[wdvltalk] Re: MODERATOR... STOP putting my email address on HOLD!!!
Yes, Linda, please try that. It just did it to me again. I didn't even receive your reply at my address - I had to log into the web-based list to read it. Maybe the bounce trigger is set too low. No other list does this to me - just this one. Cheers, Tom Tom, I'm afraid the 'hold' operation is automatic--I am not doing it. Now, it's= =20 been a while since I asked the techs about this, so I may have it=20 wrong. But from what I remember, mail is sent out from the list server, if= =20 it comes back the bounce is registered. Each post is re-tried four=20 times. I'm not sure how many bounces in total cause the system to put an=20 email address on hold. I do know that re-setting the email address from=20 within the admin panel does not solve the problem. Resetting takes the=20 account off of hold temporarily but the total number of bounces are not=20 reset, so it takes less for the account to end up on hold again. Deleting= =20 your account and re-subscribing might solve the problem. Let me know if=20 you want to try that and I'll delete your email address from the list. Thanks, Linda The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: MODERATOR... STOP putting my email address on HOLD!!!
I agree, Tom, it probably isn't Eudora. I have the same programme but Version 6 and mine also has a gap in the From Address as anyone can see. Have you found any way to change which of your Personalities is the Dominant one? I haven't and it is a pain. I run three companies and have to try and remember to change the From name with the drip-down box if I don't want to use my main address. yesterday I was checking out some sites and wanted to email them - clicking the Contact opened the Eudora Composer screen - but with the dominant address shown and I wanted another one. Would have been far easier to change the dominant for a couple of hours and then change it back! I know a few went out without the change as I'd hit Send before remembering it! Peter MacGregor At 17:39 10/04/2004, you wrote: BJ, I'm using Eudora v4.22 and tried to add the quotes in Tools-Options...-Getting Started-Real Name, but it doesn't look like it accepted it. When I go back into the Options screen, the quotes are gone and Eudora won't let me edit the From: line in an outgoing mail - I can only select among my 'Personalities'. It's worked fine for three or four years now (maybe longer as I can't remember just when I signed up,) and just started doing this in the last three or four months. I think the listserver has somehow changed to be less tolerant than before, but it should, at the very least, retry a 'soft' bounce, if that's what it is getting, before placing a subscription on hold. Thanks, Tom At 01:59 PM 4/10/2004 +0100, BJ wrote: Tom, I had a look at your messages including the full message headers, and wondered if the problem really could be your From address: From: Cyberspace Publishing [EMAIL PROTECTED] Normally you shouldn't have a space in the username unless you surround it with quotes. See if you can change yours to: From: Cyberspace Publishing [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which is how most peoples' addresses are formed) Worth a try anyway. ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Here's a few programs that I use myself! http://aznewyou.com/cyberpub/whatsnew.shtml The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: MODERATOR... STOP putting my email address on HOLD!!!
Can you try Spam Assassin on mine Mark and see what you get please? I'm using Eudora too! Peter MacGregor At 14:01 10/04/2004, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Bj To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 10, 2004 5:59 AM Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: MODERATOR... STOP putting my email address on HOLD!!! I had a look at your messages including the full message headers, and wondered if the problem really could be your From address: From: Cyberspace Publishing x Normally you shouldn't have a space in the username unless you surround it with quotes. See if you can change yours to: From: Cyberspace Publishing (which is how most peoples' addresses are formed) Worth a try anyway. Spam Assassin also flags the From: field as being malformed, think you may be on to something here cheers, Mark The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: MODERATOR... STOP putting my email address on HOLD!!!
Linda - I'm also using Eudora but don't have the problem Tom is having! Wonder why? Peter MacGregor At 22:03 10/04/2004, you wrote: Tom, I'm afraid the 'hold' operation is automatic--I am not doing it. Now, it's been a while since I asked the techs about this, so I may have it wrong. But from what I remember, mail is sent out from the list server, if it comes back the bounce is registered. Each post is re-tried four times. I'm not sure how many bounces in total cause the system to put an email address on hold. I do know that re-setting the email address from within the admin panel does not solve the problem. Resetting takes the account off of hold temporarily but the total number of bounces are not reset, so it takes less for the account to end up on hold again. Deleting your account and re-subscribing might solve the problem. Let me know if you want to try that and I'll delete your email address from the list. Thanks, Linda At 12:39 PM 4/10/2004 -0400, Cyberspace Publishing wrote: BJ, I'm using Eudora v4.22 and tried to add the quotes in Tools-Options...-Getting Started-Real Name, but it doesn't look like it accepted it. When I go back into the Options screen, the quotes are gone and Eudora won't let me edit the From: line in an outgoing mail - I can only select among my 'Personalities'. It's worked fine for three or four years now (maybe longer as I can't remember just when I signed up,) and just started doing this in the last three or four months. I think the listserver has somehow changed to be less tolerant than before, but it should, at the very least, retry a 'soft' bounce, if that's what it is getting, before placing a subscription on hold. Thanks, Tom At 01:59 PM 4/10/2004 +0100, BJ wrote: Tom, I had a look at your messages including the full message headers, and wondered if the problem really could be your From address: From: Cyberspace Publishing [EMAIL PROTECTED] Normally you shouldn't have a space in the username unless you surround it with quotes. See if you can change yours to: From: Cyberspace Publishing [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which is how most peoples' addresses are formed) Worth a try anyway. ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Here's a few programs that I use myself! http://aznewyou.com/cyberpub/whatsnew.shtml The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Editor DatabaseJournal http://databasejournal.com/ DBASupport http://dbasupport.com/ SQLCourse http://sqlcourse.com/ SQLCourse2 http://sqlcourse2.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Eudora Personalities (was: Re: MODERATOR....)
At 04:03 PM 4/11/2004 +0100, Peter MacGregor wrote: Have you found any way to change which of your Personalities is the Dominant one? I haven't and it is a pain. I run three companies and have to try and remember to change the From name with the drip-down box if I don't want to use my main address. yesterday I was checking out some sites and wanted to email them - clicking the Contact opened the Eudora Composer screen - but with the dominant address shown and I wanted another one. Would have been far easier to change the dominant for a couple of hours and then change it back! I know a few went out without the change as I'd hit Send before remembering it! Peter MacGregor Sorry, Pete, but Eudora 4.22 places the dominate email address in the top [Settings] section of the eudora.ini file, whereas each 'personality' is first listed in the .ini file under [Personallities] as 'Persona#=Persona-YourAssignedName' and then, under a section labeled as [Persona-YourAssignedName], all the variables for the particular 'persona' are listed. I have noticed, however, that when you reply to an email sent to a specific 'persona', Eudora will default to placing the 'persona' address in the From: field. You only have to remember to change it when you are creating a 'new' message. Cheers, Tom /^^^\_/^^^\_/^^^\_/^^^\_/^^^\_/^^^\_/^^^\_/^^^\ Protect your web pages with fr*ee encryption!! Download now!! No Purchase Necessary! http://aznewyou.com/cyberpub/cpwebprotect.shtml The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: MODERATOR... STOP putting my email address on HOLD!!!
- Original Message - From: Peter MacGregor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 11, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: MODERATOR... STOP putting my email address on HOLD!!! Can you try Spam Assassin on mine Mark and see what you get please? I'm using Eudora too! I get a couple hits with it: MIME_QP_DEFICIENT and PLING_PLING Pling pling is having exclamation marks in your subject line iirc, hang on... and the other is: Deficient quoted-printable encoding in body and don't know what that is off the top of my head without doing a google to jog my memory. That gets you a total of hits = 3.1 - required = 5.9 for me to mark as spam. cheers, Mark The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: MODERATOR... STOP putting my email address on HOLD!!!
Ok, let's give this a try. Tom, I've deleted you and created a new account for you. Let me know if you are getting the list posts. If your account goes on hold again, please let me know off list. I don't always read the posts to the list right away and might miss it if you were to post it to the list. Also, don't clear your account--if you do then I can't see the errors in the admin panel. The errors don't always tell me anything, but sometimes they do. I've also changed the bounce trigger to a higher level. Thanks, Linda At 05:25 AM 4/11/2004 -0700, you wrote: Yes, Linda, please try that. It just did it to me again. I didn't even receive your reply at my address - I had to log into the web-based list to read it. Maybe the bounce trigger is set too low. No other list does this to me - just this one. Cheers, Tom Tom, I'm afraid the 'hold' operation is automatic--I am not doing it. Now, it's= =20 been a while since I asked the techs about this, so I may have it=20 wrong. But from what I remember, mail is sent out from the list server, if= =20 it comes back the bounce is registered. Each post is re-tried four=20 times. I'm not sure how many bounces in total cause the system to put an=20 email address on hold. I do know that re-setting the email address from=20 within the admin panel does not solve the problem. Resetting takes the=20 account off of hold temporarily but the total number of bounces are not=20 reset, so it takes less for the account to end up on hold again. Deleting= =20 your account and re-subscribing might solve the problem. Let me know if=20 you want to try that and I'll delete your email address from the list. Thanks, Linda The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Editor DatabaseJournal http://databasejournal.com/ DBASupport http://dbasupport.com/ SQLCourse http://sqlcourse.com/ SQLCourse2 http://sqlcourse2.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
Sheila-- If anyone knows of good PHP book, for beginners, please speak up. I get asked this question all the time. The O'Reilly book might be OK but it's [snip] The blokes at Sitepoint.com have a two-book set titled THE PHP ANTHOLOGY. Volume 1 is Foundations. Volume 2 is Applications. Kinda pricey but good info. The Visual Quickstart series has a couple of good ones on PHP but they're suffering from being based on older data like the O'Reilly book. That, and some of the forums on Internet.com, w3schools, and a few other places are moving me down the PHP road. Best regards, Don Kinney Earth Solutions, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.earthsolutions.net The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
I realise that I am not going to convince those on the list who really do know their MySQL/PHP from their 'embonpoint' to get to gether for a book (apart from rudy). But all the, very useful, pieces of information, like Don's, really underlines my point. 'Kinda pricey' for example; and the suggestions are of many different offerings - all of which are very good, I am sure. But O'Reilly is said to be out of adate, and at the speed of php development, it very difficult to keep hard copy up to date. That is why I suggested something for web code that is very web oriented. That is a book, and a site for updating. Please tell me that, even thought I can't interest you, you think it an idea that could have mileage. Joseph Sheila-- If anyone knows of good PHP book, for beginners, please speak up. I get asked this question all the time. The O'Reilly book might be OK but it's [snip] The blokes at Sitepoint.com have a two-book set titled THE PHP ANTHOLOGY. Volume 1 is Foundations. Volume 2 is Applications. Kinda pricey but good info. The Visual Quickstart series has a couple of good ones on PHP but they're suffering from being based on older data like the O'Reilly book. That, and some of the forums on Internet.com, w3schools, and a few other places are moving me down the PHP road. Best regards, Don Kinney Earth Solutions, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.earthsolutions.net . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
I realise that I am not going to convince those on the list who really do know their MySQL/PHP from their 'embonpoint' to get to gether for a book (apart from rudy). i've read this sentence several times and i just do not get it you are going to convince nobody except me? you are going to convince them to write a book without me? they know their stuff but i don't? i'm not sure what i'm supposed to feel about this where are sheila and cheryl this weekend, i wanna know i wanted them to review the sql course i am developing... rudy The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
rudy wrote: where are sheila and cheryl this weekend, i wanna know i wanted them to review the sql course i am developing... I'm here. It's Day Three of a four day weekend for my kids from school. I want to review your sql course but have been waiting for a quiet moment. Difficult with three boys in the house (and occasionally some of their friends). It's been raining so I can't just toss them all outside. Also, being in the US my taxes are due on April 15th. I need quiet time if I am to avoid mistakes. I'm afraid you have to wait in line behind Uncle Sam. Sheila The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
Don Kinney wrote: Sheila-- If anyone knows of good PHP book, for beginners, please speak up. I get asked this question all the time. The O'Reilly book might be OK but it's [snip] The blokes at Sitepoint.com have a two-book set titled THE PHP ANTHOLOGY. Volume 1 is Foundations. Volume 2 is Applications. Kinda pricey but good info. The Visual Quickstart series has a couple of good ones on PHP but they're suffering from being based on older data like the O'Reilly book. That, and some of the forums on Internet.com, w3schools, and a few other places are moving me down the PHP road. When the sitepoint books came out I looked at the sample chapters for what I think was Vol 1. It's very well written. I need to buy them and review them in detail. However, he goes into object oriented programming. Great if you plan to be programmer. I guess that's the problem though. People that aren't really 'programmer types' want to learn how to program with PHP. Programming is not easy. To get good at it takes time, lots of practice, and lots of patience. Sheila The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
Joseph, About my contribution to your 'dream book' I have my course at EclecticAcademy.com As long as I'm teach there I can't publish it elsewhere. I have thought about adding a PHP Tips page to my site. I may do that. Sheila Smile-Poet wrote: I realise that I am not going to convince those on the list who really do know their MySQL/PHP from their 'embonpoint' to get to gether for a book (apart from rudy). But all the, very useful, pieces of information, like Don's, really underlines my point. 'Kinda pricey' for example; and the suggestions are of many different offerings - all of which are very good, I am sure. But O'Reilly is said to be out of adate, and at the speed of php development, it very difficult to keep hard copy up to date. That is why I suggested something for web code that is very web oriented. That is a book, and a site for updating. Please tell me that, even thought I can't interest you, you think it an idea that could have mileage. Joseph The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
I'm here. It's Day Three of a four day weekend for my kids from school. yeah, i know what you mean my ex and i have a co-parenting thing where the kids live with me for two weeks, then with her for two weeks... luckily they are with her this weekend but spring break week is worse than easter weekend ;o) I'm afraid you have to wait in line behind Uncle Sam. thanks for the reminder CRA (canada revenue agency) want me to submit a return for 2002 maybe i should get on it, eh? rudy The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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CRA (canada revenue agency) want me to submit a return for 2002 maybe i should get on it, eh? I know this is off-topic, but you really need some management consulting advice here. You are obviously too busy to perform some unproductive task like completing tax forms. Eventually, the authorities will take action against you and you may finish up in prison. In prison, you will have lots of time on your hands, so you can do tax returns then. Until then, don't bother. QED. Regards, David The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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I feel myself rolling like the easter egg - or some of them that are rolled down hills - you didn't know?... Rudy, my apologies for obscurity, far from intending to suggest any lack of knowledge on your part, I was commenting that you were the only one to express interest in my idea. Sheila, I understand your situation; tips on your site would be of value to many of us. I can only add to David's succint report that when any following that advice have finished their tax returns they might also have time to write a book Ah, well, back to the poetry. Joseph CRA (canada revenue agency) want me to submit a return for 2002 maybe i should get on it, eh? I know this is off-topic, but you really need some management consulting advice here. You are obviously too busy to perform some unproductive task like completing tax forms. Eventually, the authorities will take action against you and you may finish up in prison. In prison, you will have lots of time on your hands, so you can do tax returns then. Until then, don't bother. QED. Regards, David . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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- Original Message - From: Smile-Poet I realise that I am not going to convince those on the list who really do know their MySQL/PHP from their 'embonpoint' to get to gether for a book I think Sheila's got the most important point. What I know is programming. I was taught programming formally in a 2 years' part-time college course (HNC) in 1984-1986 and again at a higher level (HND) 1989-90 using various BASICs, C, Assembler (Intel 6502 and VAX Macro-32), microcode, Pascal and COBOL, have been sent on formal short courses in ICL 2966 COBOL and SCL, IBM Rexx/CMS and the Unix Bourne shell, spent over two years programming COBOL for a living and over the past twenty years have played around and done some programming in Z80 assembler, Fortran, LISP, Pilot, MS Quickbasic, MS-DOS batch language, Smalltalk, VAX DCL, Forth, Logo, Prolog, George 3, ICL Plan and DME, IBM 360 Assembler, Visual BASIC and others, even wrote a CESIL interpreter and got some way into inventing a weird language that had a Come from as well as a Go to... My point being, it's like driving a car. If you can drive, you can drive, and getting into a new car is just a matter of seeing where the switches are on this one. I never had to learn javascript or php, or even Perl really, once I had a language reference to look up. So, maybe you think you need some code examples that do what you want, and enough grasp of what's going on to figure out if they're broke and how to fix them, but *really*, you're learning programming with php as the example. And in fact, you might even do better if there were such a thing as a pure language-independent programming course. Nearest I've seen to that is a programming environment called Inglish (not Inglish the language, which The Hobbit was written in) where you wrote down what you wanted the program to do and the preprocessor wrote a program based on that. Bit like what we call pseudo code So for instance we might design a program like this: Initialise variables Get query string variables 'id' and 'password' Query database for these values If found: Redirect to menu page; Else: Set an error message That could then be written as a Perl CGI script, php, ASP or whatever - first we break down the problem into a series of steps to solve it, then we implement that program logic in our selected language. Experience in this allows you to look at your own or someone else's finished code and see the logical structure that underlies it, which is how you find where errors are and work out how to fix them. If you don't learn programming itself as well as the operators, functions etc that make up the language, you are in the position of a tourist in a foreign country with just a phrase book and a dictionary. You can't ask any questions except the ones in the phrase book, and the dictionary is almost no use if you don't know how to put the words together. To sum up - I can't write a book on php, as I know almost as much as you about the language. But I can use it and understand how it works a lot better, because I'm a programmer. Unfortunately the sort of programming I know how to do is now out of date - as I never learned Ada, Eiffel, C++ or more recently Java, I am almost lost with object-oriented programming with its classes, methods, instances and inheritance. php is going that way, and even, Lord help us, Javascript. So, aha, I can't even write a book on programming :-/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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My point being, it's like driving a car. If you can drive, you can drive, nice post, bj sql is like that too once you know sql, you can use any database like oracle, sybase, access, mysql, postgresql, firebird, sql server, et cetera, et cetera the difference, though, is that there *is* an sql language, a generic, standard language, which you can learn independently of any database system neat, eh? rudy The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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- Original Message - From: Smile-Poet Ah, well, back to the poetry. In my craft or sullen art, Practised in the still night When only the moon rages And lovers lie abed With all their griefs locked in their arms, I labour by singing light; Not for ambition or for bread, Or for the strut and trade of charms, But for the secret wages Of their most secret heart. (Dylan Thomas writing about being a poet, but it's how I feel about being a Web developer too!) Craze, caught laughing in the wind By the lunatic surge of mind through break, Gallops, blonde and danger-filled, To the far side of mad. (Bj, also writing about being a poet, but not about Web programming. Honest.) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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- Original Message - From: rudy sql is like that too once you know sql, you can use any database like oracle, sybase, access, mysql, postgresql, firebird, sql server, et cetera, et cetera Ah, did I mention my HNC and HND courses included formal training in database methodologies, and I've used flat-file, relational and hierarchical DBMSs including dBase I thru V, Clipper, FoxPro, SmartWare, Delta 4, DataEase, IBM DL/1, ICL CAFS, Ingres, Oracle, PowerHouse, Paradox, Access... and even an old one called Filetab that was based on decision tables... so mySQL was no big deal either grin d'you reckon this is cheating? I doubt if anyone starting now will ever have the opportunity to acquire 'real-life' experience like that. So much programming that used to be done, is just not needed any more. It does mean that on several sites I've done, the database is just a text file with rows of csv data, because that was all it needed. In fact, on one site, the data is all in an array declaration at the top of the page :-) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Like Sheila it is on my to do list. I was in Seattle at the Microsoft MVP Summit last week and returned home just in time for Easter weekend. I still haven't caught up with everything. Just returned from my brother's house where we had a family dinner. Leaving again on Tuesday for California to visit my dad and a few clients. Which means my husband/partner get to deal with the tax issue while I'm gone. I will look at it but it may still be another day or two. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer MS-MVP-FrontPage www.wiserways.com mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 713.353.0139 Office -Original Message- From: Sheila Fenelon I'm here. It's Day Three of a four day weekend for my kids from school. I want to review your sql course but have been waiting for a quiet moment. Difficult with three boys in the house (and occasionally some of their friends). It's been raining so I can't just toss them all outside. Also, being in the US my taxes are due on April 15th. I need quiet time if I am to avoid mistakes. I'm afraid you have to wait in line behind Uncle Sam. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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I find this discussion interesting. I do not consider myself a programmer because I do not like to write programs. I can and do write code though given a choice I'd rather use something already written or give that part of a project to someone who likes to write code. I took one programming class back in 1975 using basic. Then didn't touch it again until I started writing HTML back in 93-94. Even then it wasn't programming but formatting using HTML. By 98-99 I wanted to do some database/server side stuff so I took a class called something like Intro to ASP for the Non-Programmer followed by a Beginning ASP class. I have worked with Access both on and off the web and learned enough SQL for my needs. Later I had a client that wanted a calendar just like in Access so I used Visual Basic.NET. Unlike my partner who is a programmer I had very little problems going from Vbscript to the object oriented VB.NET because I did not have preconceptions of how VB was supposed to work. This maybe the source of some of BJ's misgivings about his ability to deal with object oriented programming. Yet, once BJ gets over the frustration about the different code model he'll be productive quickly. I do not write C# or PHP but I can recognized the function and structure so with the type of code reference that BJ mentioned I can get a task done it if primarily relates to editing code or adding a bit of functionality in either of those languages. That's where BJ's statements caught my eye. I do not consider myself a programmer but someone with enough familiarity with programming to function. On this list my abilities when it comes to programming are trivial compared to those like BJ, Rudy and other to numerous to mention. On other lists server code questions get thrown to me as the expert because the majority know even less than I do. Along the way I have picked enough programming that while I do not consider myself a programmer other who I work with do. Knowing enough to recognize and follow someone else's code is all I ever wanted to know and I do not ever wish to write programs whether for the web or use on a desktop/server from scratch. Frankly, it amazes me that I can look at C# and see how it works/breaks when I have never worked with C# and have no desire to do so. In some ways I find it quite depressing because I end up doing more programming than I care to do because I can and not because I want to. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer MS-MVP-FrontPage www.wiserways.com mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 713.353.0139 Office -Original Message- From: rudy My point being, it's like driving a car. If you can drive, you can drive, nice post, bj sql is like that too once you know sql, you can use any database like oracle, sybase, access, mysql, postgresql, firebird, sql server, et cetera, et cetera the difference, though, is that there *is* an sql language, a generic, standard language, which you can learn independently of any database system neat, eh? The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
- Original Message - From: Cheryl D. Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 11, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update snip a long list of computer experience... I do not consider myself a programmer but someone with enough familiarity with programming to function. On this list my abilities when it comes to programming are trivial compared to those like BJ, Rudy and other to numerous to mention. On other lists server code questions get thrown to me as the expert because the majority know even less than I do. Along the way I have picked enough programming that while I do not consider myself a programmer other who I work with do. That's about it in a nutshell right there, depends on your audience eh ;-) You are a programmer in some situations like it or not because programmer is such a general word. cheers, Mark The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
