Braille Screen Input: What's New in iOS and iPad OS 18? Tuesday at 7:30 PM UK Time

[Matthew Horspool]

Hi everyone,
Braille Screen Input has been overhauled!
iOS and iPad OS 18, due for release on Monday 16 September, include the biggest 
refresh of Braille Screen Input since the feature was first introduced in iOS 
8. Although you can, for the most part, still use Braille Screen Input as you 
always have done, the new functionality in Apple's latest flagship operating 
systems is a source of much excitement throughout the blind community and will 
almost certainly take your Braille Screen Input experience to the next level.
Join the Braillists Foundation on Tuesday 17 September at 7:30 PM UK time, as 
Matthew Horspool talks us through:

  *   The devices supported by iOS and iPad OS 18
  *   New ways to enter and exit Braille Screen Input
  *   New sounds and haptics
  *   Braille entry improvements
  *   Using Braille Screen Input to control and navigate your iPhone or iPad
We welcome your questions during the session and we will make sure we allow 
plenty of time to answer them!
To register, please use this link: 
https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZ0rcuiurD4jEtzda-jQnGPzOtRBBVQuB3YX
Looking forward to seeing you there!
Matthew

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Can’t see recently updated apps on my iPad mini six after updating to the latest iOS 17

[Mary Otten]

I recently updated my iPad to iOS or iPadOS 1706 or 17.6, whatever it is. I 
have restarted the iPad since doing that. When I open the App Store and choose 
my account, it asks me to sign in. I was surprised, but I did it anyway. But I 
still cannot see the part where it says recently updated apps. And just before 
that, if there are app updates, that’s where they show up. So I understand 
maybe I don’t have any  apps to be updated. But then why am I not seeing the 
recently updated apps? The same thing is not happening on my iPhone. 
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Re: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

[Chela Robles]

Turned out that there was a server issue so I waited for a little bit and was able to update successfully. Nothing on my end was off.Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 1, 2024, at 1:21 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  wrote:I had no issue a day or two ago, whenever it came out on my 13 pro.Perhaps reboot and try again?  Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ... SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela RoblesSent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 1:13 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone? Tried to update, but it keeps saying there was an error downloading iOS 17.6 and then the OK button. Maybe the servers are busy or something. I am using an iPhone 14 anybody else having this issue?Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 1, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jccacc...@gmail.com> wrote:I have noticed some differences in sound playback. Mostly when listening to something with bluetooth, then disconnecting the bt device, my iPhone is not remembering as often what I was listening to when I request it to play. I have also had a couple times when on the phone with BT and then after the call VoiceOver was not speaking, until I disconnected and re-connected the BT device. Jonathan Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 1, 2024, at 3:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Just security fixes for iOS and Safari/web Kit, From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Gerardo CorripioSent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 5:34 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone? Working as always, both on my iPhone and iPad.GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 31 jul 2024, a la(s) 6:30 p.m., VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> escribió:Hello Everyone,I see that iOS and iPad 17.6 has recently been released.  Has anyone updated to the latest version and if so, opinions?I hope you are all doing well and I look forward to your replies,Mark-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/3a1831d3-8fb1-4a58-8c62-8a44bda3b3a5n%40googlegroups.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0953F113-4C70-4AC8-B348-588F725A06D8%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BN0PR01MB6909053DD676FC3CA3BBAFEEC7B22%40BN0PR01MB6909.prod.exchangelabs.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of t

RE: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

[Mario Eiland]

No issues here. I was able to update it to an iPhone 10XR and 14 Plus.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

 

Tried to update, but it keeps saying there was an error downloading iOS 17.6 
and then the OK button. Maybe the servers are busy or something. I am using an 
iPhone 14 anybody else having this issue?

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 1, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have noticed some differences in sound playback. Mostly when listening to 
something with bluetooth, then disconnecting the bt device, my iPhone is not 
remembering as often what I was listening to when I request it to play.

 

I have also had a couple times when on the phone with BT and then after the 
call VoiceOver was not speaking, until I disconnected and re-connected the BT 
device.

 

Jonathan

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 1, 2024, at 3:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Just security fixes for iOS and Safari/web Kit,

 

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Subject: Re: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

 

Working as always, both on my iPhone and iPad.

Gera

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El 31 jul 2024, a la(s) 6:30 p.m., VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > escribió:

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I see that iOS and iPad 17.6 has recently been released.  

Has anyone updated to the latest version and if so, opinions?

I hope you are all doing well and I look forward to your replies,

Mark

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RE: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

I had no issue a day or two ago, whenever it came out on my 13 pro.

Perhaps reboot and try again?

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

 

Tried to update, but it keeps saying there was an error downloading iOS 17.6 
and then the OK button. Maybe the servers are busy or something. I am using an 
iPhone 14 anybody else having this issue?

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 1, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have noticed some differences in sound playback. Mostly when listening to 
something with bluetooth, then disconnecting the bt device, my iPhone is not 
remembering as often what I was listening to when I request it to play.

 

I have also had a couple times when on the phone with BT and then after the 
call VoiceOver was not speaking, until I disconnected and re-connected the BT 
device.

 

Jonathan

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 1, 2024, at 3:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Just security fixes for iOS and Safari/web Kit,

 

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Subject: Re: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

 

Working as always, both on my iPhone and iPad.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel






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I see that iOS and iPad 17.6 has recently been released.  

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[Chela Robles]

Tried to update, but it keeps saying there was an error downloading iOS 17.6 and then the OK button. Maybe the servers are busy or something. I am using an iPhone 14 anybody else having this issue?Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 1, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:I have noticed some differences in sound playback. Mostly when listening to something with bluetooth, then disconnecting the bt device, my iPhone is not remembering as often what I was listening to when I request it to play.I have also had a couple times when on the phone with BT and then after the call VoiceOver was not speaking, until I disconnected and re-connected the BT device.JonathanSent from my iPhoneOn Aug 1, 2024, at 3:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Just security fixes for iOS and Safari/web Kit,
 


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Working as always, both on my iPhone and iPad.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel







El 31 jul 2024, a la(s) 6:30 p.m., VIPhone  escribió:




Hello Everyone,

I see that iOS and iPad 17.6 has recently been released.  

Has anyone updated to the latest version and if so, opinions?

I hope you are all doing well and I look forward to your replies,

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Re: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have noticed some differences in sound playback. Mostly when listening to something with bluetooth, then disconnecting the bt device, my iPhone is not remembering as often what I was listening to when I request it to play.I have also had a couple times when on the phone with BT and then after the call VoiceOver was not speaking, until I disconnected and re-connected the BT device.JonathanSent from my iPhoneOn Aug 1, 2024, at 3:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Just security fixes for iOS and Safari/web Kit,
 


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Working as always, both on my iPhone and iPad.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel







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Hello Everyone,

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RE: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just security fixes for iOS and Safari/web Kit,

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Working as always, both on my iPhone and iPad.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


El 31 jul 2024, a la(s) 6:30 p.m., VIPhone  escribió:
Hello Everyone,

I see that iOS and iPad 17.6 has recently been released.

Has anyone updated to the latest version and if so, opinions?

I hope you are all doing well and I look forward to your replies,

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Re: iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

[Gerardo Corripio]

Working as always, both on my iPhone and iPad.GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 31 jul 2024, a la(s) 6:30 p.m., VIPhone  escribió:Hello Everyone,I see that iOS and iPad 17.6 has recently been released.  Has anyone updated to the latest version and if so, opinions?I hope you are all doing well and I look forward to your replies,Mark



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iOS and iPad 17.6, Anyone?

[VIPhone]

Hello Everyone,

I see that iOS and iPad 17.6 has recently been released.  

Has anyone updated to the latest version and if so, opinions?

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Re: Attention All iPad Voice Over Users: A Call to Action to Restore Amazon Kindle Book Purchasing Accessibility

[Penny Reeder]

I called Amazon's disability support phone line when i tried and was denied permission to purchase a kindle book from the Amazon.com shopping  app on my Iphone, last Saturday. The support person with whom i spoke told me she had reported the problem and it should be resolved the next day. After i made the call, i discovered a work-around, and i didn't follow up further. Here is how i was able to add the book to my kindle library. I asked the A-Lady to buy the kindle book, being sure to name the title and author, accurately. The transaction was completed, and the book arrived in my Kindle library almost instantly. I hope this works for you. But, of course, register your complaint about the shopping app denying permission to purchase a kindle book, as well. PennySent from my iPhoneOn Jul 5, 2024, at 1:49 PM, VIPhone  wrote:Hello All, In short, with VoiceOver enabled on iPad, Kindle book purchasing pages are no longer accessible in Safari.Please do the following to increase the likelihood that this issue will be resolved ASAP:1.Please call 888-283-1678.2.Select option 1.3.When the Amazon rep answers your call, verify your account with them.  This is extremely important.  If the rep does not require you to verify your account, before proceeding, the call will not be logged into the Amazon support system.4.Once your account has been verified, give the rep the following ticket number:V1442232677 and tell them that you are calling to verify that you are experiencing the same problem on your iPad.Depending upon the wait time, this call should take less than 10 minutes of your time.  The more calls, the faster the problem will be resolved.Now, to reproduce the VoiceOver iPad Safari Kindle book purchasing bug, do the following:1.With Voice Over enabled on your iPad, open Safari and go to Amazon.com2.If you have not already done so, sign into your Amazon account from within Safari.3.In the Amazon search field type in any book title, for example, Shutter Island.  Locate the title of the book and activates it’s title to open it’s details page which should give you the option of downloading a sample of the book, listening to a preview of the title, and provide purchasing options, etc.  Make certain that you open the Kindle version of the title and not the Audible version.  Assuming that you open the correct page, you will discover that virtually none of the content is VoiceOver accessible.Please be aware that Amazon support has already verified this bug but strongly recommends that anyone who can reproduce the bug should call in to let them know.Thank you all for your support on this one.Mark



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Re: Attention All iPad Voice Over Users: A Call to Action to Restore Amazon Kindle Book Purchasing Accessibility

[VIPhone]

Hello Anna and thank you so much for taking the time to call Amazon.

 

When I called and spoke to Carla, who was an absolute delight, she 
confirmed that Amazon has some errors being reported by non-VoiceOver users 
because of some recent backend changes they’ve recently made.

 

While I know that many VoiceOver users do not use iPads and even those that 
do, probably don’t purchase Kindel content on a regular basis, via iPad, if 
this issue is not resolved, it could filter down to other Amazon web pages 
and that would be terrible.

 

Again, thank you and I hope that more of us will do the same by verifying 
and reporting this problem to Amazon.

 

Mark

 
On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 1:53:41 PM UTC-7 woodyanna wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> I verified the problem and called. The guy I talked to seemed pretty 
> clueless and wanted to know if I had checked with Apple about the problem, 
> so I can't guarantee he added my info to the ticket, but he said he did, so 
> hopefully he knew what he was doing and did it.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2024, at 12:49 PM, VIPhone  wrote:
>
> Hello All, 
>
> In short, with VoiceOver enabled on iPad, Kindle book purchasing pages are 
> no longer accessible in Safari.
>
> Please do the following to increase the likelihood that this issue will be 
> resolved ASAP:
>
> 1.
> Please call 888-283-1678 <(888)%20283-1678>.
>
> 2.
> Select option 1.
>
> 3.
> When the Amazon rep answers your call, verify your account with them. 
>  This is extremely important.  If the rep does not require you to verify 
> your account, before proceeding, the call will not be logged into the 
> Amazon support system.
>
> 4.
> Once your account has been verified, give the rep the following ticket 
> number:
> V1442232677 and tell them that you are calling to verify that you are 
> experiencing the same problem on your iPad.
>
> Depending upon the wait time, this call should take less than 10 minutes 
> of your time.  The more calls, the faster the problem will be resolved.
>
> Now, to reproduce the VoiceOver iPad Safari Kindle book purchasing bug, do 
> the following:
> 1.
> With Voice Over enabled on your iPad, open Safari and go to Amazon.com
>
> 2.
> If you have not already done so, sign into your Amazon account from within 
> Safari.
>
> 3.
> In the Amazon search field type in any book title, for example, Shutter 
> Island.  Locate the title of the book and activates it’s title to open it’s 
> details page which should give you the option of downloading a sample of 
> the book, listening to a preview of the title, and provide purchasing 
> options, etc.  Make certain that you open the Kindle version of the title 
> and not the Audible version.  Assuming that you open the correct page, you 
> will discover that virtually none of the content is VoiceOver accessible.
>
> Please be aware that Amazon support has already verified this bug but 
> strongly recommends that anyone who can reproduce the bug should call in to 
> let them know.
>
> Thank you all for your support on this one.
>
> Mark
>
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Re: Attention All iPad Voice Over Users: A Call to Action to Restore Amazon Kindle Book Purchasing Accessibility

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Mark,

I verified the problem and called. The guy I talked to seemed pretty clueless 
and wanted to know if I had checked with Apple about the problem, so I can't 
guarantee he added my info to the ticket, but he said he did, so hopefully he 
knew what he was doing and did it.

Best,
Anna


> On Jul 5, 2024, at 12:49 PM, VIPhone  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> In short, with VoiceOver enabled on iPad, Kindle book purchasing pages are no 
> longer accessible in Safari.
> 
> Please do the following to increase the likelihood that this issue will be 
> resolved ASAP:
> 
> 1.
> Please call 888-283-1678.
> 
> 2.
> Select option 1.
> 
> 3.
> When the Amazon rep answers your call, verify your account with them.  This 
> is extremely important.  If the rep does not require you to verify your 
> account, before proceeding, the call will not be logged into the Amazon 
> support system.
> 
> 4.
> Once your account has been verified, give the rep the following ticket number:
> V1442232677 and tell them that you are calling to verify that you are 
> experiencing the same problem on your iPad.
> 
> Depending upon the wait time, this call should take less than 10 minutes of 
> your time.  The more calls, the faster the problem will be resolved.
> 
> Now, to reproduce the VoiceOver iPad Safari Kindle book purchasing bug, do 
> the following:
> 1.
> With Voice Over enabled on your iPad, open Safari and go to Amazon.com
> 
> 2.
> If you have not already done so, sign into your Amazon account from within 
> Safari.
> 
> 3.
> In the Amazon search field type in any book title, for example, Shutter 
> Island.  Locate the title of the book and activates it’s title to open it’s 
> details page which should give you the option of downloading a sample of the 
> book, listening to a preview of the title, and provide purchasing options, 
> etc.  Make certain that you open the Kindle version of the title and not the 
> Audible version.  Assuming that you open the correct page, you will discover 
> that virtually none of the content is VoiceOver accessible.
> 
> Please be aware that Amazon support has already verified this bug but 
> strongly recommends that anyone who can reproduce the bug should call in to 
> let them know.
> 
> Thank you all for your support on this one.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Attention All iPad Voice Over Users: A Call to Action to Restore Amazon Kindle Book Purchasing Accessibility

[VIPhone]

Hello All, 

In short, with VoiceOver enabled on iPad, Kindle book purchasing pages are 
no longer accessible in Safari.

Please do the following to increase the likelihood that this issue will be 
resolved ASAP:

1.
Please call 888-283-1678.

2.
Select option 1.

3.
When the Amazon rep answers your call, verify your account with them.  This 
is extremely important.  If the rep does not require you to verify your 
account, before proceeding, the call will not be logged into the Amazon 
support system.

4.
Once your account has been verified, give the rep the following ticket 
number:
V1442232677 and tell them that you are calling to verify that you are 
experiencing the same problem on your iPad.

Depending upon the wait time, this call should take less than 10 minutes of 
your time.  The more calls, the faster the problem will be resolved.

Now, to reproduce the VoiceOver iPad Safari Kindle book purchasing bug, do 
the following:
1.
With Voice Over enabled on your iPad, open Safari and go to Amazon.com

2.
If you have not already done so, sign into your Amazon account from within 
Safari.

3.
In the Amazon search field type in any book title, for example, Shutter 
Island.  Locate the title of the book and activates it’s title to open it’s 
details page which should give you the option of downloading a sample of 
the book, listening to a preview of the title, and provide purchasing 
options, etc.  Make certain that you open the Kindle version of the title 
and not the Audible version.  Assuming that you open the correct page, you 
will discover that virtually none of the content is VoiceOver accessible.

Please be aware that Amazon support has already verified this bug but 
strongly recommends that anyone who can reproduce the bug should call in to 
let them know.

Thank you all for your support on this one.

Mark

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RE: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad

[Richard Turner]

Well, I had never seen the issue you were having until I tapped on that button, 
so I think it will stay put.
I do not find any way to unsubscribe more than one at a time.

Good luck, 

Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad

Thanks, Richard. I believe that did the job. I hope it sticks from opening to 
closing the app. I don’t know why I never tried that button. I guess I just 
either didn’t see it that often or didn’t know what it was relevant to or 
whatever. I also have way too many subscriptions. I wish there were a way to 
bulk delete them. They don’t make it easy unless I’m missing something else.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2024, at 9:14 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> I also have the Mini 6.
> I just logged in to my account on Youtube on it.
> After flicking right from the Your Account button, there was a thing that 
> said featured channels, expand panel. If it says Collapse panel, you want to 
> collapse it so it shows expand panel.
> What I found is if I continued flicking right when it says expand panel, then 
> I get through all of my subscriptions.
> If it says Collapse panel, I don't get all my subscriptions before it has 
> another featured item that is Shorts.  I don't see Shorts if Expand Panel is 
> showing.
> 
> I hope that makes sense.  I'm about done in for the evening.
> 
> Later,
> 
> Richard, USA
> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
> -- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 5:43 PM
> To: VIPhone via 
> Subject: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad
> 
> I have an iPad mini. I also have an iPhone. On the iPhone app, it is 
> reasonable to navigate on the YouTube app and actually find things you want. 
> On the iPad, it’s full of crap. Or even if it isn’t crap, it’s not what I 
> want right now When I go to subscriptions, I want a list of the things I’m 
> subscribed to, not a bunch of other stuff that’s not relevant. That’s not 
> happening for me on my iPad mini. Is there something I can do to simplify the 
> YouTube screen on an iPad?  For starters, I want to get rid of shorts. I 
> never want to see them again. I don’t want suggestions from Google. I just 
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Re: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Richard. I believe that did the job. I hope it sticks from opening to 
closing the app. I don’t know why I never tried that button. I guess I just 
either didn’t see it that often or didn’t know what it was relevant to or 
whatever. I also have way too many subscriptions. I wish there were a way to 
bulk delete them. They don’t make it easy unless I’m missing something else.
Mary

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> On Jun 30, 2024, at 9:14 PM, Richard Turner  
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> Hi Mary,
> I also have the Mini 6.
> I just logged in to my account on Youtube on it.
> After flicking right from the Your Account button, there was a thing that 
> said featured channels, expand panel. If it says Collapse panel, you want to 
> collapse it so it shows expand panel.
> What I found is if I continued flicking right when it says expand panel, then 
> I get through all of my subscriptions.
> If it says Collapse panel, I don't get all my subscriptions before it has 
> another featured item that is Shorts.  I don't see Shorts if Expand Panel is 
> showing.
> 
> I hope that makes sense.  I'm about done in for the evening.
> 
> Later,
> 
> Richard, USA
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
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> Subject: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad
> 
> I have an iPad mini. I also have an iPhone. On the iPhone app, it is 
> reasonable to navigate on the YouTube app and actually find things you want. 
> On the iPad, it’s full of crap. Or even if it isn’t crap, it’s not what I 
> want right now When I go to subscriptions, I want a list of the things I’m 
> subscribed to, not a bunch of other stuff that’s not relevant. That’s not 
> happening for me on my iPad mini. Is there something I can do to simplify the 
> YouTube screen on an iPad?  For starters, I want to get rid of shorts. I 
> never want to see them again. I don’t want suggestions from Google. I just 
> want to see what I have subscribed to when I go to the subscriptions tab. Is 
> that too much to ask of Google ?
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RE: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad

[Richard Turner]

Hi Mary,
I also have the Mini 6.
I just logged in to my account on Youtube on it.
After flicking right from the Your Account button, there was a thing that said 
featured channels, expand panel. If it says Collapse panel, you want to 
collapse it so it shows expand panel.
What I found is if I continued flicking right when it says expand panel, then I 
get through all of my subscriptions.
If it says Collapse panel, I don't get all my subscriptions before it has 
another featured item that is Shorts.  I don't see Shorts if Expand Panel is 
showing.

I hope that makes sense.  I'm about done in for the evening.

Later,

Richard, USA
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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 5:43 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad

I have an iPad mini. I also have an iPhone. On the iPhone app, it is reasonable 
to navigate on the YouTube app and actually find things you want. On the iPad, 
it’s full of crap. Or even if it isn’t crap, it’s not what I want right now 
When I go to subscriptions, I want a list of the things I’m subscribed to, not 
a bunch of other stuff that’s not relevant. That’s not happening for me on my 
iPad mini. Is there something I can do to simplify the YouTube screen on an 
iPad?  For starters, I want to get rid of shorts. I never want to see them 
again. I don’t want suggestions from Google. I just want to see what I have 
subscribed to when I go to the subscriptions tab. Is that too much to ask of 
Google ?
Mary

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Decluttering the YouTube app on an iPad

[Mary Otten]

I have an iPad mini. I also have an iPhone. On the iPhone app, it is reasonable 
to navigate on the YouTube app and actually find things you want. On the iPad, 
it’s full of crap. Or even if it isn’t crap, it’s not what I want right now 
When I go to subscriptions, I want a list of the things I’m subscribed to, not 
a bunch of other stuff that’s not relevant. That’s not happening for me on my 
iPad mini. Is there something I can do to simplify the YouTube screen on an 
iPad?  For starters, I want to get rid of shorts. I never want to see them 
again. I don’t want suggestions from Google. I just want to see what I have 
subscribed to when I go to the subscriptions tab. Is that too much to ask of 
Google ?
Mary

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RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[paekstrand]

Thanks.  This was the first time I had encountered something that seems to 
require this.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jonathan 
Cohn
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 11:56 AM
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Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

 

Several Apple services require that you have two factor service enabled. You 
only really need to re-do it on major upgrades, or new devices and when 
accessing iCloud on a web browser other than Safari.

While it is annoying the first couple of time since the UI is not intuitive to 
a blind user it also gets easier after you understand the process.

 





On Jun 24, 2024, at 4:00 PM, Peter Tesar mailto:pte...@ca.inter.net> > wrote:

 

Hello, 

 

I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but! 

I read on the web that if off, and you turn it on, you have only 2 weeks to 
turn it off again.

In the 1 year since getting my first iPhone, it must have been turned on and I 
didn't know. 

Maybe the store clerk who sett me up to get started with SIRI and VoiceOver,  
did it. 

I guess that means I can't turn it off.

 

If anyone knows how to, please let us know.

 

Peter T. 

 

 

 

On 2024-06-24 12:33 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com <mailto:paekstr...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or iPad.  I have 
recently gotten the airpods pro 2nd generation, and it seems that in order for 
them to switch automatically between the iPhone and iPad, I would need to be 
using two factor authentication.

 

Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this mean that every 
time I open my phone, for example, that in addition to face ID or entering my 
PIN, I would also need to enter the code sent to me?  

 

Thanks for any information.

 

Pam

 

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Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[Jonathan Cohn]

Several Apple services require that you have two factor service enabled. You 
only really need to re-do it on major upgrades, or new devices and when 
accessing iCloud on a web browser other than Safari.
While it is annoying the first couple of time since the UI is not intuitive to 
a blind user it also gets easier after you understand the process.
 

> On Jun 24, 2024, at 4:00 PM, Peter Tesar  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> 
> 
> I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but! 
> 
> I read on the web that if off, and you turn it on, you have only 2 weeks to 
> turn it off again.
> 
> In the 1 year since getting my first iPhone, it must have been turned on and 
> I didn't know. 
> 
> Maybe the store clerk who sett me up to get started with SIRI and VoiceOver,  
> did it. 
> 
> I guess that means I can't turn it off.
> 
> 
> 
> If anyone knows how to, please let us know.
> 
> 
> 
> Peter T. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2024-06-24 12:33 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com <mailto:paekstr...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or iPad.  I have 
>> recently gotten the airpods pro 2nd generation, and it seems that in order 
>> for them to switch automatically between the iPhone and iPad, I would need 
>> to be using two factor authentication.
>> 
>>  
>> Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this mean that 
>> every time I open my phone, for example, that in addition to face ID or 
>> entering my PIN, I would also need to enter the code sent to me? 
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks for any information.
>> 
>>  
>> Pam
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RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[paekstrand]

Thanks for the clarification.  I was also thinking I had seen something on this 
list a while back about an issue someone ran into regarding troubleshooting or 
resetting the phone with this turned on?  Or maybe I am just crazy!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 12:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

 

No, there is no extra step if you unlock your iPhone, you do it as you always 
do with Face Id or Touch Id depending on your phone model and of course from 
time to time your PIN if you reboot your phone or if biometric authentication 
doesn't work for some reason, but it's the same as before.

2-Factor authentication for your Apple Id only comes into play if you log into 
the website and so on.

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

 

Sieghard, I understand the use of two factor authentication within apps , such 
as for banking.  My original question relates to setting it up as security for 
the iPhone itself, which it looks like I might need to do if I want to be able 
to switch automatically between using my airpods pro 2nd gen on my iPhone and 
my iPad.

 

I was wondering if there are any disadvantages to setting it up on my phone, 
and also if it is set, is that an extra step I would have to take every time I 
opened my phone?  Maybe a stupid question, but…

 

Thanks,

Pam

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 10:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

 

Hi Group,

Thanks for the clarification.  I have been under a misconception for a few 
years now. I guess you learn something new every day in the world of technology.

On 6/27/2024 9:32 AM, Barbara Stahl wrote:

Great job on the explanation I particularly like the analogy to the lockpicks 
that was great

 

On Jun 27, 2024, at 1:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> 
 wrote:

 

Ron, you are talking about Apples and Oranges here, non pun intended, but using 
biometric authentication like Touch Id or Face Id has nothing to do with 
2-Factor authentication.

In any case, you cannot set up Touch Id or Face Id without also setting up a 
6-digit PIN. I say 6-digit because that is the default on the iPhone, you can 
still do a 4-digit PIN, but it's not immediately apparent how to do it since 
Apple wants you to have the higher security of a 6 digit PIN.

Not using Touch Id or Face Id depending on which device you have is a little 
bit like using a set of lockpick tools to unlock your front door instead of 
simply using your key. It is very quick, for me at least it is highly reliable 
and for the occasional time when for some reason it does not unlock via Face 
Id, I just use the PIN.

2-Factor authentication is an entirely different security measure as it 
requires you to authenticate your sign-in with a second method in addition to 
entering your password. For example, if I want to log into my bank's online 
system, I go to their website and enter my user name and my password, but now 
instead of getting logged in, another screen comes up which tells me that a 
notification was sent to my mobile device and I now first have to unlock my 
iPhone, then I double tap on the notification and I am then presented with my 
bank's app which asks me to confirm that I am trying to sign in. Only when I 
tap on "allow" will the sign in process on the website  complete.

Other websites or services employ different methods of 2-factor authentication, 
if I sign into Dropbox online I am asked to enter a code which I have to get 
from my authenticator app where I have setup Dropbox like that, yet other sites 
may send a code via text message or email.

 

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Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

 

Hi Group,

I always worry about any type of picture/fingerprint/alternative method of 
authentication. I worry that my fingers might have gotten dirty or sticky or 
callused or that I wouldn't be able to position my iPhone properly for the AI 
within the authentication process to properly identify my 

RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, there is no extra step if you unlock your iPhone, you do it as you always 
do with Face Id or Touch Id depending on your phone model and of course from 
time to time your PIN if you reboot your phone or if biometric authentication 
doesn't work for some reason, but it's the same as before.
2-Factor authentication for your Apple Id only comes into play if you log into 
the website and so on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 7:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

Sieghard, I understand the use of two factor authentication within apps , such 
as for banking.  My original question relates to setting it up as security for 
the iPhone itself, which it looks like I might need to do if I want to be able 
to switch automatically between using my airpods pro 2nd gen on my iPhone and 
my iPad.

I was wondering if there are any disadvantages to setting it up on my phone, 
and also if it is set, is that an extra step I would have to take every time I 
opened my phone?  Maybe a stupid question, but…

Thanks,
Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 10:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

Hi Group,

Thanks for the clarification.  I have been under a misconception for a few 
years now. I guess you learn something new every day in the world of technology.
On 6/27/2024 9:32 AM, Barbara Stahl wrote:
Great job on the explanation I particularly like the analogy to the lockpicks 
that was great

On Jun 27, 2024, at 1:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<mailto:siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Ron, you are talking about Apples and Oranges here, non pun intended, but using 
biometric authentication like Touch Id or Face Id has nothing to do with 
2-Factor authentication.
In any case, you cannot set up Touch Id or Face Id without also setting up a 
6-digit PIN. I say 6-digit because that is the default on the iPhone, you can 
still do a 4-digit PIN, but it's not immediately apparent how to do it since 
Apple wants you to have the higher security of a 6 digit PIN.
Not using Touch Id or Face Id depending on which device you have is a little 
bit like using a set of lockpick tools to unlock your front door instead of 
simply using your key. It is very quick, for me at least it is highly reliable 
and for the occasional time when for some reason it does not unlock via Face 
Id, I just use the PIN.
2-Factor authentication is an entirely different security measure as it 
requires you to authenticate your sign-in with a second method in addition to 
entering your password. For example, if I want to log into my bank's online 
system, I go to their website and enter my user name and my password, but now 
instead of getting logged in, another screen comes up which tells me that a 
notification was sent to my mobile device and I now first have to unlock my 
iPhone, then I double tap on the notification and I am then presented with my 
bank's app which asks me to confirm that I am trying to sign in. Only when I 
tap on "allow" will the sign in process on the website  complete.
Other websites or services employ different methods of 2-factor authentication, 
if I sign into Dropbox online I am asked to enter a code which I have to get 
from my authenticator app where I have setup Dropbox like that, yet other sites 
may send a code via text message or email.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

Hi Group,

I always worry about any type of picture/fingerprint/alternative method of 
authentication. I worry that my fingers might have gotten dirty or sticky or 
callused or that I wouldn't be able to position my iPhone properly for the AI 
within the authentication process to properly identify my 'ugly' face.
That is why I try avoiding two factor authentication.
On 6/24/2024 4:56 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com<mailto:paekstr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,

I can’t answer your question, but am wondering if you are finding a problem 
with it being turned on?

Thanks,
Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Peter 
Tesar
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad


Hello,



I recently wanted to turn two factor authenticati

RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[paekstrand]

Sieghard, I understand the use of two factor authentication within apps , such 
as for banking.  My original question relates to setting it up as security for 
the iPhone itself, which it looks like I might need to do if I want to be able 
to switch automatically between using my airpods pro 2nd gen on my iPhone and 
my iPad.

 

I was wondering if there are any disadvantages to setting it up on my phone, 
and also if it is set, is that an extra step I would have to take every time I 
opened my phone?  Maybe a stupid question, but…

 

Thanks,

Pam

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 10:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

 

Hi Group,

Thanks for the clarification.  I have been under a misconception for a few 
years now. I guess you learn something new every day in the world of technology.



On 6/27/2024 9:32 AM, Barbara Stahl wrote:

Great job on the explanation I particularly like the analogy to the lockpicks 
that was great





On Jun 27, 2024, at 1:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> 
 wrote:

 

Ron, you are talking about Apples and Oranges here, non pun intended, but using 
biometric authentication like Touch Id or Face Id has nothing to do with 
2-Factor authentication.

In any case, you cannot set up Touch Id or Face Id without also setting up a 
6-digit PIN. I say 6-digit because that is the default on the iPhone, you can 
still do a 4-digit PIN, but it's not immediately apparent how to do it since 
Apple wants you to have the higher security of a 6 digit PIN.

Not using Touch Id or Face Id depending on which device you have is a little 
bit like using a set of lockpick tools to unlock your front door instead of 
simply using your key. It is very quick, for me at least it is highly reliable 
and for the occasional time when for some reason it does not unlock via Face 
Id, I just use the PIN.

2-Factor authentication is an entirely different security measure as it 
requires you to authenticate your sign-in with a second method in addition to 
entering your password. For example, if I want to log into my bank's online 
system, I go to their website and enter my user name and my password, but now 
instead of getting logged in, another screen comes up which tells me that a 
notification was sent to my mobile device and I now first have to unlock my 
iPhone, then I double tap on the notification and I am then presented with my 
bank's app which asks me to confirm that I am trying to sign in. Only when I 
tap on "allow" will the sign in process on the website  complete.

Other websites or services employ different methods of 2-factor authentication, 
if I sign into Dropbox online I am asked to enter a code which I have to get 
from my authenticator app where I have setup Dropbox like that, yet other sites 
may send a code via text message or email.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

 

Hi Group,

I always worry about any type of picture/fingerprint/alternative method of 
authentication. I worry that my fingers might have gotten dirty or sticky or 
callused or that I wouldn't be able to position my iPhone properly for the AI 
within the authentication process to properly identify my 'ugly' face.
That is why I try avoiding two factor authentication.

On 6/24/2024 4:56 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com <mailto:paekstr...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Peter,

 

I can’t answer your question, but am wondering if you are finding a problem 
with it being turned on?

 

Thanks,

Pam

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of Peter 
Tesar
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

 

Hello, 

 

I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but! 

I read on the web that if off, and you turn it on, you have only 2 weeks to 
turn it off again.

In the 1 year since getting my first iPhone, it must have been turned on and I 
didn't know. 

Maybe the store clerk who sett me up to get started with SIRI and VoiceOver,  
did it. 

I guess that means I can't turn it off.

 

If anyone knows how to, please let us know.

 

Peter T. 

 

 

 

On 2024-06-24 12:33 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com <mailto:paekstr...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or iPad.  I have 
recently gotten the airpods pro 2nd generation, and it seems that in order for 
them 

Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Group,

Thanks for the clarification.  I have been under a misconception for a 
few years now. I guess you learn something new every day in the world of 
technology.



On 6/27/2024 9:32 AM, Barbara Stahl wrote:
Great job on the explanation I particularly like the analogy to the 
lockpicks that was great



On Jun 27, 2024, at 1:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:



Ron, you are talking about Apples and Oranges here, non pun intended, 
but using biometric authentication like Touch Id or Face Id has 
nothing to do with 2-Factor authentication.


In any case, you cannot set up Touch Id or Face Id without also 
setting up a 6-digit PIN. I say 6-digit because that is the default 
on the iPhone, you can still do a 4-digit PIN, but it's not 
immediately apparent how to do it since Apple wants you to have the 
higher security of a 6 digit PIN.


Not using Touch Id or Face Id depending on which device you have is a 
little bit like using a set of lockpick tools to unlock your front 
door instead of simply using your key. It is very quick, for me at 
least it is highly reliable and for the occasional time when for some 
reason it does not unlock via Face Id, I just use the PIN.


2-Factor authentication is an entirely different security measure as 
it requires you to authenticate your sign-in with a second method in 
addition to entering your password. For example, if I want to log 
into my bank's online system, I go to their website and enter my user 
name and my password, but now instead of getting logged in, another 
screen comes up which tells me that a notification was sent to my 
mobile device and I now first have to unlock my iPhone, then I double 
tap on the notification and I am then presented with my bank's app 
which asks me to confirm that I am trying to sign in. Only when I tap 
on "allow" will the sign in process on the website  complete.


*Other websites or services employ different methods of 2-factor 
authentication, if I sign into Dropbox online I am asked to enter a 
code which I have to get from my authenticator app where I have setup 
Dropbox like that, yet other sites may send a code via text message 
or email.*


**

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Ron Canazzi

*Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:55 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on 
iPhone and iPad


Hi Group,

I always worry about any type of picture/fingerprint/alternative 
method of authentication. I worry that my fingers might have gotten 
dirty or sticky or callused or that I wouldn't be able to position my 
iPhone properly for the AI within the authentication process to 
properly identify my 'ugly' face.

That is why I try avoiding two factor authentication.

On 6/24/2024 4:56 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:

Peter,

I can’t answer your question, but am wondering if you are finding
a problem with it being turned on?

Thanks,

Pam

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Peter Tesar
*Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2024 4:00 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on
iPhone and iPad

Hello,

I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but!

I read on the web that if off, and you turn it on, you have only
2 weeks to turn it off again.

In the 1 year since getting my first iPhone, it must have been
turned on and I didn't know.

Maybe the store clerk who sett me up to get started with SIRI and
VoiceOver,  did it.

I guess that means I can't turn it off.

If anyone knows how to, please let us know.

Peter T.

On 2024-06-24 12:33 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:

I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or
iPad.  I have recently gotten the airpods pro 2^nd
generation, and it seems that in order for them to switch
automatically between the iPhone and iPad, I would need to be
using two factor authentication.

Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this
mean that every time I open my phone, for example, that in
addition to face ID or entering my PIN, I would also need to
enter the code sent to me?

Thanks for any information.

Pam

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Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[Barbara Stahl]

Great job on the explanation I particularly like the analogy to the lockpicks that was greatOn Jun 27, 2024, at 1:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Ron, you are talking about Apples and Oranges here, non pun intended, but using biometric authentication like Touch Id or Face Id has nothing to do with 2-Factor authentication.
In any case, you cannot set up Touch Id or Face Id without also setting up a 6-digit PIN. I say 6-digit because that is the default on the iPhone, you can still do a 4-digit PIN, but it's not immediately apparent
 how to do it since Apple wants you to have the higher security of a 6 digit PIN.
Not using Touch Id or Face Id depending on which device you have is a little bit like using a set of lockpick tools to unlock your front door instead of simply using your key. It is very quick, for me at least
 it is highly reliable and for the occasional time when for some reason it does not unlock via Face Id, I just use the PIN.
2-Factor authentication is an entirely different security measure as it requires you to authenticate your sign-in with a second method in addition to entering your password. For example, if I want to log into
 my bank's online system, I go to their website and enter my user name and my password, but now instead of getting logged in, another screen comes up which tells me that a notification was sent to my mobile device and I now first have to unlock my iPhone, then
 I double tap on the notification and I am then presented with my bank's app which asks me to confirm that I am trying to sign in. Only when I tap on "allow" will the sign in process on the website  complete.


Other websites or services employ different methods of 2-factor authentication, if I sign into Dropbox online I am asked to enter a code which I have to get from my authenticator
 app where I have setup Dropbox like that, yet other sites may send a code via text message or email.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad


 
Hi Group,

I always worry about any type of picture/fingerprint/alternative method of authentication. I worry that my fingers might have gotten dirty or sticky or callused or that I wouldn't be able to position my iPhone properly for the AI within the authentication process
 to properly identify my 'ugly' face.
That is why I try avoiding two factor authentication.



On 6/24/2024 4:56 PM, 
paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:



Peter,
 
I can’t answer your question, but am wondering if you are finding a problem with it being turned on?
 
Thanks,
Pam
 


From:
viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad


 
Hello, 
 
I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but! 
I read on the web that if off, and you turn it on, you have only 2 weeks to turn it off again.
In the 1 year since getting my first iPhone, it must have been turned on and I didn't know.

Maybe the store clerk who sett me up to get started with SIRI and VoiceOver,  did it.

I guess that means I can't turn it off.
 
If anyone knows how to, please let us know.
 
Peter T. 
 
 
 

On 2024-06-24 12:33 PM,
paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:



I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or iPad.  I have recently gotten the airpods pro 2nd generation, and it seems that in order for them to switch
 automatically between the iPhone and iPad, I would need to be using two factor authentication.
 
Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this mean that every time I open my phone, for example, that in addition to face ID or entering my PIN, I would also need
 to enter the code sent to me?  
 
Thanks for any information.
 
Pam
 

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RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Ron, you are talking about Apples and Oranges here, non pun intended, but using 
biometric authentication like Touch Id or Face Id has nothing to do with 
2-Factor authentication.
In any case, you cannot set up Touch Id or Face Id without also setting up a 
6-digit PIN. I say 6-digit because that is the default on the iPhone, you can 
still do a 4-digit PIN, but it's not immediately apparent how to do it since 
Apple wants you to have the higher security of a 6 digit PIN.
Not using Touch Id or Face Id depending on which device you have is a little 
bit like using a set of lockpick tools to unlock your front door instead of 
simply using your key. It is very quick, for me at least it is highly reliable 
and for the occasional time when for some reason it does not unlock via Face 
Id, I just use the PIN.
2-Factor authentication is an entirely different security measure as it 
requires you to authenticate your sign-in with a second method in addition to 
entering your password. For example, if I want to log into my bank's online 
system, I go to their website and enter my user name and my password, but now 
instead of getting logged in, another screen comes up which tells me that a 
notification was sent to my mobile device and I now first have to unlock my 
iPhone, then I double tap on the notification and I am then presented with my 
bank's app which asks me to confirm that I am trying to sign in. Only when I 
tap on "allow" will the sign in process on the website  complete.
Other websites or services employ different methods of 2-factor authentication, 
if I sign into Dropbox online I am asked to enter a code which I have to get 
from my authenticator app where I have setup Dropbox like that, yet other sites 
may send a code via text message or email.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

Hi Group,

I always worry about any type of picture/fingerprint/alternative method of 
authentication. I worry that my fingers might have gotten dirty or sticky or 
callused or that I wouldn't be able to position my iPhone properly for the AI 
within the authentication process to properly identify my 'ugly' face.
That is why I try avoiding two factor authentication.

On 6/24/2024 4:56 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com<mailto:paekstr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,

I can’t answer your question, but am wondering if you are finding a problem 
with it being turned on?

Thanks,
Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Peter 
Tesar
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad


Hello,



I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but!

I read on the web that if off, and you turn it on, you have only 2 weeks to 
turn it off again.

In the 1 year since getting my first iPhone, it must have been turned on and I 
didn't know.

Maybe the store clerk who sett me up to get started with SIRI and VoiceOver,  
did it.

I guess that means I can't turn it off.



If anyone knows how to, please let us know.



Peter T.





On 2024-06-24 12:33 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com<mailto:paekstr...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or iPad.  I have 
recently gotten the airpods pro 2nd generation, and it seems that in order for 
them to switch automatically between the iPhone and iPad, I would need to be 
using two factor authentication.

Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this mean that every 
time I open my phone, for example, that in addition to face ID or entering my 
PIN, I would also need to enter the code sent to me?

Thanks for any information.

Pam

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Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Group,

I always worry about any type of picture/fingerprint/alternative method 
of authentication. I worry that my fingers might have gotten dirty or 
sticky or callused or that I wouldn't be able to position my iPhone 
properly for the AI within the authentication process to properly 
identify my 'ugly' face.

That is why I try avoiding two factor authentication.


On 6/24/2024 4:56 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:


Peter,

I can’t answer your question, but am wondering if you are finding a 
problem with it being turned on?


Thanks,

Pam

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Peter Tesar

*Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2024 4:00 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on 
iPhone and iPad


Hello,

I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but!

I read on the web that if off, and you turn it on, you have only 2 
weeks to turn it off again.


In the 1 year since getting my first iPhone, it must have been turned 
on and I didn't know.


Maybe the store clerk who sett me up to get started with SIRI and 
VoiceOver,  did it.


I guess that means I can't turn it off.

If anyone knows how to, please let us know.

Peter T.

On 2024-06-24 12:33 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:

I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or
iPad.  I have recently gotten the airpods pro 2^nd generation, and
it seems that in order for them to switch automatically between
the iPhone and iPad, I would need to be using two factor
authentication.

Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this mean
that every time I open my phone, for example, that in addition to
face ID or entering my PIN, I would also need to enter the code
sent to me?

Thanks for any information.

Pam

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Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,


I have been using 2factor autthentication for several years and the only 
time i have had to enter a six digit code is when signing in to my 
account on a new device.  Not sure if it needs to be enabled for 
anything else.  I think new devices are required to have it though.



Matthew



On 6/24/2024 12:33 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:


I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or iPad.  I 
have recently gotten the airpods pro 2^nd generation, and it seems 
that in order for them to switch automatically between the iPhone and 
iPad, I would need to be using two factor authentication.


Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this mean 
that every time I open my phone, for example, that in addition to face 
ID or entering my PIN, I would also need to enter the code sent to me?


Thanks for any information.

Pam

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RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[paekstrand]

Peter,

 

I can’t answer your question, but am wondering if you are finding a problem 
with it being turned on?

 

Thanks,

Pam

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
Tesar
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

 

Hello, 

 

I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but! 

I read on the web that if off, and you turn it on, you have only 2 weeks to 
turn it off again.

In the 1 year since getting my first iPhone, it must have been turned on and I 
didn't know. 

Maybe the store clerk who sett me up to get started with SIRI and VoiceOver,  
did it. 

I guess that means I can't turn it off.

 

If anyone knows how to, please let us know.

 

Peter T. 

 

 

 

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wrote:

I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or iPad.  I have 
recently gotten the airpods pro 2nd generation, and it seems that in order for 
them to switch automatically between the iPhone and iPad, I would need to be 
using two factor authentication.

 

Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this mean that every 
time I open my phone, for example, that in addition to face ID or entering my 
PIN, I would also need to enter the code sent to me?  

 

Thanks for any information.

 

Pam

 

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Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[Peter Tesar]

Hello,


I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but!

I read on the web that if off, and you turn it on, you have only 2 weeks 
to turn it off again.


In the 1 year since getting my first iPhone, it must have been turned on 
and I didn't know.


Maybe the store clerk who sett me up to get started with SIRI and 
VoiceOver,  did it.


I guess that means I can't turn it off.


If anyone knows how to, please let us know.


Peter T.




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I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or iPad.  I 
have recently gotten the airpods pro 2^nd generation, and it seems 
that in order for them to switch automatically between the iPhone and 
iPad, I would need to be using two factor authentication.


Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this mean 
that every time I open my phone, for example, that in addition to face 
ID or entering my PIN, I would also need to enter the code sent to me?


Thanks for any information.

Pam

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Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[paekstrand]

I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or iPad.  I have
recently gotten the airpods pro 2nd generation, and it seems that in order
for them to switch automatically between the iPhone and iPad, I would need
to be using two factor authentication.

 

Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this mean that
every time I open my phone, for example, that in addition to face ID or
entering my PIN, I would also need to enter the code sent to me?  

 

Thanks for any information.

 

Pam

 

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Re: Looking for an iPhone or IPad microphone

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Hi,
Do any of the Canadian users up here know if there is something similar or this 
model for sale in Amazon Canada as I am not in the US so don't have access to 
the US Amazon App Store.
Jen

> On Jun 21, 2024, at 5:01 PM, David Erich  wrote:
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> Yes there is a wireless mic that plugs in to the charge port on your phone. 
> There are 2 microphones in this package and they claim to have a 200 foot 
> range. here is the lik: LEVN Wireless Lavalier Microphone, Microphone for 
> iPhone (2 TX + 2 RX + Charging Case), Mini Mic with Noise Cancellation, 20H 
> Battery, 200ft, Wireless Microphone for iPhone 15/14/13/12, Android, PC 
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQR56KDX?psc=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_ct_PK2ADQC65947DV4Q5YB0&language=en_US
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>> Hi hope some of you experienced users can help me out with this.  Not sure 
>> if this is a but are there microphones that you can just plug into your 
>> phone or iPad that will allow you to be able to be heard by others without 
>> meaning a stereo system or some big fancy set up.  
>> Alternatively are there Bluetooth wireless microphones, which will do the 
>> same thing not looking to spend a huge amount of money, but I am president 
>> of a Lions Club. I have to run the meetings and don't have a loud voice, so 
>> want to be sure everyone can hear me since some of our members have a hard 
>> time hearing.
>> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>> Jen
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Re: Looking for an iPhone or IPad microphone

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Yes there is a wireless mic that plugs in to the charge port on your phone. 
There are 2 microphones in this package and they claim to have a 200 foot 
range. here is the lik: LEVN Wireless Lavalier Microphone, Microphone for 
iPhone (2 TX + 2 RX + Charging Case), Mini Mic with Noise Cancellation, 20H 
Battery, 200ft, Wireless Microphone for iPhone 15/14/13/12, Android, PC 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQR56KDX?psc=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_ct_PK2ADQC65947DV4Q5YB0&language=en_US

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> Hi hope some of you experienced users can help me out with this.  Not sure 
> if this is a but are there microphones that you can just plug into your phone 
> or iPad that will allow you to be able to be heard by others without meaning 
> a stereo system or some big fancy set up.  
> Alternatively are there Bluetooth wireless microphones, which will do the 
> same thing not looking to spend a huge amount of money, but I am president of 
> a Lions Club. I have to run the meetings and don't have a loud voice, so want 
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> hearing.
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Re: Looking for an iPhone or IPad microphone

[Richard Turner]

It sounds like what you mean is a speaker that will become like an amplifier 
when you talk through your iPad, etc. 
There are some apps that do this. So you connect a bluetooth speaker to your 
iPad/iPhone and then the app turns your device into a microphone that 
broadcasts over the speaker. 
One called "Bluetooth Loud Speaker" does work, but I think there was a little 
delay. I have not used it in a long time. Its free, and the link is below. 
There may be others,  but this may get you on the right track: 
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bluetooth-loudspeaker/id1462186966


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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:07 AM, Jen .  wrote:
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> if this is a but are there microphones that you can just plug into your phone 
> or iPad that will allow you to be able to be heard by others without meaning 
> a stereo system or some big fancy set up.  
> Alternatively are there Bluetooth wireless microphones, which will do the 
> same thing not looking to spend a huge amount of money, but I am president of 
> a Lions Club. I have to run the meetings and don't have a loud voice, so want 
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> hearing.
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
> Jen
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Looking for an iPhone or IPad microphone

[Jen .]

Hi hope some of you experienced users can help me out with this.  Not sure if 
this is a but are there microphones that you can just plug into your phone or 
iPad that will allow you to be able to be heard by others without meaning a 
stereo system or some big fancy set up.  
Alternatively are there Bluetooth wireless microphones, which will do the same 
thing not looking to spend a huge amount of money, but I am president of a 
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be sure everyone can hear me since some of our members have a hard time hearing.
Thanks for any help you can provide.
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ElevenLabs Reader for iPhone and iPad

[leobado1982]

Hi, has anyone tried the ElevenLabs  Reader for iPhone and iPad with voice
over? If so, what's your impression in terms of accessibility? What do you
think about the AI voices allegedly the best natural-like voices? In I will
let you the link to the Appstore in case you don't have it yet, but I'm
asking for opinions because the app isn't available in my region. Here's the
link:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/elevenlabs-reader-ai-audio/id6479373050

 

 

 

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11 Labs Reader for iPhone and iPad.

[leobado1982]

Hello. Does anyone know of any demonstration showing how this app works with
Voice Over? For those of you who may not know about this, it is basically a
reader powered by the 11 Labs AI voices. According to the description on
Appstore, epub and PDF files are supported as well as URL's  and any text
copied into the app itself. Thanks for any info!

 

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RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Your best excuse is simply that you feel it's time to upgrade and that you want 
to do it. 

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Darn, I was hoping IOS 18 wouldn't support the iPhone 11 so I'd have an excuse 
to upgrade my iPhone. I guess I'll have to work on coming up with another 
reason! 😉

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Subject: RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

At this point, it is all rumor, but here is what I found after a quick search.
iOS 18 device compatibility
Today’s rumor comes after an initial rumor last month offered our first look at 
iOS 18 device compatibility. At the time, however, we cautioned skepticism 
because the rumor was posted and quickly deleted, suggesting the source wasn’t 
confident in their claims.

In what seems to be a more concrete rumor today, shared on social media by a 
private account with a strong track record, here’s which devices will be 
compatible with iOS 18:

iPhone 15
iPhone 15 Plus
iPhone 15 Pro
iPhone 15 Pro Max
iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE (2nd generation)
iPhone SE (3rd generation)
For those keeping track at home, this means that iOS 18 will be compatible with 
all the same devices as iOS 17.

iPadOS 18 compatibility
For iPad users, the account says that iPadOS 18 will drop support for the 
following devices:

iPad (6th generation)
iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd generation)
iPad Pro (10.5-inch)
Other than those changes, iPadOS 18 will be compatible with the same devices as 
iPadOS 17. This includes the iPad (7th generation), which was first introduced 
in 2019 and is powered by the A10 Fusion chip.

iPadOS 18 compatibility:

iPad: 2019 and later
iPad mini: 2019 and later
iPad Air: 2019 and later
iPad Pro 2018 and later
This is a bit odd. The iPad Pro (10.5-inch) and iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd 
generation) are both powered by the A10X Fusion processor, and will reportedly 
be dropped by iPadOS 18. The iPad (7th generation), meanwhile, is powered by 
the A10 Fusion and will reportedly support iPadOS 18.

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Can anyone tell me if the Ipad 8th generation will support the next ipad os 18? 
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RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

[Carolyn Arnold]

Christopher, you probably would get a better trade in if you upgrade from 11 
now, rather than when it is no longer supported. So there, you have an excuse. 
You're welcome, LOL! 

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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 6:48 PM
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Subject: RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

Darn, I was hoping IOS 18 wouldn't support the iPhone 11 so I'd have an excuse 
to upgrade my iPhone. I guess I'll have to work on coming up with another 
reason! 😉

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Subject: RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

At this point, it is all rumor, but here is what I found after a quick search.
iOS 18 device compatibility
Today’s rumor comes after an initial rumor last month offered our first look at 
iOS 18 device compatibility. At the time, however, we cautioned skepticism 
because the rumor was posted and quickly deleted, suggesting the source wasn’t 
confident in their claims.

In what seems to be a more concrete rumor today, shared on social media by a 
private account with a strong track record, here’s which devices will be 
compatible with iOS 18:

iPhone 15
iPhone 15 Plus
iPhone 15 Pro
iPhone 15 Pro Max
iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE (2nd generation)
iPhone SE (3rd generation)
For those keeping track at home, this means that iOS 18 will be compatible with 
all the same devices as iOS 17.

iPadOS 18 compatibility
For iPad users, the account says that iPadOS 18 will drop support for the 
following devices:

iPad (6th generation)
iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd generation)
iPad Pro (10.5-inch)
Other than those changes, iPadOS 18 will be compatible with the same devices as 
iPadOS 17. This includes the iPad (7th generation), which was first introduced 
in 2019 and is powered by the A10 Fusion chip.

iPadOS 18 compatibility:

iPad: 2019 and later
iPad mini: 2019 and later
iPad Air: 2019 and later
iPad Pro 2018 and later
This is a bit odd. The iPad Pro (10.5-inch) and iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd 
generation) are both powered by the A10X Fusion processor, and will reportedly 
be dropped by iPadOS 18. The iPad (7th generation), meanwhile, is powered by 
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Can anyone tell me if the Ipad 8th generation will support the next ipad os 18? 
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RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

[Christopher Chaltain]

Darn, I was hoping IOS 18 wouldn't support the iPhone 11 so I'd have an excuse 
to upgrade my iPhone. I guess I'll have to work on coming up with another 
reason! 😉

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 11:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

At this point, it is all rumor, but here is what I found after a quick search.
iOS 18 device compatibility
Today’s rumor comes after an initial rumor last month offered our first look at 
iOS 18 device compatibility. At the time, however, we cautioned skepticism 
because the rumor was posted and quickly deleted, suggesting the source wasn’t 
confident in their claims.

In what seems to be a more concrete rumor today, shared on social media by a 
private account with a strong track record, here’s which devices will be 
compatible with iOS 18:

iPhone 15
iPhone 15 Plus
iPhone 15 Pro
iPhone 15 Pro Max
iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE (2nd generation)
iPhone SE (3rd generation)
For those keeping track at home, this means that iOS 18 will be compatible with 
all the same devices as iOS 17.

iPadOS 18 compatibility
For iPad users, the account says that iPadOS 18 will drop support for the 
following devices:

iPad (6th generation)
iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd generation)
iPad Pro (10.5-inch)
Other than those changes, iPadOS 18 will be compatible with the same devices as 
iPadOS 17. This includes the iPad (7th generation), which was first introduced 
in 2019 and is powered by the A10 Fusion chip.

iPadOS 18 compatibility:

iPad: 2019 and later
iPad mini: 2019 and later
iPad Air: 2019 and later
iPad Pro 2018 and later
This is a bit odd. The iPad Pro (10.5-inch) and iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd 
generation) are both powered by the A10X Fusion processor, and will reportedly 
be dropped by iPadOS 18. The iPad (7th generation), meanwhile, is powered by 
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Can anyone tell me if the Ipad 8th generation will support the next ipad os 18? 
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RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

[llumpkin]

Thank you very much.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

At this point, it is all rumor, but here is what I found after a quick search.
iOS 18 device compatibility
Today’s rumor comes after an initial rumor last month offered our first look at 
iOS 18 device compatibility. At the time, however, we cautioned skepticism 
because the rumor was posted and quickly deleted, suggesting the source wasn’t 
confident in their claims.

In what seems to be a more concrete rumor today, shared on social media by a 
private account with a strong track record, here’s which devices will be 
compatible with iOS 18:

iPhone 15
iPhone 15 Plus
iPhone 15 Pro
iPhone 15 Pro Max
iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE (2nd generation)
iPhone SE (3rd generation)
For those keeping track at home, this means that iOS 18 will be compatible with 
all the same devices as iOS 17.

iPadOS 18 compatibility
For iPad users, the account says that iPadOS 18 will drop support for the 
following devices:

iPad (6th generation)
iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd generation)
iPad Pro (10.5-inch)
Other than those changes, iPadOS 18 will be compatible with the same devices as 
iPadOS 17. This includes the iPad (7th generation), which was first introduced 
in 2019 and is powered by the A10 Fusion chip.

iPadOS 18 compatibility: 

iPad: 2019 and later
iPad mini: 2019 and later
iPad Air: 2019 and later
iPad Pro 2018 and later
This is a bit odd. The iPad Pro (10.5-inch) and iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd 
generation) are both powered by the A10X Fusion processor, and will reportedly 
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[Richard Turner]

At this point, it is all rumor, but here is what I found after a quick search.
iOS 18 device compatibility
Today’s rumor comes after an initial rumor last month offered our first look at 
iOS 18 device compatibility. At the time, however, we cautioned skepticism 
because the rumor was posted and quickly deleted, suggesting the source wasn’t 
confident in their claims.

In what seems to be a more concrete rumor today, shared on social media by a 
private account with a strong track record, here’s which devices will be 
compatible with iOS 18:

iPhone 15
iPhone 15 Plus
iPhone 15 Pro
iPhone 15 Pro Max
iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE (2nd generation)
iPhone SE (3rd generation)
For those keeping track at home, this means that iOS 18 will be compatible with 
all the same devices as iOS 17.

iPadOS 18 compatibility
For iPad users, the account says that iPadOS 18 will drop support for the 
following devices:

iPad (6th generation)
iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd generation)
iPad Pro (10.5-inch)
Other than those changes, iPadOS 18 will be compatible with the same devices as 
iPadOS 17. This includes the iPad (7th generation), which was first introduced 
in 2019 and is powered by the A10 Fusion chip.

iPadOS 18 compatibility: 

iPad: 2019 and later
iPad mini: 2019 and later
iPad Air: 2019 and later
iPad Pro 2018 and later
This is a bit odd. The iPad Pro (10.5-inch) and iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd 
generation) are both powered by the A10X Fusion processor, and will reportedly 
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Can anyone tell me if the Ipad 8th generation will support the next ipad os
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RE: Kindle on ipad issue

[Richard Turner]

Hi Fanus,

It appears there is only one way to email them and that is to find the contact 
us at the Amazon Help site and filling out a form.

Here is an article about that:

https://robots.net/tech/how-to-email-amazon-customer-service/

 

I hope it helps.  I would also suggest going to your Amazon Account and 
returning the book and maybe previous ones if it hasn’t been too long.  I 
forget how long you have to return an item.

 

Best of luck,

Richard, USA

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fanus 
Buys
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kindle on ipad issue

 

Hello Richard

I live in South Africa, so it is very expensive to phone Amazon from this side. 
The interesting thing is that I tried the book on my Samsung phone and on a 
Chromebook and both have the same problem, so 3 different screen readers react 
the same. I also read a page with Seeing AI on my cell phone by pointing it to 
the iPad screen and Seeing AI had no problem to read correctly. The other 
interesting point is that when I read character by character I find that the 
letters c and e cause the problem.

 Regards

Fanus

 

 

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 4:33 PM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I am not finding an email for Amazon Accessibiblity. Perhaps they have a phone 
number. Remind me where you live? 

 

 

Richard, USA

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

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On Mar 3, 2024, at 3:42 AM, Fanus Buys mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hello Richard

I usually use the Tessa South African English voice but I tried UK Daniel and 
US Samantha but the result is the same. I also changed to the font you 
suggested and I switched "detect language" on. The interesting fact is that my 
wife reads the text on the screen and she says everything looks fine. This is 
about the forth Kindle book where I encounter this. I have many other books 
which read correctly. I wonder if Kindle has an accessibility email address 
where I can report the issue?

Regards

Fanus

 

 

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 12:09 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I just tried a couple books from my Kindle library on my iPad Mini 6 and had no 
trouble.

 

1.  which voice are you using?

2.  is that your default voice?

3.  If it is, do you have detect language on under settings, VoiceOver, speech?

4.  Which font did you change to?

I had some trouble reading with the default font, so I changed it to Open 
Dyslexic and it reads fine.

The font makes no difference to me since I am totally blind, but apparently it 
made a difference to the app..

 

 

Richard, USA

"At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."

-- Wolfgang Von Goethe 

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155) 

JAWS version 2024.2312.99

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Fanus Buys
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 3:53 AM
To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Kindle on ipad issue

 

Hello list

I purchased a kindle book and I made sure that the product details state that 
text to speech and screen readers are enabled but the book does not play 
correctly on my iPad. The moment I swipe down with two fingers for continuous 
reading it sounds if there are no spaces between words and if there are strange 
sounds, like a different language. I changed the font and size of text but the 
problem continues. Has anyone encountered this or should I just return the 
book. The problem is that it is not the first time that I encounter this 
problem and it is just strange that the kindle app can not read books meant for 
kindle.

Regards

Fanus

 

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Re: Kindle on ipad issue

[Fanus Buys]

Hello Richard
I live in South Africa, so it is very expensive to phone Amazon from this
side. The interesting thing is that I tried the book on my Samsung phone
and on a Chromebook and both have the same problem, so 3 different screen
readers react the same. I also read a page with Seeing AI on my cell phone
by pointing it to the iPad screen and Seeing AI had no problem to read
correctly. The other interesting point is that when I read character by
character I find that the letters c and e cause the problem.
 Regards
Fanus


On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 4:33 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> I am not finding an email for Amazon Accessibiblity. Perhaps they have a
> phone number. Remind me where you live?
>
>
> Richard, USA
>
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God
> stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to
> get it.”
>
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>
>
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2024, at 3:42 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
>
> 
> Hello Richard
> I usually use the Tessa South African English voice but I tried UK Daniel
> and US Samantha but the result is the same. I also changed to the font you
> suggested and I switched "detect language" on. The interesting fact is that
> my wife reads the text on the screen and she says everything looks fine.
> This is about the forth Kindle book where I encounter this. I have many
> other books which read correctly. I wonder if Kindle has an accessibility
> email address where I can report the issue?
> Regards
> Fanus
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 12:09 AM Richard Turner <
> richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I just tried a couple books from my Kindle library on my iPad Mini 6 and
>> had no trouble.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.  which voice are you using?
>>
>> 2.  is that your default voice?
>>
>> 3.  If it is, do you have detect language on under settings, VoiceOver,
>> speech?
>>
>> 4.  Which font did you change to?
>>
>> I had some trouble reading with the default font, so I changed it to Open
>> Dyslexic and it reads fine.
>>
>> The font makes no difference to me since I am totally blind, but
>> apparently it made a difference to the app..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA
>>
>> "At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."
>>
>> -- Wolfgang Von Goethe
>>
>>
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> Microsoft Windows Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155)
>>
>> JAWS version 2024.2312.99
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf
>> Of *Fanus Buys
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 2, 2024 3:53 AM
>> *To:* viphone 
>> *Subject:* Kindle on ipad issue
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello list
>>
>> I purchased a kindle book and I made sure that the product details state
>> that text to speech and screen readers are enabled but the book does not
>> play correctly on my iPad. The moment I swipe down with two fingers for
>> continuous reading it sounds if there are no spaces between words and if
>> there are strange sounds, like a different language. I changed the font and
>> size of text but the problem continues. Has anyone encountered this or
>> should I just return the book. The problem is that it is not the first time
>> that I encounter this problem and it is just strange that the kindle app
>> can not read books meant for kindle.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Fanus
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Kindle on ipad issue

[Richard Turner]

I am not finding an email for Amazon Accessibiblity. Perhaps they have a phone number. Remind me where you live? Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Mar 3, 2024, at 3:42 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:Hello RichardI usually use the Tessa South African English voice but I tried UK Daniel and US Samantha but the result is the same. I also changed to the font you suggested and I switched "detect language" on. The interesting fact is that my wife reads the text on the screen and she says everything looks fine. This is about the forth Kindle book where I encounter this. I have many other books which read correctly. I wonder if Kindle has an accessibility email address where I can report the issue?RegardsFanusOn Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 12:09 AM Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:I just tried a couple books from my Kindle library on my iPad Mini 6 and had no trouble. 1.  which voice are you using?2.  is that your default voice?3.  If it is, do you have detect language on under settings, VoiceOver, speech?4.  Which font did you change to?I had some trouble reading with the default font, so I changed it to Open Dyslexic and it reads fine.The font makes no difference to me since I am totally blind, but apparently it made a difference to the app..  Richard, USA"At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you." -- Wolfgang Von Goethe  My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155) JAWS version 2024.2312.99 From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Fanus BuysSent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 3:53 AMTo: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>Subject: Kindle on ipad issue Hello listI purchased a kindle book and I made sure that the product details state that text to speech and screen readers are enabled but the book does not play correctly on my iPad. The moment I swipe down with two fingers for continuous reading it sounds if there are no spaces between words and if there are strange sounds, like a different language. I changed the font and size of text but the problem continues. Has anyone encountered this or should I just return the book. The problem is that it is not the first time that I encounter this problem and it is just strange that the kindle app can not read books meant for kindle.RegardsFanus -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CA%2B_g1Kp0DW2itF-L1Bya4U8FjcWJBVhzUvVhQ%3DKu31-X%3DDvb_w%40mail.gmail.com.



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Re: Kindle on ipad issue

[Fanus Buys]

Hello Richard
I usually use the Tessa South African English voice but I tried UK Daniel
and US Samantha but the result is the same. I also changed to the font you
suggested and I switched "detect language" on. The interesting fact is that
my wife reads the text on the screen and she says everything looks fine.
This is about the forth Kindle book where I encounter this. I have many
other books which read correctly. I wonder if Kindle has an accessibility
email address where I can report the issue?
Regards
Fanus


On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 12:09 AM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> I just tried a couple books from my Kindle library on my iPad Mini 6 and
> had no trouble.
>
>
>
> 1.  which voice are you using?
>
> 2.  is that your default voice?
>
> 3.  If it is, do you have detect language on under settings, VoiceOver,
> speech?
>
> 4.  Which font did you change to?
>
> I had some trouble reading with the default font, so I changed it to Open
> Dyslexic and it reads fine.
>
> The font makes no difference to me since I am totally blind, but
> apparently it made a difference to the app..
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA
>
> "At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."
>
> -- Wolfgang Von Goethe
>
>
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>
>
>
> Microsoft Windows Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155)
>
> JAWS version 2024.2312.99
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Fanus Buys
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 2, 2024 3:53 AM
> *To:* viphone 
> *Subject:* Kindle on ipad issue
>
>
>
> Hello list
>
> I purchased a kindle book and I made sure that the product details state
> that text to speech and screen readers are enabled but the book does not
> play correctly on my iPad. The moment I swipe down with two fingers for
> continuous reading it sounds if there are no spaces between words and if
> there are strange sounds, like a different language. I changed the font and
> size of text but the problem continues. Has anyone encountered this or
> should I just return the book. The problem is that it is not the first time
> that I encounter this problem and it is just strange that the kindle app
> can not read books meant for kindle.
>
> Regards
>
> Fanus
>
>
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RE: Kindle on ipad issue

[Richard Turner]

I just tried a couple books from my Kindle library on my iPad Mini 6 and had no 
trouble.

 

1.  which voice are you using?

2.  is that your default voice?

3.  If it is, do you have detect language on under settings, VoiceOver, speech?

4.  Which font did you change to?

I had some trouble reading with the default font, so I changed it to Open 
Dyslexic and it reads fine.

The font makes no difference to me since I am totally blind, but apparently it 
made a difference to the app..

 

 

Richard, USA

"At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."

-- Wolfgang Von Goethe 

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155) 

JAWS version 2024.2312.99

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fanus 
Buys
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 3:53 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Kindle on ipad issue

 

Hello list

I purchased a kindle book and I made sure that the product details state that 
text to speech and screen readers are enabled but the book does not play 
correctly on my iPad. The moment I swipe down with two fingers for continuous 
reading it sounds if there are no spaces between words and if there are strange 
sounds, like a different language. I changed the font and size of text but the 
problem continues. Has anyone encountered this or should I just return the 
book. The problem is that it is not the first time that I encounter this 
problem and it is just strange that the kindle app can not read books meant for 
kindle.

Regards

Fanus

 

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Kindle on ipad issue

[Fanus Buys]

Hello list
I purchased a kindle book and I made sure that the product details state
that text to speech and screen readers are enabled but the book does not
play correctly on my iPad. The moment I swipe down with two fingers for
continuous reading it sounds if there are no spaces between words and if
there are strange sounds, like a different language. I changed the font and
size of text but the problem continues. Has anyone encountered this or
should I just return the book. The problem is that it is not the first time
that I encounter this problem and it is just strange that the kindle app
can not read books meant for kindle.
Regards
Fanus

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Subject: Apple's Shazam can now identify songs playing inside other iPhone and 
iPad apps even while you're wearing headphones, iMore

 

iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
Friday, January 26, 2024

Apple's Shazam can now identify songs playing inside other iPhone and iPad apps 
even while you're wearing headphones

Apple's Shazam is now better than ever.
 
Shazam has long been the go-to app for people who want to know what song 
they're listening to but now it's better than ever thanks to a new version 17.3 
update.

The new update, which is now available for download via the App Store, adds 
support for identifying songs from other apps while you're listening via 
headphones for the very first time.

The new feature comes after Shazam was already able to identify songs from 
within other apps, but it was previously only able to do so while there were no 
headphones connected, limiting the usability somewhat. With Shazam 17.3, that 
has now changed.

Music to your ears
The new update, which can be downloaded for free now, works with both wired and 
Bluetooth headphones and earbuds which means AirPods, AirPods Max, and 
third-party options are all good to go. The lack of a requirement for Apple 
accessories is something that is definitely worth noting here.
"You can now identify music while wearing headphones (wired or Bluetooth)," the 
app's release notes explain. "Simply open the app, check for the headphone icon 
to confirm your headphones are connected, and then start recognizing music 
around you or within apps like TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube."

Apple bought Shazam back in 2017 and has been steadily integrating it with iOS 
and its other software for years. The app offers multiple widgets for quick 
music identification and more, but the ability to identify music from within 
another app is a huge boon for people who hear a song in an ad or video and 
want to be able to find out what it was.

More from iMore
•Shazam — Everything you need to know!
•Shazam now works 'harder' and 'longer' to recognize the song 
that's playing
•Shazam now puts your song history in Control Center even if you 
used Siri

Original Article at:
https://www.imore.com/apps/audio-apps/apples-shazam-can-now-identify-songs-playing-inside-other-iphone-and-ipad-apps-even-while-youre-wearing-headphones

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RE: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a Certain Percentage

[Katrina Anderson]

So, I managed to remedy the problem/question asked below.  I could try to share 
what I did, but I’m honestly not exactly sure of the process.  What I do know 
is that all the digging I did in settings was not the road to travel.  The 
solution is to open Shortcuts, select the desired shortcut, and that’s where 
things are not clear enough to go into accurate detail.  I was able to switch 
the voice away from Samantha, to my desired voice, but I probably could have 
figured out how to keep Samantha and customize her voice so that she doesn’t 
speak so darn slow/deep.  Whew, what a process, but my shortcuts for low 
battery are working as I want/need.
 
Katrina
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Katrina 
Anderson
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2024 11:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to 
Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a 
Certain Percentage
 
I am just getting around to following up on this; have really missed not having 
the notification of low battery.  I have set up a couple of shortcuts, 
including one to alert battery is less than 20%, and another to alert at 10%.  
The battery is nowhere that low, so I’m interested to see if it works.  
However, when clicking on the option to run the shortcut, I heard the 
appropriate alert that I had created, so that is promising.  However, my issue 
is the voice that speaks the message is a slow Samatha, which I use to use, 
until I chose to switch to using English Siri 1, 2 & 4.  The former is used for 
Siri, but I’m thinking it may also be an option for Voiceover.  I have 
designated English Siri 4 as default, and I’m assuming that directly relates to 
Voiceover.  In short, am I stuck listening to the very slow Samatha for my 
shortcut alerts? 
 
I’ve played around quite a bit under “Accessibility,” “Voiceover;” set speed to 
anywhere from 50-60.  Under “Spoken,” I hear “Voice Siri 1 United States;” when 
clicking on that, and swiping over, I find “Siri Voice 1” is selected,” but of 
course I am able to switch to Samantha if desired.  However, the only 
adjustment to Samantha’s voice is “timbre” and “sentence pause.”  Somewhere in 
my messing around, I managed to delete or maybe it is more unload/uninstall the 
voice, but it is still here in these options, and it shows up in the rotor when 
Samantha is selected.  I’ve switched back to “Siri Voice 1,,” Samantha is gone 
from the rotor and Siri Voice 1 is back.  
 
Under “Accessibility,” “Voiceover,” and “Verbosity,” I select “System 
Notifications,” and select “Speak” where possible.  There isn’t an option to 
alter the voice of System Notifications.
 
Under “Accessibility,” “Voiceover,” “Audio,” I didn’t find anything that seemed 
to apply.
 
Under “Accessibility,” “Spoken,” “Voices,” the first button after the header 
“System Voices,” is “English Siri Voice 1;” double tap on that button changes 
nothing; I don’t hear “selected.”  Samantha is not present anywhere, and I 
don’t see how to  do much except select a voice/language that I don’t want.  
Going back a screen, to the right of “Voices,” is “Default Language English 
Button.”  Double tap on that button leads me to a similar screen; it appears I 
could select “Locale,” whatever that is or “English,” and the latter is 
selected.   
 
Under “Siri and Search,” I find “Language English United States Button.”  
Clicking on that didn’t help.
 
Under “Siri and Search,” I find “”Siri Voice American Voice 1.”  Clicking there 
wasn’t helpful; could have selected another Siri voice…nothing about Samantha.
 
And so much more investigation, trial/error in Settings, didn’t bring me 
success.  Thoughts?
 
Katrina
From: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 3:37 PM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to Automatically 
Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a Certain Percentage
 
Hello Everyone,

If you would like to have your iPhone automatically announce when the battery 
level falls below a certain percentage, with VoiceOver enabled, do the 
following:

1.
Launch the Shortcuts app.

2.
Select the Automation tab, located near the bottom of the display.

3.
Select the Add button, located near the top right corner of the display.  A 
list of choices will appear.

4.
Select Battery Level.  A new screen will appear.

5.
Adjust the slider to the desired battery level that will automatically activate 
the shortcut.  The default level is 50%.

6.
On this same screen, select the “Falls Below” option.  Of course, you should 
select either of the other two options in this area, as well.

7.
In the third and final area of this screen, select the “Run Immediately” 
option.  Selecting this option will cause another option to be displayed said 
option being to not only announce the battery level but to also place a 
not

RE: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a Certain Percentage

[Katrina Anderson]

I am just getting around to following up on this; have really missed not having 
the notification of low battery.  I have set up a couple of shortcuts, 
including one to alert battery is less than 20%, and another to alert at 10%.  
The battery is nowhere that low, so I’m interested to see if it works.  
However, when clicking on the option to run the shortcut, I heard the 
appropriate alert that I had created, so that is promising.  However, my issue 
is the voice that speaks the message is a slow Samatha, which I use to use, 
until I chose to switch to using English Siri 1, 2 & 4.  The former is used for 
Siri, but I’m thinking it may also be an option for Voiceover.  I have 
designated English Siri 4 as default, and I’m assuming that directly relates to 
Voiceover.  In short, am I stuck listening to the very slow Samatha for my 
shortcut alerts? 
 
I’ve played around quite a bit under “Accessibility,” “Voiceover;” set speed to 
anywhere from 50-60.  Under “Spoken,” I hear “Voice Siri 1 United States;” when 
clicking on that, and swiping over, I find “Siri Voice 1” is selected,” but of 
course I am able to switch to Samantha if desired.  However, the only 
adjustment to Samantha’s voice is “timbre” and “sentence pause.”  Somewhere in 
my messing around, I managed to delete or maybe it is more unload/uninstall the 
voice, but it is still here in these options, and it shows up in the rotor when 
Samantha is selected.  I’ve switched back to “Siri Voice 1,,” Samantha is gone 
from the rotor and Siri Voice 1 is back.  
 
Under “Accessibility,” “Voiceover,” and “Verbosity,” I select “System 
Notifications,” and select “Speak” where possible.  There isn’t an option to 
alter the voice of System Notifications.
 
Under “Accessibility,” “Voiceover,” “Audio,” I didn’t find anything that seemed 
to apply.
 
Under “Accessibility,” “Spoken,” “Voices,” the first button after the header 
“System Voices,” is “English Siri Voice 1;” double tap on that button changes 
nothing; I don’t hear “selected.”  Samantha is not present anywhere, and I 
don’t see how to  do much except select a voice/language that I don’t want.  
Going back a screen, to the right of “Voices,” is “Default Language English 
Button.”  Double tap on that button leads me to a similar screen; it appears I 
could select “Locale,” whatever that is or “English,” and the latter is 
selected.   
 
Under “Siri and Search,” I find “Language English United States Button.”  
Clicking on that didn’t help.
 
Under “Siri and Search,” I find “”Siri Voice American Voice 1.”  Clicking there 
wasn’t helpful; could have selected another Siri voice…nothing about Samantha.
 
And so much more investigation, trial/error in Settings, didn’t bring me 
success.  Thoughts?
 
Katrina
From: VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 3:37 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to Automatically 
Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a Certain Percentage
 
Hello Everyone,

If you would like to have your iPhone automatically announce when the battery 
level falls below a certain percentage, with VoiceOver enabled, do the 
following:

1.
Launch the Shortcuts app.

2.
Select the Automation tab, located near the bottom of the display.

3.
Select the Add button, located near the top right corner of the display.  A 
list of choices will appear.

4.
Select Battery Level.  A new screen will appear.

5.
Adjust the slider to the desired battery level that will automatically activate 
the shortcut.  The default level is 50%.

6.
On this same screen, select the “Falls Below” option.  Of course, you should 
select either of the other two options in this area, as well.

7.
In the third and final area of this screen, select the “Run Immediately” 
option.  Selecting this option will cause another option to be displayed said 
option being to not only announce the battery level but to also place a 
notification in the notifications area.

8.
Select the Next button located near the top right corner of the display.  A new 
screen will appear.

Now the following step is where we, as VoiceOver users, have to take one extra 
step than does our sighted counterpart because of what I assume is a small 
VoiceOver bug that, in essence, is of no real consequence, at this point.

9.
Select the “Get Started” Button.

10.
Select “Speak Text” by performing either the VO split Tap or the VO pass 
through gesture.  This will both select and open the first level of options to 
the Speak Text function.

11.
Place VO focus on the line that VO reads as “Speak Text”.

12.
Single-finger, swipe up until you hear “Edit text,” and select this option.  
The edit field for the “Speak Text” function will open and you can either use 
the keyboard or dictation, to type the text that the TTS engine will announce. 
For example, “Mark, you devilishly handsome guy, the battery level has fallen 
below 50 percent.”

13.
Select the Done button located just above the on-sc

Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Mary Otten]

As it happens, when I looked this film that I was interested up on the big 
master list that ACB provides, Hulu doesn’t have audio description, a perfect 
illustration of your point, Chris. So I can pay for it on Amazon or watch it 
for free well almost free, on Hulu without a D. How nice. How absurd!
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2023, at 5:14 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> That is the frustrating thing about audio description.  Just because 
> something is described with one streaming service does not mean that it will 
> be described with another.  I myself think this should be changed.
> 
> The problem is with the licensing of the audio description.  It seems that 
> the audio description is licensed separately than the movie or show itself. 
> So a streaming service might be licensed to show the movie or tv show, but 
> not licensed to include the audio description.
> 
> I think the audio description and its movie or tv show should come as one 
> package.  If you license the movie or tv show, the audio description should 
> automatically be included.  The same thing goes for something shown live with 
> audio description, but then offered to watch on demand without audio 
> description.  So again, something really needs to be done about audio 
> description and how its distributed.
> 
> Chris Chaffin
> 
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:04 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, for whatever reason, the movie I was interested in or should I say 
>> documentary, is not audio described on Hulu. It is on Amazon supposedly if 
>> you pay for it. But on Hulu, no audio description. Why the heck not?
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 10:43 AM, David Grossoehme  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is being discussed on another list of blind people.  You can 
>>> subscribe to the list by sending a message to 
>>> adp-list+subscr...@acblists.org, which is a low traffic list. This list 
>>> consist of many blind users and audio description who watch tv by phone, tv 
>>> or computer.  There are many of us that can help.  However, Disney Plus is 
>>> combining Hulu Streaming with Disney Plus Streaming.  It maybe March before 
>>> people who have subscriptions with them, to know what is going to happen.  
>>> This list has a web link you can go to to see all described audio shows on 
>>> tv, and which network they are on with Audio Description.  Good luck.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 12/19/2023 1:20 PM, Anna Dresner wrote:
>>>> HI Mary,
>>>> 
>>>> Have you tried the Hulu app? It might be easier in an app where you're 
>>>> accessing Hulu directly.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Anna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a 
>>>>> month. I want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having 
>>>>> audio description, at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay 
>>>>> for it or rent it. I have Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. 
>>>>> I want to know how to turn on audio description in this format. I can’t 
>>>>> find it anywhere. According to Amazon, AD is available, at least through 
>>>>> prime. But I want it on Hulu. Any ideas?
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[David Grossoehme]

Have you looked into this.  On their they have a comment of being 
combined in early 2024.  The admin of the adp web site that keeps the 
show listings up weekly sent an email out that it would be March before 
anything was known to the members of that service. Where did you get 
your information that it would be late 2024 by the way?


Dave


On 12/19/2023 4:46 PM, Dennis Long wrote:

They for now are separate subscriptions.  There is a beta but no app where they 
would be combined until late 2024.


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Grossoehme
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Mary Otten 
Subject: Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

As of December 7th all Hulu was placed on Disney Plus.  If in question
then call Disney and see if they can help you.  However, you will
receive more information from other blind tv users from the
adp-l...@acblists.org.  Hulu will be combined with Disney Plus
Streaming, as of earlier today, one other blind member of that list
emailed, that it will be probably March before a lot of action is taken
from them.  Hulu will not exist, beings they are part of Disney and are
being combined into the Disney Plus Streaming Service.

Dave


On 12/19/2023 12:35 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. I 
want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio description, 
at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or rent it. I have 
Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know how to turn on 
audio description in this format. I can’t find it anywhere. According to 
Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But I want it on Hulu. Any 
ideas?
Mary

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Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[David Grossoehme]

Hulu is loosing their servicers to another stream as you will see if you 
would do a little research.  Hulu is being combined with Disney Plus as 
I tried to let you know in another message yesterday.  You are lucky to 
receive the audio description in any stream from the internet until our 
laws are changed.


Dave


On 12/20/2023 8:14 AM, Chris Chaffin wrote:

That is the frustrating thing about audio description.  Just because something 
is described with one streaming service does not mean that it will be described 
with another.  I myself think this should be changed.

The problem is with the licensing of the audio description.  It seems that the 
audio description is licensed separately than the movie or show itself. So a 
streaming service might be licensed to show the movie or tv show, but not 
licensed to include the audio description.

I think the audio description and its movie or tv show should come as one 
package.  If you license the movie or tv show, the audio description should 
automatically be included.  The same thing goes for something shown live with 
audio description, but then offered to watch on demand without audio 
description.  So again, something really needs to be done about audio 
description and how its distributed.

Chris Chaffin



On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:04 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Well, for whatever reason, the movie I was interested in or should I say 
documentary, is not audio described on Hulu. It is on Amazon supposedly if you 
pay for it. But on Hulu, no audio description. Why the heck not?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 19, 2023, at 10:43 AM, David Grossoehme  wrote:

This is being discussed on another list of blind people.  You can subscribe to 
the list by sending a message to adp-list+subscr...@acblists.org, which is a 
low traffic list. This list consist of many blind users and audio description 
who watch tv by phone, tv or computer.  There are many of us that can help.  
However, Disney Plus is combining Hulu Streaming with Disney Plus Streaming.  
It maybe March before people who have subscriptions with them, to know what is 
going to happen.  This list has a web link you can go to to see all described 
audio shows on tv, and which network they are on with Audio Description.  Good 
luck.

Dave



On 12/19/2023 1:20 PM, Anna Dresner wrote:

HI Mary,

Have you tried the Hulu app? It might be easier in an app where you're 
accessing Hulu directly.

Best,
Anna



On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. I 
want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio description, 
at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or rent it. I have 
Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know how to turn on 
audio description in this format. I can’t find it anywhere. According to 
Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But I want it on Hulu. Any 
ideas?
Mary

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Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Chris Chaffin]

That is the frustrating thing about audio description.  Just because something 
is described with one streaming service does not mean that it will be described 
with another.  I myself think this should be changed.

The problem is with the licensing of the audio description.  It seems that the 
audio description is licensed separately than the movie or show itself. So a 
streaming service might be licensed to show the movie or tv show, but not 
licensed to include the audio description.

I think the audio description and its movie or tv show should come as one 
package.  If you license the movie or tv show, the audio description should 
automatically be included.  The same thing goes for something shown live with 
audio description, but then offered to watch on demand without audio 
description.  So again, something really needs to be done about audio 
description and how its distributed. 

Chris Chaffin


> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:04 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, for whatever reason, the movie I was interested in or should I say 
> documentary, is not audio described on Hulu. It is on Amazon supposedly if 
> you pay for it. But on Hulu, no audio description. Why the heck not?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 10:43 AM, David Grossoehme  wrote:
>> 
>> This is being discussed on another list of blind people.  You can subscribe 
>> to the list by sending a message to adp-list+subscr...@acblists.org, which 
>> is a low traffic list. This list consist of many blind users and audio 
>> description who watch tv by phone, tv or computer.  There are many of us 
>> that can help.  However, Disney Plus is combining Hulu Streaming with Disney 
>> Plus Streaming.  It maybe March before people who have subscriptions with 
>> them, to know what is going to happen.  This list has a web link you can go 
>> to to see all described audio shows on tv, and which network they are on 
>> with Audio Description.  Good luck.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 12/19/2023 1:20 PM, Anna Dresner wrote:
>>> HI Mary,
>>> 
>>> Have you tried the Hulu app? It might be easier in an app where you're 
>>> accessing Hulu directly.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a 
>>>> month. I want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having 
>>>> audio description, at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for 
>>>> it or rent it. I have Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I 
>>>> want to know how to turn on audio description in this format. I can’t find 
>>>> it anywhere. According to Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. 
>>>> But I want it on Hulu. Any ideas?
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Mary Otten]

Well, for whatever reason, the movie I was interested in or should I say 
documentary, is not audio described on Hulu. It is on Amazon supposedly if you 
pay for it. But on Hulu, no audio description. Why the heck not?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2023, at 10:43 AM, David Grossoehme  wrote:
> 
> This is being discussed on another list of blind people.  You can subscribe 
> to the list by sending a message to adp-list+subscr...@acblists.org, which is 
> a low traffic list. This list consist of many blind users and audio 
> description who watch tv by phone, tv or computer.  There are many of us that 
> can help.  However, Disney Plus is combining Hulu Streaming with Disney Plus 
> Streaming.  It maybe March before people who have subscriptions with them, to 
> know what is going to happen.  This list has a web link you can go to to see 
> all described audio shows on tv, and which network they are on with Audio 
> Description.  Good luck.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>> On 12/19/2023 1:20 PM, Anna Dresner wrote:
>> HI Mary,
>> 
>> Have you tried the Hulu app? It might be easier in an app where you're 
>> accessing Hulu directly.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a 
>>> month. I want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio 
>>> description, at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or 
>>> rent it. I have Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to 
>>> know how to turn on audio description in this format. I can’t find it 
>>> anywhere. According to Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But 
>>> I want it on Hulu. Any ideas?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Dennis Long]

They for now are separate subscriptions.  There is a beta but no app where they 
would be combined until late 2024.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Mary Otten 
Subject: Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

As of December 7th all Hulu was placed on Disney Plus.  If in question 
then call Disney and see if they can help you.  However, you will 
receive more information from other blind tv users from the 
adp-l...@acblists.org.  Hulu will be combined with Disney Plus 
Streaming, as of earlier today, one other blind member of that list 
emailed, that it will be probably March before a lot of action is taken 
from them.  Hulu will not exist, beings they are part of Disney and are 
being combined into the Disney Plus Streaming Service.

Dave


On 12/19/2023 12:35 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. 
> I want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio 
> description, at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or 
> rent it. I have Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know 
> how to turn on audio description in this format. I can’t find it anywhere. 
> According to Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But I want it 
> on Hulu. Any ideas?
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Dennis Long]

That is not correct.  They will still have both apps.  I will find the article.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Mary Otten 
Subject: Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

As of December 7th all Hulu was placed on Disney Plus.  If in question 
then call Disney and see if they can help you.  However, you will 
receive more information from other blind tv users from the 
adp-l...@acblists.org.  Hulu will be combined with Disney Plus 
Streaming, as of earlier today, one other blind member of that list 
emailed, that it will be probably March before a lot of action is taken 
from them.  Hulu will not exist, beings they are part of Disney and are 
being combined into the Disney Plus Streaming Service.

Dave


On 12/19/2023 12:35 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. 
> I want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio 
> description, at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or 
> rent it. I have Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know 
> how to turn on audio description in this format. I can’t find it anywhere. 
> According to Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But I want it 
> on Hulu. Any ideas?
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[David Grossoehme]

As of December 7th all Hulu was placed on Disney Plus.  If in question 
then call Disney and see if they can help you.  However, you will 
receive more information from other blind tv users from the 
adp-l...@acblists.org.  Hulu will be combined with Disney Plus 
Streaming, as of earlier today, one other blind member of that list 
emailed, that it will be probably March before a lot of action is taken 
from them.  Hulu will not exist, beings they are part of Disney and are 
being combined into the Disney Plus Streaming Service.


Dave


On 12/19/2023 12:35 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. I 
want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio description, 
at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or rent it. I have 
Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know how to turn on 
audio description in this format. I can’t find it anywhere. According to 
Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But I want it on Hulu. Any 
ideas?
Mary

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Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[David Grossoehme]

This is being discussed on another list of blind people.  You can 
subscribe to the list by sending a message to 
adp-list+subscr...@acblists.org, which is a low traffic list. This list 
consist of many blind users and audio description who watch tv by phone, 
tv or computer.  There are many of us that can help.  However, Disney 
Plus is combining Hulu Streaming with Disney Plus Streaming.  It maybe 
March before people who have subscriptions with them, to know what is 
going to happen.  This list has a web link you can go to to see all 
described audio shows on tv, and which network they are on with Audio 
Description.  Good luck.


Dave


On 12/19/2023 1:20 PM, Anna Dresner wrote:

HI Mary,

Have you tried the Hulu app? It might be easier in an app where you're 
accessing Hulu directly.

Best,
Anna



On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. I 
want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio description, 
at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or rent it. I have 
Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know how to turn on 
audio description in this format. I can’t find it anywhere. According to 
Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But I want it on Hulu. Any 
ideas?
Mary

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Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Anna Dresner]

HI Mary,

Have you tried the Hulu app? It might be easier in an app where you're 
accessing Hulu directly.

Best,
Anna


> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. 
> I want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio 
> description, at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or 
> rent it. I have Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know 
> how to turn on audio description in this format. I can’t find it anywhere. 
> According to Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But I want it 
> on Hulu. Any ideas?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Mary Otten]

I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. I 
want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio description, 
at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or rent it. I have 
Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know how to turn on 
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ideas?
Mary

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RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[davycuppens]

Hi I will do that, I am a tester for Apple accessibility! J 
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Michael Irons
Verzonden: maandag 18 december 2023 15:56
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I also really like IOS17.2 AS WELL.  Apart from bard mobile being a
pain and giving me some issues, things are working very well.

On 12/18/23, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> Hey Mark,
>
> I’m glad that it went well for you. Much like you I have not had any show
> stopping bugs. It’s been pretty good so far.
>
> Ed W.
>
>
>> On Dec 15, 2023, at 12:07 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their
>> respective latest versions of the OS.
>>
>> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every
>> aspect
>> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet
>> encountered a bug.
>>
>> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a
>> splendid
>> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes,
>> dare I say it, even TV OS.
>>
>> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not
>> find a bug.
>>
>> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've
>> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
>>
>> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the
>> latest
>> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
>>
>> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I
>> experienced,
>> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely
>> resolved.
>>
>> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am
>> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
>>
>> Before installing the OS I:
>>
>> 1.
>> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the
>> latest
>> version of iTunes.
>>
>> 2.
>> Backed up the device to iCloud.
>>
>> 3.
>> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
>>
>> 4.
>> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
>>
>> 5.
>> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
>>
>> 6.
>> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.
>> This
>> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
>>
>> 7.
>> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
>>
>> Mark
>>
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Re: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Mark,

I’m glad that it went well for you. Much like you I have not had any show 
stopping bugs. It’s been pretty good so far.

Ed W.


> On Dec 15, 2023, at 12:07 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes,
> dare I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not
> find a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced,
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[M. Taylor]

Very well stated, Richard, and thank you for posting such a gracious comment.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

Every app and operating system on the planet has bugs.
I am amazed at the number of app updates that say nothing more than "fixed some 
bugs."  This is simply a fact of life with so many different devices and 
operating systems.  
When someone has a positive experience, let them have their positive experience 
without immediately throwing cold water on it.
At this point, I have very few issues with iOS 17.2.  

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[Richard Turner]

Every app and operating system on the planet has bugs.
I am amazed at the number of app updates that say nothing more than "fixed some 
bugs."  This is simply a fact of life with so many different devices and 
operating systems.  
When someone has a positive experience, let them have their positive experience 
without immediately throwing cold water on it.
At this point, I have very few issues with iOS 17.2.  

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

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JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[Michael Irons]

You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[davycuppens]

Mark 

There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 

For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no feedback 
is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that and I am 
testing with them.
So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
will never bet he case, never ever!
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
Experience

Hello All,

Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
respective latest versions of the OS.

I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect of 
all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet encountered a 
bug.

And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid job 
with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare I say 
it, even TV OS.

I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find a 
bug.

In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've used 
since the feature was introduced many years ago.

I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest OS 
so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.

However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, when 
having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.

Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.

Before installing the OS I:

1.
Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
version of iTunes.

2.
Backed up the device to iCloud.

3.
Closed every app via the App Switcher.

4.
Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.

5.
Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.

6.
Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.

7.
Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).

Mark


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Re: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a Certain Percentage

[Grant Downey]

Thanks for your email!

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 3:00 PM M. Taylor  wrote:

> You’re very welcome, John.
>
> So glad you like it and that it works for you.
>
> I have my phone announce when the battery level drops below 80%, 60%, and
> 40%.  Of course, each of these announcements requires its own shortcut.
>
> Again, you’re very welcome.
>
> Mark
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> John Panarese
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to
> Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a
> Certain Percentage
>
>Works like a charm. Thank you very much for this.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2023, at 3:37 PM, VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> If you would like to have your iPhone automatically announce when the
> battery level falls below a certain percentage, with VoiceOver enabled, do
> the following:
>
> 1.
> Launch the Shortcuts app.
>
> 2.
> Select the Automation tab, located near the bottom of the display.
>
> 3.
> Select the Add button, located near the top right corner of the display.
> A list of choices will appear.
>
> 4.
> Select Battery Level.  A new screen will appear.
>
> 5.
> Adjust the slider to the desired battery level that will automatically
> activate the shortcut.  The default level is 50%.
>
> 6.
> On this same screen, select the “Falls Below” option.  Of course, you
> should select either of the other two options in this area, as well.
>
> 7.
> In the third and final area of this screen, select the “Run Immediately”
> option.  Selecting this option will cause another option to be displayed
> said option being to not only announce the battery level but to also place
> a notification in the notifications area.
>
> 8.
> Select the Next button located near the top right corner of the display.
> A new screen will appear.
>
> Now the following step is where we, as VoiceOver users, have to take one
> extra step than does our sighted counterpart because of what I assume is a
> small VoiceOver bug that, in essence, is of no real consequence, at this
> point.
>
> 9.
> Select the “Get Started” Button.
>
> 10.
> Select “Speak Text” by performing either the VO split Tap or the VO pass
> through gesture.  This will both select and open the first level of options
> to the Speak Text function.
>
> 11.
> Place VO focus on the line that VO reads as “Speak Text”.
>
> 12.
> Single-finger, swipe up until you hear “Edit text,” and select this
> option.  The edit field for the “Speak Text” function will open and you can
> either use the keyboard or dictation, to type the text that the TTS engine
> will announce. For example, “Mark, you devilishly handsome guy, the battery
> level has fallen below 50 percent.”
>
> 13.
> Select the Done button located just above the on-screen keyboard, on the
> right side of the display.
>
> 14.
> Test the announcement by selection the “Run this Shortcut” button, located
> near the bottom right corner of the display.
>
> 15.
> Finally, select the Done button, located near the top right corner of the
> display.
>
> 16.
> Close the Shortcuts app.
>
> That’s all there is to it.  The next time the battery level falls below
> the percentage you designated, it will be automatically announced,outloud.
>
> Mark
>
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RE: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a Certain Percentage

[M. Taylor]

You’re very welcome, John.

So glad you like it and that it works for you.

I have my phone announce when the battery level drops below 80%, 60%, and 40%.  
Of course, each of these announcements requires its own shortcut.

Again, you’re very welcome.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of John 
Panarese
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to 
Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a 
Certain Percentage

   Works like a charm. Thank you very much for this.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
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On Dec 17, 2023, at 3:37 PM, VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

If you would like to have your iPhone automatically announce when the battery 
level falls below a certain percentage, with VoiceOver enabled, do the 
following:

1.
Launch the Shortcuts app.

2.
Select the Automation tab, located near the bottom of the display.

3.
Select the Add button, located near the top right corner of the display.  A 
list of choices will appear.

4.
Select Battery Level.  A new screen will appear.

5.
Adjust the slider to the desired battery level that will automatically activate 
the shortcut.  The default level is 50%.

6.
On this same screen, select the “Falls Below” option.  Of course, you should 
select either of the other two options in this area, as well.

7.
In the third and final area of this screen, select the “Run Immediately” 
option.  Selecting this option will cause another option to be displayed said 
option being to not only announce the battery level but to also place a 
notification in the notifications area.

8.
Select the Next button located near the top right corner of the display.  A new 
screen will appear.

Now the following step is where we, as VoiceOver users, have to take one extra 
step than does our sighted counterpart because of what I assume is a small 
VoiceOver bug that, in essence, is of no real consequence, at this point.

9.
Select the “Get Started” Button.

10.
Select “Speak Text” by performing either the VO split Tap or the VO pass 
through gesture.  This will both select and open the first level of options to 
the Speak Text function.

11.
Place VO focus on the line that VO reads as “Speak Text”.

12.
Single-finger, swipe up until you hear “Edit text,” and select this option.  
The edit field for the “Speak Text” function will open and you can either use 
the keyboard or dictation, to type the text that the TTS engine will announce. 
For example, “Mark, you devilishly handsome guy, the battery level has fallen 
below 50 percent.”

13.
Select the Done button located just above the on-screen keyboard, on the right 
side of the display.

14.
Test the announcement by selection the “Run this Shortcut” button, located near 
the bottom right corner of the display.

15.
Finally, select the Done button, located near the top right corner of the 
display.

16.
Close the Shortcuts app.

That’s all there is to it.  The next time the battery level falls below the 
percentage you designated, it will be automatically announced,outloud.

Mark

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Re: Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a Certain Percentage

[John Panarese]

   Works like a charm. Thank you very much for this.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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> On Dec 17, 2023, at 3:37 PM, VIPhone  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> If you would like to have your iPhone automatically announce when the battery 
> level falls below a certain percentage, with VoiceOver enabled, do the 
> following:
> 
> 1.
> Launch the Shortcuts app.
> 
> 2.
> Select the Automation tab, located near the bottom of the display.
> 
> 3.
> Select the Add button, located near the top right corner of the display.  A 
> list of choices will appear.
> 
> 4.
> Select Battery Level.  A new screen will appear.
> 
> 5.
> Adjust the slider to the desired battery level that will automatically 
> activate the shortcut.  The default level is 50%.
> 
> 6.
> On this same screen, select the “Falls Below” option.  Of course, you should 
> select either of the other two options in this area, as well.
> 
> 7.
> In the third and final area of this screen, select the “Run Immediately” 
> option.  Selecting this option will cause another option to be displayed said 
> option being to not only announce the battery level but to also place a 
> notification in the notifications area.
> 
> 8.
> Select the Next button located near the top right corner of the display.  A 
> new screen will appear.
> 
> Now the following step is where we, as VoiceOver users, have to take one 
> extra step than does our sighted counterpart because of what I assume is a 
> small VoiceOver bug that, in essence, is of no real consequence, at this 
> point.
> 
> 9.
> Select the “Get Started” Button.
> 
> 10.
> Select “Speak Text” by performing either the VO split Tap or the VO pass 
> through gesture.  This will both select and open the first level of options 
> to the Speak Text function.
> 
> 11.
> Place VO focus on the line that VO reads as “Speak Text”.
> 
> 12.
> Single-finger, swipe up until you hear “Edit text,” and select this option.  
> The edit field for the “Speak Text” function will open and you can either use 
> the keyboard or dictation, to type the text that the TTS engine will 
> announce. For example, “Mark, you devilishly handsome guy, the battery level 
> has fallen below 50 percent.”
> 
> 13.
> Select the Done button located just above the on-screen keyboard, on the 
> right side of the display.
> 
> 14.
> Test the announcement by selection the “Run this Shortcut” button, located 
> near the bottom right corner of the display.
> 
> 15.
> Finally, select the Done button, located near the top right corner of the 
> display.
> 
> 16.
> Close the Shortcuts app.
> 
> That’s all there is to it.  The next time the battery level falls below the 
> percentage you designated, it will be automatically announced,outloud.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Here Are The Steps to Get Your iOS 17.2 iPhone / iPad to Automatically Announce When the Battery Level Falls Below or Rises Above a Certain Percentage

[VIPhone]

Hello Everyone,

If you would like to have your iPhone automatically announce when the 
battery level falls below a certain percentage, with VoiceOver enabled, do 
the following:

1.
Launch the Shortcuts app.

2.
Select the Automation tab, located near the bottom of the display.

3.
Select the Add button, located near the top right corner of the display.  A 
list of choices will appear.

4.
Select Battery Level.  A new screen will appear.

5.
Adjust the slider to the desired battery level that will automatically 
activate the shortcut.  The default level is 50%.

6.
On this same screen, select the “Falls Below” option.  Of course, you 
should select either of the other two options in this area, as well.

7.
In the third and final area of this screen, select the “Run Immediately” 
option.  Selecting this option will cause another option to be displayed 
said option being to not only announce the battery level but to also place 
a notification in the notifications area.

8.
Select the Next button located near the top right corner of the display.  A 
new screen will appear.

Now the following step is where we, as VoiceOver users, have to take one 
extra step than does our sighted counterpart because of what I assume is a 
small VoiceOver bug that, in essence, is of no real consequence, at this 
point.

9.
Select the “Get Started” Button.

10.
Select “Speak Text” by performing either the VO split Tap or the VO pass 
through gesture.  This will both select and open the first level of options 
to the Speak Text function.

11.
Place VO focus on the line that VO reads as “Speak Text”.

12.
Single-finger, swipe up until you hear “Edit text,” and select this option. 
 The edit field for the “Speak Text” function will open and you can either 
use the keyboard or dictation, to type the text that the TTS engine will 
announce. For example, “Mark, you devilishly handsome guy, the battery 
level has fallen below 50 percent.”

13.
Select the Done button located just above the on-screen keyboard, on the 
right side of the display.

14.
Test the announcement by selection the “Run this Shortcut” button, located 
near the bottom right corner of the display.

15.
Finally, select the Done button, located near the top right corner of the 
display.

16.
Close the Shortcuts app.

That’s all there is to it.  The next time the battery level falls below the 
percentage you designated, it will be automatically announced,outloud.

Mark

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Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their
respective latest versions of the OS.

I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect
of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet
encountered a bug.

And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid
job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes,
dare I say it, even TV OS.

I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not
find a bug.

In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've
used since the feature was introduced many years ago.

I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest
OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.

However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced,
when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.

Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am
running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.

Before installing the OS I:

1.
Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest
version of iTunes.

2.
Backed up the device to iCloud.

3.
Closed every app via the App Switcher.

4.
Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.

5.
Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.

6.
Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This
insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.

7.
Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).

Mark


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RE: doing signatures on iPad when signing up something or ensure thing

[Star Gazer]

Exacctly this, I've had the same issue and I don't know 
why I can't do it with voiceover, I don't need to see it, I just need to be in 
the right place so I can then submit, the machine doesn't need to know or care, 
and there's no reason voiceover can't be made to work with this. Major pain in 
the behind. 
Anybody submitted this to Apple? And, thank you too on a personal level, I had 
this issue all the time with my kid's preschool and NFB told me I had to "learn 
to do it" and I didn't think that was doable. School was wonderful, NFB 
absolutely useless when I called to ask how to solve this problem or if they 
wanted to talk to Apple and maybe even litigate. Nope. 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brent 
Harding
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 11:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: doing signatures on iPad when signing up something or ensure thing

Even on my phone, the second one was hard, as I needed to do it for a job app. 
The trackpad on the computer method wouldn't go because you can't get focus to 
the box you are supposed to sign. I ended up doing explore by touch, tapping 
the power button three times to turn VO off and then tried to draw my 
signature, which probably came out worse than ever, but it let me submit. I 
really don't know a great accommodation for something like this, especially if 
one ever has to do mouse signing which really doesn't work. I hate to be one of 
the bearers of bad news, but something like DocuSign should work, but the ones 
where you need to physically sign like UPS or FedEx do these days is hard at 
best without help.


-Original Message-
From: '鍾 智明' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 9:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: doing signatures on IPad when signing up something or ensuren thing

Got it! Thanks.  
Ming
Skype: chungchiming9950


> Sieghard Weitzel 於2023年12月8日 上午2:08寫道：
> 
> You have to be a lot more specific than this. If you are talking about 
> signing digital documents where something like DocuSign is used then yes, 
> it's usually fine.
> If you think you can simply sign your name on the touch screen on a PDF 
> document or anything like that then no, that is not possible.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Ming' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 7:13 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: doing signatures on IPad when signing up something or ensuren thing
> 
> hey! all,
> when doing or signing signatures,
> can we do it with voice over when using IPad?
> or can it turn on voice over to do it?
> 
> 
> Ming
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RE: doing signatures on iPad when signing up something or ensure thing

[Brent Harding]

Even on my phone, the second one was hard, as I needed to do it for a job app. 
The trackpad on the computer method wouldn't go because you can't get focus to 
the box you are supposed to sign. I ended up doing explore by touch, tapping 
the power button three times to turn VO off and then tried to draw my 
signature, which probably came out worse than ever, but it let me submit. I 
really don't know a great accommodation for something like this, especially if 
one ever has to do mouse signing which really doesn't work. I hate to be one of 
the bearers of bad news, but something like DocuSign should work, but the ones 
where you need to physically sign like UPS or FedEx do these days is hard at 
best without help.


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From: '鍾 智明' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 9:33 PM
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Subject: Re: doing signatures on IPad when signing up something or ensuren thing

Got it! Thanks.  
Ming
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> Sieghard Weitzel 於2023年12月8日 上午2:08寫道：
> 
> You have to be a lot more specific than this. If you are talking about 
> signing digital documents where something like DocuSign is used then yes, 
> it's usually fine.
> If you think you can simply sign your name on the touch screen on a PDF 
> document or anything like that then no, that is not possible.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: doing signatures on IPad when signing up something or ensuren thing
> 
> hey! all,
> when doing or signing signatures,
> can we do it with voice over when using IPad?
> or can it turn on voice over to do it?
> 
> 
> Ming
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Re: doing signatures on IPad when signing up something or ensuren thing

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Got it! Thanks.  
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> Sieghard Weitzel 於2023年12月8日 上午2:08寫道：
> 
> You have to be a lot more specific than this. If you are talking about 
> signing digital documents where something like DocuSign is used then yes, 
> it's usually fine.
> If you think you can simply sign your name on the touch screen on a PDF 
> document or anything like that then no, that is not possible.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Ming' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 7:13 AM
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> Subject: doing signatures on IPad when signing up something or ensuren thing
> 
> hey! all,
> when doing or signing signatures,
> can we do it with voice over when using IPad?
> or can it turn on voice over to do it?
> 
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> Ming
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RE: getting started with an iPad

[paekstrand]

The main thing I find helpful when using an iPad is the Containers function 
which you can add to the rotor.  As Richard points out, the main topics, as in 
Settings, are on one side of the screen and the items under the main headings 
are on the other side.  To navigate from the items within a particular heading, 
use the Containers function.  

 

I have not used a Bluetooth keyboard with my iPad.

 

Pam

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting started with an iPad

 

The first thing I had to sort out is that the iPad presents things in columns 
in places like music, settings, and on the web. 

In settings, you will find the categories along the left side. Which ever one 
is selected, the things in that category will be on the right side of the iPad. 
In music, if you are looking by albums, the one selected on the left will have 
its tracks etc., on the right. 

There are keyboard commands to halp navigate it which I believe I included in 
my cheat-sheet for iOS keyboard commands on my web site. 

Under settings, general I think it is, or perhapss you will need to search for 
the setting that prevents it from using a split keyboard on the touch screen. 
Someone who regularly uses an iPad could chime in and help. I don't have one at 
this time. Iam going from memory when I had to teach them at work. 

I hope that helps, at least a little. My web site is below in my signature. 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 









On Dec 7, 2023, at 1:13 PM, Donald Raikes mailto:don.rai...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,

I have been using voiceOver on my iPhone for years.  In February 2024,
I need to give a "getting started with voiceOver on an iPad"
presentation at work.

I have a 7th generation iPad with a bluetooth keyboard included in a
logitech case.
I haven't really gotten comfortable with or really ever used the iPad
for much so I need a real quick tutorial on how to use an iPad and
also how to use an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard.

Any tips/links etc would be greatly appreciated.

-- 
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Donald Raikes, CPACC
Accessibility Specialist
IAAP Certified Professional in Accessibility Core
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Re: getting started with an iPad

[Richard Turner]

The first thing I had to sort out is that the iPad presents things in columns 
in places like music, settings, and on the web. 
In settings, you will find the categories along the left side. Which ever one 
is selected, the things in that category will be on the right side of the iPad. 
In music, if you are looking by albums, the one selected on the left will have 
its tracks etc., on the right. 
There are keyboard commands to halp navigate it which I believe I included in 
my cheat-sheet for iOS keyboard commands on my web site. 
Under settings, general I think it is, or perhapss you will need to search for 
the setting that prevents it from using a split keyboard on the touch screen. 
Someone who regularly uses an iPad could chime in and help. I don't have one at 
this time. Iam going from memory when I had to teach them at work. 
I hope that helps, at least a little. My web site is below in my signature. 

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


> On Dec 7, 2023, at 1:13 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have been using voiceOver on my iPhone for years.  In February 2024,
> I need to give a "getting started with voiceOver on an iPad"
> presentation at work.
> 
> I have a 7th generation iPad with a bluetooth keyboard included in a
> logitech case.
> I haven't really gotten comfortable with or really ever used the iPad
> for much so I need a real quick tutorial on how to use an iPad and
> also how to use an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard.
> 
> Any tips/links etc would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> --
> Sincerely,
> Donald Raikes, CPACC
> Accessibility Specialist
> IAAP Certified Professional in Accessibility Core
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getting started with an iPad

[Donald Raikes]

Hi,

I have been using voiceOver on my iPhone for years.  In February 2024,
I need to give a "getting started with voiceOver on an iPad"
presentation at work.

I have a 7th generation iPad with a bluetooth keyboard included in a
logitech case.
I haven't really gotten comfortable with or really ever used the iPad
for much so I need a real quick tutorial on how to use an iPad and
also how to use an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard.

Any tips/links etc would be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Sincerely,
Donald Raikes, CPACC
Accessibility Specialist
IAAP Certified Professional in Accessibility Core
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.accessibilityassociation.org/cpacccertification__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!ITXXARxD3iTCnbAoB96JZAdz253IVd2urWYbOsB5MNjTAjmFErX-iqpRl4NrjAo7$>
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RE: doing signatures on IPad when signing up something or ensuren thing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You have to be a lot more specific than this. If you are talking about signing 
digital documents where something like DocuSign is used then yes, it's usually 
fine.
If you think you can simply sign your name on the touch screen on a PDF 
document or anything like that then no, that is not possible.

-Original Message-
From: 'Ming' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 7:13 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: doing signatures on IPad when signing up something or ensuren thing

hey! all,
when doing or signing signatures, 
can we do it with voice over when using IPad?
or can it turn on voice over to do it?


Ming 

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doing signatures on IPad when signing up something or ensuren thing

['Ming' via VIPhone]

hey! all,
when doing or signing signatures, 
can we do it with voice over when using IPad?
or can it turn on voice over to do it?


Ming 

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RE: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

[Dennis Long]

I recommend the orbit writer keyboard.
 
From: realman02 via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2023 9:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen
 
the Logitech 380 is a good, small keyboard. Here is the Amazon link
 
 
Logitech K380 Multi-Device Bluetooth Keyboard - Windows, Mac, Chrome OS, 
Android, iPad, iPhone, Apple TV Compatible - with Flow Cross-Computer Control 
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen
 
All:
I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving. Merry 
Christmas to me! LOL.
I’m loving it.
Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone 
recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I can 
carry for travel as well. 
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RE: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

[Dennis Long]

The Orbit writer is a good keyboard.
 
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I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving. Merry 
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Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone 
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RE: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

[realman02 via VIPhone]

the Logitech 380 is a good, small keyboard. Here is the Amazon link

 

 

Logitech K380 Multi-Device Bluetooth Keyboard - Windows, Mac, Chrome OS, 
Android, iPad, iPhone, Apple TV Compatible - with Flow Cross-Computer Control 

 

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I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving. Merry 
Christmas to me! LOL.

I’m loving it.

Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone 
recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I can 
carry for travel as well. 

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Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

[sarai.bucciarelli]

All:

I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving.
Merry Christmas to me! LOL.

I'm loving it.

Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone
recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I
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bTips sought: Reading/watching stuff with iPad in a more comfortable manner?

[Gerardo Corripio]

When my Victor Stream 2nd Generation started hitting the dust, I was fortunate 
to find on sell at Costco here in Mexico, an iPad 9th Generation, which I went 
ahead and grabbed, as a replacement for my Stream; and which I'm really 
loving!; you can definitely do (and adapt it to your needs), more than the 
Stream for one. However one of the pep-pieves of the iPad is it's a bit larger 
than the Stream, or other blindness players, thus I just haven't found a way to 
(especially while in bed), read/watch stuff comfortably with it; it could also 
be while on my Mom's recliner or sofa for reading something. I put it on my 
lap, but after a while, it starts feeling a bit uncomfortable; I then hold it 
between my hands for another little while...
This makes me wonder how to sighted people position their iPads, so that they 
can spend hours and hours using them?
In its time, the NLS Digital Player (before gettingmy first Stream), no 
problem! I just leave the player on my computer table and listen to it that 
way!, but the iPad, even though I could do the same, I'd like it to be a 
portable device! So any tips.tricks for those of you'll who have iPads, would 
be welcome.'

Gera
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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Mary Otten]

No. I’m not talking about videos in the Photos app. I have no videos in my 
Photos app, just a very few photos. I’m talking about audible books being 
mistakenly identified as videos when you are in settings and go to the media 
type thing, view downloaded Videos I think it says. I can’t remember. It’s the 
thing that richard talked about how to go and find your videos. It’s also what 
Gerardo mentioned in a previous note where he said that he had audible books 
miss identified as videos. Hope that clarifies.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2023, at 9:30 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Are you talking about videos showing up in the Photos app? If so then I 
> don't have a single Audible book among them.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 1:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
> 
> Well, that might be true. I looked in Audible just at the downloaded books. 
> And there are 12 of them, although when I looked at the end in settings under 
> that viewing the audios thing that you mentioned before, I only saw eight. 
> And I didn’t see a more or next button. So you could be right which raises 
> the question: since I have a lot more audiobooks downloaded elsewhere on an 
> iPhone, why aren’t they seen as videos? Very bizarre.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if the .jpg file that is the cover of the book with Audible books 
>> is confusing iOS. Makes no sense.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John
>> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, when I did find that thing for all downloaded audios and videos, I 
>>> saw eight of them. They were all audible books, and they all said watched 
>>> or partially watched or not watched, implying, as Gerardo said, that the 
>>> damn thing thinks their videos. So there are eight audiobooks from audible. 
>>> Of course I have more than eight audible books on my iPad, so where are the 
>>> other ones? What about all the bar books they are also audio. I don’t get 
>>> it. Oh well I guess it’s just a big mystery.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mary,
>>>> One thing to try is to open the Photos app, and select the albums tab.
>>>> There is a heading called Media Types.  Perhaps it will identify videos.  
>>>> If not, then check further under General, iPhone Storage.
>>>> If you keep flicking right through the iPhone storage, you eventually come 
>>>> to a couple things that may help, review large attachments, and review 
>>>> downloaded videos and audios.
>>>> It is less than an efficient way to find stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard, USA.
>>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
>>>> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in
>>>> the Universe
>>>> 
>>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>>> Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
>>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>>> Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
>>>> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I 
>>>> go to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I 
>>>> have 12 videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I 
>>>> don’t want them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. 
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
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RE: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Are you talking about videos showing up in the Photos app? If so then I don't 
have a single Audible book among them.

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Otten
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Subject: Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

Well, that might be true. I looked in Audible just at the downloaded books. And 
there are 12 of them, although when I looked at the end in settings under that 
viewing the audios thing that you mentioned before, I only saw eight. And I 
didn’t see a more or next button. So you could be right which raises the 
question: since I have a lot more audiobooks downloaded elsewhere on an iPhone, 
why aren’t they seen as videos? Very bizarre.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the .jpg file that is the cover of the book with Audible books 
> is confusing iOS. Makes no sense.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, when I did find that thing for all downloaded audios and videos, I 
>> saw eight of them. They were all audible books, and they all said watched or 
>> partially watched or not watched, implying, as Gerardo said, that the damn 
>> thing thinks their videos. So there are eight audiobooks from audible. Of 
>> course I have more than eight audible books on my iPad, so where are the 
>> other ones? What about all the bar books they are also audio. I don’t get 
>> it. Oh well I guess it’s just a big mystery.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> One thing to try is to open the Photos app, and select the albums tab.
>>> There is a heading called Media Types.  Perhaps it will identify videos.  
>>> If not, then check further under General, iPhone Storage.
>>> If you keep flicking right through the iPhone storage, you eventually come 
>>> to a couple things that may help, review large attachments, and review 
>>> downloaded videos and audios.
>>> It is less than an efficient way to find stuff.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
>>> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in 
>>> the Universe
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
>>> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I 
>>> go to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I 
>>> have 12 videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t 
>>> want them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Richard Turner]

What a puzzle. I'm not even sure Apple could explain it. At least you can be 
sure they aren't videos. 

Richard, USA 
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(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 1:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, that might be true. I looked in Audible just at the downloaded books. 
> And there are 12 of them, although when I looked at the end in settings under 
> that viewing the audios thing that you mentioned before, I only saw eight. 
> And I didn’t see a more or next button. So you could be right which raises 
> the question: since I have a lot more audiobooks downloaded elsewhere on an 
> iPhone, why aren’t they seen as videos? Very bizarre.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if the .jpg file that is the cover of the book with Audible books 
>> is confusing iOS. Makes no sense.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, when I did find that thing for all downloaded audios and videos, I 
>>> saw eight of them. They were all audible books, and they all said watched 
>>> or partially watched or not watched, implying, as Gerardo said, that the 
>>> damn thing thinks their videos. So there are eight audiobooks from audible. 
>>> Of course I have more than eight audible books on my iPad, so where are the 
>>> other ones? What about all the bar books they are also audio. I don’t get 
>>> it. Oh well I guess it’s just a big mystery.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mary,
>>>> One thing to try is to open the Photos app, and select the albums tab.
>>>> There is a heading called Media Types.  Perhaps it will identify videos.  
>>>> If not, then check further under General, iPhone Storage.
>>>> If you keep flicking right through the iPhone storage, you eventually come 
>>>> to a couple things that may help, review large attachments, and review 
>>>> downloaded videos and audios.
>>>> It is less than an efficient way to find stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard, USA.
>>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>>> 
>>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>> Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
>>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>>> Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
>>>> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I 
>>>> go to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I 
>>>> have 12 videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I 
>>>> don’t want them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. 
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Mary Otten]

Well, that might be true. I looked in Audible just at the downloaded books. And 
there are 12 of them, although when I looked at the end in settings under that 
viewing the audios thing that you mentioned before, I only saw eight. And I 
didn’t see a more or next button. So you could be right which raises the 
question: since I have a lot more audiobooks downloaded elsewhere on an iPhone, 
why aren’t they seen as videos? Very bizarre.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the .jpg file that is the cover of the book with Audible books 
> is confusing iOS. Makes no sense.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, when I did find that thing for all downloaded audios and videos, I 
>> saw eight of them. They were all audible books, and they all said watched or 
>> partially watched or not watched, implying, as Gerardo said, that the damn 
>> thing thinks their videos. So there are eight audiobooks from audible. Of 
>> course I have more than eight audible books on my iPad, so where are the 
>> other ones? What about all the bar books they are also audio. I don’t get 
>> it. Oh well I guess it’s just a big mystery.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> One thing to try is to open the Photos app, and select the albums tab.
>>> There is a heading called Media Types.  Perhaps it will identify videos.  
>>> If not, then check further under General, iPhone Storage.
>>> If you keep flicking right through the iPhone storage, you eventually come 
>>> to a couple things that may help, review large attachments, and review 
>>> downloaded videos and audios.
>>> It is less than an efficient way to find stuff.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>>> Otten
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
>>> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I 
>>> go to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I 
>>> have 12 videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t 
>>> want them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Richard Turner]

I wonder if the .jpg file that is the cover of the book with Audible books is 
confusing iOS. Makes no sense. 


Richard, USA 
——
"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, when I did find that thing for all downloaded audios and videos, I saw 
> eight of them. They were all audible books, and they all said watched or 
> partially watched or not watched, implying, as Gerardo said, that the damn 
> thing thinks their videos. So there are eight audiobooks from audible. Of 
> course I have more than eight audible books on my iPad, so where are the 
> other ones? What about all the bar books they are also audio. I don’t get it. 
> Oh well I guess it’s just a big mystery.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> One thing to try is to open the Photos app, and select the albums tab.
>> There is a heading called Media Types.  Perhaps it will identify videos.  If 
>> not, then check further under General, iPhone Storage.
>> If you keep flicking right through the iPhone storage, you eventually come 
>> to a couple things that may help, review large attachments, and review 
>> downloaded videos and audios.
>> It is less than an efficient way to find stuff.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
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>> Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
>> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I 
>> go to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I 
>> have 12 videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t 
>> want them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
>> Mary
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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Mary Otten]

Well, when I did find that thing for all downloaded audios and videos, I saw 
eight of them. They were all audible books, and they all said watched or 
partially watched or not watched, implying, as Gerardo said, that the damn 
thing thinks their videos. So there are eight audiobooks from audible. Of 
course I have more than eight audible books on my iPad, so where are the other 
ones? What about all the bar books they are also audio. I don’t get it. Oh well 
I guess it’s just a big mystery. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> One thing to try is to open the Photos app, and select the albums tab.
> There is a heading called Media Types.  Perhaps it will identify videos.  If 
> not, then check further under General, iPhone Storage.
> If you keep flicking right through the iPhone storage, you eventually come to 
> a couple things that may help, review large attachments, and review 
> downloaded videos and audios.
> It is less than an efficient way to find stuff.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
> 
> Hi folks,
> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I go 
> to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I have 12 
> videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t want 
> them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
> Mary
> 
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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Mary Otten]

I certainly have audiobooks downloaded, but also on my phone, where I have no 
videos noted in the “about “section. It’s a definite head scratcher.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Check if you've got any Audible titles downloaded? For some weird reason, 
> iOS thinks they're videos,r than Audiobooks. Good luck!
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
>> El 31 oct 2023, a la(s) 9:46 a.m., Mary Otten  escribió:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
>> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I 
>> go to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I 
>> have 12 videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t 
>> want them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Maybe Apple Accessibility can help to locate them?

-Original Message-
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Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

Hi folks,
I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download videos. 
I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I go to check 
the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I have 12 videos. I 
would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t want them, but I have 
not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
Mary

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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Gerardo Corripio]

Check if you've got any Audible titles downloaded? For some weird reason, iOS 
thinks they're videos,r than Audiobooks. Good luck!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 31 oct 2023, a la(s) 9:46 a.m., Mary Otten  escribió:
> 
> Hi folks,
> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I go 
> to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I have 12 
> videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t want 
> them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
> Mary
> 
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RE: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Richard Turner]

Mary,
One thing to try is to open the Photos app, and select the albums tab.
There is a heading called Media Types.  Perhaps it will identify videos.  If 
not, then check further under General, iPhone Storage.
If you keep flicking right through the iPhone storage, you eventually come to a 
couple things that may help, review large attachments, and review downloaded 
videos and audios.
It is less than an efficient way to find stuff.

HTH,



Richard, USA.
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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
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Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

Hi folks,
I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download videos. 
I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I go to check 
the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I have 12 videos. I 
would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t want them, but I have 
not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
Mary

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How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Mary Otten]

Hi folks,
I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download videos. 
I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I go to check 
the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I have 12 videos. I 
would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t want them, but I have 
not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
Mary

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