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Kim Y. wrote several papers on Bose Einstein Condensate, and one is rumored to be published in naturwissenschaften soon. You'll find them on lenr-canr.org Pierre C. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:55 AM, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.netwrote: Sounds more like a Bose Einstein Condensate to me.
Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca mounted the barricade and roared out: - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Date: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview Guys - Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna hypothesis. Atoms loosing their identity. That's as good an explanation as any I've heard! ;-) I think socio-political prejudices are everywhere, even in the language of physics. As I see it, under certain conditions atoms refuse to behave like rugged individualists. However, a rugged individual physicist might equate such cooperative behaviour with a loss of identity, but I see it as the expression of a shared identity. Harry And of course you'd never find herd mentality on this eList full of individualists, rugged or otherwise, would you now. - -- grok. - -- ** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *BOYCOTT BOURGEOIS* Get your news analysis * * MASS-MEDIA:* from the Best on the Web * Critical endorsement only Most sites need donations * http://www.africasia.com/newafrican The New African magazine * * http://www.livingroomradio.org Against the Grain * * http://liveradio.indymedia.org Worldwide IMC Radio Network * * http://www.fromthewilderness.com From The Wilderness * * http://www.sinclairaction.com SinclairAction * * http://www.freepress.org/index2.php The Free Press * *** Capitalism: Slums are more efficient when they're vertical *** GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknpvUYACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GFegCgmEPPokP1qVKCXuam9PLxvGPe BHAAnAzy92lu9iU3LvymCuBGsIGiE2HF =oaHh -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview
On Apr 17, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Jones Beene wrote: BTW - wasn't Frank Z or maybe Horace the first to suggest something akin to boson-like coherence, or did Chubb come in ahead of them with the quasi-BEC slant? Its been tossed around for a long time... My first posting on this here was January, 1996, shortly after Weiman and Cornell published their achievement: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BoseHyp.pdf Wave unction overlap is not a sufficient condition for fusion. Despite even being fully overlapped, large Bose wave functions do not of themselves produce fusion because the probability of finding two particles in proximity upon wave function collapse is small, much less in fact than random distribution within a wave function would imply. Multiple similarly charged particles particles are strongly co-located in mutually distant positions within the wave function. The main point of my posting was that co-location paradoxes result when multiple particles with diverse velocities are involved in a condensate, and one possible resolution of this is wave function collapse at a point, fusion. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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Horace Heffner wrote: Wave unction overlap . . . So not only do we speculate that particles join the Hare Chrishna cult, but we have them excessive but superficial compliments given with affected charm and smug self-serving earnestness. They are anthropomorphic little devils! - Jed
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On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: Wave unction overlap . . . So not only do we speculate that particles join the Hare Chrishna cult, but we have them excessive but superficial compliments given with affected charm and smug self-serving earnestness. They are anthropomorphic little devils! - Jed My mistake - I think in the final analysis the little devils will be found to be effected with strange rather than giving with affected charm. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview
The people at Energetics Technology put the video preview on their front page: http://superwavefusion.com/ This is one of the few groups of researchers in cold fusion who have a knack for public relations. Plus they know how to do a solid demonstration as well as a solid experiment. The two are not quite the same. They did a great job impressing Prof. Duncan! I told Tanya congratulations. I found something a little unexpected in the website. Click on the video here: http://superwavefusion.com/the-process/ It is a bla, bla, bla conventional explanation of cold fusion. Then at 1:10 (timestamp from the end of the video) it says the deuterons begin to move more collectively, like a school of fish and it gets interesting. I am not sure what this refers to. Perhaps the Chubb theory? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview
From Jed, The people at Energetics Technology put the video preview on their front page: http://superwavefusion.com/ This is one of the few groups of researchers in cold fusion who have a knack for public relations. Plus they know how to do a solid demonstration as well as a solid experiment. The two are not quite the same. They did a great job impressing Prof. Duncan! I told Tanya congratulations. I found something a little unexpected in the website. Click on the video here: http://superwavefusion.com/the-process/ It is a bla, bla, bla conventional explanation of cold fusion. Then at 1:10 (timestamp from the end of the video) it says the deuterons begin to move more collectively, like a school of fish and it gets interesting. I am not sure what this refers to. Perhaps the Chubb theory? I believe I've seen this video before, or at least a variation of it. What does Chubb's theory entail? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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OrionWorks wrote: It is a bla, bla, bla conventional explanation of cold fusion. Then at 1:10 (timestamp from the end of the video) it says the deuterons begin to move more collectively, like a school of fish and it gets interesting. I am not sure what this refers to. Perhaps the Chubb theory? I believe I've seen this video before, or at least a variation of it. What does Chubb's theory entail? Honestly, God only knows -- that level of physics is far over my head -- but it sounds a bit like a school of fish to me. It involves a bunch of deuterons with overlapping wave functions, which lose their identity and begin acting as one, sort of like people joining the Hare Krishna cult (or religion if it is tax deductible). The heat is dispersed over millions of deuterons instead of originating at a single location which is why it does not produce a sharp 24 MeV jolt in a single particle. For more information, see Scott Talbot Chubb's papers. - Jed
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Jed sez: What does Chubb's theory entail? Honestly, God only knows -- that level of physics is far over my head -- but it sounds a bit like a school of fish to me. It involves a bunch of deuterons with overlapping wave functions, which lose their identity and begin acting as one, sort of like people joining the Hare Krishna cult (or religion if it is tax deductible). The heat is dispersed over millions of deuterons instead of originating at a single location which is why it does not produce a sharp 24 MeV jolt in a single particle. For more information, see Scott Talbot Chubb's papers. - Jed Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna hypothesis. Atoms loosing their identity. That's as good an explanation as any I've heard! ;-) Thanks, Jed. Regards, Steven would-you-like-to-make-a-donation Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Actually I think this is what Frank Znidarsic has been trying to get at with his electromagnetic Bose condensate convergence of the motion constants ideas but he has a very opaque method of explanation. Ron --On Friday, April 17, 2009 3:49 PM -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: OrionWorks wrote: It is a bla, bla, bla conventional explanation of cold fusion. Then at 1:10 (timestamp from the end of the video) it says the deuterons begin to move more collectively, like a school of fish and it gets interesting. I am not sure what this refers to. Perhaps the Chubb theory? I believe I've seen this video before, or at least a variation of it. What does Chubb's theory entail? Honestly, God only knows -- that level of physics is far over my head -- but it sounds a bit like a school of fish to me. It involves a bunch of deuterons with overlapping wave functions, which lose their identity and begin acting as one, sort of like people joining the Hare Krishna cult (or religion if it is tax deductible). The heat is dispersed over millions of deuterons instead of originating at a single location which is why it does not produce a sharp 24 MeV jolt in a single particle. For more information, see Scott Talbot Chubb's papers. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview
Guys - Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna hypothesis. Atoms loosing their identity. That's as good an explanation as any I've heard! ;-) BTW - wasn't Frank Z or maybe Horace the first to suggest something akin to boson-like coherence, or did Chubb come in ahead of them with the quasi-BEC slant? Its been tossed around for a long time... Way before that - Robert Forward suggested really cold fusion - at cryogenic temps. We might as well give credit where credit is due... since 60 Minutes is getting hold of it - someone might actually start to give a damn. Jones
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OrionWorks wrote: Jed sez: What does Chubb's theory entail? It involves a bunch of deuterons with overlapping wave functions, which lose their identity and begin acting as one, sort of like For more information, see Scott Talbot Chubb's papers. Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna hypothesis. Atoms loosing their identity. That's as good an explanation as any I've heard! ;-) Sounds more like a Bose Einstein Condensate to me. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
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Not Robert Forward, Robert Carroll... Mark --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 2:34 PM Guys - Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna hypothesis. Atoms loosing their identity. That's as good an explanation as any I've heard! ;-) BTW - wasn't Frank Z or maybe Horace the first to suggest something akin to boson-like coherence, or did Chubb come in ahead of them with the quasi-BEC slant? Its been tossed around for a long time... Way before that - Robert Forward suggested really cold fusion - at cryogenic temps. We might as well give credit where credit is due... since 60 Minutes is getting hold of it - someone might actually start to give a damn. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Date: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview Guys - Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna hypothesis. Atoms loosing their identity. That's as good an explanation as any I've heard! ;-) I think socio-political prejudices are everywhere, even in the language of physics. As I see it, under certain conditions atoms refuse to behave like rugged individualists. However, a rugged individual physicist might equate such cooperative behaviour with a loss of identity, but I see it as the expression of a shared identity. Harry
