Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Good Job Stephen! Re your image replacement for the title - exactly which flavour are you using? I don't think I've seen one which uses an empty span. My personal preference is styling the h1 with the background image and relevant sizes and then nesting a span inside that h1. That nested span is then styled with display:none to hide it. The only delay I then experience is the time it takes to download the image (which is always a factor anyway so resolving that is a different issue). The only downside to this approach is a browser configured with CSS on and Images off as the h1 box will be rendered but nothing will show up in it. I thought this might have something to do with what BlueRobot calls the Flash of Unstyled Content but the rest of the CSS loads in fine - could be worth a double-check though: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp Apart from that it's looking good and onwards with XHTML+CSS!!! I sincerely hope there are some of those more CSS-loathing table-based designers out there who's seen this page...THIS is what we are talking about, and the code is so much cleaner than the nested junk that table-based design will churn out. MOU The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
I agree with you, Ross. CSS is so much cleaner and easier. I made the jump from tables to CSS (with the help of TopStyle Pro) and I haven't looked back. Kudos to Stephen for doing it right. Will Professional Graphics Artist Certified Web Designer (BCIP) Stewart and Company -- www.stewartandcompany.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- W: 304.550.2687 Rt. 1 Box 364 Buffalo, WV 25033 -Original Message- From: Ross Clutterbuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Apart from that it's looking good and onwards with XHTML+CSS!!! I sincerely hope there are some of those more CSS-loathing table-based designers out there who's seen this page...THIS is what we are talking about, and the code is so much cleaner than the nested junk that table-based design will churn out. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Using display: none defeats the purpose if accessibility is your concern. That's the Fahrner technique see: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fir/ They see the same thing you report when css is on and images off. You need to position it off page with a negative (or really high) margin. Might check some of the other image replacement techniques listed in http://www.accessify.com/archives/2003_08_03_news-archives.asp#1060161072462 97283 Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Ross Clutterbuck Good Job Stephen! Re your image replacement for the title - exactly which flavour are you using? I don't think I've seen one which uses an empty span. My personal preference is styling the h1 with the background image and relevant sizes and then nesting a span inside that h1. That nested span is then styled with display:none to hide it. The only delay I then experience is the time it takes to download the image (which is always a factor anyway so resolving that is a different issue). The only downside to this approach is a browser configured with CSS on and Images off as the h1 box will be rendered but nothing will show up in it. I thought this might have something to do with what BlueRobot calls the Flash of Unstyled Content but the rest of the CSS loads in fine - could be worth a double-check though: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp Apart from that it's looking good and onwards with XHTML+CSS!!! I sincerely hope there are some of those more CSS-loathing table-based designers out there who's seen this page...THIS is what we are talking about, and the code is so much cleaner than the nested junk that table-based design will churn out. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Cheryl I'm not a big fan of image replacement anyway but since we can do so much with web design/development these days (Microsoft browsers permitting of course) but also have so many different aspects to consider 9 times in 10 I move more towards keeping things accessible and don't bother with any image replacement at all (common page graphics and titles are not usually part of my heading structure so alt text works fine for them - the meat of my copy is what I want visitors and search engines to see). I did however forget about the off-screen positioning of text approach which does everything IR needs to do yet still is available by screen readers/accessibility tools (of course I will never understand why screen readers for web browsers read the rendered version for screen instead of the markup itself - screen is for display on screen surely?) so thanks for reminding me. An upcoming project looks though like I might be needing an awful lot of IR so cheers for the link too. MOU The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Ross Clutterbuck wrote: Good Job Stephen! Thanks Ross! Means a lot coming from the Master of the Universe and all :) Re your image replacement for the title - exactly which flavour are you using? I don't think I've seen one which uses an empty span. My personal preference is styling the h1 with the background image and relevant sizes and then nesting a span inside that h1. That nested span is then styled with display:none to hide it. The only delay I then experience is the time it takes to download the image (which is always a factor anyway so resolving that is a different issue). Apparently display:none doesn't get read by the bulk of aural browsers on the market now, so this was a method someone came up with to get around that issue and keep things accessible. The basis of the idea is to leave the text in the header (set to position:relative and set to the height and width of the image), add the extra span(set to display:block, the height and width of the image and position:absolute; left:0; top:0;) and give this empty span the background-image... The method is detailed at: http://wellstyled.com/css-replace-text-by-image.html The only downside to this approach is a browser configured with CSS on and Images off as the h1 box will be rendered but nothing will show up in it. Yeah, this technique gets around that. I thought this might have something to do with what BlueRobot calls the Flash of Unstyled Content but the rest of the CSS loads in fine - could be worth a double-check though: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp It's close, but that's not it... Because the text isn't being hidden in any way, you simply see it until the image loads. Definite drawback to this technique. I don't consider it too much of a hit to take when you think about the fact that it gets around the CSS on / Images off and screen reader difficulties though. Always a trade-off, eh? :D Apart from that it's looking good and onwards with XHTML+CSS!!! I sincerely hope there are some of those more CSS-loathing table-based designers out there who's seen this page...THIS is what we are talking about, and the code is so much cleaner than the nested junk that table-based design will churn out. w00t! w00t! Thanks again MOU :) - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
FWIW, I don't use the image replacement techniques either since plain text alt tags especially when combined with structural mark-up so the alt gets the proper heading mark-up without images is best in most circumstances. Nice to have options though if needed due to special circumstances. As far as why screen readers read the displayed text I think it is because most of them are built to use the OS tools to the maximum extent possible to reduce the need for writing expensive code. That's why most screen readers are available only for Windows and use IE as the base. FWIW, there is a screen reader emulator for Firefox under development. See: http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2004/11/22/8-fangs-release-05 Sounds like it might come in useful for that upcoming project. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Ross Clutterbuck I'm not a big fan of image replacement anyway but since we can do so much with web design/development these days (Microsoft browsers permitting of course) but also have so many different aspects to consider 9 times in 10 I move more towards keeping things accessible and don't bother with any image replacement at all (common page graphics and titles are not usually part of my heading structure so alt text works fine for them - the meat of my copy is what I want visitors and search engines to see). I did however forget about the off-screen positioning of text approach which does everything IR needs to do yet still is available by screen readers/accessibility tools (of course I will never understand why screen readers for web browsers read the rendered version for screen instead of the markup itself - screen is for display on screen surely?) so thanks for reminding me. An upcoming project looks though like I might be needing an awful lot of IR so cheers for the link too. MOU . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com/ And let me know if they encounter any display quirks. This is a template, one page only and it's due for delivery today, so feedback is much appreciated. I'm especially interested to hear from the mac users on the list. When responding, please include: - Operating System - Browser - screen resolution - connection speed - details of any issue spotted Thanks a heap! - Stephen Looks good and all, validates as transitional, but line 33 is: div id=cartWrapper align=center align=center? drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Trusz, Andrew wrote: Looks good and all, validates as transitional, but line 33 is: div id=cartWrapper align=center align=center? Oh lord. No telling, really. I guess old habits die hard. I've fixed that Say Drew, you're on *nix right? Is that what you tested on? Using Konqueror? Something else? Display's okay? /me hopes so. Thanks, Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Trusz, Andrew wrote: Looks good and all, validates as transitional, but line 33 is: div id=cartWrapper align=center align=center? Oh lord. No telling, really. I guess old habits die hard. I've fixed that Say Drew, you're on *nix right? Is that what you tested on? Using Konqueror? Something else? Display's okay? /me hopes so. Thanks, Stephen = I am on mandrake at home, at work it's an agency custom image of xp. That may sound innocent but it should make you shudder to the roots of your soul. If you can wait about 2 hours I'll let you know how it looks on Konqueror. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Trusz, Andrew wrote: I am on mandrake at home, at work it's an agency custom image of xp. That may sound innocent but it should make you shudder to the roots of your soul. If you can wait about 2 hours I'll let you know how it looks on Konqueror. Sure! It's not really a biggie, but I am interested. The likelihood is that no big fixes will be done at this point even if there are problems, but I'd still like to know about them... And adjust my coding practices accordingly for the future. LOL @ agency custom image of xp... My last work place had custom versions of IE 5.5 that were installed as part of the image. Stupid customized animated logo and all. I can only imagine what some enterprising young men and women with way too much time invested in VBA could do to a whole OS :P Thanks Again, Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Should look about the same as the report I gave you on Safari. It is based on Konqueror. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Trusz, Andrew wrote: Looks good and all, validates as transitional, but line 33 is: div id=cartWrapper align=center align=center? Oh lord. No telling, really. I guess old habits die hard. I've fixed that Say Drew, you're on *nix right? Is that what you tested on? Using Konqueror? Something else? Display's okay? /me hopes so. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Trusz, Andrew wrote: LOL @ agency custom image of xp... My last work place had custom versions of IE 5.5 that were installed as part of the image. Stupid customized animated logo and all. I can only imagine what some enterprising young men and women with way too much time invested in VBA could do to a whole OS :P No you can't imagine that! Nobody is that depraved. This is a sustained, decades long, group effort rooted in ever compounding bad decisions. Think custom dlls, active-x required, no validation, and a bizarre locked down version of IE6 (add the patch, remove the patch, reinstall the patch, patch the patch). If it were internet and not intranet we'd be covered in alligators. Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? I'm not subscribed from home. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Thanks, Linda The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Trusz, Andrew wrote: No you can't imagine that! Nobody is that depraved. This is a sustained, decades long, group effort rooted in ever compounding bad decisions. Oh, sure I can! I've developed along side too many MicroSoftHeads to not be able to imagine it. Glad you're not having to suffer that particular fate though :P Think custom dlls, active-x required, no validation, and a bizarre locked down version of IE6 (add the patch, remove the patch, reinstall the patch, patch the patch). If it were internet and not intranet we'd be covered in alligators. Been down that road before too... Scary place to browse :) That was at my last employers in fact. Before I left though, I'd whipped things into enough shape that I could get on the intranet with Mozilla if I faked the UA. Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? I'm not subscribed from home. Fine by me. Maybe Linda will pick this up though and let us all know where the new web based interface is... OH!!! And while I'm at it, does the new list software have an archive? We haven't had a roundup since 2002... - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Linda Cole wrote: Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Oooh! I like the new interface :) And you can get an RSS feed too?? Well, it's not well formed, but I can still pull it up in FeedDemon :) Snifty! Any way we could we get a link put on WDVL to this? Thanks, Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Oh good you were listening! -Original Message- From: Linda Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Thanks, Linda * The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM * To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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At 02:15 PM 12/8/2004 -0500, you wrote: Oh good you were listening! heh heh. Only with half an ear. It's lucky I saw it. If you guys need anything at all (pertaining to the list g), please don't hesitate to contact me directly. Thanks, Linda -Original Message- From: Linda Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Thanks, Linda * The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM * To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Editor DatabaseJournal http://databasejournal.com/ DBASupport http://dbasupport.com/ SQLCourse http://sqlcourse.com/ SQLCourse2 http://sqlcourse2.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Oooh! I like the new interface :) And you can get an RSS feed too?? Well, it's not well formed, but I can still pull it up in FeedDemon :) Snifty! Any way we could we get a link put on WDVL to this? I believe it's in the works to have it added to the WDVL site, but I don't work on that site myself any more so can't say at what stage the addition might be. In the meantime, there's a link to the web interface at the bottom of each post, it just doesn't say 'web interface.' (I'll add that.) To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Thanks, Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Editor DatabaseJournal http://databasejournal.com/ DBASupport http://dbasupport.com/ SQLCourse http://sqlcourse.com/ SQLCourse2 http://sqlcourse2.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Well, one significant problem in Konquerer 3.1.4. The navigation list loads but then becomes obscured. The links change from words to a symbol which looks like stacked equilaeral triangles turned on edge. Other than that, the page looks fine. And you're right, Stephen, the web interface is nice. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Trusz, Andrew wrote: Well, one significant problem in Konquerer 3.1.4. The navigation list loads but then becomes obscured. The links change from words to a symbol which looks like stacked equilaeral triangles turned on edge. Other than that, the page looks fine. And you're right, Stephen, the web interface is nice. Thanks Drew! Any chance I might get a screen grab? I would be indebted to you :) - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Win XP SP2 SlimBrowser 4.02.004 (Tabbed interface, IE engine) 1024 x 768 300+ KB/sec Page loaded quickly, but with this connection speed that's probably not a significant metric. I don't have any modem-connected systems anymore, so I can't help there. There was a delay while the logo and Legal Forms graphic in the left of the banner loaded. This would probably be much more significant on a slower connection, so you might want to check that. I like the CSS dropdown menu, but like many such, it got a little out of sync (meaning the flyout arrows and the down arrow in the main entries) as one moved about the menu. I wouldn't think it would be anything that would affect usability, and it might not even be noticeable to the average user, but you said ... any display quirks. ;-) Other than that, everything looks good. The layout flows as expected with browser resizing, color scheme is good, etc. Nice site. Cheers, Scott - Original Message - From: Stephen Caudill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com/ And let me know if they encounter any display quirks. This is a template, one page only and it's due for delivery today, so feedback is much appreciated. I'm especially interested to hear from the mac users on the list. When responding, please include: - Operating System - Browser - screen resolution - connection speed - details of any issue spotted Thanks a heap! - Stephen (Apologies in advance to R937 for the dropdown menus... they're based on suckerfish though, so if you're not using IE, they should still work.) . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Stephen, Congratulations on a solid design. Everything worked like it was supposed to and it looks great. Let's just hope that the client likes it! :) - XP - IE6 - 1024x768 - 56k Will Professional Graphics Artist Certified Web Designer (BCIP) Stewart and Company -- www.stewartandcompany.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- W: 304.550.2687 Rt. 1 Box 364 Buffalo, WV 25033 -Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com/ And let me know if they encounter any display quirks. This is a template, one page only and it's due for delivery today, so feedback is much appreciated. I'm especially interested to hear from the mac users on the list. When responding, please include: - Operating System - Browser - screen resolution - connection speed - details of any issue spotted Thanks a heap! - Stephen (Apologies in advance to R937 for the dropdown menus... they're based on suckerfish though, so if you're not using IE, they should still work.) . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Win XP SP2 SlimBrowser 4.02.004 (Tabbed interface, IE engine) hnnh. You just never know :) 1024 x 768 300+ KB/sec Page loaded quickly, but with this connection speed that's probably not a significant metric. I don't have any modem-connected systems anymore, so I can't help there. There was a delay while the logo and Legal Forms graphic in the left of the banner loaded. This would probably be much more significant on a slower connection, so you might want to check that. Bugger. Had to empty my cache to see it, but I do get what you're saying... The only thing that makes it different than any other site with a largish header graphic, IMO, is that there's image replacement going on and this particular flavor of image replacement leaves the text visible, so you can see it underneath until the graphic does load... bugger, bugger. I'm all ears if anyone knows a way to deal with it. I like the CSS dropdown menu, but like many such, it got a little out of sync (meaning the flyout arrows and the down arrow in the main entries) as one moved about the menu. I wouldn't think it would be anything that would affect usability, and it might not even be noticeable to the average user, but you said ... any display quirks. ;-) :D true enough... not terribly clear on what you mean by 'out of sync' though. Other than that, everything looks good. The layout flows as expected with browser resizing, color scheme is good, etc. Nice site. Thanks, Scott :) Your help is much appreciated. - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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William Stewart wrote: Stephen, Congratulations on a solid design. Everything worked like it was supposed to and it looks great. Let's just hope that the client likes it! :) Thanks Will :) I can't take all the credit though. I'm not the graphic maven behind it, just the code jockey. I've currently got the good fortune of working with an incredible designer named Mike Houghton (http://www.ebenezerstone.org/) on some projects. Also much to my benefit, the client has signed off on the design and code work, but being the perfectionist I am, I'm doing last minute cross-browser bug testing and commenting everything to hell and back. Thanks Again, Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
No mac-users out there? Gotta be one... just a cursory glance would be appreciated. tia, Stephen Stephen Caudill wrote: Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com/ And let me know if they encounter any display quirks. This is a template, one page only and it's due for delivery today, so feedback is much appreciated. I'm especially interested to hear from the mac users on the list. When responding, please include: - Operating System - Browser - screen resolution - connection speed - details of any issue spotted Thanks a heap! - Stephen (Apologies in advance to R937 for the dropdown menus... they're based on suckerfish though, so if you're not using IE, they should still work.) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Stephen, Verrry nice =) I really like it and those drop downs look great! Love the pen/paper/ink on the right. Viewing Firefox on XP, 800x600 and 1024x768. Love the effect when it opens up to 1024x768, super! Deb www.puterbug.com At 11:07 AM 12/7/2004, you wrote: Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com/ And let me know if they encounter any display quirks. This is a template, one page only and it's due for delivery today, so feedback is much appreciated. I'm especially interested to hear from the mac users on the list. When responding, please include: - Operating System - Browser - screen resolution - connection speed - details of any issue spotted The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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PBC Web Design wrote: Stephen, Verrry nice =) I really like it and those drop downs look great! Love the pen/paper/ink on the right. Viewing Firefox on XP, 800x600 and 1024x768. Love the effect when it opens up to 1024x768, super! Thanks Deb! Again, I must hat-tip the designer. He's pixel-riffic :) - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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to satart is the Special Areas page, :-) http://lf.mechavox.com/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Gerrie Warner wrote: to satart is the Special Areas page, Thanks Gerrie! Good catch :) - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Looks nice, works well and I didn't notice the lag in Firefox mentioned earlier. I did see more of a lag in IE both in some of the images loading and on the first rollover. Which brings up another point, if I were just using IE I wouldn't stay on the site long because on my tablet pc the text is too small to read comfortably and won't resize in IE. I tried. 11px text is fine on an 800x600 screen but not on a 1400x1050 where there are 140 pixels per physical inch. Because you specifically asked for Mac checks I walked over to my Mac and pulled it up in Safari. Download appeared even slower than on IE 6. Everything look about the same with the exception that the first dropdown entry Overview is not showing. Instead the top of the curve above the search box shows through and makes the line impossible to read. You better hope nobody using IE 5.2 for the Mac want to visit the site though. If I knew how to take a screen shot on the Mac I'd post a picture but it is a mess. The menu bar is at the top of the page. No dropdowns. The legal forms logo doesn't show up at all and the other two boxes on the top for ads and shopping cart have the text at the top of the boxes not as they appear on the other browsers. On my Mac the screen resolution is 1024x768 and the text size is fine on both browsers. I'm on 5mps broadband for all the computers/browsers tested with. Windows is tablet PC aka Windows XP - SP 2, Firefox 1.0, IE 6, screen resolution 1050x1400 (I'm viewing in slate mode). Mac is OS X 10.3 with Safari (whatever the latest version is since it does push updates) and IE 5.2. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com/ And let me know if they encounter any display quirks. This is a template, one page only and it's due for delivery today, so feedback is much appreciated. I'm especially interested to hear from the mac users on the list. When responding, please include: - Operating System - Browser - screen resolution - connection speed - details of any issue spotted Thanks a heap! The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Cheryl D Wise wrote: Looks nice, works well and I didn't notice the lag in Firefox mentioned earlier. I did see more of a lag in IE both in some of the images loading and on the first rollover. Which brings up another point, if I were just using IE I wouldn't stay on the site long because on my tablet pc the text is too small to read comfortably and won't resize in IE. I tried. 11px text is fine on an 800x600 screen but not on a 1400x1050 where there are 140 pixels per physical inch. Yeah. I'm working for the designer. The designer says: fixed-width fonts!. I says: yawsah, massa. Nothing doing on that one :( I really did try to make the site accessible with exception to the fixed-width fonts though... Please don't tell SlimJimBuk on me :) Because you specifically asked for Mac checks I walked over to my Mac and pulled it up in Safari. Download appeared even slower than on IE 6. Everything look about the same with the exception that the first dropdown entry Overview is not showing. Instead the top of the curve above the search box shows through and makes the line impossible to read. You better hope nobody using IE 5.2 for the Mac want to visit the site though. If I knew how to take a screen shot on the Mac I'd post a picture but it is a mess. The menu bar is at the top of the page. No dropdowns. The legal forms logo doesn't show up at all and the other two boxes on the top for ads and shopping cart have the text at the top of the boxes not as they appear on the other browsers. On my Mac the screen resolution is 1024x768 and the text size is fine on both browsers. Well crap on a stick. I don't mind putting more time into it and trying to fix the problems, but I've got no way to test and browsercam is SO SLOOO... I've really got to do something about not having a Mac to test on. I'm on 5mps broadband for all the computers/browsers tested with. Windows is tablet PC aka Windows XP - SP 2, Firefox 1.0, IE 6, screen resolution 1050x1400 (I'm viewing in slate mode). Mac is OS X 10.3 with Safari (whatever the latest version is since it does push updates) and IE 5.2. Thank you *very* much Cheryl! I'll alert my client and see what's doin'... I'm thinking this might be a case of serving IE 5.2 mac an unstyled page :( Thanks Again, Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Re the fixed font size argument with your designer, take a screenshot, reduce it to 55% of the size (assuming you have an 800x600 monitor) then resave it and send it to the designer and say it is a screenshot as seen by someone on a high resolution medium to high end system. If you need to you can refer them to me as being the person who complained. I do like the design and it doesn't have to fall apart using relative units of measurements. I didn't check but I assume you used one of the suckerfish variants for the menu. I use one on my site in ems. Besides it looks a bit lonely sitting in the middle of my browser even in slate mode where my max width is 1050. I did appreciate that you used 729 for the width which means most tablet pc users would still be able to view it in slate mode without a horizontal scrollbar. So that's to the plus side. Re the one glitch in Safari on the first dropdown, I seem to recall something a month or two ago on the css-d list about Safari and suckerfish dropdowns. Might want to poke around in their archives or wiki. http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Cheryl D Wise wrote: Looks nice, works well and I didn't notice the lag in Firefox mentioned earlier. I did see more of a lag in IE both in some of the images loading and on the first rollover. Which brings up another point, if I were just using IE I wouldn't stay on the site long because on my tablet pc the text is too small to read comfortably and won't resize in IE. I tried. 11px text is fine on an 800x600 screen but not on a 1400x1050 where there are 140 pixels per physical inch. Yeah. I'm working for the designer. The designer says: fixed-width fonts!. I says: yawsah, massa. Nothing doing on that one :( I really did try to make the site accessible with exception to the fixed-width fonts though... Please don't tell SlimJimBuk on me :) Because you specifically asked for Mac checks I walked over to my Mac and pulled it up in Safari. Download appeared even slower than on IE 6. Everything look about the same with the exception that the first dropdown entry Overview is not showing. Instead the top of the curve above the search box shows through and makes the line impossible to read. You better hope nobody using IE 5.2 for the Mac want to visit the site though. If I knew how to take a screen shot on the Mac I'd post a picture but it is a mess. The menu bar is at the top of the page. No dropdowns. The legal forms logo doesn't show up at all and the other two boxes on the top for ads and shopping cart have the text at the top of the boxes not as they appear on the other browsers. On my Mac the screen resolution is 1024x768 and the text size is fine on both browsers. Well crap on a stick. I don't mind putting more time into it and trying to fix the problems, but I've got no way to test and browsercam is SO SLOOO... I've really got to do something about not having a Mac to test on. I'm on 5mps broadband for all the computers/browsers tested with. Windows is tablet PC aka Windows XP - SP 2, Firefox 1.0, IE 6, screen resolution 1050x1400 (I'm viewing in slate mode). Mac is OS X 10.3 with Safari (whatever the latest version is since it does push updates) and IE 5.2. Thank you *very* much Cheryl! I'll alert my client and see what's doin'... I'm thinking this might be a case of serving IE 5.2 mac an unstyled page :( The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Stephen, I can test on a mac on netscape 7 in the morning if you have the time for that? John. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com
Thanks John, but it flapped it's little wings off to the client around an hour ago :) They're fine with serving IE5.2 no style sheet (along with NS 4.x) and when they checked on their mac in Safari 1.1, they didn't see anything out of place :) All's well that ends well... Thanks, Stephen On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:31:29 -, John Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen, I can test on a mac on netscape 7 in the morning if you have the time for that? John. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings or add a password: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
