Re: knfb reader

[Richard Turner]

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have 
announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, 
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here.
http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf





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> On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma"  wrote:
> 
> On twitter:
> The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
> compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone
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RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with 
the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had 
access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the various 
iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they release 
the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it hardly 
gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying, 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have 
announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, 
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here.

http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf













 





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On twitter:

The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone

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Re: knfb reader

[Gmail]

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait 
> with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. 
> KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on 
> the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if 
> they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the 
> public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just 
> saying,
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>  
> I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
> Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have 
> announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
> scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating 
> system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release 
> here.
> http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma"  wrote:
> 
> On twitter:
> The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
> compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone
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Re: knfb reader

[don bishop]

To me, the tip off was when they said it works with ios7 and above. 

Don


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Date: Friday, August 29, 2014 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: knfb reader

>
>
> At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
> some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> > On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> > 
> > Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait 
> > with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. 
> > KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on 
> > the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, 
> > if they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the 
> > public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just 
> > saying,
> >  
> > Regards,
> > Sieghard
> >  
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Richard Turner
> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: knfb reader
> >  
> > I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
> > Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec 
> > have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is 
> > being scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 
> > operating system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read 
> > full release here.
> > http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." -- Victor 
> > Hugo
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma"  wrote:
> > 
> > On twitter:
> > The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
> > compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone
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Re: knfb reader

[Jonathan Mosen]

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.
Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they 
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be 
released to developers right after the presentation.
That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would 
have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is 
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.
One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of 
the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail  wrote:

> At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
> some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait 
>> with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. 
>> KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on 
>> the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if 
>> they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the 
>> public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just 
>> saying,
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> OfRichard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>>  
>> I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
>> Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec 
>> have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
>> scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating 
>> system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release 
>> here.
>> http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma"  wrote:
>> 
>> On twitter:
>> The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
>> compatibility with new API's.http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone
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RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess
we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may
be announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
case they should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself
is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some
of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the
camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:





At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse.
KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on
the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if
they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the
public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just
saying,

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec
have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating
system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release
here.

 <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf>
http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
















 






"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com>
trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

On twitter:

The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full
compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> http://knfbreader.com
#Apple #iPHone

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Re: knfb reader

[Kelly Pierce]

Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
the extraordinary.  I’m waiting to learn about actual end user
experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.

Kelly




On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
>
>
> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
> on
> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
> guess
> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may
> be announced on the 9th as well.
>
>
>
> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
> but
> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
> with
> iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
> case they should just say so.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
>
> I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
> about the 10th.
>
> Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
> they
> have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be
> released to developers right after the presentation.
>
> That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
> would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself
> is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.
>
> One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some
> of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the
> camera.
>
> Jonathan Mosen
>
> Mosen Consulting
>
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>
> http://Mosen.org
>
>
>
> On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail  <mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually
> held
> some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ari
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
> siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait
> with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse.
> KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on
> the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case,
> if
> they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the
> public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just
> saying,
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> OfRichard Turner
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
> To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
>
> I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:
>
> 

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways 
to Sunday.



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
the extraordinary.  I’m waiting to learn about actual end user
experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.

Kelly




On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Jonathan,



Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
guess
we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch 
may

be announced on the 9th as well.



Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
case they should just say so.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader



I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
they
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will 
be

released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS 
itself
is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 
17th.


One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using 
some
of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to 
the

camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org



On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:





At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually
held
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.





Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse.
KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app 
on

the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case,
if
they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the
public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just
saying,



Regards,

Sieghard



From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To:  <mail

RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as 
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the 
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to $50 
for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the 
Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up and 
a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that KNFB 
Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might use it 
here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. For me 
being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is definitely 
worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at least 10% or 
even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back to school they 
should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways 
to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
the extraordinary.  I’m waiting to learn about actual end user
experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.

Kelly




On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
>
>
> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
> on
> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
> guess
> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch 
> may
> be announced on the 9th as well.
>
>
>
> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
> but
> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
> with
> iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
> case they should just say so.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
>
> I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
> about the 10th.
>
> Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
> they
> have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will 
> be
> released to developers right after the presentation.
>
> That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
> would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS 
> itself
> is released about a week lat

Re: knfb reader

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone?  Andy and Shubert

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on 
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess 
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the 
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be 
announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually 
protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the 
hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that 
certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 
unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they 
should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they 
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be 
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would 
have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is 
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of 
the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail  wrote:





  At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

   

   

  Thanks,

  Ari


  On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait 
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB 
had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the 
various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they 
release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it 
hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying,

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec 
have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, 
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here.

http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf
















 






  "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor 
Hugo

   

  Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma"  wrote:

  On twitter:

  The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
compatibility with new API's.http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone

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RE: knfb reader

[Richard Turner]

Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we 
won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement.

Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models of 
iPad that are 64 bit.

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone?  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on 
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess 
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the 
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be 
announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually 
protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the 
hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that 
certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 
unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they 
should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they 
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be 
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would 
have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is 
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of 
the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> 
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait with 
the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had 
access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the various 
iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they release 
the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it hardly 
gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying,

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec have 
announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, 
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release here.

 <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf> 
http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf













 





"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com> 
trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

On twitter:

The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> http://knfbreader.com 
#Apple #iPHone

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Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

I think before I shell out that kind of money, I'll wait to see what you and 
others have to say after you've had the chance to spend some quality time 
with it.



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as 
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the 
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to 
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of 
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that 
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to 
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I 
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it 
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free 
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get 
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift 
card. With back to school they should be around.



Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Paganelli

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
the extraordinary.  I’m waiting to learn about actual end user
experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.

Kelly




On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Jonathan,



Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
guess
we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch
may
be announced on the 9th as well.



Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
case they should just say so.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@google

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

I know my iPad Air is 64 bit along with my 5s so I should be in good shape.

Can anybody recommend a a good air printer?  I'm leaning toward a multi 
functional printer but it has to be air print capable.  And, what about 
accessibility?  Does anybody have one and can shed some light on the topic of 
air printers?


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on: 
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:51 AM
  Subject: RE: knfb reader


  Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we 
won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement.

  Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models of 
iPad that are 64 bit.

  Richard

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: knfb reader

   

  Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone?  Andy and Shubert

   

  From: Sieghard Weitzel 

  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: RE: knfb reader

   

  Hi Jonathan,

   

  Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on 
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess 
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the 
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be 
announced on the 9th as well.

   

  Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually 
protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the 
hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that 
certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 
unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they 
should just say so.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: knfb reader

   

  I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.

  Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they 
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be 
released to developers right after the presentation.

  That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they 
would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is 
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

  One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some 
of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the 
camera.

  Jonathan Mosen

  Mosen Consulting

  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

  http://Mosen.org

   

  On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail  wrote:

   

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually 
held some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

  Well, that’s one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait 
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. KNFB 
had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on the 
various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if they 
release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the public it 
hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just saying,

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
OfRichard Turner
  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: knfb reader

   

  I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

  Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec 
have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being 
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating system, 
expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read 

Re: knfb reader

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Sieghard.

Do you know if danish is one of the supported languages.

I thing I will invest the money, but unfortunately we do not have a back to 
school sale in Denmark.

Best regards Annie.
Den 30/08/2014 kl. 18.25 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :

> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as 
> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the 
> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to 
> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of the 
> Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that up 
> and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to that 
> KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I might 
> use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it with me. 
> For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free hand is 
> definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get this for at 
> least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift card. With back 
> to school they should be around.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways 
> to Sunday.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
> release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
> right after release, don't upgrade properly, and then complain about
> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
> folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
> marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
> vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
> weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
> learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.
> 
> I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
> needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
> causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
> meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
> slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
> the extraordinary.  I'm waiting to learn about actual end user
> experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
> KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
>> on
>> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
>> guess
>> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
>> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
>> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch 
>> may
>> be announced on the 9th as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
>> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
>> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
>> but
>> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
>> with
>> iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
>> case they should just say so.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sieghard
>> 
&g

RE: knfb reader

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Sieghard.

 

I tend to agree with you in that it's a lame excuse but it is what it is.
Hopefully it will be worth the wait and price. Personally, I'll be waiting a
while to see what others report. Right now, I'm chomping at the bit for an
iWatch that will hopefully have a decent sounding speaker and work with VO
and Siri.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess
we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may
be announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
case they should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself
is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some
of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the
camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait
with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse.
KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app on
the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, if
they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the
public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just
saying,

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfRichard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site:

Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec
have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is being
scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating
system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full release
here.

 <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf>
http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf













 





"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com>
trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

On twitter:

The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full
compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> http://knfbreader.com
#Apple #iPHone

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RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, I have not looked for a list of supported languages, but in their
demo they did say it should launch in quite a few countries right from the
start.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Annie Skov Nielsen
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Hi Sieghard.

Do you know if danish is one of the supported languages.

I thing I will invest the money, but unfortunately we do not have a back to
school sale in Denmark.

Best regards Annie.
Den 30/08/2014 kl. 18.25 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :

> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 
> ways to Sunday.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format 
> formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for
listening!
> 
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at 
> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the 
> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the 
> release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app 
> right after release, don't upgrade properly, and then complain about 
> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage 
> folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a 
> marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on 
> vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This 
> weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is 
> learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.
> 
> I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and 
> needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, 
> causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly 
> meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it 
> slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and 
> the extraordinary.  I'm waiting to learn about actual end user 
> experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people 
> KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the 
>> public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday 
>> the 19th. I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there 
>> will be a 4.7 inch and a
>> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now 
>> with the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an 
>> iWatch may be announced on the 9th as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to 
>> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with 
>> these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 
>> even better, but that certainly is n

RE: knfb reader

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Alan.

 

I have 2 AirPlay compatible printers, one is an HP multi-function inkjet, and 
the other is an HP LaserJet 1102w. They both work very well but I use the 
LaserJet more often because it’s cheaper per page and I don’t care about color, 
just good print.

 

The multi-function is still a very cool printer because besides printing, you 
can also scan wirelessly so you can place the printer where ever you want after 
it’s been configured without having to worry about anything except having an AC 
outlet for the printer.  The LaserJet 1102w was $90 at the time on Amazon. The 
HP multi-function believe it or not was $39 on a Black Friday deal last year.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I know my iPad Air is 64 bit along with my 5s so I should be in good shape.

 

Can anybody recommend a a good air printer?  I'm leaning toward a multi 
functional printer but it has to be air print capable.  And, what about 
accessibility?  Does anybody have one and can shed some light on the topic of 
air printers?

 

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner <mailto:rich...@turner42.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:51 AM

Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we 
won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement.

Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models of 
iPad that are 64 bit.

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone?  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public on 
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess 
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the 
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be 
announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to actually 
protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these under the 
hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but that 
certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with iOS 7 
unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case they 
should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and they 
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will be 
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they would 
have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS itself is 
released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using some of 
the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to the camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually held 
some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> 
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Well, that’s one w

RE: knfb reader

[Richard Turner]

Danish is listed in the announcement I just forwarded to the list about
TechTalk on September 8.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Annie Skov Nielsen
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Hi Sieghard.

Do you know if danish is one of the supported languages.

I thing I will invest the money, but unfortunately we do not have a back to
school sale in Denmark.

Best regards Annie.
Den 30/08/2014 kl. 18.25 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :

> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6
ways 
> to Sunday.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my 
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
> release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
> right after release, don't upgrade properly, and then complain about
> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
> folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
> marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
> vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
> weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
> learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.
> 
> I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
> needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
> causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
> meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
> slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
> the extraordinary.  I'm waiting to learn about actual end user
> experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
> KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
>> on
>> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
>> guess
>> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and
a
>> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now
with
>> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch 
>> may
>> be announced on the 9th as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
>> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with
these
>> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
>> but
>> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
&

Re: knfb reader

[Kelly Pierce]

I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly




On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
> card. With back to school they should be around.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>
> to Sunday.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
> release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
> right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
> folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
> marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
> vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
> weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
> learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.
>
> I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
> needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
> causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
> meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
> slice brea

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

Thanks for this Rick! I can start looking at them then.  I think I would feel 
more comfortable going to a store to see them rather then to order one online 
sight unseen.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on: 
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Alfaro 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:47 AM
  Subject: RE: knfb reader


  Hi Alan.

   

  I have 2 AirPlay compatible printers, one is an HP multi-function inkjet, and 
the other is an HP LaserJet 1102w. They both work very well but I use the 
LaserJet more often because it’s cheaper per page and I don’t care about color, 
just good print.

   

  The multi-function is still a very cool printer because besides printing, you 
can also scan wirelessly so you can place the printer where ever you want after 
it’s been configured without having to worry about anything except having an AC 
outlet for the printer.  The LaserJet 1102w was $90 at the time on Amazon. The 
HP multi-function believe it or not was $39 on a Black Friday deal last year.

   

   

   

  Best regards,

   

  Rick Alfaro

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
  Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:11 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: knfb reader

   

  I know my iPad Air is 64 bit along with my 5s so I should be in good shape.

   

  Can anybody recommend a a good air printer?  I'm leaning toward a multi 
functional printer but it has to be air print capable.  And, what about 
accessibility?  Does anybody have one and can shed some light on the topic of 
air printers?

   

   

  Regards,

   

  Alan

   

  Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

   

  Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

   

  Please click on: 
  HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
  There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
  the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:51 AM

    Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Yes, but you won’t get the Alex voice and perhaps some other things that we 
won’t really know until Apple does their big announcement.

Alex will only be on the newer 64 bit devices, like the 5S and the models 
of iPad that are 64 bit.

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Am I going to be able to install ios 8 with my 4s iphone?  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

    Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public 
on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I guess 
we’ll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 
inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with the 
larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch may be 
announced on the 9th as well.

 

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to 
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these 
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, but 
that certainly is not a reason why the app can’t be released for the 5S with 
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which case 
they should just say so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or 
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and 
they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will 
be released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find ab

RE: knfb reader

[Richard Turner]

No one should compare free hand scanning with a flatbed scanner.  That is like 
comparing apples and oranges.
However, if one uses a stand for the iPhone like either the Giraffe Reader or 
the Standscan, then you can get equal results with Prizmo as with a flatbed 
scanner; i.e. 100 percent accuracy if the printed document is extremely good.

The true comparison will come when someone uses Prizmo or TextGrabber and the 
KNFB Reader app free hand.  

JMO,
Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly




On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
> card. With back to school they should be around.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>
> to Sunday.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
> release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
> right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
&g

Re: knfb reader

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Richard.

Thank you for the information.

I have looked at their site, it looks interesting. Do you know if braille is 
supported? It ought to be, but when using AT&T, speech it could be without 
braille support.

Best regards Annie.
Den 30/08/2014 kl. 20.32 skrev Richard Turner :

> No one should compare free hand scanning with a flatbed scanner.  That is 
> like comparing apples and oranges.
> However, if one uses a stand for the iPhone like either the Giraffe Reader or 
> the Standscan, then you can get equal results with Prizmo as with a flatbed 
> scanner; i.e. 100 percent accuracy if the printed document is extremely good.
> 
> The true comparison will come when someone uses Prizmo or TextGrabber and the 
> KNFB Reader app free hand.  
> 
> JMO,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
> does this effectively.
> 
> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
> product functionality.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>> 
>> to Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros

Re: knfb reader

[Mich Verrier]

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
Mich.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly




On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on 
the

list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add 
that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared 
to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while 
I

might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 
ways


to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my


website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate n

Re: knfb reader

[David Chittenden]

Yes, the camera is not good enough. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
> Mich.
> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
> does this effectively.
> 
> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
> product functionality.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>> 
>> to Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>> 
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> 
>> Given all of the many 

RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different from 
that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader would not 
work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
> Mich.
> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
> does this effectively.
> 
> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
> product functionality.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>> 
>> to Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances p

Re: knfb reader

[David Chittenden]

Slower processor, less ram, slower internal bus for data throughput, and so 
forth. They were going to support the 4s. That changed after testing. Means, 
app is very processor intensive. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 31 Aug 2014, at 17:09, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> Yes, the camera is not good enough. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>> 
>> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
>> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
>> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
>> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
>> Mich.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> 
>> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
>> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
>> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
>> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
>> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
>> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
>> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
>> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
>> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
>> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
>> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
>> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
>> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
>> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
>> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
>> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
>> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
>> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
>> does this effectively.
>> 
>> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
>> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
>> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
>> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
>> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
>> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
>> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
>> product functionality.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>&g

Re: knfb reader

[Christopher Chaltain]

I guess I tend to take what people and companies say at face value. I 
guess I also don't see what the value is in spending energy dissecting 
what a company says and speculating what's really going on behind the 
scenes. Whether a company announces in July that a product will be 
released at the end of August or whether they announce in August it'll 
be coming out in mid-September, it'll still be coming out when it comes out.


From my experience, upgrades are quite tricky and hard to test. Who 
knows what API changes Apple is making from IOS 7 to IOS 8 and what code 
paths KNFB has in it to work well on both versions. Sure, KNFB can be 
testing upgrades now with the beta of IOS 8, but how many combinations 
of models, memory, other applications and so on can they test. It makes 
sense to me that they'd wait until IOS 8 comes out. This gives them more 
time to test and it means a lot of people will be upgrading to IOS 8 
before installing KNFB, eliminating a lot of potential problems. I seem 
to recall a handful of apps had trouble transitioning from IOS 6 to IOS 7.


Companies are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Didn't we have 
a discussion on this list after IOS 7 came out that Apple should have 
held it off a bit to get more testing in and fix more accessibility 
bugs? Apple places a lot on their big events, so they're not going to 
slip a IOS release, unless it's a major dead on arrival kind of a bug. 
KNFB seems like they're willing to take a hit a bit on postponing their 
release, which by the way means delaying their revenue stream, and maybe 
they're doing this to get a better and more stable product out the door. 
I'm willing to wait a few weeks if it means dealing with fewer issues. 
I'm sure KNFB didn't make this decision lightly, and I'm sure they had 
some very smart people looking at some numbers and making a very tough 
decision.


On 08/30/2014 12:37 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Hi Sieghard.

I tend to agree with you in that it's a lame excuse but it is what it
is. Hopefully it will be worth the wait and price. Personally, I'll be
waiting a while to see what others report. Right now, I'm chomping at
the bit for an iWatch that will hopefully have a decent sounding speaker
and work with VO and Siri.

Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 10:00 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: knfb reader

Hi Jonathan,

Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the
public on Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the
19^th . I guess we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will
be a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7
inch model for now with the larger one to follow later. I also heard
rumours now that an iWatch may be announced on the 9^th as well.

Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with
these under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even
better, but that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released
for the 5S with iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to
the public in which case they should just say so.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen
*Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: knfb reader

I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on
or about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
they have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8
will be released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and
they would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The
iOS itself is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release
day the 17th.

One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using
some of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood
changes to the camera.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail mailto:englishride...@gmail.com>> wrote:

At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's
release actually held some water, but now that I have read your
message, I agree with you.

Thanks,

Ari


On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The
argument to wait with the release until iOS 8 is released is in
my opinion just an excuse. KNFB had access to iOS 

Re: knfb reader

[Jonathan Mosen]

This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are hooking 
into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by the 4S.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> Yes, the camera is not good enough. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>> 
>> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
>> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
>> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
>> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
>> Mich.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> 
>> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
>> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
>> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
>> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
>> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
>> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
>> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
>> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
>> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
>> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
>> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
>> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
>> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
>> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
>> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
>> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
>> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
>> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
>> does this effectively.
>> 
>> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
>> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
>> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
>> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
>> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
>> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
>> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
>> product functionality.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Saturd

Re: knfb reader

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

   Hi, I read that the reader will work with the 4s but with less accuracy 
I believe it will work and I am hoping that with much ease than with Prizmo 
and text detector.  Andy and Shubert.
I have to wait for another year to upgrade to the 5s.  It ill be a year on 
the 15th of September that I got this 4s.  I wish I waited a bit longer.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
would not work on the iPhone 4S.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of David Chittenden

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you 
are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure 
I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this 
app. from Mich.

- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly





On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on 
the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 
to

$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add 
that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared 
to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while 
I

might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results 
free

hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 
ways


to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my


website are s

Re: knfb reader

[Alex Hall]

My understanding is that it isn't just the megapiels. A lot has to do with the 
actual sensor - how much light it can pick up, how wide the field is, and so 
on. Then, even more depends on post-capture processing by the phone's graphics 
processor. The 4S has pretty weak graphics processing compared to the 5 and 
later, and its sensor is just not as good. I'm sure there are articles online 
that go into way more detail, but that's the basic idea, again as I understand 
it.
On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:

>   Hi, I read that the reader will work with the 4s but with less accuracy I 
> believe it will work and I am hoping that with much ease than with Prizmo and 
> text detector.  Andy and Shubert.
> I have to wait for another year to upgrade to the 5s.  It ill be a year on 
> the 15th of September that I got this 4s.  I wish I waited a bit longer.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: knfb reader
> 
> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> Yes, the camera is not good enough.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>> 
>> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
>> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
>> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
>> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
>> Mich.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> 
>> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
>> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
>> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
>> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
>> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
>> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
>> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
>> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
>> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
>> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
>> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
>> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
>> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
>> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
>> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
>> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
>> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
>> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
>> does this effectively.
>> 
>> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
>> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
>> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
>> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
>> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
>> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
>> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
>> product functionality.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and c

RE: knfb reader

[Alan Lemly]

So does this mean KNFB Reader will require iOS 8 to run?

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are
hooking into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by
the 4S.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:





The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone




On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are
right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am
not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from
Mich.
- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly







On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways

to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances pla

RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Well, another reason to update my 4S which has a flaky home button, just
have to figure out how to get there.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are
hooking into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by
the 4S.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:





The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone




On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are
right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am
not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from
Mich.
- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly







On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways

to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and 

Re: knfb reader

[Russ Kiehne]

Or they have the option of buying the Blaze EZ from HIMS for $750.00.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as 
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the 
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to 
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of 
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that 
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to 
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I 
might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it 
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free 
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get 
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift 
card. With back to school they should be around.



Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Paganelli

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is
learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer.

I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and
needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July,
causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly
meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it
slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and
the extraordinary.  I’m waiting to learn about actual end user
experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people
KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app.

Kelly




On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Jonathan,



Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public
on
Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I
guess
we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and a
5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now with
the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch
may
be announced on the 9th as well.



Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to
actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with these
under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better,
but
that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S
with
iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which
case they should just say so.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader



I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on or
about the 10th.

Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and
they
have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will
be
released to developers right after the presentation.

That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they
would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS
itself
is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the
17th.

Re: knfb reader

[Alex Hall]

No, from what I've read, iOS7 will be supported. However, iOS8 offers finer 
control over the camera, so it wouldn't surprise me to see iOS8 devices getting 
better results. That's pure speculation on my part, though.
On Aug 31, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

> So does this mean KNFB Reader will require iOS 8 to run?
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>  
> This goes back to what I posted yesterday. I understand that they are hooking 
> into certain iOS 8 API features, some of which are not supported by the 4S.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>  
> On 31/08/2014, at 5:09 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> Yes, the camera is not good enough. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are 
> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am 
> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from 
> Mich.
> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
> does this effectively.
> 
> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
> product functionality.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
> this

Re: knfb reader

[Russ Kiehne]

And those of us who don't have an iphone and have an Ipod touch 5th 
generation will not be able to use it.


-Original Message- 
From: Mich Verrier

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are
right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am
not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from
Mich.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly




On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on 
the

list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add 
that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared 
to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while 
I

might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 
ways


to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my


website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at
WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the
NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the
release of iOS8.  Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app
right after release, don’t upgrade properly, and then complain about
the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage
folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a
marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on
vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This
weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The

Re: knfb reader

[Ben Blatchford]

Hi,
Does anyone have the presentation that was given yesterday at the nfb live 
site? I wasn't able to attend it.
thanks,
Ben

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:52 AM, "Russ Kiehne"  wrote:
> 
> And those of us who don't have an iphone and have an Ipod touch 5th 
> generation will not be able to use it.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you are
> right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure I am
> not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this app. from
> Mich.
> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
> 
> 
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
> does this effectively.
> 
> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
> product functionality.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
>> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the
>> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to
>> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
>> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that
>> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to
>> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I
>> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
>> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free
>> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
>> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
>> card. With back to school they should be around.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>> 
>> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways
>> 
>> to Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>>

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5 
megapixel camera.



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
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- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
would not work on the iPhone 4S.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of David Chittenden

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you 
are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure 
I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this 
app. from Mich.

- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
does this effectively.

I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
product functionality.

Kelly





On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as
advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on 
the
list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 
to

$50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of
the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add 
that
up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared 
to
that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while 
I

might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it
with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results 
free

hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get
this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift
card. With back to school they should be around.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 
ways


to Sunday.


Regards,

Alan

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Re: knfb reader

[Kelly Pierce]

When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key
portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones.  With a camera that
preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming
obvious.

The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows
why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead
of a 5S.  Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier
later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the
current version now and upgrading less frequently.

Kelly



On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5
> megapixel camera.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
> Subject: RE: knfb reader
>
>
> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
> Yes, the camera is not good enough.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>>
>> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
>> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you
>> are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure
>>
>> I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this
>> app. from Mich.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>>
>>
>> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
>> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
>> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
>> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
>> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
>> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
>> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
>> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
>> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
>> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
>> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
>> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
>> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
>> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
>> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
>> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
>> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
>> other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app
>> does this effectively.
>>
>> I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more
>> information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said
>> the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question.  Now,
>> it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5
>> series and iPhone 6.  I can imagine that final beta testing revealed
>> that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough
>> performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised
>> prod

Re: knfb reader

[Chuck Dean]

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it. 
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader. 
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. 

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RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Alan,

The iPhone 3GS had a 3 MP camera, the iPhone 4 had a 5 MP and the iPhone 4S, 5, 
5C and 5S all have an 8 MP camera. It is correct, however, that the same 8 MP 
camera on the 5S is better than that on the 4S or 5 since the sensor has larger 
pixels and it has the 2-tone flash which yields better results in low light. 
And yes, I can see how the processing of the image is best on a 5S and better 
on a 5 or 5C than it is on the 4S and of course it will yet be better on the 
various iPhone 6 models which besides getting the A8 chip most likely will 
feature a 13 MP camera.

I am not sure where you get the 8.5 Megapixel number, not that 8 MP or 8.5 MP 
would mnake a big difference, but here is part of a description of the 5S 
eyesight camera followed by the link to the entire article:

The new iSight camera on iPhone 5s builds on the iPhone 5 camera in ways that 
make a real difference to your photos. It captures beautiful images at 8 
megapixels.
What makes them beautiful is a redesigned camera sensor that allows for bigger 
pixels. Bigger pixels equal better photos. And better photos are precisely what 
inspired the advancements we made with the new iSight camera on iPhone 5s.

Larger sensor. Larger pixels. Larger aperture.
Light is one of the most important factors in getting a great photo. Not just 
how well your subject is lit, but how sensitive your camera’s sensor is to 
light.
Here’s how it works: A camera’s sensor — and the pixels on it — collect light. 
The larger the sensor and the larger the pixels, the more light is collected. 
And that translates to better, brighter images with truer colours and less 
noise.

https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5s/camera


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5 
megapixel camera.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different 
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader 
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>
> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the 
> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you 
> are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure 
> I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this 
> app. from Mich.
> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
>
> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
> degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
> being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
> are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
> times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
> reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
> The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
> that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
> at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
> been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
> of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
> lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspec

RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.  
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it. 
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader. 
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me. 

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Re: knfb reader

[Chuck Dean]

Hi Rose,
So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.
If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at
cadean...@gmail.com

or call or text at 480 381 2311

Sincerely,
Chuck Dean

*Chuck*



On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

> Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when
> one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have
> earphones.  Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get
> there without a hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to
> my elbows trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not
> junk.
> Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just
> never did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when
> my scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of
> that fixed now.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Dean
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
> Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my
> upgrade to replace it.
> Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another
> $99 for the KNFB Reader.
> If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.
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Re: knfb reader

[Andy Baracco]

Hi Rose,
I remember you from the days of GENIE. I often remember you talking of your 
husband. I am so sorry to read of his passing. You’re still working? oh well, 
so am I.

Take care,
Andy

From: Chuck Dean 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM
To: V Iphone list 
Subject: Re: knfb reader
Hi Rose,
So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.
If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com

or call or text at 480 381 2311

Sincerely,
Chuck Dean

Chuck




On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

  Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when 
one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
  Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
  Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: knfb reader

  Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my 
upgrade to replace it.
  Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
  If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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Oops sorry for the off topic. I thought this was a privet email when I 
replied.
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Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off 
putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if 
it hasn't come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human 
beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had 
just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss 
me out! 



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key
portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones.  With a camera that
preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming
obvious.

The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows
why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead
of a 5S.  Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier
later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the
current version now and upgrading less frequently.

Kelly



On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli  wrote:

I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5
megapixel camera.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
my


website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you
are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am 
sure


I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this
app. from Mich.
- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in the hand.  Some are expecting perfection or results that
are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20
times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and
reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology.
The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than
that of the original KNFB Reader.  This technology was widely praised
at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has
been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance
of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external
lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many
other people. I would like to read signs as I trave

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

I thought you were going to use another word other then darn that would have 
better described it! LOL!



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Rose Combs" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when 
one get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones. 
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without 
a hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows 
trying to figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that 
fixed now.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Dean

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my 
upgrade to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.

If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Oops!  Did not mean for that to go list-wide.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM
To: V Iphone list
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Hi Rose,

So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

 

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.

If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com

 

or call or text at 480 381 2311

 

Sincerely,

Chuck Dean




Chuck

 

 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

I am still in Scottsdale, my job is in Scottsdale and it is somedays the only 
reason I can get out of bed, LOL.  

 

Right now we are going through a lot of stuff, bikes, tools and I still have 
that trike we talked about earlier, it is running although it suffered a couple 
of minor accidents during his last several weeks so fenders are cracked… I plan 
to sell it maybe in winter to someone who winters here and would like it to get 
about in a RV community or something.  My one cousin is in a hurry, I am not, 
if it goes it does.  If not, well, financially I am okay, not over the top but 
okay.  

 

Have at least two if not three tandems, none in new shape but usable, one with 
a motor in its back wheel.  All with baskets to carry stuff in.  My nephew and 
cousin-in-law know more of the particulars than I do but two of them I know 
could be ridden last fall.  The recumbent trike may be a hard sell and I know I 
won’t get half of what he paid for it in June 2013.  Everyone says it is cute 
but … 

 

Since I am not planning on selling the house soon, I am not in a huge hurry to 
get rid of things, if they find good homes fine, if not, eventually well time 
will tell.  

 

This week it is time to replace the back portion of the fence, a must since the 
one out there is falling down.  Cousin-in-law and son are doing it.  After that 
I have plumbing issues that will have to be addressed, loads of them in a 
50-year-old house, then … I have no clue.  

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM
To: V Iphone list
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Hi Rose,

So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

 

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.

If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com

 

or call or text at 480 381 2311

 

Sincerely,

Chuck Dean




Chuck

 

 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Tom had a very prolonged illness from 2009 to 2014.  He passed May 30, and it 
is good to know he is not in pain any longer but he surely is missed.  He had 
necrosis of the pancreas they think from a whooping cough shot he got only a 
couple of days before he became ill.  Since then I have seen loads of cases 
with the same reaction, something they did to the formula I gather.  

 

I am still working, still in medical transcription, started my 39th year at the 
hospital in August.  

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Hi Rose,

I remember you from the days of GENIE. I often remember you talking of your 
husband. I am so sorry to read of his passing. You’re still working? oh well, 
so am I.

 

Take care,

Andy

 

From: Chuck Dean <mailto:cadean...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM

To: V Iphone list <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: knfb reader

Hi Rose,

So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

 

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.

If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com

 

or call or text at 480 381 2311

 

Sincerely,

Chuck Dean

 

Chuck

 

 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks 
and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be 
for me.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off 
putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if 
it hasn't come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human 
beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had 
just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss 
me out! 


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

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Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key
portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones.  With a camera that
preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming
obvious.

The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows
why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead
of a 5S.  Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier
later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the
current version now and upgrading less frequently.

Kelly



On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5
> megapixel camera.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
> on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
> my
>
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
> Subject: RE: knfb reader
>
>
> The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
> from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
> would not work on the iPhone 4S.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>
> Yes, the camera is not good enough.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>>
>> as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
>> presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you
>> are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am 
>> sure
>>
>> I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this
>> app. from Mich.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: knfb reader
>>
>>
>> I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
>> flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
>> inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
>> millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
>> with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
>> Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
>> degrees from 

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

Yes, your quite correct my friend.  It's my sons new Android phone he got 
which has an 8.5 megapixel camera.  He spent 30 or 40 minutes bragging about 
it to me but you know how 23 yearolds are. 



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


Hi Alan,

The iPhone 3GS had a 3 MP camera, the iPhone 4 had a 5 MP and the iPhone 4S, 
5, 5C and 5S all have an 8 MP camera. It is correct, however, that the same 
8 MP camera on the 5S is better than that on the 4S or 5 since the sensor 
has larger pixels and it has the 2-tone flash which yields better results in 
low light. And yes, I can see how the processing of the image is best on a 
5S and better on a 5 or 5C than it is on the 4S and of course it will yet be 
better on the various iPhone 6 models which besides getting the A8 chip most 
likely will feature a 13 MP camera.


I am not sure where you get the 8.5 Megapixel number, not that 8 MP or 8.5 
MP would mnake a big difference, but here is part of a description of the 5S 
eyesight camera followed by the link to the entire article:


The new iSight camera on iPhone 5s builds on the iPhone 5 camera in ways 
that make a real difference to your photos. It captures beautiful images at 
8 megapixels.
What makes them beautiful is a redesigned camera sensor that allows for 
bigger pixels. Bigger pixels equal better photos. And better photos are 
precisely what inspired the advancements we made with the new iSight camera 
on iPhone 5s.


Larger sensor. Larger pixels. Larger aperture.
Light is one of the most important factors in getting a great photo. Not 
just how well your subject is lit, but how sensitive your camera’s sensor is 
to light.
Here’s how it works: A camera’s sensor — and the pixels on it — collect 
light. The larger the sensor and the larger the pixels, the more light is 
collected. And that translates to better, brighter images with truer colours 
and less noise.


https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5s/camera


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Paganelli

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5
megapixel camera.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you
are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am sure
I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this
app. from Mich.
- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera
millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit
with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface.
Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180
degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone
being held in 

Re: knfb reader

[Alan Paganelli]

If all else being equal, I would advise holding off for the iPhone 6.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: "Rose Combs" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:16 AM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button 
sticks and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 
whatever will be for me.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Paganelli

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off
putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if
it hasn't come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human
beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now.
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had
just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss
me out! 


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key
portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones.  With a camera that
preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming
obvious.

The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows
why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead
of a 5S.  Being locked into last year’s technology will be costlier
later when future upgrade costs are considered compared to buying the
current version now and upgrading less frequently.

Kelly



On 8/31/14, Alan Paganelli  wrote:

I believe the 4 and the 4s have a 3.2 megapixel camera.  The 5s has an 8.5
megapixel camera.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my

website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader


The 4S still has an 8 MP camera and I don't think it's that much different
from that of the 5 and even the 5S so I don't understand why KNFB Reader
would not work on the iPhone 4S.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Yes, the camera is not good enough.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Mich Verrier  wrote:

as some one who has a 4s I was very sad to hear that according to the
presentation earlier today on nfblive or what ever it is called yes you
are right it will only work on the 5 and above witch sucks since I am
sure

I am not the only blind person who has a 4s who is wanting to use this
app. from Mich.
- Original Message - From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality
flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18
inches above it does

Re: knfb reader

[Mike Arrigo]

That makes sense, I think apple is introducing new camera apis with version 8
On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Trea Abma  wrote:

> On twitter:
> The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full 
> compatibility with new API's. http://knfbreader.com #Apple #iPHone
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RE: knfb reader

[Vicki Howell]

Hello Rose.  This is Vicki Howell, or Miss Vicki, and I am truly sorry about 
your loss.  I hope that you can get all of the help that you need.  I wish that 
I was there, I would definitely help you.  If you need to talk, or if I can 
help in any way, please don’t hesitate to get in touch with me.  You can ask 
Robert Lewis for  my number, or I will put it on the line.  Again, so sorry for 
your loss. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

I am still in Scottsdale, my job is in Scottsdale and it is somedays the only 
reason I can get out of bed, LOL.  

 

Right now we are going through a lot of stuff, bikes, tools and I still have 
that trike we talked about earlier, it is running although it suffered a couple 
of minor accidents during his last several weeks so fenders are cracked… I plan 
to sell it maybe in winter to someone who winters here and would like it to get 
about in a RV community or something.  My one cousin is in a hurry, I am not, 
if it goes it does.  If not, well, financially I am okay, not over the top but 
okay.  

 

Have at least two if not three tandems, none in new shape but usable, one with 
a motor in its back wheel.  All with baskets to carry stuff in.  My nephew and 
cousin-in-law know more of the particulars than I do but two of them I know 
could be ridden last fall.  The recumbent trike may be a hard sell and I know I 
won’t get half of what he paid for it in June 2013.  Everyone says it is cute 
but … 

 

Since I am not planning on selling the house soon, I am not in a huge hurry to 
get rid of things, if they find good homes fine, if not, eventually well time 
will tell.  

 

This week it is time to replace the back portion of the fence, a must since the 
one out there is falling down.  Cousin-in-law and son are doing it.  After that 
I have plumbing issues that will have to be addressed, loads of them in a 
50-year-old house, then … I have no clue.  

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM
To: V Iphone list
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Hi Rose,

So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

 

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.

If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at 
cadean...@gmail.com <mailto:cadean...@gmail.com> 

 

or call or text at 480 381 2311

 

Sincerely,

Chuck Dean




Chuck

 

 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs mailto:roseco...@q.com> > wrote:

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can work around a broken home button quite easily.
Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility.
This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu".
I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it 
around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is 
what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the 
physical home button is.
Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, 
double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can 
do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get 
the following options:

SIRI
FaVorites
DeVice
Home

SIRI of course will activate SIRI.
The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom 
gestures.
Device has the following options:
Lock screen
Rotate Screen
More
Back
Volume Down
Volume Up

The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the 
App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you 
find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power 
and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there.

It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher 
since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on 
Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which 
allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod 
/Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on 
an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. 
This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy 
at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not 
all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works 
perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now 
also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once 
the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or 
maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be 
worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by 
doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. 


Regards,
Sieghard

other at this point it doesn'better than I agr
, you can 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks 
and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be 
for me.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off 
putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if 
it hasn't come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human 
beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had 
just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss 
me out! 


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, the future is today with the KNFB reader, as key
portions of iOS 8 are not supported for 4S phones.  With a camera that
preforms poorly in low light, the limitations of the 4S are becoming
obvious.

The dropping of the 4S from KNFB’s lineup of supported phones shows
why it is foolish to buy old technology, such as getting a 5C instead
of a 5S.  Being locke

RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Thank you, coping as best I can, some days okay, others not so good.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki Howell
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 7:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

Hello Rose.  This is Vicki Howell, or Miss Vicki, and I am truly sorry about 
your loss.  I hope that you can get all of the help that you need.  I wish that 
I was there, I would definitely help you.  If you need to talk, or if I can 
help in any way, please don’t hesitate to get in touch with me.  You can ask 
Robert Lewis for  my number, or I will put it on the line.  Again, so sorry for 
your loss. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

 

I am still in Scottsdale, my job is in Scottsdale and it is somedays the only 
reason I can get out of bed, LOL.  

 

Right now we are going through a lot of stuff, bikes, tools and I still have 
that trike we talked about earlier, it is running although it suffered a couple 
of minor accidents during his last several weeks so fenders are cracked… I plan 
to sell it maybe in winter to someone who winters here and would like it to get 
about in a RV community or something.  My one cousin is in a hurry, I am not, 
if it goes it does.  If not, well, financially I am okay, not over the top but 
okay.  

 

Have at least two if not three tandems, none in new shape but usable, one with 
a motor in its back wheel.  All with baskets to carry stuff in.  My nephew and 
cousin-in-law know more of the particulars than I do but two of them I know 
could be ridden last fall.  The recumbent trike may be a hard sell and I know I 
won’t get half of what he paid for it in June 2013.  Everyone says it is cute 
but … 

 

Since I am not planning on selling the house soon, I am not in a huge hurry to 
get rid of things, if they find good homes fine, if not, eventually well time 
will tell.  

 

This week it is time to replace the back portion of the fence, a must since the 
one out there is falling down.  Cousin-in-law and son are doing it.  After that 
I have plumbing issues that will have to be addressed, loads of them in a 
50-year-old house, then … I have no clue.  

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:48 PM
To: V Iphone list
Subject: Re: knfb reader

 

Hi Rose,

So sorry to hear about your loss. I remember he was having problems when we 
were talking about recumbent trikes last year.

 

Are you still in Scottsdale? I am still in Tempe.

If there is any thing I can do to help, please contact me at cadean...@gmail.com

 

or call or text at 480 381 2311

 

Sincerely,

Chuck Dean




Chuck

 

 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

Yes, my late husband dropped his 5 in the toilet most of it works but when one 
get a phone call you can't hear worth a darn unless you have earphones.  
Eventually I am trading it in as well as my 4S when I can get there without a 
hassle.  As it stands today and for a few weeks I am up to my elbows trying to 
figure out what to do with a lot of junk and some not junk.
Working full time, dealing with finances which are not terrible I just never 
did the bill paying before this summer and have had a few issues when my 
scanner was down, my computer gone ... Hopefully I have about 85% of that fixed 
now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

Unfortunately, my wife dropped her iPhone into the toilet and I used my upgrade 
to replace it.
Now I am going to have to pay $650 to upgrade to an iPhone 6 and another $99 
for the KNFB Reader.
If it in fact can scan in paperback books, it will be worth it to me.

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RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

It does not work well with Voice-over to my experience but, so far I am 
managing, hopefully in a month or so I can do more about it.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

You can work around a broken home button quite easily.
Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility.
This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu".
I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it 
around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is 
what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the 
physical home button is.
Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, 
double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can 
do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get 
the following options:

SIRI
FaVorites
DeVice
Home

SIRI of course will activate SIRI.
The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom 
gestures.
Device has the following options:
Lock screen
Rotate Screen
More
Back
Volume Down
Volume Up

The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the 
App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you 
find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power 
and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there.

It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher 
since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on 
Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which 
allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod 
/Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on 
an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. 
This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy 
at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not 
all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works 
perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now 
also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once 
the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or 
maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be 
worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by 
doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. 


Regards,
Sieghard

other at this point it doesn'better than I agr
, you can 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks 
and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be 
for me.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off 
putting the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if 
it hasn't come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human 
beings want what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had 
just waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss 
me out! 


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: knfb reader


When I decided to buy my first iPhone in 2012, I faced the choice of
the 4S or the new iPhone 5. What convinced me then was the knowledge
that the processor of the iPhone 5 was twice as fast as the processor
of the 4S. I believed then that this difference would enable new apps
to run on this powerful new phone that eventually could not run on the
4S. Apparently, th

RE: knfb reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Rose,

I have been using my wife's iPod Touch with the Assistive Touch menu for a 
while now and it works perfectly well in terms of functionality and 
accessibility. It's not as convenient as pressing, ddouble pressing or pressing 
and holding the home key, but it beats throwing the thing away.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

It does not work well with Voice-over to my experience but, so far I am 
managing, hopefully in a month or so I can do more about it.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

You can work around a broken home button quite easily.
Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility.
This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu".
I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it 
around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is 
what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the 
physical home button is.
Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, 
double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can 
do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get 
the following options:

SIRI
FaVorites
DeVice
Home

SIRI of course will activate SIRI.
The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom 
gestures.
Device has the following options:
Lock screen
Rotate Screen
More
Back
Volume Down
Volume Up

The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the 
App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you 
find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power 
and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there.

It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher 
since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on 
Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which 
allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod 
/Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on 
an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. 
This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy 
at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not 
all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works 
perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now 
also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once 
the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or 
maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be 
worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by 
doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. 


Regards,
Sieghard

other at this point it doesn'better than I agr , you can -Original 
Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks 
and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be 
for me.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting 
the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't 
come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want 
what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just 
waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! 



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the 
Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my website 
are still ava

RE: knfb reader

[Rose Combs]

Well I will try and keep my home button working for a few more weeks.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 7:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Hi Rose,

I have been using my wife's iPod Touch with the Assistive Touch menu for a 
while now and it works perfectly well in terms of functionality and 
accessibility. It's not as convenient as pressing, ddouble pressing or pressing 
and holding the home key, but it beats throwing the thing away.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

It does not work well with Voice-over to my experience but, so far I am 
managing, hopefully in a month or so I can do more about it.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

You can work around a broken home button quite easily.
Turn on Assistive Touch in Settings, General, Accessibility.
This puts a button on the screen which is called "Assistive Touch Menu".
I believe by default it is at the top left of the screen, but you can move it 
around. My wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen has a broken home button and that is 
what we did. We moved it to the bottom of the screen just above where the 
physical home button is.
Now if you want to do anything that involves the home button, e.g. exit an app, 
double tap it to bring up the app switcher, hold it to activate SIRI, you can 
do all of this from the assistive touch menu. Double tap the button and you get 
the following options:

SIRI
FaVorites
DeVice
Home

SIRI of course will activate SIRI.
The Favorites option is something we haven't used, it allows you to add custom 
gestures.
Device has the following options:
Lock screen
Rotate Screen
More
Back
Volume Down
Volume Up

The "More button" in the Device option is where you want to go to bring up the 
App Switcher, it is called "Multi-Tasking". Apart from that in that menu you 
find options to take a screenshot which normally you do by pressing the power 
and home buttons together and there are a couple other things in there.

It's a bit cumbersome if, for example, you want to bring up the app switcher 
since you would have to double tap the assistive touch menu, then double tap on 
Device, then on More and then on Multi Tasking. But it's a solution which 
allows you to use a device which otherwise would be useless. I took the iPod 
/Touch to an Apple Store and was told that they can't repair a home button on 
an iPod Touch although I believe they can repair or replace it on an iPhone. 
This iPod Touch is only a year and a half old and the only alternatives the guy 
at the Apple Store gave me was to give me a replacement for $150 which is not 
all that bad since it's a 32 Gig Fifth Gen iPod Touch, but since it works 
perfectly well apart from the home button I didn't want to do that just now 
also because I had it engraved at the time and we would lose that. Maybe once 
the new iPads are announced in October I'll sell it and buy an iPad Mini or 
maybe there will even be a sixth Generation iPod Touch this fall which will be 
worthwhile considering. Apple also told me I could always trade it in and by 
doing so get a 10% discount on whatever other device I would buy. 


Regards,
Sieghard

other at this point it doesn'better than I agr , you can -Original 
Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader

Well, I am waiting for the announcements so far, unless my home button sticks 
and can't be unstuck, after that I will decide if the 5s or 6 whatever will be 
for me.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader

I've said time and time again on this its that your always better off putting 
the money aside until you can get the top of the line model even if it hasn't 
come out yet.  It goes in one ear and out the other because human beings want 
what they want when they want it and they usually want it now. 
Playing keeping up with the Joneses usually costs you more then if you had just 
waited like the turtle and the rabbit. Lecture over, you may now cuss me out! 



Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a 

Re: KNFB READER

[Alex Hall]

The latest version is running well on my iPhone 5. You aren't testing iOS9, by 
any chance? There are no promises  if you're running a beta.
> On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did 
> work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.
>  
> Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work 
> with a 4S, please?
>  
> Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  
>  
> Carol P
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Re: KNFB READER

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

No, not testing but getting nowhere with my 4S.

Thanks anyway.

Anyone else out there can confirm or deny about the running of KNFB Reader on a 
4S right now?

Thanks.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 7:20 PM
  Subject: Re: KNFB READER


  The latest version is running well on my iPhone 5. You aren't testing iOS9, 
by any chance? There are no promises  if you're running a beta.

On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


Hi all,

A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, 
did work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.

Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work 
with a 4S, please?

Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  


Carol P



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Re: KNFB READER

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,
I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.
Matthew


Sent from my iPhone.
Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com


> On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did 
> work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.
>  
> Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work 
> with a 4S, please?
>  
> Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  
>  
> Carol P
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Re: KNFB READER

[gs]

While probably not necessary to post, I can't resist. With the first public 
beta of iOS9, KNFB Reader worked poorly. Mostly the problem was that it would 
not take a picture unless one went into settings and toggled the camera 
allowance at least once. This was not always necessary and also would not 
always work. I was really starting to get worried because I stupidly don't have 
a recent backup so will be forced to stay with the public betas until the 
release. Well, not necessarily forced but I don't want to have to start from a 
fresh 8.4.


Luckily, the problem seems to be solved at this point but I have only used it a 
couple of times.


On Jul 27, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Matthew Dyer  
wrote:

Hi,
I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.
Matthew


Sent from my iPhone.
Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 


On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did 
> work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.
>  
> Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work 
> with a 4S, please?
>  
> Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  
>  
> Carol P
>  
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Re: KNFB READER

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.

Thanks.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Matthew Dyer 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM
  Subject: Re: KNFB READER


  Hi,
  I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.
  Matthew



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ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com



  On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


Hi all,

A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, 
did work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.

Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work 
with a 4S, please?

Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  


Carol P


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RE: KNFB READER

[Richard Turner]

I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just fine 
on iOS 8.4.

 

Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.

 

Thanks.

 

Carol P

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.

Matthew

 

Sent from my iPhone. 

Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> 

 


On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
 ' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hi all,

 

A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did 
work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.

 

Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work with 
a 4S, please?

 

Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  

 

Carol P

 

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Re: KNFB READER

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the app.  
Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

Carol P

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  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM
  Subject: RE: KNFB READER


  I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just 
fine on iOS 8.4.

   

  Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?

   

  Richard

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.

   

  Thanks.

   

  Carol P

   

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.

Matthew

 

Sent from my iPhone. 

Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com

 


On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

  Hi all,

   

  A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, 
did work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.

   

  Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work 
with a 4S, please?

   

  Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  


   

  Carol P

   

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RE: KNFB READER

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Carol,

 

Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t 
accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but the 
app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you to 
take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the app.  
Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

 

Carol P

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just fine 
on iOS 8.4.

 

Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?

 

Richard

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.

 

Thanks.

 

Carol P

 

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From: Matthew Dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.

Matthew

 

Sent from my iPhone. 

Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> 

 


On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
 ' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hi all,

 

A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did 
work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.

 

Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work with 
a 4S, please?

 

Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  

 

Carol P

 

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Re: KNFB READER

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OK, I will.

Will come back having done both.

Carol P

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  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM
  Subject: RE: KNFB READER


  Carol,

   

  Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t 
accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but the 
app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you to 
take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the 
app.  Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

   

  Carol P

   

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From: Richard Turner 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

    Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just 
fine on iOS 8.4.

 

Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.

 

Thanks.

 

Carol P

 

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  From: Matthew Dyer 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

  Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  Hi,

  I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.

  Matthew

   

  Sent from my iPhone. 

  Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com

   


  On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via 
VIPhone  wrote:

Hi all,

 

A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, 
originally, did work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's 
not working.

 

Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to 
work with a 4S, please?

 

Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  


 

Carol P

 

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Re: KNFB READER

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.

Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my phone, 
but thanks for your help.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM
  Subject: RE: KNFB READER


  Carol,

   

  Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t 
accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but the 
app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you to 
take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the 
app.  Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

   

  Carol P

   

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

    Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just 
fine on iOS 8.4.

 

Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.

 

Thanks.

 

Carol P

 

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  From: Matthew Dyer 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

  Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  Hi,

  I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.

  Matthew

   

  Sent from my iPhone. 

  Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com

   


  On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via 
VIPhone  wrote:

Hi all,

 

A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, 
originally, did work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's 
not working.

 

Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to 
work with a 4S, please?

 

Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  


 

Carol P

 

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OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.

Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my phone, 
but thanks for your help.


Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM
  Subject: RE: KNFB READER


  Carol,

   

  Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t 
accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but the 
app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you to 
take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the 
app.  Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

   

  Carol P

   

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

    Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just 
fine on iOS 8.4.

 

Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.

 

Thanks.

 

Carol P

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Matthew Dyer 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

  Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  Hi,

  I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.

  Matthew

   

  Sent from my iPhone. 

  Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com

   


  On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via 
VIPhone  wrote:

Hi all,

 

A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, 
originally, did work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's 
not working.

 

Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to 
work with a 4S, please?

 

Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  


 

Carol P

 

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RE: KNFB READER

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you make sure you allow KNFB access to the camera? It should have asked, 
but make sure by going to Settings and Privacy, then check which apps are 
allowed to access the camera.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.

 

Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my phone, 
but thanks for your help.

 

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

Carol,

 

Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t 
accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but the 
app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you to 
take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the app.  
Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just fine 
on iOS 8.4.

 

Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.

 

Thanks.

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: Matthew Dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.

Matthew

 

Sent from my iPhone. 

Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> 

 


On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
 ' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hi all,

 

A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did 
work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.

 

Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work with 
a 4S, please?

 

Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  

 

Carol P

 

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RE: KNFB READER

[Karl Smith]

I have seen a lot of responses stating that the KNFB Reader is working on the 5 
and 5S but as I recall the original question was is it working on a 4S. I have 
a 4S and just went out to be sure I had the latest version of KNFB Reader and 
am running IOS 8.4. I just took a picture of a package and the label read very 
well. I think all the suggestions you have been getting are good and I don’t 
have any more but I wanted to be sure you knew that the software should be 
working. You might need to contact tech support.

 

Karl

 

 

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4304 South El Camino St.

Taylorsville, Utah 84129

 

Phone: 866-824-7885

Fax: 866-824-7885

E-mail: k...@axistech.net

Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com

 

Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech

 

My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

Did you make sure you allow KNFB access to the camera? It should have asked, 
but make sure by going to Settings and Privacy, then check which apps are 
allowed to access the camera.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.

 

Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my phone, 
but thanks for your help.

 

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

Carol,

 

Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t 
accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but the 
app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you to 
take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the app.  
Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just fine 
on iOS 8.4.

 

Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.

 

Thanks.

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: Matthew Dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.

Matthew

 

Sent from my iPhone. 

Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com

 


On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
 ' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Hi all,

 

A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did 
work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.

 

Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work with 
a 4S, please?

 

Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  

 

Carol P

 

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Re: KNFB READER

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Yes, KNFB Reader is on.

Oh, thanks for trying ...

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:05 PM
  Subject: RE: KNFB READER


  Did you make sure you allow KNFB access to the camera? It should have asked, 
but make sure by going to Settings and Privacy, then check which apps are 
allowed to access the camera.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:53 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.

   

  Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my phone, 
but thanks for your help.

   

   

  Carol P

   

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

Carol,

 

Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you 
didn’t accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, 
but the app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for 
you to take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the 
app.  Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

 

Carol P

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Richard Turner 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

      Subject: RE: KNFB READER

   

  I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just 
fine on iOS 8.4.

   

  Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the 
app?

   

  Richard

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
      Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't 
now down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another 
phone.

   

  Thanks.

   

  Carol P

   

- Original Message - 

From: Matthew Dyer 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

    Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells 
you anything.

Matthew

 

Sent from my iPhone. 

Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com

 


On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via 
VIPhone  wrote:

  Hi all,

   

  A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, 
originally, did work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's 
not working.

   

  Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to 
work with a 4S, please?

   

  Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  


   

  Carol P

   

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Re: KNFB READER

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

Thanks Karl.

I don't know what the problem is but will bear that option in mind.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: Karl Smith 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:27 PM
  Subject: RE: KNFB READER


  I have seen a lot of responses stating that the KNFB Reader is working on the 
5 and 5S but as I recall the original question was is it working on a 4S. I 
have a 4S and just went out to be sure I had the latest version of KNFB Reader 
and am running IOS 8.4. I just took a picture of a package and the label read 
very well. I think all the suggestions you have been getting are good and I 
don’t have any more but I wanted to be sure you knew that the software should 
be working. You might need to contact tech support.

   

  Karl

   

   

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  Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis

  4304 South El Camino St.

  Taylorsville, Utah 84129

   

  Phone: 866-824-7885

  Fax: 866-824-7885

  E-mail: k...@axistech.net

  Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com

   

  Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech

   

  My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:05 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: KNFB READER

   

  Did you make sure you allow KNFB access to the camera? It should have asked, 
but make sure by going to Settings and Privacy, then check which apps are 
allowed to access the camera.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:53 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.

   

  Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my phone, 
but thanks for your help.

   

   

  Carol P

   

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

Carol,

 

Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you 
didn’t accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, 
but the app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for 
you to take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the 
app.  Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

 

Carol P

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Richard Turner 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

      Subject: RE: KNFB READER

   

  I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just 
fine on iOS 8.4.

   

  Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the 
app?

   

  Richard

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
      Subject: Re: KNFB READER

   

  Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't 
now down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another 
phone.

   

  Thanks.

   

  Carol P

   

- Original Message - 

From: Matthew Dyer 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells 
you anything.

Matthew

 

Sent from my iPhone. 

Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com

 


On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via 
VIPhone  wrote:

  Hi all,

   

  A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, 
originally, did work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's 
not working.

   

  Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to 
work with a 4S, please?

   

  Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  


   

  Carol P

   

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RE: KNFB READER

[Larry Lumpkin]

I’ve noticed that knfb reader no lolnger makes the shutter sound when I take a 
picture.  I’m running the latest on a 5S using IOS 8.4

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Thanks Karl.

 

I don't know what the problem is but will bear that option in mind.

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: Karl Smith <mailto:k...@axistech.net>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:27 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

I have seen a lot of responses stating that the KNFB Reader is working on the 5 
and 5S but as I recall the original question was is it working on a 4S. I have 
a 4S and just went out to be sure I had the latest version of KNFB Reader and 
am running IOS 8.4. I just took a picture of a package and the label read very 
well. I think all the suggestions you have been getting are good and I don’t 
have any more but I wanted to be sure you knew that the software should be 
working. You might need to contact tech support.

 

Karl

 

 

__

 

Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis

4304 South El Camino St.

Taylorsville, Utah 84129

 

Phone: 866-824-7885

Fax: 866-824-7885

E-mail: k...@axistech.net <mailto:k...@axistech.net> 

Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com <mailto:karl.axist...@gmail.com> 

 

Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech

 

My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

Did you make sure you allow KNFB access to the camera? It should have asked, 
but make sure by going to Settings and Privacy, then check which apps are 
allowed to access the camera.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.

 

Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my phone, 
but thanks for your help.

 

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

Carol,

 

Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t 
accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but the 
app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you to 
take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the app.  
Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

 

I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just fine 
on iOS 8.4.

 

Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another phone.

 

Thanks.

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: Matthew Dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
anything.

Matthew

 

Sent from my iPhone. 

Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> 

 


On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
 ' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hi all,

 

A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader s

Re: KNFB READER

[Richard Turner]

Is your phone muted?
I get the sound every time unless the phone is on mute.
Richard




> On Jul 28, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> 
> I’ve noticed that knfb reader no lolnger makes the shutter sound when I take 
> a picture.  I’m running the latest on a 5S using IOS 8.4
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>  
> Thanks Karl.
>  
> I don't know what the problem is but will bear that option in mind.
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Karl Smith
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:27 PM
> Subject: RE: KNFB READER
>  
> I have seen a lot of responses stating that the KNFB Reader is working on the 
> 5 and 5S but as I recall the original question was is it working on a 4S. I 
> have a 4S and just went out to be sure I had the latest version of KNFB 
> Reader and am running IOS 8.4. I just took a picture of a package and the 
> label read very well. I think all the suggestions you have been getting are 
> good and I don’t have any more but I wanted to be sure you knew that the 
> software should be working. You might need to contact tech support.
>  
> Karl
>  
>  
> __
>  
> Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis
> 4304 South El Camino St.
> Taylorsville, Utah 84129
>  
> Phone: 866-824-7885
> Fax: 866-824-7885
> E-mail: k...@axistech.net
> Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com
>  
> Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech
>  
> My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: KNFB READER
>  
> Did you make sure you allow KNFB access to the camera? It should have asked, 
> but make sure by going to Settings and Privacy, then check which apps are 
> allowed to access the camera.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>  
> OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.
>  
> Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my phone, 
> but thanks for your help.
>  
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM
> Subject: RE: KNFB READER
>  
> Carol,
>  
> Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t 
> accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but 
> the app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you 
> to take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>  
> I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the 
> app.  Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM
> Subject: RE: KNFB READER
>  
> I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just 
> fine on iOS 8.4.
>  
> Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>  
> Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
> down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another 
> phone.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Matthew Dyer
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM
> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>  
> Hi,
> I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
> anything.
> Matthew
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone.
> Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
> ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
>  
> 
> On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did 
> work quite well on the 4S.  T

Re: KNFB READER

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

it works well on my for S running 8.4. however, you have to wait a few seconds 
before it will start to read unlike my six which is almost immediate.
Good luck, Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Jul 2015, at 16:27, Karl Smith  wrote:
> 
> I have seen a lot of responses stating that the KNFB Reader is working on the 
> 5 and 5S but as I recall the original question was is it working on a 4S. I 
> have a 4S and just went out to be sure I had the latest version of KNFB 
> Reader and am running IOS 8.4. I just took a picture of a package and the 
> label read very well. I think all the suggestions you have been getting are 
> good and I don’t have any more but I wanted to be sure you knew that the 
> software should be working. You might need to contact tech support.
>  
> Karl
>  
>  
> __
>  
> Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis
> 4304 South El Camino St.
> Taylorsville, Utah 84129
>  
> Phone: 866-824-7885
> Fax: 866-824-7885
> E-mail: k...@axistech.net
> Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com
>  
> Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech
>  
> My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: KNFB READER
>  
> Did you make sure you allow KNFB access to the camera? It should have asked, 
> but make sure by going to Settings and Privacy, then check which apps are 
> allowed to access the camera.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>  
> OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.
>  
> Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my phone, 
> but thanks for your help.
>  
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM
> Subject: RE: KNFB READER
>  
> Carol,
>  
> Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t 
> accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but 
> the app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you 
> to take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>  
> I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the 
> app.  Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM
> Subject: RE: KNFB READER
>  
> I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just 
> fine on iOS 8.4.
>  
> Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>  
> Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't now 
> down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another 
> phone.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Carol P
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Matthew Dyer
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM
> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>  
> Hi,
> I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells you 
> anything.
> Matthew
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone.
> Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
> ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
>  
> 
> On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, originally, did 
> work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's not working.
>  
> Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not to work 
> with a 4S, please?
>  
> Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place!  
>  
> Carol P
>  
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Re: KNFB READER

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

It just keeps telling me there's no text and I don't know what else to do.

Carol P

  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:21 PM
  Subject: Re: KNFB READER


  it works well on my for S running 8.4. however, you have to wait a few 
seconds before it will start to read unlike my six which is almost immediate.
  Good luck, Sandy

  Sent from my iPhone

  On 28 Jul 2015, at 16:27, Karl Smith  wrote:


I have seen a lot of responses stating that the KNFB Reader is working on 
the 5 and 5S but as I recall the original question was is it working on a 4S. I 
have a 4S and just went out to be sure I had the latest version of KNFB Reader 
and am running IOS 8.4. I just took a picture of a package and the label read 
very well. I think all the suggestions you have been getting are good and I 
don’t have any more but I wanted to be sure you knew that the software should 
be working. You might need to contact tech support.



Karl





__



Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis

4304 South El Camino St.

Taylorsville, Utah 84129



Phone: 866-824-7885

Fax: 866-824-7885

E-mail: k...@axistech.net

Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com



Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech



My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: RE: KNFB READER



Did you make sure you allow KNFB access to the camera? It should have 
asked, but make sure by going to Settings and Privacy, then check which apps 
are allowed to access the camera.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: KNFB READER



OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.



Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my 
phone, but thanks for your help.





Carol P



  - Original Message - 

  From: Sieghard Weitzel 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM

      Subject: RE: KNFB READER



  Carol,



  Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you 
didn’t accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, 
but the app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for 
you to take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
      Subject: Re: KNFB READER



  I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the 
app.  Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.



  Carol P



- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER



I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working 
just fine on iOS 8.4.



Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the 
app?



Richard





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER



Thanks for that.  It does tell me that I'm not alone and, since I can't 
now down grade, I'll just have to try any upgrade, or wait till I get another 
phone.



Thanks.



Carol P



  - Original Message - 

  From: Matthew Dyer 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:07 PM

  Subject: Re: KNFB READER



  Hi,

  I have an iPhone 5s  and find that I am get no results if that tells 
you anything.

  Matthew



  Sent from my iPhone. 

  Skype: graduater2004. Email and face time/iMessage: 
ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com




  On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:22 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via 
VIPhone  wrote:

Hi all,



A little while back I updated my KNFB Reader software which, 
originally, did work quite well on the 4S.  Today I go to use it and find it's 
not working.



Can anyone confirm whether they have found the latest version not 
to work with a 4S, please?



Of course, I can't roll back as I didn't backup in the first place! 
 



Carol P



-- 
The following information is important for all members of the 
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Re: KNFB READER

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Carol, 

This is only a thought. When I get that nagging message that no text has been 
found, I make sure that the camera is very clean. I will use either rubbing 
alcohol or a multi-cleaner especially made for electronic devices. This usually 
clears up the error message. I also make sure that there is plenty of ambient 
lighting and not to cast shadows. Good luck and post if this seems to help. By 
the way, I’m running KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6, which may make the app run 
faster and more forgiving if the camera and written text is not lined up 
perfectly. 

Best, 
Eileen  
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 1:17 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> It just keeps telling me there's no text and I don't know what else to do.
>  
> Carol P
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>> 
>> it works well on my for S running 8.4. however, you have to wait a few 
>> seconds before it will start to read unlike my six which is almost immediate.
>> Good luck, Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 28 Jul 2015, at 16:27, Karl Smith > <mailto:k...@axistech.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have seen a lot of responses stating that the KNFB Reader is working on 
>>> the 5 and 5S but as I recall the original question was is it working on a 
>>> 4S. I have a 4S and just went out to be sure I had the latest version of 
>>> KNFB Reader and am running IOS 8.4. I just took a picture of a package and 
>>> the label read very well. I think all the suggestions you have been getting 
>>> are good and I don’t have any more but I wanted to be sure you knew that 
>>> the software should be working. You might need to contact tech support.
>>> Karl
>>> __
>>> Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis
>>> 4304 South El Camino St.
>>> Taylorsville, Utah 84129
>>> Phone: 866-824-7885
>>> Fax: 866-824-7885
>>> E-mail: k...@axistech.net <mailto:k...@axistech.net>
>>> Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com <mailto:karl.axist...@gmail.com>
>>> Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech <http://twitter.com/axistech>
>>> My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/ 
>>> <http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:05 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: RE: KNFB READER
>>> Did you make sure you allow KNFB access to the camera? It should have 
>>> asked, but make sure by going to Settings and Privacy, then check which 
>>> apps are allowed to access the camera.
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:53 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>>> OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.
>>> Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my 
>>> phone, but thanks for your help.
>>> Carol P
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: KNFB READER
>>>> Carol,
>>>> Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you 
>>>> didn’t accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a 
>>>> picture, but the app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s 
>>>> waiting for you to take a bunch of images and then do all the processing 
>>>> later.
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: KNFB READER
>>>> I've c

RE: KNFB READER

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Carol,

 

A couple of silly questions but they need to be asked.  How are you holding 
your phone? Could you perhaps have one of your fingers in front of the camera?

 

How high are you holding the phone? Are you holding it too high perhaps or way 
too low?  I had problems in the beginning with trying to hold the phone too 
high. 

 

Also, in my experience, I had a few friends who got into batch mode by mistake 
and didn’t realize that they had digitized several pages into a batch mode only 
ready and waiting to be recognized.

 

Also, check what mode your flash is in.  I have had lots of problems with the 
automatic mode because my apartment is not very bright and the automatic failed 
me miserably.  Make sure your flash is on to avoid the possibility that you 
don’t have enough light. If all else fails, I would remove the app and download 
it again.  Of course, you will not be charged again.

 

Good luck

 

Best

 

Ron & Danvers

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

It just keeps telling me there's no text and I don't know what else to do.

 

Carol P

 

- Original Message - 

From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: KNFB READER

 

it works well on my for S running 8.4. however, you have to wait a few seconds 
before it will start to read unlike my six which is almost immediate.
Good luck, Sandy


Sent from my iPhone


On 28 Jul 2015, at 16:27, Karl Smith mailto:k...@axistech.net> > wrote:

I have seen a lot of responses stating that the KNFB Reader is working on the 5 
and 5S but as I recall the original question was is it working on a 4S. I have 
a 4S and just went out to be sure I had the latest version of KNFB Reader and 
am running IOS 8.4. I just took a picture of a package and the label read very 
well. I think all the suggestions you have been getting are good and I don’t 
have any more but I wanted to be sure you knew that the software should be 
working. You might need to contact tech support.

Karl

__

Karl Smith, Access Technology Consultant Axis

4304 South El Camino St.

Taylorsville, Utah 84129

Phone: 866-824-7885

Fax: 866-824-7885

E-mail: k...@axistech.net <mailto:k...@axistech.net> 

Alternate E-mail: karl.axist...@gmail.com <mailto:karl.axist...@gmail.com> 

Twitter http://twitter.com/axistech

My blog http://www.samobile.net/users/oksaxis/blog/

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: KNFB READER

Did you make sure you allow KNFB access to the camera? It should have asked, 
but make sure by going to Settings and Privacy, then check which apps are 
allowed to access the camera.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

OK, checked and batch mode was off.  I reinstalled but, sadly, still no joy.

Guess I now have to wait for a future upgrade, either of the app or my phone, 
but thanks for your help.

Carol P

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

Carol,

Before you delete and redownload the app, make sure you check that you didn’t 
accidently put it in batch mode in which case you would take a picture, but the 
app wouldn’t recognize the image right away because it’s waiting for you to 
take a bunch of images and then do all the processing later.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: KNFB READER

I've certainly rebooted the phone but haven't yet tried re-installing the app.  
Thanks for the reminder.  I'll do that.

Carol P

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From: Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:05 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB READER

I have an iPhone 5S and the latest version of KNFB Reader is working just fine 
on iOS 8.4.

Have you rebooted the phone or even tried deleting and reinstalling the app?

Richard

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RE: knfb reader

[SSEric]

Lori, if you are on Facebook, Twitter, etc., do ask people to watch out for
discounts on Itunes. They seem to pop up at 10% to 20% every week, and maybe
will be even better in the next few weeks of the holidays.

Eric

 

 

  _  

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Of Lori Dent
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 11:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: knfb reader

 

Hi all,

 

I also will be purchasing the knfb reader  hear soon and from what I've been
reading on this list about it, I'm sure I'm going to love it.

 

But I'll be purchasing it for the  it's normal price of $99 and I think it
will be well worth  it.  Take care.

 

Lori and the Gipper

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Re: KNFB Reader

[Richard Turner]

If you are only going to use it for pdf documents, you may want to consider 
Prizmo for one tenth the price. It does an excellent job with PDF documents.
The biggest strength of KNFB Reader is scanning paper, though it does a good 
job with pdf files as well.
JMO,
Richard


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> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:37 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> For financial reasons, all of which are good, I am considering purchasing the 
> KNFB Reader. But I'm going to most likely use it only to recognize 
> inaccessible electronic documents such as PDF. Will this app fit the bill for 
> me? See I get sighted help to read my mail anyway so probably won't use it 
> for that.
> No rush but any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> 
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Re: KNFB Reader

[Charles Rivard]

It will fill the bill, but there might be less expensive alternatives that 
will work on .pdf documents, such as Prismo, or however it is spelled?. 
Where the KNFB reader shines is in assisting a totally blind user accurately 
photograph documents and then have them processed quickly and accurately in 
order to be able to then have them read aloud, and do it in a, for some, 
reasonably affordable and very portable package.


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Subject: KNFB Reader


Hi all,
For financial reasons, all of which are good, I am considering purchasing 
the KNFB Reader. But I'm going to most likely use it only to recognize 
inaccessible electronic documents such as PDF. Will this app fit the bill 
for me? See I get sighted help to read my mail anyway so probably won't use 
it for that.

No rush but any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!



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Re: KNFB Reader

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Well, I have Prismo already in my purchased so could give that a shot I 
guess. Thanks for the idea.


On 17/12/2014 17:54, Charles Rivard wrote:

It will fill the bill, but there might be less expensive alternatives
that will work on .pdf documents, such as Prismo, or however it is
spelled?. Where the KNFB reader shines is in assisting a totally blind
user accurately photograph documents and then have them processed
quickly and accurately in order to be able to then have them read aloud,
and do it in a, for some, reasonably affordable and very portable package.

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:37 AM
Subject: KNFB Reader


Hi all,
For financial reasons, all of which are good, I am considering
purchasing the KNFB Reader. But I'm going to most likely use it only to
recognize inaccessible electronic documents such as PDF. Will this app
fit the bill for me? See I get sighted help to read my mail anyway so
probably won't use it for that.
No rush but any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!





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Re: KNFB Reader

[Christopher Hallsworth]

As posted, I think I will go for that since it's already in my purchased 
and it's not like you can try KNFB Reader before you buy.


On 17/12/2014 13:50, Richard Turner wrote:

If you are only going to use it for pdf documents, you may want to consider 
Prizmo for one tenth the price. It does an excellent job with PDF documents.
The biggest strength of KNFB Reader is scanning paper, though it does a good 
job with pdf files as well.
JMO,
Richard


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Sent from my iPhone 5S




On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:37 AM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hi all,
For financial reasons, all of which are good, I am considering purchasing the 
KNFB Reader. But I'm going to most likely use it only to recognize inaccessible 
electronic documents such as PDF. Will this app fit the bill for me? See I get 
sighted help to read my mail anyway so probably won't use it for that.
No rush but any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!



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Re: KNFB Reader

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi, if you are using family sharing and you're sharing somebody that has Artie 
purchased the app why don't you try that way just a suggestion.
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> As posted, I think I will go for that since it's already in my purchased and 
> it's not like you can try KNFB Reader before you buy.
> 
> On 17/12/2014 13:50, Richard Turner wrote:
>> If you are only going to use it for pdf documents, you may want to consider 
>> Prizmo for one tenth the price. It does an excellent job with PDF documents.
>> The biggest strength of KNFB Reader is scanning paper, though it does a good 
>> job with pdf files as well.
>> JMO,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.
>> 
>> Jane Wagner, from In Search of Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:37 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> For financial reasons, all of which are good, I am considering purchasing 
>>> the KNFB Reader. But I'm going to most likely use it only to recognize 
>>> inaccessible electronic documents such as PDF. Will this app fit the bill 
>>> for me? See I get sighted help to read my mail anyway so probably won't use 
>>> it for that.
>>> No rush but any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: KNFB Reader

[carol.pearso...@googlemail.com]

Chris,

I took a good look at the manual, which I am sure you can find online.  I 
find reading through the manuals gives me a very good idea if I do or do not 
need/want a product and whether or not I'd really manage to use it.


If you decide to go that route, of course tell us what you think.

I decided not to do so at the moment anyway.  I'm quite happy with the 
scanner here on my desk and am not out and about so much that I just have to 
have a reader with me.


Carol P

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From: "Christopher Hallsworth" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader


As posted, I think I will go for that since it's already in my purchased
and it's not like you can try KNFB Reader before you buy.

On 17/12/2014 13:50, Richard Turner wrote:
If you are only going to use it for pdf documents, you may want to 
consider Prizmo for one tenth the price. It does an excellent job with PDF 
documents.
The biggest strength of KNFB Reader is scanning paper, though it does a 
good job with pdf files as well.

JMO,
Richard


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Sent from my iPhone 5S



On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:37 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Hi all,
For financial reasons, all of which are good, I am considering purchasing 
the KNFB Reader. But I'm going to most likely use it only to recognize 
inaccessible electronic documents such as PDF. Will this app fit the bill 
for me? See I get sighted help to read my mail anyway so probably won't 
use it for that.

No rush but any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!



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Re: KNFB Reader

[Lori Dent]

Hi Chris,

I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and 
then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on 
purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.


Lori and the Gipper 


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Re: KNFB Reader

[Robert Doc Wright]

Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he mentioned 
taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.
- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader


Hi Chris,

I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and
then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on
purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.

Lori and the Gipper

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If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning 
start?

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Re: KNFB Reader

[Charles Rivard]

Have you tried it?  If so, how did you find the result?  I would be curious 
as to the other stuff that people have scanned successfully, just goofing 
around with the app.  Thanks.


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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader


Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he mentioned
taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lori Dent" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader


Hi Chris,

I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and
then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on
purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.

Lori and the Gipper

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RE: KNFB Reader

[Richard Turner]

Well, I've used KNFB Reader when my screen reader wasn't speaking to take a 
picture of the computer screen and discovered an error message that helped me 
resolve the problem.  It works better than I expected for that kind of thing.

But, even if you are only going to scan documents, overall, it is far faster 
and easier to use than any other iPhone OCR app, including Prizmo.
Once in a while, I've found a document that I got a better result with Prizmo, 
but that has only been a couple times.
Now, what I do is scan with KNFB Reader and if the results are fine, I stick 
with it.
If something isn't coming out well, then I'll try Prizmo.

If you plan to scan a document and save it, there is no competition, KNFB 
Reader is far easier to use.

HTH,
Richard


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Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader

Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he mentioned 
taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.
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From: "Lori Dent" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader


Hi Chris,

I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and
then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on
purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.

Lori and the Gipper

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Re: KNFB Reader

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I tried taking a picture of a capture on a computer screen. No luck.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he mentioned 
> taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Lori Dent" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM
> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and
> then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on
> purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.
> 
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Re: KNFB Reader

[Charles Rivard]

What is a capture?

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From: "Sarai Bucciarelli" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader


I tried taking a picture of a capture on a computer screen. No luck.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
wrote:


Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he 
mentioned

taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lori Dent" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader


Hi Chris,

I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and
then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on
purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.

Lori and the Gipper

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Re: KNFB Reader

[Andy Baracco]

I think she means CAPTCHA.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Charles Rivard

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader

What is a capture?

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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader


I tried taking a picture of a capture on a computer screen. No luck.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
wrote:


Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he 
mentioned

taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lori Dent" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader


Hi Chris,

I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and
then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on
purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.

Lori and the Gipper

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Re: KNFB Reader

[christopher hallsworth]

Ok thank you. Well I could always treat myself to it, then if I'm not satisfied 
can get a refund. Thanks all for the advice. I'm still thinking about it.
> On 19 Dec 2014, at 02:22, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Well, I've used KNFB Reader when my screen reader wasn't speaking to take a 
> picture of the computer screen and discovered an error message that helped me 
> resolve the problem.  It works better than I expected for that kind of thing.
> 
> But, even if you are only going to scan documents, overall, it is far faster 
> and easier to use than any other iPhone OCR app, including Prizmo.
> Once in a while, I've found a document that I got a better result with 
> Prizmo, but that has only been a couple times.
> Now, what I do is scan with KNFB Reader and if the results are fine, I stick 
> with it.
> If something isn't coming out well, then I'll try Prizmo.
> 
> If you plan to scan a document and save it, there is no competition, KNFB 
> Reader is far easier to use.
> 
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
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> Robert Doc Wright
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader
> 
> Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he mentioned 
> taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Lori Dent" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM
> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and
> then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on
> purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.
> 
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Re: KNFB Reader

[Richard Turner]

OCR programs are designed to recognize clear text. A captia is often very hard 
for someone with very good eyesight to read because they are intentionally 
unclear, obscured text. So I wouldn't expect KNFB Reader or any OCR app to be 
able to read them.
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> On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:14 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> I tried taking a picture of a capture on a computer screen. No luck.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he mentioned 
>> taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Lori Dent" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and
>> then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on
>> purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.
>> 
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Re: KNFB Reader

[Charles Rivard]

I hate them with a purple passion, even though I am color blind.  (grin).  I 
wish they were done away with.  The same level of security could be attained by 
asking a question about something on the web site that pertains to what you 
would be reading, or a simple math problem could randomly be generated.  
Whatever they come up with should be accessible to everyone, in clearly 
readable text that screen readers will be able to identify.

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  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 2:22 AM
  Subject: Re: KNFB Reader


  OCR programs are designed to recognize clear text. A captia is often very 
hard for someone with very good eyesight to read because they are intentionally 
unclear, obscured text. So I wouldn't expect KNFB Reader or any OCR app to be 
able to read them.
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  On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:14 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:


I tried taking a picture of a capture on a computer screen. No luck.

Sent from my iPhone


  On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
 wrote:



  Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he 
mentioned 

  taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.

  - Original Message - 

  From: "Lori Dent" 

  To: 

  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM

      Subject: Re: KNFB Reader





  Hi Chris,



  I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and

  then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on

  purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.



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RE: KNFB Reader

[Rose Combs]

No, it does not,  tried the other day when a listen link as provided but I 
could not figure out what sounds I should have typed in.  People should be shot 
for these things, truly an accessibility problem and I hate waiting until 
someone visits who can figure them out for me.  Have Firefox but can’t get it 
‘s add-in to work for me either which is one reason I’d like to see them 
disappear off the face of the earth which won’t happen in my lifetime.  

 

Between websites that are not accessible, CAPCHAs and thing in my house which 
is old which refuse to work as expected, then the outsourcing my current job in 
March, I am ready to start pulling my hair out, and trust me, I have a lot of 
hair,.  In reality I hate pulling hair, hurts and I don’t like pain, even 
brushing tangled hair bothers me but I am still annoyed that more things are 
wrong here than right.  CAPTCHAs are a problem now that I am looking for jobs, 
or options to change a career I have had for 38 years.  Part of me wants to 
toss in the towel but another part keeps right on plugging away, doing what I 
can to not find myself on disability.  Anyone need a very used medical 
transcriptionist?  

 

Why was I so stupid as to remain loyal to the same organization for 38 plus 
years, no one does that any longer or so I read.  

 

Too late now, I did it and I would not undo that part of me, loyalty is a part 
of my nature.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 1:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader

 

OCR programs are designed to recognize clear text. A captia is often very hard 
for someone with very good eyesight to read because they are intentionally 
unclear, obscured text. So I wouldn't expect KNFB Reader or any OCR app to be 
able to read them.

Richard

 

 

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I tried taking a picture of a capture on a computer screen. No luck.

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Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he mentioned 

taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.

- Original Message - 

From: "Lori Dent" 

To: 

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM

Subject: Re: KNFB Reader

 

 

Hi Chris,

 

I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and

then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on

purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.

 

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RE: KNFB Reader

[Rose Combs]

Would one of those petition sites where you can add up people who dislike or 
like something help?  Just asking, I am not interested in doing that kind of 
research at this time but if all I had to do is add my name I could manage 
that.  

 

Actually doubt if it would do any good but… 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader

 

I hate them with a purple passion, even though I am color blind.  (grin).  I 
wish they were done away with.  The same level of security could be attained by 
asking a question about something on the web site that pertains to what you 
would be reading, or a simple math problem could randomly be generated.  
Whatever they come up with should be accessible to everyone, in clearly 
readable text that screen readers will be able to identify.


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From: Richard Turner <mailto:rich...@turner42.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 2:22 AM

Subject: Re: KNFB Reader

 

OCR programs are designed to recognize clear text. A captia is often very hard 
for someone with very good eyesight to read because they are intentionally 
unclear, obscured text. So I wouldn't expect KNFB Reader or any OCR app to be 
able to read them.

Richard

 

 

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I tried taking a picture of a capture on a computer screen. No luck.

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On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
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Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he mentioned 

taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.

- Original Message - 

From: "Lori Dent" 

To: 

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM

Subject: Re: KNFB Reader

 

 

Hi Chris,

 

I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and

then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on

purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.

 

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Re: KNFB Reader

[Charles Rivard]

They expect employees to be loyal, yet, when the opportunity comes along, they 
outsource.  They expect loyalty, yet won't hesitate to fire someone, with no 
prior warning,  within a month of the Christmas season.  I've seen it happen 
all too often.  Their excuse??  "It's a business decision."

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  Subject: RE: KNFB Reader


  No, it does not,  tried the other day when a listen link as provided but I 
could not figure out what sounds I should have typed in.  People should be shot 
for these things, truly an accessibility problem and I hate waiting until 
someone visits who can figure them out for me.  Have Firefox but can’t get it 
‘s add-in to work for me either which is one reason I’d like to see them 
disappear off the face of the earth which won’t happen in my lifetime.  

   

  Between websites that are not accessible, CAPCHAs and thing in my house which 
is old which refuse to work as expected, then the outsourcing my current job in 
March, I am ready to start pulling my hair out, and trust me, I have a lot of 
hair,.  In reality I hate pulling hair, hurts and I don’t like pain, even 
brushing tangled hair bothers me but I am still annoyed that more things are 
wrong here than right.  CAPTCHAs are a problem now that I am looking for jobs, 
or options to change a career I have had for 38 years.  Part of me wants to 
toss in the towel but another part keeps right on plugging away, doing what I 
can to not find myself on disability.  Anyone need a very used medical 
transcriptionist?  

   

  Why was I so stupid as to remain loyal to the same organization for 38 plus 
years, no one does that any longer or so I read.  

   

  Too late now, I did it and I would not undo that part of me, loyalty is a 
part of my nature.  

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 1:22 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: KNFB Reader

   

  OCR programs are designed to recognize clear text. A captia is often very 
hard for someone with very good eyesight to read because they are intentionally 
unclear, obscured text. So I wouldn't expect KNFB Reader or any OCR app to be 
able to read them.

  Richard

   

 

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I tried taking a picture of a capture on a computer screen. No luck.

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wrote:

   

  Raul gave me reason to consider purchasing the KNFB reader when he 
mentioned 

  taking a picture of a computer screen and getting useful information back.

  - Original Message - 

  From: "Lori Dent" 

  To: 

  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43 PM

  Subject: Re: KNFB Reader

   

   

  Hi Chris,

   

  I have Prizmo myself and it does a good job in recconizing   documents and

  then reading them. But I have also thought   about and considering on

  purchasing the knfb reader myself. But haven't done it yet . Take care.

   

  Lori and the Gipper

   

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