RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat
Jones, Why do you go after Rossi and his supporters with such fanaticism? It looks like you have some psychological problem. Jones wrote. "Why do you punish yourself like this, Adrian? Rossi lied and called Penon a PhD and you and the other sheep then started calling him Dr. Penon ... LOL. He is a glorified mechanic. You seem to be a smart enough individual to make inferences based on other fields than the one you are trained in, but there are realities here that you absolutely refuse to consider. You can't really be that hard-headed, can you? All of the crime statistic show that the recidivism rate for white collar property crimes is extraordinarily high - above 75%. For a 4 time loser like Rossi, it is almost a certainty that he has not reformed. This is the thing he does best - the financial scam. He is the master of the energy version of this scam. But the difference here is that he is also a decent inventor and this makes him believe he can pull off the perfect scam, sooner or later. Yet - here again we have similar circumstances and you are blind to the fact that he has resorted to the thing he does best. There is a slight twist since he has found a niche where there is a proved anomaly that no one understands yet. That is why he is being called a "value added scammer" but make no mistake, he is a professional energy swindler of the highest order."
Re: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat
> On Apr 10, 2016, at 10:33, Jones Beene wrote: > The drama is intense, and IH may be partly to blame for not being proactice. > Yes, indeed. Some of the characters are larger than life. This turn of events is as interesting as a courtroom drama. I'm still trying to understand Rossi's calculus. IH can hire the best law firms in the world to defend them, and can, if they wish, allow the case to take as long as is needed. Rossi has hired someone who has only four years of practice. I do not see how Rossi could calculate that he will come out ahead if all of this is simply extortion following upon fraud. I get that he appears to allow emotion to dictate some decisions, but this scenario is difficult to fathom. Eric
RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat
Why do you punish yourself like this, Adrian? Rossi lied and called Penon a PhD and you and the other sheep then started calling him Dr. Penon ... LOL. He is a glorified mechanic. You seem to be a smart enough individual to make inferences based on other fields than the one you are trained in, but there are realities here that you absolutely refuse to consider. You can't really be that hard-headed, can you? All of the crime statistic show that the recidivism rate for white collar property crimes is extraordinarily high - above 75%. For a 4 time loser like Rossi, it is almost a certainty that he has not reformed. This is the thing he does best - the financial scam. He is the master of the energy version of this scam. But the difference here is that he is also a decent inventor and this makes him believe he can pull off the perfect scam, sooner or later. Yet - here again we have similar circumstances and you are blind to the fact that he has resorted to the thing he does best. There is a slight twist since he has found a niche where there is a proved anomaly that no one understands yet. That is why he is being called a "value added scammer" but make no mistake, he is a professional energy swindler of the highest order. -Original Message- From: a.ashfield Jones. "In fact, all of the pictures from JM show a pristine box that simply cannot have been an active boiler – it is too clean. Have you ever seen a working boiler?" AA. It looks like you lack good industrial experience if you have never seen a clean boiler. Not to mention the LENR does not involve combustion. It does make me wonder - what experience have you ever had? Jones. "Please note, I am not accusing anyone of a crime or even a civil tort, since the evidence does not support that yet" AA. But you have repeatedly done just that. You say Rossi is a swindler and a fraud. Also licensed engineer Fabio Penon was "no more than a glorified mechanic." Later saying you didn't does not negate that. Just why you would want to copyright your piece of fiction is a mystery. Potential customers like ShutRossiDown seem to closed their doors.
RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat
Jones. "In fact, all of the pictures from JM show a pristine box that simply cannot have been an active boiler – it is too clean. Have you ever seen a working boiler?" AA. It looks like you lack good industrial experience if you have never seen a clean boiler. Not to mention the LENR does not involve combustion. It does make me wonder - what experience have you ever had? Jones. "Please note, I am not accusing anyone of a crime or even a civil tort, since the evidence does not support that yet" AA. But you have repeatedly done just that. You say Rossi is a swindler and a fraud. Also licensed engineer Fabio Penon was "no more than a glorified mechanic." Later saying you didn't does not negate that. Just why you would want to copyright your piece of fiction is a mystery. Potential customers like ShutRossiDown seem to closed their doors.
RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat
From: Craig Haynie >>>First, there is no proof that IH agreed to any ERV… > I find this to be an odd thing to believe. The license agreement requires that both Rossi and IH agree to an ERV, and that the ERV will evaluate the device according to criteria which are laid out. If IH never agreed to the ERV, then why wait an entire year to mention it -- and where did they mention this? Rossi alleges they agreed, but for all we know IH can fully document that they hired their own ERV and Rossi would not let him into the test facility. You cannot use an allegation in Rossi’s complaint as fact. Wait till you see IH’s answer. <>
Re: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat
>>>First, there isnoproofthatIHagreedtoanyERV… I find this to be an odd thing to believe. The license agreement requires that both Rossi and IH agree to an ERV, and that the ERV will evaluate the device according to criteria which are laid out. If IH never agreed to the ERV, then why wait an entire year to mention it -- and where did they mention this? Everything I've read indicates that they agreed to the test, agreed to the ERV, and decided afterwards, by some other means, that it couldn't be shown to work. Craig
RE: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat
From: Blaze Spinnaker Wow a lot of sound and fury. Let's all wait for the ERV report or court filings from Darden & Co. Blaze, there will not likely be an ERV report, due to the Lawsuit. First, let me say to Walker that there are no selective memories here– only selective extracts of Rossi’s unsubstantiated claim, being presented as fact. Yes - IH accepted the 2012 Test on face value, before they had their own experts assembled - paid a large sum up front to become a player, and hired Rossi’s old friends and countrymen to continue the work in Miami. That much is not in dispute. It is admirable that they took such a risk since that 2012 device probably never worked. The following comments are copyrighted and not for any use outside this forum. They are offered as a counterpoint to the blindly supportive comments of Rossi’s fan club. There are two sides to most Lawsuits, and IH’s side needs to be presented more fairly. They are the good guys here, but that is by default as Rossi is a life-long con artist who will be exposed if this goes to trial. First, there is no proof that IH agreed to any ERV… or that the testing would remain exclusively under Rossi’s control. In fact IH seems to have implied that they hired experts from Carolina and Rossi would not let them in the facility! It is my belief that IH cannot be sure that the blue box device ever ran at all, much less produced excess energy. We will have to wait for IH’s legal filings to see how deep Rossi’s con-game goes. The bottom line is that the so-called “customer” was actually the President of Leonardo, a plaintiff. And, not only did IH never see any excess heat from any device of Rossi – they cannot be sure that it ever ran at all. To the cynic, these dynamics could end up looking more like some kind of civil extortion attempt than a breach of contract. In fact, all of the pictures from JM show a pristine box that simply cannot have been an active boiler – it is too clean. Have you ever seen a working boiler? Plus, there was no way to use steam in that facility, even if the boiler made steam. The steam, if there ever was any, had to be ported to an outside drain and was never used for anything of a commercial nature - which implies that the “customer” and his so-called business usage of steam is a complete sham. The so-called ERV report cannot be released for this very reason. First of all, it would be an admission that Penon and Fabiani – who are not licensed in the USA to do this kind of work, ran an illegal steam boiler in Miami for a year. Steam boilers are highly regulated. The civil fine could be several thousand dollars per day. The two of them would be immediately deported and probably lose their engineering license in Italy, if complaints were filed there. IH now has leverage over Johnson, the President of IH, who could lose his legal license over permitting an illegal boiler to be run without a permit - if not being accused of being a party to a civil extortion attempt, that is: if there is proof of that, or if the DA should be able to get an indictment. That’s right, this is shaping up to look like more than a contract dispute. Look for attorney Johnson to bail very soon, since this is very serious business for him, as the President of Leonardo, also a plaintiff and the “customer,” and housing the testing space – and therefore a full party to any fraud, and there is always a hint of fraud in such conflicting roles. He should bail immediately. If the Miami DA thinks Johnson has abetted another of Rossi’s scams, then both he and AR are in deep - for more than they bargained for. (I am not alleging that either did anything criminal – the DA will decide that). This explains another reason for the very existence of the Lawsuit. Rossi has all this faked data – supposedly 18 volumes and he cannot release it because it will screw his friends Penon , Fabiani and Johnson, the President of Leonardo – who now, if the DA smells civil extortion, can charge them under RICO. The stakes are much higher than you may have imagined because there is so much money involved - $100,000,000 plus damages. That is quite a swindle. Please note, I am not accusing anyone of a crime or even a civil tort, since the evidence does not support that yet, and we have not even seen IH’s answer to the complaint. The drama is intense, and IH may be partly to blame for not being proactice. But a number of recent cases like Fuhrman v. California Satellite Systems (1986) have held that a civil action for extortion does in fact exist in similar commercial circumstances, but … like most torts this requires a showing of damages. Rossi definitely has damaged several reputations here – there is no doubt about that. Rossi continues to this day to bad mouth IH, Darden, Vaughn etc. They came into this with good reputations, Rossi did not. The plaintiffs and their Lawyer, made a huge mistake in starting this episode o
Re: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat
Wow a lot of sound and fury. Let's all wait for the ERV report or court filings from Darden & Co. On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:46 AM, Ian Walker wrote: > Hi all > > Some people seem to suffer from a selective memory glitch. > > HIGH TEMPERATURE E-CAT MODULE Test of July 16th, 2012 for E-Cat > Certification > Was with a three man test team of: > :Fabio Penon , M.Eng. (Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification Specialist) > E-Cat Electronic Control System Specialist > :Fulvio Fabiani, M.Eng. > Radiation Protection Report: > David Bianchini, M.Sc (Physicist, Radiation Measurements Specialist). > > The test was at the behest of IH and paid for by them to their > specification, using people they selected and agreed too to the tune of $10 > million. > > Rossi merely continued to use the Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification > Specialist that IH were satisfied with, at any time in the last few years > IH could have chosen another engineer, they did not; therefore they were > happy with him to do the job. > > Kind Regards walker >
