Re: Installing classic with 10.4.1

[Robert Howells]

On 22/05/2005, at 10:22 PM, Lloyd White wrote:



I am using Tiger 10.4.1 on an iMac.

I did an erase and install of Tiger and in doing so lost Classic.

I am trying to install Classic again and have my original iMac 
software OS 9

Install and Restore on three CDs.

I also have OS 9.2.1 install and and the OS9 Restore CD as well as OSX 
10.2

Install disks 1 and 2.

I can¹t get the computer to start up from any of these disks to install
classic.  Holding down the C key does nothing and the start-up 
preference

does not even show any of the disks.

Can I just copy in the OS 9 System folder from the Restore CD into the 
OSX
system folder or do I have to go through the install process? If so 
how do I

get to it.  I a just going round in circles now.

Lloyd


OS9 fits on 1 x CD . I would not know why you have 3 x CD's.

Your message above is not clear whether you tried double clicking on 
the Installer icon

while running Tiger. ?

The OS9 operating system on the CD is likely an abbreviated version, 
which is probably

not enough for what you want.

Do you have another Mac around that you can use which has OS9 on it ?
Can you connect the 2 together Target Disk mode via Firewire ?

Have fun

Bob

Installing classic with 10.4.1

[Lloyd White]

I am using Tiger 10.4.1 on an iMac.

I did an erase and install of Tiger and in doing so lost Classic.

I am trying to install Classic again and have my original iMac software OS 9
Install and Restore on three CDs.

I also have OS 9.2.1 install and and the OS9 Restore CD as well as OSX 10.2
Install disks 1 and 2.

I can¹t get the computer to start up from any of these disks to install
classic.  Holding down the C key does nothing and the start-up preference
does not even show any of the disks.

Can I just copy in the OS 9 System folder from the Restore CD into the OSX
system folder or do I have to go through the install process? If so how do I
get to it.  I a just going round in circles now.

Lloyd

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Re: Updating for OS10.2

[Paul & Caroline van der Mey]

Merv

You can use Classic from OSX.0 right through to OSX.4.1

Paul

On 22/05/2005, at 5:43 PM, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond wrote:

Thank you for responding, Robert.  Is 10.2.8 compatible with  
Classic? I move between 10.2 and Classis quite frequently.

Merv

At 4:53 PM +0800 22/5/05, Robert Howells wrote:


On 22/05/2005, at 2:26 PM, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond wrote:


Currently I am running a table lamp iMac, 700MHz Power PC G4 with  
512MB ram on OS 10.2.  AppleWorks sometimes unexpectedly quits  
and does Ragtime but I mainly work with Classic for Ragtime so  
10.2 is fairly stable.  An update to 10.3 would apparently fix  
the Ragtime problem.
Looking at the downloads on the Mac website the first available  
update after 10.2 is 10.2.5.  I couldn't see updates for 10.2.3  
or 10.2.4.

Can I jump from 10.2 to 10.2.5?



You can Jump from 10.2 to 10.2.8 with a Combo update.
But you do need to find the answer to the Firmware needs.
Sorry , I cannot help you with that.

I found 10.2.8 to be a stable great OS.




Are there firmware updates that should be done first?
Advice appreciated.
Merv
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Re: Quicktime to DVD

[Rob Davies]

On 22/05/2005, at 3:55 PM, tom samson wrote:

Can anyone out there confirm, before I waste DVDs the best method  
of getting quicktime MPEG1 movies onto a DVD so that they play on  
TV full Screen. For some reason whilst moving to iMovie and thence  
to iDVD I loose sound

Idiot in control tom samson


What tools do you have at your disposal DVDSP? If so will import direct.

I use a program called DropDv for demuxing mpeg 1 or 2 to DV which I  
do believe iDvD will handle if part 1 is not an option.

http://www.dropdv.com

Go back to source and output relevant file format not sure what can  
be imported into iDVD, as I do not use it.


Cheers!

Rob Davies
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"Just take your applications and stick them in and see if they run  
(Gates 05)." If it does Welcome to Mac OS X! (RJDarts 05).

Mailing List Etiquette

[David Watkins]

Hi

I really enjoy picking up tips and leraning from the many people who  
contribute to the list. However, in recent times that it is extremely  
difficult sometimes to find a couple of lines of text some one has  
replied with amongst maybe a hundred lines of quoted text. Below are  
a few tips which I've taken from the Usenet Mailing List Etiquette  
FAQ which you may consider adopting.



Dave Watkins


=


Taken from the Usenet Mailing List Etiquette FAQ
http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html

When replying, should I quote the previous message?

Most certainly. You should always provide some context to your  
replies so that people who may not have been following the thread  
closely, or who have other things on their minds will easily be able  
to determine what you're talking about.


However, when quoting, be very careful to edit the quoted sections  
down to the bare minimum of text needed to maintain the context for  
your reply. There is very little on a mailing list that is more  
annoying than paging through a few pages of quoted text only to read  
a few lines at the end. Also be careful that you clearly indicate  
what text you're quoting (as opposed to what you're writing), and if  
possible, cite the author of the original text.


If your mail program wants to attach the whole message you're  
replying to on the end of your replies, please do not let it do this  
if you can possibly avoid it. It is a good thing to include excerpts  
from previous messages with your replies to maintain a logical flow  
of discussion, but it is almost always a bad thing to include the  
entire text of a message being replied to, be it at the start or end  
of your reply.

Re: Updating for OS10.2

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

Thank you for responding, Robert.  Is 10.2.8 compatible with Classic? 
I move between 10.2 and Classis quite frequently.

Merv

At 4:53 PM +0800 22/5/05, Robert Howells wrote:

On 22/05/2005, at 2:26 PM, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond wrote:

Currently I am running a table lamp iMac, 700MHz Power PC G4 with 
512MB ram on OS 10.2.  AppleWorks sometimes unexpectedly quits and 
does Ragtime but I mainly work with Classic for Ragtime so 10.2 is 
fairly stable.  An update to 10.3 would apparently fix the Ragtime 
problem.
Looking at the downloads on the Mac website the first available 
update after 10.2 is 10.2.5.  I couldn't see updates for 10.2.3 or 
10.2.4.

Can I jump from 10.2 to 10.2.5?


You can Jump from 10.2 to 10.2.8 with a Combo update.
But you do need to find the answer to the Firmware needs.
Sorry , I cannot help you with that.

I found 10.2.8 to be a stable great OS.



Are there firmware updates that should be done first?
Advice appreciated.
Merv
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Re: Updating for OS10.2

[Robert Howells]

On 22/05/2005, at 2:26 PM, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond wrote:

Currently I am running a table lamp iMac, 700MHz Power PC G4 with 
512MB ram on OS 10.2.  AppleWorks sometimes unexpectedly quits and 
does Ragtime but I mainly work with Classic for Ragtime so 10.2 is 
fairly stable.  An update to 10.3 would apparently fix the Ragtime 
problem.
Looking at the downloads on the Mac website the first available update 
after 10.2 is 10.2.5.  I couldn't see updates for 10.2.3 or 10.2.4.

Can I jump from 10.2 to 10.2.5?


You can Jump from 10.2 to 10.2.8 with a Combo update.
But you do need to find the answer to the Firmware needs.
Sorry , I cannot help you with that.

I found 10.2.8 to be a stable great OS.




Are there firmware updates that should be done first?
Advice appreciated.
Merv
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Re: Quicktime to DVD

[Ronda Brown]

On 22/05/2005, at 3:55 PM, tom samson wrote:

Can anyone out there confirm, before I waste DVDs the best method  
of getting quicktime MPEG1 movies onto a DVD so that they play on  
TV full Screen. For some reason whilst moving to iMovie and thence  
to iDVD I loose sound

Idiot in control tom samson


Hi Tom,

The Quicktime MPEG1 is a Muxed file you need to demux it.

If you have Toast Titanium 6, you can export the MPEG1 to Quicktime  
PAL-DV format, frame rate 25,

Audio 48kHz, 720 x 576

Then import the PAL-DV (.dv) into a iDVD Project and save it as a  
Disc Image.


Then burn a DVD of the Disk Image using Toast 6.

 The DVD will then play on TV.

Cheers,
Ronni
When Microsoft asks you, "Where do you want to go today?" Tell them,  
"Apple!"

Re: Quicktime to DVD

[Martin Hill]

Unfortunately Quicktime doesn't understand multiplexed audio tracks in
either MPEG-1 or MPEG-2.  This is one option I have been waiting for with
the last several iterations of Quicktime - and they still haven't fixed it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]&%*&^*&[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Even if you buy Apple's MPEG-2 Playback component (or get it with FCP or
DVDSP) QT still won't work with muxed audio to allow conversion to other
formats.

One workaround is to use MPEG STreamClip, a piece of freeware that allows
you to de-multiplex audio as well as convert AC3 audio to formats Quicktime
understands (and if you have Apple's MPEG-2 component it allows many
conversions to and from various formats of MPEG-2) amongst other features.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24055

Very frustrating we still have to stuff around like this with MPEG files.

-Mart

> From: tom samson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 15:55:43 +0800
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject: Quicktime to DVD
> 
> Can anyone out there confirm, before I waste DVDs the best method of
> getting quicktime MPEG1 movies onto a DVD so that they play on TV
> full Screen. For some reason whilst moving to iMovie and thence to
> iDVD I loose sound
> Idiot in control tom samson
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Quicktime to DVD

[tom samson]

Can anyone out there confirm, before I waste DVDs the best method of  
getting quicktime MPEG1 movies onto a DVD so that they play on TV  
full Screen. For some reason whilst moving to iMovie and thence to  
iDVD I loose sound

Idiot in control tom samson

Updating for OS10.2

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

Currently I am running a table lamp iMac, 700MHz Power PC G4 with 
512MB ram on OS 10.2.  AppleWorks sometimes unexpectedly quits and 
does Ragtime but I mainly work with Classic for Ragtime so 10.2 is 
fairly stable.  An update to 10.3 would apparently fix the Ragtime 
problem.
Looking at the downloads on the Mac website the first available 
update after 10.2 is 10.2.5.  I couldn't see updates for 10.2.3 or 
10.2.4.

Can I jump from 10.2 to 10.2.5?
Are there firmware updates that should be done first?
Advice appreciated.
Merv
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also believe in order to see."

Dr Who

[Susan Hastings]

Hi, we had an electrical storm during the airing of the first episode  
of the new Dr Who on the ABC last night. Consequently I had my  
computer off, and did not end up recording it via EyeTV. Does anybody  
have a copy of the show that could be put on DVD for me. If so, would  
be most grateful. cheers, Susan

Re: OT: Is this spam?

[Paul Kitchener]

Shay Telfer wrote:

Do *not* use the URL sent to you in the email (as it may take you to a 
phishing site where they'll capture your login/password information). 


Further to this, clicking these links, which are sometimes buried in 
images or obscured by other means, may also cause a record to be kept 
with the spammers that your email address does respond to bogus emails.


This will attract yet more spam to that email address.

Have fun
Paul

Re: OT: Is this spam?

[Christian Kotz]

Definitely SPAM. eBay don't have a Billing Department as they aren't 
involved in transactions. Also you can bid on different machines in 
different locations so of course the IP wanders and bids are made from 
different ones. 'Offline', yet online verification...hmm Says it all 
for me :P.


Regards Christian
On 22/05/2005, at 11:07 AM, Stewart Woods wrote:


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:OT: Spam query
Date:   22 May 2005 10:19:10 AM
To:   wamug@wamug.org.au

Hi all,

This morning I received this email, purportedly from ebay:


Dear eBay Member,
 We recently noticed one or more attempts to log in to your eBay 
account from a foreign IP address and we have reasons to believe that 
your account was used by a third party without your authorization. If 
you recently accessed your account while traveling, the unusual login 
attempts may have been initiated by you

The login attempt was made from:
IP address: 172.25.210.66
ISP Host: cache-66.proxy.aol.com

 By now, we used many techniques to verify the accuracy of the 
information our users provide us when they register on the Site. 
However, because user verification on the Internet is difficult, eBay 
cannot and does not confirm each user's purported identity. Thus, we 
have established an offline verification system o help you evaluate 
with who you are dealing with.  below:



https://arribada.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?PlaceCCInfo

If your account information is not updated within 48 hours  then your 
ability to sell or bid on eBay will become restricted.


Thank you

The eBay Billing Deptartment .


I was just wondering if this seems slightly suspect (I know fake bank 
emails have a similar kind of content) or if it's kosher.


"eBay billing deptartment?"
"verification system o help you evaluate with who you are dealing with"

Any thoughts are appreciated


cheers
stew


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Re: OT: Is this spam?

[Shay Telfer]

[...]
I was just wondering if this seems slightly suspect (I know fake 
bank emails have a similar kind of content) or if it's kosher.


"eBay billing deptartment?"
"verification system o help you evaluate with who you are dealing with"

Any thoughts are appreciated


If you're ever worried about the veracity of such e-mails, open up 
your browser and type in the url of e-bay or pay pal or your bank and 
log in normally. Do *not* use the URL sent to you in the email (as it 
may take you to a phishing site where they'll capture your 
login/password information).


If the matter's important, your account will warn you that you need 
to read new terms and conditions, or contact eBay management or 
whatever.


Have fun,
Shay
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 Opinions for hire  [POQ] of others; the love of power is
 http://public.xdi.org/=Shayfnord the love of ourselves - Hazlitt

Re: data manipulation

[Shay Telfer]

Hi all,

I am looking for an application that can manipulation data files. 
What I want is something that can sort text into fields and records, 
and add tabs and carriage returns. I have had a look on version 
tracker but I did not find what I was looking for. Can anyone 
recommend a program which does what I want?


Thanks.


BBEdit is good for working with text files, but to do anything 
complex requires knowledge of regular expressions (a piece of unix 
arcana). Of course once you know regular expressions you can do 
pretty much anything


Also, there really needs to be a simple rule for working out where 
those tabs and carriage returns should go (ie what's a field and 
what's a record). If you can't work it out then it's unlikely the 
computer can either :)




Have fun,
Shay
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 Opinions for hire  [POQ] of others; the love of power is
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"Boing" back!

[P Trouchet]

Further to previous after 3 day's  Boing back by itself Still on OSX 
10.3.9. Did nothing special just nice to have back . > "Gremlin's"! c > 
p.

Re: OT: Is this spam?

[Robert Howells]

On 22/05/2005, at 11:07 AM, Stewart Woods wrote:


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:OT: Spam query
Date:   22 May 2005 10:19:10 AM
To:   wamug@wamug.org.au

Hi all,

This morning I received this email, purportedly from ebay:


Dear eBay Member,
 We recently noticed one or more attempts to log in to your eBay 
account from a foreign IP address and we have reasons to believe that 
your account was used by a third party without your authorization. If 
you recently accessed your account while traveling, the unusual login 
attempts may have been initiated by you

The login attempt was made from:
IP address: 172.25.210.66
ISP Host: cache-66.proxy.aol.com

 By now, we used many techniques to verify the accuracy of the 
information our users provide us when they register on the Site. 
However, because user verification on the Internet is difficult, eBay 
cannot and does not confirm each user's purported identity. Thus, we 
have established an offline verification system o help you evaluate 
with who you are dealing with.  below:



https://arribada.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?PlaceCCInfo

If your account information is not updated within 48 hours  then your 
ability to sell or bid on eBay will become restricted.



Golden Rule No 1:  For something like this NEVER click on the supplied 
link.


Golden Rule No 2:  If you really want to verify something 
			Type into your browser yourself the USUAL web address of the body 
you want to communicate with.



It's not just eBay they try this with ...
all the banks suffer the same attacks from people trying to get YOUR 
Login and Password.

I had one for the Barclay Bank during the week .
 I Never do business with Barclays so it was obvious what was going on.


Bob

Re: OT: Is this spam?

[Rob Findlay]

Actually it's "phishing"
If you examine the URL you will notice it points to an IP address rather
than a qualified domain name. I had one last night that was pointing at a
university server in Honk Kong so I I guess they're trying to make some
pocket money for the holidays. When you log in they record your account
details and then go use them to sell bogus stuff. The one I had was
pretending to be from PayPal.


On 22/5/05 11:07 AM, "Stewart Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  OT: Spam query
> Date:  22 May 2005 10:19:10 AM
> To:wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This morning I received this email, purportedly from ebay:
> 
>> Dear eBay Member,
>>  We recently noticed one or more attempts to log in to your eBay
>> account from a foreign IP address and we have reasons to believe that
>> your account was used by a third party without your authorization. If
>> you recently accessed your account while traveling, the unusual login
>> attempts may have been initiated by you
>> The login attempt was made from:
>> IP address: 172.25.210.66
>> ISP Host: cache-66.proxy.aol.com
>> 
>>  By now, we used many techniques to verify the accuracy of the
>> information our users provide us when they register on the Site.
>> However, because user verification on the Internet is difficult, eBay
>> cannot and does not confirm each user's purported identity. Thus, we
>> have established an offline verification system o help you evaluate
>> with who you are dealing with.  below:
>> 
>> 
>> https://arribada.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?PlaceCCInfo
>> 
>> If your account information is not updated within 48 hours  then your
>> ability to sell or bid on eBay will become restricted.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> The eBay Billing Deptartment .
> 
> I was just wondering if this seems slightly suspect (I know fake bank
> emails have a similar kind of content) or if it's kosher.
> 
> "eBay billing deptartment?"
> "verification system o help you evaluate with who you are dealing with"
> 
> Any thoughts are appreciated
> 
> 
> cheers
> stew
> 
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Re: OT: Is this spam?

[Severin Crisp]

I had this one too, and I do not have an eBay account!
I just trashed it.   I had a similar email from an investment  
company, E*TRADE Australia, to someone with my surname but different  
Christian names notifying them of changing their email address - to  
mine!   I did send a reply to that one telling them to amend their  
records, they do seem to be legitimate .

Severin Crisp


On 22/05/2005, at 11:07 AM, Stewart Woods wrote:


From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Spam query
Date: 22 May 2005 10:19:10 AM
To:   wamug@wamug.org.au

Hi all,

This morning I received this email, purportedly from ebay:



Dear eBay Member,
 We recently noticed one or more attempts to log in to your eBay  
account from a foreign IP address and we have reasons to believe  
that your account was used by a third party without your  
authorization. If you recently accessed your account while  
traveling, the unusual login attempts may have been initiated by you

The login attempt was made from:
IP address: 172.25.210.66
ISP Host: cache-66.proxy.aol.com

 By now, we used many techniques to verify the accuracy of the  
information our users provide us when they register on the Site.  
However, because user verification on the Internet is difficult,  
eBay cannot and does not confirm each user's purported identity.  
Thus, we have established an offline verification system o help  
you evaluate with who you are dealing with.  below:



https://arribada.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?PlaceCCInfo

If your account information is not updated within 48 hours  then  
your ability to sell or bid on eBay will become restricted.


Thank you

The eBay Billing Deptartment .



I was just wondering if this seems slightly suspect (I know fake  
bank emails have a similar kind of content) or if it's kosher.


"eBay billing deptartment?"
"verification system o help you evaluate with who you are dealing  
with"


Any thoughts are appreciated


cheers
stew


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OT: Is this spam?

[Stewart Woods]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:OT: Spam query
Date:   22 May 2005 10:19:10 AM
To:   wamug@wamug.org.au

Hi all,

This morning I received this email, purportedly from ebay:


Dear eBay Member,
 We recently noticed one or more attempts to log in to your eBay 
account from a foreign IP address and we have reasons to believe that 
your account was used by a third party without your authorization. If 
you recently accessed your account while traveling, the unusual login 
attempts may have been initiated by you

The login attempt was made from:
IP address: 172.25.210.66
ISP Host: cache-66.proxy.aol.com

 By now, we used many techniques to verify the accuracy of the 
information our users provide us when they register on the Site. 
However, because user verification on the Internet is difficult, eBay 
cannot and does not confirm each user's purported identity. Thus, we 
have established an offline verification system o help you evaluate 
with who you are dealing with.  below:



https://arribada.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?PlaceCCInfo

If your account information is not updated within 48 hours  then your 
ability to sell or bid on eBay will become restricted.


Thank you

The eBay Billing Deptartment .


I was just wondering if this seems slightly suspect (I know fake bank 
emails have a similar kind of content) or if it's kosher.


"eBay billing deptartment?"
"verification system o help you evaluate with who you are dealing with"

Any thoughts are appreciated


cheers
stew

Re: users confusion

[Robert Howells]

On 21/05/2005, at 10:06 PM, Roger and Rosemary Horton wrote:


Just wondering if anyone has an idea about deleting users.
I didn't know I should have moved my old stuff from my imac before I 
set up a user on my power book. Now I have 2. One which has virtually 
nothing in it which is my new users; and one which is a copy of my old 
one. Unfortunately when I log in as the old user I can't download any 
files (dmg, rtf etc) Just get a message "can't create files" but works 
Ok with the new user. Up to this point I was just going to delete the 
new user, but now I don't know. Any ideas?


Rosemary


H!

Does your new user have the same name as the old user ?

How did you copy ?

At a guess it is a permissions thing !

You can copy   a " user "  files  to a new drive using Superduper .
It will work identically.



Bob

Re: data manipulation

[Robert Howells]

On 22/05/2005, at 8:38 AM, Ian Bacon wrote:


Hi all,

I am looking for an application that can manipulation data files. What 
I want is something that can sort text into fields and records, and 
add tabs and carriage returns. I have had a look on version tracker 
but I did not find what I was looking for. Can anyone recommend a 
program which does what I want ?



Depends on what you need !  Microsoft Office Excel will do some sorting 
of Text.


Bob

data manipulation

[Ian Bacon]

Hi all,

I am looking for an application that can manipulation data files.  
What I want is something that can sort text into fields and records,  
and add tabs and carriage returns. I have had a look on version  
tracker but I did not find what I was looking for. Can anyone  
recommend a program which does what I want?


Thanks.

__
The universe seems neither benign nor hostile,
merely indifferent.
Carl Sagan

20 Cool Tiger Features...

[Shay Telfer]

Worth a read

http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/13/tiger_tips.html

Hey, under Tiger, TextEdit now does tables, lists, and edits 
.webarchive files...


Have fun,
Shay
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=== Shay  Telfer 
 Perth, Western Australia   Technomancer  Join Team Sungroper in the
 Opinions for hire  [POQ] 2005 World Solar Challenge
 http://public.xdi.org/=Shayfnord