Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-23 Thread David Chittenden 
Yes, delete the account and create it as IMAP. 

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> Fine, but I don't see a way to set up Gmail as IMAP in Mac Mail.  I'd 
> probably have to delete the account and re-add it.
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-23 Thread Mark BurningHawk 
Fine, but I don't see a way to set up Gmail as IMAP in Mac Mail.  I'd probably 
have to delete the account and re-add it.

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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread David Chittenden 
Actually, this can also be an issue with gmail IMAP. IMAP has default setting 
of keep all messages, just hide them from the user when they have been deleted.

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On 23/01/2013, at 18:02, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> Sounds like you're using POP. You might want to consider switching to
> IMAP if you'll be accessing your email from multiple devices.
> 
> On 22/01/13 22:57, Mark BurningHawk wrote:
>> On my Macbook, it's set to delete mail from the server after a copy is
>> downloaded, but it just doesn't do it.  I'll have to tackle this from
>> the website, a site which I find very frustrating as well. *shrug* a
>> project for a rainy weekend and lots of stress relieving mechanisms.
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread David Chittenden 
No, that shouldn't be the case. You should always get most recent messages 
first. I don't understand why you're not getting newest messages.

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> My Ipad is downloading mail from 2011 or so, and won't let me get current 
> Gmail mails until I clear all of that out.  I've actually turned OFF Mail on 
> my Gmail account--leaving other stuff on--until I deal with it, because as it 
> is, Gmail on my Ipad is only usable as a way to practice dealing with mail. 
> :)  Right now, the only way to mail me on the Ipad exclusively is at 
> burningh...@icloud.com … if you care. :)
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread David Chittenden 
It just gets a bit frustrating when you want to go from oldest to newest 
message.

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On 23/01/2013, at 17:55, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> OK, maybe I'm being dense, but I still don't see the problem. How is
> this a hindrance to using email on the iPad? I have quite a few messages
> in my in box, and I don't have any trouble using email on my iPhone. I
> suspect I'm just missing something here.
> 
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>> All the messages are in the inbox.
>> 
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>>> Just curious, but why do you need to clear out all of that email from
>>> Gmail? I've been using Gmail for years, and I have messages going back
>>> years in various folders on Gmail. This doesn't cause any problems with
>>> the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> On 22/01/13 11:24, Mark BurningHawk wrote:
 Well,  before I mail anything to the Pad, even though I've made huge 
 breakthroughs with Mail and will probably end up liking it more than Mac 
 Mail--looks to be even faster--I need to clear out about a year and a 
 half's worth of old mail from Gmail, which refuses to delete anything 
 despite all attempts.  *grin*  I haven't seen an app yet on the Ipad 3 
 with latest IOS to do either word processing or note taking (other than 
 Notes, of course), so will need to grab that, and also need to understand 
 how to build a folder structure on the Home screen and move things where I 
 want them; as it is now, it's a bit chaotic for my tastes…
 
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
Interesting, I'm using IMAP with Gmail on my iPhone, and only the last
50 messages are downloaded to my iPhone, and even then larger messages
are truncated. I have messages in my in box going back to 2011 at the
moment, although I'm working at getting those older messages either
deleted or filed in various folders, but having those messages in my in
box isn't keeping me from using email on my iPhone. Maybe the iPad is
different, and tries to synch everything in your in box.
On 22/01/13 22:55, Mark BurningHawk wrote:
> My Ipad is downloading mail from 2011 or so, and won't let me get current 
> Gmail mails until I clear all of that out.  I've actually turned OFF Mail on 
> my Gmail account--leaving other stuff on--until I deal with it, because as it 
> is, Gmail on my Ipad is only usable as a way to practice dealing with mail. 
> :)  Right now, the only way to mail me on the Ipad exclusively is at 
> burningh...@icloud.com … if you care. :)
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
Sounds like you're using POP. You might want to consider switching to
IMAP if you'll be accessing your email from multiple devices.

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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
I changed my Gmail settings to have my deleted messages placed in the
Trash folder. It's been years since I've done this, but I don't recall
it being too difficult. After 60 days (although I'm not sure about the
time frame here) those messages are deleted. I like this actually, since
there have been a few occasions when I've had to go back and grab a
message I deleted not to long ago. You get over 7G of storage with Gmail
so I am not hesitant to use it.

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> I found gmail's server stuff to be quite frustrating. You need to work
> your way in to gmail's profile handling of messages and tell it to
> delete messages when you delete them. The default setting is to save all
> messages on the server. It took me a couple weeks to figure out what was
> going on. I still have over 100,000 messages to clear out. I have been
> using gmail since 2004.
> 
> You are probably moving your finger too fast and then lifting it from
> the screen. IOS interprets this as a vertical flick. Vertical flick is
> perform the action selected in the rotor. For moving on the screen, it
> is smaller movements that are not too fast. do not remove your finger
> from the display until VO starts speaking the item.On the Braille
> display, dot 7 with space bar is delete and dot 8 with space bar is
> enter. Braille Edge may have set it up so dot 7 sends the dot 7 chord
> key codes. Try dot 7 with other dots, all pressed simeltaniously. Don't
> forget k chord is keyboard help.
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>> Hi, David.
>>
>> I told both Gmail on the server (I think) and Mail on the Mac to
>> delete copies of messages from the server after download, but no one
>> ever listens. :)  So, yes, I'll have to slay this particular hydra as
>> well.  I seem to be consistently having a problem with the "Slide one
>> finger up or down," gesture.  I think it's being confused with my
>> swipe.  There's an adjustable page scroll spot on my home screen that
>> I cannot seem to "slide up or down to change value," but can
>> split-tape it.  Same thing with my "double tap and hold," gesture;
>> when switching the keyboard between letters and numbers or symbols,
>> When I double-tap the "more," spot, it'll say, "more, numbers," then I
>> have to double tap and hold again to get the numbers to actually
>> appear.  It's almost three gestures in one just to switch the keyboard
>> map.  When I slide up or down to change a value, Vo seems to interpret
>> this as a swipe or two-finger flick-up and starts reading the whole
>> screen.  Every time I check the rotor, it's set to containers.  So,
>> maybe I need to refine my gestures a bit more.  But, I've taken this
>> thing out of the boxes and am now up to using Skype, so I'll get the
>> rest; I look forward to playing with it.
>>
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread Mark BurningHawk 
On my Macbook, it's set to delete mail from the server after a copy is 
downloaded, but it just doesn't do it.  I'll have to tackle this from the 
website, a site which I find very frustrating as well. *shrug* a project for a 
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread Mark BurningHawk 
My Ipad is downloading mail from 2011 or so, and won't let me get current Gmail 
mails until I clear all of that out.  I've actually turned OFF Mail on my Gmail 
account--leaving other stuff on--until I deal with it, because as it is, Gmail 
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now, the only way to mail me on the Ipad exclusively is at 
burningh...@icloud.com … if you care. :)

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2013-01-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
OK, maybe I'm being dense, but I still don't see the problem. How is
this a hindrance to using email on the iPad? I have quite a few messages
in my in box, and I don't have any trouble using email on my iPhone. I
suspect I'm just missing something here.

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> All the messages are in the inbox.
> 
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> On 23/01/2013, at 17:10, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
>> Just curious, but why do you need to clear out all of that email from
>> Gmail? I've been using Gmail for years, and I have messages going back
>> years in various folders on Gmail. This doesn't cause any problems with
>> the iPhone.
>>
>> On 22/01/13 11:24, Mark BurningHawk wrote:
>>> Well,  before I mail anything to the Pad, even though I've made huge 
>>> breakthroughs with Mail and will probably end up liking it more than Mac 
>>> Mail--looks to be even faster--I need to clear out about a year and a 
>>> half's worth of old mail from Gmail, which refuses to delete anything 
>>> despite all attempts.  *grin*  I haven't seen an app yet on the Ipad 3 with 
>>> latest IOS to do either word processing or note taking (other than Notes, 
>>> of course), so will need to grab that, and also need to understand how to 
>>> build a folder structure on the Home screen and move things where I want 
>>> them; as it is now, it's a bit chaotic for my tastes…
>>>
>>> Mark BurningHawk
>>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread David Chittenden 
All the messages are in the inbox.

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> Just curious, but why do you need to clear out all of that email from
> Gmail? I've been using Gmail for years, and I have messages going back
> years in various folders on Gmail. This doesn't cause any problems with
> the iPhone.
> 
> On 22/01/13 11:24, Mark BurningHawk wrote:
>> Well,  before I mail anything to the Pad, even though I've made huge 
>> breakthroughs with Mail and will probably end up liking it more than Mac 
>> Mail--looks to be even faster--I need to clear out about a year and a half's 
>> worth of old mail from Gmail, which refuses to delete anything despite all 
>> attempts.  *grin*  I haven't seen an app yet on the Ipad 3 with latest IOS 
>> to do either word processing or note taking (other than Notes, of course), 
>> so will need to grab that, and also need to understand how to build a folder 
>> structure on the Home screen and move things where I want them; as it is 
>> now, it's a bit chaotic for my tastes…
>> 
>> Mark BurningHawk
>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> Home page:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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2013-01-22 Thread David Chittenden 
Folders are a purely visual situation. Double tap and hold with one finger on 
an app (pass through gesture). After the tritone, slide your finger slowly and 
the app will move. Place it on top of another app and a folder will 
automatically and both apps will be in it. I believe you can have up to 16 apps 
per folder. Drag other apps you want in the folder so that they are on top of 
the folder. When you lift your finger the apps automatically go in the folder.

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> Well,  before I mail anything to the Pad, even though I've made huge 
> breakthroughs with Mail and will probably end up liking it more than Mac 
> Mail--looks to be even faster--I need to clear out about a year and a half's 
> worth of old mail from Gmail, which refuses to delete anything despite all 
> attempts.  *grin*  I haven't seen an app yet on the Ipad 3 with latest IOS to 
> do either word processing or note taking (other than Notes, of course), so 
> will need to grab that, and also need to understand how to build a folder 
> structure on the Home screen and move things where I want them; as it is now, 
> it's a bit chaotic for my tastes…
> 
> Mark BurningHawk
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread David Chittenden 
I found gmail's server stuff to be quite frustrating. You need to work your way 
in to gmail's profile handling of messages and tell it to delete messages when 
you delete them. The default setting is to save all messages on the server. It 
took me a couple weeks to figure out what was going on. I still have over 
100,000 messages to clear out. I have been using gmail since 2004.

You are probably moving your finger too fast and then lifting it from the 
screen. IOS interprets this as a vertical flick. Vertical flick is perform the 
action selected in the rotor. For moving on the screen, it is smaller movements 
that are not too fast. do not remove your finger from the display until VO 
starts speaking the item.On the Braille display, dot 7 with space bar is delete 
and dot 8 with space bar is enter. Braille Edge may have set it up so dot 7 
sends the dot 7 chord key codes. Try dot 7 with other dots, all pressed 
simeltaniously. Don't forget k chord is keyboard help.

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On 21/01/2013, at 3:56, Mark BurningHawk  wrote:

> Hi, David.
> 
> I told both Gmail on the server (I think) and Mail on the Mac to delete 
> copies of messages from the server after download, but no one ever listens. 
> :)  So, yes, I'll have to slay this particular hydra as well.  I seem to be 
> consistently having a problem with the "Slide one finger up or down," 
> gesture.  I think it's being confused with my swipe.  There's an adjustable 
> page scroll spot on my home screen that I cannot seem to "slide up or down to 
> change value," but can split-tape it.  Same thing with my "double tap and 
> hold," gesture; when switching the keyboard between letters and numbers or 
> symbols, When I double-tap the "more," spot, it'll say, "more, numbers," then 
> I have to double tap and hold again to get the numbers to actually appear.  
> It's almost three gestures in one just to switch the keyboard map.  When I 
> slide up or down to change a value, Vo seems to interpret this as a swipe or 
> two-finger flick-up and starts reading the whole screen.  Every time I check 
> the rotor, it's set to containers.  So, maybe I need to refine my gestures a 
> bit more.  But, I've taken this thing out of the boxes and am now up to using 
> Skype, so I'll get the rest; I look forward to playing with it.
> 
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
Just curious, but why do you need to clear out all of that email from
Gmail? I've been using Gmail for years, and I have messages going back
years in various folders on Gmail. This doesn't cause any problems with
the iPhone.

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> Well,  before I mail anything to the Pad, even though I've made huge 
> breakthroughs with Mail and will probably end up liking it more than Mac 
> Mail--looks to be even faster--I need to clear out about a year and a half's 
> worth of old mail from Gmail, which refuses to delete anything despite all 
> attempts.  *grin*  I haven't seen an app yet on the Ipad 3 with latest IOS to 
> do either word processing or note taking (other than Notes, of course), so 
> will need to grab that, and also need to understand how to build a folder 
> structure on the Home screen and move things where I want them; as it is now, 
> it's a bit chaotic for my tastes…
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread Mark BurningHawk 
Well,  before I mail anything to the Pad, even though I've made huge 
breakthroughs with Mail and will probably end up liking it more than Mac 
Mail--looks to be even faster--I need to clear out about a year and a half's 
worth of old mail from Gmail, which refuses to delete anything despite all 
attempts.  *grin*  I haven't seen an app yet on the Ipad 3 with latest IOS to 
do either word processing or note taking (other than Notes, of course), so will 
need to grab that, and also need to understand how to build a folder structure 
on the Home screen and move things where I want them; as it is now, it's a bit 
chaotic for my tastes…

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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-22 Thread David Chittenden 
On the iPad side, you need apps which handle the file types in order to get 
those files from the cloud. Try Pages for documents. It should work, but I 
haven't tried it yet. I use iTunes or email the documents to myself.

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On 22/01/2013, at 8:15, Mark BurningHawk  wrote:

> So, I could, once Edit is pressed, accomplish a quick skim of my E-mail, with 
> deleting to trash, with a few flicks.  Thanks; this is what I want to hear, 
> as I am doing so much now on my Pad that I normally do on my Mac that I"m 
> thinking the Pad might replace my Macbook, which is old and should be treated 
> with gentleness.  I have not yet downloaded a file with Safari, only 
> bought/installed apps from the app store, I don't know how to organize 
> documents yet, because none have been sent from the MBP.  Even though Icloud 
> is supposed to store documents and data, my Macbook's System preferences says 
> "Cohoes an app on the left to manage documents and dada," but I see no such 
> app.  Thanks again, though; if I can get real efficient in Mail I'll be quite 
> happy.
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-21 Thread Mark BurningHawk 
So, I could, once Edit is pressed, accomplish a quick skim of my E-mail, with 
deleting to trash, with a few flicks.  Thanks; this is what I want to hear, as 
I am doing so much now on my Pad that I normally do on my Mac that I"m thinking 
the Pad might replace my Macbook, which is old and should be treated with 
gentleness.  I have not yet downloaded a file with Safari, only 
bought/installed apps from the app store, I don't know how to organize 
documents yet, because none have been sent from the MBP.  Even though Icloud is 
supposed to store documents and data, my Macbook's System preferences says 
"Cohoes an app on the left to manage documents and dada," but I see no such 
app.  Thanks again, though; if I can get real efficient in Mail I'll be quite 
happy.

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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-21 Thread David Chittenden 
First of all, double tap and hold on the more numbers button does the same as 
double tap or split tap. I just set my keyboard to standard and tested this.

When VO says slide, there is a visible slider bar which a sighted person 
touches and quickly slides the finger along. Double tap works just as well on 
these controls.

If you are talking about an item picker, double tap on the picker to activate 
it. VO focus usually moves to the activated item, which is displayed near the 
bottom in the middle of the display. Use a single finger vertical flick to move 
to the choice you desire. left flick to the done button to deactivate the 
chooser and select your choice.

If you want to quickly go through your email just reading the subject lines and 
selecting the ones you do not want for deletion, there are two ways for 
accomplishing this. Double tap edit. place your finger at the first or last 
message. double tap to select it. single finger horizontal flick (left or right 
depending on the direction you are moving to move through the messages. Double 
tap on each message to select it. You can also double tap to deselect a 
selected message. When finished, find the delete button and double or split tap 
to activate it.

The other way is to set your rotor to actions (it defaults to actions when you 
open the mail app). As you flick through the messages, use a single finger 
vertical vertical flick to select delete and double tap to delete the currently 
selected message.

I do all my email on my iPhone and this is how I do it.

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On 21/01/2013, at 3:07, Mark BurningHawk  wrote:

> For the moment, I'musing standard typing.  I'll switch to touch typing 
> eventually, but for now I like to split-tap when I am sure I've got the 
> letter I want.  I'm not slow, I have a hearing loss, and I have like eight 
> passwords that NEED to be entered correctly or else all sorts of cluster 
> arrangements will occur.  So, if I split tap on the More, numbers, button, I 
> hear a faint click, but the keyboard is still the same.  If I touch "more, 
> numbers, then lift up, double tap and hold, I hear a different noise which is 
> a three-tone noise, which means to me the keyboard has changed, and sure 
> enough, it has.  I'm not sure what I"m doing here that's nonstandard.
> 
> And, no, I'm sorry, but there are no other fingers accidentally touching the 
> screen; this was the first habit I cured myself of a long time ago.  No, I 
> think perhaps there's some misinterpretation involved when the IOS says 
> "Slide up or down to change the value," but Voiceover says "double tap to 
> change the value."  I'm wondering if this is a similar occurrence to when I 
> power down the Ipad and VO says "slide to power off," but what is needed is a 
> double-tap there.  In the case of the sliding up or down, it's important if I 
> want to slide my way through a message list, for example, and split-tap to 
> select for deletion when I've pressed the edit button.
> 
> Once I figure an efficient, fast way to sort through Mail, I'll be able to 
> start using my pad for just about everything I use my laptop for. Already.
> 
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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-20 Thread Mark BurningHawk 
For the moment, I'musing standard typing.  I'll switch to touch typing 
eventually, but for now I like to split-tap when I am sure I've got the letter 
I want.  I'm not slow, I have a hearing loss, and I have like eight passwords 
that NEED to be entered correctly or else all sorts of cluster arrangements 
will occur.  So, if I split tap on the More, numbers, button, I hear a faint 
click, but the keyboard is still the same.  If I touch "more, numbers, then 
lift up, double tap and hold, I hear a different noise which is a three-tone 
noise, which means to me the keyboard has changed, and sure enough, it has.  
I'm not sure what I"m doing here that's nonstandard.

And, no, I'm sorry, but there are no other fingers accidentally touching the 
screen; this was the first habit I cured myself of a long time ago.  No, I 
think perhaps there's some misinterpretation involved when the IOS says "Slide 
up or down to change the value," but Voiceover says "double tap to change the 
value."  I'm wondering if this is a similar occurrence to when I power down the 
Ipad and VO says "slide to power off," but what is needed is a double-tap 
there.  In the case of the sliding up or down, it's important if I want to 
slide my way through a message list, for example, and split-tap to select for 
deletion when I've pressed the edit button.

Once I figure an efficient, fast way to sort through Mail, I'll be able to 
start using my pad for just about everything I use my laptop for. Already.

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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-20 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
See some thoughts below.

On 20/01/13 08:56, Mark BurningHawk wrote:
> when switching the
> keyboard between letters and numbers or symbols, When I double-tap the
> "more," spot, it'll say, "more, numbers," then I have to double tap and
> hold again to get the numbers to actually appear.  It's almost three
> gestures in one just to switch the keyboard map.  

Are you using touch typing or standard typing? If you're using touch
typing then you don't double tap or split tap the More symbols or More
letters buttons. You just slide your finger over there and release our
finger like you do when you're entering a character.

> When I slide up or
> down to change a value, Vo seems to interpret this as a swipe or
> two-finger flick-up and starts reading the whole screen.
What values are you trying to change? If you're typing, sounds like
you're lifting your finger off of the screen when sliding around to find
the characters you're looking for. Also, sounds like you might be
accidentally having another finger tough the screen, maybe with some
fingers wrapped around the edge or another finger trailing the finger
you're using to touch type with.

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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-20 Thread Mark BurningHawk 
Hi, David.

I told both Gmail on the server (I think) and Mail on the Mac to delete copies 
of messages from the server after download, but no one ever listens. :)  So, 
yes, I'll have to slay this particular hydra as well.  I seem to be 
consistently having a problem with the "Slide one finger up or down," gesture.  
I think it's being confused with my swipe.  There's an adjustable page scroll 
spot on my home screen that I cannot seem to "slide up or down to change 
value," but can split-tape it.  Same thing with my "double tap and hold," 
gesture; when switching the keyboard between letters and numbers or symbols, 
When I double-tap the "more," spot, it'll say, "more, numbers," then I have to 
double tap and hold again to get the numbers to actually appear.  It's almost 
three gestures in one just to switch the keyboard map.  When I slide up or down 
to change a value, Vo seems to interpret this as a swipe or two-finger flick-up 
and starts reading the whole screen.  Every time I check the rotor, it's set to 
containers.  So, maybe I need to refine my gestures a bit more.  But, I've 
taken this thing out of the boxes and am now up to using Skype, so I'll get the 
rest; I look forward to playing with it.

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Re: syncing Ipad with MBP15 continued.

2013-01-19 Thread David Chittenden 
Hi Mark,

Remember, iOS is designed primarily to be a touch-screen interface. The way it 
handles email is different from what you are use to on the Mac.

Your message list shows messages by subject. You can do some basic tweaking in 
settings, mail contacts and calendar. This tweaking determines how many 
messages to have in the inbox, should messages be grouped by conversations 
(messages with the same subject line), what you want your signature to say, 
archive or delete gmail messages, and so forth.

When you double or split tap on a message subject, it will either open the 
message, or open the messages which have the same subject line. Note: I have an 
iPhone, not an iPad, so I do not have access to the split screen and containers.

When in a message, you can delete, move, or reply to the message. Under reply 
you will find reply, reply all, forward, and print.

When not in a message, if your rotor is set to actions (iOS 6 or later), use a 
single finger vertical flick to select delete, double tap with one finger, and 
the message will be deleted. The other choice is default action, which opens 
the message or conversation.

If you wish to go through and select several messages for deletion at one time, 
double tap on edit. Now, when you double tap a message, it is selected, rather 
than opened. After selecting all the messages you wish to effect, find and 
activate the delete button or the move button. There is no select all command 
except in the trash folder.

You move through the list of messages/conversations using the right or left 
flicks. Three finger vertical swipes move you up or down a page of messages at 
a time. You can also slide your finger down the vertical list of messages to 
have VO announce the subjects. I suspect that double tap on a message brings up 
the text in the right-hand pane.

If you have hints turned on, and have preview turned on, VO will speak the 
first couple lines of the selected message when you touch or swipe to it (iOS 6 
or above).

As for your old messages in gmail, mail will continue presenting them until you 
archive/delete them. I have thousands of messages to clear out this way because 
I used POP and saved all messages on the server. I have now changed gmail's 
handling behaviour for messages, but need to clean out several years of this 
previous setting. I now use IMAP rather than POP, and changed the archive all 
messages on the server to delete messages that are deleted. Once I clear out 
all those older messages, the behaviour will cease.


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On 19/01/2013, at 8:36, Mark BurningHawk  wrote:

> Hi, folks:
> 
> Thanks to all who've been very helpful to me so far in learning the Ipad 3.  
> Today, I charged it via the USB cable to my MBP15, and it came up in Itunes 
> just as it should.  I authorized backup over WIFI now, too, so the hard 
> connection won't be necessary.
> 
> Now,  I understand that the Ipad was backed up to my computer (Though I 
> cannot find this backup anywhere through Finder).  What I wanted to do, 
> however, though, was sync all my contacts from the MTP 8ONTO* the Ipad, so 
> that it would know all my mail addresses, etc.  I have no evidence this was 
> done, or that it can be done.
> 
> Also, I'm having a hard time making Mail perform in a way I understand.  For 
> one thing, Gmail insists on showing me messages from June, 2011!, which I can 
> deal with, but I cannot figure out how to move quickly between messages, 
> either in list or in body (I'd prefer to navigate by the "regard,ing," 
> subject line column), and I don't understand how to select all and delete 
> them from my Inbox when I'm dong.  
> 
> Is there a podcast I can inhale on how Mail works in IOS6?  
> 
> My last question would be how to get audio books or music from the Macbook 
> ONTO the Pad, assumedly through Itunes, manually? I have 86GB of music and 
> only 27GB free on the Ipad. :)
> 
> Thanks, all!
> 
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2013-01-18 Thread Mark BurningHawk 
Hi, folks:

Thanks to all who've been very helpful to me so far in learning the Ipad 3.  
Today, I charged it via the USB cable to my MBP15, and it came up in Itunes 
just as it should.  I authorized backup over WIFI now, too, so the hard 
connection won't be necessary.

Now,  I understand that the Ipad was backed up to my computer (Though I cannot 
find this backup anywhere through Finder).  What I wanted to do, however, 
though, was sync all my contacts from the MTP 8ONTO* the Ipad, so that it would 
know all my mail addresses, etc.  I have no evidence this was done, or that it 
can be done.

Also, I'm having a hard time making Mail perform in a way I understand.  For 
one thing, Gmail insists on showing me messages from June, 2011!, which I can 
deal with, but I cannot figure out how to move quickly between messages, either 
in list or in body (I'd prefer to navigate by the "regard,ing," subject line 
column), and I don't understand how to select all and delete them from my Inbox 
when I'm dong.  

Is there a podcast I can inhale on how Mail works in IOS6?  

My last question would be how to get audio books or music from the Macbook ONTO 
the Pad, assumedly through Itunes, manually? I have 86GB of music and only 27GB 
free on the Ipad. :)

Thanks, all!


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Mark BurningHawk
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Home page:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/

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