Re: How can I share an external hard drive using OS X 10.2?

[Warwick Gaff]

Works a treat. Thankyou!

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Woods" 

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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: How can I share an external hard drive using OS X 10.2?




On Thursday, February 12, 2009, at 10:58AM, "Warwick Gaff" 
 wrote:

Hello WAMUG users.

I have an iMac G3 400Mhz running OS X 10.2 with an 8Gb Seagate hard drive.
I've connected up a 640Gb USB hard drive and wish to share the content on
the USB drive with other network users. Is this possible? I have file
sharing and windows sharing active under the Sharing Preferences. I can
connect to both my XP PC and XBOX (Original) from my iMac.

Sharing from XP is not an option for me as it runs off wireless and the 
USB

drive is formatted as a OS X volume. Tried using MacDrive and PC freezes
when large files are tranfered or accessed from it.

Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated, I've spent at least 
a

month on this issue with no success.


Hi Warren,

Take a look at Sharepoints.

<http://www.hornware.com/sharepoints>

Makes the job of set up much much easier.

HTH

Steve.


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Re: How can I share an external hard drive using OS X 10.2?

[Steve Woods]

 
On Thursday, February 12, 2009, at 10:58AM, "Warwick Gaff" 
 wrote:
>Hello WAMUG users.
>
>I have an iMac G3 400Mhz running OS X 10.2 with an 8Gb Seagate hard drive. 
>I've connected up a 640Gb USB hard drive and wish to share the content on 
>the USB drive with other network users. Is this possible? I have file 
>sharing and windows sharing active under the Sharing Preferences. I can 
>connect to both my XP PC and XBOX (Original) from my iMac.
>
>Sharing from XP is not an option for me as it runs off wireless and the USB 
>drive is formatted as a OS X volume. Tried using MacDrive and PC freezes 
>when large files are tranfered or accessed from it.
>
>Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated, I've spent at least a 
>month on this issue with no success.

Hi Warren,

Take a look at Sharepoints.

<http://www.hornware.com/sharepoints>

Makes the job of set up much much easier.

HTH

Steve.


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How can I share an external hard drive using OS X 10.2?

[Warwick Gaff]

Hello WAMUG users.

I have an iMac G3 400Mhz running OS X 10.2 with an 8Gb Seagate hard drive. 
I've connected up a 640Gb USB hard drive and wish to share the content on 
the USB drive with other network users. Is this possible? I have file 
sharing and windows sharing active under the Sharing Preferences. I can 
connect to both my XP PC and XBOX (Original) from my iMac.


Sharing from XP is not an option for me as it runs off wireless and the USB 
drive is formatted as a OS X volume. Tried using MacDrive and PC freezes 
when large files are tranfered or accessed from it.


Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated, I've spent at least a 
month on this issue with no success.


Regards

Warwick Gaff 



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What Mac for 10.2 Server?

[Rod]

Hi All!

I am *almost* in the market for a G4 400 Tower.  Does anyone know  
what the current market price is for one of these beasties?  The Mac  
will be running 10.2 Server, with the following services:


Mail
File Sharing (SMB and Mac)
Eventually hosting Webobjects database for local use only
DHCP server
Some sort of Firewall, as there are dastardly PCs on the network :-)

At this stage there will only be 3 users connected to the server,  
maybe more in the distant future.  Would even a B&W G3 be good enough  
for this (with lots of ram)?


It seems the amount of 400s have gone to ground again, so just  
wondering what I can get away with (Dad doesn't really want to spend  
heaps, and I would rather use a tower than an old iMac with one  
ethernet port).


Any other ideas?

Seeya

Rod!

Re: iMac and 10.2

[Antony N. Lord]

1. Is the jumper set on the drive set for single/master?  (I've seen 
disks set for Cable Select recognised in Disk Utility, but unable to 
boot...)


Duh - I thought I had been s careful in doing this when I 
installed the drive. Lo and behold the jumper had to be removed from 
the factory position for master to take effect (the factory jumper 
position is in fact "none of the listed options").


Thanks again, Antony.

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Re: iMac and 10.2

[Steve Woods]

On 11/08/2004, at 10:03 PM, Antony N. Lord wrote:

I'm trying to get 10.2 installed on a 333MHz iMac with a new 120Gb 
Western Digital HD.


The drive is partitioned as 7Gb / 7Gb / 106Gb for OS X / OS 9 / Data.

(Lets not start a partitioning war just yet)

The install (Disc 1) seems to go fine but when the iMac restarts it 
boots from the install CD again. Ejecting the CD gives me the ol' 
flashing folder icon


Two thoughts here:

1. Is the jumper set on the drive set for single/master?  (I've seen 
disks set for Cable Select recognised in Disk Utility, but unable to 
boot...)


2. Is OSX really installed on the first partition on the disk? (sounds 
like it is from your description, but might be worth checking which 
volume is which).


Hope this helps...

Steve.

iMac and 10.2

[Antony N. Lord]

I'm trying to get 10.2 installed on a 333MHz iMac with a new 120Gb 
Western Digital HD.


The drive is partitioned as 7Gb / 7Gb / 106Gb for OS X / OS 9 / Data.

(Lets not start a partitioning war just yet)

The install (Disc 1) seems to go fine but when the iMac restarts it 
boots from the install CD again. Ejecting the CD gives me the ol' 
flashing folder icon.


None of the usual option-key-at-startup tricks seem to work.

What have I missed here? I ran the iMac firmware updater 1.2 and it 
claimed the firmware was up to date (obviously done before attempting 
the machines first foray in to X land).


Suggestions welcomed!

Cheers, Antony.

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Re: seemingly, a solution to Mac OS X 10.2 and Telstra Cable (Broadband) problem

[Mark Secker]

Why Telstra lust haven't paid Jamie Curmie a license for this and 
just included it on their set-up disks is a complete mystery.



My guess is that they would have wanted to take intellectual rights 
and charge users for it and that he found this unacceptable?


Given that they don't even offer info about it on their own site or 
through their call center would seem to suggest that they are either 
deliberately ignoring it or stupid but that's just my personal opinion


actually my strictly personal, and in no way associated with my place 
of employment, or my professional qualifications, opinion is the 
"stupid" option but I have no evidence apart from irrational loathing 
born of experience to back this up.





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ECEL Computer Support Officer, University of Western Australia.
CRICOS Provider No. 00126G
~

"'We are all children of $root'
or so says a wise old programer..."
Anon.

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UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."

-- Jeremy S. Anderson

Re: seemingly, a solution to Mac OS X 10.2 and Telstra Cable (Broadband) problem

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 03:38 PM, Mark Secker wrote:

> seemingly a solution to Mac OS X 10.2 and Telstra Cable (Broadband)
> problem I queried about a week ago:
>
> thanks to those who assisted with this.
>
> the solution seems to be to use a 3rd party "donationware" program
> called "Launch!"
> have not given it a long term whirl but after 2 hours of testing
> including large downloads, rebooting, reconnecting etc we encountered
> no problems.
>
>

It seems I must have missed the original post regarding this, but as a 
long-tome user of Launch! (since its inception) I can vouch for this 
excellent little utility. It has never failed me, is as solid as a 
rock, and rich in features, even to the point of telling you on-screen 
how much you owe Telstra when you exceed your monthly download limit 
(well, it's not pleasant information but very handy).

Why Telstra lust haven't paid Jamie Curmie a license for this and just 
included it on their set-up disks is a complete mystery.

-- 
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Apwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, 
Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Fax (618) 9332 0913

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seemingly, a solution to Mac OS X 10.2 and Telstra Cable (Broadband) problem

[Mark Secker]

seemingly a solution to Mac OS X 10.2 and Telstra Cable (Broadband) 
problem I queried about a week ago:


thanks to those who assisted with this.

the solution seems to be to use a 3rd party "donationware" program 
called "Launch!"
have not given it a long term whirl but after 2 hours of testing 
including large downloads, rebooting, reconnecting etc we encountered 
no problems.



Version 2.2 of Launch! is available:
from developer 
http://users.bigpond.net.au/jcurmi/software/mac/launch/index.html

via version-tracker <http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/13015>
or <ftp://talent.ecel.uwa.edu.au/talent/public/Mac%20OS%20X/bigpondlaunch/>


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or so says a wise old programer..."
Anon.

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UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."

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10.2.x

[Bob]

At 8:52 PM 6/6/03, Keith Palmer, Zytech wrote:

Just come across this very (read VERY) neat OS X (Jaguar) tutorial and
troubleshooting guide  haven't seen it mentioned previously so take
a peek -
http://www.macattorney.com/tutorial.html


It is very good but has been around for some time now. It is 
regularly mentioned on various US lists I subscribe to. The author, 
Randy Singer, also quite often posts to those lists.


Bob

10.2.x

[Keith Palmer, Zytech]

Just come across this very (read VERY) neat OS X (Jaguar) tutorial and 
troubleshooting guide  haven't seen it mentioned previously so take 
a peek -

http://www.macattorney.com/tutorial.html

Keith Palmer
Zytech Marketing Pty Ltd
PO Box 342 Bunbury 6231
Phone: 08 9791 5556 Fax: 08 9791 5900
the online data storage & technology store -
http://www.zytech.com.au/

Resolved: Dock stops working in OS 10.2.x

[Anthony Meston]

Thanks Shay.

All is looking well again. Doing a search for com.apple.dock listed two
files:
Users_home/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.plist
System/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dockfixup.plist

Removing the user's preference file had no effect except for resetting the
size and magnification options - the icons were still unresponsive.

Removing the System file - dockfixup - was the winner. I don't know where
this file came from. It is dated 12/12/02 and was not recreated after
reboot.

Ciao
Anthony


-Original Message-
From: Shay Telfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 17 February 2003 2:35 PM
To: wamug@wamug.org.au
Subject: Re: Dock stops working in OS 10.2.x


>Hi all
>
>I have a blue and white G3 onto which I have recently installed MacOS 10.2
>and all updates. I installed 10.2.4 today hoping it would fix it, but no
>luck. It is reasonably "vanilla" installation with no third party stuff
>running except for Norton AntiVirus and Classic is only used for Outlook.
>
>Sometimes the Dock is not updating the open applications' icons with the
>triangle or removing this when the app is quit. Occasionally the dock
>decides to stop responding altogether. The magnification works, but
clicking
>on the icons has no effect. Very frustrating.
>
>I have searched to the best of my ability through Apple's KB, but didn't
>find anything appropriate. Would it be a case of a corrupted preference as
>used to occur in OS9?

Yes, sounds like it could be. You could try throwing away the 
appropriate '.plist' file, probably being com.apple.dock.plist

Have fun,
Shay

Re: Dock stops working in OS 10.2.x

[Shay Telfer]

Hi all

I have a blue and white G3 onto which I have recently installed MacOS 10.2
and all updates. I installed 10.2.4 today hoping it would fix it, but no
luck. It is reasonably "vanilla" installation with no third party stuff
running except for Norton AntiVirus and Classic is only used for Outlook.

Sometimes the Dock is not updating the open applications' icons with the
triangle or removing this when the app is quit. Occasionally the dock
decides to stop responding altogether. The magnification works, but clicking
on the icons has no effect. Very frustrating.

I have searched to the best of my ability through Apple's KB, but didn't
find anything appropriate. Would it be a case of a corrupted preference as
used to occur in OS9?


Yes, sounds like it could be. You could try throwing away the 
appropriate '.plist' file, probably being com.apple.dock.plist


Have fun,
Shay
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Dock stops working in OS 10.2.x

[Anthony Meston]

Hi all

I have a blue and white G3 onto which I have recently installed MacOS 10.2
and all updates. I installed 10.2.4 today hoping it would fix it, but no
luck. It is reasonably "vanilla" installation with no third party stuff
running except for Norton AntiVirus and Classic is only used for Outlook.

Sometimes the Dock is not updating the open applications' icons with the
triangle or removing this when the app is quit. Occasionally the dock
decides to stop responding altogether. The magnification works, but clicking
on the icons has no effect. Very frustrating.

I have searched to the best of my ability through Apple's KB, but didn't
find anything appropriate. Would it be a case of a corrupted preference as
used to occur in OS9? 

Thanks
Anthony
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Science and Mathematics Education Centre
School of Applied Science
Curtin University of Technology
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Building 220, Room 209 Phone: +618 9266 3596
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Re: slow Mail in OS 10.2

[hinchlif]

On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 11:35 AM, gary dorn wrote:

> iMac A with 384 MB
> now OS 10.2
> 9.2.1
> & 8.6
>
> 1. Mail in Jaguar is very slow, ie 5- 10 minutes to get a message
> and I have had 120 -30 emails to get, gave up and went to OS8.6 and
> got them with Eudora 4.2
>
> Is this normal

Not in my experience. Mail downloads new mail as quickly as anything 
else I've used.


>
> 2. Any idea on how I can get addresses form Eudora inot either
> Address book or Mail in Jaguar.
> I installed Eudora 5.1 (from WMUG CD vol 1 or 2, ?), has vcard thingy
> but not to sure if they help in exporting addresses
>
>
If you can export Eudora addresses as vCards then they will import just 
fine into Address Book (which is a Good Thing To Do even if you don't 
use Mail, since the 10.2 Address Book is system-wide and used by other 
software than just Mail).

-- 
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Apwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, 
Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Fax (618) 9332 0913

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.



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Re: slow Mail in OS 10.2

[Daniel]

iMac A with 384 MB
now OS 10.2
9.2.1
& 8.6

1. Mail in Jaguar is very slow, ie 5- 10 minutes to get a message
and I have had 120 -30 emails to get, gave up and went to OS8.6 and
got them with Eudora 4.2

Is this normal and is ther any way to speed it up.

2. Any idea on how I can get addresses form Eudora inot either
Address book or Mail in Jaguar.
I installed Eudora 5.1 (from WMUG CD vol 1 or 2, ?), has vcard thingy
but not to sure if they help in exporting addresses



Why don't you use Eudora for OS X, which is one of the few programs 
that you can set up to use the same "Eudora" folder, so should you 
have to boot into OS 8.6 or 9, then you have the same emails across 
all your operating systems, rather than having different emails in 
Eudora, Mail, etc for OS X, OS 9 amd OS 8.6..


That is the way I do it. One Eudora folder, then I can see all my 
email regardless of whether I'm in OS 9 or X. :o)


Kind Regards
Daniel Kerr
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slow Mail in OS 10.2

[gary dorn]

iMac A with 384 MB
now OS 10.2
9.2.1
& 8.6

1. Mail in Jaguar is very slow, ie 5- 10 minutes to get a message 
and I have had 120 -30 emails to get, gave up and went to OS8.6 and 
got them with Eudora 4.2


Is this normal and is ther any way to speed it up.

2. Any idea on how I can get addresses form Eudora inot either 
Address book or Mail in Jaguar.
I installed Eudora 5.1 (from WMUG CD vol 1 or 2, ?), has vcard thingy 
but not to sure if they help in exporting addresses


any thoughts would be appreciated.
chow
Gary Dorn
Permaculture architect
North Perth
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Security Vulnerability in Mac OS X 10.2

[Martin Hill]

Here's another reason to upgrade to 10.2.3

If you are running Mac OS X 10.2 or Mac OS X Server 10.2 and you have 
printer sharing turned on, make sure you upgrade to 10.2.3 or this 
vulnerability in the CUPS sub-system could allow malicious hackers 
root access to your Mac.


-Mart

--

Details:

Richard Blanchard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) of Apple said the following:

"Affected Systems:
Mac OS X 10.2 - Mac OS X 10.2.2
Mac OS X Server 10.2 - Mac OS X Server 10.2.2
Mitigating Factors: The described vulnerability can be remotely
exploited only when Printer Sharing is enabled. Printer Sharing is not
enabled by default on Mac OS X or Mac OS X Server.
Fixed in: Mac OS X 10.2.3 and Mac OS X Server 10.2.3"




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ESB-2002.716 -- iDEFENSE Security Advisory 12.19.02
Multiple Security Vulnerabilities in Common Unix Printing System (CUPS)
20 December 2002

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Product: CUPS (Common Unix Printing System)
Vendor: iDEFENSE
Operating System: Linux
UNIX
Mac OS X
Impact: Root Compromise
Denial of Service
Overwrite Arbitrary Files
Access Required: Remote

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iDEFENSE Security Advisory 12.19.02:
http://www.idefense.com/advisory/12.19.02.txt
Multiple Security Vulnerabilities in Common Unix Printing System (CUPS)
December 19, 2002


I. BACKGROUND

Easy Software Products' Common Unix Printing System (CUPS) is a
cross-platform printing solution for Unix environments. It is based on the
"Internet Printing Protocol," and provides complete printing services to
most PostScript and raster printers. CUPS has a web-based graphical
interface for printer management and is available on most Linux systems.
More information is available at http://www.cups.org .

The following major vendors are known to distribute CUPS by default; in
some cases, it is the default printing implementation used as well:

Apple Computer Inc.
Debian Project
FreeBSD Project
MandrakeSoft Inc.
NetBSD Foundation
Red Hat Inc.
Slackware Linux Inc.
SuSE Inc.
The SCO Group
Turbolinux Inc.

II. DESCRIPTION

Exploitation of multiple CUPS vulnerabilities allow local and remote
attackers in the worst of the scenarios to gain root privileges. The
following test platforms were used for various parts of this advisory:

[1] - Red Hat Linux 7.0 running CUPS-1.1.14-5 (RPM)
[2] - Red Hat Linux 7.3 running CUPS-1.1.14-15 (RPM)
[3] - Red Hat Linux 7.3 running CUPS-1.1.17 (Source Install)



 ISSUE 1 - Multiple Integer Overflows 

An integer overflow exists in the CUPSd http interface. Exploitation
allows an attacker to gain the permissions of the 'lp' user id and the
'sys' group id. The offending lines of code can be found in cgi-bin/var.c:

var = form_vars + form_count;
var->name = strdup(name);
var->nvalues = element + 1;
var->avalues = element + 1;
var->values = calloc(element + 1, sizeof(char *));
var->values[element] = strdup(value);

Since an attacker has control over both element and value, he or she can
overwrite the address of a soon-to-be called function with the address of
arbitrary code. The following is a successful run of the vanilla-coke
exploit ran against test platform [1] built against glibc-2.2.4-18.7.0.8:

$ ./vanilla-coke

$ ls -l /tmp/suid
- - - - - -rwsrwsr-x 1 lp sys 14093 Dec 4 07:50 /tmp/suid

$ /tmp/suid
sh-2.04$ id
uid=4(lp) gid=3(sys) groups=500(farmer)

The exploit created a set user id 'lp' shell. While the current exploit
works only against systems utilizing glibc-2.2.4-18.7.0.8, it is possible
to make modifications that will make it effective against earlier glibc
versions. The vulnerable code also exists in the latest version of CUPS
(test platform [3]) and appears to be exploitable with slight
modifications.

Multiple integer overflows also exist in the image handling code of the
filters in CUPS. The following is a successful run of the mksun exploit
tested against platform [1]:

$ ls -al /tmp/resulted
/bin/ls: /tmp/resulted: No such file or directory

$ ./mksun | lp
request id is lp-100 (1 file(s))

$ cat /tmp/resulted
Ok.
uid=4(lp) gid=3(sys)
groups=0(root),1(bin),2(daemon),3(sys),4(adm),6(disk),10(wheel),40(dip)

This vulnerability still exists in the latest version of CUPS (test
platform [3]) slight modification of the exploit code is required.



 ISSUE 2 - /etc/cups/certs/ Race Condition 

A race condition exists in the creation of /etc/cups/certs/. This
allows a local attacker to create or overwrite any file as root. A
prerequisite to launching this attack is 'lp' user privileges, which can

Re: OS 8.6 and OS 10.2

[Shay Telfer]

question

can I install OS 10.2 and use it , whilst also maintaining use of OS
8.6 (albiet as a separate boot I suppose, not in classic)


You might be able to do it if you installed 9 and X on a separate 
drive and left another drive an 8.6. It would be a bit more difficult 
to get it to work on the same partitioned drive though.



I am not particularly interested in going to OS 9 as I have to then
update my printer driver($150) for no bloody benefit unless somebody
has powerprint USB 5.0 for less than $50.


You may be able to get GimpPrint to drive the printer

<http://www.allosx.com/1031418660/1031761917/1033352526/index_html>

Have fun,
Shay
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OS 8.6 and OS 10.2

[gary dorn]

iMac rev A 233 with 384Mb ram
have 25mg hd with 1 volume mac OS extended hfs+ 19.58 MB with 17.2MB 
free titled Macintosh HD with system folder(OS 8.6), documents folder
1 volume Mac Os extended HFS+ 5.94 MB with 4.9 MB 
free titled Software drive with productive software ie business app, 
3d apps. web apps, utilities apps, and installer files


printing is a a must as this is a daily used machined (for business purposes)

principal software used are:
appleworks 5.05
domus cad 11.2
eudora pro 4.2.1
icab 2.8
netscpe navigator 4.08
excel 98
powerprint USB 4.7 for printing to HP laserjet IIIp, Epson stylus pro 1000

question

can I install OS 10.2 and use it , whilst also maintaining use of OS 
8.6 (albiet as a separate boot I suppose, not in classic)


I am not particularly interested in going to OS 9 as I have to then 
update my printer driver($150) for no bloody benefit unless somebody 
has powerprint USB 5.0 for less than $50.


chow
Gary Dorn
Permaculture architect

Thooggoorrbu Trust
Designers of Sustainable Human Settlements

Re: Loading Classic with 10.2

[Shay Telfer]

At boot up a MacOS 9.2 window appears with a smiling face momentarily
in the centre. The extensions icons then appear as loading at the
bottom of the window. When they are finished the 'twiddled' page is
blank but has a 'header' with the heading "Classic Environment
starting from "/Macintosh HD/System Folder", the pulsing (twirling?)
progress bar at the top left, an option to hide Mac OS9 desktop
window. The progress bar rapidly progresses until the last cm where
it seems to hang.


Try rebooting from OS X into Mac OS 9 directly. Sometimes this seems 
to allow OS 9 to fix things up a bit.



Is it possible to create a document with AppleWorks 6 in 10.2 and
then transfer it to the Classic environment for printing?


Given that you can now print to ImageWriters from Mac OS X with a bit 
of fiddling, I'd expect you can now print to LaserWriter Select 300's 
too! You might need to fool around (or find someone to help) with the 
CUPS drivers:


<http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=94016>

Thanks,
Shay
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Loading Classic with 10.2

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

At 10:35 PM +0800 17/11/02, Shay Telfer wrote:

>When in 10.2 and I attempt to open an application that is not

supported, Classic commences to load.

The horizontal barbers pole in the Classic window keep twirling for
minutes - last effort 7 minutes. When I clicked outside the Classic
window it disappeared and I was able to use the application.

Does the twirling barber's pole ever stop?


What's the 'Classic' window displaying? Happy Mac? Icons? A dialog?
You'll need to have the triangle in the classic startup window
'twiddled' to show what Classic's doing as it boots.


At boot up a MacOS 9.2 window appears with a smiling face momentarily 
in the centre. The extensions icons then appear as loading at the 
bottom of the window. When they are finished the 'twiddled' page is 
blank but has a 'header' with the heading "Classic Environment 
starting from "/Macintosh HD/System Folder", the pulsing (twirling?) 
progress bar at the top left, an option to hide Mac OS9 desktop 
window. The progress bar rapidly progresses until the last cm where 
it seems to hang.


HOWEVER, last night the MacOS 9.2 window disappeared after several 
minutes and the "old" Apple emblem appeared in the top left corner of 
the screen. I could then access the Chooser and print a document 
from my pre-10.2 version of Eudora on my old LaserWriter.


Is it possible to create a document with AppleWorks 6 in 10.2 and 
then transfer it to the Classic environment for printing?


Is restarting in OS 9.2 the only solution?

Merv

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also believe in order to see." 

Re: Loading Class with 10.2

[Shay Telfer]

When in 10.2 and I attempt to open an application that is not
supported, Classic commences to load.

The horizontal barbers pole in the Classic window keep twirling for
minutes - last effort 7 minutes. When I clicked outside the Classic
window it disappeared and I was able to use the application.

Does the twirling barber's pole ever stop?


What's the 'Classic' window displaying? Happy Mac? Icons? A dialog? 
You'll need to have the triangle in the classic startup window 
'twiddled' to show what Classic's doing as it boots.


Thanks,
Shay

Loading Class with 10.2

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

When in 10.2 and I attempt to open an application that is not 
supported, Classic commences to load.


The horizontal barbers pole in the Classic window keep twirling for 
minutes - last effort 7 minutes. When I clicked outside the Classic 
window it disappeared and I was able to use the application.


Does the twirling barber's pole ever stop?

Merv
--
"Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must 
also believe in order to see." 

Re: Palm 4/Mac 10.2

[Shay Telfer]

Since I loaded Mac 10.2 onto my new imac, and the Palm 4 upgrade I have had
trouble synching my husband's Palm. Someone suggested Isync, but that did
not work (would not update, and lost a lot of data).

Two things happen
1) the desktop software won't open the user files. When you shift from none
to the user name, the boxes of info appear then disappear. If I point to
open in the file menu the same thing happens. I can force it to open by
opening the archive files, but it doesn't hold.


You might need to try moving the user's data out of the way and 
downloading a fresh copy. To do this, move the folder


/Users/username/Palm/Users

somewhere else, and then re-run Palm desktop. It should download 
everything from your Palm onto the Mac. If that doesn't work you can 
always move the folder you just moved back.


You can also try quitting Palm Desktop and deleting the file

/Users/username/Library/Preferences

(Where of course, 'username' is the appropriate username in the above examples)

Good luck,
Shay
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Re: Palm 4/Mac 10.2

[Goodall-Smith]

On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 07:01 PM, Sojourn wrote:

> Since I loaded Mac 10.2 onto my new imac, and the Palm 4 upgrade I 
> have had
> trouble synching my husband's Palm.

Same thing with me... Most of your problems I have had in the past and 
unfortunately cannot remember the exact cure but I know it involved 
making copies and deleting old files and re-entering preferences... 
Can't be much help in this area I'm afraid.

One thing I have noticed is that I cannot backup using G4 Now using 
10.2.2 The only thing that works is shutting down the computer 
giving it a minute and re-starting it. Restarting alone does not cure 
the problem for some reason. Once it has restarted I can run my Palm 
backup no problem. I think that it is either Internet Connect or Print 
Centre that causes the problem once it is run.

Good luck, I will be watching your responses with interest...


Phil

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Palm 4/Mac 10.2

[Sojourn]

Since I loaded Mac 10.2 onto my new imac, and the Palm 4 upgrade I have had
trouble synching my husband's Palm. Someone suggested Isync, but that did
not work (would not update, and lost a lot of data).

Two things happen
1) the desktop software won't open the user files. When you shift from none
to the user name, the boxes of info appear then disappear. If I point to
open in the file menu the same thing happens. I can force it to open by
opening the archive files, but it doesn't hold.

2) the synch doesn't verify, the log indicates "system error" and the files
(when I open them) are not updated)

What is peculiar is that the synching has worked a couple of times, but now
just refuses.

As we shifted from PCs after 12 years so that my husband would find using a
computer easier, I would really like an answer. (He had no trouble synching
with Windows!)

Rosemary Horton

Apache Web Server PHP for 10.2

[Scott Palmer]

One note.

When enabling PHP for the Apache Web Server in OS 10.2
the httpd.conf file will not contain the following (as outlined in the
tutorial)

# For example, the PHP 3.x module will typically use:
#
# AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3
# AddType application/x-httpd-php3-source .phps
#
# And for PHP 4.x, use:
#
# AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
# AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps


Instead you can add the following:

'AddType application/x-httpd-php .php'

after

'AddType application/x-tar .tgz'

In the "httpd.conf" file.



Reference: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/cs_msg/9606


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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 02:46:40 +0800
To: Wamug 
Subject: Apache Web Server in OSX

Anyone wanting to set-up the built-in Apache server in OSX?
Here is a good guide to setting it up.

http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2001/12/07/apache.html
<http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2001/12/07/apache.html>

Regards,
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Handy MacOS X 10.2 trick

[hinchlif]

Fresh from the latest issue of Apple eNews:

With MacOS X v10.2, you now have yet another option for capturing 
screen shots. Apart from cmd-Shift-3 (captures entire screen) and 
cmd-Shift-4 (select an area) you now have this feature:

Immediately hit the spacebar after typing cmd-Shift-4. Instead of 
crosshairs, you'll see a little camera. Move the camera around to 
highlight the Dock, the menu bar, the desktop, or any open window. Then 
just click the mouse button to "snap" a screen shot. In fact, with this 
option, you can entirely eliminate the desktop when you capture a 
screen shot of an individual window.

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Re: Modem dropout on 10.2

[James Kunz]

i'm just wondering if you have the same trouble as i had during the last
month but in os9, after time consuming tests i found that the modem
negotiates the highest speed possible thus getting unstable..
i tryalled a few different scripts with no usable result, then i
"crackt" a script and blockt off the lines where it want to negotiate
speeds above 42k...result: fare more stable connection
below you see a section of my suprafax script and where you see a
exclamation mark & a space before the comment that means the lines are
comments only..and not executed
good luck and anyway many thank to all who gave comment to "modem
disconnects" 2-3 month ago..James



@LABEL 33
matchclr
matchstr 1 40 "2400\13"
matchstr 2 40 "2400/"
matchstr 3 41 "4800\13"
matchstr 4 41 "4800/"
matchstr 5 42 "7200"
matchstr 6 43 "9600"
matchstr 7 44 "12000"
matchstr 8 45 "14400"
matchstr 9 46 "16800"
matchstr 10 47 "19200"
matchstr 11 48 "21600"
matchstr 12 49 "24000"
matchstr 13 50 "26400"
matchstr 14 51 "28800"
matchstr 15 52 "31200"
matchstr 16 53 "33600"
matchstr 17 54 "38400"
! matchstr 18 55 "48000"
! matchstr 19 56 "56000"
! matchstr 20 57 "57600"
! matchstr 21 58 "64000"
! matchstr 22 110 "32000"
! matchstr 23 111 "34000"
! matchstr 24 112 "36000"
! matchstr 25 113 "38000"
! matchstr 26 114 "4"
! matchstr 27 115 "42000"
! matchstr 28 116 "44000"
! matchstr 29 117 "46000"
! matchstr 30 118 "5"
! matchstr 31 119 "52000"
! matchstr 32 120 "54000"
matchstr 33 73 "2933"
matchstr 34 74 "3066"
matchstr 35 75 ""
matchstr 36 76 "3466"
matchstr 37 77 "3733"
matchstr 38 78 "3866"
matchstr 39 79 "4133"
matchstr 40 83 "4266"
matchstr 41 84 "4533"
matchstr 42 85 "4666"
matchstr 43 86 "4933"
matchstr 44 87 "5066"
matchstr 45 88 "5333"
matchstr 46 89 "5466"
matchread 30
jump 59

















Vladimir James wrote:
> 
> I'm being disconnected without warning almost half the time I manage to
> connect using 10.2 on an iMac (17"). My G3 with external modem does not
> have that problem. When I advised Apple support/au they referred me to the
> modem updater referred to in document 106928/. However, that updater
> clearly states that it is not required for 10.2.
> 
> I suppose I'll have to wait around until the problem becomes more
> widespread before I find a solution.
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
> Vlad James
> 
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Re: Modem dropout on 10.2

[Andrew Nielsen]

Try using the Zoom V Series modem script. It worked OK for me on a 
similar machine.


***

At 21:57 +0800 18/9/02, Vladimir James wrote:

I'm being disconnected without warning almost half the time I manage to
connect using 10.2 on an iMac (17"). My G3 with external modem does not
have that problem. When I advised Apple support/au they referred me to the
modem updater referred to in document 106928/. However, that updater
clearly states that it is not required for 10.2.

I suppose I'll have to wait around until the problem becomes more
widespread before I find a solution.

Suggestions?

Vlad James



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Modem dropout on 10.2

[Vladimir James]

I'm being disconnected without warning almost half the time I manage to 
connect using 10.2 on an iMac (17"). My G3 with external modem does not 
have that problem. When I advised Apple support/au they referred me to the 
modem updater referred to in document 106928/. However, that updater 
clearly states that it is not required for 10.2.

I suppose I'll have to wait around until the problem becomes more 
widespread before I find a solution.

Suggestions?

Vlad James

Re: 10.2 modem connection preference

[Shay Telfer]

From Shay:


So you're saying that the "Disconnect when user logs out" in the PPP
options window is *un*checked?


Yep. No amount of checking and unchecking appears to rectify the
problem.


You could try deleting the appropriate .plist file.


Nothing unusual in the Console logs of either machine that I could see.
The panic log on the Pismo had the following (Please let me know if
this suggests a possible solution, as I lack the skills to interpret
such info):



Looks like there's a problem with the serial drivers which are 
causing the problem. 10.2.1 is out tomorrow most probably, and one of 
the fixes it includes is


* Addresses various potential kernel panic situations.

So you might be lucky :)

Have fun,
Shay
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Re: 10.2 modem connection preference

[Matt Huitson]

*Selected editing of two previous posts


My problem: the PPP system preference which should allow my
modem connection to remain active between logouts does not appear to 
be

working.



From Andrew:



There appear to be some problems with recent G4 Mac internal modems
(including the iMac flat screen), and also (separate from the first
issue) problems with Telstra in particular under Mac OS X prior to
10.2.


Yep I found the Apple KB reference to this, but I failed to find any 
specific reference to G3 models such as my iMac or Pismo. Perhaps in 
10.2 it is a new problem. I'd be interested to hear from anyone with a 
similar setup who can confirm or refute such behaviour.



From Shay:



So you're saying that the "Disconnect when user logs out" in the PPP
options window is *un*checked?


Yep. No amount of checking and unchecking appears to rectify the 
problem.


I get a previously unseen error message (thoughtfully replicated in 
about 6

different languages) informing me that I must restart my computer
immediately.


Use the Console utility to check to see if there's anything obvious
in there, or check out the file /Library/Logs/panic.log which should
provide some info.


Nothing unusual in the Console logs of either machine that I could see. 
The panic log on the Pismo had the following (Please let me know if 
this suggests a possible solution, as I lack the skills to interpret 
such info):


panic(cpu 0): We can't get a mutex interlock lock on mutex_lock

Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x0008593C 0x00085D6C 0x00028B8C 0x0008D58C 0x11C7A6D8 
0x11C76564 0x11C75AB4 0x11C6BE1C
0x11C6B4E4 0x11C6A2F8 0x000BCC64 0x001CE9E0 0x001CEAE0 
0x00203A1C 0x00092830 0x00410041

Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.driver.AppleSCCSerial(1.2.3)@0x11c72000
dependency: 
com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily(6.0.1d19)@0x11c67000

com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily(6.0.1d19)@0x11c67000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x11C27000)
PC=0x9000B6AC; MSR=0xD030; DAR=0x11D253CD; DSISR=0x4200; 
LR=0x628C; R1=0xB5B0; XCP=0x0030

(0xC00 - System call)



Thanks, Matt



Matt Huitson
Dept of Psychology
University of Western Australia
Nedlands, WA 6009
Work: +61 89380 3639
Mobile: 0414 294 770

Re: 10.2 modem connection preference

[Andrew Nielsen]

There appear to be some problems with recent G4 Mac internal modems 
(including the iMac flat screen), and also (separate from the first 
issue) problems with Telstra in particular under Mac OS X prior to 
10.2.


See 
<http://kbase.info.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/kbase.woa/126/wa/query?searchMode=Expert&type=id&val=KC.106928> 
for more info.

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Re: 10.2 modem connection preference

[Shay Telfer]

After a brief search of the usual haunts, I can't seem to find a
reference to this problem and would value confirmation of it's
existence on someone else's system, or directions to a URL of
relevance. My problem: the PPP system preference which should allow my
modem connection to remain active between logouts does not appear to be
working.


So you're saying that the "Disconnect when user logs out" in the PPP 
options window is *un*checked?



On my iMac 400 DVD, I am disconnected before logout is
completed, whilst on my Pismo 500, and this is more alarming, I get a
previously unseen error message (thoughtfully replicated in about 6
different languages) informing me that I must restart my computer
immediately. Any thoughts?


That message is a kernel panic, which is a bad sign.

Use the Console utility to check to see if there's anything obvious 
in there, or check out the file /Library/Logs/panic.log which should 
provide some info.


Thanks,
Shay
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10.2 modem connection preference

[Matt Huitson]

Hi all,

After a brief search of the usual haunts, I can't seem to find a 
reference to this problem and would value confirmation of it's 
existence on someone else's system, or directions to a URL of 
relevance. My problem: the PPP system preference which should allow my 
modem connection to remain active between logouts does not appear to be 
working. On my iMac 400 DVD, I am disconnected before logout is 
completed, whilst on my Pismo 500, and this is more alarming, I get a 
previously unseen error message (thoughtfully replicated in about 6 
different languages) informing me that I must restart my computer 
immediately. Any thoughts?


TIA, Matt.


Matt Huitson
Dept of Psychology
University of Western Australia
Nedlands, WA 6009
Work: +61 89380 3639
Mobile: 0414 294 770

Re: 10.2 oddity

[Shay Telfer]

Yes I've actually got a mirroe of my account having first selected the
10.2 upgrade option and then later having to do a full reinstall.

I'm not having any problems with anything quitting but I don't like
having a mirrored User account either. I've exhausted all ideas so far
on trying to get rid of this.


You might be able to use Net Info Manager to clean it up, but a) take 
a backup first and b) don't do anything if you're not sure about what 
you're doing :)


Have fun,
Shay
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Re: 10.2 oddity

[Keith Palmer]

Yes I've actually got a mirroe of my account having first selected the 
10.2 upgrade option and then later having to do a full reinstall.


I'm not having any problems with anything quitting but I don't like 
having a mirrored User account either. I've exhausted all ideas so far 
on trying to get rid of this.


On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 12:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



In my 10.2 System Preferences there is a pane called "Login". Whenever
I try to access this, System Preferences unceremoniously quits. As I
now have control over login preferences from "Accounts" and "Login
Items" (now included in "Other" I suspect that "Login" is the legacy
item from 10.1.5, which had been put back by the "Clean Install and
Archive" option, and as such should be removed.


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Phone: 0419927101 Fax: 0897915900
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Re: 10.2 Address Book/Mail

[Shay Telfer]

Hi Folks
Is there any reason to consider using Mail and Address Book from 10.2
INSTEAD of Entourage X?
I don't seem to be able to import my contacts from Entourage.
Ta
Rod


Eventually the Address Book will be the central repository of address 
information on your Mac that all applications will link to (like your 
e-mail application, iChat, your calendar, etc. So at some stage it'd 
be good to have all your addresses in there (especially when iSync 
arrives). But you don't have to do anything until then (well, unless 
you're using Bluetooth to talk to your mobile phone, in which case 
Address book adds functionality now).


Mail.app I still probably wouldn't worry about for a bit.

Have fun,
Shay
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Re: 10.2 Address Book/Mail

[Gordon Morris]

Rod
Entourage 2001 will export contacts as .vcf which can be imported into 
Mail. However your distribution lists won't come in, you need to 
recreate them. The best way I found of doing that is to drag the 
original contact from the group to a desktop folder (the alias in the 
list won't work). Then you create your group in Address Book and 
import the desktop folder contents to it. The only blob is that you 
will have duplicate entries in the All group.


Gordo


On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 08:13 AM, Rod Blitvich wrote:


Hi Folks
Is there any reason to consider using Mail and Address Book from 10.2
INSTEAD of Entourage X?
I don't seem to be able to import my contacts from Entourage.
Ta
Rod
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Re: 10.2 Address Book/Mail

[Daniel Forsdyke]

The main problem at the moment is that my email programs download multiple
copies of each message. I think it is probably related to the ISP - e-wire.
I have three email acounts with them and I believe the problem stems from
the fact that all three accounts utilise the same login and password -
strange but true!!

Any thoughts or possible solutions greatfully accepted!!

I was planning on talking to the ISP to see if the accounts can have their
login's changed?

Regards
Daniel F

On 08/09/2002 10:55, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 08:31 AM, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:
> 
>> I've had nothing but problems with Mail.app so far. It has trouble
>> retrieving mail from my ISP mailbox's.
>> 
>> At the moment I'm running Office v.X Test Drive and Entourage is
>> running
>> pretty well.
>> 
>> Admittedly I haven't transferred contact details into Address Book yet
>> as
>> I've only been running OS X.2 since early hours of Friday morning.
>> 
>> We'll see how it goes?
>> 
>> 
> 
> I loaded MacOS 10.2 yesterday with nary a hitch, and fired up Mail last
> night. It handled all my mail easily, with the exception of an IMAP
> account I keep track of. Mail kept complaining that it was not
> accessible, to the point where Mail would hang trying to read it. This
> morning everything is back to normal, including IMAP. Yay.
> 
> The only gripe I have about the new incarnation of Mail is that it
> displays dates in US format, regardless of the settings in Date & Time.
> Can't get it to change its mind.


Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive.

OS-10.2 Mail

[Goodall-Smith - Psychological Health Care]

Hi again,

I have hunted high and low but cannot find a way to change the printed 
font preference in Mail... At the moment it it printing in what looks 
like about 8pt

I can view in different fonts and sizes and can compose mail in 
different fonts, sizes and colours etc but cannot find a way to adjust 
the font when I want to print a mail document...

I am sure I am overlooking the obvious and the mail help function 
doesn't help with this so any suggestions would be welcomed...

Thanks,

Phil

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Office: 08-93715455
Facsimile:  08-93715975
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FTP Problems in Dreamweaver with 10.2

[Scott Palmer]

Hi all,

If anyone experiences strange problems with Dreamweaver MX in OS10.2.

Eg: Constantly ³waiting for server², ³Cannot establish connection²,
³connection timed out², etc. etc.

When they shouldn¹t be appearing. Try setting the FTP timeout to 30sec.
There seems to be a strange glitch that makes dream weaver crash constantly
and display strange alerts if its set to 60sec in 10.2

Regards,
scott


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Re: 10.2 oddity

[hinchlif]

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 12:33 PM, Larry Pohl wrote:

> Hmm. I don't have a pane called "Login" anywhere in System prefs but I
> do have "Login Items" in the Personal section. The only panes in
> "Other" are others.
>
> My install was a new one but I later copied the Users directory and a
> bunch of other stuff over - a dirty install, I guess.
>
>

On my system the "Login" pane is in the Personal section, and "Login 
Items" is in Other. Obviously, this is a stuff-up. I think it''s time 
to exercise my Administrator rights...


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Re: 10.2 oddity

[Larry Pohl]

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 12:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



In my 10.2 System Preferences there is a pane called "Login". Whenever
I try to access this, System Preferences unceremoniously quits. As I
now have control over login preferences from "Accounts" and "Login
Items" (now included in "Other" I suspect that "Login" is the legacy
item from 10.1.5, which had been put back by the "Clean Install and
Archive" option, and as such should be removed.

Has anyone else had this problem?

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Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Fax (618) 9332 0913



Hmm. I don't have a pane called "Login" anywhere in System prefs but I 
do have "Login Items" in the Personal section. The only panes in 
"Other" are others.


My install was a new one but I later copied the Users directory and a 
bunch of other stuff over - a dirty install, I guess.


Larry

10.2 oddity

[hinchlif]

In my 10.2 System Preferences there is a pane called "Login". Whenever 
I try to access this, System Preferences unceremoniously quits. As I 
now have control over login preferences from "Accounts" and "Login 
Items" (now included in "Other" I suspect that "Login" is the legacy 
item from 10.1.5, which had been put back by the "Clean Install and 
Archive" option, and as such should be removed.

Has anyone else had this problem?

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Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Fax (618) 9332 0913

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.


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Fwd: 10.2 Address Book/Mail

[Stephen Atherton]

Hi Rod,

Changed to "Mail" recently from "Entourage" after a decade on "Eudora". 
Change, they tell me, is good for the soul.


I like it. Especially Junk filter which is better than Entourages. I do 
empathise (I can't say "agree" as an Apple employee) with the issues 
raised regarding U.S.-centric behaviour (dates, spelling).


To import contacts from Entourage, just drag the contacts into a folder 
on the desktop. They'll be .vcf files which can then just be dragged 
into the Address Book.


Cheers


Begin forwarded message:
From: Rod Blitvich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun Sep 8, 2002 10:13:51 AM Australia/Brisbane
To: WAMUG Email List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 10.2 Address Book/Mail

Hi Folks
Is there any reason to consider using Mail and Address Book from 10.2
INSTEAD of Entourage X?
I don't seem to be able to import my contacts from Entourage.
Ta
Rod
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Re: 10.2 Address Book/Mail

[hinchlif]

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 08:31 AM, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

> I've had nothing but problems with Mail.app so far. It has trouble
> retrieving mail from my ISP mailbox's.
>
> At the moment I'm running Office v.X Test Drive and Entourage is 
> running
> pretty well.
>
> Admittedly I haven't transferred contact details into Address Book yet 
> as
> I've only been running OS X.2 since early hours of Friday morning.
>
> We'll see how it goes?
>
>

I loaded MacOS 10.2 yesterday with nary a hitch, and fired up Mail last 
night. It handled all my mail easily, with the exception of an IMAP 
account I keep track of. Mail kept complaining that it was not 
accessible, to the point where Mail would hang trying to read it. This 
morning everything is back to normal, including IMAP. Yay.

The only gripe I have about the new incarnation of Mail is that it 
displays dates in US format, regardless of the settings in Date & Time. 
Can't get it to change its mind.

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Re: 10.2 Address Book/Mail

[Daniel Forsdyke]

On 08/09/2002 8:13, "Rod Blitvich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Folks
> Is there any reason to consider using Mail and Address Book from 10.2
> INSTEAD of Entourage X?
> I don't seem to be able to import my contacts from Entourage.
> Ta
> Rod

Hi Rod

I've had nothing but problems with Mail.app so far. It has trouble
retrieving mail from my ISP mailbox's.

At the moment I'm running Office v.X Test Drive and Entourage is running
pretty well.

Admittedly I haven't transferred contact details into Address Book yet as
I've only been running OS X.2 since early hours of Friday morning.

We'll see how it goes?

Regards
Daniel F

Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive.

10.2 Address Book/Mail

[Rod Blitvich]

Hi Folks
Is there any reason to consider using Mail and Address Book from 10.2
INSTEAD of Entourage X?
I don't seem to be able to import my contacts from Entourage.
Ta
Rod
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Re: OS 10.2 & HP drivers

[Shay Telfer]

I contacted HP because the HP set up assistant kept stalling when I tried to
install the latest available driver for an OfficeJet G85.




It appears that as of 23rd of August HP have posted some new drivers 
for Jaguar users. Although they don't list the G85, it might be worth 
a try (it does list improved speed as one fix) using the Deskjet 
drivers.


Thanks to Richard Jenkins for the tipoff.

Have fun,
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10.2 DVD Player and burnt DVDs

[Rod]

Hi All!

Just wondering if anyone has had problems playing burnt DVD disks in 10.2.
I have tried disks burnt with iDVD as well as disks with a Panasonic
standalone burner. The disks have been the Apple branded variety.

I have searched the usual avenues (WAMUG archives, Kbase, Macintouch...) but
there is no mention of this problem.

Any thoughts before I escalate?

Seeya

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Re: Arstechnica reviews 10.2

[Shay Telfer]

A worthwhile review of Jaguar:

<http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/02q3/macosx-10.2/macosx-10.2-3.html>


Or even better, you could start on page 1!

<http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/02q3/macosx-10.2/macosx-10.2-1.html>

Have fun,
Shay
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Arstechnica reviews 10.2

[Shay Telfer]

A worthwhile review of Jaguar:

<http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/02q3/macosx-10.2/macosx-10.2-3.html>

Have fun,
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OS 10.2 & HP drivers

[Michael Hawkins]

I contacted HP because the HP set up assistant kept stalling when I tried to
install the latest available driver for an OfficeJet G85.

The response was prompt (which is good) but the news was bad (which is not
so good). To quote:

"Thank you for contacting Hewlett-Packard's Product Support Technical
Center.

OfficeJet printers currently do not function with Macintosh OS 10.2.
Hewlett-Packard is aware of this issue and is working to provide a solution.
We apologize for any inconveniences this may cause, and presently we
recommend continuing to use OS 10.1 until a solution to the issue is found.

Please visit our web page at http://www.hp.com periodically and click on
Drivers to check for driver updates. You can also sign up for Driver Update
Notification from the same page. The Driver Update Notification system will
notify you by email whenever new drivers for your product are released. We
apologize, but currently there is no ETA for OS 10.2 driver availability.

Once again, thank you for contacting Hewlett-Packard's Product Support
Technical Center."

To look on the bright side, it may yet be that after having had the
OfficeJet for 20 months I'll be able to use it at some where near what the
advertisements said it would do when I paid in excess of $1400 to buy it.

In future I will take my PowerBook with me and ask to see the device working
before I pay.

Michael Hawkins.

Replacement Clock for 10.2

[Goodall-Smith - Psychological Health Care]

Hi,

Just found a great little program to replace the clock in OS-10.2...

I found it in Version Tracker... It's only 85k in size and the download 
page is :

http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=7766&db=macosx

It gives all the features that you could want in a clock as well as 
providing a cool pop down calendar as well... The many options all 
work great and it's FREE and it looks great! Giving the option top 
change fonts, size and colour as well...

I get excited easily...

Phil

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Re: Palm Sync & 10.2

[Shay Telfer]

I actually got a pleasant surprise when I discovered that I could synch my
Palm Vx with PD under 10.2 using IR on a TiPB - it never worked with any
other version of OS X. I haven't tried USB though and it sounds like you
are probably trying over USB.


Works fine for me via a Keyspan USB adapter (or IR). I did have to go 
and re-select the port in the HotSync manager though.


Have fun,
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Re: Palm Sync & 10.2

[Greg Pennefather]

I actually got a pleasant surprise when I discovered that I could synch my
Palm Vx with PD under 10.2 using IR on a TiPB - it never worked with any
other version of OS X. I haven't tried USB though and it sounds like you
are probably trying over USB.

Good luck.

Greg




on 3/9/02 8:23 PM, Goodall-Smith - Psychological Health Care at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Has anyone else had a problem with using Palm Sync since upgrading to
> 10.2 ?...
> 
> I am using a Palm IIIx and have had no problems for quite a while using
> older versions of System 10... I have just tried to Sync using my
> recently installed 10.2 and it does nothing other than tell me it could
> not connect and to check my settings which I have and they appear to be
> OK... (I am using Palm Desktop 4)... on a G4/867/384
> 
> I have checked for any updates to Palm software wince OS-10.2 but there
> appears to be nothing newer that Palm Desktop 4.
> 
> I am not keen on scrapping things and starting again as when I have
> tried this approach in the past it has caused me nightmares, cold
> sweats and sleepless nights... I understand just enough about all of
> this to be a danger to myself...
> 
> Any ideas would be much appreciated...
> 
> Thanks in hope,
> 
> Phil
> 
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Palm Sync & 10.2

[Goodall-Smith - Psychological Health Care]

Has anyone else had a problem with using Palm Sync since upgrading to 
10.2 ?...

I am using a Palm IIIx and have had no problems for quite a while using 
older versions of System 10... I have just tried to Sync using my 
recently installed 10.2 and it does nothing other than tell me it could 
not connect and to check my settings which I have and they appear to be 
OK... (I am using Palm Desktop 4)... on a G4/867/384

I have checked for any updates to Palm software wince OS-10.2 but there 
appears to be nothing newer that Palm Desktop 4.

I am not keen on scrapping things and starting again as when I have 
tried this approach in the past it has caused me nightmares, cold 
sweats and sleepless nights... I understand just enough about all of 
this to be a danger to myself...

Any ideas would be much appreciated...

Thanks in hope,

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Apple discount coupons with 10.2 at roadshow...

[Shay Telfer]

According to MWJ <http://www.macjournals.com/>:

* Meanwhile, down in Oz, Apple Australia is offering attendees of
the "Discover the Power of Mac OS X 10.2" seminars an A$50-off
coupon for future Apple software or hardware purchased before
2002.10.31, as well as an A$250-off coupon for a new Power
Macintosh G4 system purchased before 2002.09.13, all with the
A$229 purchase of Mac OS X 10.2 (seminars are full in Adelaide,
Melbourne, Canberra, and Sydney, but seats are available in
Brisbane, Perth, and Hobart)
<http://www.apple.com.au/seminars/macosx/>


But don't blame me if it ain't so :)

Have fun,
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Re: OS X 10.2 installation problem on Beige G3 (Rev B) 300

[Shay Telfer]

My computer is:
PowerPC G3 300 (Rev B)
40 GB HD - 1st partition: 8.0 GB; 2nd partition 26.x GB
196 MB RAM
All hardware apart from HD and additional RAM is original.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated!

Paul Davey


There are also numerous discussions of beige G3 OS X 10.2 install 
problems and solutions at


<http://discussions.info.apple.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@.3bb95478>

Good luck,
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Adding more printer drivers to CUPS under OS X 10.2

[Martin Hill]

Has anyone played around with CUPS under Jagwire yet? Specifically, 
has anyone tried installing more printer drivers for CUPS under OS X?


I'm trying to get our Macs to print to our Lanier 5645 multifunction 
business-class network printer. If we had the postscript module 
installed it'd be a no-brainer, but unfortunately the powers that be 
decided to save money and the base model only supports PCL.


The posting below from http://www.linuxprinting.org shows the success 
one guy has had getting it working under Debian linux. I am going to 
experiment along similar lines, but thought I'd see if anyone else 
had any OS X specific CUPS experiences first before delving into the 
underbelly... :)


-Mart

---

http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/general-list/2002q2/001812.html
Could you guys please create a forum and printer listing in the database
for the OEM 'Lanier' and the model 'Lanier 5645'. Lanier is a USA
branding of Ricoh.

I have successfully printed to a Lanier 5645 over the network from a
Debian linux box via cups. Here's what I did:

Step 1: Purge the evil spirits of missing-dependencies from your box by
installing Debian 'testing'. Then...

apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsomatic-ppd xpp
(cupsys-bsd is optional)

killall -HUP cupsd
(...to make sure it picks up all the cupsomatic models you just pulled in)

apt-get install qtcups
(if you like a qt app)

Now use the cups web interface. i.e. http://localhost:631
- you will need to authenticate as root.
- create a printer.
- under 'Device', make it a "lpd/lpr host or printer".
- enter a URI of "lpd:///lp".
- select Model of "Ricoh".
- select Model of "Aficio 220, foomatic + pxlmono (en)".
You should see success, now either:
- print a test page from cups.
- fire up xpp and print something from there.

You should be golden.

BTW there is a good chance this will work with the Lanier 2145 (a similar
printer), and probably a bunch of others.

Caveats: My margins aren't completely sorted yet. And there is maybe a
better driver to choose,
but I didn't see it yet. I tried 'raw' drivers before this, but got
postscript garbage spewing forth. Graphics-intensive stuff takes a while
to send. I'm not saying this is the canonical way to do it, but it got me
on the air.

Bonus: You can browse files in konqueror, and print them by selecting
'print', selecting a print system of 'external', and entering a print
command of 'qtcups'. If konqueror can view it, it will print WYSIWYG.

Double-bonus: Print from Mozilla...select 'print' and then select
'properties' in the print dialog. There is a long sting of gobbledygook
beginning with 'lpr...'. Just replace the word 'lpr' with 'qtcups'.
Voila.

The Lanier 5645 is a multifunction business-class network printer, B&W
hi-res (prints 600dpi from free software).





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Re: OS X 10.2 new folder bug

[Shay Telfer]

Did you notice that it creates you the "untitled folder" but then 
promptly deselects it, so you have to re-select it before renaming 
the folder?


Yes, file selection behaviour under OS X is still somewhat broken in 
lots of annoying little ways.


Little bug, (and it only seems to happen in List View) but I 
reiterate - highly annoying!


Hmm... On my machine it then crashed the Finder :)

Have fun,
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OS X 10.2 new folder bug

[Darren Kam]

Can anyone confirm this little (but highly annoying) bug in OS X 10.2?

Step 1: Create a new folder in a finder window that is set to List View 
(View->as List) by right-clicking (if you have a multi-buttoned mouse) or 
ctrl-clicking in the window.

That's it.


Did you notice that it creates you the "untitled folder" but then promptly 
deselects it, so you have to re-select it before renaming the folder?

Little bug, (and it only seems to happen in List View) but I reiterate - highly 
annoying!

Re: OS X 10.2 installation problem on Beige G3 (Rev B) 300

[Shay Telfer]

[resending with a date sometime in this millennium]


Hi Martin

Thank you for your help.

My problem is as follows: When the installation program on the CD
gets to the part where I am asked to choose the partition on which to
install OS X 10.2, both of my partitions have red exclamation marks
next to them. If I try to select the first (8GB) partition, it says
that "You cannont install OS X on this partition because it is not
within the first 8GB of the disk". The first partition is exactly
8GB (8 x 1024 x 1024 x 1024 bytes), and it worked flawlessly with the
installation of OS X 10.1.

My computer is:
PowerPC G3 300 (Rev B)
40 GB HD - 1st partition: 8.0 GB; 2nd partition 26.x GB


Are you sure they're in that order on the disk? It's possible the new 
installer is testing for 'marketing' Gigabytes (ie 8 * 1000 * 1000 * 
1000 bytes)


I'd suggest using Disk Utility and attempting to reformat. Make the 
first partition 7Gb or something just to be sure :)


Thanks,
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Re: OS X 10.2 installation problem on Beige G3 (Rev B) 300

[Shay Telfer]

Hi Martin

Thank you for your help.

My problem is as follows: When the installation program on the CD
gets to the part where I am asked to choose the partition on which to
install OS X 10.2, both of my partitions have red exclamation marks
next to them. If I try to select the first (8GB) partition, it says
that "You cannont install OS X on this partition because it is not
within the first 8GB of the disk". The first partition is exactly
8GB (8 x 1024 x 1024 x 1024 bytes), and it worked flawlessly with the
installation of OS X 10.1.

My computer is:
PowerPC G3 300 (Rev B)
40 GB HD - 1st partition: 8.0 GB; 2nd partition 26.x GB


Are you sure they're in that order on the disk? It's possible the new 
installer is testing for 'marketing' Gigabytes (ie 8 * 1000 * 1000 * 
1000 bytes)


I'd suggest using Disk Utility and attempting to reformat. Make the 
first partition 7Gb or something just to be sure :)


Thanks,
Shay
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OS X 10.2 installation problem on Beige G3 (Rev B) 300

[Martin Hill]

Anyone able to help this owwner o a beige G3?

-Mart



Hi Martin

Thank you for your help.

My problem is as follows: When the installation program on the CD 
gets to the part where I am asked to choose the partition on which to 
install OS X 10.2, both of my partitions have red exclamation marks 
next to them. If I try to select the first (8GB) partition, it says 
that "You cannont install OS X on this partition because it is not 
within the first 8GB of the disk". The first partition is exactly 
8GB (8 x 1024 x 1024 x 1024 bytes), and it worked flawlessly with the 
installation of OS X 10.1.


My computer is:
PowerPC G3 300 (Rev B)
40 GB HD - 1st partition: 8.0 GB; 2nd partition 26.x GB
196 MB RAM
All hardware apart from HD and additional RAM is original.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated!

Paul Davey

Research Assistant
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Re: 10.2

[crazy_ebot]

Good to hear Gordon :-) ... I've done an archive install on my G4 466 - only 
issue was the MS intellimouse control panel which was fixed with a quick 
software reinstall.

May be just in my head, but the archive install method feels like it resulted 
in a 
more responsive finder than my earlier 'upgrade existing' choice.

Oh, the much reported lack of functionality with third party SCSI cards seems 
to be true ... I've got no access to my Adaptec SCSI & Ricoh CDR combo. No 
big deal, it'll get fixed ... 

Cheers,

Tobes.

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> iMac 400Mhz G3 320Mb 9.2.1=>10.2 installed without a cough and 
probably
> faster than reading Shay's full description on his install exploits ;-)
> (I am a slow reader) External firewire HD worked HPDJ930C worked.
> Ridiculously easy!
> Gordo

10.2

[Gordon Morris]

iMac 400Mhz G3 320Mb 9.2.1=>10.2 installed without a cough and probably
faster than reading Shay's full description on his install exploits ;-)
(I am a slow reader) External firewire HD worked HPDJ930C worked.
Ridiculously easy!
Gordo

10.2 and exotic PPDs

[crazy_ebot]

'tidbit for anyone printing to an aging Ricoh Aficio photocopier/printer and 
thinking of moving to 10.2. If you still have the PPD file, just browse and 
grab it 
when configuring the printer, and have _complete_ functionality once ... 
something missing from every OS 10 release prior to .2

Very cool.

Tobes.

Re: 10.2

[Larry Pohl]

On 16/8/02 at 12:33 PM, Matthew Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, thanks to Apple shipping 10.2 in their new machines, I have a
copy of
> 10.2 and all I can say is wow.
> 
> You have all probably heard the feature list before, but it really
doesn't
> sink in until you are sitting in front of the machine.
> 
> For anyone that has reservations about spending $200, it is worth
every
> cent. (Even Rendezvous alone is worth it.)
> 
> Regards
> 
> Matthew Healey

Harumph

I just paid for my copy (pre order) this morning. Guess I have to wait
'til next Saturday unless there's someone nearby in the Hills that can
spare me a loner 'til then :-)

Larry

Re: 10.2

[Dark Servant]

Unfortunately not all of us can afford it.

Well, thanks to Apple shipping 10.2 in their new machines, I have a 
copy of

10.2 and all I can say is wow.

You have all probably heard the feature list before, but it really 
doesn't

sink in until you are sitting in front of the machine.

For anyone that has reservations about spending $200, it is worth every
cent. (Even Rendezvous alone is worth it.)

Regards

Matthew Healey

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10.2

[Matthew Healey]

Well, thanks to Apple shipping 10.2 in their new machines, I have a copy of
10.2 and all I can say is wow.

You have all probably heard the feature list before, but it really doesn't
sink in until you are sitting in front of the machine.

For anyone that has reservations about spending $200, it is worth every
cent. (Even Rendezvous alone is worth it.)

Regards

Matthew Healey

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Re: 10.2 with tibook

[Andrew Nielsen]

At 5:45 PM +0800 13/8/02, Michael Campbell wrote:

I've just picked up my tibook and there is an upgrade packet with 10.2


New machines have indeed started shipping with 10.2. New machines 
leaving the factory from today will apparently have it pre-installed. 
And it's very nice :-)

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RE: 10.2 with tibook

[Kay, Richard]

Is iCAL et al on the disks? Or will they be downloads only?
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-Original Message-
From: Michael Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2002 7:50 AM
To: wamug@wamug.org.au
Subject: Re: 10.2 with tibook


I have the actual disks, not the update coupons, so I say again am I 
the first :-)

[SNIP]

Re: 10.2 with tibook

[Michael Campbell]

I have the actual disks, not the update coupons, so I say again am I 
the first :-)


On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, at 05:44 AM, themenubar wrote:

Anyone who has purchased a computer or Mac OS X 10.1 on or after the 
17th
August is intituled to a $40.00 upgrade from Apple Computer the form 
to fill
out can be downloaded from Apples Web page and you fill this out and 
fax it

back to Apple along with your invoice as proof of purchase. If proof of
purchase is not sent than that will be followed up by a consultant who 
will

ask you to fax proof of purchase before they can process your order.

Regards,

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 13/8/02 7:45 PM, "Michael Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I've just picked up my tibook and there is an upgrade packet with 10.2

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Re: 10.2 with tibook

[themenubar]

Anyone who has purchased a computer or Mac OS X 10.1 on or after the 17th
August is intituled to a $40.00 upgrade from Apple Computer the form to fill
out can be downloaded from Apples Web page and you fill this out and fax it
back to Apple along with your invoice as proof of purchase. If proof of
purchase is not sent than that will be followed up by a consultant who will
ask you to fax proof of purchase before they can process your order.

Regards,

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 13/8/02 7:45 PM, "Michael Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've just picked up my tibook and there is an upgrade packet with 10.2
> 
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Re: Upgrading to OS X 10.2

[Phillip Arena]

At 10:01 PM +0800 10/8/02, Reg Whitely wrote:

I
do concur though with the building your own PC comment. That hardly
seems like fun for someone who really does want to enjoy his/her
computer.


Yes Reg, but besides enjoying my computer, I do occasionally have to 
be productive...without the fun! To be honest, these days, I think I 
enjoy the applications more than the system if you know what I mean. 
I use the same apps on both Mac and PC and as they basically function 
the same way, I do forget what system I'm working on every now and 
again.



Phil

Re: Upgrading to OS X 10.2

[Phillip Arena]

I'm curious as to how building yourself a PC counts as thinking
different... Or how it would be less expensive than purchasing 10.2
or subscribing to .Mac or buying Virtual PC (or indeed all of these
combined!)

Have fun,
Shay
--
I never said I thought different Shay. I just said that I built 
myself a PC to supplement my Mac (the latter which I've used and 
LOVED since the mid 80s). It's not a case of thinking differently - 
as always for me, it's a case of thinking how productive can I be at 
a reasonable cost. And how is it less expensive? Well, my PC cost a 
quarter of the price and is 4X as 'powerful' as my most desirable Mac 
at the moment!


At 5:33 PM +0800 9/8/02, Michael Hawkins wrote:

But at the moment I for
one can not in all conscience encourage any one who needs to be productive
to buy Apple."


Let's hope for the winds of change.

Cheers

Phil

Re: 10.2 with tibook

[crazy_ebot]

Coooel ... I think you're the first non-developer to have mentioned having it 
(on this list) Michael - you lucky ... ah, fatherless person ;-)

I've noted the forums in macnn and appleinsider 've people stating they 
received Jag- *ahem*, the 10.2 update with their new or repaired computer.

There's also info from thinksecret.com; they reckon the new powermacs will 
be press-released tomorrow ... and that they'll come with 10.2 pre-installed. 
Some people even think that Apple might release 10.2 early, to coincide with 
the new powermacs (pretty unlikely I figure).

Let us know how 10.2 performs eh?

Cheers,

Tobes.

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> I've just picked up my tibook and there is an upgrade packet with 10.2
> 
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> Am I the first

10.2 with tibook

[Michael Campbell]

I've just picked up my tibook and there is an upgrade packet with 10.2

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Re: Is OSX 10.2 Faster

[hinchlif]

On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 10:46 AM, dudleygager wrote:

> Some time ago I read that Apple had hired a BSD guru to work
> on OSX and that in particular speed.
> Since then I haven't heard anything about speed increases.
> Does anyone know whether 10.2 is going to be faster?
>
>

Check out the latest article here:

http://www.macosrumors.com/

Here's a part of it -

"On the oldest supported or unsupported Macs, Jaguar will deliver all of 
its slick new applications, features, and interface elements with a 
modest speed boost (as long as you have at least 128MB of RAM). On newer 
systems, however, the change is much more dramatic.

Multiprocessor G4s really shine with 10.2 in a way not previously seen. 
Multiprocessing has already become a wonderful thing under OS X, but 
10.2 is significantly more multi-threaded (an application design vital 
to spreading application resources evenly across MP systems) throughout, 
and it shows. Those with at least 2X AGP graphics accelerators and 16MB 
of graphics RAM -- supporting the new Quartz Extreme drawing 
technology -- will see the biggest benefits, however. QE is just 
stunning.

If you have OS X, open up CPU monitor and System Preferences. Watch the 
reading on CPU Monitor as you drag the System Preferences window 
vigorously around the screen. Spiked like crazy, right - even if you're 
on the latest and greatest hardware? Under 10.2, any 667MHz+ or MP G4 
system with a decent 32MB accelerator will see a less than 10% CPU 
spike...on many systems, less than 5%. Keep in mind also, that System 
Preferences has more items and more eye candy in its window under 10.2!"

Read the article for a few more impressions of Jaguar.


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Re: Is OSX 10.2 Faster..on RevA iMac

[Andrew Nielsen]

Mac OS X 10.1.5 is currently not something I'd like to be using on a 
rev A iMac. I would not expect Jaguar to be particularly well-suited 
to it either. Basically it's, what, 4 or more years old already?


At 03:20 + 12/08/2002, dudleygager wrote:

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "dudleygager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone know whether 10.2 is going to be faster?

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Re: Is OSX 10.2 Faster..on RevA iMac

[dudleygager]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "dudleygager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone know whether 10.2 is going to be faster?

Any chance of 10.2 being reasonably usable on a Rev A iMac? 
Seems a bit tough to have to "write off" an iMac as far as OSX is 
concerned. 

Re: Is OSX 10.2 Faster

[Matthew Healey]

On 12/8/02 10:46 AM, "dudleygager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Some time ago I read that Apple had hired a BSD guru to work
> on OSX and that in particular speed.
> Since then I haven't heard anything about speed increases.
> Does anyone know whether 10.2 is going to be faster?

It all depends on what sort of computer you will be running it on. For
example, if you have a dual processor G4 with an Nvidia GeForce or AIT
Radeon graphics card, you will see a considerable speed up in most
operations.

If you have a single processor G3 with a RAGE 128 graphics card, then you
will only see a fraction of the speed increases Jaguar provides.

Regards

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Re: Is OSX 10.2 Faster

[Shay Telfer]

Some time ago I read that Apple had hired a BSD guru to work
on OSX and that in particular speed.
Since then I haven't heard anything about speed increases.
Does anyone know whether 10.2 is going to be faster?


It's called Jaguar (or Jagwire or Shagwire if you prefer :), so of 
course it'll be faster!


Fortunately they've multithreaded more things in the Finder, so its 
responsiveness will be better, even if it's not faster (eventually we 
may even get back to the usability we had in Mac OS 8!). I imagine 
they've bothered to profile and optimise other things, as well as 
using the graphics hardware (rather than the CPU) to do more of the 
window drawing thanks to Quartz Extreme.


So, in general the forecast is faster, but I'll believe it when I see it...

Have fun,
Shay

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Is OSX 10.2 Faster

[dudleygager]

Some time ago I read that Apple had hired a BSD guru to work 
on OSX and that in particular speed.
Since then I haven't heard anything about speed increases.
Does anyone know whether 10.2 is going to be faster?

Re: Upgrading to OS X 10.2

[mike moore]

Kent

I cannot but agree

If Apple aren't careful they will lose the goodwill of their committed band of
'evangalists'


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Kent Lyon Architect wrote:

> Just a little whinge about the new (& improved!) OS X 10.2. Below is some
> feedback I have sent through to Apple on the OS X 10.2 upgrade.
>
> 'I just wanted to voice my opinion that after having spent $6,000 (AUS) on a
> new PowerBook G4 with new OS X only back in late March 2002 to now have to
> pay the full cost ($229 AUS) for OS X 10.2 in less than six months after
> making the upgrade/change to OS X really sucks.
>
> I have constantly pushed the Apple barrow as paying for quality up front
> meant that you are not constantly having to pay full price for every
> upgrade, unlike the Windows environment. But now it would appear that not
> only do you pay more up front for quality but I must now constantly upgrade
> the software (which will mean every other program on my computer will need
> to be upgraded as well.
> '.
> I am well aware this is the way the Windows/Microsoft people work but I
> thought Apple was different!'
>
> And by the way what is with all the numbers I thought OS X meant just that,
> not OS X then 10.1 or 10.2 after it seems like a lot of doubling up on the
> number ten.
>
> There that's off my chest, just seems to me that there should be some form
> of grading the upgrade cost especially as OS X 10.1 is so ripe off the vine.
>
> I would hope that others with like feelings would express them to Apple and
> try to get them to 'think different' - what a corny/catchy phrase!
>
> Regards,
> kent lyon architect
>
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First specials on OS X 10.2

[Larry Pohl]

I was just scanning Saturday's paper and noticed that GMac/Abacus are
advertising OS X 10.2 for $199 (reg $229).

Let the competition begin !

Larry

Re: Upgrading to OS X 10.2

[Reg Whitely]

Dear Shay

I've always reflected positively on your 'Have fun' comment. It seems 
to me that there's a lot less fun now than in the past with Apple. I 
do concur though with the building your own PC comment. That hardly 
seems like fun for someone who really does want to enjoy his/her 
computer.


Regards

Reg


>Hi Ken, I also sent Apple some 'nice' feedback.a bit too

'verbose' to present here. Let's just say that I feel the range of
new soft/hardware that Apple are producing now does very little to
offset their lack of customer concern. As someone who has a
reasonable influence on purchases of new computer equipment, my
endorsement of Apple is now perforated with many 'buts'. If Apple
continues its present "let's 'not think different and be one of the
others" line, then my endorsements will simply cease.

I have even built myself a PC to supplement my Mac...something I
thought I would never do!


I'm curious as to how building yourself a PC counts as thinking
different... Or how it would be less expensive than purchasing 10.2
or subscribing to .Mac or buying Virtual PC (or indeed all of these
combined!)

Have fun,
Shay

Re: Upgrading to OS 10.2

[Michael Hawkins]

I'm oddly relieved to see that I'm not the only disgruntled Apple user. Here
is the gist of feedback that I sent to Apple:

"I have noticed the howls of protest that Apple is going to charge for
iTools, but as far as I am concerned whether or not iTools is free is not
the question. The real question is whether Apple should get away with
seeking to charge a hefty price for the addition of features and a series of
bug fixes in OS X. What were versions OS X to OS 10.1.5 - beta software?

I use my PowerBook for business purposes. Yes, the screen on my lap top
looks very swish but looks aren't what really matter. What really matters is
whether the computer does what it is meant to do, efficiently and
effectively. In my case, print. I have a HP OfficeJet G85 multifunction
printer. My PowerBook has 640 meg ram. It prints in black & white at a
whopping 1 minute per page, but that is the speed of light compared with the
printing rate that a colleague enjoys in OS X. He has an iBook and Epson
5900GL. He bought them in January this year from a dealer who assured him
that a driver would be available in January. It still isn't. His computer
does not print at all in OS X. In order to print it must be shut down then
rebooted in Classic. The USB connected Epson, like my G85, does not
recognise the computer if it is merely restarted: the computer must be
rebooted.

How productive is that.

We and many thousands of Apple users have wasted hours and hours because of
things that Apple now recognises must be fixed, yet Apple wants us to pay.
Apple should forget about bells and whistles. It should focus on getting its
software to work, and it should reward the loyalty of users who stuck by
Apple rather than hit them yet again in the hip pocket. And when it does
that, results will follow and people will switch. But at the moment I for
one can not in all conscience encourage any one who needs to be productive
to buy Apple."


Regards

Michael Hawkins.

Re: Upgrading to OS X 10.2

[Shay Telfer]

Hi Ken, I also sent Apple some 'nice' feedback.a bit too
'verbose' to present here. Let's just say that I feel the range of
new soft/hardware that Apple are producing now does very little to
offset their lack of customer concern. As someone who has a
reasonable influence on purchases of new computer equipment, my
endorsement of Apple is now perforated with many 'buts'. If Apple
continues its present "let's 'not think different and be one of the
others" line, then my endorsements will simply cease.

I have even built myself a PC to supplement my Mac...something I
thought I would never do!


I'm curious as to how building yourself a PC counts as thinking 
different... Or how it would be less expensive than purchasing 10.2 
or subscribing to .Mac or buying Virtual PC (or indeed all of these 
combined!)


Have fun,
Shay
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Re: Upgrading to OS X 10.2

[Phillip Arena]

Hi Ken, I also sent Apple some 'nice' feedback.a bit too 
'verbose' to present here. Let's just say that I feel the range of 
new soft/hardware that Apple are producing now does very little to 
offset their lack of customer concern. As someone who has a 
reasonable influence on purchases of new computer equipment, my 
endorsement of Apple is now perforated with many 'buts'. If Apple 
continues its present "let's 'not think different and be one of the 
others" line, then my endorsements will simply cease.


I have even built myself a PC to supplement my Mac...something I 
thought I would never do!


This I'm a little ashamed of, since I have supported Apple since the mid 80s.

Cheers

Phil


Just a little whinge about the new (& improved!) OS X 10.2. Below is some
feedback I have sent through to Apple on the OS X 10.2 upgrade.


'I just wanted to voice my opinion that after having spent $6,000 (AUS) on a
new PowerBook G4 with new OS X only back in late March 2002 to now have to
pay the full cost ($229 AUS) for OS X 10.2 in less than six months after
making the upgrade/change to OS X really sucks.

I have constantly pushed the Apple barrow as paying for quality up front
meant that you are not constantly having to pay full price for every
upgrade, unlike the Windows environment. But now it would appear that not
only do you pay more up front for quality but I must now constantly upgrade
the software (which will mean every other program on my computer will need
to be upgraded as well.

I am well aware this is the way the Windows/Microsoft people work but I
thought Apple was different!'


And by the way what is with all the numbers I thought OS X meant just that,
not OS X then 10.1 or 10.2 after it seems like a lot of doubling up on the
number ten.

There that's off my chest, just seems to me that there should be some form
of grading the upgrade cost especially as OS X 10.1 is so ripe off the vine.

I would hope that others with like feelings would express them to Apple and
try to get them to 'think different' - what a corny/catchy phrase!

Regards,
kent lyon architect


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Upgrading to OS X 10.2

[Kent Lyon Architect]

Just a little whinge about the new (& improved!) OS X 10.2. Below is some
feedback I have sent through to Apple on the OS X 10.2 upgrade.


'I just wanted to voice my opinion that after having spent $6,000 (AUS) on a
new PowerBook G4 with new OS X only back in late March 2002 to now have to
pay the full cost ($229 AUS) for OS X 10.2 in less than six months after
making the upgrade/change to OS X really sucks.

I have constantly pushed the Apple barrow as paying for quality up front
meant that you are not constantly having to pay full price for every
upgrade, unlike the Windows environment. But now it would appear that not
only do you pay more up front for quality but I must now constantly upgrade
the software (which will mean every other program on my computer will need
to be upgraded as well.

I am well aware this is the way the Windows/Microsoft people work but I
thought Apple was different!'


And by the way what is with all the numbers I thought OS X meant just that,
not OS X then 10.1 or 10.2 after it seems like a lot of doubling up on the
number ten.

There that's off my chest, just seems to me that there should be some form
of grading the upgrade cost especially as OS X 10.1 is so ripe off the vine.

I would hope that others with like feelings would express them to Apple and
try to get them to 'think different' - what a corny/catchy phrase!

Regards,
kent lyon architect 


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Re: 10.2 via applestore

[David Choy]

Or get 10.2 from the other Applestores & resellers that didn't make
Matthew's list for that matter

WA Solutions 
14/383 Scarborough Beach Road
OSBORNE PARK 6017
tel: 08 9201 0121 fax: 08 9201 0190

AppleCentre Nedlands
104 Stirling Highway
NEDLANDS 6009
tel: 08 9389 0400 fax: 08 9389 6144

Artref 
614 Hay Street 
JOLIMONT 6014
tel: 08 9387 5088 fax: 08 9387 5722


Dave

On 8/8/02 5:56 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:09:59 +0800
> From: Matthew Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: 10.2 via AppleStore
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have just confirmed with Apple that if you order 10.2 from the AppleStore
> web site (or phone number), you will not get your copy until about a week
> later.
> 
> I would suggest that if you absolutely can't wait to get 10.2, go you your
> nearest AppleCentre on the Saturday.
> 
> AppleCentre Joondalup - 9301 5333
> AppleCentre Mt Hawthorne - 9444 9988
> Desktop Applications - 9322 6789
> 
> Regards
> 
> Matthew Healey
> 
> -- 

10.2 via AppleStore

[Matthew Healey]

Hi all,

I have just confirmed with Apple that if you order 10.2 from the AppleStore
web site (or phone number), you will not get your copy until about a week
later.

I would suggest that if you absolutely can't wait to get 10.2, go you your
nearest AppleCentre on the Saturday.

AppleCentre Joondalup - 9301 5333
AppleCentre Mt Hawthorne - 9444 9988
Desktop Applications - 9322 6789

Regards

Matthew Healey

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