QT problem

[Severin Crisp]

I have just noticed that the QT movies in my own webpages will not play on my 
iMac.   They are fine on my iPad.   Safari says " plugin failure", Firefox 
requests activation of QT then plays and Chrome plays straight off.   I have 
removed the plugin from DIVX after a recent upgrade.   I am not sure how long 
this has been happening, only discovered by chance.   
Simple solution I am sure.  
Severin Crisp

Sent from Sev's iPad 
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Re: Food for thought

[Stephen Chape]

You are definitely not an orphan Michael.

About 6 years ago my step-son in Dubai moved away from the dark side.
He was influenced by using my Mac whenever he was here.
After he switched he commented that it made things so amazingly easier.
He said he wished he had switched years ago. 

More recently he has commented that he is finding things a little more 
difficult.
He “used to just do stuff” with no complications.
Now he says it is beginning to remind him of Windows.
NOW THAT TO ME IS A WORRY !!



> On 15 Oct 2015, at 12:46 AM, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice to know I'm not an orphan. I've been using Apple computers since about 
> 1994, and feel the same frustration., including the Photo debacle.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2015, at 9:38 PM, Rob Phillips  wrote:
>> 
>> This is an interesting discussion, and it resonates with the way I have been 
>> thinking.
>> 
>> I agree with Bill
>> 
>> "I want stuff that works when I need it."
>> 
>> Over recent years, I've become increasingly dissatisfied with Apple Mac 
>> products, because they continue to remove functionality that I have been 
>> used to using efficiently. I'm a 'messy' user, and I like to have multiple 
>> windows open at once. Recent OS upgrades have made it harder for me to do 
>> this. Unless I hide the Finder Toolbar, I can't open Folders in a new window 
>> without right-clicking. It took me months to find out about this by trial 
>> and error. Apple should have told me! Previously, I had a preference about 
>> how this behaved.
>> 
>> In other words, I'm getting sick of Apple telling me how I should use my 
>> computer, and removing my options for doing things differently. E.g. taking 
>> away scroll bars because you can swipe on iphones.
>> 
>> Forcing me to move to Photos, with reduced functionality, was another 
>> example which I didn't ask for.  I didn't even know I would lose many of my 
>> smart albums until AFTER I upgraded.
>> 
>> It seems like Apple has a philosophy that everyone is a new user, and 
>> doesn't recognise long-term users.
>> This is an interesting discussion, and it resonates with the way I have been 
>> thinking.
>> 
>> I agree with Bill
>> 
>> "I want stuff that works when I need it."
>> 
>> Over recent years, I've become increasingly dissatisfied with Apple Mac 
>> products, because they continue to remove functionality that I have been 
>> used to using efficiently. I'm a 'messy' user, and I like to have multiple 
>> windows open at once. Recent OS upgrades have made it harder for me to do 
>> this. Unless I hide the Finder Toolbar, I can't open Folders in a new window 
>> without right-clicking. It took me months to find out about this by trial 
>> and error. Apple should have told me! Previously, I had a preference about 
>> how this behaved.
>> 
>> In other words, I'm getting sick of Apple telling me how I should use my 
>> computer, and removing my options for doing things differently. E.g. taking 
>> away scroll bars because you can swipe on iphones.
>> 
>> Forcing me to move to Photos, with reduced functionality, was another 
>> example which I didn't ask for.  I didn't even know I would lose many of my 
>> smart albums until AFTER I upgraded.
>> 
>> It seems like Apple has a philosophy that everyone is a new user, and 
>> doesn't recognise long-term users.
>> 
>> I'm seriously considering other options, but I guess a Linux variety is the 
>> only option,and this will take an extended learning curve.
>> 
>> One day I'll reach a tipping point, but, in the meantime, I can hope that 
>> Apple will stop trying to control my behaviour.
>> 
>> My 2c
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/10/2015 7:18 am, Bill Parker wrote:
>>> Phillipe I can  sum it up this way.  I want stuff that works when I need 
>>> it.  The comparison with Windows still has Mac in a different league and 
>>> vastly superior.   However, the way things are going, I get limited or no 
>>> value from the constant upgrades.  And as you may have seen in the recent 
>>> past I had to open a document in Pages.  I had to upgrade the system.  the 
>>> very LEADT Apple could do is alert users to some very simples to take 
>>> before you download ( thanks Ronni for the help!)
>>> 
>>> What stuff do I need?   Office ( because I need to keep compatible with 
>>> group I work with).  Word for Mac 2011 was assuredly worse that it 
>>> predessor.  And Power point.  if going to El Capitan wrecks that critical 
>>> operation I an stuffed.
>>> 
>>> Security?   I do not use iCloud.  I do not use anything Google and do not 
>>> need to.  I have a Time machine sitting next to me, not in California!
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
 On 10 Oct 2015, at 00:46, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 The previous emails on this thread are interesting but I somehow do not 
 grasp what exactly some users are looking for with regards to the OS. Is 

Re: Two step verification

[Susan Hastings]

Brian, you don't enter the zero  in front of your mobile number if you are 
using the 61, just start from the 40.

Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Oct 2015, at 2:16 PM, Brian Risbey  wrote:
> 
> Hi All & Ronni,
> 
> I have read and been through all this information,
> now according to my iPhone 6 OS9:
> 
> Cannot set up Two-Factor Authentication
> is not available for your apple id at this time.
> 
> RE: Apple ID:
> I can change password, see list of Devices, but none of them, all current 
> software updates, have:
> This device cannot be used to receive Apple ID verification codes.
> I have my Recovery Key but haven’t been asked to enter it anywhere.
> 
> Okay, mobile phone number is required, for text message, I entered:
> County Code = 61  (correct format, yes?)
> Mobile 040….  (Correct format, yes?)
> 
> Am I missing something? I still can’t sign in to iTunes or iCloud in system 
> settings or App Shop when trying to update, on my MacBook Pro OSX 10.11. 
> programs just hang and require Force Quit.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On 12 Oct 2015, at 6:20 AM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Two-step verification is different from two-factor authentication—the 
> improved security method built directly into iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan.
> Two-Factor Authentication:
> 
> ---
> Two-Step Verification:
> 
> If you changed your Password in Two-Step Verification did you use your 
> 'Recovery Key'?
> 
> With two-step verification turned on for your Apple ID, you'll always need at 
> least two of the following to sign in:
> Your Apple ID password
> Access to one of your trusted devices
> Your Recovery Key
> If you forgot your Apple ID password
> Go to iforgot.apple.com to reset your password. You'll need to provide your 
> Recovery Key and be able to receive a temporary verification code on one of 
> your trusted devices.
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
>> On 11 Oct 2015, at 9:15 PM, Brian Risbey  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All
>> So
>> I have upgraded to El Capitan, all good, even Office 2016 is happy.
>> But, I can't get a trusted computer for my iCloud two-step verification.
>> I enter password into iTunes and it 'hangs', iCloud too, have to force quit!
>> Been through the process, changed password, waited 2 days, yippee, still no 
>> change.
>> 
>> My iPhone6plus should be able to receive message with code,Pad can't be a 
>> trusted device, so, is my old MacBookPro 17" too old for all this? My other 
>> computer is MacMini server not running El Capitan so ineligible. 
>> 
>> There is any advice in Apple support for El Capitan on this subject just on 
>> the beta issues.
>> 
>> Apple ID is working on iPhones and iPads.
>> Waiting was fun:
>> (This email is to notify you that your waiting period has ended and you can 
>> now set up two-step verification for your Apple ID) 
>> 
>> Brian
>> Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
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Re: Two step verification

[Brian Risbey]

Hi All & Ronni,

I have read and been through all this information,
now according to my iPhone 6 OS9:

Cannot set up Two-Factor Authentication
is not available for your apple id at this time.

RE: Apple ID:
I can change password, see list of Devices, but none of them, all current 
software updates, have:
This device cannot be used to receive Apple ID verification codes.
I have my Recovery Key but haven’t been asked to enter it anywhere.

Okay, mobile phone number is required, for text message, I entered:
County Code = 61  (correct format, yes?)
Mobile 040….  (Correct format, yes?)

Am I missing something? I still can’t sign in to iTunes or iCloud in system 
settings or App Shop when trying to update, on my MacBook Pro OSX 10.11. 
programs just hang and require Force Quit.

Brian

On 12 Oct 2015, at 6:20 AM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

Hi Brian,

Two-step verification is different from two-factor authentication 
—the improved security method built 
directly into iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan.
Two-Factor Authentication:
>
---
Two-Step Verification:
>
If you changed your Password in Two-Step Verification did you use your 
'Recovery Key'?

With two-step verification  turned on for 
your Apple ID, you'll always need at least two of the following to sign in:
Your Apple ID password
Access to one of your trusted devices
Your Recovery Key
If you forgot your Apple ID password
Go to iforgot.apple.com  to reset your password. 
You'll need to provide your Recovery Key and be able to receive a temporary 
verification code on one of your trusted devices.
Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 11 Oct 2015, at 9:15 PM, Brian Risbey > wrote:

> Hi All
> So
> I have upgraded to El Capitan, all good, even Office 2016 is happy.
> But, I can't get a trusted computer for my iCloud two-step verification.
> I enter password into iTunes and it 'hangs', iCloud too, have to force quit!
> Been through the process, changed password, waited 2 days, yippee, still no 
> change.
> 
> My iPhone6plus should be able to receive message with code,Pad can't be a 
> trusted device, so, is my old MacBookPro 17" too old for all this? My other 
> computer is MacMini server not running El Capitan so ineligible. 
> 
> There is any advice in Apple support for El Capitan on this subject just on 
> the beta issues.
> 
> Apple ID is working on iPhones and iPads.
> Waiting was fun:
> (This email is to notify you that your waiting period has ended and you can 
> now set up two-step verification for your Apple ID) 
> 
> Brian
> Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
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Re: Two step verification

[Brian Risbey]

Ah ha, 
Thank You Susan, I will check that.

Brian


On 15 Oct 2015, at 9:26 PM, Susan Hastings > wrote:

Brian, you don't enter the zero  in front of your mobile number if you are 
using the 61, just start from the 40.

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Oct 2015, at 2:16 PM, Brian Risbey > wrote:

> Hi All & Ronni,
> 
> I have read and been through all this information,
> now according to my iPhone 6 OS9:
> 
> Cannot set up Two-Factor Authentication
> is not available for your apple id at this time.
> 
> RE: Apple ID:
> I can change password, see list of Devices, but none of them, all current 
> software updates, have:
> This device cannot be used to receive Apple ID verification codes.
> I have my Recovery Key but haven’t been asked to enter it anywhere.
> 
> Okay, mobile phone number is required, for text message, I entered:
> County Code = 61  (correct format, yes?)
> Mobile 040….  (Correct format, yes?)
> 
> Am I missing something? I still can’t sign in to iTunes or iCloud in system 
> settings or App Shop when trying to update, on my MacBook Pro OSX 10.11. 
> programs just hang and require Force Quit.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On 12 Oct 2015, at 6:20 AM, Ronda Brown  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Two-step verification is different from two-factor authentication 
> —the improved security method built 
> directly into iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan.
> Two-Factor Authentication:
>  >
> ---
> Two-Step Verification:
>  >
> If you changed your Password in Two-Step Verification did you use your 
> 'Recovery Key'?
> 
> With two-step verification  turned on for 
> your Apple ID, you'll always need at least two of the following to sign in:
> Your Apple ID password
> Access to one of your trusted devices
> Your Recovery Key
> If you forgot your Apple ID password
> Go to iforgot.apple.com  to reset your password. 
> You'll need to provide your Recovery Key and be able to receive a temporary 
> verification code on one of your trusted devices.
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 11 Oct 2015, at 9:15 PM, Brian Risbey  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi All
>> So
>> I have upgraded to El Capitan, all good, even Office 2016 is happy.
>> But, I can't get a trusted computer for my iCloud two-step verification.
>> I enter password into iTunes and it 'hangs', iCloud too, have to force quit!
>> Been through the process, changed password, waited 2 days, yippee, still no 
>> change.
>> 
>> My iPhone6plus should be able to receive message with code,Pad can't be a 
>> trusted device, so, is my old MacBookPro 17" too old for all this? My other 
>> computer is MacMini server not running El Capitan so ineligible. 
>> 
>> There is any advice in Apple support for El Capitan on this subject just on 
>> the beta issues.
>> 
>> Apple ID is working on iPhones and iPads.
>> Waiting was fun:
>> (This email is to notify you that your waiting period has ended and you can 
>> now set up two-step verification for your Apple ID) 
>> 
>> Brian
>> Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
>> iOS 9.0 
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Re: Two step verification

[Brian Risbey]

Hi Susan,
Zeros removed, fingers crossed!

Brian


On 15 Oct 2015, at 9:37 PM, Brian Risbey  wrote:

Ah ha, 
Thank You Susan, I will check that.

Brian


On 15 Oct 2015, at 9:26 PM, Susan Hastings > wrote:

Brian, you don't enter the zero  in front of your mobile number if you are 
using the 61, just start from the 40.

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Oct 2015, at 2:16 PM, Brian Risbey > wrote:

> Hi All & Ronni,
> 
> I have read and been through all this information,
> now according to my iPhone 6 OS9:
> 
> Cannot set up Two-Factor Authentication
> is not available for your apple id at this time.
> 
> RE: Apple ID:
> I can change password, see list of Devices, but none of them, all current 
> software updates, have:
> This device cannot be used to receive Apple ID verification codes.
> I have my Recovery Key but haven’t been asked to enter it anywhere.
> 
> Okay, mobile phone number is required, for text message, I entered:
> County Code = 61  (correct format, yes?)
> Mobile 040….  (Correct format, yes?)
> 
> Am I missing something? I still can’t sign in to iTunes or iCloud in system 
> settings or App Shop when trying to update, on my MacBook Pro OSX 10.11. 
> programs just hang and require Force Quit.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On 12 Oct 2015, at 6:20 AM, Ronda Brown  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Two-step verification is different from two-factor authentication 
> —the improved security method built 
> directly into iOS 9 and OS X El Capitan.
> Two-Factor Authentication:
>  >
> ---
> Two-Step Verification:
>  >
> If you changed your Password in Two-Step Verification did you use your 
> 'Recovery Key'?
> 
> With two-step verification  turned on for 
> your Apple ID, you'll always need at least two of the following to sign in:
> Your Apple ID password
> Access to one of your trusted devices
> Your Recovery Key
> If you forgot your Apple ID password
> Go to iforgot.apple.com  to reset your password. 
> You'll need to provide your Recovery Key and be able to receive a temporary 
> verification code on one of your trusted devices.
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 11 Oct 2015, at 9:15 PM, Brian Risbey  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi All
>> So
>> I have upgraded to El Capitan, all good, even Office 2016 is happy.
>> But, I can't get a trusted computer for my iCloud two-step verification.
>> I enter password into iTunes and it 'hangs', iCloud too, have to force quit!
>> Been through the process, changed password, waited 2 days, yippee, still no 
>> change.
>> 
>> My iPhone6plus should be able to receive message with code,Pad can't be a 
>> trusted device, so, is my old MacBookPro 17" too old for all this? My other 
>> computer is MacMini server not running El Capitan so ineligible. 
>> 
>> There is any advice in Apple support for El Capitan on this subject just on 
>> the beta issues.
>> 
>> Apple ID is working on iPhones and iPads.
>> Waiting was fun:
>> (This email is to notify you that your waiting period has ended and you can 
>> now set up two-step verification for your Apple ID) 
>> 
>> Brian
>> Sent from my iPhone6 Plus
>> iOS 9.0 
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Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Michael,

It's not that mail in iOS can't handle POP accounts - I do have a number of
POP accounts on my iPhone, though they would all have been set-up under
earlier iOS versions.

The problem was setting up a new email account with an internode email
address. As soon as I input the mail server and password (before I've
finished setting up the account) it goes to "verifying" and then comes back
set as IMAP - I can then finish setting up (setting description, etc) and
have the option of saving or cancelling. Cancelling looses every thing and
you have to start all over again - save and the account is all set-up.

Nowhere does there seem to be an option to choose between POP and IMAP.

My iPhone4 came with iOS 4 and is limited to iOS 7. I am currently running
the terminal update for my phone which is iOS 7.1.2

As I say, the POP accounts would have been set-up pre iOS 7 - so I don't
know if the problem is with the upgraded iOS or just something different
about the internode email set-up.

However, the same email address is accessed by POP accounts on at least 3
computers - all running SL  ;o)  - so I now think the internode email is not
the problem.

It seems more likely that it is down to changes in iOS and Apple deciding
that it knows better than we do how we want things set-up :o((

Of course, I'd be happy to be proved wrong if anyone could point me to the
hidden IMAP/POP switch anywhere in the settings  ;o)



Cheers



Neil
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com





on 16/10/15 2:37, Michael Hawkins at michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote:

> If IMAP is the default setting for IOS on each Apple device, can it be
> over-ridden and POP specified instead?
> I use Westnet as ISP
> I read emails on my laptop and on my iPhone either by logging in through Mail
> on my Apple devices or by using webmail on whatever computer I could lay my
> hands on, whether it be mine or a  total strangers.
> 
> Found it very useful to be able to clean out emails by accessing Mail from
> iPhone, selecting each email I wanted to delete by ticking box, then pressing
> delete. Result was no longer appeared in my laptop and no longer appeared if
> logged onto webmail.
> (Same result if deleted email when logged on in Mail using laptop - if deleted
> from laptop also deleted from iPhone and Server).
> From time to time access email by using webmail, in which case deleting email
> meant it did not show up if I subsequently checked email by using laptop or by
> using iPhone.
> 
> I think possible results are
> (A) delete email on every one of Apple devices I use to check emails via Mail
> if deleted on server
> (B) delete email on Server when it is deleted on Apple device used to check
> emails
> (C) remain on Server if deleted on Apple device, so email still available on
> other devices used to check emails
> (D) deleted on Server and not accessible on any device if deleted by using
> webmail
> (E) remain accessible in deleted email box until specifically deleted from
> deleted email box.
> 
> Assuming my list of possibilities is complete, what are the possible
> permutations? Can Server be set to IMAP, laptop be set to POP and iPhone be
> set to IMAP, or must each setting on each device be the same if emails are
> checked using an iOS device?
> 
> Do deletion permutations vary depending upon whether POP or IMAP is selected
> on ISP server?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Michael Hawkins
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2015, at 9:40 PM, Rob Phillips  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess this should all work, as long as you don't get one of your POP
>> accounts to delete messages from the server when you download it.
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>>> On 14/10/2015 7:08 pm, Neil Houghton wrote:
>>> Hi Pete, Hi Daniel,
>>> 
>>> I've been following this thread with some interest. If I understand the
>>> thread, the decision as to whether an account is IMAP or POP should be set
>>> at the hosting server and then the account in the email program has to be
>>> set to match (ie use the same protocol).
>>> 
>>> Georgie & I have our own domains and generally use email accounts we have
>>> set-up on those. We have VERY limited email storage associated with these
>>> accounts and so we use POP and download everything from the server. No
>>> problems here except that there is also limited bandwidth and so
>>> occasionally we can hit the bandwidth limit. At some stage I will upgrade
>>> the hosting package which will address the storage/bandwidth limitations.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Our broadband provider (Internode) also provides email and so I set-up an
>>> internode email address for each of us - more as a back-up, we don't really
>>> use them as they would disappear if we changed Broadband providers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I set these up several years ago, so I don't really remember the steps
>>> involved - but I can see that the email accounts on the computer are set as
>>> POP accounts and everything works 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[petercrisp]

G'day Neil and Michael, I was momentarily puzzled when establishing
the IMAP accounts on my IOS devices. The option to choose IMAP or POP
does not present until you go to enter the Outgoing server details. if
you scroll to the top of that screen, at the top are the push buttons
for IMAP OR POP. The account set up process on iOS seems to ask for
Incoming server details first, whereupon entering that a "Verify"
operation occurs. Following that - and for some reason my iphone  had
defaulted to self nomiating a Bigpond outgoing server (I am Westnet)
and perhaps as a result of the FAIL it provided me the choice at that
point to select IMAP. I had not been aware of this prior to the other
day when I was making the changes across my devices per the thread
below.
So to answer Michael's question below, yes you have the choice in the
setup phase in iOS to select IMAP or POP and also Westnet do
accommodate this account type.
Having now made the change to IMAP and used in that way for a couple
of days, I am kicking myself for not knowing why I tolerated for so
long deleting stuff in 3 places as the POP configuration requires.
Pete.

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG" 
Cc:
Sent:Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:50:53 +0800
Subject:Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

 Hi Michael,

 It's not that mail in iOS can't handle POP accounts - I do have a
number of
 POP accounts on my iPhone, though they would all have been set-up
under
 earlier iOS versions.

 The problem was setting up a new email account with an internode
email
 address. As soon as I input the mail server and password (before I've
 finished setting up the account) it goes to "verifying" and then
comes back
 set as IMAP - I can then finish setting up (setting description, etc)
and
 have the option of saving or cancelling. Cancelling looses every
thing and
 you have to start all over again - save and the account is all
set-up.

 Nowhere does there seem to be an option to choose between POP and
IMAP.

 My iPhone4 came with iOS 4 and is limited to iOS 7. I am currently
running
 the terminal update for my phone which is iOS 7.1.2

 As I say, the POP accounts would have been set-up pre iOS 7 - so I
don't
 know if the problem is with the upgraded iOS or just something
different
 about the internode email set-up.

 However, the same email address is accessed by POP accounts on at
least 3
 computers - all running SL ;o) - so I now think the internode email
is not
 the problem.

 It seems more likely that it is down to changes in iOS and Apple
deciding
 that it knows better than we do how we want things set-up :o((

 Of course, I'd be happy to be proved wrong if anyone could point me
to the
 hidden IMAP/POP switch anywhere in the settings ;o)

 Cheers

 Neil
 -- 
 Neil R. Houghton
 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: n...@possumology.com

 on 16/10/15 2:37, Michael Hawkins at michaelhawk...@mjhawkins.com.au
wrote:

 > If IMAP is the default setting for IOS on each Apple device, can it
be
 > over-ridden and POP specified instead?
 > I use Westnet as ISP
 > I read emails on my laptop and on my iPhone either by logging in
through Mail
 > on my Apple devices or by using webmail on whatever computer I
could lay my
 > hands on, whether it be mine or a total strangers.
 > 
 > Found it very useful to be able to clean out emails by accessing
Mail from
 > iPhone, selecting each email I wanted to delete by ticking box,
then pressing
 > delete. Result was no longer appeared in my laptop and no longer
appeared if
 > logged onto webmail.
 > (Same result if deleted email when logged on in Mail using laptop -
if deleted
 > from laptop also deleted from iPhone and Server).
 > From time to time access email by using webmail, in which case
deleting email
 > meant it did not show up if I subsequently checked email by using
laptop or by
 > using iPhone.
 > 
 > I think possible results are
 > (A) delete email on every one of Apple devices I use to check
emails via Mail
 > if deleted on server
 > (B) delete email on Server when it is deleted on Apple device used
to check
 > emails
 > (C) remain on Server if deleted on Apple device, so email still
available on
 > other devices used to check emails
 > (D) deleted on Server and not accessible on any device if deleted
by using
 > webmail
 > (E) remain accessible in deleted email box until specifically
deleted from
 > deleted email box.
 > 
 > Assuming my list of possibilities is complete, what are the
possible
 > permutations? Can Server be set to IMAP, laptop be set to POP and
iPhone be
 > set to IMAP, or must each setting on each device be the same if
emails are
 > checked using an iOS device?
 > 
 > Do deletion permutations vary depending upon whether POP or IMAP is
selected
 > on ISP server?
 > 
 > Thank you,
 > 
 > Michael Hawkins
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 >> On 14 Oct 2015, at 9:40 PM, Rob Phillips  wrote:
 >> 
 >> I guess this should all work, as long as you don't get one of your
POP
 >> 

Re: QT problem

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Severin,

Are you running El Capitan 10.11?
The QuickTime plugin is no longer supported on OS X 10.11.

Apple disables the QuickTime plug-in in 10.11. 

If the QT movies are the ones on Jenny’s website, I tried moving the disabled 
“QuickTime Plugin.plugin” back into Internet Plug-Ins as below as a Test to see 
if it would work... but unfortunately NO.

I went to  "/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Disabled Plug-Ins" and checked if 
"QuickTime Plugin.plugin" was there, it was, so I moved it to 
"/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/ , restarted Safari and checked on Safari -> 
Preferences -> Security -> Plug-in settings.
Then opened Safari, went to Jenny’s website tried to play ‘The Stream’ but no 
go - still receive ‘Missing Plug-in’ click the -> to see message “This webpage 
has content that requires the “QuickTime” plug-in etc

I imagine it is to do with file handling via Safari and probably the move to 
HTML5.
The developers of the sites have to change, doesn't look like the browsers will 
change.

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

El Capitan OS X 10.11

> On 15 Oct 2015, at 5:29 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> I have just noticed that the QT movies in my own webpages will not play on my 
> iMac.   They are fine on my iPad.   Safari says " plugin failure", Firefox 
> requests activation of QT then plays and Chrome plays straight off.   I have 
> removed the plugin from DIVX after a recent upgrade.   I am not sure how long 
> this has been happening, only discovered by chance.   
> Simple solution I am sure.  
> Severin Crisp
> 
> Sent from Sev's iPad 

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Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Michael Hawkins]

Hello Peter and Neil,

Thank you for responding. Rather than blunder my way through written 
instructions from iinet/Westnet I’ve taken the easy way out and everything was 
sorted out during a phone consultation with a Westnet/Iinet fellow in Melbourne 
who was able to access my computer through LMIRescue. 

I’ve been with iinet/Westnet for 19 years or so and was on a legacy system. I’m 
now on a new much cheaper system for emails and my iPhone has been set up to 
use IMAP rather than POP.

So far life is much simpler.

Cheers,

Michael.
Yosemite 10.10.5
Mail 8.2


> On 16 Oct 2015, at 11:35 am,  
>  wrote:
> 
> G'day Neil and Michael, I was momentarily puzzled when establishing the IMAP 
> accounts on my IOS devices. The option to choose IMAP or POP does not present 
> until you go to enter the Outgoing server details. if you scroll to the top 
> of that screen, at the top are the push buttons for IMAP OR POP. The account 
> set up process on iOS seems to ask for Incoming server details first, 
> whereupon entering that a "Verify" operation occurs. Following that - and for 
> some reason my iPhone  had defaulted to self nominating a Bigpond outgoing 
> server (I am Westnet) and perhaps as a result of the FAIL it provided me the 
> choice at that point to select IMAP. I had not been aware of this prior to 
> the other day when I was making the changes across my devices per the thread 
> below.
> 
> So to answer Michael's question below, yes you have the choice in the setup 
> phase in iOS to select IMAP or POP and also Westnet do accommodate this 
> account type.
> 
> Having now made the change to IMAP and used in that way for a couple of days, 
> I am kicking myself for not knowing why I tolerated for so long deleting 
> stuff in 3 places as the POP configuration requires.
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:50:53 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
> 
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> It's not that mail in iOS can't handle POP accounts - I do have a number of
> POP accounts on my iPhone, though they would all have been set-up under
> earlier iOS versions.
> 
> The problem was setting up a new email account with an internode email
> address. As soon as I input the mail server and password (before I've
> finished setting up the account) it goes to "verifying" and then comes back
> set as IMAP - I can then finish setting up (setting description, etc) and
> have the option of saving or cancelling. Cancelling looses every thing and
> you have to start all over again - save and the account is all set-up.
> 
> Nowhere does there seem to be an option to choose between POP and IMAP.
> 
> My iPhone4 came with iOS 4 and is limited to iOS 7. I am currently running
> the terminal update for my phone which is iOS 7.1.2
> 
> As I say, the POP accounts would have been set-up pre iOS 7 - so I don't
> know if the problem is with the upgraded iOS or just something different
> about the internode email set-up.
> 
> However, the same email address is accessed by POP accounts on at least 3
> computers - all running SL ;o) - so I now think the internode email is not
> the problem.
> 
> It seems more likely that it is down to changes in iOS and Apple deciding
> that it knows better than we do how we want things set-up :o((
> 
> Of course, I'd be happy to be proved wrong if anyone could point me to the
> hidden IMAP/POP switch anywhere in the settings ;o)
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> on 16/10/15 2:37, Michael Hawkins at michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote:
> 
> > If IMAP is the default setting for IOS on each Apple device, can it be
> > over-ridden and POP specified instead?
> > I use Westnet as ISP
> > I read emails on my laptop and on my iPhone either by logging in through 
> > Mail
> > on my Apple devices or by using webmail on whatever computer I could lay my
> > hands on, whether it be mine or a total strangers.
> > 
> > Found it very useful to be able to clean out emails by accessing Mail from
> > iPhone, selecting each email I wanted to delete by ticking box, then 
> > pressing
> > delete. Result was no longer appeared in my laptop and no longer appeared if
> > logged onto webmail.
> > (Same result if deleted email when logged on in Mail using laptop - if 
> > deleted
> > from laptop also deleted from iPhone and Server).
> > From time to time access email by using webmail, in which case deleting 
> > email
> > meant it did not show up if I subsequently checked email by using laptop or 
> > by
> > using iPhone.
> > 
> > I think possible results are
> > (A) delete email on every one of Apple devices I use to check emails via 
> > Mail
> > if deleted on server
> > (B) delete email on Server when it is 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter, Neil and Michael,

Starting in  iOS 6 the iOS email setup became smarter, and tries to figure out 
whether your ISP supports IMAP, and if it does, creates an IMAP account on the 
iPhone.

If your ISP does not support IMAP it creates a POP3 account. 
There are 2 problems with this added intelligence:
1. Sometimes it makes a mistake, and creates a POP account even if the ISP 
supports IMAP.
2. Sometimes even if your ISP supports IMAP you might prefer a POP account. (I 
don’t know why people would but…)

I’ve had this happen where the iPhone would auto select POP even though the 
server supported IMAP.
One way you can force the setup to give you a choice of POP or IMAP.
Is to type in a fake email address dpj...@dpe.sp  when 
setting it up, iOS will then try to auto-discover the account settings when it 
can’t it will ask you to fill in the server details and you can select POP or 
IMAP.

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

El Capitan OS X 10.11

> On 16 Oct 2015, at 11:35 AM, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
> 
> G'day Neil and Michael, I was momentarily puzzled when establishing the IMAP 
> accounts on my IOS devices. The option to choose IMAP or POP does not present 
> until you go to enter the Outgoing server details. if you scroll to the top 
> of that screen, at the top are the push buttons for IMAP OR POP. The account 
> set up process on iOS seems to ask for Incoming server details first, 
> whereupon entering that a "Verify" operation occurs. Following that - and for 
> some reason my iphone  had defaulted to self nomiating a Bigpond outgoing 
> server (I am Westnet) and perhaps as a result of the FAIL it provided me the 
> choice at that point to select IMAP. I had not been aware of this prior to 
> the other day when I was making the changes across my devices per the thread 
> below.
> 
> So to answer Michael's question below, yes you have the choice in the setup 
> phase in iOS to select IMAP or POP and also Westnet do accommodate this 
> account type.
> 
> Having now made the change to IMAP and used in that way for a couple of days, 
> I am kicking myself for not knowing why I tolerated for so long deleting 
> stuff in 3 places as the POP configuration requires.
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:50:53 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
> 
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> It's not that mail in iOS can't handle POP accounts - I do have a number of
> POP accounts on my iPhone, though they would all have been set-up under
> earlier iOS versions.
> 
> The problem was setting up a new email account with an internode email
> address. As soon as I input the mail server and password (before I've
> finished setting up the account) it goes to "verifying" and then comes back
> set as IMAP - I can then finish setting up (setting description, etc) and
> have the option of saving or cancelling. Cancelling looses every thing and
> you have to start all over again - save and the account is all set-up.
> 
> Nowhere does there seem to be an option to choose between POP and IMAP.
> 
> My iPhone4 came with iOS 4 and is limited to iOS 7. I am currently running
> the terminal update for my phone which is iOS 7.1.2
> 
> As I say, the POP accounts would have been set-up pre iOS 7 - so I don't
> know if the problem is with the upgraded iOS or just something different
> about the internode email set-up.
> 
> However, the same email address is accessed by POP accounts on at least 3
> computers - all running SL ;o) - so I now think the internode email is not
> the problem.
> 
> It seems more likely that it is down to changes in iOS and Apple deciding
> that it knows better than we do how we want things set-up :o((
> 
> Of course, I'd be happy to be proved wrong if anyone could point me to the
> hidden IMAP/POP switch anywhere in the settings ;o)
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> on 16/10/15 2:37, Michael Hawkins at michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au wrote:
> 
> > If IMAP is the default setting for IOS on each Apple device, can it be
> > over-ridden and POP specified instead?
> > I use Westnet as ISP
> > I read emails on my laptop and on my iPhone either by logging in through 
> > Mail
> > on my Apple devices or by using webmail on whatever computer I could lay my
> > hands on, whether it be mine or a total strangers.
> > 
> > Found it very useful to be able to clean out emails by accessing Mail from
> > iPhone, selecting each email I wanted to delete by ticking box, then 
> > pressing
> > delete. Result was no longer appeared in my laptop and no longer appeared if
> > logged onto webmail.
> > (Same result if 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Ronni,


on 16/10/15 12:11, Ronni Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote:

> Hi Peter, Neil and Michael,
> 
> Starting in  iOS 6 the iOS email setup became smarter, and tries to figure out
> whether your ISP supports IMAP, and if it does, creates an IMAP account on the
> iPhone.
OK, so this explains the new problem ­ previous POP accounts se-up prior to
iOS 6 -  but because Internode supports IMAP iOS 7 unilaterally decides that
I need an IMAP set-up!
> 
> 
> If your ISP does not support IMAP it creates a POP3 account.
> There are 2 problems with this added intelligence:
> 1. Sometimes it makes a mistake, and creates a POP account even if the ISP
> supports IMAP.
> 2. Sometimes even if your ISP supports IMAP you might prefer a POP account. (I
> don¹t know why people would butŠ)
Because our personal domains are only used for email, we went cheap and only
have 20MB of disk storage... I know I should get around to upgrading the
package and paying for more ­ but, really, it has been working fine for us
for years so it¹s not a high priority. I save a LOT of emails (my Entourage
database is currently 4GB!) - again I really need a cleanout but there is
always some other priority ;o)

I also don¹t want to think about the implications of IMAP accounts on my
personal domain servers and the back-up/recovery systems needed - I really
want all my saved emails all in one place on my main computer (with
comprehensive backups) and my current system works well (for me!)
> 
> 
> 
> I¹ve had this happen where the iPhone would auto select POP even though the
> server supported IMAP.
> One way you can force the setup to give you a choice of POP or IMAP.
> Is to type in a fake email address dpj...@dpe.sp when setting it up, iOS will
> then try to auto-discover the account settings when it can¹t it will ask you
> to fill in the server details and you can select POP or IMAP.
OK, I may try this at some stage ­ but it currently seems to work OK so it
may have to wait ;o)
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> El Capitan OS X 10.11
> 
> 
Ronni, thanks very much for your explanations and suggestions ­ clear and
concise as always.

I now know exactly why I could set-up the POP accounts before but not now. I
also have a suggested fix if I decide I need to change to POP on the phone.


Cheers



Neil
-- 
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com

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Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Ronda Brown]

Your email reply to Peter hit the mailing seconds after I had hit send  :-)
Waterproof iPhone cases are not meant for taking a swim in the river.

Hey Michael, don't push yourself so hard when training on the river.
Stick to coaching rowers ;-)

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 16 Oct 2015, at 12:22 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ronni,
> 
> For me it all went awry when my very new iPhone in a very new supposedly 
> water proof case got wet after the carbon fibre shaft of a two month old 
> you-beaut oar snapped and the single scull I was in flipped.
> 
> The case was not entirely waterproof and the iPhone got a little damp - damp 
> enough to be replaced by Telstra. Telstra had set up the damaged phone and 
> everything went very well but for some reason the replacement phone was set 
> up for POP and my laptop was set up for IMAP.
> 
> As from 8:05 this morning I’ve been set up for IMAP on phone and laptop.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael Hawkins.
> 
> 
>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 12:11 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter, Neil and Michael,
>> 
>> Starting in  iOS 6 the iOS email setup became smarter, and tries to figure 
>> out whether your ISP supports IMAP, and if it does, creates an IMAP account 
>> on the iPhone.
>> 
>> If your ISP does not support IMAP it creates a POP3 account. 
>> There are 2 problems with this added intelligence:
>> 1. Sometimes it makes a mistake, and creates a POP account even if the ISP 
>> supports IMAP.
>> 2. Sometimes even if your ISP supports IMAP you might prefer a POP account. 
>> (I don’t know why people would but…)
>> 
>> I’ve had this happen where the iPhone would auto select POP even though the 
>> server supported IMAP.
>> One way you can force the setup to give you a choice of POP or IMAP.
>> Is to type in a fake email address dpj...@dpe.sp when setting it up, iOS 
>> will then try to auto-discover the account settings when it can’t it will 
>> ask you to fill in the server details and you can select POP or IMAP.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> El Capitan OS X 10.11
>> 
>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 11:35 AM, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
>>> 
>>> G'day Neil and Michael, I was momentarily puzzled when establishing the 
>>> IMAP accounts on my IOS devices. The option to choose IMAP or POP does not 
>>> present until you go to enter the Outgoing server details. if you scroll to 
>>> the top of that screen, at the top are the push buttons for IMAP OR POP. 
>>> The account set up process on iOS seems to ask for Incoming server details 
>>> first, whereupon entering that a "Verify" operation occurs. Following that 
>>> - and for some reason my iphone  had defaulted to self nomiating a Bigpond 
>>> outgoing server (I am Westnet) and perhaps as a result of the FAIL it 
>>> provided me the choice at that point to select IMAP. I had not been aware 
>>> of this prior to the other day when I was making the changes across my 
>>> devices per the thread below.
>>> 
>>> So to answer Michael's question below, yes you have the choice in the setup 
>>> phase in iOS to select IMAP or POP and also Westnet do accommodate this 
>>> account type.
>>> 
>>> Having now made the change to IMAP and used in that way for a couple of 
>>> days, I am kicking myself for not knowing why I tolerated for so long 
>>> deleting stuff in 3 places as the POP configuration requires.
>>> 
>>> Pete.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From:
>>> wamug@wamug.org.au
>>> 
>>> To:
>>> "WAMUG" 
>>> Cc:
>>> 
>>> Sent:
>>> Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:50:53 +0800
>>> Subject:
>>> Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> It's not that mail in iOS can't handle POP accounts - I do have a number of
>>> POP accounts on my iPhone, though they would all have been set-up under
>>> earlier iOS versions.
>>> 
>>> The problem was setting up a new email account with an internode email
>>> address. As soon as I input the mail server and password (before I've
>>> finished setting up the account) it goes to "verifying" and then comes back
>>> set as IMAP - I can then finish setting up (setting description, etc) and
>>> have the option of saving or cancelling. Cancelling looses every thing and
>>> you have to start all over again - save and the account is all set-up.
>>> 
>>> Nowhere does there seem to be an option to choose between POP and IMAP.
>>> 
>>> My iPhone4 came with iOS 4 and is limited to iOS 7. I am currently running
>>> the terminal update for my phone which is iOS 7.1.2
>>> 
>>> As I say, the POP accounts would have been set-up pre iOS 7 - so I don't
>>> know if the problem is with the upgraded iOS or just something different
>>> about the internode email set-up.
>>> 
>>> However, the same email address is accessed by POP accounts 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Neil Houghton]

Hmmm,

> The option to choose IMAP or POP does not present until you go to enter the
> Outgoing server details.

This is not working for me:

* Go to settings, mail/contacts/calendars
* Select the new Internode account
* Next page has an IMAP heading and an ³Account:² box showing the correct
email address 
* Select the account takes me to the account information page ­ which is
headed IMAP ACCOUNT INFORMATION ­ there are no buttons anywhere to change
IMAP/POP 
* Scroll down to OUTGOING MAIL SERVER ­ which correctly shows SMTP:
mail.intenode.on.net (same as my working POP accounts on computers) - again
there are no buttons anywhere to change IMAP/POP
* Select the SMTP account ­ shows mail.intenode.on.net as PRIMARY SERVER and
as ON - again there are no buttons anywhere to change IMAP/POP
* Select the mail.intenode.on.net PRIMARY SERVER ­ shows all the server
details ­ name/user name/password/use SSL/Authentication/Server Port - again
there are no buttons anywhere to change IMAP/POP

That seems to be as far as I can go in outgoing server settings.

I see Ronni has provided further info ­ so I will peruse that now.


Cheers


Neil
-- 
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com





on 16/10/15 11:35, petercr...@westnet.com.au at petercr...@westnet.com.au
wrote:

> G'day Neil and Michael, I was momentarily puzzled when establishing the IMAP
> accounts on my IOS devices. The option to choose IMAP or POP does not present
> until you go to enter the Outgoing server details. if you scroll to the top of
> that screen, at the top are the push buttons for IMAP OR POP. The account set
> up process on iOS seems to ask for Incoming server details first, whereupon
> entering that a "Verify" operation occurs. Following that - and for some
> reason my iphone  had defaulted to self nomiating a Bigpond outgoing server (I
> am Westnet) and perhaps as a result of the FAIL it provided me the choice at
> that point to select IMAP. I had not been aware of this prior to the other day
> when I was making the changes across my devices per the thread below.
> 
> So to answer Michael's question below, yes you have the choice in the setup
> phase in iOS to select IMAP or POP and also Westnet do accommodate this
> account type.
> 
> Having now made the change to IMAP and used in that way for a couple of days,
> I am kicking myself for not knowing why I tolerated for so long deleting stuff
> in 3 places as the POP configuration requires.
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>>  wamug@wamug.org.au
>> 
>> To:
>> "WAMUG" 
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:50:53 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> It's not that mail in iOS can't handle POP accounts - I do have a number of
>> POP accounts on my iPhone, though they would all have been set-up under
>> earlier iOS versions.
>> 
>> The problem was setting up a new email account with an internode email
>> address. As soon as I input the mail server and password (before I've
>> finished setting up the account) it goes to "verifying" and then comes back
>> set as IMAP - I can then finish setting up (setting description, etc) and
>> have the option of saving or cancelling. Cancelling looses every thing and
>> you have to start all over again - save and the account is all set-up.
>> 
>> Nowhere does there seem to be an option to choose between POP and IMAP.
>> 
>> My iPhone4 came with iOS 4 and is limited to iOS 7. I am currently running
>> the terminal update for my phone which is iOS 7.1.2
>> 
>> As I say, the POP accounts would have been set-up pre iOS 7 - so I don't
>> know if the problem is with the upgraded iOS or just something different
>> about the internode email set-up.
>> 
>> However, the same email address is accessed by POP accounts on at least 3
>> computers - all running SL  ;o)  - so I now think the internode email is not
>> the problem.
>> 
>> It seems more likely that it is down to changes in iOS and Apple deciding
>> that it knows better than we do how we want things set-up :o((
>> 
>> Of course, I'd be happy to be proved wrong if anyone could point me to the
>> hidden IMAP/POP switch anywhere in the settings  ;o)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Neil

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Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Michael Hawkins]

Thanks Ronni,

For me it all went awry when my very new iPhone in a very new supposedly water 
proof case got wet after the carbon fibre shaft of a two month old you-beaut 
oar snapped and the single scull I was in flipped.

The case was not entirely waterproof and the iPhone got a little damp - damp 
enough to be replaced by Telstra. Telstra had set up the damaged phone and 
everything went very well but for some reason the replacement phone was set up 
for POP and my laptop was set up for IMAP.

As from 8:05 this morning I’ve been set up for IMAP on phone and laptop.

Cheers,

Michael Hawkins.


> On 16 Oct 2015, at 12:11 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter, Neil and Michael,
> 
> Starting in  iOS 6 the iOS email setup became smarter, and tries to figure 
> out whether your ISP supports IMAP, and if it does, creates an IMAP account 
> on the iPhone.
> 
> If your ISP does not support IMAP it creates a POP3 account. 
> There are 2 problems with this added intelligence:
> 1. Sometimes it makes a mistake, and creates a POP account even if the ISP 
> supports IMAP.
> 2. Sometimes even if your ISP supports IMAP you might prefer a POP account. 
> (I don’t know why people would but…)
> 
> I’ve had this happen where the iPhone would auto select POP even though the 
> server supported IMAP.
> One way you can force the setup to give you a choice of POP or IMAP.
> Is to type in a fake email address dpj...@dpe.sp  when 
> setting it up, iOS will then try to auto-discover the account settings when 
> it can’t it will ask you to fill in the server details and you can select POP 
> or IMAP.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> El Capitan OS X 10.11
> 
>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 11:35 AM, petercr...@westnet.com.au 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> G'day Neil and Michael, I was momentarily puzzled when establishing the IMAP 
>> accounts on my IOS devices. The option to choose IMAP or POP does not 
>> present until you go to enter the Outgoing server details. if you scroll to 
>> the top of that screen, at the top are the push buttons for IMAP OR POP. The 
>> account set up process on iOS seems to ask for Incoming server details 
>> first, whereupon entering that a "Verify" operation occurs. Following that - 
>> and for some reason my iphone  had defaulted to self nomiating a Bigpond 
>> outgoing server (I am Westnet) and perhaps as a result of the FAIL it 
>> provided me the choice at that point to select IMAP. I had not been aware of 
>> this prior to the other day when I was making the changes across my devices 
>> per the thread below.
>> 
>> So to answer Michael's question below, yes you have the choice in the setup 
>> phase in iOS to select IMAP or POP and also Westnet do accommodate this 
>> account type.
>> 
>> Having now made the change to IMAP and used in that way for a couple of 
>> days, I am kicking myself for not knowing why I tolerated for so long 
>> deleting stuff in 3 places as the POP configuration requires.
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>> wamug@wamug.org.au 
>> To:
>> "WAMUG" >
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:50:53 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> It's not that mail in iOS can't handle POP accounts - I do have a number of
>> POP accounts on my iPhone, though they would all have been set-up under
>> earlier iOS versions.
>> 
>> The problem was setting up a new email account with an internode email
>> address. As soon as I input the mail server and password (before I've
>> finished setting up the account) it goes to "verifying" and then comes back
>> set as IMAP - I can then finish setting up (setting description, etc) and
>> have the option of saving or cancelling. Cancelling looses every thing and
>> you have to start all over again - save and the account is all set-up.
>> 
>> Nowhere does there seem to be an option to choose between POP and IMAP.
>> 
>> My iPhone4 came with iOS 4 and is limited to iOS 7. I am currently running
>> the terminal update for my phone which is iOS 7.1.2
>> 
>> As I say, the POP accounts would have been set-up pre iOS 7 - so I don't
>> know if the problem is with the upgraded iOS or just something different
>> about the internode email set-up.
>> 
>> However, the same email address is accessed by POP accounts on at least 3
>> computers - all running SL ;o) - so I now think the internode email is not
>> the problem.
>> 
>> It seems more likely that it is down to changes in iOS and Apple deciding
>> that it knows better than we do how we want things set-up :o((
>> 
>> Of course, I'd be happy to be proved wrong if anyone could point me to the
>> hidden IMAP/POP switch anywhere in the settings ;o)
>> 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[petercrisp]

No problem, at least you got there in the end. Enjoy your new IMAP
config.
Regards
Pete. 

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"List WAMUG Mailing" 
Cc:
Sent:Fri, 16 Oct 2015 12:15:01 +0800
Subject:Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

 Hello Peter and Neil,
 Thank you for responding. Rather than blunder my way through written
instructions from iinet/Westnet I’ve taken the easy way out and
everything was sorted out during a phone consultation with a
Westnet/Iinet fellow in Melbourne who was able to access my computer
through LMIRescue.  
 I’ve been with iinet/Westnet for 19 years or so and was on a legacy
system. I’m now on a new much cheaper system for emails and my
iPhone has been set up to use IMAP rather than POP. 
 So far life is much simpler. 
 Cheers, 
 Michael. Yosemite 10.10.5 Mail 8.2 

 On 16 Oct 2015, at 11:35 am,   wrote: 
 G'day Neil and Michael, I was momentarily puzzled when establishing
the IMAP accounts on my IOS devices. The option to choose IMAP or POP
does not present until you go to enter the Outgoing server details. if
you scroll to the top of that screen, at the top are the push buttons
for IMAP OR POP. The account set up process on iOS seems to ask for
Incoming server details first, whereupon entering that a "Verify"
operation occurs. Following that - and for some reason my iPhone  had
defaulted to self nominating a Bigpond outgoing server (I am Westnet)
and perhaps as a result of the FAIL it provided me the choice at that
point to select IMAP. I had not been aware of this prior to the other
day when I was making the changes across my devices per the thread
below.
 So to answer Michael's question below, yes you have the choice in the
setup phase in iOS to select IMAP or POP and also Westnet do
accommodate this account type. 
 Having now made the change to IMAP and used in that way for a couple
of days, I am kicking myself for not knowing why I tolerated for so
long deleting stuff in 3 places as the POP configuration requires. 
 Pete.

- Original Message -
 From: wamug@wamug.org.au [3]  
To:"WAMUG" 
Cc: 
Sent:Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:50:53 +0800
Subject:Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

 Hi Michael,

 It's not that mail in iOS can't handle POP accounts - I do have a
number of
 POP accounts on my iPhone, though they would all have been set-up
under
 earlier iOS versions.

 The problem was setting up a new email account with an internode
email
 address. As soon as I input the mail server and password (before I've
 finished setting up the account) it goes to "verifying" and then
comes back
 set as IMAP - I can then finish setting up (setting description, etc)
and
 have the option of saving or cancelling. Cancelling looses every
thing and
 you have to start all over again - save and the account is all
set-up.

 Nowhere does there seem to be an option to choose between POP and
IMAP.

 My iPhone4 came with iOS 4 and is limited to iOS 7. I am currently
running
 the terminal update for my phone which is iOS 7.1.2

 As I say, the POP accounts would have been set-up pre iOS 7 - so I
don't
 know if the problem is with the upgraded iOS or just something
different
 about the internode email set-up.

 However, the same email address is accessed by POP accounts on at
least 3
 computers - all running SL ;o) - so I now think the internode email
is not
 the problem.

 It seems more likely that it is down to changes in iOS and Apple
deciding
 that it knows better than we do how we want things set-up :o((

 Of course, I'd be happy to be proved wrong if anyone could point me
to the
 hidden IMAP/POP switch anywhere in the settings ;o)

 Cheers

 Neil
 -- 
 Neil R. Houghton
 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: n...@possumology.com [5]

 on 16/10/15 2:37, Michael Hawkins at michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au
[6] wrote:

 > If IMAP is the default setting for IOS on each Apple device, can it
be
 > over-ridden and POP specified instead?
 > I use Westnet as ISP
 > I read emails on my laptop and on my iPhone either by logging in
through Mail
 > on my Apple devices or by using webmail on whatever computer I
could lay my
 > hands on, whether it be mine or a total strangers.
 > 
 > Found it very useful to be able to clean out emails by accessing
Mail from
 > iPhone, selecting each email I wanted to delete by ticking box,
then pressing
 > delete. Result was no longer appeared in my laptop and no longer
appeared if
 > logged onto webmail.
 > (Same result if deleted email when logged on in Mail using laptop -
if deleted
 > from laptop also deleted from iPhone and Server).
 > From time to time access email by using webmail, in which case
deleting email
 > meant it did not show up if I subsequently checked email by using
laptop or by
 > using iPhone.
 > 
 > I think possible results are
 > (A) delete email on every one of Apple devices I use to check
emails via Mail
 > if deleted on server
 > (B) delete email on Server when it is deleted on Apple device 

Re: How to convert a POP email account to IMAP

[Michael Hawkins]

If IMAP is the default setting for IOS on each Apple device, can it be 
over-ridden and POP specified instead?
I use Westnet as ISP
I read emails on my laptop and on my iPhone either by logging in through Mail 
on my Apple devices or by using webmail on whatever computer I could lay my 
hands on, whether it be mine or a  total strangers.

Found it very useful to be able to clean out emails by accessing Mail from 
iPhone, selecting each email I wanted to delete by ticking box, then pressing 
delete. Result was no longer appeared in my laptop and no longer appeared if 
logged onto webmail.
(Same result if deleted email when logged on in Mail using laptop - if deleted 
from laptop also deleted from iPhone and Server).
>From time to time access email by using webmail, in which case deleting email 
>meant it did not show up if I subsequently checked email by using laptop or by 
>using iPhone.

I think possible results are
(A) delete email on every one of Apple devices I use to check emails via Mail 
if deleted on server
(B) delete email on Server when it is deleted on Apple device used to check 
emails
(C) remain on Server if deleted on Apple device, so email still available on 
other devices used to check emails
(D) deleted on Server and not accessible on any device if deleted by using 
webmail
(E) remain accessible in deleted email box until specifically deleted from 
deleted email box.

Assuming my list of possibilities is complete, what are the possible 
permutations? Can Server be set to IMAP, laptop be set to POP and iPhone be set 
to IMAP, or must each setting on each device be the same if emails are checked 
using an iOS device?

Do deletion permutations vary depending upon whether POP or IMAP is selected on 
ISP server?

Thank you,

Michael Hawkins
Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Oct 2015, at 9:40 PM, Rob Phillips  wrote:
> 
> I guess this should all work, as long as you don't get one of your POP 
> accounts to delete messages from the server when you download it.
> 
> Rob
> 
>> On 14/10/2015 7:08 pm, Neil Houghton wrote:
>> Hi Pete, Hi Daniel,
>> 
>> I've been following this thread with some interest. If I understand the
>> thread, the decision as to whether an account is IMAP or POP should be set
>> at the hosting server and then the account in the email program has to be
>> set to match (ie use the same protocol).
>> 
>> Georgie & I have our own domains and generally use email accounts we have
>> set-up on those. We have VERY limited email storage associated with these
>> accounts and so we use POP and download everything from the server. No
>> problems here except that there is also limited bandwidth and so
>> occasionally we can hit the bandwidth limit. At some stage I will upgrade
>> the hosting package which will address the storage/bandwidth limitations.
>> 
>> 
>> Our broadband provider (Internode) also provides email and so I set-up an
>> internode email address for each of us - more as a back-up, we don't really
>> use them as they would disappear if we changed Broadband providers.
>> 
>> 
>> I set these up several years ago, so I don't really remember the steps
>> involved - but I can see that the email accounts on the computer are set as
>> POP accounts and everything works fine (test emails to and from both mine &
>> Georgies accounts.
>> 
>> 
>> Now, here's where it gets confusing
>> 
>> Recently Georgie was getting (and due to get) quite a lot of emails with
>> large phoo files attached - so I suggested she use her internode email
>> address to avoid running into bandwidth/storage limitations on her personal
>> email accounts. She had forgotten that she had this account and it was only
>> configured on the computers so she asked me to set-up the account on her
>> iPhone - which I did - only to find that mail on IOS automatically set up an
>> IMAP account!
>> 
>> So now it seems that there is an IMAP account on the iPhone and POP accounts
>> on several computers all connecting to the same basic Internode email
>> account. All seem to work well and send and receive email OK.
>> 
>> The IMAP account leaves messages on the server (as you would expect). The
>> POP accounts on the secondary computers also leave messages on the server
>> (as they have been set to do) and the POP account on her main computer
>> downloads messages from the server (as it has been set to do).
>> 
>> I currently have 15 email accounts set-up in my email client on my computer
>> and ALL are POP - so I would prefer to just keep everything the same.
>> However Mail on IOS on the iPhones just automatically sets the internode
>> accounts to IMAP and does not let me select POP.
>> 
>> 
>> So I seem to have a hybrid IMAP/POP set-up - which just seems wrong!
>> However, it all seems to work OK!
>> 
>> 
>> Any comments? Am I likely to run into any problems with this set-up?
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
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