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[Vo]:Re: the entirety of the quantum condition exists within a subset of Newtonian mechanics... The Quantum Condition and an Elastic Limit, free full text, 2014 Frank Znidarsic PE: Rich Murray 2015.02
That's a good question Rich. I will have to review it. It may have only to do with the elastic constant and the wave number. I am not sure if these systems have a zero point orbit. Very good question. I have no answer for now. Frank Znidarsic Sent from my iPad > On Feb 6, 2015, at 10:18 PM, Rich Murray wrote: > > Since QM applies to all physical systems, the question arises: does your > simple approach apply to systems that do not have an atomic nucleus, such as > positronium, an electron and a positron in orbit around their common center > of mass? > > with appreciation, Rich Murray > >> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frank Znidarsic wrote: >> Thanks Rich. >> >> I have read of Jones Bennie's comment where he speculates that transformer >> action lies at the heart of the cold fusion phenomena. This is very close >> to my logic, however, I have up with a velocity associated with the >> transformer action. The product of the nm dimension and the terahertz >> stimulation is 1 million meters per second. This is Jones' transformer >> described in more detail. So what is the 1 million meters per second? Its >> the velocity of sound in the nucleus. Once we know this we can derive the >> entirety of the quantum condition without and cold fusion. My paper has no >> cold fusion in it. >> >> Jones has also commented about a strong paramagnetic effect. This idea is >> on track but too limited. We must understand that magnetic fields are not a >> conserved property of the universe. They come and go as needed. It's the >> magnetic component of the strong nuclear force (the spin orbit force) that's >> at work in cold fusion. I believe that Jones has the right idea but the >> wrong force. >> >> We have also discussed interpretations of quantum physics. These are the >> Copenhagen and the pilot wave. A new one emerges as a result of the >> transform action. Transformers match the impedance of a system. The >> interpretation to arrive out of Jones' transformer the impedance matching >> interpenetration of quantum physics. One one photon emerges from a quantum >> transition. That implies that the quantum transition occurs in a single >> step without bounce. How do you match impedance of a line? With a >> transformer, of course. >> >> >> >> Frank Znidarsic >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rich Murray >> To: vortex-L ; Frank Znidarsic ; >> Rich Murray >> Sent: Thu, Feb 5, 2015 10:51 pm >> Subject: the entirety of the quantum condition exists within a subset of >> Newtonian mechanics... The Quantum Condition and an Elastic Limit, free full >> text, 2014 Frank Znidarsic PE: Rich Murray 2015.02.05 >> >> the entirety of the quantum condition exists within a subset of Newtonian >> mechanics... The Quantum Condition and an Elastic Limit, free full text, >> 2014 Frank Znidarsic PE: Rich Murray 2015.02.05 >> http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-entirety-of-quantum-condition.html >> >> >> "This author suggests that this extension analysis may demonstrate that the >> entirety of the quantum condition exists within a subset of Newtonian >> mechanics." >> >> http://benthamopen.com/CHEM/VOLUME/1/ >> >> http://benthamopen.com/FULLTEXT/CHEM-1-21 >> >> Open Chemistry Journal >> ISSN: 1874-8422 ― Volume 1, 2014 >> >> The Quantum Condition and an Elastic Limit >> >> Frank Znidarsic P.E. >> Registered Professional Engineer, State of Pennsylvania >> >> Abstract >> >> Charles-Augustin de Coulomb introduced his equations over two centuries ago. >> >> These equations quantified the force and the energy of interacting >> electrical charges. >> >> The electrical permittivity of free space was factored into Coulomb’s >> equations. >> >> A century later James Clear Maxwell showed that the velocity of light >> emerged as a consequence this permittivity. >> >> These constructs were a crowning achievement of classical physics. >> >> In spite of these accomplishments, the philosophy of classical Newtonian >> physics offered no causative explanation for the quantum condition. >> >> Planck’s empirical constant was interjected, ad-hoc, into a description of >> atomic scale phenomena. >> >> Coulomb’s equation was re-factored into the terms of an elastic constant and >> a wave number. >> >> Like Coulomb’s formulation, the new formulation quantified the force and the >> energy produced by the interaction of electrical charges. >> >> The Compton frequency of the electron, the energy levels of the atoms, the >> energy of the photon, the speed of the atomic electrons, and Planck’s >> constant, spontaneously emerged from the reformulation. >> >> The emergence of these quantities, from a classical analysis, extended the >> realm of classical physics into a domain that was considered to be >> exclusively that of the quantum. >> >> Keywords: Atomic radii, photoelectric effect, Planck’s constant, the quantum >> condition. >> >> Artic
[Vo]:Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity (for 99cents)
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Re: [Vo]:Unlimited Electricity's Newest Power Generator Will Fit Inside a Duffel Bag
Could be no location with an 866 area code. 866: Toll-free telephone service (see also 800, 822, 833, 844, 855, 877, 888, 880–882, 883–887, and 889 in this list) -Original Message- From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Sep 8, 2014 8:56 pm Subject: [Vo]:Unlimited Electricity's Newest Power Generator Will Fit Inside a Duffel Bag http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/09/prweb12146947.htm http://unlimitedelectricity.com/our-technology.html Pre-Ordernow! Sendyour checks to Nigeria. Regards, StevenVincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:global warming?
I noticed something last week. No more bird pew on my law chairs. The robins have already left Pennsylvania and are on their way south. Maybe they know something the climate scientists do not. Frank Z
[Vo]:peer review
I have been trying to publish peer review articles for years. I have been universally blocked. I thank IE and Amazon for helping to get my work out there. I need to publish one good peer reviewed article. I had a peer reviewed conference paper published but the peer reviewer (co-author) striped my paper to the point that it was worthless. My paper has just been accepted by Benham Chemistry. The fee is $800 to publish an open access article. I would pay this if it would really provide credibility. Will this publication provided any credibility at all? I am not sure. I could stick with the General Science Journal non-peer review for a lot less money. What do you think? Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:12 part Znidarsic interview with Alien Scientist forum
Thank you for your interest Harvey. Parts of that video sequence have been removed due to an image copyright complaint. I do have good news, however, a peer reviewed journal of chemistry at Benham has approved my paper for publication. We will have to see how this goes. Someone may step in and stop it. I am keeping my fingers crossed. My books at amazon are selling slow one ever second or third day. Frank Znidasic
Re: [Vo]:Scientists protest the high cost of journals
Yes indeed, thank you Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22&rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22 -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Jul 14, 2014 5:44 pm Subject: [Vo]:Scientists protest the high cost of journals See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cost_of_Knowledge I found this in a comment in the New York Times, QUOTE: "As an academic, I shed no tears for publishers. In the sciences, publishers add little to no value, passing on all the work from writing, refereeing, editing and even typesetting to the scientific community. They then reap huge profits by "bundling" journals back to the academic community. Please Amazon, could you break Elsevier's back too?" This is an article about Amazon versus publishers: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/technology/amazon-a-friendly-giant-as-long-as-its-fed.html - Jed
[Vo]:off topic- Helmet
About 2 years ago I purchased a lithium ion electric bike. I wanted to learn about the technology and have fun. I learned abut the technology because everything on the motor, bike, and drive broke down. I replaced, upgraded, and beefed up everything that failed. The bike will now do 30 mph floored and peddling. I am 61 and mostly go slow. I wear a helmet. I was going a bit faster on a local road at about 19 MPH and turned onto a sidewalk to get away from any traffic while slowing down. There was a small lip on the curb's driveway depression. My front tire caught the lip and I was thrown on the the concrete at 12 MPH. I landed right on my head. The helmet took it for me, picture linked below. You will seen the gouges and the rivets scraped off. Thanks to the helmet it was not my scalp that was scraped off. I scraped up my knee and my shoulder and my hands hurt (ouch). I have no seriously injured thanks to the helmet. I will be out of service for about a week or so but I am retired and can take a break. Perhaps at 61, I am getting to old for this sort of activity. It was fun until this happened. Lesson learned, even if you go slow ware a helmet. I former biker told me, walk, that's what I do after I went body surfing 20 years ago. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/helmet Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:what is bluestar?
Thanks Terry. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Jul 5, 2014 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:what is bluestar? The "mysterious" partner: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/23/us-japan-panasonic-idUSBREA4M0DS20140523 On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > http://www.cnet.com/news/teslas-bluestar-to-be-all-electric-family-car/ > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 10:58 PM, wrote: >> http://pro.moneymappress.com/NVXTESLAMMP60NEW/PNVXQ520/?iris=218598&h=true
[Vo]:what is bluestar?
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[Vo]:NASA Launches flying saucer?
Saw a brief comment about the flying saucer for mars aloft for 30 minutes. It did not say if the propulsion was conventional. Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:The speed of technological change
How fast could cold fusion progress? I took a graphic picture of technological change now in progress. What was once of great value, like a projection TV, is now just junk. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/TechnologyChange.jpg enjoy Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:nice essay Jed
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2000
Re: [Vo]:They're finally catching up!
I don't know about that but I am back in the top 20 in sales of my book and making progress slowly. I have followed my own path. http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/digital-text/159789011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_kstore_1_6_last Frank Z -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Apr 25, 2014 8:44 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:They're finally catching up! Mark, I totally agree and believe the virtual particles winking into and out of existence are the constituents of this river flowing 90 degrees to our physical dimensions between the future and the past. While the water molecules of a physical river persist in our physical dimension this flow of virtual particles does not, making even the semantics of pressure and time depend on perspective. Water may be an emergent property but as such it emerges from quantum behavior of still physical atoms and molecules.. space time is the emergent property of a sea of VIRTUAL particles that do not follow classical behavior. IMHO they continue to exert pressure upon each other in an infinite reservoir of time separated by a bladder we call the “Present” that contains our physical dimensions. The virtual particles only exist for us as the resivoir seeps thru the bladder. We normally get away with ignoring the quantum gravity and assume an isotropy because these effects are normally averaged out below the Planck scale and natural formation of geometry that would unbalance these effects is opposed by nature – stiction and Casimir effect being 2 macro world examples, this is why the geometry of these powders and skeletal cats is so difficult to achieve and maintain in that it reaches down below the planck scale to segregate these forces into physical scale regions capable of breaking the isotropy and interacting selectively with physical matter. Fran From: MarkI-Zeropoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 6:51 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:They're finally catching up! Some of the ol' time Vorts will remember how I've been ranting for years on how the vacuum is a near fricionless fluid under extreme pressure... well, the theorists are finally coming around... they got the nearly frictionless part in, now all that's left is to add some 'pressure', and voila! -Mark Iverson Liquid spacetime: A very slippery superfluid, that's what spacetime could be like http://phys.org/news/2014-04-liquid-spacetime-slippery-superfluid.html "If spacetime is a kind of fluid, then we must also take into account its viscosity and other dissipative effects, which had never been considered in detail". Liberati and Maccione catalogued these effects and showed that viscosity tends to rapidly dissipate photons and other particles along their path, "And yet we can see photons travelling from astrophysical objects located millions of light years away!" he continues. "If spacetime is a fluid, then according to our calculations it must necessarily be a superfluid. This means that its viscosity value is extremely low, close to zero". http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.112.151301
Re: [Vo]:anti-gravity
I met Martin Tjmar during one of my lectures. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/movies/jhu.wmv -Original Message- From: David Roberson To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Apr 13, 2014 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:anti-gravity Thanks for the link Steve. I am interesting in finding out more about this subject. For folks that suspect that there may be some truth to the stories about UFOs there must be some means of propulsion that is robust and capable of being operated by electricity. Perhaps Dr. Podkletnov has found a clue. Imagine how well an ECAT driving a thermoelectric generator that supplies the power to one of these advanced technologies might function. I am dreaming of future possibilities. Dave -Original Message- From: Steve High To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Apr 13, 2014 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:anti-gravity Sheesh, Evgeny Podkletnov twenty years ago was spinning a superconducting disk at a high RPM. He noted a three percent loss of weight for objects placed above the disk. His work was pretty well documented as I recall although of course he lost his job at some Finnish university. This sounds like the same general effect although Podkletnov's effect seems orders of magnitude more robust. Here's an interview with American Antigravity (the best kind:-) ) I will try to dig up more info on this if anyone's interested. http://www.americanantigravity.com/news/space/eugene-podkletnov-on-antigravity.html Steve High On Apr 12, 2014, at 8:34 PM, David Roberson wrote: This is an interesting subject about which I would like more information. I have read a couple of papers that suggest that a large current discharge through a superconductor can generate an apparent momentum kick to nearby objects but it is difficult to accept without plenty of skepticism. Does anyone on the vortex know of proof that any of the anti gravity systems actually function? Better yet, how many among the group believe that this is possible or have witnessed a demonstration? Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:01 pm Subject: [Vo]:anti-gravity http://www.nature.com/news/2001/010612/full/news010614-6.html Stiff challenge to spacetime A strong magnetic field can flatten space time by imposing a 1 dimensional character on the three dimensional vacuum by aligning the vacuum along straight intense magnetic field lines. What this effectively accomplishes is reduces the intensity of space warping imposed on spacetime by the concentration of matter as defined by general relativity. It follows that a strong magnetic field will reduce the gravity field that a mass imposes on spacetime (aka anti-gravity).
[Vo]:co2 for fracking
They are doing it here in Western Pa and it seems to be working. http://marcellusdrilling.com/2013/11/co2-instead-of-water-for-fracking-seriously/ Frank
[Vo]:Modern technology for every time in ones life.
I attended to a funeral two weeks ago. He was a veteran of WW2. The bugle player was excellent. He played taps. Many cried. I went to another funeral today. Taps were played again,the bugle player sneezed and, the bugle kept on playing. I asked about it, They are now using digital bugles. They play with the touch of a button. What next? Frank.
[Vo]:Helping the Local Johnstown Library out
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Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
The barrier is still there. Its like a rabbit trying to get over you garden fence. The barrier stops it. You just step over it because the length of your step exceeds that of the barrier. Over you go, no thump. The ONLY way the Coulomb barrier can be crossed without emitting radiation,the thump, is where we have a force with a longer range than the Coulombic. The expelled spin orbit force does the trick. Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
The hot fusion people know that the spin orbit force is there. They consider it to be like the electromagnetic moment of the electron. Not of much use as its range is too short. They to not consider that the nuclear spin orbit force is not conserved and it can increase in range and strength under certain conditions. They do not consider that it can be expelled from a condensate. These are big omissions and the reason that they cannot understand cold fusion. They are working with the wrong force. Frank Z -Original Message- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier No! I did not say this. I am speaking about the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force the spin orbit force. It is NOT electromagnetic, It does not attract metal. It flips nucleons. I only used the electromagnetic force in an analogy to show that the magnetic field conserves momentum in a system where changes in the original force field propagate at light speed. It takes time for the system to settle. During that time the magnetic field conserves the momentum of the system. The magnetic field emerges as needed from nowhere. It goes away once its job is done. The gravitomagnetic, nuclear spin orbit force, and electromagnetic forces all operate in the manor. Frank As Frank indicated, a steady magnetic field should not be able to directly reduce the Coulomb barrier and hence I am exploring the concept of a time changing one. -Original Message- From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier Dave- The note from Frank: "The net effect is a growing field and energy release that work together." The growing field involves a larger volume and coupling for release of small packets of energy. Is this not a coherent system? The coherency occurs as a characteristic of a bigger and bigger system (more particles) as required to convert the mass change at the NAE to thermal energy. I have indicated that spin coupling among electrons and nuclei may be involved in the distribution of small packets of energy without damage to the NAE structure. Bob - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier Bob, I do not understand your question. I still believe that a large magnetic field is interacting with the individual small NAE in a manner that results in positive feedback among them. The actual manner in which this interaction occurs is evading me. As Frank indicated, a steady magnetic field should not be able to directly reduce the Coulomb barrier and hence I am exploring the concept of a time changing one. He appears to have a concept that allows for the generation of an extremely large magnetic field and if that field changes with time, then the generated electric component might be the one I seek. Do you have a concept that effectively results in the reduction of the Coulomb barrier that we normally discuss? It seems that energy can be borrowed from the time changing magnetic field of sufficient magnitude to reduce the net barrier leading to LENR activity. Once the reaction begins, that borrowed energy is replaced with interest. And, I suspect that most of the released energy from the reaction enhances the original field. The net effect is a growing field and energy release that work together. One interesting feature of this mechanism would be the existence of a threshold effect. Until sufficient coupling among the NEA is established very little energy would be released. That could explain why it is so very difficult to replicate systems. It may not be too difficult to get individual sites to react, but unless enough become involved, the total energy is too small to accurately measure. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 1:58 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier Dave-- Is your concept of coherence changing?Frank is providing a cause for expanded scope (size) of coherence in my mind. Thanks Frank. Bob - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier I understand that a steady magnetic field can not add energy to a charged particle. It can redirect the velocity vector of that particle but can not directly add energy to it somewhat like the behavior of an electron beam that is bent by a magnetic field so that it moves against a fixed electric field. The initial energy of the electron
Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
activity. Both can then grow until some limiting factor arises. IIRC DGT does suggest that the external magnetic field changes with time as their reaction varies. The question that arises is whether or not that rate of change would be able to generate a sufficient electric component. I find it interesting that nickel has a strong magnetic interaction that may well contribute to the rapid field changes. And, of course, the threshold in LENR occurring around the curie temperature of nickel must has some significance. Dave -Original Message----- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier Thats a common mistake. We cannot reduce the Coulomb barrier. The static force fields are conserved and cannot be reduced in a two body problem. The static force field can, however, be bypassed by a force with longer range. The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit force. It is never considered by the hot fusion people. In the solid cold fusion environment the magnetic component can be increased by a factor to 10 to the 39 power. Again I am not speaking of the electromagnetic field, I am speaking of the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force. In short "The constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is vibrated at a dimensional frequency of 1.094 megahertz-meters." Frank Z The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature operation of LENR devices. Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier? Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:39 am Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to overcome for fusion events to occur. Perhaps we should consider it as an electromagnetic barrier instead. There is plenty of reason to suspect that a magnetic component of force is active along with the electric component. Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the rate of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions associated with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields. I tend to think that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be understood in detail if an ultimate theory is to be developed. The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature operation of LENR devices. Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier? Dave
Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
Imagine this. What if the magnetic component of the electromagnetic field was ignored. We would VanderGraphs, Winhurst motors, and fur rupped rods emitting jumping sparks. We would not have employed the very strong magnetic force. No generators, motors, electromagnets, or speakers would exist. The electrified world of today would not be. Electricity would only be a curiosity. A coil with twice the turns has 4 times the magnetic effect. Where does the extra magnetic field come from? It comes from nowhere. The magnetic field is not conserved. It comes and goes as need to conserve momentum of the system when the original static field cannot. This strength of the non-conserved magnetic field made modem life possible. This is so well known that it is not even mentioned. The range of the electrical magnetic field can exceed that of the Coulombic. Superconductors entirely confine the Coulombic field yet a magnetic field extends beyond the bounds of the superconductor. All of the force fields conserve momentum in the same with, with an induced magnetic field. All of the magnetic components are not conserved. It is theoretically possible to dramatically increase them. All of them. No one to date has known how to increase the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force. This magnetic component is NOT electromagnetic. Cold fusion has shown the way. Vibrate a proton conductor at a dimensional frequency of one megahertz-meter. The non-conserved spin orbit force increases dramatically. Amazingly the process has gravitomagnetic effects too. We are on the verge of harnessing all of the natural forces. Why is it taking so long? Frank Z -Original Message- From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier Frank-- You noted: >>>The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit >>>force. It is never considered by the hot fusion people.<<< Why is it ignored? Bob - Original Message - From: fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier Thats a common mistake.We cannot reduce the Coulomb barrier. The static force fields are conserved and cannot be reduced in a two body problem. The static force field can, however, be bypassed by a force with longer range. The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit force. It is never considered by the hot fusion people. In the solid cold fusion environment the magnetic component can be increased by a factor to 10 to the 39 power. Again I am not speaking of the electromagnetic field, I am speaking of the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force. In short "The constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is vibrated at a dimensional frequency of 1.094 megahertz-meters." Frank Z The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature operation of LENR devices. Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier? Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:39 am Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to overcome for fusion events to occur.Perhaps we should consider it as an electromagnetic barrier instead.There is plenty of reason to suspect that a magnetic component of force is active along with the electric component. Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the rate of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions associated with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields. I tend to think that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be understood in detail if an ultimate theory is to be developed. The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature operation of LENR devices. Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier? Dave
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-Original Message- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 1:00 pm Subject: Fwd: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier Nuclear physicists limit themselves to two bodied problems and don't seem to understand collective motions. Electrical engineers work with collective motions all of the time. That's why it takes and Electrical Engineer, like me, to explain things to them. Take an isolated electron. A magnetic field follows its motion. Take two moving together. Yes there are two magnetic fields following the motion but there will be another mutually induced field also following the motion. The induced component becomes signification when designing air core RF transformations. Take an isolated nucleon. A magnetic SPIN ORBIT force follows its motion. Take a gadzillon nucleons moving together in a proton conductor. The long range strong magnetic component of the nuclear force becomes dominant. Get the movement going at 1 million meters per second and the arguments also provide a classical solution for the quantum condition. Simple logic. Frank Z -Original Message----- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier Thats a common mistake. We cannot reduce the Coulomb barrier. The static force fields are conserved and cannot be reduced in a two body problem. The static force field can, however, be bypassed by a force with longer range. The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit force. It is never considered by the hot fusion people. In the solid cold fusion environment the magnetic component can be increased by a factor to 10 to the 39 power. Again I am not speaking of the electromagnetic field, I am speaking of the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force. In short "The constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is vibrated at a dimensional frequency of 1.094 megahertz-meters." Frank Z The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature operation of LENR devices. Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier? Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:39 am Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to overcome for fusion events to occur. Perhaps we should consider it as an electromagnetic barrier instead. There is plenty of reason to suspect that a magnetic component of force is active along with the electric component. Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the rate of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions associated with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields. I tend to think that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be understood in detail if an ultimate theory is to be developed. The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature operation of LENR devices. Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier? Dave
Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
Thats a common mistake. We cannot reduce the Coulomb barrier. The static force fields are conserved and cannot be reduced in a two body problem. The static force field can, however, be bypassed by a force with longer range. The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit force. It is never considered by the hot fusion people. In the solid cold fusion environment the magnetic component can be increased by a factor to 10 to the 39 power. Again I am not speaking of the electromagnetic field, I am speaking of the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force. In short "The constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is vibrated at a dimensional frequency of 1.094 megahertz-meters." Frank Z The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature operation of LENR devices. Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier? Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:39 am Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to overcome for fusion events to occur. Perhaps we should consider it as an electromagnetic barrier instead. There is plenty of reason to suspect that a magnetic component of force is active along with the electric component. Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the rate of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions associated with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields. I tend to think that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be understood in detail if an ultimate theory is to be developed. The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature operation of LENR devices. Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier? Dave
Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the rate of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions associated with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields. I tend to think that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be understood in detail if an ultimate theory is to be developed. Good, The magnetic components of the force fields are not conserved. They can increases outwith bound. When they become stronger and act at a longer range than the Coulombic, the Coulombic barrier is bypassed. No cracks or heavy neutrons required. Soft iron increase the magnetic component of the electrical field. I believe that a vibrating Bose condensate acts like a soft iron equivalent for the strong nuclear spin orbit force. I have done a lot of math in an effort to prove this. Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Hunt for an 'unidentified electron objects'
produced via external pumping that keep the quasiparticle excited. Such pumping can create remarkably high effective temperatures in a narrow spectral region of the lowest energy states in a quasiparticle gas, resulting in strikingly unexpected transitional dynamics of Bose–Einstein quasiparticle condensates. Thanks Axil. The product of the particle size and the pumping frequency is 1,094,000 meters per second. The process describes the path of the quantum transition. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22&rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22 Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia
I looked at this and came up with the source of electromagnetic inertia is the acceleration of an energy flow. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter7.html -Original Message- From: John Berry To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:42 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia Then my idea is bust. But so is Special Relativity. There is no way for my idea to be wrong and Special Relativity to survive. John On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Bob Cook wrote: John-- Yes--I meant that I would say they propagate instantaneously. I think the field lines come out straight from the Sun. Bob - Original Message - From: John Berry To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Bob Cook wrote: John-- I would say that they do. I assume you mean propagate instantaneously? At least there is still the booby prize of disprovng SR. If they didn't, it seems the magnetic fields coming from the Sun to the earth would consistently have an arc concaved in the opposite direction from the Sun's rotation. I do not think this is observed. However, it may not have been looked for. Bob - Original Message - From: John Berry To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:04 AM, Bob Cook wrote: John-- Three points for clarification: How is the solenoid move, along the axis, perpendicular to the axis or rotate around the axis? In the case of increasing inertia, there is one solenoid and if you saw it as an O of your screen, it would accelerate to the right with that orientation. You could say in this case that the magnetic field axis is perpendicular to the acceleration axis. In the case of decreasing inertia, the axis of of the magnetic field of each coil is aligned to the axis of acceleration, and one coil is in front and one behind. If we were to try this on a spaceship, we would wrap one coil around the front of the spaceship, and one around the rear. Do you assume the electrons within the solenoid move at the velocity and acceleration of the solenoid? If so why? Because electrons tend to stay in the wire. Additionally all electromagnets could be replaced by permanent magnets. Why do you assume the magnetic field moves with the speed of light? It might move instantaneously, in fact I believe that could be the disproof of this idea. But in doing so it destroys Special Relativity, though not my goal this time, it is still a worthwhile discovery. It would seem it moves relative to the electrons motion and with inductive feedback force on the electrons. So a question is how fast does the inductive force happen? That is a good question. After writing this I did find a claim that near-fields propagate instantaneously. But there is no way around it, if they do Special Relativity is a fiction. BTW here is another version that might make it clearer: Increase of inertia: Make a square solenoid air core coil, we will label the sides left, right and up and down. At rest all sides of the solenoid repel the opposite sides equally leading to no net force. If we see the square coil as a square on our monitor and we suddenly accelerate it to the right, the left side of the coil will see it has now moved closer to the right side as it still sees the initial position (both visually and magnetically), it is literally moving into a denser portion of the right sides magnetic field because of a light speed delay, and feels a stronger repulsion. And the right side sees it has moved further away from the left side as it still sees the old position initially again so the right side feels a reduced repulsion as it is in a weaker portion of the magnetic field from the left. This means that a net magnetic force to the left is created, which opposes the initial acceleration. It is as if the rest mass has increased by electromagnetic means. Note: It might help to make these coils 1 light second or larger in size for visualization purposes. Decrease of inertia/Negative inertia
Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest
It's there and leaving the competition behind! Go Jed! -Original Message- From: Michele Comitini To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2000 It's there and leaving the competition behind! Commenter Joe Fisher show how much confusion raises when "nuclear" appears inside a text... 2014-03-14 16:17 GMT+01:00 : > Jed, I hope that they did not deep 6 you after all of the excellent work > you did. You said this may happen. If they did, you can send it somewhere > else. They are looking for papers like that in Scotland but its a bit to > far to travel to. I sent you a note on this also. > > Frank > > > -Original Message- > From: Jed Rothwell > To: vortex-l > Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:50 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest > > Bob Cook wrote: > >> Seems like the contest is rigged, since it contrasted so much with the >> vote of the fqxi community . . . > > > If it is rigged, you would think they would pull the entire essay page and > delete it from the index. This seems more like a glitch. > > The whole page disappeared momentarily, then returned in this state, with > the abstract, bio and link missing. > > Yesterday someone uploaded a comment which later disappeared. > > - Jed >
Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest
Jed, I hope that they did not deep 6 you after all of the excellent work you did. You said this may happen. If they did, you can send it somewhere else. They are looking for papers like that in Scotland but its a bit to far to travel to. I sent you a note on this also. Frank -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:50 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest Bob Cook wrote: Seems like the contest is rigged, since it contrasted so much with the vote of the fqxi community . . . If it is rigged, you would think they would pull the entire essay page and delete it from the index. This seems more like a glitch. The whole page disappeared momentarily, then returned in this state, with the abstract, bio and link missing. Yesterday someone uploaded a comment which later disappeared. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Sagnac as disproof of Special Relativity
Special Relativity that came out of my analysis of cold fusion. http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Essays/View/3900 Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
I thought of that. Some bottles are wet inside. Water has a very high dielectric constant. Such a device would be a moisture detector. What about different dielectric values different for the plastic? (or more in-depth analysis dielectric hysteresis) Maybe different electro-positivety/negativity? Sound -Original Message- From: John Berry To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find What about different dielectric values different for the plastic? (or more in-depth analysis dielectric hysteresis) Maybe different electro-positivety/negativity? Sounds like a long shot in a practical sense. Could the spectra that gets through show a different pattern? Yes #5 shows colors. What about a UV fluorescence? I tried that nothing. Near UV goes through all of the plastics. What about thermal insulative properties, if some change faster after a temperature drop an IR camera will pick it yp. I am there. #1 is opaque to terahertz radiation. #2 is transparent. Look at the front of a motion detector light. The plastic is #2. I am not doing anything right now. I'm not feeling good at all. Pains all over and ringing ears. John On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Bob Cook wrote: Yes I think Peter said something about the first week in February Bob - Original Message - From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Yes, I thought of Jones as well grounded and has a very good understanding of the potential quantum theory behind the animal, keeps Axil grounded and knows most of the history. Axil adds some contemporary flare and pinache and flips through cutting edge research papers like hotcakes. I am trying to connect the quantum dots with the astrophysical dudes to see if our flintsones model of the universe is dead & I think it is just about there. Has anybody heard from Peter? he is awfully quiet... Stewart On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Stewart-- I think Jones has that first slot already taken. (:>) Bob - Original Message - From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find I'm not sure if I want to write a million books or sell a million books... Anyway I am having fun piecing all the parts together, right or wrong and scaling it up to "cosmic scales" and developing/refining a theory. Sort of a bottom up approach. I find that posting a short one or two page post to a blog every couple of days is much easier than thinking about writing a formal book. I have a young editor following behind me and assembling the research/postings into a few annotated books. I think you could be the next "Tom Clancy" of cold fusion...you have a great skill of piecing together research papers, forming a theory and throwing in a little mystery and government intrigue. All good stuff. Stewart On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil wrote: Maybe you can become the new Isaac Asimov, He was a chemist who wrote a million books about everything with lots of references. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote: I grabbed an illustration off the Chandra telescope site. http://chandra.harvard.edu/ I figured my tax dollars helped pay for it. Amazon makes you use the words "annotated" or "illustrated" in your book name if you are using information within the public domain. I have lots of snippets, links and references. It is sort of a cobbled together "theory of everything" from an engineer with ADD. I am putting a book out this week on Doppler Radars and their negative effect on biology based upon my research, but I can't decide between Dopplerpocalypse, DopplerGeddon, Dopplerganger or Dopzilla. What do you think? Stewart On Saturday, March 1, 2014, wrote: That's a nice cover. How did you make it? Frank -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
That's a nice cover. How did you make it? Frank -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390339797&sr=1-1 It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com) adapted to an Ebook. It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum energy in our atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and the National Weather Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two "branes" of vacuum(6-D torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum stringing and streaming between them in the solar wind I started tracking low pressure systems off the equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and modeling them as if they were strings of vacuum, triggering hurricanes(entangled strings), waterspouts, sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering the Earth) and ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams triggering electromagnetic effects. These mesovortexes and supercells that break off the jet streams are basically "topological defects" of the "cosmic" strings of vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms, which is really the inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the solar wind. I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of the blog. The other book is focused on Doppler Microwave radars, which I think, based upon 6 months of study, including statistics, are triggering an increase in vacuum upsets around the radars, including an increase in sinkholes, shallow seismic events, mesovortex events, hypoxia/algae blooms in waters (through ionization and oxidation). If you take what Axil, Jones, Fran and others have been talking about at the atomic level and scale the vacuum energy up to the "cosmic level", it sort of follows along. I am working with two professional researchers now and feeding them my data around the towers to see if they get the same results with some other biological data. In 1956 Doppler radars were taken from the military and used for weather forecasting. Although they do a lot of good, I think they are also damaging biology. I have had a lot of fun developing a theory and piecing it all together in whatever direction it takes me. As I have looked closely at doppler radars, I have been recently looking at all of the cruise ship illnesses with norovirus. I am looking at those large cruise ships and they have people partying on elevated decks directly beside and between multiple 20,000-30,000 watt pulsed Doppler microwave radars inside the large radomes. I think those radars may be triggering the illness outbreaks. If you are going on a cruise, I would advise not hanging out too close to them. My partner was a military pilot on an aircraft carrier and they NEVER walked close to operating radars. http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/02/26/does-this-seem-remotely-safe-to-anybody/ I have all sorts of scientific data I found from the 1990's on concerns with Doppler radars causing cancer and related disease. Norovirus is basically strands of RNA, I think the microwave radars, along with the increased vacuum, may be creating it FROM HUMANS. You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while drinking a Pina Colada?? Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM, wrote: What book did you write? I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that count? I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can. -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Frank, I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that count? I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can. On Friday, February 28, 2014, wrote: Thanks Alan. I really still have a lot to learn. Its fun! Industrial products are the way to go. Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner. #5 false signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles. We shall see how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our first product. I will video the operation. I hope it is not a fiasco. Next going to try my luck at #2 plastic detection. #2 is transparent at terahertz frequencies. I already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector. I am going to try one of those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible spectrum analyzers as a cheep infrared polarizer. heat source> etched plate---> #2 plastic->etched plate 90 deg ---> PIR detector We shall see what happens. Maybe I will learn more and advan
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
What book did you write? I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that count? I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can. -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Frank, I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that count? I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can. On Friday, February 28, 2014, wrote: Thanks Alan. I really still have a lot to learn. Its fun! Industrial products are the way to go. Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner. #5 false signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles. We shall see how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our first product. I will video the operation. I hope it is not a fiasco. Next going to try my luck at #2 plastic detection. #2 is transparent at terahertz frequencies. I already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector. I am going to try one of those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible spectrum analyzers as a cheep infrared polarizer. heat source> etched plate---> #2 plastic->etched plate 90 deg ---> PIR detector We shall see what happens. Maybe I will learn more and advance by two steps. So far the costs have been low and Its been a learning experience. Sold 14 books in Feb. That produced revenue of $2 per day. My cat could live on it. Thank God I had a regular job for 32 years. This starting a business is difficult. Frank -Original Message- From: AlanG To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Alan G. How?I really want to do this. I would start with aprocess-control camera module, maybe 320x240 pixels. Youshouldn't need more resolution, and keeping the pixel count small means you won't need a fancy image processing chip. Such modules typically use the common I2C or similarserial control and data interface, and some modules will have anon-board micro controller. If I were doing this project, I'd writesome firmware that would look at the change in color informationbetween adjacent pixels and the do some simple statistical analysison the result. The goal is to generate a single value for each imagethat represents how many colors are contained in the image. Then allyou need is a threshold value above which the #5 plastic is detected. Other thresholds based on luminance might be capable ofsorting out the other types so that a single detector could do thewhole thing. AlanG
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
Thanks Alan. I really still have a lot to learn. Its fun! Industrial products are the way to go. Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner. #5 false signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles. We shall see how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our first product. I will video the operation. I hope it is not a fiasco. Next going to try my luck at #2 plastic detection. #2 is transparent at terahertz frequencies. I already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector. I am going to try one of those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible spectrum analyzers as a cheep infrared polarizer. heat source> etched plate---> #2 plastic->etched plate 90 deg ---> PIR detector We shall see what happens. Maybe I will learn more and advance by two steps. So far the costs have been low and Its been a learning experience. Sold 14 books in Feb. That produced revenue of $2 per day. My cat could live on it. Thank God I had a regular job for 32 years. This starting a business is difficult. Frank -Original Message- From: AlanG To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Alan G. How?I really want to do this. I would start with aprocess-control camera module, maybe 320x240 pixels. Youshouldn't need more resolution, and keeping the pixel count small means you won't need a fancy image processing chip. Such modules typically use the common I2C or similarserial control and data interface, and some modules will have anon-board micro controller. If I were doing this project, I'd writesome firmware that would look at the change in color informationbetween adjacent pixels and the do some simple statistical analysison the result. The goal is to generate a single value for each imagethat represents how many colors are contained in the image. Then allyou need is a threshold value above which the #5 plastic is detected. Other thresholds based on luminance might be capable ofsorting out the other types so that a single detector could do thewhole thing. AlanG
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
Sorry about the rant but getting the 1 and 0 out of the computer brings back bad memories. I had an office/ plant computer on my office. I used to print out documents and to print out data from a PLC, a PLC programmer, and local displays in the plant. It was OK and I was happy with it. They then installed a LAN and a LAN printer in the office. I said, "I need that printer to print out ladder logic and plant display listings" These displays replaced the local annunciation panels. Then one day I went in my office and the printer was gone. I was livid. I tried to buy a new one on a local purchase requisition but information services blocked the purchase. I had to go through them and we no longer supported office printers. We had a small contractor Willtronics. He built me an interface cable so that I could print to a file on my lab top. I used Basic and the input A in the lap top. It worked but over ran the buffer at times. Basic had no control over the CTS pin. I then had Wiltrinics build a cable with a resistor, capacitor, and a diode. I could send back mostly 0's and mostly 1's from the lap top with the basic program. These produced a one and a zero that stopped the transmitting device. Then LAN printer printed on the cracks in the paper. I had the Basic program change new page command command to a 1H1. This took more hours than I had. I stayed over nights (unpaid) to get it done. I closed the door and maintenance would find out I was there and still knock on it with something or another. The plant was sold upon utility deregulation. I was let go and given a package. If there is any conciliation the information services people we also expunged. I explained all of this to the remaining engineer. His eye rolled. When the new owner came in he just bought a new local printer. Daah! If there is any conciliation it happened just now. The fixed retirement was canceled when the plant was sold. It was all in the 401K. I got four more years of service in my package. The extra years came in nice now. Bob Vargo quote, "No society has ever survived after it had lost its industrial base." No more rant. Can I do this with a USB? I know nothing about USB drivers. Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
I now remember more. They took away my plant/office printer. It was no longer supported but it was needed. This made more than a bit of trouble for me. I had to print the PLC's output into a file in the new lap top. The D connector on the lap top became a printer emulator. I needed to stop the PLC when the lab top's buffer was full. The Basic program sent a back a series of that went through my detector and then back to the CTS pin on the lap top. This stopped the PLC when the lap tops buffer was full. A print file was then built by the Basic program within the lab top. I could then output the lab top's print file through the LAN system and onto the new office printer. They did not like it when I tied up (the only legal) office printer with 800 pages of ladder logic. No one cared. They sold the plant and got rid of me. I moved on. -Original Message- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:09 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Thank you Alan G. How?I really want to do this. I am lacking in my knowledge of digital signal processing. What software? Once I process the signal how do I get a 1 or 0 out of my old computer? I used to know how to get out a one with C and Basic. How do I get the two software packages talking? I am about ready to turn the detector over to Howard for testing. #5 plastic is straws and bottle caps. They either colored or to small to be detected. I just wanted to do better. I used to do something like this with the 9 pin D connectors on yesterday's computers. I needed a way to stop a serial line printer upon buffer full at my old job in 1995. It was an odd situation with some old but critical PLC's that needed to print to a new serial printer. The system worked fine until the office management installed a LAN printer and took away my old computer and printer. It was a long story the old computer was no longer supported, they said. I objected. We will get rid of the computer when we upgrade the PLC's, I said. It was not an office computer or printer. I was overridden and mad about it. All of the PLC software was on floppies. I transferred the software and wrote a C program to print out the ladder logic. It's been a while and I don't remember all of the details. I was too busy for this but now I had to do something. The Basic program could transmit an ASKI character with all zeros. I don't remember what character this was anymore. This resulted in a zero followed by a string of ones on the output line. It looked something like this 0111. The ones made a long pulse. The signal did not return to zero between the ones. I filtered the pulse with a resistor and a capacitor. The zero reset the capacitor through a signal diode. The string of all ones produced a high voltage in a detector and turned on an output. This output- was sent to the CTS pin. I could send the string of ASKI characters to the 9 pin D's output with C or Basic. I don't know if I can do this with a USB connector. Perhaps that needs to be my next product. A USB to single digital output. Frank -Original Message- From: AlanG To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find On 2/27/2014 10:17 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: #5 Plastic lets the light through in colors. Use a cheap camera sensor and lookat the color counts. Assuming the light source isbroad-spectrum, the #5 image should have a pretty high range ofcolor delta compared to the others. AlanG "It's only software..."
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
Thank you Alan G. How?I really want to do this. I am lacking in my knowledge of digital signal processing. What software? Once I process the signal how do I get a 1 or 0 out of my old computer? I used to know how to get out a one with C and Basic. How do I get the two software packages talking? I am about ready to turn the detector over to Howard for testing. #5 plastic is straws and bottle caps. They either colored or to small to be detected. I just wanted to do better. I used to do something like this with the 9 pin D connectors on yesterday's computers. I needed a way to stop a serial line printer upon buffer full at my old job in 1995. It was an odd situation with some old but critical PLC's that needed to print to a new serial printer. The system worked fine until the office management installed a LAN printer and took away my old computer and printer. It was a long story the old computer was no longer supported, they said. I objected. We will get rid of the computer when we upgrade the PLC's, I said. It was not an office computer or printer. I was overridden and mad about it. All of the PLC software was on floppies. I transferred the software and wrote a C program to print out the ladder logic. It's been a while and I don't remember all of the details. I was too busy for this but now I had to do something. The Basic program could transmit an ASKI character with all zeros. I don't remember what character this was anymore. This resulted in a zero followed by a string of ones on the output line. It looked something like this 0111. The ones made a long pulse. The signal did not return to zero between the ones. I filtered the pulse with a resistor and a capacitor. The zero reset the capacitor through a signal diode. The string of all ones produced a high voltage in a detector and turned on an output. This output- was sent to the CTS pin. I could send the string of ASKI characters to the 9 pin D's output with C or Basic. I don't know if I can do this with a USB connector. Perhaps that needs to be my next product. A USB to single digital output. Frank -Original Message- From: AlanG To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find On 2/27/2014 10:17 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: #5 Plastic lets the light through in colors. Use a cheap camera sensor and lookat the color counts. Assuming the light source isbroad-spectrum, the #5 image should have a pretty high range ofcolor delta compared to the others. AlanG "It's only software..."
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
Thank you Harry. The polarizing technique almost works. I don't need a robot. A vacuum hose sucks up one bottle at a time from a bin. The vacuum in the blocked hose retracts the hose. We then test it and spit it one way of the other with another blast of air. Upon release of the bottle the hose goes down again on its own. Howard has built the suck up machine. One moving part was required. Its a bit slow but we could have many. I am the one delaying the project. Frank He wants to devise a scanning method that identifies the type plastic without the need for labels. The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar code. Harry -Original Message- From: H Veeder To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Terry, Are you being funny? With barcodes and scanners cashiers don't need to read to price labels. He wants to devise a scanning method that identifies the type plastic without the need for labels. The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar code. Harry On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM, wrote: > Thank you Jones. I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and > washed. Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling
Fwd: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle? Thank you Terry. The bottles arrive crushed flat in the garbage truck. I have to make another video of the reversing of the colors its neat. I am still thinking and why not, its to cold to go outside. Frank
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
I know. I am looking for a robust low cost solution. I have found that if you look at the number #5 though a opposed circular polarizers you get an array of colors with light and dark spots. ref the video. If you look at the same plastic with the second circular polarizer reversed (+ for -) the light and dark spots are reversed and the colors are transposed. If you through 3d movie glasses one eye sees the opposite of what the other eye sees. Its crazy. Axil were you doing that? If you serialize the flow of plastic particles, each particle is analyzed based on it own optical characterization. To get high speed throughput, Process a 1000 particles a second one at a time. Multiple parallel particle paths can provide any level of desired throughput. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
Need Ideas. video linked below 3mb type mp4. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4 Conditon #1 Two opposed circular polarizers block the light. Condition #2 #1 PET plastic between the polarizers lets in the light. The effect is dramatic and easily detectable. Condtion #3Other plastics #2, and #7 block the light. #3 #4 are not bottles. We do not want colored plastic. Condition #4 #5 Plastic lets the light through in colors. The intensity is a little lower than #1. This intensity effect or the light scattering is not robust enough to separate dirty, crushed bottles. Condition #5 #1 plastic behind the the #5 plastic within the detector kills the colors. What is going on? I believe that the #5 is rotating the axis of polarization and that the #1 is randomizing the polarization. I have found no way to separate these conditions. I tried liner polarizers and circular polarizers in both conditions of rotation. The effect is always the same. Frank Z http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
Thank you Jones. I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and washed. All of the intact bottles float. They arrive dirty, crushed flat, and with the labels on and off. Large recyclers have methods to do this. These methods are expensive at $100,000. There are a lot of small recyclers that receive plastic from local recycle bins. This is my market. The technology must be cheep, and can include a lot of labor by the local owner. The rainbow of colors from the #5 plastic is a condition. It has a cause. If I could figure out the root cause maybe I could discriminate upon the effect. Like cold fusion a good theory is needed to help with the harnessing the rainbow effect. light> polarizer > bottle > polarizer > detector I always learn from doing. The light source is a LED light bulb. I have tested various bulbs and found that LED bulbs have a high frequency response. They can be modulated to eliminate stray light. I modulate mine with a half wave with a diode. Then signal is then passed through a 120 hertz filter. The filter consists of one resistor and one capacitor. It a cheep method that works. The cell phone adapter picked up and echo from the automotive speaker. I managed to solve this problem by splitting the phase of the stereo car speakers and putting the mike at the center-line of the car. I discovered a mike that picked up on a close spherical wave and rejected distant plain waves. It used a reversed wave dispersion effect through a small hole. A circular wave went in and a plane wave came out. Pretty neat microphone design. The combination worked the echo was eliminated passively even when the car radio was turned up loud. One manufacturer told me that passive echo elimination was unique, however, no one wanted a wired cell phone adapter. There was no market. I did learn about wave dispersion. Everyone wants to know about the latest sports score. I can't tell them. I have accumulated a lot of useless knowledge that no one wants. The only one who is interested is Jones. Frank
[Vo]:Small business attempts
I voted for Obama and I listened to what he said. He said to start a small business and hire someone. Its the thing to do after you have retired. I have tried. Cold fusion proved to be to hard of a nut for me to crack and I backed off. I next built a cell phone adapter for older cars. I was cheep,worked well, and could possibly save lifes. It was the kind of product that Obama ordered. I built and tested it. A video is below. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/blog/blog.html Heath Kit almost took it as a kit. Too bad they went bankrupt. The product worked but failed in the marketplace. Consumer products are too cheep for home manufacture. I could not make the device by myself for $9 and sell it. No large manufacturer wanted it. Darn! Next I tried a mining relay. It detected the condition of an open ground wire. Joy Loader invited me to their office and I presented a dog a pony show. Companies will let you in if you have something. Once again my timing was not right and the coal industry had other priorities. The detector they had was good enough. I was 20 years to late with this product. I have no video of this. Next I wrote books; one in physics, one in electronics, and one in computer science. These products are out but they only generate $40 per month. They are not a commercial success. I thank you amazon and the many other who have helped me. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22&rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22 Now I am into recyclable bottle detectors. I have a technical problem. Dear President Obama. It is not easy to start a small business in today's environment. Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find
Here is video of the detector in operation. they are ready at the dump. I am not, as I had promised, ready. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticDetect.mp4 -Original Message- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 9:49 am Subject: [Vo]:Plastic detector find I am still working on my plastic detector. It can't discriminate between #1 and #5 plastic. The #5 plastic produces a rainbow of colors when placed between two linear polarizes. The #1 does not. #1 randomizes the polarization and the light path and becomes clear. The effect is dramatic. I assumed that the colors in #5 came from a rotation of the angle of polarization with frequency. I tried a circular polarizer. It did not, as I had hoped, produce a detectable affect of this rotation. #5 still passes a lot of light in a rainbow of colors. All of the colors go through so that a color cap does not work. Bottles at the dump are a little dirty so that I need a robust detection technique. I need a rainbow of colors detector. I am now stuck. Where to the colors come from? Maybe I am wrong about the rotation of the angle of polarization with frequency. I learned something useful for cold fusion. The #2 milk bottle plastic passes terahertz radiation freely. I used my motion detector light as a sensor for terahertz radiation. #2 will work as terahertz window in cold fusion experiments. Frank Z
[Vo]:Plastic detector find
I am still working on my plastic detector. It can't discriminate between #1 and #5 plastic. The #5 plastic produces a rainbow of colors when placed between two linear polarizes. The #1 does not. #1 randomizes the polarization and the light path and becomes clear. The effect is dramatic. I assumed that the colors in #5 came from a rotation of the angle of polarization with frequency. I tried a circular polarizer. It did not, as I had hoped, produce a detectable affect of this rotation. #5 still passes a lot of light in a rainbow of colors. All of the colors go through so that a color cap does not work. Bottles at the dump are a little dirty so that I need a robust detection technique. I need a rainbow of colors detector. I am now stuck. Where to the colors come from? Maybe I am wrong about the rotation of the angle of polarization with frequency. I learned something useful for cold fusion. The #2 milk bottle plastic passes terahertz radiation freely. I used my motion detector light as a sensor for terahertz radiation. #2 will work as terahertz window in cold fusion experiments. Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
I was at a Sheetz gas station and a woman approached me. She said she was in the military and trying to get back to base. Someone stole her purse. She had a check but they would not cash locally; it was good. Would I cash it for her? If I had an account in a local bank it would be no problem to cash. It was for $300. I gave her $5 in cash. I told her to put the money in gas and drive to Wal Mart. It was 8 miles away. I gave her instructions. They were easy. She had a cell phone. From there she could call her husband and he could wire her money. She said he was not near a Wall Mart. I assured her that everyone in the US is within 20 miles of a Wall Mart. Call someone and have the have the money sent from another Wall Mart. It will come right away. I drove past the gas station 1 hour later and she was there still asking for gas money. Frank -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here? Craig wrote: I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The process took over an hour of my time, and the receiver didn't receive the money for serveral hours. That's not good. At Bank of America you can do it on line. If you have the info. about the other party it only takes five minutes. I don't know how long it takes the money to get there. I recall they charge a lot for overseas transactions. There is a way to do it with PayPal but I have never used it. It is a pain in the butt sending money to Japan. Europe is easy. - Jed
[Vo]:Plastic detector progress video
If I can't solve the world's energy problems perhaps I can help manage its waste. Progress report on #1 plastic detector. Video linked below type mp4 5 MB. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticDetect.mp4 Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:test for greek letters
The one that is giving me trouble is phi a circle with a line though it. This is what Greek has: φ Φ They are not quite right. Here it is in symbol font. Φ Frank
Re: [Vo]:test for greek letters
Thanks H Veeder. These characters do text in Kindle while the font symbol does not. I updated my e book with these symbols and removed words like omega. Frank θ ω ε ρ τ ψ υ ι ο π α σ δ φ γ η ς κ λ ζ χ ξ ω β ν μ Θ Ω Ε Ρ Τ Ψ Υ Ι Ο Π Α Σ Δ Φ Γ Η ς Κ Λ Ζ Χ Ξ Ω Β Ν Μ Harry
Re: [Vo]:test for greek letters
This has been an enigma for me. There are Greek letters in the font symbol and just plain Greek letters. I could never quite figure out what the difference is. Kindle does not text symbol characters. That's been a problem. I will try these. Frank
Re: [Vo]:tentative evidence that a coulomb field propagates rigidly
I produced something like that from my model. My model taken to the extreme states that electrons are rigid. One of my theorems is, "Electrons do not bounce." They cannot bounce their energy away and all wind up in the lowest energy state. This is the root cause of Fermi statistics. The quantum behavior of the electron can be explained by this interaction. They interact through a process of elastic failure. Elastic failure is a classical property. Electrons don't bounce and interact through a process of elastic failure; sort of like a thrown egg. Impedance matched systems do not bounce. Electrons propagate through channels of matching impedance. The quantification of the velocity of the process (1,094,000 meters per second) produced the quantum condition. That's what I got out of cold fusion. Frank Z
[Vo]:Wrote a song form cold fusion. 11 MB type wmv
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temporary/Quack.wmv Frank Z
[Vo]:#1 plastic, Beene, and cold fusion
I am still working at plastic bottle detection. I have found that #1 soda bottle plastic has a strong resonance at tera hertz frequencies. J. Beene stated that this was useful. Another nice property is that #1 plastic is transparent to optical light. #1 plastic is not good at letting in hydrogen. that's not useful Frank
Fwd: [Vo]:Need suggestions on plastic detection
I don't have any poloriod. If you do, please look at the plastic transmission through poloroid let me know what happens. How do the plastics react to poloroid light? Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Need suggestions on plastic detection
Thank you Axil. We only want to do plastic bottles. There is a company that does this in the mid IR but I believe crushed up dirty bottles may confuse it. The ratio to mid IR to blue light is really profound with the #1 soda bottles and the #2 milk bottles. I was surprised how well those cloudy milk bottles transmitted mid IR. The detectors are used in motion detection and optical light and are realty available. I should be able to get this ratio method to work. I am still miffed by the #3,4, and 5 bottles. Frank
[Vo]:Need suggestions on plastic detection
I am working with my friend Howard Walker. He is in the junk plastic business. The plastic bottles are worth 12 cents a pound in bulk. If separated into 1,2,3,4 and 5 the plastic is worth 24 cents a pound. I found that #1 the clear coke bottle plastic if opaque to mid infrared. I blocks a security lights thermal sensor. It transmits visible light. This was a good find as these bottles are worth the most separated. A ratio detector should work well. I found #2 milk bottle plastic is opaque to a blue LED light. The mid infrared goes right through it. A ratio detector should work well. I have found no detection method for #5 semi clear plastic. All light goes through it. Darn! It does, however, scatter a red laser. I am not sure it this effect can be employed. They are all transparent to a UV black light. I did not expect this! The bottles are all smashed up and the detection technique must be robust. We will use a transmission test to avoid the labels. No transmission because of a label is not a condition. They are all transparent to near IR when I check it with my video camera and a TV remote. Too bad. any ideas? Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:got a good review
He could not put the book down. What would you expect, is it not a book about antigravity? http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1YHIGP67NX9UO/ref=cm_cr_pr_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR
I don't know if anyone is now interested in this. Its old stuff. If you watch Walter Lewin at MIT Academic Earth he says often the the magnetic force is non-conservative. Energy and momentum are conserved in equations. No one ever wrote an equation that conserves magnetic flux. This just goes without saying. I, however, say it loudly in my published works. The only things that are not conserved are inertial mass and magnetic flux. They are related as magnetic fields carries the inertial mass of moving stuff. Electrical engineers employ soft iron to increase the magnetic force. Soft iron increase the flux produced by a coil by a factor of about 10,000. I found the soft iron equivalent for the other forces. Its a vibrating Bose condensate. Frank -Original Message- From: Chris Zell To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 3:30 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR What where did this emergent inductance come from? More magnetism that came from nothing. I was upset, this would make the test harder. Magnetism is not a conserved force. Somethings it springs out of nowhere. This is a general property of all of the magnetic force s. The above interests me but are there any specifics on this, especially published papers?
Fwd: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR
I have had a different experience than a nuclear engineer. When I was just out of high school I was building unlicensed radio transmitters. I had an old radio with a tuning eye. I had one transmitter that when I turned it all the radio's eye wrapped twice around. I got scared and gave it up. Who knows how much power I was putting out from that large tube. My did would be mad if I got arrested! Skip ahead a few years and there I was in college sitting in Richard Bender's electronics class. He was going over the air core transformer. I was interested. I had made these things for my radio transmitter. Richard said, The inductance = the inductance of the primary + the inductance of the secondary + a third mutual inductance. What where did this emergent inductance come from? More magnetism that came from nothing. I was upset, this would make the test harder. Magnetism is not a conserved force. Somethings it springs out of nowhere. This is a general property of all of the magnetic forces. Much later in life I realized that it was also a property of the nuclear magnetic spin orbit force. The mutual nuclear magnetic force can be, under the right conditions be 10 exp 39 power greater than the normal spin orbit force. The same property applies to the gravitomangetic force. I started picking up on this after speaking with David Noever. Nuclear physicists would say that the range of the spin orbit force is only that of the strong force. In an electrical conductor the static electrical forces balance. There is no static electrical force emerging from the conductor. Yet there it is, on its own, a strong magnetic field. The same applies to the spin orbit force. It range is an affect of the construction of the conductor. It this case its a proton conductor not an electron conductor. Frank
Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR
Thank you Fran. Theories such as Storm's theory of cracks and Widdom Larson's theory are based on conventional thinking applied under an extreme condition. These theories consider only the static Coulombic force and the static strong nuclear force. Even mills with his exotic hydrions considers only the static forces. As in the battle between Kann and Kirk; Kirk defeated Kann by his three dimensional thinking. There is another force at work in the nucleus. They cannot account for the lack of high energy emissions. I am an electric engineer. The only thing I have ever done with the static electric field is to rub a balloon on my head and stick to to the wall. I have, however, worked extensively with the dynamic magnetic component of the electrical field. This is second nature for an electrical engineer. There is a dynamic magnetic component of the nuclear force. Its called the spin orbit force. Like the electro-magnetic force; it is not conserved and can increase without bound. It tends to flip nucleons and induce a beta decay. How do we make it stronger? Vibrate a Bose condensate. In my language, "The Constants of the Motion Tend Toward the Electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is Vibrated at a Dimensional Frequency of 1.094 megahertz meters". The motion constants are related to motion. Motion is carried by the magnetic components of the static force fields. Why that speed? When the velocity of nuclear cluster equals the velocity of sound in the nucleus and impedance matched condition emerges. This is the condition of the quantum jump. The quantum condition of the atom emerged from an analysis of this speed. An extrapolation produced low level nuclear reactions. I believe that is a big story and that it goes way beyond cold fusion. It has produced the quantum condition as a subset of the Newtonian mechanics and it shows how to classically control all of the natural forces. The solutions are simple and require only the simple harmonic motion of advanced high school physics. Frank Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 12:17 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR Frank.. Re your extrapolation [snip] extrapolate and get:The technology of antigravity and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions. [/snip] I not only agree but I think it is antigravity that will finally break the back of skepticism regarding LENR.. Like you I followed with interest the claims ofEugene Podkletnov and played with meisner effect in the environmental lab at work trying to use some liquid nitrogen and a bulk magnetic eraser to tickle the effect out of my very amateur experiment.. I think the effect in LENR will require motion to detect the gravitational effect but once a compact mobile method of LENR becomes available it will soon be discovered there are also anomalous inertial effects involved…like we see radioactive decay rate anomalies it is a temporal effect, presently these reactors are large and stationary but I predict a portable reactor placed running on one side of a balance beam will significantly slow down the reaction to changes in weight on the opposite arm of the balance as opposed to changes in weight when the reactor is turned off. The gas becomes relativistic due to the casimir geometry and it will present additional opposition beyond 3d to the normal inertia of the bulk powder or catalyst. IMHO this opposition will be 90 degrees from any spatial vector and simply slow the normal inertia like a flywheel but without a spatial bias. Fran From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:29 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like. My Constants of the Motion theory told of this in 1998, Now factor in the size and get the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear Society in 2000. That's a long time ago. What is the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second? Its the velocity of sound in the nucleus. What happens when you set this velocity = the velocity of light in the electronic structure. Your get: The energy levels of all of the atoms. The intensity of spectral emission. The enegy and the frequency of the photon The S,P,D, and F orbits. A possible unification of quantum physics and Spec Rel. The deBroglie wave. extrapolate and get: The technology of antigravity and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions. Its all in my very cheep paperback,"Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity" Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:53 am Subject: Re: [
Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR
Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like. My Constants of the Motion theory told of this in 1998, Now factor in the size and get the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear Society in 2000. That's a long time ago. What is the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second? Its the velocity of sound in the nucleus. What happens when you set this velocity = the velocity of light in the electronic structure. Your get: The energy levels of all of the atoms. The intensity of spectral emission. The enegy and the frequency of the photon The S,P,D, and F orbits. A possible unification of quantum physics and Spec Rel. The deBroglie wave. extrapolate and get: The technology of antigravity and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions. Its all in my very cheep paperback,"Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity" Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:53 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR "a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz" Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like. My Constants of the Motion theory told of this in 1998, Now add the size and get the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear Society in 2000. That's a long time ago. http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/787504 Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:44 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR From:Ron Kita I can only read about 5% of Vortex LENR postsbut I saw this Feb 2013 website with a quote on Dennis Bushnell citing that a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz is needed toinitate the LENR reaction: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/149090-nasas-cold-fusion-tech-could-put-a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-home-car-and-plane Hi Ron, Thanks for posting this.It confirms what we have been talking about in related threads about theconnection between intense THz and the SPP as the active modality. In the HotCat – it appearsthat Rossi has elegantly solved the problem of how to get coherent radiation inthis spectrum (where lasers are simply not available) by using a monochromaticemitter of FIR (far infrared), and then merely applying resistance heat to thatemitter. Once the emitter comes up to temperature, the energy needed to maintainit drops by a large factor – thus providing control. That temperature isnear the runaway temp- so added control is needed. Maybe I am giving Rossimore credit than he is due.
Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR
"a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz" Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like. My Constants of the Motion theory told of this in 1998, Now add the size and get the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear Society in 2000. That's a long time ago. http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/787504 Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:44 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR From:Ron Kita I can only read about 5% of Vortex LENR postsbut I saw this Feb 2013 website with a quote on Dennis Bushnell citing that a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz is needed toinitate the LENR reaction: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/149090-nasas-cold-fusion-tech-could-put-a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-home-car-and-plane Hi Ron, Thanks for posting this.It confirms what we have been talking about in related threads about theconnection between intense THz and the SPP as the active modality. In the HotCat – it appearsthat Rossi has elegantly solved the problem of how to get coherent radiation inthis spectrum (where lasers are simply not available) by using a monochromaticemitter of FIR (far infrared), and then merely applying resistance heat to thatemitter. Once the emitter comes up to temperature, the energy needed to maintainit drops by a large factor – thus providing control. That temperature isnear the runaway temp- so added control is needed. Maybe I am giving Rossimore credit than he is due.
Re: [Vo]:"energy driven superconductivity" and IR coherence for LENR
The inside of a carbonnanotube would seem to favor a single line of dense hydrogen. Low level nuclear reactions work with atomic hydrogen. Atomic hydrogen is stored in a proton conductor. Carbon nano-tubes store molecular hydrogen. Frank -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 2:12 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:"energy driven superconductivity" and IR coherence for LENR Very interesting Kevin. This could be especiallyrelevant if the tubes in question are shown to be a composite, made withgraphite fibers, or CNT. The inside of a carbonnanotube would seem to favor a single line of dense hydrogen. The hydrogen may technicallynot need to be 1-D so much as to have an extreme ratio of length to diameter. From:Kevin O'Malley ***I have a theory to propose. It could be a onedimensional BEC rather than 3 dimensional. By that, I mean that there's aBEC forming along a single line of atoms (1dimensional), not along a plane(2dimensional) nor in a cube (3dimensional). So it's a partial BEC.
Re: [Vo]:Reply to Frank Zindarsik
Oh I was not there.
Re: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3
Also the hydrino reaction is much more energetic ( 200x). So then where are the X-rays? -Original Message- From: P.J van Noorden To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3 Frank, You say that Mill`s device is a million times hotter than fire. That is not correct: The powerdensity of the hydrino reaction is 1 million times higher that that of gasoline combusion mainly due to the rate of hydrino transition compared to the rate of gasoiline combustion ( 5000 times higher) So per second many more reactions can take place then during gasolibe combustion. Also the hydrino reaction is much more energetic ( 200x). The hydrinotransition can cause significant Balmerline broadening ( 50 eV). The electrodes can hold that kind of temperature, when adequately cooled. Peter v Noorden - Original Message - From: fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3 Hydrinos, shmeamos.Jones is on the right track with his energy coherence. Exaggerated claims do not attract me. Mill's device is a million times hotter than fire! That would place the temp at 3 billion degrees. That would be hotter than a Tokamak. I uses very hot hydrodynamics. What does he make the electrodes out of, neutronium! That's a claim in itself.An what about all of those hydrinos, where do they go? What about all of the x-rays from the an inner election reactions. Why is he not dead? Reminds me of many older inventors who have failed. Henry Moray for example. Not only did his device produce energy but it could detected the faintest radio signals. In today's world of satellite communications such a claim is truly dated. Chankov, not only did his technology produce energy but he cold make strong ingredients through a process infinite dilution. Frank Z -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell To: vortex-l ; cmns Sent: Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:53 pm Subject: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3 This chapter is dedicated to Jones, others are welcome as well. Please read: http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation.pdf http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/GEN3_Harvard.pdf In the Technical Presentation, read pp. 2-3, and 23-31 [but anything else that suits your fancy]. The first two pages of the Technical Presentation is a terse summary of GUTCP. Page 23 is a listing of methods identifying hydrinos. The following pages discuss the conditions wherein H can act as a catalyst. The potential energy of an isolated H atom is 13.6 eV. The energy of the catalyst must be m(27.2] eV. Such can be supplied by many arrangements, including 2H.2H > H{1/4] + 2H + 24 eV. Because this is a three-body reaction, it is seen only where here is a high concentration of H atoms [such as at the cathode of in electrolytic cell in the apparatus on p.30. [I speculate that H > [h[1/4] catalysis may be a source of ‘excess heat’ in CF electrolytic cell experiments. This is my conjecture.] The cited pages above contain the core of the CIHT chemistry. The apparatus illustrated on p.30 was built by BLP, but the reported study and the spectrum of p.31 came from a study sponsored by GEN3 Partners at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. None were employees of LP. An intense beam of protons is illuminated by an intense bam of electrons, which combine to form a cloud hydrogen atoms in which many interactions can occur. The light from these reactions is in the low nanometer range of soft X-rays. The spectrum is recorded by a vacuuc spectrometer. No continuum spectrum was produced by helium. The six ‘Validation’ reports on the website deserve respectful attention. Although on-site and coached by Mills, the ‘validators’ built he cells themselves and conducted tests with instruments whose calibrations are traceable to NIST. The reports and resumes are on the .website. Over the years experiments by Dr. Conrads in Germany, and Dr. Jonathan Phillips, U. New Mexico, have done supporting experiments. One of the six ‘validaors’, ENSER corporation, went on to off-site, independent validation of the CIHT cell operation. Their new report is on the BLP website. “Independent verification” is a gold standard. Over the years several groups have ‘tested’ Mills’ claims. However, they did not *duplicated*the instruments or protocols, effectively doing *another* non-Mills experiment. Mike Carrell
Re: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3
Hydrinos, shmeamos. Jones is on the right track with his energy coherence. Exaggerated claims do not attract me. Mill's device is a million times hotter than fire! That would place the temp at 3 billion degrees. That would be hotter than a Tokamak. I uses very hot hydrodynamics. What does he make the electrodes out of, neutronium! That's a claim in itself. An what about all of those hydrinos, where do they go? What about all of the x-rays from the an inner election reactions. Why is he not dead? Reminds me of many older inventors who have failed. Henry Moray for example. Not only did his device produce energy but it could detected the faintest radio signals. In today's world of satellite communications such a claim is truly dated. Chankov, not only did his technology produce energy but he cold make strong ingredients through a process infinite dilution. Frank Z -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell To: vortex-l ; cmns Sent: Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:53 pm Subject: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3 This chapter is dedicated to Jones, others are welcome as well. Please read: http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation.pdf http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/GEN3_Harvard.pdf In the Technical Presentation, read pp. 2-3, and 23-31 [but anything else that suits your fancy]. The first two pages of the Technical Presentation is a terse summary of GUTCP. Page 23 is a listing of methods identifying hydrinos. The following pages discuss the conditions wherein H can act as a catalyst. The potential energy of an isolated H atom is 13.6 eV. The energy of the catalyst must be m(27.2] eV. Such can be supplied by many arrangements, including 2H.2H > H{1/4] + 2H + 24 eV. Because this is a three-body reaction, it is seen only where here is a high concentration of H atoms [such as at the cathode of in electrolytic cell in the apparatus on p.30. [I speculate that H > [h[1/4] catalysis may be a source of ‘excess heat’ in CF electrolytic cell experiments. This is my conjecture.] The cited pages above contain the core of the CIHT chemistry. The apparatus illustrated on p.30 was built by BLP, but the reported study and the spectrum of p.31 came from a study sponsored by GEN3 Partners at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. None were employees of LP. An intense beam of protons is illuminated by an intense bam of electrons, which combine to form a cloud hydrogen atoms in which many interactions can occur. The light from these reactions is in the low nanometer range of soft X-rays. The spectrum is recorded by a vacuuc spectrometer. No continuum spectrum was produced by helium. The six ‘Validation’ reports on the website deserve respectful attention. Although on-site and coached by Mills, the ‘validators’ built he cells themselves and conducted tests with instruments whose calibrations are traceable to NIST. The reports and resumes are on the .website. Over the years experiments by Dr. Conrads in Germany, and Dr. Jonathan Phillips, U. New Mexico, have done supporting experiments. One of the six ‘validaors’, ENSER corporation, went on to off-site, independent validation of the CIHT cell operation. Their new report is on the BLP website. “Independent verification” is a gold standard. Over the years several groups have ‘tested’ Mills’ claims. However, they did not *duplicated*the instruments or protocols, effectively doing *another* non-Mills experiment. Mike Carrell
Re: [Vo]:MHD- from Russia with Love...
Very interesting. Can such a device convert terahertz radiation into DC power? -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2014 10:31 am Subject: [Vo]:MHD- from Russia with Love... Speaking of "intentional deception" in a patent application ... (which BTW voids that patent application if it can be proved - and is not tolerated by USPTO) there is the issue of MHD. Any patent or claim that proposes to convert heat into electricity based on MHD is probably nothing but hot air, unless... they have benefitted from the Russian connection (to be explained). It has been a dozen years since this first came up, but now, it is all starting to makes sense. (unless, of course, the following explanation is giving BLP more credit than they deserve). Any direct conversion feature (heat into electricity) would be highly unlikely without the Russian resource, since there is no commercially available hardware in the USA to accomplish the task. Literally billions of dollars were been spent over the past 50 years trying to adapt MHD conversion to coal and natural gas as the first stage of a compound system with steam second. NASA and DoE both failed. The technical challenges are overwhelming. In fact, the only place where commercial MHD was placed into actual service was Russia. Japan may have licensed the tech from Russia. This comes to mind now, since there was indeed a type of direct conversion device which is similar to MHD and was the primary part of an earlier BLP effort known the "reverse gyrotron". To become an informed observer on this demo next week, one can best understand the present situation with bit of history - and with an appreciation of "Cuccia coupling". (short summary: Cuccia coupling is the only known way to convert UV, which is where the hydrino energy originates, into electron acceleration and it is done via microwave as the coupling agent). Once UV is absorbed, the hot electrons are separated by vector alteration and collected on an electrode, just as if we were dealing with a high powered triode. OK - This device may not be part of the upcoming demo, since Mills has lowered expectations to almost zero - but to my thinking in the historical context, it would be the one detail which would not only make this demo into something extremely important, but also clarify what is going on. An associate who followed BLP closely before he died - related that years ago (circa 2002) when Mills failed to adapt a gyrotron successfully in his first version, the Russian group below contacted BLP with a working model of a device that could do it, but Mills' ego was such that he rebuffed them. Perhaps he had a change of heart - and now, a decade later - we see the results. I see one of the Russian papers is still up. Pictures of the working model gyrotron are shown. Maybe BLP came to its senses and is now working with whatever capitalist company in the "New Russia" took over this technology. Or maybe BLP was waiting on their patent to expire, who knows? http://jre.cplire.ru/jre/sep99/1/text.html It is possible that Mills has adapted a Russian gyrotron device to do this. Otherwise, the chances that a home-grown MHD system is being used for direct conversion seem slim-to-none, due to the extreme technical challenge. Even Mills does not have the financial resource for that. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Triple Coherency
No have seen pictures of Alkena the beautiful alien on the internet. I would like to meet her. Does that nullify my "aliens farting through a wormhole induced by coherent EMF" theory of cold fusion? -Original Message- From: torulf.greek To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Triple Coherency Some similarity to Hagelsteins theory. No photons but a nuclear state, phonons and a nuclear dump state. On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:41:28 -0500, ChemE Stewart wrote: Does that nullify my "aliens farting through a wormhole induced by coherent EMF" theory of cold fusion? On Sunday, January 19, 2014, Jones Beene wrote: Thanks Frank … and BTW – for those not familiar with Frank’s observations … it should be mentioned, even though he did not, that this parameter space seems to be consistent (or within a close range) with “megahertz-meter” … no? From: fznidar...@aol.com Brilliant work Jones. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene About 7 years ago here on Vortex - before the plasmon/polariton technology was being spread around cyberspace as being particularly relevant to some types of LENR (by NASA no less)- and long before the Rossi HotCat, we raised a relevant issue called "triple coherency". Basically, the question was posed: What would happens if one can engineer a constant and coherent flux of three different forms of mass/energy within a closed reactor: 1) photons 2) electrons (local AC) 3) phonons And moreover would a "new kind of condensate" emerge? A 'new kind of condensate' means a macro-state in which we are not restricted by bosons or by near zero Kelvin temperatures, but are considering the next larger plateau of interlocking geometries, which are conjoined by abnormal but coherent energy dynamics at a higher level. It is misleading to refer to this as a BEC. Forcing all three parameters into some kind of mutual coherency (or superradiance) would be limited by several factors, mostly by the geometric excursion possibilities of the heaviest (densest) component: phonons.
Re: [Vo]:Triple Coherency
Yes, when the group velocity of the dissolved protons = 1 million meters per second magic happens. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 1:34 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Triple Coherency Thanks Frank … and BTW– for those not familiar with Frank’s observations … itshould be mentioned, even though he did not, that this parameter space seems tobe consistent (or within a close range) with “megahertz-meter” …no? From:fznidar...@aol.com Brilliantwork Jones. -OriginalMessage- From: Jones Beene About 7 years ago here on Vortex - beforethe plasmon/polariton technology was being spread around cyberspace as being particularly relevant to some types of LENR (by NASA no less)- and long before the Rossi HotCat, we raised a relevant issue called "triple coherency". Basically, the question was posed: What would happens if one can engineer a constant and coherent flux of three different forms of mass/energy within a closed reactor: 1) photons 2) electrons (local AC) 3) phonons And moreover would a "new kind of condensate" emerge? A 'new kind of condensate' means a macro-state in which we are not restricted by bosons or by near zero Kelvin temperatures, but are considering the next larger plateau of interlocking geometries, which are conjoined by abnormal but coherent energy dynamics at a higher level. It is misleading to refer to this as a BEC. Forcing all three parameters into some kind of mutual coherency (or superradiance) would be limited by several factors, mostly by the geometric excursion possibilities of the heaviest (densest) component: phonons. Therefore this kind of triple-coherency could probably only happen in the IR (far infrared or FIR) spectrum, since melting or easy deformation of the lattice structure would be expected at anything over about 1000C. This state of dynamic triple-coherency, which is happening well above the cryogenic range of the BEC, could be a 'sine qua non' of one very special form of LENR - the Rossi effect. BTW - we call this technology "nickel-hydrogen", but the lattice can be composed of other transition metals or alloys, besides nickel. I mention that to counter one of Mills remarks that his reaction is not like Rossi's because he does not need nickel per se. Nickel happens to have the needed lattice (phonon and magnetic) properties at a relatively low price, but the Rossi effect can probably happen without it. Anyway, looking back on this flash of insight (triple coherency) now, it seems pretty clear that the hypothesis fits quite well with the idea of surface plasmons being stimulated by IR in the range seen in the HotCat which seems to involve geometry of 5-30 microns for the phonon or exciton, and with a corresponding electron "hole" of a similar dimension, and 3-30 THz for the photon and the plasmon, around which we find a local AC field. Therefore, to put an actual value on the key variable which is to be made coherent - we could start with something like 27 THz as the desired frequency. Check out the extremely sharp peak here between 10.5 and 11 microns. This is why the HotCat is using SiC. http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9903031.pdf Jones
Re: [Vo]:Triple Coherency
Brilliant work Jones. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:47 am Subject: [Vo]:Triple Coherency About 7 years ago here on Vortex - before the plasmon/polariton technology was being spread around cyberspace as being particularly relevant to some types of LENR (by NASA no less)- and long before the Rossi HotCat, we raised a relevant issue called "triple coherency". Basically, the question was posed: What would happens if one can engineer a constant and coherent flux of three different forms of mass/energy within a closed reactor: 1) photons 2) electrons (local AC) 3) phonons And moreover would a "new kind of condensate" emerge? A 'new kind of condensate' means a macro-state in which we are not restricted by bosons or by near zero Kelvin temperatures, but are considering the next larger plateau of interlocking geometries, which are conjoined by abnormal but coherent energy dynamics at a higher level. It is misleading to refer to this as a BEC. Forcing all three parameters into some kind of mutual coherency (or superradiance) would be limited by several factors, mostly by the geometric excursion possibilities of the heaviest (densest) component: phonons. Therefore this kind of triple-coherency could probably only happen in the IR (far infrared or FIR) spectrum, since melting or easy deformation of the lattice structure would be expected at anything over about 1000C. This state of dynamic triple-coherency, which is happening well above the cryogenic range of the BEC, could be a 'sine qua non' of one very special form of LENR - the Rossi effect. BTW - we call this technology "nickel-hydrogen", but the lattice can be composed of other transition metals or alloys, besides nickel. I mention that to counter one of Mills remarks that his reaction is not like Rossi's because he does not need nickel per se. Nickel happens to have the needed lattice (phonon and magnetic) properties at a relatively low price, but the Rossi effect can probably happen without it. Anyway, looking back on this flash of insight (triple coherency) now, it seems pretty clear that the hypothesis fits quite well with the idea of surface plasmons being stimulated by IR in the range seen in the HotCat which seems to involve geometry of 5-30 microns for the phonon or exciton, and with a corresponding electron "hole" of a similar dimension, and 3-30 THz for the photon and the plasmon, around which we find a local AC field. Therefore, to put an actual value on the key variable which is to be made coherent - we could start with something like 27 THz as the desired frequency. Check out the extremely sharp peak here between 10.5 and 11 microns. This is why the HotCat is using SiC. http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9903031.pdf Jones
[Vo]:ball lightning
http://phys.org/news/2014-01-instance-ball-lightning-captured-video.html#ajTabs
[Vo]:Jed you could do this.
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Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement
If they put 1,200 amps in at lets say 100 volts that is 120 KW. Its is an electrical fault. I seen this action and yes it will explode. There device is not sold state. LENR is a sold state reaction. I am not convinced. -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha To: CMNS Cc: VORTEX Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement 1) This part: 10 billion watts/10,000 of a liter = 1MW 2)This part: "The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma," Suppose it a video that has a less than 1us per frame, in spikes. So, they are claiming 1 or less joule for a few some spikes. That might be even an error or measurement... 2014/1/14 Peter Gluck This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CMNS" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Re: get your cookie read
Thanks for the HI Frank on my web page monitoring system. I have added a short chapter to my book Computer Project. It tells how to put data after the question mark. A HTML form normally sends data to a Perl script after a question mark. This data can also be manually sent to the Perl program. The result is a a self reporting link. After reporting to a table the Script can redirect the browser any web page. You may have seen these kind of links before with the = singes after the question mark. Here is the one in do in my book example. Its sends the name index, the password blue, and the comment The Tribune to my blog. Then it redirects to display the blog. In my book I tell how to redirect it anywhere after extracting this info. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/zptblog.pl?name=index&password=blue&comment=The_Tribune&select=Link_and_Report I know that this stuff is a bit off topic but I learned it to present information a write books after the Journal Editors universally rejected my papers. Why not use it in another way and take their profit? I see vortex demo has already come on the table. You can change the name after the question mark to read something else if you would like to test it. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/ZeroPointTechnologies.pl?Vortex_Demo I may add a chapter to my Computer Project book to teach how to do this. The name after the ? mark will come up on the blog. http://www.amazon.com/COMPUTER-PROJECT-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B00HQ79JPC/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1389541701&sr=1-3&keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22 Frank -Original Message- Here is how the special link works. If you pick the link below it extracts the name after the ? mark. In this case it is Vortex_Demo. That name is presented on the table at the bottom of my web page. If I post a link to a blog I can then tell if anyone has picked the link. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/ZeroPointTechnologies.pl?Vortex_Demo Frank
[Vo]:Fwd: get your cookie read
I see vortex demo has already come on the table. You can change the name after the question mark to read something else if you would like to test it. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/ZeroPointTechnologies.pl?Vortex_Demo I may add a chapter to my Computer Project book to teach how to do this. The name after the ? mark will come up on the blog. http://www.amazon.com/COMPUTER-PROJECT-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B00HQ79JPC/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1389541701&sr=1-3&keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22 Frank -Original Message- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 10:29 am Subject: Fwd: get your cookie read Here is how the special link works. If you pick the link below it extracts the name after the ? mark. In this case it is Vortex_Demo. That name is presented on the table at the bottom of my web page. If I post a link to a blog I can then tell if anyone has picked the link. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/ZeroPointTechnologies.pl?Vortex_Demo Frank
[Vo]:Fwd: get your cookie read
Here is how the special link works. If you pick the link below it extracts the name after the ? mark. In this case it is Vortex_Demo. That name is presented on the table at the bottom of my web page. If I post a link to a blog I can then tell if anyone has picked the link. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/ZeroPointTechnologies.pl?Vortex_Demo Frank
[Vo]:Re: get your cookie read
I forgot. If you pick "change my name" and enter your name. It writes that name into a cookie within your browser. The next time you come in it reads the cookie and presents this name on the table. I guess the real people who do this stuff and NSA can tell much more. Frank -Original Message----- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 10:06 am Subject: get your cookie read At the bottom of my web page there is a table. The web page reads your browsers time zone and language and presents this info on a table. I can tell something about the readers. It then goes on to check what chapters they have read. This has been up for many years. It used to get the data messed up. I had some time and finally fixed the bug. The bug was in the Inner HTML method. I relapsed that method with a print table method. I also made a link that when someone picks it; it tells where the link came in from. It a link to a per script. I posted the link on a Guardian blog 8 years ago. Readers are still coming in from the the Guardian. It's amazing that they are coming in after all of that time. The Guardian has some reach. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/ Frank
[Vo]:get your cookie read
At the bottom of my web page there is a table. The web page reads your browsers time zone and language and presents this info on a table. I can tell something about the readers. It then goes on to check what chapters they have read. This has been up for many years. It used to get the data messed up. I had some time and finally fixed the bug. The bug was in the Inner HTML method. I relapsed that method with a print table method. I also made a link that when someone picks it; it tells where the link came in from. It a link to a per script. I posted the link on a Guardian blog 8 years ago. Readers are still coming in from the the Guardian. It's amazing that they are coming in after all of that time. The Guardian has some reach. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/ Frank
[Vo]:look how many I have now
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_gnr_aps?rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Afrank+znidarsic&keywords=frank+znidarsic&ie=UTF8&qid=1389109100 Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:Computer Project
I have read the file several more times and I believe that all of the errors are out. The cover is nice. I have released rev 0. http://www.amazon.com/COMPUTER-PROJECT-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B00HQ79JPC/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1389107308&sr=1-1&keywords=computer+project Frank Z
[Vo]:Predictions 2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/isaac-asimov-2014_n_4530785.html What do you see? Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins
I don't know Jed. The details are unknown to me. Why bother building such a thing? As the found out in WWI they are extremely vulnerable. Satellites are better and more secure. That is quite a long tether! I wonder what it is made of. That's good question also. Frank -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 7:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins wrote: They are building a giant drone Zepplin here in Johnstown. A zeppelin or a blimp? A zeppelin has internal structure. It will be tethered and fly at 20,000 feet. That is quite a long tether! I wonder what it is made of. - Jed
Fwd: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins
Maybe it will hold a death ray. Such a thing was predicted 75 years ago. -Original Message- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins They are building a giant drone Zepplin here in Johnstown. It will be tethered and fly at 20,000 feet. The other parts will be built in Texas. The technology is classified. What next? Frank -Original Message- From: Chris Zell To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 4:56 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins Saying "except for the explosion" is rather Pythonesque. Hopefully, they have enough helium.
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins
They are building a giant drone Zepplin here in Johnstown. It will be tethered and fly at 20,000 feet. The other parts will be built in Texas. The technology is classified. What next? Frank -Original Message- From: Chris Zell To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 4:56 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins Saying "except for the explosion" is rather Pythonesque. Hopefully, they have enough helium.
Re: [Vo]:Jan 2 to 4th free promotion "Electronics Project"
Made my first sale for 2014. I am happy with it. 1 Electronics Project B007OWFI3G101000 I also know how to solve the thermal stability problem in cold fusion. It leads to a more efficient initiation of the reaction. I have a provisional patent on the process. Someone you all know invited me out to his organization. He has a copy of the provisional patent. He wants to put me before the board. We shall see what 2014 brings.. Cold fusion is tough. Books are penny-auntie. Most of my concentration if focuesd on Debbie. I want her back, no body knows why. She is a mess, however, I cannot be happy without her. Frank -Original Message- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l ; rvargo1062 ; acgravity ; mldaisley ; pjgonwa ; stevek ; talwar ; TCVFRANK ; Tracey.Canary ; jeanurgolites Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2014 12:10 pm Subject: [Vo]:Jan 2 to 4th free promotion "Electronics Project" Jan 2 to 4th free promotion of "Electronic Project" http://www.amazon.com/Electronics-Project-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B007OWFI3G/ref=sr_1_cc_3?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1388595833&sr=1-3-catcorr&keywords=frank+znidarsic "Computer Project" will not be ready for at least 40 days. "Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity" sold 20 copes in Dec. Happy New Year to you all. Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:Jan 2 to 4th free promotion "Electronics Project"
Jan 2 to 4th free promotion of "Electronic Project" http://www.amazon.com/Electronics-Project-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B007OWFI3G/ref=sr_1_cc_3?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1388595833&sr=1-3-catcorr&keywords=frank+znidarsic "Computer Project" will not be ready for at least 40 days. "Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity" sold 20 copes in Dec. Happy New Year to you all. Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:my next project another book
I learned how to write books in order to bypass journal editors. Now, with this knowledge, I am writing books in other fields. I hope to sell a few. The introduction to my next book, of course, it is technical. Do you already know how to build client side HTML webpages? You have never built a dynamicXML web page and you have never written a server side Perl script. If you have a little computer experience andyou would like to quickly learn to program in XML and in Perl; this project is for you! Upon the completion of the project, you willhave built your own Blog. The project teaches you how to build a HTML table. This table transmits its data to a serverside Perl script. You will construct thePerl script that decodes the form data and saves in a file at the server. The Perl script then automatically constructsan XML data file. This XML fileencapsulates your data into a form that that can be displayed within your webpage. Finally, a Java Script within yourHTML web page decodes the XML file and embeds the data in a table. Many examples and explanations areprovided. This background information isdesigned to instruct and to give you a feel for programming techniques that arebeyond the scope of this project. The project requires that you have access to aweb hosting service that provides access to a CGI gateway and that allows forthe building of Perl scripts. Manyhosting services do this for a small fee. I use Angelfire. It costs about$5 a month and it has worked well for me.
[Vo]:Up to number 12 in global science book sales today
I am doing my share to help cold fusion. http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/digital-text/159789011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_kstore_1_6_last#1 Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:free Kindle book "Electrponics Project"
My book Electronics Project will be free on Kindle from the 2d to the 4th of Jan 2014. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22&rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22 enjoy Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:RE: More on the Kalman paper
The same will be true for the many math based quantum mechanical versions of reality. That is why LENR is so important. It can be used to select the proper mathematical interpretation of reality. I agree. I noted a velocity in cold fusion and gravitational experiments. 1,094,000 meters per second. I assumed it was the velocity of a longitudinal mechanical wave in the nucleus. When I set this velocity equal to the velocity of light in the electronic structure of the atom; the quantum condition emerged. Planck's constant emerged from this classical analysis. To date no one cares but I am sure that someday they will. Frank Z -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Sun, Dec 22, 2013 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: More on the Kalman paper On Dec 22, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil wrote: Extra dimensions are a way to make the math work in string theory. But no one is able or willing to make this math world match up with the real world. Math guys do not have very active imaginations. It took some time of Einstein's general equations to be mapped onto a valid view of the universe. For example, black holes are a projection of the math onto a physical reality that turned out to be real. I would say this differently, Axil. Black holes are a logical and necessary consequence of gravity interacting with mass-energy. The equations are only another way to describe this necessary event. The same will be true for the many math based quantum mechanical versions of reality. That is why LENR is so important. It can be used to select the proper mathematical interpretation of reality. I agree. Ed Storms On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote: On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Yes, if 4 don't work, try 5. If 5 fail, try 50. As they say, with enough variables, all data can be fit. It never occurs to these people that their basic model may be wrong. They just keep adding variables and complexity until all the points fall on a line. Ed Storms I always wanted to know what theoretical physicists have to say about that argument. I just saw in the swedish television a nice program that was a filosofical discussion about science in general, and that question came out. The feeling of the expert was that it was too much things that fell on place that they argue that the theory should be pretty much correct and that the theory predicted things that was shown correct. But then when I take my statistical and mathematical hat on I just see to much opportunity to add variables that are fitted in experiments and then the whole thing matches a theory of a certain order, that should by some expansion fit to a more conventional albeit perhaps a bit more nonlinear model. Then of cause the high dimensional theory would predict the right things if what is probed is for example the second order effects of the model. Another pet peeve of mine is the popular argument that because we live it must be true argument, which is fine if one also supply alternative arguments. As an example take the realization that if the physical constants was just a little of, then the universe would not allow us to live and because we live, the parameters are as they are assuming a multiverse. Another argument is that the model of all things have really fewer parameters and hence that the parameters really are dependant. But you never hear that possibility in the TV shows, which shows a good piece if overconfidence of what we have today. Cheers! /Stefan
Fwd: [Vo]:Maybe another book
My friend Howard who is in the garbage business wants to extract metals from acid mine drainage. I don't think it is economic. The DEP may require him to completely clean up the waste stream after partially cleaning it up while extracting metals. This is a non starter. Howard showed me something interesting. He get two types of plastic in the trash. HDPE milk bottle like plastic and XLP clear soda like bottle plastic. The waste stream is worth a lot more if he can automatically separate the two types of plastic. Now you see where my cold fusion effects have taken me; to the junk yard. Any ideas? Frank
Fwd: [Vo]:Maybe another book
Another interspersing story. I was doing some electrolytic cold fusion experiments. The anode dissolved and I got slop at the cathode. Not what I wanted. Where did my anode go? Was it was a useless sloppy mess.? A man approached me Howard. He wanted to extract metal from acid mine drainage. What was he going to make the anode from Gold, Platinum? I remember getting zapped while working on a concrete floor. Let's use concrete. It does not oxidize. It seems to work for now. Howard got slop at the cathode as expected. He tested the slop and found something interesting. Is it economic? The verdict is out. I hope this comes to something for Howard and I was glad to use my experience to help out. Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Maybe another book
Its me Frank Znidarsic. I learned a lot from my cold fusion hobby. The latest spin off was how to write Books for Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22&rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22 I also made a blog to help with the marketing of my book. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/zptblog.html These learned skills are transferable. Now I can build blogs and write books. Why not market the spin off skills? Sometimes is chasing something like cold fusion you learn other things that are of use in entirely other area. I have. Its good to have a hobby. It may take you another direction. Frank Z -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Maybe another book Who's There? On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 5:29 PM, wrote: I wrote a book on physics "Energy Cold Fusion and Antigravity". I wrote another on electronics. It was just a test book. "Electrons Project" build a hands free cell phone adapter. They are selling OK.. I am surprised the "Electronic Project" book sells better than the physics book. People want to build things. I made this blog from scratch. It took time and uses HTML dynamic XML and Perl server side scripts. It was a learning experience. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/blog.html I am thinking of write another short $1.00 book. It would be in the field of computer science. "Learn HTML XML and Perl while building your own blog". Most people know how to write client side HTML web pages but may be interested in writing a PERL server side script. It would be about 20 pages and explain the code for those who what to write dynamic XML and Perl server side server scripts. Their end product would be there own blog. The best selling book at amazon now is 500 Knock Knock jokes. I need something like this. what do you think? Frank Z
[Vo]:Maybe another book
I wrote a book on physics "Energy Cold Fusion and Antigravity". I wrote another on electronics. It was just a test book. "Electrons Project" build a hands free cell phone adapter. They are selling OK.. I am surprised the "Electronic Project" book sells better than the physics book. People want to build things. I made this blog from scratch. It took time and uses HTML dynamic XML and Perl server side scripts. It was a learning experience. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/blog.html I am thinking of write another short $1.00 book. It would be in the field of computer science. "Learn HTML XML and Perl while building your own blog". Most people know how to write client side HTML web pages but may be interested in writing a PERL server side script. It would be about 20 pages and explain the code for those who what to write dynamic XML and Perl server side server scripts. Their end product would be there own blog. The best selling book at amazon now is 500 Knock Knock jokes. I need something like this. what do you think? Frank Z
[Vo]:book blog
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[Vo]:book blog
I made a book blog by morphing the Tom Katz blog into a new blog. It took less then 1 hr because the code was already developed. If I get a lot of crazy and profane comments I will remove the blog. The book is selling OK so let's see what comes it. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/zptblog.html Frank
Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
What do you need to make a strong electromagnet? Just line up the electron spins. The electrons are already moving. What do you need to make a strong long range spin orbit force magnet. Line a the nuclear spins and get them moving. This is best done is a proton conductor. How fast to they have to go you say, 1.094,000 meters per second. Frank -Original Message- From: fznidarsic To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 9:05 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves In short, if you can't even get in the ball park of white dwarf matter in the lab, what chance in hell have you of even approaching muon catalysed reaction rates? Yes, No chance at all for any kind of fusion, especially with heavy metals. Forget about shrunken atoms, the heavy neutrons of the Larson Widom theory, and the like. They are all working with the strong force. It need high temps to work. In order to reactions working at low temperature you have to invoke another force the nuclear spin orbit force. It's the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force. Its called the spin orbit force and its not conserved. Its a long story that takes a book to describe. That's why I wrote one. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22&rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22 Frank Z