Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[mixent]

In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:07:12 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>I suppose the press will hear of this, and will be asking questions.

One can only hope! :)
>
>- Jed
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of "Ni-H Cold-Fusion\" [English translation]

[Axil Axil]

Mössbauer spectroscopy is a
spectroscopictechnique
based on the recoil-free, resonant absorption and emission of gamma
rays  in
solids.
This resonant emission and absorption was first observed by Rudolf
Mössbauerduring
his graduate studies in 1957, and is called the Mössbauer
effect  in his honor.
Mössbauer received a Nobel Prize in 1961 for this work.

Like NMR spectroscopy ,
Mössbauer spectroscopy probes tiny changes in the energy levels of an atomic
nucleus in response to its environment. Typically, three types of nuclear
interaction  may be
observed: an isomer shift , also
known as a chemical shift
; quadrupole
splitting ; and, magnetic
or hyperfine splitting ,
also known as the Zeeman effect .
Due to the high energy and extremely narrow
linewidths of gamma rays,
Mössbauer spectroscopy is one of the most sensitive
techniques in terms of energy (and hence frequency) resolution, capable of
detecting change in just a few parts per 10e11.





Depending on the local environment of the Fe atoms and the magnetic
properties, Mössbauer spectra of iron oxides can consist of a singlet, a
doublet, or a sextet. If the iron is superparamagnetic a telltale hyperfine
sextet structure will be detected.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:26 PM, francis  wrote:

> Jed wrote [snip]
>
> Focardi says some things that are supposed to be confidential. I will leave
>
> it to the reader to find those bits, as an exercise. He's got a big mouth.
>
> I'll bet this ruffles some feathers![/snip]
>
>
>
> Focardi says “and then there's this chemical compound. The issue came up
> during that demonstration because, when some people tried to measure the
> gamma rays, Rossi objected, because by measuring the gamma rays they would
> have also measured the gamma rays emitted by this secret compound, and so
> they would have understood what it was, what was in it.”
>
>
>
> He is revealing that it is a chemical compound that emits gamma rays…. That
> it participates in the nuclear reaction?
>
>
>
> Fran
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[Peter Gluck]

What I wanted to say with the missing word "technological"?
The truth is that Pd-D LENR has contributed to science but has not succeeded
to become an energy source.
If it ever will, that's an open question but in the spirit of fairness you
cannot tell that Pd- D is nothing.
The second non-ethical aspect in Focardi's discourse was that he well knows
that Piantelii is the leading scientist in the field of Ni-H but he just
mentioned "en passant" about Habel *and *Piantelli, as somebody of no
importance.
Peter

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 5:32 PM, SHIRAKAWA Akira
wrote:

> On 2011-04-15 16:04, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>> But Peter Gluck wrote: ". . . one word is missing: 'technological.'"
>>
>> What do you mean by "missing word"? Did Focardi say this and it is
>> missing from the translation? Or did he fail to say this and he should
>> have?
>>
>
> He didn't say that in the interview and in retrospect he should have.
> I don't believe he really thinks there haven't been positive results from
> Pd-D LENR research, he was more referring to their scale. In that sense he
> is somewhat right that the difference between those and his/Rossi's is so
> large that in practical terms other researchers haven't got anything so far.
>
>
>  You see that he is outspoken and he says all kinds of things, including
>> stuff better left unsaid. Maybe he was just exaggerating, or mouthing
>> off. It is hard to believe he does not know there have been positive
>> results from palladium.
>>
>
> It was a very informal interview on a local radio station (located in
> Bologna) with people that he already knew and already invited him a few
> times in the past months. Focardi probably didn't expect that an
> international audience would dissect it word by word, so he spoke without
> filters as he, reportedly, usually does.
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[SHIRAKAWA Akira]

On 2011-04-15 21:07, Jed Rothwell wrote:

I am surprised no one else has picked up on this. This part of the
Focardi interview is likely to put the President of Greece and the Min.
of Energy in the hot seat:

[...]

Does it? Personally when I heard that in the original audio I assumed 
what Focardi said was a huge simplification of what actually went on 
between Stremmenos and the Greek government. But you're right, I guess 
the press would like to hear the details about that.


By the way, I think that has something to do with Nickel mining, of 
which Greece is number 1 in Europe (excluding Russia). Having nickel 
powder production on site where it's produced would be quite convenient, 
I suppose, and I guess special permits would be needed. If Rossi's 
reactor will be successful, expanded Nickel mining alone would bring a 
lot of needed new jobs that the government might want to regulate. Also 
if this will actually happen, the Greek government might want to tax 
nickel used in E-cat power production to account for the loss of 
revenues due to the decrease of hydrocarbon usage. Maybe this is what 
Focardi was referring about in a few words.


There has been a post about that on Passerini's blog last week, with a 
nice and in my opinion informative discussion among users (in Italian 
only, unfortunately):


http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/04/estrazione-di-nickel-nel-mondo.html

Cheers,
S.A.

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[Jed Rothwell]

I am surprised no one else has picked up on this. This part of the Focardi
interview is likely to put the President of Greece and the Min. of Energy in
the hot seat:

it was easy to convince the Greek President, the minister... Consequently
Greece has signed a contract with Rossi and can build these devices.

I suppose the press will hear of this, and will be asking questions.

- Jed

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[Jed Rothwell]

I guess Focardi must have meant there has been no significant technological
progress. After all, he did mention Fleischmann's explosion. (He has it
going the wrong direction.)

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[SHIRAKAWA Akira]

On 2011-04-15 16:04, Jed Rothwell wrote:


But Peter Gluck wrote: ". . . one word is missing: 'technological.'"

What do you mean by "missing word"? Did Focardi say this and it is
missing from the translation? Or did he fail to say this and he should
have?


He didn't say that in the interview and in retrospect he should have.
I don't believe he really thinks there haven't been positive results 
from Pd-D LENR research, he was more referring to their scale. In that 
sense he is somewhat right that the difference between those and 
his/Rossi's is so large that in practical terms other researchers 
haven't got anything so far.



You see that he is outspoken and he says all kinds of things, including
stuff better left unsaid. Maybe he was just exaggerating, or mouthing
off. It is hard to believe he does not know there have been positive
results from palladium.


It was a very informal interview on a local radio station (located in 
Bologna) with people that he already knew and already invited him a few 
times in the past months. Focardi probably didn't expect that an 
international audience would dissect it word by word, so he spoke 
without filters as he, reportedly, usually does.


Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[Jed Rothwell]

SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote:


I assume this part is accurately translated:

"So there were two parallel lines of research: on one side, the
deuterium and palladium people, who never got anything . . ."[...]


Yes, it is. Several people on discussion boards I read on the matter 
have criticized that excerpt from the original audio interview for the 
same reasons . . .


But Peter Gluck wrote: ". . . one word is missing: 'technological.'"

What do you mean by "missing word"? Did Focardi say this and it is 
missing from the translation? Or did he fail to say this and he should have?


If he said it, I judged him too harshly.

I hope that is what he meant, in any case.

You see that he is outspoken and he says all kinds of things, including 
stuff better left unsaid. Maybe he was just exaggerating, or mouthing 
off. It is hard to believe he does not know there have been positive 
results from palladium.


- Jed

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[Peter Gluck]

a word is missing: "technological" I will comment at Daniele's blog.
Otherwise he cannot claim the paternity of Cold Fusion, or of Ni-H LENR.

Peter

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM, SHIRAKAWA Akira  wrote:

> On 2011-04-15 03:01, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>> I assume this part is accurately translated:
>>
>> "So there were two parallel lines of research: on one side, the
>> deuterium and palladium people, who never got anything . . ."[...]
>>
>
> Yes, it is. Several people on discussion boards I read on the matter have
> criticized that excerpt from the original audio interview for the same
> reasons (and also, because in my opinion it reinforces skeptics' argument
> that F&P' experiments were a scam. Many still think that).
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[SHIRAKAWA Akira]

On 2011-04-15 03:01, Jed Rothwell wrote:

I assume this part is accurately translated:

"So there were two parallel lines of research: on one side, the
deuterium and palladium people, who never got anything . . ."[...]


Yes, it is. Several people on discussion boards I read on the matter 
have criticized that excerpt from the original audio interview for the 
same reasons (and also, because in my opinion it reinforces skeptics' 
argument that F&P' experiments were a scam. Many still think that).


Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of "Ni-H Cold-Fusion\" [English translation]

[mixent]

In reply to  francis 's message of Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:26:42 -0400:
Hi,

Not necessarily. It could be producing an x-ray spectrum due to stimulation by
ionizing radiation produced elsewhere.

[snip]
>Jed wrote [snip] 
>
>Focardi says some things that are supposed to be confidential. I will leave
>
>it to the reader to find those bits, as an exercise. He's got a big mouth.
>
>I'll bet this ruffles some feathers![/snip]
>
> 
>
>Focardi says "and then there's this chemical compound. The issue came up
>during that demonstration because, when some people tried to measure the
>gamma rays, Rossi objected, because by measuring the gamma rays they would
>have also measured the gamma rays emitted by this secret compound, and so
>they would have understood what it was, what was in it."
>
> 
>
>He is revealing that it is a chemical compound that emits gamma rays.. That
>it participates in the nuclear reaction?
>
> 
>
>Fran
>
> 
>
> 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[mixent]

In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:50:39 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>How long would it take if Mills is correct? Does this rapid falling off in
>the reaction indicate that the hydrogen is consumed much faster than in a
>conventional nuclear reaction?
>
It well may. If a fast cloning process is responsible for the energy, then it
should stop pretty much instantly upon removal of Hydrogen supply. However with
Hydrogen dissolved in a Nickel powder, removal of the external supply wouldn't
immediately remove all the Hydrogen from the reactor.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

[Vo]:[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of "Ni-H Cold-Fusion\" [English translation]

[francis]

Jed wrote [snip] 

Focardi says some things that are supposed to be confidential. I will leave

it to the reader to find those bits, as an exercise. He's got a big mouth.

I'll bet this ruffles some feathers![/snip]

 

Focardi says "and then there's this chemical compound. The issue came up
during that demonstration because, when some people tried to measure the
gamma rays, Rossi objected, because by measuring the gamma rays they would
have also measured the gamma rays emitted by this secret compound, and so
they would have understood what it was, what was in it."

 

He is revealing that it is a chemical compound that emits gamma rays.. That
it participates in the nuclear reaction?

 

Fran

 

 

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]: Sergio Focardi, the father of "Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[Jed Rothwell]

Jones Beene  wrote:

 Isn’t it ironic in a way, since you have said before that Arata shares a
> similar level of vanity ?
>

Yup. I would hate to bring those two together.



> Arata probably considers himself the father of nanoparticle LENR … without
> which, Ni-H might not be possible.
>

I think everyone would acknowledge he is the father of nanoparticle LENR.

That's what I don't get about these people. Everyone in cold
fusion acknowledges that Arata has made vital contributions. They have told
him that, giving him awards and special sessions. Same in other fields. Both
Emperors gave him medals. The Welding Institute established an award in his
name:

http://www.iiw-iis.org/TheIIW/Recognition/Pages/Arata.aspx

I am sure he deserves every honor! That's not my point.

You would think that person whose ego has been stroked by so many people
would feel a sense of magnanimity . . . or noblesse oblige, or a sense that
he has made it to top and there no need to step on anyone else or denigrate
them to make himself look better. Yet the praise heaped upon him seems to
make him less secure, and more anxious for more homage. He is like one of
these rock stars, like Michael Jackson, that wretched man.

Arthur C. Clarke had a tremendous ego. He and his friends joked about it. He
used to send out circulars titled "EGOgram." He was anxious to amass
recognition and awards, and he loved to drop names. He, too, deserved every
award that came his way. But he was the polar opposite of Arata in
personality. He was the nicest, friendliest person you would ever want to
meet. (We never did meet, but I spoke with him on the phone.) He would never
put on airs or boast. He loved animals and children. He grew up on a farm
and was good with horses.

His biographer McAleer described his egomania, and he did not mind a bit. It
was an "authorized biography." He told me he learned a lot from it. I
reminded him that it described his habit in youth of keeping a record of
orgasms in his diary, and proudly pointing out to all and sundry that he
exceeded the Kinsey report averages. He was taken aback. He had completely
forgotten that and thought it was hysterical. Evidently the book was not too
carefully authorized since he had overlooked that. But he was a the last
person in the world who would worry about appearing . . . undignified, I
guess you would call it.

He and Chris Tinsley were the funniest people I have ever known.

Cold fusion has attracted a cast of characters, that's for sure. Rossi tops
them all. The news and the buzz he generates, the mind-boggling claims he
makes, and the aura of the unexpected he emanates is stronger than the field
strength generated by #2 through #10 strange-aura researchers tied together.
THAT is quite an accomplishment in this business.

He is also a sweet fellow. Kind of aggravating at times, but who isn't? I do
not think he intends for every word in his blog to be taken seriously. He
has a devious sense of humor.

- Jed

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[Jed Rothwell]

There is a lot of meat in this report. Read it carefully. A lot of food for
thought. And for gossip!

Focardi clearly says that the Cu isotopes are NOT natural. This contradicts
Essen, as noted here. Mass spectroscopy can be tricky, that's all I know. I
have seen many similar disagreements about isotopes.

(By the way, many people have suggested that enhancing one isotope or
another in the catalyst might boost the reaction. That idea has been around
for years.)

Focardi says some things that are supposed to be confidential. I will leave
it to the reader to find those bits, as an exercise. He's got a big mouth.
I'll bet this ruffles some feathers!

I enjoy the big mouth but I wish his ego was smaller, and his attitude more
gracious. Sigh . . .

Rossi was smart not to tell him what the two magic elements are. He would
have blabbed 'em. He says, "I don't want to know." I'll bet there's a lot of
other stuff in this article Rossi wishes Focardi did not know. I advise
readers to save a copy in case they decide to delete it.

As in so many other reports from these people, there are claims that seem
outlandish to me, being far wrong on the scale of nuclear versus chemical
reactions. They remind of someone who told me he could see bubbles of helium
rising from a cathode. He did not realize that the energy produced by one
visible bubble would be enough to blow him and most of the neighborhood to
smithereens. Focardi says:


. . . the latest application has nickel inside it, then the hydrogen is
supplied by electrolysis, so that … because you cannot keep a hydrogen tank
at home, of course, it’s dangerous. Instead we generated it from water by
electrolysis.

So, the device kept on working [in heat after death], and I thought to
myself: "I guess I’m going to have to use a hammer to stop it". Until one
day Rossi told me “I stopped it!”. "And how did you do that?". He said: "I
cut the power to the electrolysis, obviously". Right! All you have to do is
run the electrolysis from a separate power source. You cut the power off
there, and once the hydrogen is used up, the device stops by itself.


Oh, yeah? How long does that take? I would believe it if they said they
opened the valve and degassed it, or inserted nitrogen. But cutting off the
hydrogen supply and leaving pressure intact would leave enough hydrogen to
run for a couple of years, I suppose. Maybe I'm missing something?

How long would it take if Mills is correct? Does this rapid falling off in
the reaction indicate that the hydrogen is consumed much faster than in a
conventional nuclear reaction?

And they never thought to degas it before that? Hmm m m . . . If they had
called me on the phone, that's the first thing I would have suggested.
Followed by a thermal shock.

(BTW, I don't know why the response I just posted came out a new thread.)

- Jed

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]: Sergio Focardi, the father of "Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[Jones Beene]

Isn't it ironic in a way, since you have said before that Arata shares a
similar level of vanity ?

 

Arata probably considers himself the father of nanoparticle LENR . without
which, Ni-H might not be possible.

 

. so who's you daddy ?

 

From: Jed Rothwell 


"So there were two parallel lines of research: on one side, the deuterium
and palladium people, who never got anything . . ."

 

I have heard he feels that way. Maybe he means they have made little
progress toward technology, which is true, but I get the impression he has
the same attitude as Arata or Steve Jones: "I'm right; everyone else is
wrong."

 

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[Jed Rothwell]

I assume this part is accurately translated:

"So there were two parallel lines of research: on one side, the deuterium
and palladium people, who never got anything . . ."

I have heard he feels that way. Maybe he means they have made little
progress toward technology, which is true, but I get the impression he has
the same attitude as Arata or Steve Jones: "I'm right; everyone else is
wrong."

He and Rossi have done great work and made immortal contributions to science
and human progress. Why should he be such a petty jerk? Why lie about other
people's research?

Rossi is very gracious toward others, Fleischmann especially.

- Jed

[Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion" [English translation]

[SHIRAKAWA Akira]

Hello group,

A human translation in English of the interview to Sergio Focardi linked 
here several days ago has been posted on Daniele Passerini's "22passi" blog:


http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/04/sergio-focardi-father-of-ni-h-cold.html

By request of the original interviewers and because the translation 
itself, in addition to being quite lengthy might still be subject to 
small changes, I'm not copy/pasting it here this time. Excerpts of it 
for discussion purposes should be ok, though.


Cheers,
S.A.