subject:"New Macbook Pros\?"

Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-31 Thread Rod Blitvich

l opinion and 
>>> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of 
>>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of 
>>> warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any 
>>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, 
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>>> 
>>>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 10:44 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Re dongles. A colleague suggested:
>>>> i’m using a caldigit thunderbolt2 box & that gives me
>>>> 
>>>> audio stereo in/out1x
>>>> usb3x
>>>> e-sata2x
>>>> cat5 / rj45 / lan 1x
>>>> hdmi1x
>>>> 
>>>> that means 1box & power pack you have to lug around…..
>>>> 
>>>> But still - $1920 for an internal 2TB drive upgrade is ridiculous. I 
>>>> bought an external one for $200 last year. I'll investigate more before I 
>>>> buy...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 30/10/2016 10:18 pm, Brian Risbey wrote:
>>>>> Hello Ronni, Susan and Rob,
>>>>> I will be getting one of these MacBookPro 15”. As I mentioned, $6k is 
>>>>> expensive but that has been the same price of the top specced models for 
>>>>> the last 20 years when I purchased my last 3 Apple laptops, starting with 
>>>>> a PowerBook 5300, a MacBookPro 15”, then my current 17”. I see that as 
>>>>> becoming ‘cheaper’, factoring in inflation. I get 6 to 8 years out of the 
>>>>> machines, which are used daily at work or at home.
>>>>> I will wait until the new year, when demand settles and I start back to 
>>>>> work. I think maxing out a machine speed is good idea and it appears that 
>>>>> ,in some initial reports, they may be upgradeable in the SSD storage area 
>>>>> but not RAM, after purchase. A few choice dongles to connect to VGA 
>>>>> overhead projectors and off I go. (Hope they exist!)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brian 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:39, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all four 
>>>>> of which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it won’t charge 
>>>>> faster if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same 
>>>>> connector as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, plus 
>>>>> Thunderbolt 2, via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 Gbps and 
>>>>> is backward compatible with older USB devices. 
>>>>> These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays. 
>>>>> That’s impressive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ronni
>>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new 
>>>>>>> MacBook Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, 
>>>>>>> if you are interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's 
>>>>>>> choices...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Rob
>>>>>>>> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
>>>>>>>> external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 
>>>>>>>> 1Tb internal drive might do.
>>>>>>>> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early

Oh dear, ....Classic Mac Startup Chime Not Present in New MacBook Pros

2016-10-31 Thread Daniel Kerr

http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/30/classic-startup-chime-new-macbook-pros/

No glowing Apple logo anymore,..and no startup chime.
I know these might not be “huge things”,…but hey,..isn’t it Classic Apple.

Oh, and just to add on from my post yesterday.
There was also an article about the Thunderbolt 3 Ports on the right side of 
the 13” MacBook Pro. Apparently they have reduced PCI Express Bandwidth on the 
right hand side.
So “heavy drawing items” should be used on the left hand side, and lower items 
on the right hand side of the 13”. Something to bear in mind.
Though the 15” MacBook Pro has the same draw on each side,…so ti’s fine.

I think lately my tag-line will be,…”Apple, what are you doing???”

lol.

And it’s not even April 1st……

Enjoy! (?)

Kind regards
Daniel

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Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-30 Thread Bill Parker

age SD if you wanted).
>> As that was also a big push with Apple. Hey, …..this great MagSafe adapter. 
>> If someone trips of your cable,…no problem! The power cable just comes off, 
>> and the laptop stays where it is. I don’t think the same can be said for the 
>> new USB-C Charger,….(I could be wrong).
>> I’m sure as more cables and things come out USB-C will be more common place, 
>> and then things will be better to connect. I just think it’s a little 
>> earlier for some of them.
>> And most people would much prefer a slightly larger in size laptop with more 
>> “Features” or things added. At what point do we really need to drop a few 
>> more millimetres off the size of the laptop. Can’t be we have features and 
>> performance over “light weight, smaller size”.
>> 
>> I love the Mac, don’t get me wrong, and I’d be hard pressed to move to 
>> anything else,…..I just feel that some of these things have “lost their 
>> way”. I’ve been using Apple since 1984 and the first Mac 128K, so I’ve seen 
>> a lot of it’s ups and downs. It’s just a bit more of a worry lately with 
>> where their focus is going with these things. (and don’t get me started on 
>> dropping the nice Apple monitors for the LG. Sure, they have some nice 
>> features,…they just don’t look as nice). Hmm, does that comment just 
>> completely override everything I said before,…lol. Well, maybe. Maybe I want 
>> a nice looking monitor with all the features, and a slightly thicker laptop 
>> with better battery, more ports. :)
>> I read another post somewhere where a person asked why the new MacBook Pro 
>> didn’t have the option to build to order it up to 32GB of RAM. Phil 
>> Schiller's answer was,…"because it would consume more power and wouldn’t be 
>> efficient enough for a notebook”
>> Umm,…hey, here’s an idea. Make it slightly thicker for a better battery. :) 
>> Most people wouldn’t even notice a few extra mm’s here and there for longer 
>> life etc. :))
>> 
>> OK, I think I’ll end it there before it sounds all too negative. (It’s not 
>> meant to be,…hehe).
>> Now I’m back to working out more figures and budget to see what laptop I 
>> want to go with. :)) (And I couldn’t go back to a 13” after using a 15” all 
>> the time,….lol).
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>> 
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>> 
>>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 10:44 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Re dongles. A colleague suggested:
>>> i’m using a caldigit thunderbolt2 box & that gives me
>>> 
>>> audio stereo in/out1x
>>> usb3x
>>> e-sata2x
>>> cat5 / rj45 / lan 1x
>>> hdmi1x
>>> 
>>> that means 1box & power pack you have to lug around…..
>>> 
>>> But still - $1920 for an internal 2TB drive upgrade is ridiculous. I bought 
>>> an external one for $200 last year. I'll investigate more before I buy...
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 30/10/2016 10:18 pm, Brian Risbey wrote:
>>>> Hello Ronni, Susan and Rob,
>>>> I will be getting one of these MacBookPro 15”. As I mentioned, $6k is 
>>>> expensive but that has been the same price of the top specced models for 
>>>> the last 20 years when I purchased my last 3 Apple laptops, starting with 
>>>> a PowerBook 5300, a MacBookPro 15”, then my current 17”. I see that as 
>>>> becoming ‘cheaper’, factoring in inflation. I get 6 to 8 years out of the 
>>>> machines, which are used daily at work or at home.
>>>> I will wait until the new year, when demand settles and I start back to 
>>>> work. I think maxing out a machine speed is good idea and it appears that 
>>>> ,in some initial reports, they may be upgradeable in the SSD storage area 
>>>> but not RAM, after purchase. A few choice dongles to connect to VGA 
>>>> overhead projectors and off I go. (Hope they exist!)
>>&g

Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-30 Thread Susan Hastings

ry, more ports. :)
> I read another post somewhere where a person asked why the new MacBook Pro 
> didn’t have the option to build to order it up to 32GB of RAM. Phil 
> Schiller's answer was,…"because it would consume more power and wouldn’t be 
> efficient enough for a notebook”
> Umm,…hey, here’s an idea. Make it slightly thicker for a better battery. :) 
> Most people wouldn’t even notice a few extra mm’s here and there for longer 
> life etc. :))
> 
> OK, I think I’ll end it there before it sounds all too negative. (It’s not 
> meant to be,…hehe).
> Now I’m back to working out more figures and budget to see what laptop I want 
> to go with. :)) (And I couldn’t go back to a 13” after using a 15” all the 
> time,….lol).
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. 
> Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or 
> accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this 
> email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the 
> author be requested. 
> 
>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 10:44 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Re dongles. A colleague suggested:
>> i’m using a caldigit thunderbolt2 box & that gives me
>> 
>> audio stereo in/out1x
>> usb3x
>> e-sata2x
>> cat5 / rj45 / lan 1x
>> hdmi1x
>> 
>> that means 1box & power pack you have to lug around…..
>> 
>> But still - $1920 for an internal 2TB drive upgrade is ridiculous. I bought 
>> an external one for $200 last year. I'll investigate more before I buy...
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30/10/2016 10:18 pm, Brian Risbey wrote:
>>> Hello Ronni, Susan and Rob,
>>> I will be getting one of these MacBookPro 15”. As I mentioned, $6k is 
>>> expensive but that has been the same price of the top specced models for 
>>> the last 20 years when I purchased my last 3 Apple laptops, starting with a 
>>> PowerBook 5300, a MacBookPro 15”, then my current 17”. I see that as 
>>> becoming ‘cheaper’, factoring in inflation. I get 6 to 8 years out of the 
>>> machines, which are used daily at work or at home.
>>> I will wait until the new year, when demand settles and I start back to 
>>> work. I think maxing out a machine speed is good idea and it appears that 
>>> ,in some initial reports, they may be upgradeable in the SSD storage area 
>>> but not RAM, after purchase. A few choice dongles to connect to VGA 
>>> overhead projectors and off I go. (Hope they exist!)
>>> 
>>> Brian 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:39, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,
>>> 
>>> The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all four of 
>>> which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it won’t charge 
>>> faster if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)
>>> 
>>> Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same 
>>> connector as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, plus 
>>> Thunderbolt 2, via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 Gbps and 
>>> is backward compatible with older USB devices. 
>>> These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays. 
>>> That’s impressive.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\
>>>> 
>>>> Rob
>>>> 
>>>>> On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
>>>>> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
>>>>> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
>>>>> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>&

Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-30 Thread Daniel Kerr

 love the Mac, don’t get me wrong, and I’d be hard pressed to move to anything 
else,…..I just feel that some of these things have “lost their way”. I’ve been 
using Apple since 1984 and the first Mac 128K, so I’ve seen a lot of it’s ups 
and downs. It’s just a bit more of a worry lately with where their focus is 
going with these things. (and don’t get me started on dropping the nice Apple 
monitors for the LG. Sure, they have some nice features,…they just don’t look 
as nice). Hmm, does that comment just completely override everything I said 
before,…lol. Well, maybe. Maybe I want a nice looking monitor with all the 
features, and a slightly thicker laptop with better battery, more ports. :)
I read another post somewhere where a person asked why the new MacBook Pro 
didn’t have the option to build to order it up to 32GB of RAM. Phil Schiller's 
answer was,…"because it would consume more power and wouldn’t be efficient 
enough for a notebook”
Umm,…hey, here’s an idea. Make it slightly thicker for a better battery. :) 
Most people wouldn’t even notice a few extra mm’s here and there for longer 
life etc. :))

OK, I think I’ll end it there before it sounds all too negative. (It’s not 
meant to be,…hehe).
Now I’m back to working out more figures and budget to see what laptop I want 
to go with. :)) (And I couldn’t go back to a 13” after using a 15” all the 
time,….lol).

Enjoy!

Kind regards
Daniel
---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>

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> On 30 Oct 2016, at 10:44 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Re dongles. A colleague suggested:
> i’m using a caldigit thunderbolt2 box & that gives me
> 
> audio stereo in/out   1x
> usb   3x
> e-sata2x
> cat5 / rj45 / lan 1x
> hdmi  1x
> 
> that means 1box & power pack you have to lug around…..
> 
> But still - $1920 for an internal 2TB drive upgrade is ridiculous. I bought 
> an external one for $200 last year. I'll investigate more before I buy...
> 
> 
> On 30/10/2016 10:18 pm, Brian Risbey wrote:
>> Hello Ronni, Susan and Rob,
>> I will be getting one of these MacBookPro 15”. As I mentioned, $6k is 
>> expensive but that has been the same price of the top specced models for the 
>> last 20 years when I purchased my last 3 Apple laptops, starting with a 
>> PowerBook 5300, a MacBookPro 15”, then my current 17”. I see that as 
>> becoming ‘cheaper’, factoring in inflation. I get 6 to 8 years out of the 
>> machines, which are used daily at work or at home.
>> I will wait until the new year, when demand settles and I start back to 
>> work. I think maxing out a machine speed is good idea and it appears that 
>> ,in some initial reports, they may be upgradeable in the SSD storage area 
>> but not RAM, after purchase. A few choice dongles to connect to VGA overhead 
>> projectors and off I go. (Hope they exist!)
>> 
>> Brian 
>> 
>> 
>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:39, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,
>> 
>> The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all four of 
>> which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it won’t charge 
>> faster if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)
>> 
>> Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same 
>> connector as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, plus 
>> Thunderbolt 2, via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 Gbps and is 
>> backward compatible with older USB devices. 
>> These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays. 
>> That’s impressive.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
>>>> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
>>>> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
>>>> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
>>>> 
>>>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograp

Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-30 Thread Rob Phillips


Re dongles. A colleague suggested:

i’m using a caldigit thunderbolt2 box & that gives me

audio stereo in/out 1x
usb 3x
e-sata  2x
cat5 / rj45 / lan 1x
hdmi1x

that means 1box & power pack you have to lug around…..

But still - $1920 for an internal 2TB drive upgrade is ridiculous. I bought an 
external one for $200 last year. I'll investigate more before I buy...


On 30/10/2016 10:18 pm, Brian Risbey wrote:

Hello Ronni, Susan and Rob,
I will be getting one of these MacBookPro 15”. As I mentioned, $6k is 
expensive but that has been the same price of the top specced models 
for the last 20 years when I purchased my last 3 Apple laptops, 
starting with a PowerBook 5300, a MacBookPro 15”, then my current 17”. 
I see that as becoming ‘cheaper’, factoring in inflation. I get 6 to 8 
years out of the machines, which are used daily at work or at home.
I will wait until the new year, when demand settles and I start back 
to work. I think maxing out a machine speed is good idea and it 
appears that ,in some initial reports, they may be upgradeable in the 
SSD storage area but not RAM, after purchase. A few choice dongles to 
connect to VGA overhead projectors and off I go. (Hope they exist!)


Brian


On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:39, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com 
<mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:


Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,

The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all 
four of which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it 
won’t charge faster if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)


Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same 
connector as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, 
plus Thunderbolt 2, via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 
Gbps and is backward compatible with older USB devices.

These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays.
That’s impressive.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au 
<mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:



He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\

Rob

On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new 
MacBook Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That 
is, if you are interested in someone who shares your dismay at 
Apple's choices...


http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

Sent from my iPad

On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY <risb...@bigpond.com 
<mailto:risb...@bigpond.com>> wrote:



Hi Rob
I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I 
considered external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports 
and maybe just 1Tb internal drive might do.

My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close 
to $6k. So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. 
The last, a 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn 
one down yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you 
don't want an external drive.

My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
Brian Risbey



On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au 
<mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:


Hi everyone

I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty 
cool, but what about the price?


The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've 
got 400Gb of photos!


And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...

This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the 
late 1980s...


And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices 
to.  I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to 
keep working...


Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?

Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices 
to use my computer as I move around?


Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?

Rob

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Tertiary Education
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Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-30 Thread Brian Risbey

Hello Ronni, Susan and Rob,
I will be getting one of these MacBookPro 15”. As I mentioned, $6k is expensive 
but that has been the same price of the top specced models for the last 20 
years when I purchased my last 3 Apple laptops, starting with a PowerBook 5300, 
a MacBookPro 15”, then my current 17”. I see that as becoming ‘cheaper’, 
factoring in inflation. I get 6 to 8 years out of the machines, which are used 
daily at work or at home.
I will wait until the new year, when demand settles and I start back to work. I 
think maxing out a machine speed is good idea and it appears that ,in some 
initial reports, they may be upgradeable in the SSD storage area but not RAM, 
after purchase. A few choice dongles to connect to VGA overhead projectors and 
off I go. (Hope they exist!)

Brian 

On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:39, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:

Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,

The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all four of 
which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it won’t charge faster 
if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)

Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same connector 
as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, plus Thunderbolt 2, 
via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 Gbps and is backward 
compatible with older USB devices. 
These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays. 
That’s impressive.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4

On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au 
<mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:

> He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\
> 
> Rob
> 
> On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
>> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
>> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
>> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
>> 
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
>>  
>> <http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html>
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY <risb...@bigpond.com 
>> <mailto:risb...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Rob
>>> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
>>> external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb 
>>> internal drive might do.
>>> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
>>> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
>>> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 
>>> 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
>>> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
>>> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
>>> external drive.
>>> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
>>> Brian Risbey 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au 
>>> <mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone
>>> 
>>> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
>>> what about the price?
>>> 
>>> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
>>> of photos!
>>> 
>>> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
>>> 
>>> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
>>> 1980s...
>>> 
>>> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  
>>> I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
>>> 
>>> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
>>> 
>>> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use 
>>> my computer as I move around?
>>> 
>>> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Dr Rob Phillips
>>> Sessional tutor
>>> School of Education, Curtin University
>>> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au <mailto:rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au>
>>> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
>>> Education
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Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-30 Thread Ronda Brown

Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,

The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all four of 
which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it won’t charge faster 
if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)

Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same connector 
as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, plus Thunderbolt 2, 
via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 Gbps and is backward 
compatible with older USB devices. 
These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays. 
That’s impressive.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\
> 
> Rob
> 
>> On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
>> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
>> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
>> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
>> 
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Rob
>>> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
>>> external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb 
>>> internal drive might do.
>>> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
>>> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
>>> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 
>>> 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
>>> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
>>> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
>>> external drive.
>>> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
>>> Brian Risbey 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone
>>> 
>>> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
>>> what about the price?
>>> 
>>> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
>>> of photos!
>>> 
>>> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
>>> 
>>> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
>>> 1980s...
>>> 
>>> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  
>>> I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
>>> 
>>> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
>>> 
>>> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use 
>>> my computer as I move around?
>>> 
>>> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Dr Rob Phillips
>>> Sessional tutor
>>> School of Education, Curtin University
>>> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au
>>> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
>>> Education
>>> Fellow, Higher Education Research and Development Society of Australasia>
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Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-30 Thread Rob Phillips


He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\

Rob

On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new 
MacBook Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, 
if you are interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's 
choices...


http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

Sent from my iPad

On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY <risb...@bigpond.com 
<mailto:risb...@bigpond.com>> wrote:



Hi Rob
I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 
1Tb internal drive might do.

My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to 
$6k. So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The 
last, a 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one 
down yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't 
want an external drive.

My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
Brian Risbey



On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au 
<mailto:r.phill...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:


Hi everyone

I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, 
but what about the price?


The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 
400Gb of photos!


And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...

This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
1980s...


And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices 
to.  I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep 
working...


Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?

Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to 
use my computer as I move around?


Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?

Rob

--
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Sessional tutor
School of Education, Curtin University
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Tertiary Education

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Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-30 Thread Michael Hawkins

In my irritated opinion the changes to the iOS are bad enough.

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 12:30 pm, Susan Hastings <shasti...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
> 
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rob
>> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
>> external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb 
>> internal drive might do.
>> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
>> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
>> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 17", 
>> now 8 years old, is still humming along.
>> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
>> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
>> external drive.
>> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
>> Brian Risbey 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone
>> 
>> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
>> what about the price?
>> 
>> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
>> of photos!
>> 
>> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
>> 
>> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
>> 1980s...
>> 
>> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  I've 
>> got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
>> 
>> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
>> 
>> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use my 
>> computer as I move around?
>> 
>> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dr Rob Phillips
>> Sessional tutor
>> School of Education, Curtin University
>> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au
>> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
>> Education
>> Fellow, Higher Education Research and Development Society of Australasia
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Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-29 Thread Susan Hastings

Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook Pros. 
It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are interested 
in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY <risb...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob
> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered external 
> SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb internal 
> drive might do.
> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 17", 
> now 8 years old, is still humming along.
> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
> external drive.
> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
> Brian Risbey 
> 
> 
> 
> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone
> 
> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but what 
> about the price?
> 
> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
> of photos!
> 
> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
> 
> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 1980s...
> 
> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  I've 
> got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
> 
> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
> 
> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use my 
> computer as I move around?
> 
> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
> 
> Rob
> 
> -- 
> Dr Rob Phillips
> Sessional tutor
> School of Education, Curtin University
> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au
> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
> Education
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Re: New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-28 Thread Brian RISBEY

Hi Rob
I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered external 
SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb internal drive 
might do.
My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. So, 
they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 17", now 8 
years old, is still humming along.
I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down yet? 
Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an external 
drive.
My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
Brian Risbey 



On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips  wrote:

Hi everyone

I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but what 
about the price?

The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb of 
photos!

And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...

This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 1980s...

And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  I've 
got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...

Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?

Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use my 
computer as I move around?

Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?

Rob

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School of Education, Curtin University
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New Macbook Pros?

2016-10-28 Thread Rob Phillips


Hi everyone

I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
what about the price?


The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 
400Gb of photos!


And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...

This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
1980s...


And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  
I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...


Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?

Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to 
use my computer as I move around?


Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?

Rob

--
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Sessional tutor
School of Education, Curtin University
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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

2012-06-14 Thread S Beach

Thanks for those links Neil
And thanks for the advice  links to articles Daniel.

Well I dropped into the Apple store today (at lunch time… dopey idea) and
had a look at the new retina MBP Strategically placed just inside the door.

The default resolution of 1440x900 is ok for much of the time but for web
development work which I do most I usually have two windows side by side
which needs a much higher resolution. External monitor I hear you say…
yeah I have one of those too - with another two apps side by side. Spaces…
yep mail app etc in another space. This is not being silly. It's just an
efficient way to work when constantly working with multiple apps. And for
CAD work, which I also do, I like to have the model space as big as
possible so higher resolution is again preferable but the performance is
especially important for CAD.

The resolution on the 15 Retina display can be scaled up as far as
1920x1200 but of course then text may need to be upsized etc and graphic
elements of the UI are pretty small. Also these resolutions are not really
native for this screen but Apple's Retina optimised apps still look clear
and crisp at this resolution. Chrome and Firefox were ok at the two scaled
up settings though a little fuzzy if you look closely. As per one of the
articles Daniel linked this may be resolved in future updates of the third
party apps. Also as noted in one of those articles the resolution can be
changed in about 3 seconds (including opening preferences).

Big question is - will it strain my eyes too much?

Overall I think it would be workable and may be worth the switch to get the
extra performance of the new 15. I don't think I'd be willing to take the
drop in screen size to the non retina display.
The performance was quite nice - not surprisingly. Shutdown  restart was
lightning fast (until you load it down with a few start at boot apps).
One question which I have not yet answered is how will running Windows via
bootcamp go with the retina display… and can it be scaled too? (Yeah gotta
do it for my CAD package unfortunately.) Good chance windows will only run
at 1440x900. Not good.

So decisions decisions…

   - The lack of optical drive is no great loss to me. In fact I would have
   removed it and added a second hard drive with the SSD anyway.
   - WIth that - no space for second hard drive. Have to go for the biggest
   built in SSD I can afford at purchase and rely on external HDD if run out
   of space (which I do now anyway).
   - The lack of firewire ports - actually prefer USB3 I think.
   - Lack of ethernet port - happy to upgrade my wifi router if necessary.
   ANd there's always thunderbolt adaptors for firewire  ethernet which would
   work for the odd occasions I may need them.


So for me it really comes down to faster performance vs bigger screen.

Oooh - Better make up my mind quick. If I opt for screen size I'll need to
order within a few days. If I opt for the performance boost I will probably
wait a few months to see how the new kids settle in.

Hope this helps others who are thinking through the issues.

Shayne



On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.comwrote:

 Hi Shane,

 You might have to be quick!!

 StaticIce is showing only four entries:
 
 http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=Apple+17%22+macbook+prosp
 os=1

 And they are all over east ;o(

 Of these however, if you follow the store links, the only retailer still
 showing the 17 product (in 3 configurations) is Computer world:
 https://www.cworld.com.au/products/Laptop/17%20inch/Apple

 Of course, not all sellers are StaticIce members, and I'm not suggesting
 this retailer as a good place to buy a mac - just an indication of how
 scarce they seem to be - even ebay is only showing
  27 results found for
  apple macbook pro, 17 inches, Brand New

 So... Good luck!
 of course, if you ask him nicely, Daniel will know where to look ;o)


 Cheers



 Neil
 --
 Neil R. Houghton
 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: n...@possumology.com



 on 13/6/12 10:21 PM, Daniel Kerr at wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:

  Hi Shane
 
  You should you be able, if there is stock still around. They were pretty
  constrained before discontinued.
  One of the wholesaler I know has none left in Australia.
  I'm checking for a client to see if anyone has some tomorrow to source
 it for
  him if they do.
  But I think thats the only way you'd find one,..is if someone has one
 kicking
  around.
 
  Kind regards
  Daniel
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  MacWizardry
 
  Phone: 0414 795 960
  Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
  Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
  **For everything Apple**
 
  On 13/06/2012, at 10:11 PM, S Beach wrote:
 
  mmm
  maxed out new 17 ivy bridge MBPŠ if only.
  Damn!
 
  Anyone know where I can still get a latest model 17 before they all
  disappear? Not sure that the 15, however snazzy it is, will do the job
 I
  need.
  I guess I'll have to have a look at one with

Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

2012-06-14 Thread Daniel Kerr

Hi Shayne

Good to see.
I've ordered a couple of the new Retina Displays for clients, so yes, will be 
interesting to see once they arrive.
I'm still undecided myself and am tending to lean towards the HiRes Antiglare 
screen Normal MacBook Pro and wait for rev2 of the new one. Just more so for 
some of the legacy work I still need to do with clients. (I still have 
clients with PowerPC gear and all wired networks, so if I have to join those, 
then just having a laptop with nothing to remember to plug in, or bring when 
I'm rushing around may save my bacon. :o)
But again,..time will tell. lol.

I was advised from the wholesaler that sources the gear that if you do a CTO 
option (i.e. upgrade RAM to 16GB or Hard Drive), they you may receive it faster 
then just a standard configuration. The online wait has still moved to about 
3+ weeks already,…so yes, gotta get orders in quick.
As mentioned I got two orders in today with them, so hopefully they'll move 
them through pretty quickly,…lol. Fingers crossed.

Thanks for the extra info. Hopefully may get to see one tomorrow or Saturday 
also.

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 14/06/2012, at 9:02 PM, S Beach wrote:

 Thanks for those links Neil
 And thanks for the advice  links to articles Daniel.
 
 Well I dropped into the Apple store today (at lunch time… dopey idea) and
 had a look at the new retina MBP Strategically placed just inside the door.
 
 The default resolution of 1440x900 is ok for much of the time but for web
 development work which I do most I usually have two windows side by side
 which needs a much higher resolution. External monitor I hear you say…
 yeah I have one of those too - with another two apps side by side. Spaces…
 yep mail app etc in another space. This is not being silly. It's just an
 efficient way to work when constantly working with multiple apps. And for
 CAD work, which I also do, I like to have the model space as big as
 possible so higher resolution is again preferable but the performance is
 especially important for CAD.
 
 The resolution on the 15 Retina display can be scaled up as far as
 1920x1200 but of course then text may need to be upsized etc and graphic
 elements of the UI are pretty small. Also these resolutions are not really
 native for this screen but Apple's Retina optimised apps still look clear
 and crisp at this resolution. Chrome and Firefox were ok at the two scaled
 up settings though a little fuzzy if you look closely. As per one of the
 articles Daniel linked this may be resolved in future updates of the third
 party apps. Also as noted in one of those articles the resolution can be
 changed in about 3 seconds (including opening preferences).
 
 Big question is - will it strain my eyes too much?
 
 Overall I think it would be workable and may be worth the switch to get the
 extra performance of the new 15. I don't think I'd be willing to take the
 drop in screen size to the non retina display.
 The performance was quite nice - not surprisingly. Shutdown  restart was
 lightning fast (until you load it down with a few start at boot apps).
 One question which I have not yet answered is how will running Windows via
 bootcamp go with the retina display… and can it be scaled too? (Yeah gotta
 do it for my CAD package unfortunately.) Good chance windows will only run
 at 1440x900. Not good.
 
 So decisions decisions…
 
   - The lack of optical drive is no great loss to me. In fact I would have
   removed it and added a second hard drive with the SSD anyway.
   - WIth that - no space for second hard drive. Have to go for the biggest
   built in SSD I can afford at purchase and rely on external HDD if run out
   of space (which I do now anyway).
   - The lack of firewire ports - actually prefer USB3 I think.
   - Lack of ethernet port - happy to upgrade my wifi router if necessary.
   ANd there's always thunderbolt adaptors for firewire  ethernet which would
   work for the odd occasions I may need them.
 
 
 So for me it really comes down to faster performance vs bigger screen.
 
 Oooh - Better make up my mind quick. If I opt for screen size I'll need to
 order within a few days. If I opt for the performance boost I will probably
 wait a few months to see how the new kids settle in.
 
 Hope this helps others who are thinking through the issues.
 
 Shayne
 
 
 
 On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.comwrote:
 
 Hi Shane,
 
 You might have to be quick!!
 
 StaticIce is showing only four entries:
 
 http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=Apple+17%22+macbook+prosp
 os=1
 
 And they are all over east ;o(
 
 Of these however, if you follow the store links, the only retailer still
 showing the 17 product (in 3 configurations) is Computer world:
 https://www.cworld.com.au/products/Laptop/17%20inch/Apple
 
 Of course, not all sellers are

Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-14 Thread Ronda Brown

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 On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:
 
 If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or 
 Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina Display 
 MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the 
 fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the still long 
 battery life given the retina display seem more reminiscent of a server 
 than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete graphics card, apart from 
 being a must for gamers (which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU 
 processing power that is being utilized by more and more apps.
 
 I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the 
 best computer that Apple has ever produced.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces 
 of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Blitto
 
 The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
 
 http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
 
 
 Pedro
 
 
 On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
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 please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
 why?tablitto
 
 
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2012-06-14 Thread Daniel Kerr

. I'll have to come back). Again, this won't affect 
 everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both sides of the coin.
 
 I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know 
 I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit down 
 and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I want 
 out of the laptop. What features are the must have and what features 
 are the can work around or live with. Is the Retina Display going to 
 be huge in the type of work I do, versus the (sometimes) need for 
 legacy items in the type of work I do. (How much more weight can my 
 back support in all the extras I have to or need to carry around,…lol).
 
 Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new 
 MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from there 
 I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
 And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)
 
 Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
 And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the 
 night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)
 
 Enjoy!
 
 Kind regards
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 ---
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 On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:
 
 If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or 
 Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina Display 
 MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the 
 fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the still long 
 battery life given the retina display seem more reminiscent of a server 
 than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete graphics card, apart from 
 being a must for gamers (which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU 
 processing power that is being utilized by more and more apps.
 
 I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the 
 best computer that Apple has ever produced.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces 
 of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Blitto
 
 The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
 
 http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
 
 
 Pedro
 
 
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 please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
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stuff around in our bag without adding to it. And if
you leave it behind or it drops off during a transfer, you've wasted
time. (And time is money as they say,…lol). Oh sorry, I can't access
your Firewire drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter
with my last client. I'll have to come back). Again, this won't affect
everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both sides of the coin.

I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know
I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit down
and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I want
out of the laptop. What features are the must have and what features
are the can work around or live with. Is the Retina Display going to
be huge in the type of work I do, versus the (sometimes) need for
legacy items in the type of work I do. (How much more weight can my
back support in all the extras I have to or need to carry around,…lol).

Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new
MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from there
I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)

Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the
night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)

Enjoy!

Kind regards
Daniel
---
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On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:

If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or
Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina
Display MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor
power, the fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the
still long battery life given the retina display seem more reminiscent
of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete graphics card,
apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not) will provide a
bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized by more and more
apps.

I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the
best computer that Apple has ever produced.

Regards,
Carlo

PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy
pieces of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.

Sent from my iPad

On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi Blitto

The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help

http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/

Pedro

On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

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why?tablitto

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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-14 Thread Daniel Kerr

access to things like Firewire,
Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone and
it comes down to their use of the laptop, and that you can hang off
adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's ease of use
and quick access. Do you want to carry around a Thunderbolt to
Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, a Thunderbolt
Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use for these things. But again,
in some circumstances some people do. On the read of various forums a
lot of mobile editors and tech support people do still want these
things. They (we?) carry enough stuff around in our bag without adding
to it. And if you leave it behind or it drops off during a transfer,
you've wasted time. (And time is money as they say,…lol). Oh sorry, I
can't access your Firewire drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to
Firewire800 adapter with my last client. I'll have to come back).
Again, this won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both
sides of the coin.

Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new
MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from
there I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)

Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the
night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)

Enjoy!

Kind regards
Daniel
---
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Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
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**For everything Apple**

On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:

If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or
Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina
Display MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor
power, the fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the
still long battery life given the retina display seem more
reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete
graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not)
will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized by
more and more apps.

I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is
the best computer that Apple has ever produced.

Regards,
Carlo

PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy
pieces of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.

Sent from my iPad

On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi Blitto

The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help

http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/

Pedro

On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros -
please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
why?tablitto

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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-14 Thread cm

for…that and my brain is in almost sleep mode to go
look it up,…lol).

And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some
people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field
they're in, they still want quick access to things like Firewire,
Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone
and it comes down to their use of the laptop, and that you can hang
off adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's ease of
use and quick access. Do you want to carry around a Thunderbolt to
Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, a Thunderbolt
Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use for these things. But
again, in some circumstances some people do. On the read of various
forums a lot of mobile editors and tech support people do still want
these things. They (we?) carry enough stuff around in our bag without
adding to it. And if you leave it behind or it drops off during a
transfer, you've wasted time. (And time is money as they say,…lol).
Oh sorry, I can't access your Firewire drive today, I left my
Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter with my last client. I'll have to
come back). Again, this won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to
point out both sides of the coin.

I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know
I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit
down and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I
want out of the laptop. What features are the must have and what
features are the can work around or live with. Is the Retina
Display going to be huge in the type of work I do, versus the
(sometimes) need for legacy items in the type of work I do. (How
much more weight can my back support in all the extras I have to or
need to carry around,…lol).

Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new
MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from
there I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)

Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the
night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)

Enjoy!

Kind regards
Daniel
---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au

**For everything Apple**

On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:

If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or
Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina
Display MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor
power, the fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the
still long battery life given the retina display seem more
reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete
graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not)
will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized
by more and more apps.

I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is
the best computer that Apple has ever produced.

Regards,
Carlo

PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy
pieces of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.

Sent from my iPad

On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi Blitto

The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help

http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/

Pedro

On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros
-
please do you have an opinion as to which one you would
purchase?And
why?tablitto

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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-14 Thread Ronda Brown

the Flash
Storage built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it
would cost $480 to add a 256MB SSD drive to the standard
MacBookPro. So data access would be a win there. (And I'm not to
sure how much of a difference Flash Storage versus SSD in real
world tests accounts for…that and my brain is in almost sleep mode
to go look it up,…lol).

And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some
people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field
they're in, they still want quick access to things like Firewire,
Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone
and it comes down to their use of the laptop, and that you can
hang off adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's
ease of use and quick access. Do you want to carry around a
Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet
adapter, a Thunderbolt Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use for
these things. But again, in some circumstances some people do. On
the read of various forums a lot of mobile editors and tech support
people do still want these things. They (we?) carry enough stuff
around in our bag without adding to it. And if you leave it behind
or it drops off during a transfer, you've wasted time. (And time
is money as they say,…lol). Oh sorry, I can't access your Firewire
drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter with my
last client. I'll have to come back). Again, this won't affect
everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both sides of the coin.

I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know
I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit
down and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly
I want out of the laptop. What features are the must have and what
features are the can work around or live with. Is the Retina
Display going to be huge in the type of work I do, versus the
(sometimes) need for legacy items in the type of work I do. (How
much more weight can my back support in all the extras I have to or
need to carry around,…lol).

Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new
MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from
there I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)

Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the
night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)

Enjoy!

Kind regards
Daniel
---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au

**For everything Apple**

On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:

If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or
Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina
Display MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor
power, the fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and
the still long battery life given the retina display seem more
reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete
graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not)
will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized
by more and more apps.

I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is
the best computer that Apple has ever produced.

Regards,
Carlo

PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy
pieces of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.

Sent from my iPad

On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi Blitto

The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help

http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/

Pedro

On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook
pros -
please do you have an opinion as to which one you would
purchase?And
why?tablitto

Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-14 Thread Daniel Kerr

. But how much of a difference this is in real world
speeds, would depend on the task.
Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash
Storage built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it
would cost $480 to add a 256MB SSD drive to the standard
MacBookPro. So data access would be a win there. (And I'm not to
sure how much of a difference Flash Storage versus SSD in real
world tests accounts for…that and my brain is in almost sleep mode
to go look it up,…lol).

And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some
people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field
they're in, they still want quick access to things like Firewire,
Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone
and it comes down to their use of the laptop, and that you can
hang off adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's
ease of use and quick access. Do you want to carry around a
Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet
adapter, a Thunderbolt Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use for
these things. But again, in some circumstances some people do. On
the read of various forums a lot of mobile editors and tech support
people do still want these things. They (we?) carry enough stuff
around in our bag without adding to it. And if you leave it behind
or it drops off during a transfer, you've wasted time. (And time
is money as they say,…lol). Oh sorry, I can't access your Firewire
drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter with my
last client. I'll have to come back). Again, this won't affect
everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both sides of the coin.

I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know
I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit
down and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly
I want out of the laptop. What features are the must have and what
features are the can work around or live with. Is the Retina
Display going to be huge in the type of work I do, versus the
(sometimes) need for legacy items in the type of work I do. (How
much more weight can my back support in all the extras I have to or
need to carry around,…lol).

Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new
MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from
there I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)

Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the
night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)

Enjoy!

Kind regards
Daniel
---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au

**For everything Apple**

On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:

If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or
Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina
Display MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor
power, the fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and
the still long battery life given the retina display seem more
reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete
graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not)
will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized
by more and more apps.

I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is
the best computer that Apple has ever produced.

Regards,
Carlo

PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy
pieces of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.

Sent from my iPad

On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi Blitto

The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help

http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/

Pedro

On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook
pros -
please do you have an opinion as to which one you would
purchase?And
why?tablitto

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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-14 Thread cm

MacBook Pro 15 that Apple say can go
to 8GB RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And
it runs fine.) So I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as
well.

The Standard MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at
2.6GHz versus 2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real
world speeds, would depend on the task.
Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash
Storage built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it
would cost $480 to add a 256MB SSD drive to the standard
MacBookPro. So data access would be a win there. (And I'm not to
sure how much of a difference Flash Storage versus SSD in real
world tests accounts for…that and my brain is in almost sleep mode
to go look it up,…lol).

And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For
some people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the
field they're in, they still want quick access to things like
Firewire, Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect
everyone and it comes down to their use of the laptop, and that
you can hang off adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day,
it's ease of use and quick access. Do you want to carry around a
Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet
adapter, a Thunderbolt Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use
for these things. But again, in some circumstances some people do.
On the read of various forums a lot of mobile editors and tech
support people do still want these things. They (we?) carry enough
stuff around in our bag without adding to it. And if you leave it
behind or it drops off during a transfer, you've wasted time.
(And time is money as they say,…lol). Oh sorry, I can't access
your Firewire drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to Firewire800
adapter with my last client. I'll have to come back). Again, this
won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both sides of
the coin.

I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I
know I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to
sit down and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it
exactly I want out of the laptop. What features are the must have
and what features are the can work around or live with. Is the
Retina Display going to be huge in the type of work I do, versus
the (sometimes) need for legacy items in the type of work I do.
(How much more weight can my back support in all the extras I have
to or need to carry around,…lol).

Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new
MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from
there I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)

Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the
night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)

Enjoy!

Kind regards
Daniel
---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au

**For everything Apple**

On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:

If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or
Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina
Display MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of
processor power, the fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash
drive, and the still long battery life given the retina display
seem more reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also
the discrete graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers
(which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU processing power that
is being utilized by more and more apps.

I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is
the best computer that Apple has ever produced.

Regards,
Carlo

PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy
pieces of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.

Sent from my iPad

On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi Blitto

The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help

http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/

Pedro

On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook
pros -
please do you have an opinion as to which one you would
purchase?And
why?tablitto

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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-14 Thread David Wood

and automatic graphics switching. So that
part is the same on both models.
And I would think the standard MacBook Pro 15 will still go to
16GB RAM as well.
(I'm working on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15 that Apple say can go
to 8GB RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And
it runs fine.) So I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as
well.

And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For
some people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the
field they're in, they still want quick access to things like
Firewire, Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect
everyone and it comes down to their use of the laptop, and that
you can hang off adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day,
it's ease of use and quick access. Do you want to carry around a
Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet
adapter, a Thunderbolt Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use
for these things. But again, in some circumstances some people do.
On the read of various forums a lot of mobile editors and tech
support people do still want these things. They (we?) carry enough
stuff around in our bag without adding to it. And if you leave it
behind or it drops off during a transfer, you've wasted time.
(And time is money as they say,…lol). Oh sorry, I can't access
your Firewire drive today, I left my Thunderbolt to Firewire800
adapter with my last client. I'll have to come back). Again, this
won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to point out both sides of
the coin.

I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I
know I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to
sit down and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it
exactly I want out of the laptop. What features are the must have
and what features are the can work around or live with. Is the
Retina Display going to be huge in the type of work I do, versus
the (sometimes) need for legacy items in the type of work I do.
(How much more weight can my back support in all the extras I have
to or need to carry around,…lol).

Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new
MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from
there I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job…..
And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :)

Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the
night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)

Enjoy!

Kind regards
Daniel
---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au

**For everything Apple**

On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:

If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or
Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina
Display MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of
processor power, the fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash
drive, and the still long battery life given the retina display
seem more reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also
the discrete graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers
(which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU processing power that
is being utilized by more and more apps.

I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is
the best computer that Apple has ever produced.

Regards,
Carlo

PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy
pieces of foil coated plastic known as DVDs.

Sent from my iPad

On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi Blitto

The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help

http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/

Pedro

On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook
pros -
please do you have an opinion as to which one you would
purchase?And
why?tablitto

Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-14 Thread Rod Kevill

/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new  
 macbook pros -
 please do you have an opinion as to which one you  
 would purchase?And
 why?tablitto


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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-13 Thread rblit

Thank you Daniel, Carlo and PedroI appreciate your in depth
knowledge.I guess doing the school magazine in In Design and managing
my photos in Aperture are my priorities.Have been chugging away on 3.5
yr old macbook pro, so any new one will be good.I think 15 inch screen
will be helpful and then because I am a hoarding untidy slob  - lots'
of hard disk space is important.And cos I have half a conscience I am
mindful that my school is paying for it.Baring all that in mind at
this stage I am thinking of the 15inch 2.6gh without R Display with
1TB HD and 8 gb ram.
cheers guysblitto

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:35 +0800
Subject:Re: new macbook pros

 Hi Daniel,

 With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model.
Whatever you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker). The
new Retina MBP is truly a technical marvel. To quote again it is the
best computer Apple has ever produced.

 Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-)

 Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month or
so to see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the
circuitry to iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim
Cook wanting to appear competent but it is still a possibility. It did
occur to me also that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as in
the case of the MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the case.
For the MacBook Air they have that restriction in place because of the
nature of the case -- it give advantages in strength and makes it more
watertight. If that were the case with the new Retina MBP I would be
tempted to buy the highest spec one I could afford from the get go.
True you would not be able to upgrade it, but as a trade off the unit
would be stronger -- time will tell on this point.

 Regards,
 Carlo

 On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote:

  Hi Carlo
  
  Yes, had all those points.
  Just to add to yours those. I don't really have to lose the
Optical drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in
this laptop. (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6
SSD 256GB Drive. So I still get to keep my Optical drive and have the
speed performance of the SSD. So I could do the same with the new one.
Just swap over the drive.) I then get both SSD and Optical still :o)
  Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that
before anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400
adapter. It just clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I have
no cables, I still have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my
pocket carries 2 flash drives, that adapter and a pocket knife,…lol.
  And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB
multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of what
I need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually
only run on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to work
with. :o)
  I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had
the MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're
out of pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free on
the standard MBP. :o)
  
  The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP
$2499), so I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM and
drives versus adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So the
old MBP would work out more expensive.
  
  But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes
down to what the person wants to do with it.
  It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the
500GB SSD. (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various
machines. Or can you lean out what you store on the machine and keep
an external USB drive with you. (Or at home). Some will see the value
that extra storage space will be to have it internally and $600 will
be fine. Others will take the 256GB SSD and buy a 500GB USB drive
(which is about $100-$150 depending on brands etc). It's perception of
value versus useful versus budget.
  
  That was another thing with the new MBP-RD. You can't add to it
if you have. Budget restrictions mean you can buy a standard MBP and
then down the track add in more RAM later (take it from 8GB to 16GB)
and as pricing comes down take out the normal drive and add in an SSD
of your choice at a later date. I could be wrong, but I think you have
to make all those choices with the MBP-RD at the start as you can't
modify it later on. I haven't looked at that point with detail, so as
mentioned could be wrong, but was just something i had thought of last
night after my other post,..lol.
  
  Still though, I'm still un-decided on both,…lol. :o) I think
they're both great machines, I can just see some of the
advantages/disadvatages to both :o) And that may be the same for other
people looking at both machines as well. 
  Some will suit one person, some will suit others. That's the nature
of the beast.
  But hey

Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-13 Thread Roger Kortas

Hi Rod

Take your time before you decide as the base 15 with retina display is cheaper 
than the 15 2.6 and the hi-res screen would really help with the things you 
are doing.  External HD's are very cheap and you could get a couple and rotate 
them as part of a back up scheme.  But really I think you should go and have a 
look at both together and then decide.

I have just ordered two for work and they are for people that do what you are 
doing :)

Best regards

Roger

On 13/06/2012, at 7:35 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Thank you Daniel, Carlo and PedroI appreciate your in depth
 knowledge.I guess doing the school magazine in In Design and managing
 my photos in Aperture are my priorities.Have been chugging away on 3.5
 yr old macbook pro, so any new one will be good.I think 15 inch screen
 will be helpful and then because I am a hoarding untidy slob  - lots'
 of hard disk space is important.And cos I have half a conscience I am
 mindful that my school is paying for it.Baring all that in mind at
 this stage I am thinking of the 15inch 2.6gh without R Display with
 1TB HD and 8 gb ram.
 cheers guysblitto
 
 - Original Message -
 From: wamug@wamug.org.au
 To:
 Cc:
 Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:35 +0800
 Subject:Re: new macbook pros
 
 Hi Daniel,
 
 With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model.
 Whatever you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker). The
 new Retina MBP is truly a technical marvel. To quote again it is the
 best computer Apple has ever produced.
 
 Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-)
 
 Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month or
 so to see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the
 circuitry to iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim
 Cook wanting to appear competent but it is still a possibility. It did
 occur to me also that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as in
 the case of the MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the case.
 For the MacBook Air they have that restriction in place because of the
 nature of the case -- it give advantages in strength and makes it more
 watertight. If that were the case with the new Retina MBP I would be
 tempted to buy the highest spec one I could afford from the get go.
 True you would not be able to upgrade it, but as a trade off the unit
 would be stronger -- time will tell on this point.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
 
 Hi Carlo
 
 Yes, had all those points.
 Just to add to yours those. I don't really have to lose the
 Optical drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in
 this laptop. (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6
 SSD 256GB Drive. So I still get to keep my Optical drive and have the
 speed performance of the SSD. So I could do the same with the new one.
 Just swap over the drive.) I then get both SSD and Optical still :o)
 Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that
 before anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400
 adapter. It just clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I have
 no cables, I still have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my
 pocket carries 2 flash drives, that adapter and a pocket knife,…lol.
 And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB
 multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of what
 I need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually
 only run on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to work
 with. :o)
 I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had
 the MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're
 out of pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free on
 the standard MBP. :o)
 
 The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP
 $2499), so I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM and
 drives versus adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So the
 old MBP would work out more expensive.
 
 But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes
 down to what the person wants to do with it.
 It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the
 500GB SSD. (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various
 machines. Or can you lean out what you store on the machine and keep
 an external USB drive with you. (Or at home). Some will see the value
 that extra storage space will be to have it internally and $600 will
 be fine. Others will take the 256GB SSD and buy a 500GB USB drive
 (which is about $100-$150 depending on brands etc). It's perception of
 value versus useful versus budget.
 
 That was another thing with the new MBP-RD. You can't add to it
 if you have. Budget restrictions mean you can buy a standard MBP and
 then down the track add in more RAM later (take it from 8GB to 16GB)
 and as pricing comes down take out the normal drive and add in an SSD
 of your choice at a later date. I could be wrong, but I

Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-13 Thread Reg Whitely

Hey Rod, don't forget you can salary sacrifice this and save your tax $$ so you 
can option up or save money for the next grumpy trip.

Reg

Reg Whitely

Home: 08 9921 7272
Mob: 04 8899 7313
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net



On 13/06/2012, at 7:35 pm, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Thank you Daniel, Carlo and PedroI appreciate your in depth
 knowledge.I guess doing the school magazine in In Design and managing
 my photos in Aperture are my priorities.Have been chugging away on 3.5
 yr old macbook pro, so any new one will be good.I think 15 inch screen
 will be helpful and then because I am a hoarding untidy slob  - lots'
 of hard disk space is important.And cos I have half a conscience I am
 mindful that my school is paying for it.Baring all that in mind at
 this stage I am thinking of the 15inch 2.6gh without R Display with
 1TB HD and 8 gb ram.
 cheers guysblitto
 
 - Original Message -
 From: wamug@wamug.org.au
 To:
 Cc:
 Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:35 +0800
 Subject:Re: new macbook pros
 
 Hi Daniel,
 
 With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model.
 Whatever you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker). The
 new Retina MBP is truly a technical marvel. To quote again it is the
 best computer Apple has ever produced.
 
 Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-)
 
 Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month or
 so to see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the
 circuitry to iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim
 Cook wanting to appear competent but it is still a possibility. It did
 occur to me also that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as in
 the case of the MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the case.
 For the MacBook Air they have that restriction in place because of the
 nature of the case -- it give advantages in strength and makes it more
 watertight. If that were the case with the new Retina MBP I would be
 tempted to buy the highest spec one I could afford from the get go.
 True you would not be able to upgrade it, but as a trade off the unit
 would be stronger -- time will tell on this point.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote:
 
 Hi Carlo
 
 Yes, had all those points.
 Just to add to yours those. I don't really have to lose the
 Optical drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in
 this laptop. (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6
 SSD 256GB Drive. So I still get to keep my Optical drive and have the
 speed performance of the SSD. So I could do the same with the new one.
 Just swap over the drive.) I then get both SSD and Optical still :o)
 Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that
 before anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400
 adapter. It just clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I have
 no cables, I still have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my
 pocket carries 2 flash drives, that adapter and a pocket knife,…lol.
 And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB
 multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of what
 I need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually
 only run on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to work
 with. :o)
 I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had
 the MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're
 out of pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free on
 the standard MBP. :o)
 
 The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP
 $2499), so I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM and
 drives versus adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So the
 old MBP would work out more expensive.
 
 But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes
 down to what the person wants to do with it.
 It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the
 500GB SSD. (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various
 machines. Or can you lean out what you store on the machine and keep
 an external USB drive with you. (Or at home). Some will see the value
 that extra storage space will be to have it internally and $600 will
 be fine. Others will take the 256GB SSD and buy a 500GB USB drive
 (which is about $100-$150 depending on brands etc). It's perception of
 value versus useful versus budget.
 
 That was another thing with the new MBP-RD. You can't add to it
 if you have. Budget restrictions mean you can buy a standard MBP and
 then down the track add in more RAM later (take it from 8GB to 16GB)
 and as pricing comes down take out the normal drive and add in an SSD
 of your choice at a later date. I could be wrong, but I think you have
 to make all those choices with the MBP-RD at the start as you can't
 modify it later on. I haven't looked at that point with detail, so as
 mentioned could be wrong, but was just something i had thought of last
 night after my other

Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-13 Thread rblit

hi Regi got a13 inch Air for the Grumpy camping trips.But my boss can
pay for my work machine, especially as i do the school magazine
etc cheersrod

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From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:26:03 +0800
Subject:Re: new macbook pros

 Hey Rod, don't forget you can salary sacrifice this and save your tax
$$ so you can option up or save money for the next grumpy trip.

 Reg

 Reg Whitely

 Home: 08 9921 7272
 Mob: 04 8899 7313
 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net

 On 13/06/2012, at 7:35 pm, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

  Thank you Daniel, Carlo and PedroI appreciate your in depth
  knowledge.I guess doing the school magazine in In Design and
managing
  my photos in Aperture are my priorities.Have been chugging away on
3.5
  yr old macbook pro, so any new one will be good.I think 15 inch
screen
  will be helpful and then because I am a hoarding untidy slob -
lots'
  of hard disk space is important.And cos I have half a conscience I
am
  mindful that my school is paying for it.Baring all that in mind at
  this stage I am thinking of the 15inch 2.6gh without R Display with
  1TB HD and 8 gb ram.
  cheers guysblitto

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  From: wamug@wamug.org.au
  To:
  Cc:
  Sent:Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:35 +0800
  Subject:Re: new macbook pros

  Hi Daniel,

  With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model.
  Whatever you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker).
The
  new Retina MBP is truly a technical marvel. To quote again it is
the
  best computer Apple has ever produced.

  Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-)

  Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month
or
  so to see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the
  circuitry to iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim
  Cook wanting to appear competent but it is still a possibility. It
did
  occur to me also that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as
in
  the case of the MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the
case.
  For the MacBook Air they have that restriction in place because of
the
  nature of the case -- it give advantages in strength and makes it
more
  watertight. If that were the case with the new Retina MBP I would
be
  tempted to buy the highest spec one I could afford from the get go.
  True you would not be able to upgrade it, but as a trade off the
unit
  would be stronger -- time will tell on this point.

  Regards,
  Carlo

  On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote:

  Hi Carlo

  Yes, had all those points.
  Just to add to yours those. I don't really have to lose the
  Optical drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in
  this laptop. (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6
  SSD 256GB Drive. So I still get to keep my Optical drive and have
the
  speed performance of the SSD. So I could do the same with the new
one.
  Just swap over the drive.) I then get both SSD and Optical still
:o)
  Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that
  before anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400
  adapter. It just clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I
have
  no cables, I still have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my
  pocket carries 2 flash drives, that adapter and a pocket
knife,…lol.
  And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB
  multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of
what
  I need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually
  only run on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to
work
  with. :o)
  I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had
  the MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're
  out of pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free
on
  the standard MBP. :o)

  The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP
  $2499), so I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM
and
  drives versus adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So
the
  old MBP would work out more expensive.

  But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes
  down to what the person wants to do with it.
  It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the
  500GB SSD. (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various
  machines. Or can you lean out what you store on the machine and
keep
  an external USB drive with you. (Or at home). Some will see the
value
  that extra storage space will be to have it internally and $600
will
  be fine. Others will take the 256GB SSD and buy a 500GB USB drive
  (which is about $100-$150 depending on brands etc). It's perception
of
  value versus useful versus budget.

  That was another thing with the new MBP-RD. You can't add to it
  if you have. Budget restrictions mean you can buy a standard MBP
and
  then down the track add in more RAM later (take it from 8GB to
16GB

new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

2012-06-13 Thread Brian Risbey

Hi all,
firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17 MacBookPro...
and now from iFixit quote:

iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ” the least repairable 
laptop” its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:

and 
 some of the “highlights” of the tear down detailing the difficulties with 
repairability:

* Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary Pentalobe 
screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That means you 
need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
* As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 
16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.

* The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but not 
identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re 
hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.

* The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, which 
increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The battery also 
covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that a user 
will shear the cable in the battery removal process.

* The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting it. 
If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the entire 
(extremely expensive) assembly.


During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various 
replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD  ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),

so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?

Brian

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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-13 Thread Daniel Kerr

 help
 
 http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
 
 
 Pedro
 
 
 On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros -
 please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
 why?tablitto
 
 
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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

2012-06-13 Thread cm

I have had an entirely different experience with my 17-inch Early 2009 MacBook 
Pro. A screwdriver has never breached its case. I bought it at the time with 
the best specs I could afford (which did not extend to the fastest processor 
available) and it has worked tirelessly for me from that time right up to 
present as it churns out this email. For the first year of ownership any parts 
that fail will be replaced by Apple free of charge. If you are concerned about 
parts failure after this time you can always get the extended AppleCare 
warranty and Apple will replace motherboards, displays or whatever is required. 
Of even without AppleCare you can pay for the servicing of you machine by a 
qualified Apple service technician. I don't see a need to get a refurbished 
machine.

Regards,
Carlo



 User modifications can potentially void the warranty.



On 13/06/2012, at 21:44 , Brian Risbey wrote:

 Hi all,
 firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17 MacBookPro...
 and now from iFixit quote:
 
 iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ” the least repairable 
 laptop” its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:
 
 and 
 some of the “highlights” of the tear down detailing the difficulties with 
 repairability:
 
 * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary Pentalobe 
 screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That means you 
 need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
 * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 
 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.
 
 * The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but 
 not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re 
 hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
 
 * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, 
 which increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The battery 
 also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that 
 a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
 
 * The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting 
 it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the 
 entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
 
 
 During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various 
 replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD  ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),
 
 so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
 
 Brian
 
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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

2012-06-13 Thread S Beach

mmm
maxed out new 17 ivy bridge MBP… if only.
Damn!

Anyone know where I can still get a latest model 17 before they all
disappear? Not sure that the 15, however snazzy it is, will do the job I
need.
I guess I'll have to have a look at one with retina display and see what it
is like.

Shayne

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Brian Risbey risb...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17 MacBookPro...
 and now from iFixit quote:

 iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ” the least repairable
 laptop” its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:

 and
  some of the “highlights” of the tear down detailing the difficulties with
 repairability:

 * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary
 Pentalobe screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That
 means you need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
 * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out
 at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.

 * The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but
 not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and
 we’re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.

 * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case,
 which increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The
 battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the
 chance that a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.

 * The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass
 protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to
 replace the entire (extremely expensive) assembly.


 During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various
 replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD  ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),

 so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?

 Brian

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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

2012-06-13 Thread Brian Risbey

Just to qualify the laptop/s that is, there were 4 different models over the 
years. Not one dud ;-) and yes they were all repaired, but if parts are glued 
or bonded then fixability could be an issue, batteries don't last forever and 
HDs do fail, though the SSD will remove that issue.
Back to the reports...

Brian



On 13/06/2012, at 9:59 PM, cm wrote:

I have had an entirely different experience with my 17-inch Early 2009 MacBook 
Pro. A screwdriver has never breached its case. I bought it at the time with 
the best specs I could afford (which did not extend to the fastest processor 
available) and it has worked tirelessly for me from that time right up to 
present as it churns out this email. For the first year of ownership any parts 
that fail will be replaced by Apple free of charge. If you are concerned about 
parts failure after this time you can always get the extended AppleCare 
warranty and Apple will replace motherboards, displays or whatever is required. 
Of even without AppleCare you can pay for the servicing of you machine by a 
qualified Apple service technician. I don't see a need to get a refurbished 
machine.

Regards,
Carlo



User modifications can potentially void the warranty.



On 13/06/2012, at 21:44 , Brian Risbey wrote:

 Hi all,
 firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17 MacBookPro...
 and now from iFixit quote:
 
 iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ” the least repairable 
 laptop” its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:
 
 and 
 some of the “highlights” of the tear down detailing the difficulties with 
 repairability:
 
 * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary Pentalobe 
 screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That means you 
 need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
 * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 
 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.
 
 * The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but 
 not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re 
 hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
 
 * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, 
 which increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The battery 
 also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that 
 a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
 
 * The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting 
 it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the 
 entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
 
 
 During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various 
 replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD  ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),
 
 so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
 
 Brian
 
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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

2012-06-13 Thread Daniel Kerr

Hi Shane

You should you be able, if there is stock still around. They were pretty 
constrained before discontinued.
One of the wholesaler I know has none left in Australia.
I'm checking for a client to see if anyone has some tomorrow to source it for 
him if they do. 
But I think thats the only way you'd find one,..is if someone has one kicking 
around.

Kind regards
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On 13/06/2012, at 10:11 PM, S Beach wrote:

 mmm
 maxed out new 17 ivy bridge MBP… if only.
 Damn!
 
 Anyone know where I can still get a latest model 17 before they all
 disappear? Not sure that the 15, however snazzy it is, will do the job I
 need.
 I guess I'll have to have a look at one with retina display and see what it
 is like.
 
 Shayne
 
 On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Brian Risbey risb...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17 MacBookPro...
 and now from iFixit quote:
 
 iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ” the least repairable
 laptop” its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:
 
 and
 some of the “highlights” of the tear down detailing the difficulties with
 repairability:
 
 * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary
 Pentalobe screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That
 means you need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
 * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out
 at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.
 
 * The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but
 not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and
 we’re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
 
 * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case,
 which increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The
 battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the
 chance that a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
 
 * The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass
 protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to
 replace the entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
 
 
 During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various
 replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD  ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),
 
 so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
 
 Brian
 
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Re: new macbook pros - repairability might need to be considered

2012-06-13 Thread Neil Houghton

Hi Shane,

You might have to be quick!!

StaticIce is showing only four entries:
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=Apple+17%22+macbook+prosp
os=1

And they are all over east ;o(

Of these however, if you follow the store links, the only retailer still
showing the 17 product (in 3 configurations) is Computer world:
https://www.cworld.com.au/products/Laptop/17%20inch/Apple

Of course, not all sellers are StaticIce members, and I'm not suggesting
this retailer as a good place to buy a mac - just an indication of how
scarce they seem to be - even ebay is only showing
 27 results found for
 apple macbook pro, 17 inches, Brand New

So... Good luck!
of course, if you ask him nicely, Daniel will know where to look ;o)


Cheers



Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com



on 13/6/12 10:21 PM, Daniel Kerr at wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:

 Hi Shane
 
 You should you be able, if there is stock still around. They were pretty
 constrained before discontinued.
 One of the wholesaler I know has none left in Australia.
 I'm checking for a client to see if anyone has some tomorrow to source it for
 him if they do. 
 But I think thats the only way you'd find one,..is if someone has one kicking
 around.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 On 13/06/2012, at 10:11 PM, S Beach wrote:
 
 mmm
 maxed out new 17 ivy bridge MBP if only.
 Damn!
 
 Anyone know where I can still get a latest model 17 before they all
 disappear? Not sure that the 15, however snazzy it is, will do the job I
 need.
 I guess I'll have to have a look at one with retina display and see what it
 is like.
 
 Shayne
 
 On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Brian Risbey risb...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 firstly, massive disappointment over demise of 17 MacBookPro...
 and now from iFixit quote:
 
 iFixit found changes to the new MacBook Pro make it ² the least repairable
 laptop² its taken apart, giving it a 1/10 repair score:
 
 and
 some of the ³highlights² of the tear down detailing the difficulties with
 repairability:
 
 * Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary
 Pentalobe screws prevent folks from accessing the machine¹s internals. That
 means you need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
 * As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out
 at 16GB now, or forever hold your peaceyou can¹t upgrade.
 
 * The proprietary SSD isn¹t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but
 not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and
 we¹re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
 
 * The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case,
 which increases the chances that it¹ll break during disassembly. The
 battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the
 chance that a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
 
 * The display assembly is completely fused, and there¹s no glass
 protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to
 replace the entire (extremely expensive) assembly.
 
 
 During my time, on my 4th MacBook Pro, I had new motherboards, various
 replacement batterie, HD replacements and HD  ram upgrades (thanks Daniel),
 
 so will you need to get a refurbished machine as one part fails?
 
 Brian
 


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new macbook pros

2012-06-12 Thread rblit

Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros -
please do you have an opinion as to which one you would purchase?And
why?tablitto


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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-12 Thread Pedro

Hi Blitto

The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help

http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/


Pedro


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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-12 Thread cm

If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or Photoshop or 
if you do software development, the new 15 Retina Display MacBook Pro looks 
amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the fast huge RAM capacity, 
the enormous flash drive, and the still long battery life given the retina 
display seem more reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the 
discrete graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not) 
will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized by more and 
more apps.

I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the best 
computer that Apple has ever produced.

Regards,
Carlo

PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces of foil 
coated plastic known as DVDs.

Sent from my iPad

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 Hi Blitto
 
 The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
 
 http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
 
 
 Pedro
 
 
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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-12 Thread Daniel Kerr

 forward to the new macbook pros -
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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-12 Thread cm

 helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;))
 And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the night and 
 finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o)
 
 Enjoy!
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
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 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:
 
 If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or Photoshop 
 or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina Display MacBook Pro 
 looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the fast huge RAM 
 capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the still long battery life given 
 the retina display seem more reminiscent of a server than a thin light 
 laptop. Also the discrete graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers 
 (which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being 
 utilized by more and more apps.
 
 I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the best 
 computer that Apple has ever produced.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces of 
 foil coated plastic known as DVDs.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Blitto
 
 The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
 
 http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
 
 
 Pedro
 
 
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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-12 Thread Daniel Kerr

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Re: new macbook pros

2012-06-12 Thread cm

 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote:
 
 If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or Photoshop 
 or if you do software development, the new 15 Retina Display MacBook Pro 
 looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor power, the fast huge RAM 
 capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the still long battery life given 
 the retina display seem more reminiscent of a server than a thin light 
 laptop. Also the discrete graphics card, apart from being a must for 
 gamers (which I am not) will provide a bank of GPU processing power that 
 is being utilized by more and more apps.
 
 I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is the 
 best computer that Apple has ever produced.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy pieces of 
 foil coated plastic known as DVDs.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro pfow...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Blitto
 
 The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help
 
 http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/
 
 
 Pedro
 
 
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New MacBook Pros - This week?

2011-02-21 Thread Rod Blitvich

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/20/apple_tells_some_stores_to_expect_sealed_packages_early_this_week.htmlhttp://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/20/planning-on-buying-a-macbook-pro-wait-until-later-this-week/"Light Peak, a sort of jack-of-all-trades connection technology. Light Peak allows one interface to be used to connect pretty much any device you can plug into a computer, including displays, scanners, printers, external hard drives, and even devices such as iPods and iPhones. ..Many have suspected Light Peak is the reason Apple hasnot updated its Macs with USB 3.0-- Light Peak technology offers significantly faster data connections which top out at 10 gigabits per second in each direction"
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Re: New MacBook Pros - This week?

2011-02-21 Thread cm

Hi Rob,

Yes I, like most Apple followers, am waiting with great anticipation for the
announcement of the new MacBooks. Light Peak is not a certainty for this
release but it would be a wonderful new feature. I have advised a friend to
hold off buying a MacBook Air for two more weeks so that he can compare it with
the new MacBooks and see which he prefers.

Cheers,
Carlo

On 2011-02-21, at 17:03, Rod Blitvich wrote:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/20/apple_tells_some_stores_to_expect_sealed_packages_early_this_week.html

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/20/planning-on-buying-a-macbook-pro-wait-until-later-this-week/

Light Peak, a sort of jack-of-all-trades connection technology. Light Peak
allows one interface to be used to connect pretty much any device you can
plug into a computer, including displays, scanners, printers, external hard
drives, and even devices such as iPods and iPhones. ...
...Many have suspected Light Peak is the reason Apple has not updated its
Macs with USB 3.0 -- Light Peak technology offers significantly faster data
connections which top out at 10 gigabits per second in each direction

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Re: New MacBook Pros - This week?

2011-02-21 Thread Reg Whitely

So Rod

As I pay out the lease on the 380GT this week and get to own it outright, maybe 
I should redirect payments and salary sacrifice for a few weeks to buy a new 
MacBook Pro to replace my trusty G4 PowerBook?

Should I say, Blitto sent me!?

Reg
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 http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/20/apple_tells_some_stores_to_expect_sealed_packages_early_this_week.html
 
 http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/20/planning-on-buying-a-macbook-pro-wait-until-later-this-week/
 
  Light Peak, a sort of jack-of-all-trades connection technology. Light Peak 
 allows one interface to be used to connect pretty much any device you can 
 plug into a computer, including displays, scanners, printers, external hard 
 drives, and even devices such as iPods and iPhones. ...
 ...Many have suspected Light Peak is the reason Apple has not updated its 
 Macs with USB 3.0 -- Light Peak technology offers significantly faster data 
 connections which top out at 10 gigabits per second in each direction
 
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Re: New MacBook Pros - This week?

2011-02-21 Thread Rod Blitvich

RegFor once why can't I have a better toy than you!!Blitto:)
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Re: New MacBook Pros - This week?

2011-02-21 Thread Reg Whitely

Hasn't your AR Drone arrived yet?

Reg

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On 21/02/2011, at 8:33 pm, Rod Blitvich wrote:

 Reg
 For once why can't I have a better toy than you!!
 Blitto
 :)
 
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 Black holes suck.
 
 On 21/02/2011, at 8:22 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:
 
 So Rod
 
 As I pay out the lease on the 380GT this week and get to own it outright, 
 maybe I should redirect payments and salary sacrifice for a few weeks to buy 
 a new MacBook Pro to replace my trusty G4 PowerBook?
 
 Should I say, Blitto sent me!?
 
 Reg
 Reg Whitely
 
 Home: 08 9921 7272
 Mob: 04 8899 7313
 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
 
 
 
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 http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/20/apple_tells_some_stores_to_expect_sealed_packages_early_this_week.html
 
 http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/20/planning-on-buying-a-macbook-pro-wait-until-later-this-week/
 
  Light Peak, a sort of jack-of-all-trades connection technology. Light 
 Peak allows one interface to be used to connect pretty much any device you 
 can plug into a computer, including displays, scanners, printers, external 
 hard drives, and even devices such as iPods and iPhones. ...
 ...Many have suspected Light Peak is the reason Apple has not updated its 
 Macs with USB 3.0 -- Light Peak technology offers significantly faster data 
 connections which top out at 10 gigabits per second in each direction
 
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New MacBook Pros Boot From SD Cards

2009-06-16 Thread Ronda Brown


Hello WAMUGers interested in purchasing the new MacBook Pros,

I read this from TidBits this morning and found it Interesting:

When Apple announced the swapping of the ExpressCard slot on the
 15-inch MacBook Pro for an SD (Secure Digital) memory card slot, the
 few users of ExpressCard-compatible peripherals - at least those
 other than SD card readers - were understandably disappointed.
 (Apple claimed that only a single-digit percentage of MacBook Pro
 users used the ExpressCard slot.) For most people, the addition of
 the SD slot is welcome, since the majority of consumer-level digital
 cameras use SD cards for storage. Nevertheless, it didn't seem like
 that big of a deal either way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card

A recent Apple KnowledgeBase article reveals an extremely
 useful and previously unmentioned feature of the SD card slot: users
 can boot the Mac from an SD card with Mac OS X installed on it.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3553

 To make a bootable SD card, you must first change the default
 partition table to GUID using Disk Utility, and format the card to
 use the Mac OS Extended file format (as opposed to the FAT32 file
 format). You can then install Mac OS X onto the device, enabling it
 to boot the Mac, which could be very handy in a troubleshooting
 situation.

 The MacBook Pro SD card slot accepts cards that conform to the SD
 1.x and 2.x standards. This includes Standard SD cards, which hold
 between 4 MB and 4 GB; SDHC cards, which hold between 4 GB and 32
 GB; and the older MMC cards. MiniSD, MicroSD, MiniSDHC and MicroSDHC
 cards can work if used with adapters that enable the cards to
 conform to the necessary physical configuration. While the MacBook
 Pro can read (but not boot from) cards that use the FAT32 file
 format (the standard for most SD cards), cards that use the exFAT
 system will not work.

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
OS X 10.5.7


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Re: New MacBook Pros Boot From SD Cards

2009-06-16 Thread rkor...@iinet.net.au

Hi Guys

I have one on order and have also ordereda 32gb SD card and will let you know 
how
it works :)

roger


On Tue Jun 16 15:54 , Ronda Brown ro...@wn.com.au sent:

Hello WAMUGers interested in purchasing the new MacBook Pros,

I read this from TidBits this morning and found it Interesting:

When Apple announced the swapping of the ExpressCard slot on the
  15-inch MacBook Pro for an SD (Secure Digital) memory card slot, the
  few users of ExpressCard-compatible peripherals - at least those
  other than SD card readers - were understandably disappointed.
  (Apple claimed that only a single-digit percentage of MacBook Pro
  users used the ExpressCard slot.) For most people, the addition of
  the SD slot is welcome, since the majority of consumer-level digital
  cameras use SD cards for storage. Nevertheless, it didn't seem like
  that big of a deal either way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card

A recent Apple KnowledgeBase article reveals an extremely
  useful and previously unmentioned feature of the SD card slot: users
  can boot the Mac from an SD card with Mac OS X installed on it.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3553

 To make a bootable SD card, you must first change the default
  partition table to GUID using Disk Utility, and format the card to
  use the Mac OS Extended file format (as opposed to the FAT32 file
  format). You can then install Mac OS X onto the device, enabling it
  to boot the Mac, which could be very handy in a troubleshooting
  situation.

  The MacBook Pro SD card slot accepts cards that conform to the SD
  1.x and 2.x standards. This includes Standard SD cards, which hold
  between 4 MB and 4 GB; SDHC cards, which hold between 4 GB and 32
  GB; and the older MMC cards. MiniSD, MicroSD, MiniSDHC and MicroSDHC
  cards can work if used with adapters that enable the cards to
  conform to the necessary physical configuration. While the MacBook
  Pro can read (but not boot from) cards that use the FAT32 file
  format (the standard for most SD cards), cards that use the exFAT
  system will not work.

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
OS X 10.5.7


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New MacBook Pros

2007-06-05 Thread Eugene


Apple just announced updated MBPros.

Faster Wireless, graphics and processor.

  Regards,
  Eugene

Image

* 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 1440 x 900 resolution
* 2GB memory
* 120GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with 128MB SDRAM

Estimated Ship: 2-4 bus. days
Free Shipping
A$ 2,899.00

Image

* 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 1440 x 900 resolution
* 2GB memory
* 160GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with 256MB SDRAM

Estimated Ship: 2-4 bus. days
Free Shipping
A$ 3,599.00

Image

* 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 1680 x 1050 pixels
* 2GB memory
* 160GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with 256MB SDRAM

Estimated Ship: 2-4 bus. days
Free Shipping
A$ 3,999.00


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Re: New Macbook Pros :-)

2006-10-25 Thread Martin Hill

And as I'd hoped, the 15 now has a dual-layer 6x DVD burner and a Firewire
800 port.  Shame it still doesn't have the magnetic front latch of it's
little brother though.
It's also a pity the 200GB disk is only 4200rpm.  Oh well, we're slowly
getting there.   :-)

(what am I complaining about?  Compared to the mother of all thermal
challenges of shoe-horning a G5 into a laptop, the current pace of
development is a different world to the ole G4 stagnation.  :-)

-Mart
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 From: Rod Lavington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:07:26 +0800
 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au
 Subject: New Macbook Pros :-)
 
 Hi All!
 
 Macbook Pros were updated tonight.  39% faster than the previous models, and
 now with Core 2 Duo.  Two 15 models and 1 17 model.
 
 Highlights:
 
 2.16Ghz or 2.33Ghz
 120Gig or 160Gig HD (with the option for 200Gig!)
 6x or 8x Dual Layer Superdrives
 2Gb Memory on the high end models
 
 $3199, $3999 and $4399 with shipping in about 6-8 days.
 
 Check out:
 
 http://store.apple.com/133-622/WebObjects/australiastore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=F
 75B7EFBnclm=MacBookPro
 
 for more info!
 
 Seeya
 
 Rod!
 
 
 
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Re: New Macbook Pros :-)

2006-10-25 Thread Brett Carboni


On 24/10/2006, at 10:51 PM, Martin Hill wrote:



It's also a pity the 200GB disk is only 4200rpm.  Oh well, we're  
slowly

getting there.   :-)


Actually there's a good question here (as I'll be ordering tomorrow).

The question : Is the performance hit with the 4500rpm 200Gb drive  
worth bearing with as opposed to getting 160Gb at a faster rate?


I've got a 160Gb in my old 17 but half my ram died at the same time  
so I was unable to see how much faster it was. (And it was a  
motherboard problem so I just had to limp along with 512Mb ram). I'm  
tired of painfully slow performance in a laptop (unless you're doing  
video work with an external hard drive using FW800).


Of course the 160Gb is almost full :-)

T.I.A.

Brett Carboni
Tsunami
Dual sushi chefs - sushi service up to 39% faster

New Macbook Pros :-)

2006-10-24 Thread Rod Lavington

Hi All!

Macbook Pros were updated tonight.  39% faster than the previous models, and 
now with Core 2 Duo.  Two 15 models and 1 17 model.

Highlights:

2.16Ghz or 2.33Ghz
120Gig or 160Gig HD (with the option for 200Gig!)
6x or 8x Dual Layer Superdrives
2Gb Memory on the high end models

$3199, $3999 and $4399 with shipping in about 6-8 days.

Check out:

http://store.apple.com/133-622/WebObjects/australiastore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=F75B7EFBnclm=MacBookPro

for more info!

Seeya

Rod!

Re: New Macbook Pros :-)

2006-10-24 Thread Daniel Kerr

On 24/10/06 9:07 PM, Rod Lavington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi All!
 
 Macbook Pros were updated tonight.  39% faster than the previous models, and
 now with Core 2 Duo.  Two 15 models and 1 17 model.
 
 Highlights:
 
 2.16Ghz or 2.33Ghz
 120Gig or 160Gig HD (with the option for 200Gig!)
 6x or 8x Dual Layer Superdrives
 2Gb Memory on the high end models
 
 $3199, $3999 and $4399 with shipping in about 6-8 days.
 
 Check out:
 
 http://store.apple.com/133-622/WebObjects/australiastore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=F
 75B7EFBnclm=MacBookPro
 
 for more info!
 
 Seeya
 
 Rod!
 
 

Wondered when that was happening. Thought it wouldn't be too far away.

Now, all I have to do is sell my MacBook Pro.
Anyone interested in a MacBook Pro 2Ghz model with 2GB RAM. Still under
warranty? ;O)

Kind Regards
Daniel
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MacWizardry

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