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Finally it's going to be a 2n Round logo contest as said at this thread? Just curious. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.comwrote: +1 to Branko again. ( mailist should have a comment voting system :D ) On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.comwrote: Please don't even try to imagine a graphic designer that would turn abstract ideas like Stability and Ease of use into a useful graphic. That's impossible. In reality, it's the reverse. You have a memorable image that you can associate with the qualities you discover in a product. And only then does the image 'obtain' those qualities. Does a 3-pointed star represents German high-precision engineering, and luxury? I doubt that. Yet, Benz is using that shape. And people have come to associate those qualities with exactly the kind of 3-pointed star Benz uses, and no other. You can put just any kind of 3-pointed star on your car and expect it to look well-made and comfortable. It only works if it's the Mercedes-Benz 3-pointed star. When Arch Linux community had it's logo design contest, we run into this very problem: discussion about the qualities that a logo should represent. And, of course, you can't find those qualities in the logo that's currently being used unless you've associated them with the image yourself. But the discussion dragged on for days, and the whole community was divided in a flame war. There were even some 'professionals' who claimed a logo really can speak 1000 words. That's so far from truth. You'd really have to draw a painting of a logo to pull that off. So, what are the notable exceptions to the above? Concrete imagery. In other words, mascots. And only those mascots that have some root in the culture. Lions, Tigers, Crane, Frogs, etc. Those animals have traditionally lots of characteristics associated with them. So using such images definitely can tell a story. What about that ship? Well, it's a 50-50 bet. To some it may speak, to others it may not. And here's a good test of this. How many of you had the following ideas when seeing that ship: * Ability to carry a huge amount of load: scalability * A graceful voyage across a vast ocean: stability * Took a lot of manpower to build: great community How many of you got those ideas upon seeing it? I suspect most had other thoughts. I seriously doubt there is a unified and universal graphical language that you can use reliably to relay abstract messages. IOW: Graphic design still hasn't got it's HTTP. ;) So, before this turns into a pointless discussions, let's just stop wasting time on abstract ideas. Stability, Speed, Scalability, et al. those are for the product itself to achieve, not the logo. Logo can be colorful, sharp, cute, dull, crap... Let's focus on what the logo CAN be, please. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent points. On Oct 26, 12:04 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: Also: 3. Easy (to learn and use) 4. Open/welcoming/friendly/helpful (this refers to the community) 5. Active development (i.e., constantly being enhanced and improved) As for the logo, I'm sure opinions will differ on all-text vs. image logos (and will probably depend a lot on the particular design), but I'm not sure a highly literal physical object image (e.g., boat, train, animal, etc.) will work that well for web2py. Those kinds of images certainly make sense when they represent something directly in the brand name (e.g., Ruby on Rails has a ruby with rails; Turbogears has a gear; Flask has a flask), but can be confusing otherwise. That's not to say we shouldn't have an image, but if we do, something more abstract may work better (e.g., like the old logo). Anthony On Oct 26, 11:27 am, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: I really like the idea of a bold, simple image to represent the framework. I'm just not convinced a ship is the right image. Maybe it would be more helpful to the few good logo designers on this list (of which Branko is certainly one), for us to propose different images. I'll list what I feel (personally) are the strengths of the framework that an image would ideally represent: 1a. Speed (of development) 1b. Security 2. Reliability/Stability (ie, promise of backwards compatibility...the one thing that *truly* distinguishes web2py from other frameworks; most others don't even try) Some quick image ideas off the top of my head (that may or may not be practical as logos): - 'bullet' train - sailfish - catamaran sailboat (a bit more modern-looking/faster than Branko's original ship design; though I'd imagine less logo-friendly) - hummingbird - chain (close-up of two or three individual links) - hawk - lion - gazelle Please note that I've left off spiders and snakes. I think they
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We can start a votation to decide if we need a new logo votation. LOL Enviado via iPhone Em 31/10/2010, às 14:13, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.com escreveu: Finally it's going to be a 2n Round logo contest as said at this thread? Just curious. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to Branko again. ( mailist should have a comment voting system :D ) On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't even try to imagine a graphic designer that would turn abstract ideas like Stability and Ease of use into a useful graphic. That's impossible. In reality, it's the reverse. You have a memorable image that you can associate with the qualities you discover in a product. And only then does the image 'obtain' those qualities. Does a 3-pointed star represents German high-precision engineering, and luxury? I doubt that. Yet, Benz is using that shape. And people have come to associate those qualities with exactly the kind of 3-pointed star Benz uses, and no other. You can put just any kind of 3-pointed star on your car and expect it to look well-made and comfortable. It only works if it's the Mercedes-Benz 3-pointed star. When Arch Linux community had it's logo design contest, we run into this very problem: discussion about the qualities that a logo should represent. And, of course, you can't find those qualities in the logo that's currently being used unless you've associated them with the image yourself. But the discussion dragged on for days, and the whole community was divided in a flame war. There were even some 'professionals' who claimed a logo really can speak 1000 words. That's so far from truth. You'd really have to draw a painting of a logo to pull that off. So, what are the notable exceptions to the above? Concrete imagery. In other words, mascots. And only those mascots that have some root in the culture. Lions, Tigers, Crane, Frogs, etc. Those animals have traditionally lots of characteristics associated with them. So using such images definitely can tell a story. What about that ship? Well, it's a 50-50 bet. To some it may speak, to others it may not. And here's a good test of this. How many of you had the following ideas when seeing that ship: * Ability to carry a huge amount of load: scalability * A graceful voyage across a vast ocean: stability * Took a lot of manpower to build: great community How many of you got those ideas upon seeing it? I suspect most had other thoughts. I seriously doubt there is a unified and universal graphical language that you can use reliably to relay abstract messages. IOW: Graphic design still hasn't got it's HTTP. ;) So, before this turns into a pointless discussions, let's just stop wasting time on abstract ideas. Stability, Speed, Scalability, et al. those are for the product itself to achieve, not the logo. Logo can be colorful, sharp, cute, dull, crap... Let's focus on what the logo CAN be, please. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent points. On Oct 26, 12:04 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: Also: 3. Easy (to learn and use) 4. Open/welcoming/friendly/helpful (this refers to the community) 5. Active development (i.e., constantly being enhanced and improved) As for the logo, I'm sure opinions will differ on all-text vs. image logos (and will probably depend a lot on the particular design), but I'm not sure a highly literal physical object image (e.g., boat, train, animal, etc.) will work that well for web2py. Those kinds of images certainly make sense when they represent something directly in the brand name (e.g., Ruby on Rails has a ruby with rails; Turbogears has a gear; Flask has a flask), but can be confusing otherwise. That's not to say we shouldn't have an image, but if we do, something more abstract may work better (e.g., like the old logo). Anthony On Oct 26, 11:27 am, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: I really like the idea of a bold, simple image to represent the framework. I'm just not convinced a ship is the right image. Maybe it would be more helpful to the few good logo designers on this list (of which Branko is certainly one), for us to propose different images. I'll list what I feel (personally) are the strengths of the framework that an image would ideally represent: 1a. Speed (of development) 1b. Security 2. Reliability/Stability (ie, promise of backwards compatibility...the one thing that *truly* distinguishes web2py from other frameworks; most others don't even try) Some quick image ideas off the top of my head (that may or may not be practical as logos): - 'bullet' train - sailfish - catamaran sailboat (a bit more modern-looking/faster than Branko's original ship design; though I'd imagine less logo-friendly)
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*A ship on the beach is a lighthouse to the sea.* 2010/10/26 Jason Brower encomp...@gmail.com I like the white one! Very nice! Nothing wrong with the ship. Does it mean we are a flasg ship product with new ideas?! [image: :D] On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 00:46 +0200, Branko Vukelic wrote: It says no more uploads, so I'll attach the first proposal here. In the following days, I will probably do more. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: Branko, I dont know if people are thinking about a Second round on logo votation http://www.blouweb.com/logovote/default/index?order=id , but even without tha votation, I think it is a good idea for you to propose a new logo. - Logo should have no snakes - Logo should not be childish/fun - Better more letters than images - Should blend with the website color scheme - Should be good on every background or printing If you propose a nice logo, I think it can be considered, even if not for mainsite, but for ther related projects or welcome app. Oh sure. I will do that. Thanks. ;) -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group -- http://rochacbruno.com.br face-smile-big.png
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: A ship on the beach is a lighthouse to the sea. I'm feeling stupid... I don't understand that sentence. :P -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group
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Nice, this the actual logo idea in lower case. Excelent. I like more the one with a ship Enviado via iPhone Em 26/10/2010, às 08:49, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com escreveu: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:00 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong opinion one way or another. How about this one? -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group web2py_lettering.png
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What do people think about including Enterprise Web Framework tag line in the logo? I've noticed that in quite a number of public discussions of web2py (e.g., on Reddit), the term Enterprise is both misunderstood and mocked. That doesn't mean we should stop using it, but I wonder if we want to emphasize it by including it right in the logo (maybe at least consider a logo that could work with our without the tag line included). Anyway, this all-text logo by Branko is very nice. I like it better than the ship logo. For me, although the ship logo is aesthetically appealing, both the ship and the font give it sort of an old-fashioned feeling (i.e., rather than modern and cutting-edge). Also, I don't quite get the meaning of the ship -- how does it relate to the web2py brand identity? Anthony On Oct 26, 6:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:00 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong opinion one way or another. How about this one? -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group web2py_lettering.png 116KViewDownload
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I agree. Better not put it in the logo. Mostly because of the different font size, it will create problems when scaled. I like this new proposed logo. On Oct 26, 8:56 am, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about including Enterprise Web Framework tag line in the logo? I've noticed that in quite a number of public discussions of web2py (e.g., on Reddit), the term Enterprise is both misunderstood and mocked. That doesn't mean we should stop using it, but I wonder if we want to emphasize it by including it right in the logo (maybe at least consider a logo that could work with our without the tag line included). Anyway, this all-text logo by Branko is very nice. I like it better than the ship logo. For me, although the ship logo is aesthetically appealing, both the ship and the font give it sort of an old-fashioned feeling (i.e., rather than modern and cutting-edge). Also, I don't quite get the meaning of the ship -- how does it relate to the web2py brand identity? Anthony On Oct 26, 6:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:00 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong opinion one way or another. How about this one? -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group web2py_lettering.png 116KViewDownload
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I will make different version to compensate for scaling. Personally, I've taken a look at web2py precisely because it said enterprise. The reason is I was looking for something that offered full-stack integration, rather than bits and pieces of unintegrated layers, or worse, no components for some layers. Anyway, that doesn't mean it has to be in the logo (although it _is_ recommended from usability stand point[1] in the website header). I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with that. [1] http://www.sensible.com/dmmt.html On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 4:26 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I agree. Better not put it in the logo. Mostly because of the different font size, it will create problems when scaled. I like this new proposed logo. On Oct 26, 8:56 am, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about including Enterprise Web Framework tag line in the logo? I've noticed that in quite a number of public discussions of web2py (e.g., on Reddit), the term Enterprise is both misunderstood and mocked. That doesn't mean we should stop using it, but I wonder if we want to emphasize it by including it right in the logo (maybe at least consider a logo that could work with our without the tag line included). Anyway, this all-text logo by Branko is very nice. I like it better than the ship logo. For me, although the ship logo is aesthetically appealing, both the ship and the font give it sort of an old-fashioned feeling (i.e., rather than modern and cutting-edge). Also, I don't quite get the meaning of the ship -- how does it relate to the web2py brand identity? Anthony On Oct 26, 6:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:00 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong opinion one way or another. How about this one? -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group web2py_lettering.png 116KViewDownload -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group
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For me enterprise means: - full stack (as you say) - care for users (backward compatibility and support) - easy to use and deploy (web based admin) - easy to scale (we support GAE) We say enterprise because the term includes both business and non- profits, which I consider an important segment of our market share. Massimo On Oct 26, 9:44 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: I will make different version to compensate for scaling. Personally, I've taken a look at web2py precisely because it said enterprise. The reason is I was looking for something that offered full-stack integration, rather than bits and pieces of unintegrated layers, or worse, no components for some layers. Anyway, that doesn't mean it has to be in the logo (although it _is_ recommended from usability stand point[1] in the website header). I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with that. [1]http://www.sensible.com/dmmt.html On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 4:26 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I agree. Better not put it in the logo. Mostly because of the different font size, it will create problems when scaled. I like this new proposed logo. On Oct 26, 8:56 am, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about including Enterprise Web Framework tag line in the logo? I've noticed that in quite a number of public discussions of web2py (e.g., on Reddit), the term Enterprise is both misunderstood and mocked. That doesn't mean we should stop using it, but I wonder if we want to emphasize it by including it right in the logo (maybe at least consider a logo that could work with our without the tag line included). Anyway, this all-text logo by Branko is very nice. I like it better than the ship logo. For me, although the ship logo is aesthetically appealing, both the ship and the font give it sort of an old-fashioned feeling (i.e., rather than modern and cutting-edge). Also, I don't quite get the meaning of the ship -- how does it relate to the web2py brand identity? Anthony On Oct 26, 6:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:00 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong opinion one way or another. How about this one? -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group web2py_lettering.png 116KViewDownload -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group
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I really like the idea of a bold, simple image to represent the framework. I'm just not convinced a ship is the right image. Maybe it would be more helpful to the few good logo designers on this list (of which Branko is certainly one), for us to propose different images. I'll list what I feel (personally) are the strengths of the framework that an image would ideally represent: 1a. Speed (of development) 1b. Security 2. Reliability/Stability (ie, promise of backwards compatibility...the one thing that *truly* distinguishes web2py from other frameworks; most others don't even try) Some quick image ideas off the top of my head (that may or may not be practical as logos): - 'bullet' train - sailfish - catamaran sailboat (a bit more modern-looking/faster than Branko's original ship design; though I'd imagine less logo-friendly) - hummingbird - chain (close-up of two or three individual links) - hawk - lion - gazelle Please note that I've left off spiders and snakes. I think they would add less than nothing to web2py's brand identity. -Mike On Oct 26, 9:56 am, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about including Enterprise Web Framework tag line in the logo? I've noticed that in quite a number of public discussions of web2py (e.g., on Reddit), the term Enterprise is both misunderstood and mocked. That doesn't mean we should stop using it, but I wonder if we want to emphasize it by including it right in the logo (maybe at least consider a logo that could work with our without the tag line included). Anyway, this all-text logo by Branko is very nice. I like it better than the ship logo. For me, although the ship logo is aesthetically appealing, both the ship and the font give it sort of an old-fashioned feeling (i.e., rather than modern and cutting-edge). Also, I don't quite get the meaning of the ship -- how does it relate to the web2py brand identity? Anthony On Oct 26, 6:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:00 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong opinion one way or another. How about this one? -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group web2py_lettering.png 116KViewDownload
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Also: 3. Easy (to learn and use) 4. Open/welcoming/friendly/helpful (this refers to the community) 5. Active development (i.e., constantly being enhanced and improved) As for the logo, I'm sure opinions will differ on all-text vs. image logos (and will probably depend a lot on the particular design), but I'm not sure a highly literal physical object image (e.g., boat, train, animal, etc.) will work that well for web2py. Those kinds of images certainly make sense when they represent something directly in the brand name (e.g., Ruby on Rails has a ruby with rails; Turbogears has a gear; Flask has a flask), but can be confusing otherwise. That's not to say we shouldn't have an image, but if we do, something more abstract may work better (e.g., like the old logo). Anthony On Oct 26, 11:27 am, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: I really like the idea of a bold, simple image to represent the framework. I'm just not convinced a ship is the right image. Maybe it would be more helpful to the few good logo designers on this list (of which Branko is certainly one), for us to propose different images. I'll list what I feel (personally) are the strengths of the framework that an image would ideally represent: 1a. Speed (of development) 1b. Security 2. Reliability/Stability (ie, promise of backwards compatibility...the one thing that *truly* distinguishes web2py from other frameworks; most others don't even try) Some quick image ideas off the top of my head (that may or may not be practical as logos): - 'bullet' train - sailfish - catamaran sailboat (a bit more modern-looking/faster than Branko's original ship design; though I'd imagine less logo-friendly) - hummingbird - chain (close-up of two or three individual links) - hawk - lion - gazelle Please note that I've left off spiders and snakes. I think they would add less than nothing to web2py's brand identity. -Mike On Oct 26, 9:56 am, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about including Enterprise Web Framework tag line in the logo? I've noticed that in quite a number of public discussions of web2py (e.g., on Reddit), the term Enterprise is both misunderstood and mocked. That doesn't mean we should stop using it, but I wonder if we want to emphasize it by including it right in the logo (maybe at least consider a logo that could work with our without the tag line included). Anyway, this all-text logo by Branko is very nice. I like it better than the ship logo. For me, although the ship logo is aesthetically appealing, both the ship and the font give it sort of an old-fashioned feeling (i.e., rather than modern and cutting-edge). Also, I don't quite get the meaning of the ship -- how does it relate to the web2py brand identity? Anthony On Oct 26, 6:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:00 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong opinion one way or another. How about this one? -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group web2py_lettering.png 116KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -
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Excellent points. On Oct 26, 12:04 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: Also: 3. Easy (to learn and use) 4. Open/welcoming/friendly/helpful (this refers to the community) 5. Active development (i.e., constantly being enhanced and improved) As for the logo, I'm sure opinions will differ on all-text vs. image logos (and will probably depend a lot on the particular design), but I'm not sure a highly literal physical object image (e.g., boat, train, animal, etc.) will work that well for web2py. Those kinds of images certainly make sense when they represent something directly in the brand name (e.g., Ruby on Rails has a ruby with rails; Turbogears has a gear; Flask has a flask), but can be confusing otherwise. That's not to say we shouldn't have an image, but if we do, something more abstract may work better (e.g., like the old logo). Anthony On Oct 26, 11:27 am, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: I really like the idea of a bold, simple image to represent the framework. I'm just not convinced a ship is the right image. Maybe it would be more helpful to the few good logo designers on this list (of which Branko is certainly one), for us to propose different images. I'll list what I feel (personally) are the strengths of the framework that an image would ideally represent: 1a. Speed (of development) 1b. Security 2. Reliability/Stability (ie, promise of backwards compatibility...the one thing that *truly* distinguishes web2py from other frameworks; most others don't even try) Some quick image ideas off the top of my head (that may or may not be practical as logos): - 'bullet' train - sailfish - catamaran sailboat (a bit more modern-looking/faster than Branko's original ship design; though I'd imagine less logo-friendly) - hummingbird - chain (close-up of two or three individual links) - hawk - lion - gazelle Please note that I've left off spiders and snakes. I think they would add less than nothing to web2py's brand identity. -Mike On Oct 26, 9:56 am, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about including Enterprise Web Framework tag line in the logo? I've noticed that in quite a number of public discussions of web2py (e.g., on Reddit), the term Enterprise is both misunderstood and mocked. That doesn't mean we should stop using it, but I wonder if we want to emphasize it by including it right in the logo (maybe at least consider a logo that could work with our without the tag line included). Anyway, this all-text logo by Branko is very nice. I like it better than the ship logo. For me, although the ship logo is aesthetically appealing, both the ship and the font give it sort of an old-fashioned feeling (i.e., rather than modern and cutting-edge). Also, I don't quite get the meaning of the ship -- how does it relate to the web2py brand identity? Anthony On Oct 26, 6:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:00 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: I have no strong opinion one way or another. How about this one? -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group web2py_lettering.png 116KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -
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Please don't even try to imagine a graphic designer that would turn abstract ideas like Stability and Ease of use into a useful graphic. That's impossible. In reality, it's the reverse. You have a memorable image that you can associate with the qualities you discover in a product. And only then does the image 'obtain' those qualities. Does a 3-pointed star represents German high-precision engineering, and luxury? I doubt that. Yet, Benz is using that shape. And people have come to associate those qualities with exactly the kind of 3-pointed star Benz uses, and no other. You can put just any kind of 3-pointed star on your car and expect it to look well-made and comfortable. It only works if it's the Mercedes-Benz 3-pointed star. When Arch Linux community had it's logo design contest, we run into this very problem: discussion about the qualities that a logo should represent. And, of course, you can't find those qualities in the logo that's currently being used unless you've associated them with the image yourself. But the discussion dragged on for days, and the whole community was divided in a flame war. There were even some 'professionals' who claimed a logo really can speak 1000 words. That's so far from truth. You'd really have to draw a painting of a logo to pull that off. So, what are the notable exceptions to the above? Concrete imagery. In other words, mascots. And only those mascots that have some root in the culture. Lions, Tigers, Crane, Frogs, etc. Those animals have traditionally lots of characteristics associated with them. So using such images definitely can tell a story. What about that ship? Well, it's a 50-50 bet. To some it may speak, to others it may not. And here's a good test of this. How many of you had the following ideas when seeing that ship: * Ability to carry a huge amount of load: scalability * A graceful voyage across a vast ocean: stability * Took a lot of manpower to build: great community How many of you got those ideas upon seeing it? I suspect most had other thoughts. I seriously doubt there is a unified and universal graphical language that you can use reliably to relay abstract messages. IOW: Graphic design still hasn't got it's HTTP. ;) So, before this turns into a pointless discussions, let's just stop wasting time on abstract ideas. Stability, Speed, Scalability, et al. those are for the product itself to achieve, not the logo. Logo can be colorful, sharp, cute, dull, crap... Let's focus on what the logo CAN be, please. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent points. On Oct 26, 12:04 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: Also: 3. Easy (to learn and use) 4. Open/welcoming/friendly/helpful (this refers to the community) 5. Active development (i.e., constantly being enhanced and improved) As for the logo, I'm sure opinions will differ on all-text vs. image logos (and will probably depend a lot on the particular design), but I'm not sure a highly literal physical object image (e.g., boat, train, animal, etc.) will work that well for web2py. Those kinds of images certainly make sense when they represent something directly in the brand name (e.g., Ruby on Rails has a ruby with rails; Turbogears has a gear; Flask has a flask), but can be confusing otherwise. That's not to say we shouldn't have an image, but if we do, something more abstract may work better (e.g., like the old logo). Anthony On Oct 26, 11:27 am, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: I really like the idea of a bold, simple image to represent the framework. I'm just not convinced a ship is the right image. Maybe it would be more helpful to the few good logo designers on this list (of which Branko is certainly one), for us to propose different images. I'll list what I feel (personally) are the strengths of the framework that an image would ideally represent: 1a. Speed (of development) 1b. Security 2. Reliability/Stability (ie, promise of backwards compatibility...the one thing that *truly* distinguishes web2py from other frameworks; most others don't even try) Some quick image ideas off the top of my head (that may or may not be practical as logos): - 'bullet' train - sailfish - catamaran sailboat (a bit more modern-looking/faster than Branko's original ship design; though I'd imagine less logo-friendly) - hummingbird - chain (close-up of two or three individual links) - hawk - lion - gazelle Please note that I've left off spiders and snakes. I think they would add less than nothing to web2py's brand identity. -Mike On Oct 26, 9:56 am, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about including Enterprise Web Framework tag line in the logo? I've noticed that in quite a number of public discussions of web2py (e.g., on Reddit), the term Enterprise is both misunderstood and mocked. That doesn't mean we should stop using it, but I
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+1 to Branko again. ( mailist should have a comment voting system :D ) On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't even try to imagine a graphic designer that would turn abstract ideas like Stability and Ease of use into a useful graphic. That's impossible. In reality, it's the reverse. You have a memorable image that you can associate with the qualities you discover in a product. And only then does the image 'obtain' those qualities. Does a 3-pointed star represents German high-precision engineering, and luxury? I doubt that. Yet, Benz is using that shape. And people have come to associate those qualities with exactly the kind of 3-pointed star Benz uses, and no other. You can put just any kind of 3-pointed star on your car and expect it to look well-made and comfortable. It only works if it's the Mercedes-Benz 3-pointed star. When Arch Linux community had it's logo design contest, we run into this very problem: discussion about the qualities that a logo should represent. And, of course, you can't find those qualities in the logo that's currently being used unless you've associated them with the image yourself. But the discussion dragged on for days, and the whole community was divided in a flame war. There were even some 'professionals' who claimed a logo really can speak 1000 words. That's so far from truth. You'd really have to draw a painting of a logo to pull that off. So, what are the notable exceptions to the above? Concrete imagery. In other words, mascots. And only those mascots that have some root in the culture. Lions, Tigers, Crane, Frogs, etc. Those animals have traditionally lots of characteristics associated with them. So using such images definitely can tell a story. What about that ship? Well, it's a 50-50 bet. To some it may speak, to others it may not. And here's a good test of this. How many of you had the following ideas when seeing that ship: * Ability to carry a huge amount of load: scalability * A graceful voyage across a vast ocean: stability * Took a lot of manpower to build: great community How many of you got those ideas upon seeing it? I suspect most had other thoughts. I seriously doubt there is a unified and universal graphical language that you can use reliably to relay abstract messages. IOW: Graphic design still hasn't got it's HTTP. ;) So, before this turns into a pointless discussions, let's just stop wasting time on abstract ideas. Stability, Speed, Scalability, et al. those are for the product itself to achieve, not the logo. Logo can be colorful, sharp, cute, dull, crap... Let's focus on what the logo CAN be, please. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent points. On Oct 26, 12:04 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: Also: 3. Easy (to learn and use) 4. Open/welcoming/friendly/helpful (this refers to the community) 5. Active development (i.e., constantly being enhanced and improved) As for the logo, I'm sure opinions will differ on all-text vs. image logos (and will probably depend a lot on the particular design), but I'm not sure a highly literal physical object image (e.g., boat, train, animal, etc.) will work that well for web2py. Those kinds of images certainly make sense when they represent something directly in the brand name (e.g., Ruby on Rails has a ruby with rails; Turbogears has a gear; Flask has a flask), but can be confusing otherwise. That's not to say we shouldn't have an image, but if we do, something more abstract may work better (e.g., like the old logo). Anthony On Oct 26, 11:27 am, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: I really like the idea of a bold, simple image to represent the framework. I'm just not convinced a ship is the right image. Maybe it would be more helpful to the few good logo designers on this list (of which Branko is certainly one), for us to propose different images. I'll list what I feel (personally) are the strengths of the framework that an image would ideally represent: 1a. Speed (of development) 1b. Security 2. Reliability/Stability (ie, promise of backwards compatibility...the one thing that *truly* distinguishes web2py from other frameworks; most others don't even try) Some quick image ideas off the top of my head (that may or may not be practical as logos): - 'bullet' train - sailfish - catamaran sailboat (a bit more modern-looking/faster than Branko's original ship design; though I'd imagine less logo-friendly) - hummingbird - chain (close-up of two or three individual links) - hawk - lion - gazelle Please note that I've left off spiders and snakes. I think they would add less than nothing to web2py's brand identity. -Mike On Oct 26, 9:56 am, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about including
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No, I do not have a server that can run web2py currently. (due to a conflict with simplejson. I require the version from pypi, which coincidentally is incompatible with web2py (and I do not feel like reconfiguring my server to use virtualenv)). The code is at http://code.google.com/p/plugincentral/ You are welcome to make a checkout and run it locally. Most of it is working actually... There are a few tweaks to be made security wise for the demo, but I think its almost done. Register account. Upload a plugin, provide name, descriptions, categories, license, the packed plugin file, a version, a screenshot, a packed demo application to showcase the plugin. There will also be featured plugins that the site admin can choose to display at the top of the index page. The admin can also download all demo applications and review them. If approved, it uses app_install to install the application into web2py and generates a link to it. So if you have a plugin named Comments it will make an app named plugin_central_Comments and for the demo you just get redirected there. I do need to go over the rules of a demo app 1) Must use sqlite 2) Cannot contain appadmin 3) Cannot be harmful to the filesystem 4) Cannot have functions that require minutes to complete. 5) Cannot have tons of data in the database. 6) Cannot contain external links 7) Must work. -- Thadeus On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: Do you have a site up and running? On Oct 24, 6:09 pm, Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com wrote: I am working on plugin central, finally have some free time to devote to the project. However I am a horrible artist, and wonder if anyone would like to help me with designing a logo? This is my color scheme White - body content #5E99E7 - Links main color (a light blue) #F5F4EF - Grey, page background I would like to use the new Ubuntu font since it is open source. -- Thadeus
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This has some overlap with what I am doing... anyway... we can merge later. On Oct 25, 3:54 am, Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com wrote: No, I do not have a server that can run web2py currently. (due to a conflict with simplejson. I require the version from pypi, which coincidentally is incompatible with web2py (and I do not feel like reconfiguring my server to use virtualenv)). The code is athttp://code.google.com/p/plugincentral/You are welcome to make a checkout and run it locally. Most of it is working actually... There are a few tweaks to be made security wise for the demo, but I think its almost done. Register account. Upload a plugin, provide name, descriptions, categories, license, the packed plugin file, a version, a screenshot, a packed demo application to showcase the plugin. There will also be featured plugins that the site admin can choose to display at the top of the index page. The admin can also download all demo applications and review them. If approved, it uses app_install to install the application into web2py and generates a link to it. So if you have a plugin named Comments it will make an app named plugin_central_Comments and for the demo you just get redirected there. I do need to go over the rules of a demo app 1) Must use sqlite 2) Cannot contain appadmin 3) Cannot be harmful to the filesystem 4) Cannot have functions that require minutes to complete. 5) Cannot have tons of data in the database. 6) Cannot contain external links 7) Must work. -- Thadeus On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: Do you have a site up and running? On Oct 24, 6:09 pm, Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com wrote: I am working on plugin central, finally have some free time to devote to the project. However I am a horrible artist, and wonder if anyone would like to help me with designing a logo? This is my color scheme White - body content #5E99E7 - Links main color (a light blue) #F5F4EF - Grey, page background I would like to use the new Ubuntu font since it is open source. -- Thadeus
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I've missed this part of the convo when I was replying to Thadeus off-list. Anyway, since I've already done something, and the current plugins site doesn't seem to have it's own logo either, I'll attach the thing I've done, so you can take a look. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:58 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This has some overlap with what I am doing... anyway... we can merge later. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group attachment: PluginCentral_logo.png
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Nice work! On Oct 25, 8:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: I've missed this part of the convo when I was replying to Thadeus off-list. Anyway, since I've already done something, and the current plugins site doesn't seem to have it's own logo either, I'll attach the thing I've done, so you can take a look. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:58 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This has some overlap with what I am doing... anyway... we can merge later. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group PluginCentral_logo.png 52KViewDownload
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https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-Mjg1NDBhNWQtOWM1MC00ZmE2LWJiZjktZWZjZTkyZTJhMmYyhl=enauthkey=COWQ8YEF On Oct 25, 10:12 am, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: Nice work! On Oct 25, 8:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: I've missed this part of the convo when I was replying to Thadeus off-list. Anyway, since I've already done something, and the current plugins site doesn't seem to have it's own logo either, I'll attach the thing I've done, so you can take a look. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:58 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This has some overlap with what I am doing... anyway... we can merge later. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group PluginCentral_logo.png 52KViewDownload
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Massimo, do you have what you are working on posted anywhere? -- Thadeus On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:17 AM, weheh richard_gor...@verizon.net wrote: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-Mjg1NDBhNWQtOWM1MC00ZmE2LWJiZjktZWZjZTkyZTJhMmYyhl=enauthkey=COWQ8YEF On Oct 25, 10:12 am, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: Nice work! On Oct 25, 8:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: I've missed this part of the convo when I was replying to Thadeus off-list. Anyway, since I've already done something, and the current plugins site doesn't seem to have it's own logo either, I'll attach the thing I've done, so you can take a look. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:58 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This has some overlap with what I am doing... anyway... we can merge later. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group PluginCentral_logo.png 52KViewDownload
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Branko, Did you proposed a logo for web2py main site too ? You did an excelent work with this one, if we have a second round to submit and vote for logos, you would send your ideas. 2010/10/25 Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com I've missed this part of the convo when I was replying to Thadeus off-list. Anyway, since I've already done something, and the current plugins site doesn't seem to have it's own logo either, I'll attach the thing I've done, so you can take a look. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:58 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This has some overlap with what I am doing... anyway... we can merge later. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group -- http://rochacbruno.com.br
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On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: Branko, Did you proposed a logo for web2py main site too ? You did an excelent work with this one, if we have a second round to submit and vote for logos, you would send your ideas. Well, no I haven't proposed a logo for web2py. I wasn't aware of web2py until very recently, and then I just noted a change in the main website design. :) If a new logo is needed at any time, I will be delighted to propose one. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group
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No because I did not write anything yet. Anyway, my idea to have something that works very much like the layouts page: it exposes a list plugins via a json service and admin/ wizard has access to that. For regular plugins there may be version, dependencies, etc and this adds some complexity. Anyway, our projects may be complementary. You pay provide a plugin showcase. I may just provide a service for the wizard and select a subset of featured plugins, and we may link them. Massimo On Oct 25, 9:35 am, Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com wrote: Massimo, do you have what you are working on posted anywhere? -- Thadeus On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:17 AM, weheh richard_gor...@verizon.net wrote: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BzPqKovYWlw-Mjg1NDBhNWQtOWM1MC00ZmE2... On Oct 25, 10:12 am, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: Nice work! On Oct 25, 8:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: I've missed this part of the convo when I was replying to Thadeus off-list. Anyway, since I've already done something, and the current plugins site doesn't seem to have it's own logo either, I'll attach the thing I've done, so you can take a look. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:58 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This has some overlap with what I am doing... anyway... we can merge later. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group PluginCentral_logo.png 52KViewDownload
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On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:33 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: No because I did not write anything yet. Anyway, my idea to have something that works very much like the layouts page: it exposes a list plugins via a json service and admin/ wizard has access to that. All we have to do after that is click that green Make a web site button. :) -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group
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It should be easy enough to add a service for a listing of plugins. Would come up with a design specification for the API you want? Your even welcome to make a checkout and just add an API to the plugincentral codebase if you get to it before I do. I don't see any reason why this would need to be two separate apps. I'm willing to give commit access to anyone who wants to help. At least for right now, I don't know of any plugins that have dependencies, and that part of the plugin spec still is not fleshed out. This is why I removed storing separate versions for each plugin and just have it store the latest version. I would love to have this work on GAE, but to be able to provide proper demonstration of plugins it requires being able to install an app into web2py. -- Thadeus On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:33 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: yway, our projects may be compleme
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Should we also have a section for appliances? Anthony On Oct 25, 4:54 am, Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com wrote: No, I do not have a server that can run web2py currently. (due to a conflict with simplejson. I require the version from pypi, which coincidentally is incompatible with web2py (and I do not feel like reconfiguring my server to use virtualenv)). The code is athttp://code.google.com/p/plugincentral/You are welcome to make a checkout and run it locally. Most of it is working actually... There are a few tweaks to be made security wise for the demo, but I think its almost done. Register account. Upload a plugin, provide name, descriptions, categories, license, the packed plugin file, a version, a screenshot, a packed demo application to showcase the plugin. There will also be featured plugins that the site admin can choose to display at the top of the index page. The admin can also download all demo applications and review them. If approved, it uses app_install to install the application into web2py and generates a link to it. So if you have a plugin named Comments it will make an app named plugin_central_Comments and for the demo you just get redirected there. I do need to go over the rules of a demo app 1) Must use sqlite 2) Cannot contain appadmin 3) Cannot be harmful to the filesystem 4) Cannot have functions that require minutes to complete. 5) Cannot have tons of data in the database. 6) Cannot contain external links 7) Must work. -- Thadeus On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: Do you have a site up and running? On Oct 24, 6:09 pm, Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com wrote: I am working on plugin central, finally have some free time to devote to the project. However I am a horrible artist, and wonder if anyone would like to help me with designing a logo? This is my color scheme White - body content #5E99E7 - Links main color (a light blue) #F5F4EF - Grey, page background I would like to use the new Ubuntu font since it is open source. -- Thadeus- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -
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Consider adding code-reivew and rating features, so the community can mark stuff as safe to include in a project or not safe. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com wrote: It should be easy enough to add a service for a listing of plugins. Would come up with a design specification for the API you want? Your even welcome to make a checkout and just add an API to the plugincentral codebase if you get to it before I do. I don't see any reason why this would need to be two separate apps. I'm willing to give commit access to anyone who wants to help. At least for right now, I don't know of any plugins that have dependencies, and that part of the plugin spec still is not fleshed out. This is why I removed storing separate versions for each plugin and just have it store the latest version. I would love to have this work on GAE, but to be able to provide proper demonstration of plugins it requires being able to install an app into web2py. -- Thadeus On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:33 AM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: yway, our projects may be compleme -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group
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Nice!!! On Oct 25, 9:49 am, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: I've missed this part of the convo when I was replying to Thadeus off-list. Anyway, since I've already done something, and the current plugins site doesn't seem to have it's own logo either, I'll attach the thing I've done, so you can take a look. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:58 PM, mdipierro mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu wrote: This has some overlap with what I am doing... anyway... we can merge later. -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group PluginCentral_logo.png 52KViewDownload
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Branko, Did you proposed a logo for web2py main site too ? You did an excelent work with this one, if we have a second round to submit and vote for logos, you would send your ideas. Well, no I haven't proposed a logo for web2py. I wasn't aware of web2py until very recently, and then I just noted a change in the main website design. :) If a new logo is needed at any time, I will be delighted to propose one. Branko, I dont know if people are thinking about a Second round on logo votation http://www.blouweb.com/logovote/default/index?order=id , but even without tha votation, I think it is a good idea for you to propose a new logo. - Logo should have no snakes - Logo should not be childish/fun - Better more letters than images - Should blend with the website color scheme - Should be good on every background or printing If you propose a nice logo, I think it can be considered, even if not for mainsite, but for ther related projects or welcome app.
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+1 to Bruno and Branko On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: Branko, Did you proposed a logo for web2py main site too ? You did an excelent work with this one, if we have a second round to submit and vote for logos, you would send your ideas. Well, no I haven't proposed a logo for web2py. I wasn't aware of web2py until very recently, and then I just noted a change in the main website design. :) If a new logo is needed at any time, I will be delighted to propose one. Branko, I dont know if people are thinking about a Second round on logo votation http://www.blouweb.com/logovote/default/index?order=id , but even without tha votation, I think it is a good idea for you to propose a new logo. - Logo should have no snakes - Logo should not be childish/fun - Better more letters than images - Should blend with the website color scheme - Should be good on every background or printing If you propose a nice logo, I think it can be considered, even if not for mainsite, but for ther related projects or welcome app.
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On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: Branko, I dont know if people are thinking about a Second round on logo votation http://www.blouweb.com/logovote/default/index?order=id , but even without tha votation, I think it is a good idea for you to propose a new logo. - Logo should have no snakes - Logo should not be childish/fun - Better more letters than images - Should blend with the website color scheme - Should be good on every background or printing If you propose a nice logo, I think it can be considered, even if not for mainsite, but for ther related projects or welcome app. Oh sure. I will do that. Thanks. ;) -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group
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Very nice logo! could explain the concept of the ship? All sailing together with web2py! 2010/10/25 Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com It says no more uploads, so I'll attach the first proposal here. In the following days, I will probably do more. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: Branko, I dont know if people are thinking about a Second round on logo votation http://www.blouweb.com/logovote/default/index?order=id , but even without tha votation, I think it is a good idea for you to propose a new logo. - Logo should have no snakes - Logo should not be childish/fun - Better more letters than images - Should blend with the website color scheme - Should be good on every background or printing If you propose a nice logo, I think it can be considered, even if not for mainsite, but for ther related projects or welcome app. Oh sure. I will do that. Thanks. ;) -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group -- http://rochacbruno.com.br
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I Like more the white one! What people and Massimo think about reopen logo contest for a second round keeping just which has more than 5 votes, and new submissions ? 2010/10/25 Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com It says no more uploads, so I'll attach the first proposal here. In the following days, I will probably do more. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: Branko, I dont know if people are thinking about a Second round on logo votation http://www.blouweb.com/logovote/default/index?order=id , but even without tha votation, I think it is a good idea for you to propose a new logo. - Logo should have no snakes - Logo should not be childish/fun - Better more letters than images - Should blend with the website color scheme - Should be good on every background or printing If you propose a nice logo, I think it can be considered, even if not for mainsite, but for ther related projects or welcome app. Oh sure. I will do that. Thanks. ;) -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group -- http://rochacbruno.com.br
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I have no strong opinion one way or another. On Oct 25, 6:18 pm, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: I Like more the white one! What people and Massimo think about reopen logo contest for a second round keeping just which has more than 5 votes, and new submissions ? 2010/10/25 Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com It says no more uploads, so I'll attach the first proposal here. In the following days, I will probably do more. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: Branko, I dont know if people are thinking about a Second round on logo votationhttp://www.blouweb.com/logovote/default/index?order=id , but even without tha votation, I think it is a good idea for you to propose a new logo. - Logo should have no snakes - Logo should not be childish/fun - Better more letters than images - Should blend with the website color scheme - Should be good on every background or printing If you propose a nice logo, I think it can be considered, even if not for mainsite, but for ther related projects or welcome app. Oh sure. I will do that. Thanks. ;) -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group -- http://rochacbruno.com.br
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I like the white one! Very nice! Nothing wrong with the ship. Does it mean we are a flasg ship product with new ideas?! :D On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 00:46 +0200, Branko Vukelic wrote: It says no more uploads, so I'll attach the first proposal here. In the following days, I will probably do more. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Branko Vukelic bg.bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: Branko, I dont know if people are thinking about a Second round on logo votation http://www.blouweb.com/logovote/default/index?order=id , but even without tha votation, I think it is a good idea for you to propose a new logo. - Logo should have no snakes - Logo should not be childish/fun - Better more letters than images - Should blend with the website color scheme - Should be good on every background or printing If you propose a nice logo, I think it can be considered, even if not for mainsite, but for ther related projects or welcome app. Oh sure. I will do that. Thanks. ;) -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny Gimp Brushmakers Guild http://bit.ly/gbg-group attachment: face-smile-big.png
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Do you have a site up and running? On Oct 24, 6:09 pm, Thadeus Burgess thade...@thadeusb.com wrote: I am working on plugin central, finally have some free time to devote to the project. However I am a horrible artist, and wonder if anyone would like to help me with designing a logo? This is my color scheme White - body content #5E99E7 - Links main color (a light blue) #F5F4EF - Grey, page background I would like to use the new Ubuntu font since it is open source. -- Thadeus
