOS 10 you can in fact delete native apps such as 
> Mail, Voice Memos, Stocks, Calculator and so on. There are still some which 
> are essentials to the operation of the phone which can't be deleted and that 
> of course makes sense. These are apps like the App Store, Settings and so on.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Patkus
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1
> 
> Hello there, Sieghard,
> 
> I have a Braille Sense U2 Mini, so I would have to find the correct commands 
> for that.
> 
> As for that app Home, it is totally useless to me, and I have no need for it. 
>  So I would have kicked that goofy (smile) app out for good.
> 
> The only thing I abhor about Apple is that they tend to put many apps on all 
> products that are often useless and cannot be deleted completely due to them 
> being native apps.  That really sucks!  Yes, these folks at Apple Inc. are 
> missing something in a large way.
> 
> Not just Apple but other companies do the same.  I just do not understand how 
> these folks act like this.  they like to show off by saying there are apps 
> you need but the opposite is true.
> 
> It is just a real goof on them!
> 
> Thank you, Sieghard, for the information concerning the Home app.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1
> 
> Hi Todd,
> 
> Apple has come up with a standard for home automation devices. These are 
> things like connected thermostats, lights like the Philipps Hue, door locks, 
> automated sprinkler control systems, cameras, devices to open and close 
> curtains or blinds and so on. If you have any such devices and they support 
> Apple's Home Kit standard they will appear in the Home app.
> 
> I don't have a braille display, but maybe you know what commands to use if I 
> tell you how I delete apps and if you have ever moved apps you are half way 
> there. First, if I swipe up or down on any app on any home screen, Voiceover 
> says "Arrange Apps". At that point you can swipe up  or down again with one 
> finger and this will go back and forth between "Activate Item" or "Move" 
> followed by the name of the app.  If you then double tap on "Activate Item" 
> you will be asked if you want to delete the app and you can confirm and it 
> will be deleted.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Patkus
> Sent: Thursday, Nov

RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

John,

 

It is so easy for you to say what you said below.

 

The statement I made stands to be correct.

 

Yes, Apple Inc. fails to do more thorough diagnoses on their updates!  I am 
sure Rich will tell you something.

 

No need to remind me about opinions.  I am not opinionated;  I am making facts. 
 That is it.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

   Remember. You are expressing your opinion. It is the opinion of one person. 
It is not universal. What you consider to be important apps or unimportant apps 
is not shared among everyone. I agree with you on things like Stocks and Voice 
Memos, but I know others who would not agree with that. So, as the expression 
goes, Apple can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the 
people all of the time.

 

   Bugs are going to be in software. It’s a reality of any product based on the 
fact that so many different development teams do so much different work as 
updates are made available. I don’t particularly feel we need yearly updates to 
operating systems, but apparently, the majority of those who buy the products 
do appreciate it. There are certainly outstanding bugs in iOS that have 
lingered for far too long, but name a software product in which  one cannot 
make an equally valid statement. Android, Windows, etc … they all have them.

 

 




Take Care

 

John D. Panarese

Director

Mac for the Blind

Tel, (631) 724-4479

Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 

Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

 

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

 

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

 

 

 

On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sieghard,

The app store, iTunes store, Phone, Mail, and settings are the ones that I 
consider to remain.  I did not say ALL should be "non-native" but those apps 
that are absolutely useless, such as voice memos, stocks, should never be 
native but non-native.  That is where I stand for.

It is simply that a lot of the apps are simply useless and should never have 
been native in the first place.  They missed the point.  I was one of the ones 
who spoke out loudly at Apple.  They cannot expect everyone to have their 
products.  When they said it, I simply ignored and made a blunt statement to 
them making them realize they are just wasting such efforts making them native. 
 That cannot be so.

Meantime, I see still bugs there.  Apple needs to do more than just release new 
versions of the iOS.  They need to learn to do more thorough diagnoses to 
ensure the apps work correctly before releasing them.  Think about it.

Todd



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi Todd,

The good news is that as of iOS 10 you can in fact delete native apps such as 
Mail, Voice Memos, Stocks, Calculator and so on. There are still some which are 
essentials to the operation of the phone which can't be deleted and that of 
course makes sense. These are apps like the App Store, Settings and so on.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hello there, Sieghard,

I have a Braille Sense U2 Mini, so I would have to find the correct commands 
for that.

As for that app Home, it is totally useless to me, and I have no need for it.  
So I would have kicked that goofy (smile) app out for good.

The only thing I abhor about Apple is that they tend to put many apps on all 
products that are often useless and cannot be deleted completely due to them 
being native apps.  That really sucks!  Yes, these folks at Apple Inc. are 
missing something in a large way.

Not just Apple but other companies do the same.  I just do not understand how 
these folks act like this.  they like to show off by saying there are apps you 
need but the opposite is true.

It is just a real goof on them!

Thank you, Sieghard, for the information concerning the Home app.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Home in 

RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

The app store, iTunes store, Phone, Mail, and settings are the ones that I 
consider to remain.  I did not say ALL should be "non-native" but those apps 
that are absolutely useless, such as voice memos, stocks, should never be 
native but non-native.  That is where I stand for.

It is simply that a lot of the apps are simply useless and should never have 
been native in the first place.  They missed the point.  I was one of the ones 
who spoke out loudly at Apple.  They cannot expect everyone to have their 
products.  When they said it, I simply ignored and made a blunt statement to 
them making them realize they are just wasting such efforts making them native. 
 That cannot be so.

Meantime, I see still bugs there.  Apple needs to do more than just release new 
versions of the iOS.  They need to learn to do more thorough diagnoses to 
ensure the apps work correctly before releasing them.  Think about it.

Todd



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi Todd,

The good news is that as of iOS 10 you can in fact delete native apps such as 
Mail, Voice Memos, Stocks, Calculator and so on. There are still some which are 
essentials to the operation of the phone which can't be deleted and that of 
course makes sense. These are apps like the App Store, Settings and so on.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hello there, Sieghard,

I have a Braille Sense U2 Mini, so I would have to find the correct commands 
for that.

As for that app Home, it is totally useless to me, and I have no need for it.  
So I would have kicked that goofy (smile) app out for good.

The only thing I abhor about Apple is that they tend to put many apps on all 
products that are often useless and cannot be deleted completely due to them 
being native apps.  That really sucks!  Yes, these folks at Apple Inc. are 
missing something in a large way.

Not just Apple but other companies do the same.  I just do not understand how 
these folks act like this.  they like to show off by saying there are apps you 
need but the opposite is true.

It is just a real goof on them!

Thank you, Sieghard, for the information concerning the Home app.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi Todd,

Apple has come up with a standard for home automation devices. These are things 
like connected thermostats, lights like the Philipps Hue, door locks, automated 
sprinkler control systems, cameras, devices to open and close curtains or 
blinds and so on. If you have any such devices and they support Apple's Home 
Kit standard they will appear in the Home app.

I don't have a braille display, but maybe you know what commands to use if I 
tell you how I delete apps and if you have ever moved apps you are half way 
there. First, if I swipe up or down on any app on any home screen, Voiceover 
says "Arrange Apps". At that point you can swipe up  or down again with one 
finger and this will go back and forth between "Activate Item" or "Move" 
followed by the name of the app.  If you then double tap on "Activate Item" you 
will be asked if you want to delete the app and you can confirm and it will be 
deleted.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Chris,

You mean that app is more for managing your personal doings?

It is still on my iPhone now.  How do one remove that Home app?  Remember I am 
deafblind so I am a strong Braille user.

Thank you.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:30 AM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi

The "home" app is the hub for managing homekit devices. I simply removed it in 
the very first, and I mean very first, non-public, beta of iOS 10, as I have no 
homekit devices and was simply not interested.


> On 18 Nov 2016, at 04:09, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> To all:
>  
> Many of you may know this, but wonder if any of y’all know exactly what the 
> Home app that was appended to iOS 10.1.1 is for?  Exactly what does Home do?
>  
> If any of y’all have used it for a 

RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

Hello there, Sieghard,

I have a Braille Sense U2 Mini, so I would have to find the correct commands 
for that.

As for that app Home, it is totally useless to me, and I have no need for it.  
So I would have kicked that goofy (smile) app out for good.

The only thing I abhor about Apple is that they tend to put many apps on all 
products that are often useless and cannot be deleted completely due to them 
being native apps.  That really sucks!  Yes, these folks at Apple Inc. are 
missing something in a large way.

Not just Apple but other companies do the same.  I just do not understand how 
these folks act like this.  they like to show off by saying there are apps you 
need but the opposite is true.

It is just a real goof on them!

Thank you, Sieghard, for the information concerning the Home app.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi Todd,

Apple has come up with a standard for home automation devices. These are things 
like connected thermostats, lights like the Philipps Hue, door locks, automated 
sprinkler control systems, cameras, devices to open and close curtains or 
blinds and so on. If you have any such devices and they support Apple's Home 
Kit standard they will appear in the Home app.

I don't have a braille display, but maybe you know what commands to use if I 
tell you how I delete apps and if you have ever moved apps you are half way 
there. First, if I swipe up or down on any app on any home screen, Voiceover 
says "Arrange Apps". At that point you can swipe up  or down again with one 
finger and this will go back and forth between "Activate Item" or "Move" 
followed by the name of the app.  If you then double tap on "Activate Item" you 
will be asked if you want to delete the app and you can confirm and it will be 
deleted.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Chris,

You mean that app is more for managing your personal doings?

It is still on my iPhone now.  How do one remove that Home app?  Remember I am 
deafblind so I am a strong Braille user.

Thank you.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:30 AM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi

The "home" app is the hub for managing homekit devices. I simply removed it in 
the very first, and I mean very first, non-public, beta of iOS 10, as I have no 
homekit devices and was simply not interested.


> On 18 Nov 2016, at 04:09, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> To all:
>  
> Many of you may know this, but wonder if any of y’all know exactly what the 
> Home app that was appended to iOS 10.1.1 is for?  Exactly what does Home do?
>  
> If any of y’all have used it for a time, share some of your experiences with 
> it.
>  
> Todd
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RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

Chris,

You mean that app is more for managing your personal doings?

It is still on my iPhone now.  How do one remove that Home app?  Remember I am 
deafblind so I am a strong Braille user.

Thank you.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:30 AM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi

The "home" app is the hub for managing homekit devices. I simply removed it in 
the very first, and I mean very first, non-public, beta of iOS 10, as I have no 
homekit devices and was simply not interested.


> On 18 Nov 2016, at 04:09, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> To all:
>  
> Many of you may know this, but wonder if any of y’all know exactly what the 
> Home app that was appended to iOS 10.1.1 is for?  Exactly what does Home do?
>  
> If any of y’all have used it for a time, share some of your experiences with 
> it.
>  
> Todd
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Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

To all:

 

Many of you may know this, but wonder if any of y'all know exactly what the
Home app that was appended to iOS 10.1.1 is for?  Exactly what does Home do?

 

If any of y'all have used it for a time, share some of your experiences with
it.

 

Todd

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RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

[Todd Patkus]

Shaf,

Would you please quit harassing Eden?  I implore you quit for all!

If you, Shaf, continue acting this way, you could be rightfully removed by your 
moderators.  That is it.

I will say no more, and let them deal with you, Shaf.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shaf Patel
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing topic how to stop harassment

Pay your debts, stop stealing from individuals, stop lying and make amends with 
the people who's trust you violated. But you'd rather spend that money on weed 
instead of paying people back for the items you purchased on payment plans.

On 11/17/2016 3:14 PM, Eden wrote:
> How do I contact admin? This harassment has gone on for 4 years. I 
> have invited Mr. Patel to file a lawsuit against me if he thinks I owe 
> him money which I do not, but instead he has for 4 years attempted to 
> harass me in public forums, attempted !be other person to obtain more 
> personal info and the like. He has mad to being on any blind groups a 
> nightmare. I am certainly hoping that the rest of this list might 
> stand up with me and ask for this to stop. I asked a prior list admin 
> to please ask Mr. Patel to stop tha that least publicly, but I was 
> told this was a personal matter. I can ignore his personal attacks, 
> delete is wonderful for that, but when he does this publicly, it 
> impedes my abiltion to ask questions or my desire to answer others. 
> Thank you Eden Kizer
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:59 am
> Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me
> 
>>
>>
>> I just asked this, off list;  too soon to have had a reply yet though.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:41 AM
>> Subject: RE: how can I tell my drivers where to find me
>>
>>
>> What does that mean? What do debts have to do with Lift or Uber?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Shaf Patel
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me
>>
>> Pay off your debts.
>>
>> On 11/16/2016 6:42 PM, Eden wrote:
>>> Where I'm being picked up at is going to be a little tricky. I had put in a 
>>> schedule with Lyft which I have never used before. 
>>> Where would I go to let the driver know how to find me etc. All 
>>> that's in front of my apartments is a parking lot and astreet. I'd 
>>> like to make sure they pull into the parking lot. I thought there 
>>> might be a place to put such info since it's my house but I can't 
>>> see it you. for either Uber or Lyft. Than
>>>
>>
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RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

[Todd Patkus]

Dominique,

I, although not a moderator, can tell you there will be good times and bad 
times.  That is normal.  You do not have to unsubscribe to this list.  Patience 
is a virtue says an old saying, be a little bit patient.  If the members do not 
behave properly, the moderators will take action towards those who continue.

I have seen so many issues like this.  Rich is correct to what he said.

I will let Cara and Mark do the work.

Thanks.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dominique Farrell
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

I subscribed to this list recently, and was under the impression that it was 
for discussing iPhone related topics, and that's what I wanted to join an 
iPhone list for, but this thread has absolutely nothing at all to do with 
iPhones and should be discontinued as members are slandering and being abusive 
to others, and other members, like me, don't need this, and because of this, I 
am really considering unsubscribing from this list.  I wanted to join a happy 
list to discuss all things iPhone related, but sadly, this list is not 
fulfilling this for me at the moment.

I e-mailed Cara last night and have heard nothing at all from her.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 17 November 2016 4:44 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

The footer should be  updated because while Mark Taylor is listed as moderator, 
his email address is not given and I haven't seen anything from Cara in a very 
long time, Mark is definitely the man when it comes to group business.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

Eden,
At the end of every message you will find the list owner's contact info.
Please, ignore the public stuff from the person you are having issues with and 
just write the list owner and moderator.
Here is what is at the end of each message.
 > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
 > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please

 > contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list 
 > itself.

 >

 > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - 
 > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com


  >

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eden
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: changing topic how to stop harassment

How do I contact admin? This harassment has gone on for 4 years. I have 
invited Mr. Patel to file a lawsuit against me if he thinks I owe him money 
which I do not, but instead he has for 4 years attempted to harass me in 
public forums, attempted !be other person to obtain more personal info and the 
like. He has mad to being on any blind groups a nightmare. I am certainly 
hoping that the rest of this list might stand up with me and ask for this to 
stop. I asked a prior list admin to please ask Mr. Patel to stop tha that 
least publicly, but I was told this was a personal matter. I can ignore his 
personal attacks, delete is wonderful for that, but when he does this 
publicly, it impedes my abiltion to ask questions or my desire to answer 
others. Thank you Eden Kizer

- Original Message -
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:59 am
Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me

>
>
> I just asked this, off list;  too soon to have had a reply yet though.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:41 AM
> Subject: RE: how can I tell my drivers where to find me
>
>
> What does that mean? What do debts have to do with Lift or Uber?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Shaf Patel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me
>
> Pay off your debts.
>
> On 11/16/2016 6:42 PM, Eden wrote:
> > Where I'm being picked up at is going to be a little tricky. I had put in 
> > a schedule with Lyft which I have never used before.
> > Where would I go to let the driver know how to find me etc. All
> > that's in front of my apartments is a parking lot and astreet. I'd
> > like to make sure they pull into the parking lot. I thought there
> > might be a place to put such info since it's my house but I can't
> > 

RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

[Todd Patkus]

Shaf,

What Rich said stands truthful.

Your behavior is being monitored by the NSA.  You need to behave a better 
person, or else, you could be removed from this list.

You have only two choices:

Show good behavior and you will stay.

Continue behaving immaturely, you are out.

Yes, it is up to Mark and Cara.

Think twice.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing topic how to stop harassment

I apologize to all of you.

shaf, mind your own business. let eden be the way and let her take good air and 
enjoy life. let's move on.

shaf, do you realize that your words is public and there would be security 
looking at you.

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

Shaf,

Even if Eden did what you said, it's your word against hers, that really is not 
something you should bother this or other groups with. If I were the moderator 
which fortunately for you I am not, you'd already be gone from this list. As 
Eden said, if you have a legit claim against her then pursue it in the normal 
and legal ways, but either way just quit it already on this list, please.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shaf Patel
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing topic how to stop harassment

Pay your debts, stop stealing from individuals, stop lying and make amends with 
the people who's trust you violated. But you'd rather spend that money on weed 
instead of paying people back for the items you purchased on payment plans.

On 11/17/2016 3:14 PM, Eden wrote:
> How do I contact admin? This harassment has gone on for 4 years. I 
> have invited Mr. Patel to file a lawsuit against me if he thinks I owe 
> him money which I do not, but instead he has for 4 years attempted to 
> harass me in public forums, attempted !be other person to obtain more 
> personal info and the like. He has mad to being on any blind groups a 
> nightmare. I am certainly hoping that the rest of this list might 
> stand up with me and ask for this to stop. I asked a prior list admin 
> to please ask Mr. Patel to stop tha that least publicly, but I was 
> told this was a personal matter. I can ignore his personal attacks, 
> delete is wonderful for that, but when he does this publicly, it 
> impedes my abiltion to ask questions or my desire to answer others.
> Thank you Eden Kizer
>
> - Original Message -
> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:59 am
> Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me
>
>>
>>
>> I just asked this, off list;  too soon to have had a reply yet though.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:41 AM
>> Subject: RE: how can I tell my drivers where to find me
>>
>>
>> What does that mean? What do debts have to do with Lift or Uber?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Shaf Patel
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me
>>
>> Pay off your debts.
>>
>> On 11/16/2016 6:42 PM, Eden wrote:
>>> Where I'm being picked up at is going to be a little tricky. I had 
>>> put in a schedule with Lyft which I have never used before.
>>> Where would I go to let the driver know how to find me etc. All 
>>> that's in front of my apartments is a parking lot and astreet. I'd 
>>> like to make sure they pull into the parking lot. I thought there 
>>> might be a place to put such info since it's my house but I can't 
>>> see it you. for either Uber or Lyft. Than
>>>
>>
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RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

[Todd Patkus]

Rich,

Same happens with JAWS sometimes.  A few years back, there was an error found 
in JAWS that needed a fix.

When a letter y was announced, it said "Yankees"!  LOL

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing topic how to stop harassment

rob,

hope yo realize siri goofs up, wink! here is the note:

Bare with it,

make sure if you realize this typo error. smile1 wink1

sincerely,
rich

-Original Message-
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing topic how to stop harassment

Bare with it,  one can ignore a topic once bored with it.  I will very soon for 
sure.  The topic will get banned, eventually.

Best, Rh.
- Original Message -
From: "Dominique Farrell" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment


I subscribed to this list recently, and was under the impression that it was
for discussing iPhone related topics, and that's what I wanted to join an
iPhone list for, but this thread has absolutely nothing at all to do with
iPhones and should be discontinued as members are slandering and being 
abusive
to others, and other members, like me, don't need this, and because of this, 
I
am really considering unsubscribing from this list.  I wanted to join a 
happy
list to discuss all things iPhone related, but sadly, this list is not
fulfilling this for me at the moment.

I e-mailed Cara last night and have heard nothing at all from her.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 17 November 2016 4:44 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

The footer should be  updated because while Mark Taylor is listed as
moderator, his email address is not given and I haven't seen anything from
Cara in a very long time, Mark is definitely the man when it comes to group
business.

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Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:21 AM
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Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

Eden,
At the end of every message you will find the list owner's contact info.
Please, ignore the public stuff from the person you are having issues with 
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Eden
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:15 AM
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How do I contact admin? This harassment has gone on for 4 years. I have
invited Mr. Patel to file a lawsuit against me if he thinks I owe him money
which I do not, but instead he has for 4 years attempted to harass me in
public forums, attempted !be other person to obtain more personal info and 
the
like. He has mad to being on any blind groups a nightmare. I am certainly
hoping that the rest of this list might stand up with me and ask for this to
stop. I asked a prior list admin to please ask Mr. Patel to stop tha that
least publicly, but I was told this was a personal matter. I can ignore his
personal attacks, delete is wonderful for that, but when he does this
publicly, it impedes my abiltion to ask questions or my desire to answer
others. Thank you Eden Kizer

- Original Message -
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:59 am
Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me

>
>
> I just asked this, off list;  too soon to have had a reply yet though.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:41 AM
> Subject: RE: how can I tell my drivers where to find me
>
>
> What does that mean? What do debts have to do with Lift or Uber?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Shaf Patel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me
>
> Pay off your debts.
>
> On 11/16/2016 6:42 PM, Eden wrote:
> > Where I'm being picked up at is going to be a little 

RE: Todd, here is the link for you

[Todd Patkus]

Sandy,

No change.  Same as before.  Nothing better.

Maybe someone on this list may know how to solve the issue.

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From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Todd, here is the link for you

Tod,

Yes! Press the sleep/wake button on the right of the phone, holding it down 
for a few seconds. Hopefully, your braille display will say "swipe to turn 
off", doubletap on that, in which ever way you do that. Leave your phone for a 
minute, just to clear its memory of unnecessary stuff and then press the 
sleep/wake button again, holding it in for about 3 seconds and wait! It might 
take your phone a little while to sort itself out, it is a sort of reboot. 
after a while, you whould see another message on your braille display. With my 
phone, I find myself on the last app used or the home screen.

Hope this helps, Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 16 Nov 2016, at 12:38, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You mean I turn it off with the sleep/wak up button on the right side?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Todd, here is the link for you
> 
> perhaps, you should power cycle your phone? I mean turn it off properly leave 
> it a minute and then turn it on again.
> Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 16 Nov 2016, at 12:25, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sandy and Hope,
>> 
>> I was able to download the Camfind app onto my iPhone, but it will not open. 
>>  I did insert my Gmail address then my passcode, it will not log in!
>> 
>> Why?
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:23 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Todd, here is the link for you
>> 
>> CamFind - Visual Search, QR Reader, Price Comparison & Barcode Scanner by 
>> CamFind Inc.
>> https://appsto.re/ie/0ebHJ.i
>> 
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RE: Todd, here is the link for you

[Todd Patkus]

You mean I turn it off with the sleep/wak up button on the right side?

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From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Todd, here is the link for you

perhaps, you should power cycle your phone? I mean turn it off properly leave 
it a minute and then turn it on again.
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 16 Nov 2016, at 12:25, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sandy and Hope,
> 
> I was able to download the Camfind app onto my iPhone, but it will not open.  
> I did insert my Gmail address then my passcode, it will not log in!
> 
> Why?
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Todd, here is the link for you
> 
> CamFind - Visual Search, QR Reader, Price Comparison & Barcode Scanner by 
> CamFind Inc.
> https://appsto.re/ie/0ebHJ.i
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RE: Todd, here is the link for you

[Todd Patkus]

Sandy and Hope,

I was able to download the Camfind app onto my iPhone, but it will not open.  I 
did insert my Gmail address then my passcode, it will not log in!

Why?

Todd

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Subject: Todd, here is the link for you

CamFind - Visual Search, QR Reader, Price Comparison & Barcode Scanner by 
CamFind Inc.
https://appsto.re/ie/0ebHJ.i


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Just FYI

[Todd Patkus]

All:

 

As for CamFind Sandy mentioned, there is absolutely no such app by that name
in either iTunes and Apple store!

 

Both links show 0 results!

 

Thanks,

 

Todd

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RE: color id app

[Todd Patkus]

Sandy,

 

Is Camfind accessible for Braille users?

 

Todd

 

From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 4:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: color id app

 

rich,
Try camfind. It is a free app so you have nothing to lose. It is really to 
recognise products, but it works very well as a colour recogniser too!
Good luck, Sandy


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On 16 Nov 2016, at 01:36, Paul Richard McGann  > wrote:

dear sir, 

 

I am brialle user. okay!

 

I did test say color and color id appa as there is osmthing. 

 

close friend said that she listened to voice and said that since my shirt has 
multi-colors. so say color and color id only pick one color instead of saying 
plaid or something like this. I tried few times again on my shirt and few times 
they change different colors. 

 

have you notice anything like this? do they change colors if you move iphone 
around. 

 

sincerely, 

rich 

 

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RE: How to text to two or more folks

[Todd Patkus]

Lois,

 

I am profoundly deaf!  Rich will tell you.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lois Butterfield
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to text to two or more folks

 

You can also tell Siri to send a message to John Smith, Bob, and Jane Jones.  
Just make sure to add a last name to any multiple names you have in your 
contacts.  It works great.

 

Take care,

Lois

 

From: Woody Anna Dresner <mailto:wadres...@att.net>  

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 11:15 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: How to text to two or more folks

 

Hi Todd,

 

Type in the first few characters of the first person's name. If the person is 
in your contacts, you'll find options such as their mobile number or email 
address. Double-tap the one you want. If the person isn't in your contacts, 
type their email address or phone number.

 

Then do the same thing again; start typing the next person's name, and select 
them from the list. You can add as many people as you want in this way.

 

Best, 

Anna

 

On Nov 15, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

All:

 

With iOS 10.1.1, how does one text (iMessage) two or three or even more at a 
time similar to a mass-mail or a group-mail in Outlook?

 

Thank y’all.

 

Todd

 

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RE: How to text to two or more folks

[Todd Patkus]

Anna,

 

If this is done as described, does it mean the receivers would still see email 
addresses/mobile numbers just as you do in Outlook by inserting a common right 
after the last character then a new email address in the To: field?  Or you do 
not see anyone, just the sender’s address alone?

 

Todd

 

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Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to text to two or more folks

 

Hi Todd,

 

Type in the first few characters of the first person's name. If the person is 
in your contacts, you'll find options such as their mobile number or email 
address. Double-tap the one you want. If the person isn't in your contacts, 
type their email address or phone number.

 

Then do the same thing again; start typing the next person's name, and select 
them from the list. You can add as many people as you want in this way.

 

Best,

Anna

 

On Nov 15, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

All:

 

With iOS 10.1.1, how does one text (iMessage) two or three or even more at a 
time similar to a mass-mail or a group-mail in Outlook?

 

Thank y’all.

 

Todd

 

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How to text to two or more folks

[Todd Patkus]

All:

 

With iOS 10.1.1, how does one text (iMessage) two or three or even more at a
time similar to a mass-mail or a group-mail in Outlook?

 

Thank y'all.

 

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RE: color id app

[Todd Patkus]

Rich,

 

I noticed the same thing as you said below months ago after downloading that 
Color ID app.  I can tell by the way it behaves, not from VO, but from what the 
Braille Sense U2 Mini Braille display said in Braille.

 

If you or I moved the iPhone a little bit, it will make the camera see 
something where the color is still the same but makes the camera think 
differently.

 

I have not used the app for a long time now.  It needs some improvements.

 

My U2 Mini is muted so Braille is the only means.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: color id app

 

dear sir, 

 

I am brialle user. okay!

 

I did test say color and color id appa as there is osmthing. 

 

close friend said that she listened to voice and said that since my shirt has 
multi-colors. so say color and color id only pick one color instead of saying 
plaid or something like this. I tried few times again on my shirt and few times 
they change different colors. 

 

have you notice anything like this? do they change colors if you move iphone 
around. 

 

sincerely, 

rich 

 

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Focus automatic in camera

[Todd Patkus]

For those who have experienced taking photos using the iPhone's camera, how
do I make the camera before taking a photo made to automatically focus on an
object when facing the camera in front of it?

 

What does it mean when it says Focus unlocked image?

 

That is concerning iPhone 6S iOS 10.1.1.

 

Please let me know.

 

Thank you.

 

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RE: Bookshare Funding

[Todd Patkus]

Billy,

 

First, my name is spelled T o d d (double d).  Tod (T o d) means death in 
German.

 

No need to explain.  I did understand Sieghard’s statement, but I simply 
dismissed it.  That is why you thought I did not.  Not true.  I am not being 
rude.  Many deafblind folks are like this.  They can be blunt sometimes.  Same 
with deaf folks.

 

Just press onward.

 

Thank you.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Billy Maynard
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bookshare Funding

 

hi tod,

 

I just wanted to point something out tht Seghard tried to point out ot you 
earlier.  When someone in another thread asked about  something and you told 
them to goto amazon or google.  I forget but, it wasn't helpful.  Richard gave 
you the information you asked for.  when if he did like you did he would have 
told youto goto google or wikipidia and look it up yourself this is helpful and 
you might remember this example the next time you want to be rood like Sieghard 
tried to get you torealise and yet you dismissed him.   

 

Billy Maynard

P.s. Forgive any miss-spelled names, I'm trying to point out helpful and not 
helpful to tod and this seemed like a great pointed example of how he should 
have responded insted of being not so.  

- Original Message - 

From: Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:25 PM

Subject: RE: Bookshare Funding

 

Richard,

 

Who founded Bookshare?  Who owns Bookshare?

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:06 PM
To: 'ViPone list' <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Bookshare Funding

 

Greetings,

I ran across this on another list.

Please, if you live in the United States, contact your Senators and 
Representatives.

The below comes from the Dyslexic Advantage web site.  

 

We Need to Save Bookshare!

 

The issue: The House of Representatives proposed eliminating funding for 
Bookshare in the FY2017  Labor-H appropriations bill passed in July. The 
Technology and Media budget line that includes Bookshare and other national 
special education programs was drastically cut from $30 million to $16 million. 
 

 

The background: Senate bill passed at $30 million; level funding from FY2016. 
Both the House and Senate bills include language acknowledging Bookshare’s 
great work. 

 

What happened? The House funded only continuation awards.  However, Bookshare’s 
funding must be renewed in the coming fiscal year. As a result, the House 
proposal effectively places Bookshare on the chopping block.  

 

This is a major threat to one of the nation’s most effective and efficient 
special educational programs. We need the House to restore this cut so that 
Bookshare can continue to serve children with disabilities and ensure that 
children in the most underserved communities have access. 

 

What is Bookshare, and why is it so important? Benetech’s Bookshare project 
provides free access to an online library of accessible texts for all U.S.  
students with a qualified print disability such as a vision impairment or 
dyslexia.  

 

Bookshare currently has 400,000+ members and nearly 450,000+ titles—members 
have downloaded over 10 million books.  Under IDEA, schools are required to 
provide students with these disabilities accessible versions of the books they 
need for school: braille, large print, and audio versions of their books.  
National programs like Bookshare take up less than 5% of the formula grant 
funding that goes to states and local school districts. Paying for these 
services in each local district, would cost them far more. 

Bookshare is more than 15 times less expensive per book delivered than the 
prior national program operator: that means we solve the majority of the 
problem with much less money than was spent annually more than a decade ago. 

 

Without Bookshare, school districts, parents and students will have to revert 
back to scanning their own books—a costly process that impedes students from 
accessing books they need. 

 

“Words cannot begin to describe the difference that Bookshare has made in our 
son’s life. Now, we cannot pull him away from it as he spends every spare 
moment reading one to two books per week! The constant reading has dramatically 
improved his writing and vocabulary which in turn has increased his grades 
significantly to all A's and B's. He now has an inspired desire to learn.” 
Bookshare Parent 

 

Our Ask to Your Office 

Restore Technology and Media FY17 budget line to $30M; level funding from 
FY2016!

 

from: www.dyslexicadvantage.org <http://www.dyslexicadvantage.org> 

 

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Vehicle locator GPS app

[Todd Patkus]

All:

 

I am aware of the device used to track all routes that records all the
routes one goes then later view the recorded data from the travel.

 

Maps app is OK but need a more of an app that will tell me where I am while
the car is moving on the road.

 

Know anything like this?

 

Thank y'all.

 

Todd

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RE: Bookshare Funding

[Todd Patkus]

Richard,

 

Who founded Bookshare?  Who owns Bookshare?

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:06 PM
To: 'ViPone list' 
Subject: Bookshare Funding

 

Greetings,

I ran across this on another list.

Please, if you live in the United States, contact your Senators and 
Representatives.

The below comes from the Dyslexic Advantage web site.  

 

We Need to Save Bookshare!

 

The issue: The House of Representatives proposed eliminating funding for 
Bookshare in the FY2017  Labor-H appropriations bill passed in July. The 
Technology and Media budget line that includes Bookshare and other national 
special education programs was drastically cut from $30 million to $16 million. 
 

 

The background: Senate bill passed at $30 million; level funding from FY2016. 
Both the House and Senate bills include language acknowledging Bookshare’s 
great work. 

 

What happened? The House funded only continuation awards.  However, Bookshare’s 
funding must be renewed in the coming fiscal year. As a result, the House 
proposal effectively places Bookshare on the chopping block.  

 

This is a major threat to one of the nation’s most effective and efficient 
special educational programs. We need the House to restore this cut so that 
Bookshare can continue to serve children with disabilities and ensure that 
children in the most underserved communities have access. 

 

What is Bookshare, and why is it so important? Benetech’s Bookshare project 
provides free access to an online library of accessible texts for all U.S.  
students with a qualified print disability such as a vision impairment or 
dyslexia.  

 

Bookshare currently has 400,000+ members and nearly 450,000+ titles—members 
have downloaded over 10 million books.  Under IDEA, schools are required to 
provide students with these disabilities accessible versions of the books they 
need for school: braille, large print, and audio versions of their books.  
National programs like Bookshare take up less than 5% of the formula grant 
funding that goes to states and local school districts. Paying for these 
services in each local district, would cost them far more. 

Bookshare is more than 15 times less expensive per book delivered than the 
prior national program operator: that means we solve the majority of the 
problem with much less money than was spent annually more than a decade ago. 

 

Without Bookshare, school districts, parents and students will have to revert 
back to scanning their own books—a costly process that impedes students from 
accessing books they need. 

 

“Words cannot begin to describe the difference that Bookshare has made in our 
son’s life. Now, we cannot pull him away from it as he spends every spare 
moment reading one to two books per week! The constant reading has dramatically 
improved his writing and vocabulary which in turn has increased his grades 
significantly to all A's and B's. He now has an inspired desire to learn.” 
Bookshare Parent 

 

Our Ask to Your Office 

Restore Technology and Media FY17 budget line to $30M; level funding from 
FY2016!

 

from: www.dyslexicadvantage.org  

 

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RE: battery draining need to reboot

[Todd Patkus]

Donna,

You should report this to Apple Accessibility.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: battery draining need to reboot

My battery draining problem started after I installed IOS 10. IOS 9 my battery 
was fine. 

Donna
> 
> Also I wonder for those who are having these battery-draining issues, before 
> the iOS10, for those who've had your phones while iOS9 was around, did you 
> have these same same battery-draining issues, or did they arise since the 
> update to iOS10?
> 
> El 11/11/2016 02:22 p.m., Sieghard Weitzel escribió:
>> For those couple of people who have these battery issues I would highly 
>> recommend to go to an Apple Store and get them to check the phone, this does 
>> not sound right and there are no reports of this being a major problem.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 11:48 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: battery draining need to reboot
>> 
>> 
>>   What iPhone model are we talking about? I've got a 5S and I'm kind of 
>> hessitant to update to the latest iOS (it's on iOS 9.3.5 with which it came 
>> from factory) and also does this battery drain problem talked about on this 
>> thread, is it general on all iOS devices from what you've guys have seen? 
>> Will Apple hopefully issue it for iOS 10.2? because if yes, I'll update as 
>> soon as iOS 10.2 comes out!
>> 
>> El 11/11/2016 09:25 a.m., 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone escribió:
>>> ann,
>>> Was this using iTunes?
>>> Thanks, Sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
 On 11 Nov 2016, at 15:00, Donna   wrote:
 
 Anne, yes I did a full restore from factory settings. It didn't solve my 
 problem of the battery draining extremely fast!
 
 Donna
> Hello Donna,
> 
> When you did a complete restore, was that a restore to factory settings 
> followed by reinstalling all your apps? That’s what I had to do to stop 
> the battery drain.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 Nov 2016, at 14:34, Donna   wrote:
>> 
>> Man oh man! I'm having dramatic battery draining since the latest 
>> update!! I've backed up my iPhone 6 twice&   done a complete restore 
>> with no resolution. My phone will appear to be completely dead when the 
>> battery is 40-50% full. I've done a hard reset many many times. I've 
>> turned off the phone&   left it off for up to 15 minutes. I have 
>> everything in Location services set to never except find my iPhone. I'm 
>> out of ideas!
>> 
>> Hope you have success in resolving this problem.
>> 
>> Donna
>>> hi, my iPhone 6, after the latest update, is draining rather too fast! 
>>> I have made and in cryptic back up on my partners computer, windows, 
>>> and I'm now thinking to do a full reset. so, do I do it on the phone 
>>> which is called eraise iPhone, or do I do it through iTunes? then, can 
>>> I reinstall all my apps and data via that encrypt it back up?
>>> 
>>> thanks in advance, fingers crossed, Sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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RE: Outlook App issue, I think

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

With this particular issue, I never bother such so I stay out.

 

Yes to http and https differing each other.

 

Years back, the US federal government took strong action by taking about 100 or 
so websites, meaning shutting them all down for good.  Many were scammers and 
also “fake” sites to try to collect money, but they were caught off and 
eradicated!

 

If I see something like this, I stay away from it.

 

Better safe than sorry!

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Outlook App issue, I think

 

Hi Richard,

 

While I agree this looks suspicious, in this case it is a legitimate message. 
There are actually no links in that message asking to click somewhere to go to 
your Outlook.com account and sign in and when I Googled this I easily found the 
below Microsoft support article which clearly comes from a secure (https) 
Microsoft site:

 

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Reconnect-Outlook-2016-or-Outlook-2013-to-Outlook-com-to-fix-issues-after-Outlook-com-upgrade-cda1751d-9503-40bf-bf76-e79454ac5eb3

 

This describes the same thing just in a bit more detail. I believe it was 
actually Terri who last week posted something about some emails not showing up 
in her Outlook 2016 application which are there online and that is one symptom 
described in the article so I think if you do get this message following the 
steps outlined is something that is definitely a good idea to do.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Outlook App issue, I think

 

I didn't read all of your message, but if you didn't say this, I want to make 
sure everyone knows that message supposedly from Microsoft is a phishing scam. 
If you followed their directions, you need to go and change your Outlook 
password before you have allowed someone to access your account.

That message is not from Microsoft. Look at the address:

outl...@email2.office.com  

and that is not a real Microsoft address.

Richard

 

 

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


On Nov 10, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:

Hi Terri,

If you were able to sign in online then maybe you somehow type the password 
incorrectly on your iPhone?
Also, did you get an email with the following subject:
Action Required: Re-connect Outlook 2016/2013 to Outlook.com 
  after upgrade
The message that follows starts like this (I did not list all of the message, 
if you haven't received it yet you don't have to worry about it anyways):
Earlier this year we introduced the new Outlook.com  , 
which helps you focus on what matters, collaborate effortlessly, and get more 
done.
As part of the Outlook.com   upgrade, we have moved your 
account to a more secure and reliable infrastructure.
Now that your Outlook.com   account has been upgraded, 
you’ll need to re-connect Outlook 2016 or Outlook 2013 to your Outlook.com 
  account to ensure the best experience.
If you do not re-connect to your upgraded Outlook.com   
account, you may experience email or calendar sync issues, unintended 
recipients getting added when replying to emails, or other issues listed  here.

Now, this only talks about reconnecting to Outlook.com   
from Outlook 2013 or Outlook 2016, it does not mention the Outlook app for 
iPhone or Android. However, to be on the safe side, I am also going to delete 
my Outlook account on my iPhone and set it up again just to be sure it all 
works correctly. For the PC they mention two methods, one of them also is to 
delete the account and set it up again, to me this sounds easier than the other 
method and I'll do that.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terri Stimmel
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Outlook App issue, I think

Hello everyone,


I have an issue. I think it is with the Outlook app, but I can't be sure. 
Although, I wouldn't know where else the problem could be.


About an hour ago, I started having problems receiving mail on my phone, 
or at least, reviewing it. I know it's still coming in.


But every time I go to the Outlook app, I am asked to sign in, because 
there has been a problem with my account. So I try to do this, and I am 
told the password is incorrect. But I know without a doubt that it's not.


Mail works fine on my 

RE: Pedometer

[Todd Patkus]

Ed,

 

iPhone 6S is what I have.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pedometer

 

Hi Todd,

What kind of device are you using. iPhone or IPad? You might have to change 
your search to iPhone.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Pedometer

 

Rich,

 

I did type “pedometer++” in Search while in app store, yes, and it showed 
nothing like this.

 

Rich, how did you do that?  You pressed on the search tab to make it become 
search then typed “pedometer” by itself?

 

Thank you, Mr. McGann!  Smile

 

Todd

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Pedometer

 

to all, 

 

sorry, todd, I suggest to have your eyes checked.

 

when I was at app store, I hit search,  and I typed pedometer and entered. I 
went through and I found pedometer++ as it is free app. mr. ed, yes, I confirm 
I see it. I believe others would say yes they see it after typing pedometer. oh 
well!

 

sincerely, 

rich

 

 

From: Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:24 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Pedometer

 

All:

 

There is no Pedometer++ anywhere in the app store app.

 

Only Pedometer by itself.  It comes in a few different formats:

 

Step counter, calorie, Pacer, but no Pedometer++.

 

It says it is free for iPhone and Apple.

 

That is all.

 

Todd

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RE: Pedometer

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

No comment at all.  I am not insulting/offending anyone.  It is yours and 
theirs, not me,.  I do not need to “argue”.  Y’all need to understand the 
deafblind cutlure!  Rich understands this.

 

Sieghar, from now on, simply refrain from what you have done here.

 

Thanks.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pedometer

 

Hi Todd,

 

This email is intended as a friendly email not as an insult even though I know 
you’ll probably take it as the latter.

 

I suggest you consider how you reply to emails which are direct replies to 
something you posted and are intended to help you. You posted you couldn’t find 
“Pedometer ++”. I noticed you put a space between “Pedometer” and “++” and 
simply pointed this out saying that if you search for “Pedometer++” without a 
space you find it easily. You then reply with “Let this go” which sounds as if 
I had sent you 10 emails pointing this out and just wouldn’t stop harassing 
you. If you continue to do this you will soon get no replies from people as 
nobody feels like being put down when they are trying to help. Also, replies 
like “Search on Amazon and you’ll find this” or whatever the wording was you 
sent as a reply to Vicky’s question about suggestions for good wall chargers 
does not help, I’m sure Vicky knows how to search Amazon, but if somebody asks 
for recommendations then replies should contain the name of the product under 
discussion and what you find good or not good about it. Replying with “Look on 
Amazon” or why don’t you Google this are just adding to the number of useless 
posts on the list. We are all here to help each other and sometimes people here 
ask simple questions which many of us know, sometimes a member may just not be 
good at searching on Google or Amazon and all they want is a bit of extra help 
from those of us who are good at it and there is nothing wrong with it, in 
fact, what is wrong with it is if they get replies like “You can find it on 
Amazon”. Why not say “Here is what I searched for on Amazon (or Google) and 
below is a link”, this way maybe the person actually learned something from 
your reply and is more encouraged to try to search next time.

I know that I will probably get a bad reply from you to this email, but I think 
if you want to be a productive and valued member in this group you need to 
relax and follow the rules. If you aren’t sure what they are maybe Mark or Cara 
can repost some of the guidelines which have been posted here from time to time.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 12:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Pedometer

 

Sieghard,

 

I saw some of them.  At first, I simply copied Mr. Ed’s then pasted it in App 
Store.  That is all.  No big deal!

 

Let this go.

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Pedometer

 

Todd,

 

>From what you write in your message you put a space between Pedometer and the 
>++, there should not be a spacebut I guess by now this doesn’t matter since 
>several people have posted the direct link to the app.

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Pedometer

 

Rich,

 

I did type “pedometer++” in Search while in app store, yes, and it showed 
nothing like this.

 

Rich, how did you do that?  You pressed on the search tab to make it become 
search then typed “pedometer” by itself?

 

Thank you, Mr. McGann!  Smile

 

Todd

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Pedometer

 

to all, 

 

sorry, todd, I suggest to have your eyes checked.

 

when I was at app store, I hit search,  and I typed pedometer and entered. I 
went through and I found pedometer++ as it is free app. mr. ed, yes, I confirm 
I see it. I believe others would say yes they see it after typing pedometer. oh 
well!

 

sincerely, 

rich

 

 

From: Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:24 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Pedometer

 

All:

 

There is no Pedometer++ a

RE: Pedometer

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

I saw some of them.  At first, I simply copied Mr. Ed’s then pasted it in App 
Store.  That is all.  No big deal!

 

Let this go.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pedometer

 

Todd,

 

>From what you write in your message you put a space between Pedometer and the 
>++, there should not be a spacebut I guess by now this doesn’t matter since 
>several people have posted the direct link to the app.

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Pedometer

 

Rich,

 

I did type “pedometer++” in Search while in app store, yes, and it showed 
nothing like this.

 

Rich, how did you do that?  You pressed on the search tab to make it become 
search then typed “pedometer” by itself?

 

Thank you, Mr. McGann!  Smile

 

Todd

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Pedometer

 

to all, 

 

sorry, todd, I suggest to have your eyes checked.

 

when I was at app store, I hit search,  and I typed pedometer and entered. I 
went through and I found pedometer++ as it is free app. mr. ed, yes, I confirm 
I see it. I believe others would say yes they see it after typing pedometer. oh 
well!

 

sincerely, 

rich

 

 

From: Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:24 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Pedometer

 

All:

 

There is no Pedometer++ anywhere in the app store app.

 

Only Pedometer by itself.  It comes in a few different formats:

 

Step counter, calorie, Pacer, but no Pedometer++.

 

It says it is free for iPhone and Apple.

 

That is all.

 

Todd

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RE: looking for good wall charger

[Todd Patkus]

You can search that on Amazon.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 10:55 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: looking for good wall charger

 

I am looking for a wall adapter to charge my IPhone 5C. My cables are fine, I 
just need the wall adapter. I previously used the Anker Travel Adapter but it 
is not currently available on Amazon.

 

I have my regular Apple adapter, but I need a couple of others, so I was hoping 
someone could recommend a good one.

 

Thanks.

 

Vicki

 

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RE: Pedometer

[Todd Patkus]

Rich,

 

I did type “pedometer++” in Search while in app store, yes, and it showed 
nothing like this.

 

Rich, how did you do that?  You pressed on the search tab to make it become 
search then typed “pedometer” by itself?

 

Thank you, Mr. McGann!  Smile

 

Todd

 

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Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pedometer

 

to all, 

 

sorry, todd, I suggest to have your eyes checked.

 

when I was at app store, I hit search,  and I typed pedometer and entered. I 
went through and I found pedometer++ as it is free app. mr. ed, yes, I confirm 
I see it. I believe others would say yes they see it after typing pedometer. oh 
well!

 

sincerely, 

rich

 

 

From: Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:24 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Pedometer

 

All:

 

There is no Pedometer++ anywhere in the app store app.

 

Only Pedometer by itself.  It comes in a few different formats:

 

Step counter, calorie, Pacer, but no Pedometer++.

 

It says it is free for iPhone and Apple.

 

That is all.

 

Todd

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Pedometer

[Todd Patkus]

All:

 

There is no Pedometer++ anywhere in the app store app.

 

Only Pedometer by itself.  It comes in a few different formats:

 

Step counter, calorie, Pacer, but no Pedometer++.

 

It says it is free for iPhone and Apple.

 

That is all.

 

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Maps in 10.1.1

[Todd Patkus]

To all:

 

If you open Maps on your iPhone 6s or any version, you will see the phrase
below the weather, Card grabber full screen.

 

What is that for?

 

Todd

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RE: info on Pedometer++

[Todd Patkus]

Ed,

 

What is the exact name of that app so I can look for it?

 

Todd

 

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Mr. Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: info on Pedometer++

 

Hi Group,

I just want to tell everyone about the Pedometer++ app. This is a great little 
app that keep track of how far you walk. It is very accessible with VO. It is 
also free. So if you are looking for a simple app to use to keep tracked of 

how many steps you walk and how many miles. This app also keep track of every 
day and goes back quite a ways. So you can always go back and see what you did 
on that day. This is a great app to use. They also have great technical 
support. 

Ed

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RE: Auto switching of calls from earpiece to speakerphone

[Todd Patkus]

Cristóbal,

 

That is me, Todd, who said it to Sieghard.  smile



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 11:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Auto switching of calls from earpiece to speakerphone

 

I mean Seriously…? Who  is this guy?

 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Auto switching of calls from earpiece to speakerphone

 

Sieghard,

 

Good boy for kicking an email to Accessibility.  Smile

 

Be patient.  You should get a response from them soon.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Auto switching of calls from earpiece to speakerphone

 

Yes, just sent another message to accessibil...@apple.com 
<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>  about that again today, it’s been mentioned 
on the list before and I can only hope that everybody takes the minute or two 
it takes to shoot off a message to Apple about it since that one definitely 
seems to be a freely available bug on all devices.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ruby
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Auto switching of calls from earpiece to speakerphone

 

I wanted to mention too after I put the phone to my ear if you do it quick 
enough you hear incoming call, kind of strange since it is an out going call.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Auto switching of calls from earpiece to speakerphone

 

Hi List,

 

I am wondering if others experience this annoying issue where when you dial a 
call and it starts ringing in the earpiece you then place your phone against 
your ear and as soon as the other party answers the call decides to switch to 
speakerphone. You have to take the phone away from the ear, wait a second or 
two and then put it back up to your face before it usually switches back to the 
earpiece. Of course if you are in a public place this can be annoying since 
usually the other party can't hear you right away and keeps asking what's going 
on.

In my opinion this is not a hardware issue since this happened on my 6S Plus 
which was just replaced under warranty and the new phone has the exact same 
issue. This replacement phone was also set up as a new phone and was not 
restored from a backup.

I seem to remember that this started happening when I started to use Ios 10 and 
so far it continues to happen almost 100% of the time, from time to time I make 
a call and it does not happen. At the same time if I start a call and then put 
the phone to my face and take it away or put my hand over the top of the phone 
and then take it away to trigger the audio to go to speakerphone, the call 
usually reverts to the earpiece when somebody answers so the issues seems to go 
both ways.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Auto switching of calls from earpiece to speakerphone

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

Good boy for kicking an email to Accessibility.  Smile

 

Be patient.  You should get a response from them soon.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Auto switching of calls from earpiece to speakerphone

 

Yes, just sent another message to accessibil...@apple.com 
  about that again today, it’s been mentioned 
on the list before and I can only hope that everybody takes the minute or two 
it takes to shoot off a message to Apple about it since that one definitely 
seems to be a freely available bug on all devices.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ruby
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Auto switching of calls from earpiece to speakerphone

 

I wanted to mention too after I put the phone to my ear if you do it quick 
enough you hear incoming call, kind of strange since it is an out going call.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Auto switching of calls from earpiece to speakerphone

 

Hi List,

 

I am wondering if others experience this annoying issue where when you dial a 
call and it starts ringing in the earpiece you then place your phone against 
your ear and as soon as the other party answers the call decides to switch to 
speakerphone. You have to take the phone away from the ear, wait a second or 
two and then put it back up to your face before it usually switches back to the 
earpiece. Of course if you are in a public place this can be annoying since 
usually the other party can't hear you right away and keeps asking what's going 
on.

In my opinion this is not a hardware issue since this happened on my 6S Plus 
which was just replaced under warranty and the new phone has the exact same 
issue. This replacement phone was also set up as a new phone and was not 
restored from a backup.

I seem to remember that this started happening when I started to use Ios 10 and 
so far it continues to happen almost 100% of the time, from time to time I make 
a call and it does not happen. At the same time if I start a call and then put 
the phone to my face and take it away or put my hand over the top of the phone 
and then take it away to trigger the audio to go to speakerphone, the call 
usually reverts to the earpiece when somebody answers so the issues seems to go 
both ways.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: a media live reader

[Todd Patkus]

Gordon,

Just wanted to understand you correctly.  That is all.  Thanks.

Todd

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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:55 PM
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Subject: Re: a media live reader

 From the description, that's how it appears. I just didn't want to drop 
$30 on it without asking to see if anyone else had tried it.


On 11/8/2016 6:53 PM, Todd Patkus wrote:
> Gordon,
>
> Do you mean the Media Live Reader may be able to read text from a live video 
> the same way sighted folks see the text there in the video?
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: a media live reader
>
> It's supposed to use the camera to take live video and read text in real time.
>
>
> On 11/8/2016 6:47 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>> So, what does this app do?
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Gordon" <gor...@gordonradio.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 2:29 PM
>> Subject: a media live reader
>>
>>
>>> So I was looking at this app and saw that it costs $29. I'm wondering
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>>> podcast of audio description of this app in use?
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RE: a media live reader

[Todd Patkus]

Gordon,

Do you mean the Media Live Reader may be able to read text from a live video 
the same way sighted folks see the text there in the video?

Todd

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Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:48 PM
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Subject: Re: a media live reader

It's supposed to use the camera to take live video and read text in real time.


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> So, what does this app do?
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gordon" 
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> Subject: a media live reader
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>
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RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

It is you who said it, but it is not my opinion.  All I was doing is making a 
clear statement that public beta is simply useless.  I have no use for them, so 
I simply leave them out and press onward.

Not my opinion but simply a simple fact that beta is almost always a waste.  No 
thanks to these useless beta stuff!

Thanks.

Todd

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Hi Todd,

It's of course your choice and everybody's choice if they participate in public 
betas or apply to participate in private betas. I do strongly believe, however, 
that beta releases in general are a great opportunity not only to report bugs, 
but also to provide feedback on new features a developer has added or is 
looking to improve even if said features work just fine without bugs. Sonos is 
a good example. For those who don't know Sonos, they make a number of wireless 
music players you can deploy around your home to bring music (or other audio) 
to various rooms. The equipment is controlled with the Sonos app and Sonos has 
a very active private beta community and they release new versions of the app 
which include new features which need to be tested and many Sonos enthusiasts 
love doing this and giving them feedback on how well things work or what needs 
to be improved and also what other features should be added later. There are a 
lot of very capable people out there who as a group can greatly help developers 
because especially when it comes to Android devices, no developer can have all 
the devices that exist in order to test their app on said devices under certain 
conditions. Everybody else does benefit from the final release even if the 
final release still contains bugs and you may think betas are useless and a 
waste of time. Of course it is not for everybody to beta test and that's 
perfectly OK, but I have personally approached developers where I wanted to use 
and app and found it lacked accessibility and in many cases the developers were 
very willing to make improvements which I then beta tested and provided 
feedback.When the app was later released with much better accessibility it of 
course benefited me, but it also benefited all others who then enjoyed the app 
which I helped to make accessible and there are many on this list who have done 
the same with apps they found interesting and useful. The Netatmo Weather 
Station is one example, it was basically useless until I contacted the 
developer after I bought a weather station and found I could not use it. It 
could still use some improvements and after the initial work they did the 
developer has been less enthusiastic to continue, but it is very useable as it 
is now and many others on this list have bought a Netatmo Weather Station and 
are enjoying the fact they can have access to indoor and outdoor temperature, 
indoor CO2 levels and rainfall amounts and wind speed. Sonos again is another 
example, accessibility was sorely lacking and here several others as well as 
myself relentlessly went after Sonos and bugged them until they realized that 
the Sonos system was of great interest to the blind and in around 2011 or 2012 
there was a turning point when the company made acccessibility a priority and 
ever since each release has been accessible and even some features which 
initially were not accessible like TruePlay tuning eventually were made 
accessible.
OK, enough said, hopefully I was able to explain that beta testing, both 
private and public, is of value and that everybody benefit from the many hours 
beta testers spend testing and reporting issues and providing feedback on new 
features. Beyond that everybody is entitled to their opinion and what I wrote 
above explains mine.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Todd Patkus
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 9:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Chris et al,

I have absolutely no interest or absolutely no need for these stuff.

Apple is not the only one.  Freedom Scientific is one of them.  They like to 
release public Beta annually, but I do not care about them.  These 
stuff--Apple's Beta and FS' Beta--are simply nothing but simply a big waste!  
Beta does not do any good.

Look at bugs still appearing in newer versions.  They do not do enough to first 
check their versions more thoroughly first to ensure the software work 
correctly before releasing them.  Instead, they just enhance new features and 
then, without adequate investigation, send out new versions filled with more 
unwanted bugs to make customers complain!

That is it.

Todd

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RE: dial pad on Apple Watch

[Todd Patkus]

Anna,

If this continues to be so, the folks here and you should really contact 
Accessibility to report this.  If I were you, I would have definitely reported 
it to them!

Up to y'all to decide.

Todd

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Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 6:00 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: dial pad on Apple Watch

Hello,

I just had my sighted husband call me and answered the call on the Apple Watch. 
Neither of us could find either a dial pad or a way to activate a dial pad. 
After we hung up, I asked Siri to open the Phone app on the watch. There were 
options for Favorites, Recents, Contacts, and VoiceMail, but no keyboard. If 
anyone has accessed a dial pad on their Apple Watch before or during a phone 
call, please let us all know how you did it.

Cheers,
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RE: which phones have offline dictation

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Anna,

You better have sighted friends sit down with you and have them tell you what 
they see.  Something to consider.

Todd

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Subject: which phones have offline dictation

Hello,

I'm working on the next edition of getting started with the iPhone, and I could 
use a bit of help. I believe I'm right that the 6s, 6s Plus, SE, and the 7 
phones all have the following features that other phones don't: Raise to Wake, 
Hey Siri works when the phone is on battery, and offline dictation. Is that 
right?

Thanks a lot,
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RE: Phone app on Apple Watch

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

Have your sighted friend see what is on your screen.  I see a dial pad on mine. 
 Does not make sense when one says no dial pad!

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Phone app on Apple Watch

 

Hi Anna,

 

That's amazing, I really don't undersand why there isn't a DialPad, definitely 
something I will have to submit as feedback/a feature request. 

I did check under Settings > Phone and for "Calls on other devices" it says 
"When Nearby". If I double tap on that it says that it is turned on and that is 
the only setting I see.

Unfortunately Telus, one of the 3 big carriers in Canada, for some reason does 
not yet offer Wi-Fi calling, hopefully this will change soon.

 

I wonder why my Watch didn't ring then yesterday since my phone was connected 
to my store's WiFi network and according to what you said this means my watch 
should also be connected.

 

Another oddity I noticed is that when I open the Messages app I saw all my 
messages, but a few of the iMessage threads I had deleted on my phone, but they 
still showed up on the watch. Shouldn't they go away on the watch if they are 
deleted on the phone.

 

Thanks,

Sieghard

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:31 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List  >
Subject: Re: Phone app on Apple Watch

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

No, there's no dial pad for the phone on the watch. There aren't Wi-Fi settings 
either, but your watch does have Wi-Fi capability, and it will join any network 
that your phone has joined. As a result, you can get iMessages and 
notifications even if your phone is off. I believe that if your phone and watch 
are connected to the same Wi-Fi network, you can get calls on your watch if you 
have Wi-Fi Calling turned on. Note that not all cell networks allow Wi-Fi 
calling. Check in Phone Settings on your phone. Wi-Fi Calling and Calls on 
Other Devices should both be turned on.

 

I hope that's of some help.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

 

On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:

 

Hi Watchers (is that a good name to call us Apple Watch users?),

 

I am fairly new to the Apple Watch. Am I missing something or is there no 
DialPad in the phone app on the Apple Watch? If so I really hope Apple will fix 
this because this means you can’t use it at all to make phone calls to anywhere 
you may have to enter an extension or press a number to reach a certain 
department etc. Nowadays this means most phone calls to larger and medium sized 
companies are not possible with the Apple Watch since so many businesses 
nowadays have auto-answer systems where you do have to press some numbers. It’s 
not as if it couldn’t be done, after all there is a keypad for entering your 
passcode which is basically the same as the Dialpad of the phone app without 
the Asterisk and Number keys.

 

Also, I thought the Apple Watch used WiFi, but I don’t see a WiFi setting 
anywhere, just bluetooth. Yesterday I had left my phone in the office at my 
retail store and was up front with a customer, maybe 50 or 60 feet away from 
the office. I heard my phone ring in the office, but my Apple Watch didn’t 
ring, it then started ringing as I walked a bit closer, but by then it was too 
late to pick up the call before it went to voice mail.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

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RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Todd Patkus]

Shawn,

You stat3ed that it is my opinion of the beta.  Not so.  It is simple fact.  
Beta is simply nothing.  I never bother them knowing new versions will always 
have bugs.  If you, Shawn, think more, you will understand why I said so.  I am 
not alone.  Rich is one of them!

Shawn, please relax.  You sound as if you were blunting at me saying it is my 
opinion.  I was simply explaining to the folks here.

Just simmer down.

Thanks.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:02 AM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Hi. Best to let the moderators deal with the offenders of the NDA because 
they're also offending the rules of this list. So let Mark or Cara handle it. 
Todd, that's your opinion about the betas, but I have hope that Apple will 
address some of our issues. Not right away but when they can. As for using a 
beta on a primary or secondary device, I only have an iPhone so I use beta 
software on it. Same with my Mac and Sierra. If I had the money, maybe I'd use 
a secondary device, but for now I don't mind the bugs to not use beta software 
on my primary devices.

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> On Nov 8, 2016, at 6:58 AM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from an iPad Air
> Hi, if you read my message carefully enough, though, I did write, best to say 
> nothing. But should you unintentionally say something, they won't personally 
> hunt you down for 1 accident, and charge you. 
>> On 8 Nov 2016, at 12:52 pm, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> You may be right, but if you read the NDA, you see that you can discuss any 
>> information Apple has already made public ally available. Also, just because 
>> someone else violates their NDA doesn't make it OK for someone else too. 
>> Again, each person needs to decide for themselves what they're comfortable 
>> with after looking at the NDA and agreeing to it. Even if I knew Apple 
>> wasn't going to take any action if I violated the NDA, I'd still be cautious 
>> about going against something I agreed to.
>> 
>>> On 08/11/16 01:31, rajmund wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Best to say nothing, but considering youtube has a what's new in 
>>> 10.2 video, I can't see much would happen.
>>> 
>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Christopher Chaltain >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 22:41:49 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers
>>> 
>>> I don't know if the NDA is a big deal as far as Apple is concerned 
>>> or how much trouble you could get into from Apple, but I do know 
>>> Apple says the following at 
>>> https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal
>>> 
>>> 5. Definition of Confidential Information.  You agree that the
>>> Pre-Release Software and any information concerning the Pre-Release 
>>> Software (including its nature and existence, features, 
>>> functionality, and screen shots), the Seeding Tools, and any other 
>>> information disclosed by Apple to you in connection with the Beta 
>>> Program will be considered and referred to in this Agreement as 
>>> "Confidential Information."
>>> 
>>> 6. Nonuse and Nondisclosure of Confidential Information.  Except as
>>> expressly permitted in this Section 6, you agree that you will not 
>>> disclose, publish, or otherwise disseminate any Confidential 
>>> Information to anyone other than individuals who are enrolled in the 
>>> same individual seed as you, or as otherwise expressly permitted or 
>>> agreed to in writing by Apple.  You further agree to take reasonable 
>>> precautions to prevent any unauthorized use, disclosure, 
>>> publication, or dissemination of Confidential Information, including 
>>> preventing access to or display of
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RE: The Updated Gmail iOS App and VoiceOver

[Todd Patkus]

To all,

 

What are y’all talking about?  What good is Gmail app?

 

I personally never bother Google accounts;  I simply use my Gmail address for 
everything under Outlook 2013, which is the easiest!

 

No big deal.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 11:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Updated Gmail iOS App and VoiceOver

 

New iOS Gmail accessibility is absolutely amazing!

 

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:55 AM Craig Werner  > wrote:

Hello, everyone.

It might be of interest to a number of you that the latest release of
the Gmail app for iOS devices operates somewhat differently with
VoiceOver than did previous versions, and based on the testing I have
done, the app has improved for VoiceOver users.  In earlier versions,
if one wanted to delete a message from the message index, one would
have to check a checkbox next to its header information and then press
a "Delete" button.  Now, double-tap and holding the button
corresponding to the unwanted message places the app in a "Select"
mode.  The user can then move down the list of messages and simply
double-tap the unwanted ones; the "hold" gesture needs to be used only
on the first undesired  message.  Then, once the "delete" list has
been compiled, the "Delete" button can be activated.  There are other
ways to get rid of messages, but I don't want to make this message
overly long.  There is also an "Undo" button which evidently allows
the user to take back a number of actions.  I have not tested this
function yet.  Most gratifying is the possibility that the bug which
prevented text editing of the body of a message may have been
squashed, at least if the user is typing on the on-screen keyboard.  I
haven't tested it with a Bluetooth keyboard yet.

Craig

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RE: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

[Todd Patkus]

Chris et al,

I have absolutely no interest or absolutely no need for these stuff.

Apple is not the only one.  Freedom Scientific is one of them.  They like to 
release public Beta annually, but I do not care about them.  These 
stuff--Apple's Beta and FS' Beta--are simply nothing but simply a big waste!  
Beta does not do any good.

Look at bugs still appearing in newer versions.  They do not do enough to first 
check their versions more thoroughly first to ensure the software work 
correctly before releasing them.  Instead, they just enhance new features and 
then, without adequate investigation, send out new versions filled with more 
unwanted bugs to make customers complain!

That is it.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 10:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers

Interestingly enough, here's what Apple says at 
https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/legal

Please keep in mind that you should not install beta software on production or 
business-critical systems. We strongly recommend installing beta software on a 
secondary system or device, or on a secondary partition on your Mac.

On 07/11/16 18:15, Merv Keck wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I chose to beta test on a secondary device. I have an iPad Mini 4 
> which I beta test with but not my iPhone or my watch or Apple TV for 
> that matter. Just in case something comes up with the beta that causes 
> voiceover to do something unexpected I can’t get caught without my 
> phone. I do not have a land line.
>
>
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Robin Frost
> *Sent:* Monday, November 7, 2016 7:12 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Quick Question for Apple iOS Beta Testers
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> No worries I’m not asking anything that’d cause anyone to violate a 
> non-disclosure agreement at all. I’m merely wondering for those who 
> participate in Apple’s beta testing of iOS how many do so on their 
> main iDevice versus doing so on a secondary device. Right now I’ve 
> obtained a secondary device for beta testing purposes but still weigh 
> sending it back and merely testing on my main device. thus I was 
> curious what others chose and why.
>
> See nothing harmful or controversial there. Thanks for indulging my 
> curiosity.
>
> Robin
>
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RE: questions regarding police scanning Apps

[Todd Patkus]

Robin,

I see it.

When Andy said "scanner Deluxe", it sounded more likely to be similar to the 
KNFB app that scans printed materials into images.

He could have used a different word to make it more accurate so as to avoid 
confusion.

Todd

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Robin Frost
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: questions regarding police scanning Apps

Hi,
I'm not Andy but perhaps I can clarify.
Scanner Deluxe refers to an app that allows the hearing of streams of police 
radio communications. the physical devices some use to listen or stream this 
audio from are called scanners as they scan the frequencies first responders 
broadcast on. It has nothing to do with apps that scan in images of text to 
turn into speech output.  I hope this helps.
Robin


-Original Message-----
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 6:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: questions regarding police scanning Apps

Andy,

Who is the scanner deluxe's manufacturer?  You mean it is better than KNFB?

Todd

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Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 3:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: questions regarding police scanning Apps

You may try scanner deluxe.  It is similar to your app but it seems better 
to me with more local coverage.  Andy and Shubert

-Original Message-
From: Terri Stimmel
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 1:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: questions regarding police scanning Apps

Hello everyone,


I just have a quick question I hope someone can help me with.


I was wondering, is there possibly a better App out there, for finding police 
and other type feeds?

I am currently using 50 Radio Pro. I have the paid version. I've had this App 
for a few years now.

I like it alright, but it doesn't seem to have many feeds in my area. I don't 
know why this is. And it is as though they have removed a couple of feeds. I 
have found a few other feeds using Tune-in.

I live outside of Saint Louis. So you would think there would be many.
But I guess not.


Any help, or thoughts on this would be appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: questions regarding police scanning Apps

[Todd Patkus]

Andy,

Who is the scanner deluxe's manufacturer?  You mean it is better than KNFB?

Todd

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Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 3:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: questions regarding police scanning Apps

You may try scanner deluxe.  It is similar to your app but it seems better 
to me with more local coverage.  Andy and Shubert

-Original Message-
From: Terri Stimmel
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 1:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: questions regarding police scanning Apps

Hello everyone,


I just have a quick question I hope someone can help me with.


I was wondering, is there possibly a better App out there, for finding police 
and other type feeds?

I am currently using 50 Radio Pro. I have the paid version. I've had this App 
for a few years now.

I like it alright, but it doesn't seem to have many feeds in my area. I don't 
know why this is. And it is as though they have removed a couple of feeds. I 
have found a few other feeds using Tune-in.

I live outside of Saint Louis. So you would think there would be many.
But I guess not.


Any help, or thoughts on this would be appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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To Flor and Shaf

[Todd Patkus]

Both,

 

Despite your statements, I am simply firm about what was said in the first
place.  Therefore, you cannot tell anyoen what to do and cannot force them
to go with UEB.

 

Shaf, yes, UEB definitely really sucks.  I have found it totally shoddy and
too many unnecessary characters that are, again, useless eating up even more
of paper!  I do not follow these shoddy stuff.  I keep all my equipment set
in computer Braille and set to eight dots.  That is it.

 

Flor, you need to understand not all will agree what you said.

 

Both:  I did not read all.  I do not care.

 

Plezse, this is the bottom line.

 

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RE: iOS Braille keyboard and some contractions aren't recognized?

[Todd Patkus]

Flor,

Who do you think you are?

I do not need to go with it.  Yes, BANA is still wrongful.  That stands all 
against them!  Please, no more of this stuff and move on.

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Flor Lynch
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS Braille keyboard and some contractions aren't recognized?

You're going to have to put up with and use UEB, though, because it's becoming 
more and more established as the new standard Braille writing medium in 
countries all across the Angophone world. Every sigbnificant Braille authority 
in the English-speaking world has adopted UEB.

-Original Message-
From: Todd Patkus
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 12:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS Braille keyboard and some contractions aren't recognized?

Anna,

Unfortunately, I do not bother the UEB.  I stay with the standard Braille. 
Yes, BANA fails to realize that what they did is completely wrong.  No more 
talk on that UEB.  Thanks.

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>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS Braille keyboard and some contractions aren't recognized?

Hi,

Braille is set to use UEB by default. If you want to use those contractions, go 
to VoiceOVer Settings, choose Braille, and then Braille Translation. On that 
page, choose English u.S.

Best,
Anna



> On Nov 6, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Using iOS9.3.5 on an Iphone 4S the Braille keyboard, and some English 
> Braille contractions such as the lower f in to and several othehs 
> don't seem to be recognized. Any ideas?
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone 4S
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RE: iOS Braille keyboard and some contractions aren't recognized?

[Todd Patkus]

Anna,

Unfortunately, I do not bother the UEB.  I stay with the standard Braille.  
Yes, BANA fails to realize that what they did is completely wrong.  No more 
talk on that UEB.  Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS Braille keyboard and some contractions aren't recognized?

Hi,

Braille is set to use UEB by default. If you want to use those contractions, go 
to VoiceOVer Settings, choose Braille, and then Braille Translation. On that 
page, choose English u.S.

Best,
Anna



> On Nov 6, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Using iOS9.3.5 on an Iphone 4S the Braille keyboard, and some English Braille 
> contractions such as the lower f in to and several othehs don't seem to be 
> recognized. Any ideas?
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone 4S
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RE: iOS app & Outlook

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

Bootcamp is installed in a Mac, yes, and you can do anything using Bootcamp to 
make files look Windows.  For example, you are on a Mac now, you use Bootcamp 
to type a document the same way as you do in Windows but on a Mac.  When you 
are done, your file comes to me as a Word file.

 

At Perkins, my alma mater, all computers there are Macs but the staff use 
Bootcamp to do the same in Windows.  They send hundreds of emails in HTML, so 
the readers receive their emails but do not know their emails were done on Macs 
under Bootcamp.

 

I have received hundreds of emails from Perkins like this but never notice they 
were done on Macs!

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS app & Outlook

 

Isn’t Bootcamp used to install Windows on a Mac and then to switch between 
using Windows and Mac OS? If so then there is no such thing for iOS, you can’t 
run a second operating system on iOS devices.

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 11:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: iOS app & Outlook

 

To all:

 

I saw someone on this list talking about Outlook.

 

If so, is there a good app for iOS 10.x.x on an iPhone that acts like Bootcamp 
used on Mac that becomes Microsoft Outlook 2013 or whatever where Mail is 
composed?

 

I just wonder about it.

 

Todd

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RE: iOS app & Outlook

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

Please NO trivial stuff.

 

Sieghard, all I need to know to which app you were talking about—mail app in 
iOS or something else.

 

If you mean the mail app in iOS, I do not like that app that much.  Many cons 
there.

 

I prefer Outlook where a lot more can be performed while the mail app lacks a 
lot.  That is it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS app & Outlook

 

Whenever one says “native” or “stock” in front of an app that usually refers to 
the app that comes preinstalled with iOS. So, the “native mail app” or “stock 
mail app” is just the app that is on all iOS devices by default and it is 
simply called “Mail” on the device.

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: iOS app & Outlook

 

Sieghard,

 

Which mail you say “native mail”?  Which one?

 

Todd

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 3:48 PM
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Subject: RE: iOS app & Outlook

 

The iOS Outlook app is quite accessible and has some nice features such as 
integration with OneDrive, Dropbox and other cloud file storage solutions, but 
I nonetheless prefer the native mail app. It is a free app so you can always 
give it a try and see how you like it.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 12:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: iOS app & Outlook

 

to all, 

 

I hcecked app store and checked search and it does have microsoft outlook emial 
and calender. 

 

have you tried this microsoft outlook on your iphone?

 

sincerely, 

rich 

 

From: Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:50 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: iOS app & Outlook

 

To all:

 

I saw someone on this list talking about Outlook.

 

If so, is there a good app for iOS 10.x.x on an iPhone that acts like Bootcamp 
used on Mac that becomes Microsoft Outlook 2013 or whatever where Mail is 
composed?

 

I just wonder about it.

 

Todd

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RE: iOS app & Outlook

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

 

Which mail you say “native mail”?  Which one?

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS app & Outlook

 

The iOS Outlook app is quite accessible and has some nice features such as 
integration with OneDrive, Dropbox and other cloud file storage solutions, but 
I nonetheless prefer the native mail app. It is a free app so you can always 
give it a try and see how you like it.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 12:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: iOS app & Outlook

 

to all, 

 

I hcecked app store and checked search and it does have microsoft outlook emial 
and calender. 

 

have you tried this microsoft outlook on your iphone?

 

sincerely, 

rich 

 

From: Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:50 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: iOS app & Outlook

 

To all:

 

I saw someone on this list talking about Outlook.

 

If so, is there a good app for iOS 10.x.x on an iPhone that acts like Bootcamp 
used on Mac that becomes Microsoft Outlook 2013 or whatever where Mail is 
composed?

 

I just wonder about it.

 

Todd

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RE: Folders & passwords

[Todd Patkus]

Rajmund,

That is standard.  So, Apple is not alone.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 3:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Folders & passwords

Hello,
I've been hearing that apple has good security. If you do have money on the 
account, it does ask a few times. However, if you don't have money, before the 
purchase takes place, you are asked to set up a payment method. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:15 pm
Subject: RE: Folders & passwords

>
>
> Yes, that may be true if you don't have a card associated with your account.. 
> Most people, however, do have a credit card associated with their account and 
> in that case in-app purchases are happily getting billed to the card on file. 
> It is said that Apple has the largest collection of complete user information 
> with names, addresses, phone numbers, email accounts and payment information 
> in the world. They are probably the constant target of hacking attempts as 
> well, let's hope they are smarter than the hackers and have very good 
> encryption.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of rajmund
> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 11:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Folders & passwords
> 
> Hi,
> Just for accuracy sakes, you can only do inapp purchases, if you have money 
> on your iTunes account.
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
>  - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  Sun, 6 Nov 2016 17:11:58 +
> Subject: RE: Folders & passwords
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> You should take a look at restrictions because one thing you don't want is 
> suddenly getting a huge bill from the app store.  I heard all sorts of 
> stories where kids racked up hundreds of Dollars with in-app purchases for 
> some games etc.  You can definitely disable use of the iTunes Store and the 
> downloading and deleting of apps and in-app purchases.  You can also turn off 
> Safari and set content restrictions for websites, books, music, movies and 
> even SIRI.
> You can also disallow changes for Contacts which makes it impossible to add, 
> change or remove accounts in mail, contacts and calendars.
> Unfortunately you can't set restrictions for turning off/on things like WiFi 
> or Bluetooth, but you can also restrict the Camera.
> Restrictions may also be a good tool to start teaching him to behave, just 
> explain that unless he quits changing things he can't do certain things any 
> more which he likes like maybe taking pictures etc.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Donna
> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Folders & passwords
> 
> I have set restrictions.  Was hoping for a way to just put Settings 
> into a folder & password protect the folder.  Oh well...sigh...guess 
> I'll just have to keep resetting the screen brightness, font size, 
> make sure wifi is on etc etc etc..all the things that can't be 
> controlled within restrictions..He is getting older so hopefully him 
> causing me to go crazy won't last much longer
> 
> Donna
> 
>  Don't think so, but you may be able to set restrictions and prevent 
> some of the problems.
>  Keep in mind that if you go to Settings > General > Restrictions you 
> will b asked to set a 4-digit passcode.  Make sure you don't forget it 
> since otherwise you can't get back in there if you want to disable 
> said restrictions..
> 
>  Regards,
>  Sieghard
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Donna
>  Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:26 PM
>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  Subject: Folders & passwords
> 
>  Hi All,
> 
>  Is there an app or a way to create a folder & password protect the 
> folder? My 6 year old keeps changing things in Settings on his iPad & 
> taking useless photos.  So what I would like to be able to do is 
> create a folder & add apps like Settings, iTunes, App store & Camera 
> in the folder & password protect the folder.
> 
>  Donna
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RE: Folders & passwords

[Todd Patkus]

Sieghard,

I remind you that there were a few occasions when Apple computers were hacked!

Since more and kids learn computing very early of age, they could possibly be 
able to find a subtle/underlying way to craftily/slyly sneak and suck billions 
of US dollars!  If it ever happens, I would not be surprised.  I would just nod 
at Apple.  Smile

Rich, think of this.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 3:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Folders & passwords

Yes, that may be true if you don't have a card associated with your account. 
Most people, however, do have a credit card associated with their account and 
in that case in-app purchases are happily getting billed to the card on file. 
It is said that Apple has the largest collection of complete user information 
with names, addresses, phone numbers, email accounts and payment information in 
the world. They are probably the constant target of hacking attempts as well, 
let's hope they are smarter than the hackers and have very good encryption.


Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Folders & passwords

Hi,
Just for accuracy sakes, you can only do inapp purchases, if you have money on 
your iTunes account.

Sent from a BrailleNote

 - Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  General > Restrictions you will b 
asked to set a 4-digit passcode.  Make sure you don't forget it since otherwise 
you can't get back in there if you want to disable said restrictions..

 Regards,
 Sieghard

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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
 Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:26 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Folders & passwords

 Hi All,

 Is there an app or a way to create a folder & password protect the folder? My 
6 year old keeps changing things in Settings on his iPad & taking useless 
photos.  So what I would like to be able to do is create a folder & add apps 
like Settings, iTunes, App store & Camera in the folder & password protect the 
folder.

 Donna

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RE: iOS app & Outlook

[Todd Patkus]

Rich et al,

 

I never bother the calendar feature in Windows 10 and iOS.  Simply but 
absolutely useless.

 

Todd

 

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Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:46 PM
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to all, 

 

I hcecked app store and checked search and it does have microsoft outlook emial 
and calender. 

 

have you tried this microsoft outlook on your iphone?

 

sincerely, 

rich 

 

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Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:50 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: iOS app & Outlook

 

To all:

 

I saw someone on this list talking about Outlook.

 

If so, is there a good app for iOS 10.x.x on an iPhone that acts like Bootcamp 
used on Mac that becomes Microsoft Outlook 2013 or whatever where Mail is 
composed?

 

I just wonder about it.

 

Todd

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iOS app & Outlook

[Todd Patkus]

To all:

 

I saw someone on this list talking about Outlook.

 

If so, is there a good app for iOS 10.x.x on an iPhone that acts like
Bootcamp used on Mac that becomes Microsoft Outlook 2013 or whatever where
Mail is composed?

 

I just wonder about it.

 

Todd

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