RE: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Hi, I didn't change it because I wasn't actually adding to the info about the app, just noting the problem people could have finding info. I believe though that the current subject line gives better direction to future browsers of the list archive than does OCR. Jon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps] Are you saying that the subject line should be changed to include Text Detective so people wanting information on Text Detective could easily find it in the future? If so, I went ahead and added that to the subject line, but there's no reason you couldn't have done that as well Jon! *smile* This is not a serious complaint or criticism, but just a gentle nudge. Also, although it's true that Text Detective wasn't in the subject line, OCR was, so I think most people looking for information on Text Detective would still stumble across it, but thinking about good subject lines is a good point. I was looking through my folders on posts concerning GPS apps, and I definitely appreciate good subject lines! On 21/07/12 14:26, Jon Pierson wrote: Hi, Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text Detective won't find this thread. Jon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Hi Chuck, How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone? I would recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your document. Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: I have had no success with this app. I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC. I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong. out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material. It worked about 90% of the time. Any ideas? Chuck On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more- 615 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Sure it's something a good amateur detective could figure out, my thought was for posterity and of easily searching the wealth of info that folks contribute for later perusal by new folks. Jon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps] Well, Sherlock Holmes is a detective, so not difficult to deduce. Andy -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps] Are you saying that the subject line should be changed to include Text Detective so people wanting information on Text Detective could easily find it in the future? If so, I went ahead and added that to the subject line, but there's no reason you couldn't have done that as well Jon! *smile* This is not a serious complaint or criticism, but just a gentle nudge. Also, although it's true that Text Detective wasn't in the subject line, OCR was, so I think most people looking for information on Text Detective would still stumble across it, but thinking about good subject lines is a good point. I was looking through my folders on posts concerning GPS apps, and I definitely appreciate good subject lines! On 21/07/12 14:26, Jon Pierson wrote: Hi, Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text Detective won't find this thread. Jon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Hi Chuck, How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone? I would recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your document. Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: I have had no success with this app. I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC. I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong. out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material. It worked about 90% of the time. Any ideas? Chuck On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more- 615 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group
Re: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Hi Esther, THank you for sharing all of this because I had not really given much thought to how best to hold the phone. I have always used portrait, but in considering what you have stated, I can see how landscape would make more sense. In fact it makes sense if for no other reason than better stability. I am definitely going to try try landscape mode with the OCR apps I have and see how that works. I hope this discussion will help others try other techniques as well which may improve their results as well. THanks Esther I always learn something new from your contributions. Scott On Jul 21, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Scott, I stated that comment about picking up the phone in landscape mode badly. I meant to say that most VoiceOver users who use OCR apps, and lift their iPhones above the page, find it easier to lift it and keep it flat and stable, if they hold their phone with their hands along the long dimension (i.e. landscape mode). I do pick up and hold my iPhone in portrait orientation, and I can lift it and keep it fairly flat now, even with just one hand, in portrait orientation, and get pretty good results with OCR apps. (This is the result of muscle memory kicking in after training). However, if I were to teach someone, in person, how to use an OCR app, I might well have them rotate everything so that the document and phone are horizontally oriented, and so they can pick up the iPhone more stably in landscape mode. For the extreme example, think about picking up a ruler, and being told to hold it flat in the air. It is extremely difficult to hold the ends of the short dimension and keep the ruler from twisting. Or think about carrying a long, thin, package. You'll always hold the rectangle by the long ends if you're carrying a stack of boxes and trying to balance them. The instructions for TextDetective do tell you to hold the phone in landscape mode: begin quote How to scan and read text 1. Select the “Scan” tab. 2. Place the phone in landscape and the home button aligned with the right or left edge of the document. 3. Recommendation: when pointing the phone at text, try to keep the phone straight and parallel to the text object. 4. Lift the phone away from the document-about a forearm’s length. Don't tilt or rotate, keep the phone straight. 5. Hit the “Start Scan” button and wait for the “evaluating” prompt. 6. Phone will vibrate for found detections. 7. Once OCR is complete, a text field with all the detected text will be shown. VoiceOver will speak all the results. 8. To read the individual results one by one, tap the individual detections button. In VoiceOver mode, use three finger gesture swipe left-right to navigate use three finger gesture swipe left-right to navigate through results (single finger swipe in non VoiceOver mode). 9. Hit Done-Back button to rescan. 10. Note: Text may be at the top of the document. If results aren't satisfactory, try placing the phone nearer the top part of the page, while still aligning the home button with the left or right edge of the document. Then lift the phone and scan again. end quote This combination of holding the iPhone in landscape mode while the document page has to be in portrait mode almost guarantees that you won't be able to get the entire text read at once unless you're reading a section of a page where there is only text in the central third, or so of the page. Or this will work for reading letter envelopes. There's another thing about holding the phone in landscape mode -- you can use the edges of the portrait page to check your alignment, because they're not so far from the edge of the phone. I think the fact that the developer of TextDetective was able to get National Institutes of Health grant funding to support some of the work in the app (see the app description page), and also bring down the cost of the initial app so that more people could try it and get started, was also a deliberate decision. I'd be really curious to hear the impressions from people who train others (and who have mastered using OCR apps themselves), about what the most effective teaching methods to use are. Just my thoughts. YMMV. Cheers, Esther On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Esther, I thought the comment about most Voiceover users picking up their phone in landscape mode interesting. I actually have always used mine in portrait mode. I wonder though if the page has to be oriented correctly, I assume (and this probably is a pretty silly question) Text Detective already assumes the camera is oriented in the lower right corner, thus being 90 degrees off from what may be considered correct orientation? In other words could people have less than stellar results if the phone were oriented in the portrait mode? I don't know if the instructions tell you to put the
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
This is interesting. I've never ever gotten any results at all from Text grabber. All it says is couldn't get any text or something to that effect. With PerfectOcr i get much gibberish and one or two words right. With SayText and docscanner i've only ever had the phone beep once and even then the results were mostly gibberish. The only apps i've been able to get a quite decent result from, (and by that i mean enough comprihencible text to know that this is an important mail and i have to run it through the scanner for the mac to get everything right) are text detective and Prizmo. /Krister 21 jul 2012 kl. 20:48 skrev Chuck Dean: I have had no success with this app. I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC. I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong. out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material. It worked about 90% of the time. Any ideas? Chuck On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
The other option is to locate the button that takes the picture, turn Voiceover off, do what the app suggests in terms of positioning the camera, then finally, pressing the button the one time to take the picture. Once the picture is taken, you can then turn Voiceover on again, and you’re ok. I’ve done this a number of times with some other apps for OCR, and it worked well. Just thought I would make that suggestion. Victor Gouveia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the start scanning button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn't working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one's voice to activate the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of VaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615 The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting. I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can with Text Detective. I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) what works for one isn't always going to work for another. Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn't like it or it didn't work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn't going to waste. *smile* Amy Billman Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs! SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector http://www.SpeedDots.com Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the start scanning button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn't working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one's voice to activate the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of VaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615 The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
Sandy, I am the one that wrote this blog post, and I completely agree with you about the tapping to start the scan issue. I think that is important to remember that this is the first version of this app, and it might be a good idea if those of us who have bought this app contact the developer with our comments so that they will know what some of our issues with the app is. I for one have had very good results with Text Detective and have no trouble recommending it to others. I really do appreciate your comments and if you didn't leave a comment on our blog would you please do so? This is how we will be able to keep track of how many people we are getting to read our blog posts. If you have any suggestions as to an app or something with the iPhone that I can write please let me know and I will see if I can put a future post. together. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Sandy Finley wrote: Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfVaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
Hi Amy, This is why I wish that more developers would have a demo version of their apps available from their website. Of course then we would all have to go to their websites, but I that this would be what all of the developers would want. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Amy Billman wrote: I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting. I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can with Text Detective. I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) what works for one isn’t always going to work for another. Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn’t like it or it didn’t work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn’t going to waste. *smile* Amy Billman Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs! SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector http://www.SpeedDots.com Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfVaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
I'm another one of those who has tried all those other OCR apps with no success. With only a few attempts with TextDetective Blind Treasures I was able to get very good results. It all comes down to holding the phone at the right height and lighting. For a first release, this is a wonderful app and I hope they keep improving it. Blind Treasures Sales: sa...@blindtreasures.com Skype: kingmeade Web Page: http://www.blindtreasures.com http://www.blindtreasures.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Billman Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting. I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can with Text Detective. I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) what works for one isn't always going to work for another. Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn't like it or it didn't work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn't going to waste. *smile* Amy Billman Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs! SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector http://www.SpeedDots.com Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the start scanning button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn't working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one's voice to activate the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of VaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615 The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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I have had no success with this app. I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC. I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong. out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material. It worked about 90% of the time. Any ideas? Chuck On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Articlehttp://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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I think it would make sense to recommend that the developer consider allowing you to leave the phone flat on the paper and once the button is tapped, have you lift until the page is in view for the camera. In other words combine the functionality of SayText and Text Detective. Seems a marriage of both apps would produce a pretty interesting result. On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:12 PM, blind Treasures blindtreasu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm another one of those who has tried all those other OCR apps with no success. With only a few attempts with TextDetective Blind Treasures I was able to get very good results. It all comes down to holding the phone at the right height and lighting. For a first release, this is a wonderful app and I hope they keep improving it. Blind Treasures Sales: sa...@blindtreasures.com Skype: kingmeade Web Page: http://www.blindtreasures.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Billman Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting. I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can with Text Detective. I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) what works for one isn’t always going to work for another. Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn’t like it or it didn’t work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn’t going to waste. *smile* Amy Billman Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs! SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector http://www.SpeedDots.com Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, orSayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of VaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive
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Does Text Detective leverage the flash on the iPHone? On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Scott Rumery blindfait...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chuck, How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone? I would recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your document. Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: I have had no success with this app. I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC. I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong. out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material. It worked about 90% of the time. Any ideas? Chuck On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
Hi, Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text Detective won't find this thread. Jon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Hi Chuck, How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone? I would recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your document. Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: I have had no success with this app. I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC. I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong. out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material. It worked about 90% of the time. Any ideas? Chuck On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
The only problem I have with this ap is that I can never get a whole page! Quite frustrating as this ap seems to work the best for me! Jenifer Gilley email claudas...@gmail.com MSN: claudas...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Amy Billman To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting. I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can with Text Detective. I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) what works for one isn't always going to work for another. Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn't like it or it didn't work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn't going to waste. *smile* Amy Billman Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs! SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector http://www.SpeedDots.com Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the start scanning button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn't working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one's voice to activate the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of VaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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While I agree that having an automatic shoot option is a great idea, not having one has not hindered me from using this app. I have gotten pretty good results with it. I have used both SayText and Prizmo and had trouble with each of them. SayText gave me no good results. Prizmo, while sometimes giving me good results, took way too long just to get the results. So I found that the app was not worth using. I find that TextDetective works best with single pages that are lying completely flat. It also works well with bigger books. I found paperbacks hard to hold open, And I never got legible results with them. The app also states that magazines do not work well with it either. I found that to be true unless the magazine was all text. I did have a magazine that I knew was all text, and that worked very well. I know that this app will not work well for everyone, but these are just my experiences. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Scott Rumery blindfait...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, That is a very good suggestion. Did you submit this suggestion to the developer? Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I think it would make sense to recommend that the developer consider allowing you to leave the phone flat on the paper and once the button is tapped, have you lift until the page is in view for the camera. In other words combine the functionality of SayText and Text Detective. Seems a marriage of both apps would produce a pretty interesting result. On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:12 PM, blind Treasures blindtreasu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm another one of those who has tried all those other OCR apps with no success. With only a few attempts with TextDetective Blind Treasures I was able to get very good results. It all comes down to holding the phone at the right height and lighting. For a first release, this is a wonderful app and I hope they keep improving it. Blind Treasures Sales: sa...@blindtreasures.com Skype: kingmeade Web Page: http://www.blindtreasures.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Billman Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting. I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can with Text Detective. I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) what works for one isn’t always going to work for another. Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn’t like it or it didn’t work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn’t going to waste. *smile* Amy Billman Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs! SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector http://www.SpeedDots.com Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, orSayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of VaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because
Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Are you saying that the subject line should be changed to include Text Detective so people wanting information on Text Detective could easily find it in the future? If so, I went ahead and added that to the subject line, but there's no reason you couldn't have done that as well Jon! *smile* This is not a serious complaint or criticism, but just a gentle nudge. Also, although it's true that Text Detective wasn't in the subject line, OCR was, so I think most people looking for information on Text Detective would still stumble across it, but thinking about good subject lines is a good point. I was looking through my folders on posts concerning GPS apps, and I definitely appreciate good subject lines! On 21/07/12 14:26, Jon Pierson wrote: Hi, Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text Detective won't find this thread. Jon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Hi Chuck, How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone? I would recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your document. Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: I have had no success with this app. I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC. I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong. out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material. It worked about 90% of the time. Any ideas? Chuck On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Having looked at the description of this app, I see no reference to other languages, and yet it is in the French appstore. Does it support any other languages? Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
That is because the original message in this thread was the title of the blog post. On Jul 21, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jon Pierson wrote: Hi, Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text Detective won't find this thread. Jon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Hi Chuck, How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone? I would recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your document. Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: I have had no success with this app. I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC. I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong. out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material. It worked about 90% of the time. Any ideas? Chuck On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Esther, I thought the comment about most Voiceover users picking up their phone in landscape mode interesting. I actually have always used mine in portrait mode. I wonder though if the page has to be oriented correctly, I assume (and this probably is a pretty silly question) Text Detective already assumes the camera is oriented in the lower right corner, thus being 90 degrees off from what may be considered correct orientation? In other words could people have less than stellar results if the phone were oriented in the portrait mode? I don't know if the instructions tell you to put the phone in landscape mode, but would assume it does. I find this pretty interesting actually. I do agree the simplicity of Text Detective does make it attractive, but even as a 1.0 app I would have thought maybe the dev would have accounted for some features such as using the flash or auto flash and orientation of the document. I will be watching this app closely to see what comes next. Interestingly, this app was mentioned in a message that went out to the Section 508 working group in the agency where I work. The Section 508 working group is an interesting name since the objective of the group is to deal with accessibility of all IT and other technologies used in the workplace, although we tend to stray into other areas. :) Thanks for sharing the information. Scott On Jul 21, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Anne and Others, No, Text Detective does not yet support languages other than English. What that means for languages like French, which use a Latin alphabet, is that you'll get many of the words, but characters where you have an e with an acute accent will show up as the number 6, for example. The plus side is that it is simple to use, and it gives people some better immediate results because it has them hold the phone in landscape mode, which is the way most VoiceOver users will pick up their iPhones, and is easier to keep documents in alignment. However, because you're holding the phone this way, and the document has to be in portrait mode, you don't get the full page -- only a section of it. There's no setting to turn flash on, again in the interests of keeping things simple. Unlike Prizmo, TextGrabber, and Perfect OCR, you need to orient the page correctly to get results. The program won't work if the document is upside down or rotated 90 degrees as it will for these other programs. The design philosophy, I believe, is to let people get some results right away. If you don't get results, you simply rotate the page and try again, and because it's relatively fast to navigate the controls, it's not hard to do this. In my estimation, the actual time to OCR is not really faster than with Prizmo. The complication that I believe most people find with Prizmo, apart from having to practice the alignment and holding things flat and in good light, is that there are multiple steps, even though most of this is just double-tapping the Next button in the top right corner. And if Prizmo were to implement a quick process mode where it assumed all the defaults and that you'd make no changes at all (since you need vision to crop, adjust images, etc.), I bet that would make things a lot easier for VoiceOver users. With Text Detective you still have to hold things flat, aligned, and in good light, but there are fewer steps. It is also more tolerant of slight alignment errors, just as Prizmo is more tolerant of such errors than most OCR programs (believe it or not). For people who are having difficulty pressing the Start Scan button in Text Detective while holding the phone flat, try putting your forefinger on the button while you hold the phone in landscape mode with your two hands, but keep your middle finger free. Then, when you have lifted your phone to the correct height, use a split tap with your middle finger to press the button without shaking the phone. I think Text Detective has good features, but won't give full page information in its current mode. By the way, Perfect OCR supports Russian, although I haven't tested that out yet -- just the French. And TextGrabber gives the full range of ABBYY's OCR language support, so should also support Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Arabic, etc. in addition to the above. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Having looked at the description of this app, I see no reference to other languages, and yet it is in the French appstore. Does it support any other languages? Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
Hi Chuck, Can you tell me what if any settings you have changed with Text Grabber? I get a good scan but don't always get the full page even if I change the hight at which I hold the phone. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps I finally got some success with this app. I printed a story and then scanned it with this app. The first thing I noticed is that the tips say to hold the iPhone about a forearm's length away from the page. The person who wrote that must have very short forearms. :) I got results when I held the phone about 12 inches away. The results were good, but not great. about 80% correct. But the main flaw I see is it only scans half of the page. The app also did not give me enough time to orient the page correctly, so I had to do a few scans to get one that would read. I assume that this works better for those with no vision, as you could move the phone around until you got a good scan. I am glad to hear that this app is working well for many people,but, personally with the limited vision I have Text Grabber is still the best OCR app, I have it configured so only one tap of the camera button and it will give me a full readable page in less than a minute. Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Hi Scott, I stated that comment about picking up the phone in landscape mode badly. I meant to say that most VoiceOver users who use OCR apps, and lift their iPhones above the page, find it easier to lift it and keep it flat and stable, if they hold their phone with their hands along the long dimension (i.e. landscape mode). I do pick up and hold my iPhone in portrait orientation, and I can lift it and keep it fairly flat now, even with just one hand, in portrait orientation, and get pretty good results with OCR apps. (This is the result of muscle memory kicking in after training). However, if I were to teach someone, in person, how to use an OCR app, I might well have them rotate everything so that the document and phone are horizontally oriented, and so they can pick up the iPhone more stably in landscape mode. For the extreme example, think about picking up a ruler, and being told to hold it flat in the air. It is extremely difficult to hold the ends of the short dimension and keep the ruler from twisting. Or think about carrying a long, thin, package. You'll always hold the rectangle by the long ends if you're carrying a stack of boxes and trying to balance them. The instructions for TextDetective do tell you to hold the phone in landscape mode: begin quote How to scan and read text 1. Select the “Scan” tab. 2. Place the phone in landscape and the home button aligned with the right or left edge of the document. 3. Recommendation: when pointing the phone at text, try to keep the phone straight and parallel to the text object. 4. Lift the phone away from the document-about a forearm’s length. Don't tilt or rotate, keep the phone straight. 5. Hit the “Start Scan” button and wait for the “evaluating” prompt. 6. Phone will vibrate for found detections. 7. Once OCR is complete, a text field with all the detected text will be shown. VoiceOver will speak all the results. 8. To read the individual results one by one, tap the individual detections button. In VoiceOver mode, use three finger gesture swipe left-right to navigate use three finger gesture swipe left-right to navigate through results (single finger swipe in non VoiceOver mode). 9. Hit Done-Back button to rescan. 10. Note: Text may be at the top of the document. If results aren't satisfactory, try placing the phone nearer the top part of the page, while still aligning the home button with the left or right edge of the document. Then lift the phone and scan again. end quote This combination of holding the iPhone in landscape mode while the document page has to be in portrait mode almost guarantees that you won't be able to get the entire text read at once unless you're reading a section of a page where there is only text in the central third, or so of the page. Or this will work for reading letter envelopes. There's another thing about holding the phone in landscape mode -- you can use the edges of the portrait page to check your alignment, because they're not so far from the edge of the phone. I think the fact that the developer of TextDetective was able to get National Institutes of Health grant funding to support some of the work in the app (see the app description page), and also bring down the cost of the initial app so that more people could try it and get started, was also a deliberate decision. I'd be really curious to hear the impressions from people who train others (and who have mastered using OCR apps themselves), about what the most effective teaching methods to use are. Just my thoughts. YMMV. Cheers, Esther On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Esther, I thought the comment about most Voiceover users picking up their phone in landscape mode interesting. I actually have always used mine in portrait mode. I wonder though if the page has to be oriented correctly, I assume (and this probably is a pretty silly question) Text Detective already assumes the camera is oriented in the lower right corner, thus being 90 degrees off from what may be considered correct orientation? In other words could people have less than stellar results if the phone were oriented in the portrait mode? I don't know if the instructions tell you to put the phone in landscape mode, but would assume it does. I find this pretty interesting actually. I do agree the simplicity of Text Detective does make it attractive, but even as a 1.0 app I would have thought maybe the dev would have accounted for some features such as using the flash or auto flash and orientation of the document. I will be watching this app closely to see what comes next. Interestingly, this app was mentioned in a message that went out to the Section 508 working group in the agency where I work. The Section 508 working group is an interesting name since the objective of the group is to deal with accessibility of all IT and other technologies used in the workplace, although we tend to stray into other
TextGrabber settings [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Hi Roger, This is not Chuck, but I've used TextGrabber successfully. You could try turning the switch for Enable crop to off under Settings. The other thing you can do is try using the Light Detector app to judge the height and position at which to hold your phone. For OCR apps like Prizmo, TextGrabbber, and Perfect OCR, the sound will be loudest when you are at about the correct height and centering. For Say Text you can start from that height and expect to lift your phone at least 2-3 inches higher before you get SayText to register the document is in position for it to automatically proceed by taking a picture. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jul 21, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Roger Frischenmeyer wrote: Hi Chuck, Can you tell me what if any settings you have changed with Text Grabber? I get a good scan but don't always get the full page even if I change the hight at which I hold the phone. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps I finally got some success with this app. I printed a story and then scanned it with this app. The first thing I noticed is that the tips say to hold the iPhone about a forearm's length away from the page. The person who wrote that must have very short forearms. :) I got results when I held the phone about 12 inches away. The results were good, but not great. about 80% correct. But the main flaw I see is it only scans half of the page. The app also did not give me enough time to orient the page correctly, so I had to do a few scans to get one that would read. I assume that this works better for those with no vision, as you could move the phone around until you got a good scan. I am glad to hear that this app is working well for many people,but, personally with the limited vision I have Text Grabber is still the best OCR app, I have it configured so only one tap of the camera button and it will give me a full readable page in less than a minute. Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
TextGrabber settings [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Hi, In text grabber settings I have my language set to English my search engine set to Google and all other buttons are set to off. I hold my iPhone about 12 inches above a page when I am scanning it. That seems to be the optimum distance. Hope this helps. Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
Actually, the KNFB Reader mobile requires you to hit a button while you are holding the camera. it takes a real feat of coordination. Andy From: Sandy Finley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Scott, thank you for responding. I will not delete the app in hopes of future adjustments. It seems as if no scanning app on a mobile phone works as well as larger scanners guess that’s to be expected. I will go write something on your blog later. Have a good day! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Sandy, I am the one that wrote this blog post, and I completely agree with you about the tapping to start the scan issue. I think that is important to remember that this is the first version of this app, and it might be a good idea if those of us who have bought this app contact the developer with our comments so that they will know what some of our issues with the app is. I for one have had very good results with Text Detective and have no trouble recommending it to others. I really do appreciate your comments and if you didn't leave a comment on our blog would you please do so? This is how we will be able to keep track of how many people we are getting to read our blog posts. If you have any suggestions as to an app or something with the iPhone that I can write please let me know and I will see if I can put a future post. together. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Sandy Finley wrote: Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfVaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
I do not believe so, but it should. This would be a good recommendation to make. Andy From: Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Does Text Detective leverage the flash on the iPHone? On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Scott Rumery blindfait...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chuck, How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone? I would recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your document. Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: I have had no success with this app. I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC. I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong. out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material. It worked about 90% of the time. Any ideas? Chuck On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
I have found this to be true of all of the apps. Even with the KNFB Reader, I almost never captured the whole page. Andy From: Jenifer Gilley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps The only problem I have with this ap is that I can never get a whole page! Quite frustrating as this ap seems to work the best for me! Jenifer Gilley email claudas...@gmail.com MSN: claudas...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Amy Billman To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting. I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can with Text Detective. I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) what works for one isn’t always going to work for another. Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn’t like it or it didn’t work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn’t going to waste. *smile* Amy Billman Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs! SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector http://www.SpeedDots.com Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of VaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive
Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps
I think that this is because of the size of the camera lense. Andy From: Jenifer Gilley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps The only problem I have with this ap is that I can never get a whole page! Quite frustrating as this ap seems to work the best for me! Jenifer Gilley email claudas...@gmail.com MSN: claudas...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Amy Billman To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:05 PM Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps I think this scanning apps discussion is very interesting. I am one of those who could not get prismo or Saytext to work at all, but can with Text Detective. I suppose that really it all comes down to, (just like with anything else,) what works for one isn’t always going to work for another. Meanwhile, am I the only one who wishes that if they bought an app and didn’t like it or it didn’t work for them, but maybe it would work for someone else, that they could gift their coppy to them? At least then your money isn’t going to waste. *smile* Amy Billman Check out my company for your screen protector and phone accessory needs! SpeedDots: the makers of the tactile screen protector http://www.SpeedDots.com Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/SpeedDots Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SpeedDots From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of VaShaun Jones Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7317 (20120721) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone
Re: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Well, Sherlock Holmes is a detective, so not difficult to deduce. Andy -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Text Detective [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps] Are you saying that the subject line should be changed to include Text Detective so people wanting information on Text Detective could easily find it in the future? If so, I went ahead and added that to the subject line, but there's no reason you couldn't have done that as well Jon! *smile* This is not a serious complaint or criticism, but just a gentle nudge. Also, although it's true that Text Detective wasn't in the subject line, OCR was, so I think most people looking for information on Text Detective would still stumble across it, but thinking about good subject lines is a good point. I was looking through my folders on posts concerning GPS apps, and I definitely appreciate good subject lines! On 21/07/12 14:26, Jon Pierson wrote: Hi, Just a quick comment on the subject line here. Anyone looking for Text Detective won't find this thread. Jon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Hi Chuck, How far from what your are trying to scan do you hold your phone? I would recommend that you experiment with this and each time that you get a scan with a lot of gibberish just move the phone a little closer to your document. Remember that good lighting is crucial to a successful scan. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: I have had no success with this app. I followed the tips, and I am in normal office lighting. I have tried to scan, an email, a electric bill, a letter, and a page from a book. I have tried different positions, scan lengths ETC. I will only get one or two words, and those are usually wrong. out of curiosity I tried using Text grabber on the same material. It worked about 90% of the time. Any ideas? Chuck On Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, VaShaun Jones wrote: How many times have you wished that there was a good OCR solution for your IOS device? Well, the latest OCR app to hit the Apple IOS AppStore just may be what you have been waiting for. The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps- Full Article http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/the-sherlock-holmes-of-ocr-apps-2/#more-615 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Try Using a Split Tap to activate Text Detective's Start Scan button [was Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps]
Hi Sandy and Others, I wrote this comment in another post discussing the Text Detective app, but I'll make the suggestion here. One way to minimize the problems with trying to hold the iPhone steady, lift it, and still hit the button to activate the camera for OCR is to place your forefinger on the Start Scan button when you hold your camera. I have my thumbs around the bottom edge of the iPhone (held in landscape mode), my right forefinger resting on the screen and on Start Scan button, and pointing parallel to the bottom edge of the iPhone, generally in the direction of the Home button, which is to the left in this case, and the other fingers of my hand around the top edge of the iPhone, and supporting it. Basically, my thumb and ring finger or middle finger of each hand is circling the right and left side edges of the iPhone and supporting it in landscape mode, and I can rest my forefinger on the screen. If you swipe your forefinger up and down, windshield wiper fashion, it will touch the three sections where VoiceOver announces Text Detective, then the Tap the `Start Scan' button… instructions, and the Start Scan button. I leave it resting on the Start Scan button as I lift the iPhone. Then I can split tap on the screen with the forefinger of my left hand to activate the button. Because the phone is support by hands, the light tap on the screen to activate the button doesn't jostle the iPhone. Practice holding the iPhone in landscape mode with your hands in a comfortable position to do the split tap without having to do the lift. Then, when you're comfortable with this (or as comfortable as you can manage to be with your hands in this position *grin*), go ahead and try lifting and tapping. I sympathize with your point about having to do umpteen different things at once and keep the device flat and steady while tapping the button. And I do like the feature of Prizmo where you can use your voice to activate the picture taking. But please don't give up on these apps. Eventually, we'll find some combination of features that will work for us. Best wishes, Esther On Jul 21, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: Actually, the KNFB Reader mobile requires you to hit a button while you are holding the camera. it takes a real feat of coordination. Andy From: Sandy Finley Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Scott, thank you for responding. I will not delete the app in hopes of future adjustments. It seems as if no scanning app on a mobile phone works as well as larger scanners guess that’s to be expected. I will go write something on your blog later. Have a good day! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Sherlock Holmes Of OCR Apps Sandy, I am the one that wrote this blog post, and I completely agree with you about the tapping to start the scan issue. I think that is important to remember that this is the first version of this app, and it might be a good idea if those of us who have bought this app contact the developer with our comments so that they will know what some of our issues with the app is. I for one have had very good results with Text Detective and have no trouble recommending it to others. I really do appreciate your comments and if you didn't leave a comment on our blog would you please do so? This is how we will be able to keep track of how many people we are getting to read our blog posts. If you have any suggestions as to an app or something with the iPhone that I can write please let me know and I will see if I can put a future post. together. Scott E. Rumery Assistive Technology Consultant Fedora Outlier LLC http://www.fedoraoutler.com Twiter: fedora_outlier Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fedoraoutlierllc On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Sandy Finley wrote: Vashaun, I think that any scanning app that requires us to tap the “start scanning” button while simultaneously attempting to hold the camera steady and straight is not considering the needs of those of us who are totally blind. It may work if you have enough vision to help you align, but it sure isn’t working for me! I am sorry I bought it. What scanning success I have had has been with either Prizmo, where one can use one’s voice to activate the camera shutter, or SayText, where I can tap the button prior to raising the camera. Sandy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
