Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Jean Pierre Malrieu]

I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, Windows, 
Linux) the same boring UI job...

Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit :

> Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any 
> one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at 
> best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been 
> biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between 
> advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and 
> would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as 
> Winblows.






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Re: Joda Time Prototypes [was Re: Patched MySQL plugin]

[Ramsey Lee Gurley]

Oh, and I forgot to mention, 5.4 branch only.

Ramsey

On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:

> Ok guys,
> 
> I've done some work on this and now have working Joda LocalTime, LocalDate, 
> and LocalDateTime prototypes.  For any of you who are interested/adventurous, 
> I've put patches to enable this up on JIRA. Feel free to give it a try and 
> see if it works for you. Let me know if you find any bugs or have any 
> suggestions.
> 
> http://issues.objectstyle.org/jira/browse/WONDER-611
> 
> Ramsey
> 
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:
> 
>> Ok, I see it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ramsey
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> 
>>> i THINK it happens in EOAttribute it's like 
>>> adaptorValueByConvertingSomething..Value?
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:
>>> 
 
 On Oct 6, 2010, at 11:57 AM, John Huss wrote:
 
> 
> didn't 5.4 add adaptorValueConversionClassName in addition to the 
> adaptorValueConversionMethodName that lets you get around that limitation?
> 
> ms
> 
> You can add this to the list of things that don't work in 5.4.  When 
> using the adaptorValueConversionClassName "converts" the value by 
> assigning it to the java.lang.reflect.Method object represented by the 
> conversion method; it doesn't ever invoke the method.  And it doesn't 
> even find the correct method because it looks for one with no arguments, 
> which is useless.  I guess no one ever tried to actually run that code 
> after writing it.
> 
> I'll file a radar.
> 
> John 
 
 Out of curiosity, where does it do that?  What class or classes do the 
 conversion?
 
 Ramsey
 
 
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Joda Time Prototypes [was Re: Patched MySQL plugin]

[Ramsey Lee Gurley]

Ok guys,

I've done some work on this and now have working Joda LocalTime, LocalDate, and 
LocalDateTime prototypes.  For any of you who are interested/adventurous, I've 
put patches to enable this up on JIRA. Feel free to give it a try and see if it 
works for you. Let me know if you find any bugs or have any suggestions.

http://issues.objectstyle.org/jira/browse/WONDER-611

Ramsey

On Oct 6, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:

> Ok, I see it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ramsey
> 
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> 
>> i THINK it happens in EOAttribute it's like 
>> adaptorValueByConvertingSomething..Value?
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 11:57 AM, John Huss wrote:
>>> 
 
 didn't 5.4 add adaptorValueConversionClassName in addition to the 
 adaptorValueConversionMethodName that lets you get around that limitation?
 
 ms
 
 You can add this to the list of things that don't work in 5.4.  When using 
 the adaptorValueConversionClassName "converts" the value by assigning it 
 to the java.lang.reflect.Method object represented by the conversion 
 method; it doesn't ever invoke the method.  And it doesn't even find the 
 correct method because it looks for one with no arguments, which is 
 useless.  I guess no one ever tried to actually run that code after 
 writing it.
 
 I'll file a radar.
 
 John 
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, where does it do that?  What class or classes do the 
>>> conversion?
>>> 
>>> Ramsey
>>> 
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Job postings on wocommunity.org

[Pascal Robert]

Ok, I finally took the time to fix the qualifier that was not displaying the 
job postings on wocommunity.org, so now they are displayed :

http://www.wocommunity.org/page/jobs

I will add RSS feeds for it later.

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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Dino Strausz]

On 21 Oct 2010, at 5:25 PM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com  
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:52:43 -0700
From: Dov Rosenberg 
Subject: Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code
To: Chuck Hill ,Stefan Klein

Cc: "webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com" 
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You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died  
after 3.5.1

- sometime in the 4.x I think


that was really sad... i really miss that obsolete-and-sick  
javaBridge... :'(




We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time)

Dov Rosenberg






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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Dino Strausz]

On 21 Oct 2010, at 3:17 PM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com  
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:12:33 +0200
From: Stefan Klein 
Subject: Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code
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Can't remember the exact years but:

1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box

and then the horror began:

Operating Systems:
- NeXTstep on several plattforms
- OpenStep
- Black Hardware dies
- YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
- YellowBox died
- Next buys apple

WO:

- Started with WO 3.5
- WebScript dies
- Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
- Last Windows Version WO 5.2

Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die

I think we will survive that too!


I just wonder why they like to kill so many good tools...
but yea, we will survive...
in an iPad, as Chuck said, but will survive...

Dino



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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Dino Strausz]

+1

On 21 Oct 2010, at 12:27 PM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com  
wrote:



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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:32:11 -0600
From: Ken Foust 
Subject: Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code
To: Ken Anderson 
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I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most  
comments until he responds.


But what do you think of CocoaWO now

My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web  
dev app tied to Cocoa.




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Re: WebObjects Community ideas on Google Moderator

[Pascal Robert]

We could add links in your Japanese docs from the JavaDoc, example Link #1 
would send people to the wiki and Link #2 would go to your Japanese pages.

> That's fine.
> 
> But Google Translate won't work very well with Japanese <-> English.
> 
> Maybe German or other Languages are OK.
> 
> There is no real good translation Program to Japanese.
> 
> I tried it often but sometimes I don't get a clue what the translation try to 
> say^^
> 
> On 2010/10/21, at 22:10, Simon wrote:
> 
 and our Wonder version is really heavy Documented. That makes it also hard 
 to give back Frameworks to the Community.
>>> 
>>> That is unfortunate.
>> 
>> this is why the following idea on google moderator is so important:
>> 
>> "We need a way to link the JavaDoc and the wiki together. It could be
>> special tags in the JavaDoc so that those tags are found, we
>> automatically create a page in the wiki with a link to the JavaDoc."
>> 
>> google translate could then sort it all out !
>> 
>> Simon
> 
> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ken Anderson]

Dude, you sound just like Steve Jobs :)

On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

> Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any 
> one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at 
> best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been 
> biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between 
> advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and 
> would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as 
> Winblows.
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:06 PM, John Huss wrote:
> 
>> Had Apple actually maintained their version of Swing to keep it looking 
>> current, Swing would have been elegant.  Instead they always looked 
>> antiquated.  Now it will be even worse.  So much for cross-platform 
>> application development outside the browser.
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Simon  wrote:
>> I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing.
>> 
>> oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant.
>> 
>> simon
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Re: RightScale Template?

[Paul Hoadley]

On 22/10/2010, at 1:50 AM, James Cicenia wrote:

> RightScale as a meta cloud system seems like a great place to have 
> a Linux/Apache/WO/Wonder/sql (LAWWS) template.
> 
> Anyone have and published one out there? 

If you're talking about being a customer of RightScale and using their 
services, then ignore this.  But if you're thinking of using a publicly 
available RightScale machine image on, say, EC2:

I looked at some RightScale machine images on Amazon EC2 a few weeks ago as an 
alternative to starting from Amazon's ageing Fedora offerings.  You would need 
to check their license terms pretty carefully to see if they're suitable for 
you—they require you to set up and maintain an account with RightScale, and 
that may not be what you're looking for.  Amazon has since released their 
"Amazon Linux" images, which are (IMHO) a much better prospect for building a 
WebObjects app server from a blank slate.  Simon has published a public image 
which can be used for just that: ami-de91bbaa.


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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Kieran Kelleher]

Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one 
platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at best, 
and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been biased from 
the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between advancing 
high-tech operating systems such as OS X and 
would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as 
Winblows.

On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:06 PM, John Huss wrote:

> Had Apple actually maintained their version of Swing to keep it looking 
> current, Swing would have been elegant.  Instead they always looked 
> antiquated.  Now it will be even worse.  So much for cross-platform 
> application development outside the browser.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Simon  wrote:
> I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing.
> 
> oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant.
> 
> simon
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Kieran Kelleher]

Better than that, we will be on WO 5.4.x + Wonder 8.0.203267. WO is java, Java 
is extendable, hackable, injectable, over-rideable .. I prefer the new 
WebObjects features to be open-source in WOnder than added as closed source in 
WebObjects.

On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Joe Little wrote:

> But it will still be 5.4.3
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:
> 
>> My 2 cents:
>> 
>> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
>> 
>> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
>> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
>> 
>> -Kieran
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>> 
>>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
>>> until he responds.
>>> 
>>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>>> 
>>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app 
>>> tied to Cocoa.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>>> 
 Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
 
> +1 
> =p
> 
> 
> >
> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
> >
> 
> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Chuck Hill]

Ah, yes, the rapturous beauty of Swing!


On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Simon wrote:

> I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing.
> 
> oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant.
> 
> simon
> 
> On 21 October 2010 22:44, Ken Foust  wrote:
>> Christ now you won't even be able to do Grails.
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
>> 
>>> You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1
>>> - sometime in the 4.x I think
>>> 
>>> We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time)
>>> 
>>> Dov Rosenberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/21/10 4:19 PM, "Chuck Hill"  wrote:
>>> 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
 
> Can't remember the exact years but:
> 
> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
> 
> and then the horror began:
> 
> Operating Systems:
> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
> - OpenStep
> - Black Hardware dies
> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
 
 Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS!  Ick!
 
 
> - YellowBox died
 
 Several WO companies got sued...
 
 
> - Next buys apple
> 
> WO:
> 
> - Started with WO 3.5
> - WebScript dies
> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
> 
> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
> 
> I think we will survive that too!
> 
> Stefan
> 
> Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
>> My 2 cents:
>> 
>> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
>> 
>> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here
>> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
>> 
>> -Kieran
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>> 
>>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments
>>> until he responds.
>>> 
>>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>>> 
>>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev 
>>> app
>>> tied to Cocoa.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>>> 
 Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
 
> +1
> =p
> 
> 
>> 
>> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>> 
> 
> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
> 
> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[David Avendasora]

Wait a minute...

What about D2JC?!

Really people. Think about it. We won't be able to do D2JC anymore

Hello?

Anybody?

No?

Well, at least something hasn't changed in the past 6 years. :-)

Dave




On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Simon wrote:

> I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing.
> 
> oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant.
> 
> simon
> 
> On 21 October 2010 22:44, Ken Foust  wrote:
>> Christ now you won't even be able to do Grails.
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
>> 
>>> You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1
>>> - sometime in the 4.x I think
>>> 
>>> We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time)
>>> 
>>> Dov Rosenberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/21/10 4:19 PM, "Chuck Hill"  wrote:
>>> 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
 
> Can't remember the exact years but:
> 
> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
> 
> and then the horror began:
> 
> Operating Systems:
> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
> - OpenStep
> - Black Hardware dies
> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
 
 Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS!  Ick!
 
 
> - YellowBox died
 
 Several WO companies got sued...
 
 
> - Next buys apple
> 
> WO:
> 
> - Started with WO 3.5
> - WebScript dies
> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
> 
> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
> 
> I think we will survive that too!
> 
> Stefan
> 
> Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
>> My 2 cents:
>> 
>> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
>> 
>> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here
>> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
>> 
>> -Kieran
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>> 
>>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments
>>> until he responds.
>>> 
>>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>>> 
>>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev 
>>> app
>>> tied to Cocoa.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>>> 
 Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
 
> +1
> =p
> 
> 
>> 
>> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>> 
> 
> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[John Huss]

Had Apple actually maintained their version of Swing to keep it looking
current, Swing would have been elegant.  Instead they always looked
antiquated.  Now it will be even worse.  So much for cross-platform
application development outside the browser.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Simon  wrote:

> I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing.
>
> oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant.
>
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Re: RightScale Template?

[Simon]

nope, but there are plenty of amazon ec2 ami's:

http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Deploying+WO+on+Amazon+EC2

also checkout amazon's new free user tier - all the kit you need to
get up and running in the cloud and it's free for a year !!

http://aws.amazon.com/free/

simon


On 21 October 2010 16:20, James Cicenia  wrote:
> RightScale as a meta cloud system seems like a great place to have
> a Linux/Apache/WO/Wonder/sql (LAWWS) template.
>
> Anyone have and published one out there?
>
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Simon]

I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing.

oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant.

simon

On 21 October 2010 22:44, Ken Foust  wrote:
> Christ now you won't even be able to do Grails.
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
>
>> You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1
>> - sometime in the 4.x I think
>>
>> We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time)
>>
>> Dov Rosenberg
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/10 4:19 PM, "Chuck Hill"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
>>>
 Can't remember the exact years but:

 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box

 and then the horror began:

 Operating Systems:
 - NeXTstep on several plattforms
 - OpenStep
 - Black Hardware dies
 - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
>>>
>>> Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS!  Ick!
>>>
>>>
 - YellowBox died
>>>
>>> Several WO companies got sued...
>>>
>>>
 - Next buys apple

 WO:

 - Started with WO 3.5
 - WebScript dies
 - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
 - Last Windows Version WO 5.2

 Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die

 I think we will survive that too!

 Stefan

 Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
> My 2 cents:
>
> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
>
> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here
> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
>
> -Kieran
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>
>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments
>> until he responds.
>>
>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>>
>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev 
>> app
>> tied to Cocoa.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>>>
 +1
 =p


>
> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>

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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ken Foust]

Christ now you won't even be able to do Grails.

On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:

> You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1
> - sometime in the 4.x I think
> 
> We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time)
> 
> Dov Rosenberg
> 
> 
> On 10/21/10 4:19 PM, "Chuck Hill"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
>> 
>>> Can't remember the exact years but:
>>> 
>>> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
>>> 
>>> and then the horror began:
>>> 
>>> Operating Systems:
>>> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
>>> - OpenStep
>>> - Black Hardware dies
>>> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
>> 
>> Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS!  Ick!
>> 
>> 
>>> - YellowBox died
>> 
>> Several WO companies got sued...
>> 
>> 
>>> - Next buys apple
>>> 
>>> WO:
>>> 
>>> - Started with WO 3.5
>>> - WebScript dies
>>> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
>>> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
>>> 
>>> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
>>> 
>>> I think we will survive that too!
>>> 
>>> Stefan
>>> 
>>> Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
 My 2 cents:
 
 Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
 
 I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here
 developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
 
 -Kieran
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
 
> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments
> until he responds.
> 
> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
> 
> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app
> tied to Cocoa.
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
> 
>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>> 
>>> +1 
>>> =p
>>> 
>>> 
 
 Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
 
>>> 
>>> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Lon Varscsak]

Finally Chuck admits it! ;)

-Lon

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Chuck Hill  wrote:
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
>
>> OK OK, horror is not the correct word (sorry, I'm not a native speaker) but 
>> the last 20 years there were a lot of discussions about that.
>> I missed to note annual WO is dead discussions :-) .
>
> WO is dead?  Is WO dead?  WO IS dead!  Oh my God! Run away!  Run away!  Run 
> away!
>
> :-P
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>>
>> But to make it clear:
>>
>> I like WO and I hope i will be able to work with it the next 20 years.
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
>> Am 21.10.10 22:16, schrieb Ken Anderson:
>>> How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 
>>> 5 years, forget about 20! :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
>>>
 Can't remember the exact years but:

 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box

 and then the horror began:

 Operating Systems:
 - NeXTstep on several plattforms
 - OpenStep
 - Black Hardware dies
 - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
 - YellowBox died
 - Next buys apple

 WO:

 - Started with WO 3.5
 - WebScript dies
 - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
 - Last Windows Version WO 5.2

 Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die

 I think we will survive that too!

 Stefan

 Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
> My 2 cents:
>
> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
>
> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
>
> -Kieran
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>
>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
>> until he responds.
>>
>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>>
>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev 
>> app tied to Cocoa.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>>>
 +1
 =p


 >
 > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Dov Rosenberg]

You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1
- sometime in the 4.x I think

We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time)

Dov Rosenberg


On 10/21/10 4:19 PM, "Chuck Hill"  wrote:

> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
> 
>> Can't remember the exact years but:
>> 
>> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
>> 
>> and then the horror began:
>> 
>> Operating Systems:
>> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
>> - OpenStep
>> - Black Hardware dies
>> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
> 
> Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS!  Ick!
> 
> 
>> - YellowBox died
> 
> Several WO companies got sued...
> 
> 
>> - Next buys apple
>> 
>> WO:
>> 
>> - Started with WO 3.5
>> - WebScript dies
>> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
>> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
>> 
>> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
>> 
>> I think we will survive that too!
>> 
>> Stefan
>> 
>> Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
>>> My 2 cents:
>>> 
>>> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
>>> 
>>> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here
>>> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
>>> 
>>> -Kieran
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>>> 
 I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments
 until he responds.
 
 But what do you think of CocoaWO now
 
 My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app
 tied to Cocoa.
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
 
> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
> 
>> +1 
>> =p
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>>> 
>> 
>> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Joe Little]

But it will still be 5.4.3

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:

> My 2 cents:
> 
> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
> 
> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
> 
> -Kieran
> 
> 
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> 
>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
>> until he responds.
>> 
>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>> 
>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app 
>> tied to Cocoa.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>> 
>>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>>> 
 +1 
 =p
 
 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

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Am 21.10.10 22:30, schrieb Chuck Hill:

On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:


OK OK, horror is not the correct word (sorry, I'm not a native speaker) but the 
last 20 years there were a lot of discussions about that.
I missed to note annual WO is dead discussions :-) .

WO is dead?  Is WO dead?  WO IS dead!  Oh my God! Run away!  Run away!  Run 
away!

Run away ? Never !
The best way is to work on WO projects and wait until the annual tempest 
in a teacup is gone ;-) .

:-P


Chuck



But to make it clear:

I like WO and I hope i will be able to work with it the next 20 years.

Stefan


Am 21.10.10 22:16, schrieb Ken Anderson:

How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 
years, forget about 20! :)


On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:


Can't remember the exact years but:

1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box

and then the horror began:

Operating Systems:
- NeXTstep on several plattforms
- OpenStep
- Black Hardware dies
- YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
- YellowBox died
- Next buys apple

WO:

- Started with WO 3.5
- WebScript dies
- Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
- Last Windows Version WO 5.2

Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die

I think we will survive that too!

Stefan

Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:

My 2 cents:

Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.

I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing 
WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)

-Kieran


On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:


I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until 
he responds.

But what do you think of CocoaWO now

My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied 
to Cocoa.


On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:


+1
=p



Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...


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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Paul D Yu]

Long live WOnder!!!

:-)

Paul
On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
> 
>> OK OK, horror is not the correct word (sorry, I'm not a native speaker) but 
>> the last 20 years there were a lot of discussions about that.
>> I missed to note annual WO is dead discussions :-) .
> 
> WO is dead?  Is WO dead?  WO IS dead!  Oh my God! Run away!  Run away!  Run 
> away!
> 
> :-P
> 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> 
>> But to make it clear:
>> 
>> I like WO and I hope i will be able to work with it the next 20 years.
>> 
>> Stefan
>> 
>> 
>> Am 21.10.10 22:16, schrieb Ken Anderson:
>>> How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 
>>> 5 years, forget about 20! :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
>>> 
 Can't remember the exact years but:
 
 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
 
 and then the horror began:
 
 Operating Systems:
 - NeXTstep on several plattforms
 - OpenStep
 - Black Hardware dies
 - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
 - YellowBox died
 - Next buys apple
 
 WO:
 
 - Started with WO 3.5
 - WebScript dies
 - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
 - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
 
 Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
 
 I think we will survive that too!
 
 Stefan
 
 Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
> My 2 cents:
> 
> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
> 
> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
> 
> -Kieran
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
> 
>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
>> until he responds.
>> 
>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>> 
>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev 
>> app tied to Cocoa.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>> 
>>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>>> 
 +1 
 =p
 
 
> 
> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
> 
 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Chuck Hill]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:

> OK OK, horror is not the correct word (sorry, I'm not a native speaker) but 
> the last 20 years there were a lot of discussions about that.
> I missed to note annual WO is dead discussions :-) .

WO is dead?  Is WO dead?  WO IS dead!  Oh my God! Run away!  Run away!  Run 
away!

:-P


Chuck


> 
> But to make it clear:
> 
> I like WO and I hope i will be able to work with it the next 20 years.
> 
> Stefan
> 
> 
> Am 21.10.10 22:16, schrieb Ken Anderson:
>> How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 
>> years, forget about 20! :)
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
>> 
>>> Can't remember the exact years but:
>>> 
>>> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
>>> 
>>> and then the horror began:
>>> 
>>> Operating Systems:
>>> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
>>> - OpenStep
>>> - Black Hardware dies
>>> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
>>> - YellowBox died
>>> - Next buys apple
>>> 
>>> WO:
>>> 
>>> - Started with WO 3.5
>>> - WebScript dies
>>> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
>>> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
>>> 
>>> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
>>> 
>>> I think we will survive that too!
>>> 
>>> Stefan
>>> 
>>> Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
 My 2 cents:
 
 Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
 
 I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
 developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
 
 -Kieran
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
 
> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
> until he responds.
> 
> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
> 
> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev 
> app tied to Cocoa.
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
> 
>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>> 
>>> +1 
>>> =p
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >
>>> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>>> >
>>> 
>>> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
>>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Stefan Klein]

OK OK, horror is not the correct word (sorry, I'm not a native speaker) 
but the last 20 years there were a lot of discussions about that.

I missed to note annual WO is dead discussions :-) .

But to make it clear:

I like WO and I hope i will be able to work with it the next 20 years.

Stefan


Am 21.10.10 22:16, schrieb Ken Anderson:
How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted more 
than 5 years, forget about 20! :)



On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:


Can't remember the exact years but:

1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box

and then the horror began:

Operating Systems:
- NeXTstep on several plattforms
- OpenStep
- Black Hardware dies
- YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
- YellowBox died
- Next buys apple

WO:

- Started with WO 3.5
- WebScript dies
- Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
- Last Windows Version WO 5.2

Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die

I think we will survive that too!

Stefan

Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:

My 2 cents:

Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the 
positive.


I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra" 
 ;-)


-Kieran


On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:

I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most 
comments until he responds.


But what do you think of CocoaWO now

My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web 
dev app tied to Cocoa.



On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:


+1
=p


>
> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>

That was my thought as well, I swear :p


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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

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On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:

> Can't remember the exact years but:
> 
> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
> 
> and then the horror began:
> 
> Operating Systems:
> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
> - OpenStep
> - Black Hardware dies
> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)

Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS!  Ick!


> - YellowBox died

Several WO companies got sued...


> - Next buys apple
> 
> WO:
> 
> - Started with WO 3.5
> - WebScript dies
> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
> 
> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
> 
> I think we will survive that too!
> 
> Stefan
> 
> Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
>> My 2 cents:
>> 
>> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
>> 
>> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
>> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
>> 
>> -Kieran
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>> 
>>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
>>> until he responds.
>>> 
>>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>>> 
>>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app 
>>> tied to Cocoa.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>>> 
 Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
 
> +1 
> =p
> 
> 
> >
> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
> >
> 
> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ken Anderson]

How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 
years, forget about 20! :)


On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:

> Can't remember the exact years but:
> 
> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
> 
> and then the horror began:
> 
> Operating Systems:
> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
> - OpenStep
> - Black Hardware dies
> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
> - YellowBox died
> - Next buys apple
> 
> WO:
> 
> - Started with WO 3.5
> - WebScript dies
> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
> 
> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
> 
> I think we will survive that too!
> 
> Stefan
> 
> Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
>> 
>> My 2 cents:
>> 
>> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
>> 
>> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
>> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
>> 
>> -Kieran
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>> 
>>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
>>> until he responds.
>>> 
>>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>>> 
>>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app 
>>> tied to Cocoa.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>>> 
 Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
 
> +1 
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Re: WebObjects Community ideas on Google Moderator

[ISHIMOTO Ken]

That's fine.

But Google Translate won't work very well with Japanese <-> English.

Maybe German or other Languages are OK.

There is no real good translation Program to Japanese.

I tried it often but sometimes I don't get a clue what the translation try to 
say^^

On 2010/10/21, at 22:10, Simon wrote:

>>> and our Wonder version is really heavy Documented. That makes it also hard 
>>> to give back Frameworks to the Community.
>> 
>> That is unfortunate.
> 
> this is why the following idea on google moderator is so important:
> 
> "We need a way to link the JavaDoc and the wiki together. It could be
> special tags in the JavaDoc so that those tags are found, we
> automatically create a page in the wiki with a link to the JavaDoc."
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> google translate could then sort it all out !
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Simon]

openjdk6 is on macports. maybe they will get 7 soon

simon

On 21 October 2010 20:44, Ramsey Gurley  wrote:
> From the sound of that, we really do just need OpenJDK7 to get started with
> Java 7 right away (^_^)  Sweet!  So, now all I need to do is figure out how
> to compile it.
>
> Ramsey
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:23 PM, David LeBer wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2010-10-21, at 3:15 PM, Joe Little wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the clarification from you and David. I knew there was some
>>> apple java dependencies but not sure of which. The only way to make openjdk
>>> work now though is x11 I think, correct?
>>
>> No.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> See the comments:
>>
>>> David Green said...
>>> @Axel Rauschmayer since SWT uses native widgets it does not run on X11,
>>> it uses the mac native controls (Cocoa in this case). As far as a
>>> screenshot, it looks the same as when run using the Apple VM.
>>>
>>> JANUARY 26, 2010 5:42 PM
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:38 AM, John Huss  wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little  wrote:
 Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it
 to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then
 finder drag and drop is lost among other things

 That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely
 unaffected by this.  But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java
  provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt
 with.  X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac.

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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Stefan Klein]

Can't remember the exact years but:

1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box

and then the horror began:

Operating Systems:
- NeXTstep on several plattforms
- OpenStep
- Black Hardware dies
- YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
- YellowBox died
- Next buys apple

WO:

- Started with WO 3.5
- WebScript dies
- Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
- Last Windows Version WO 5.2

Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die

I think we will survive that too!

Stefan

Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:

My 2 cents:

Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.

I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)


-Kieran


On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:

I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most 
comments until he responds.


But what do you think of CocoaWO now

My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web 
dev app tied to Cocoa.



On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:


+1
=p


>
> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>

That was my thought as well, I swear :p


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Re: WebObjects Community ideas on Google Moderator

[Simon]

>> and our Wonder version is really heavy Documented. That makes it also hard 
>> to give back Frameworks to the Community.
>
> That is unfortunate.

this is why the following idea on google moderator is so important:

"We need a way to link the JavaDoc and the wiki together. It could be
special tags in the JavaDoc so that those tags are found, we
automatically create a page in the wiki with a link to the JavaDoc."

google translate could then sort it all out !

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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ramsey Gurley]

From the sound of that, we really do just need OpenJDK7 to get  
started with Java 7 right away (^_^)  Sweet!  So, now all I need to do  
is figure out how to compile it.


Ramsey

On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:23 PM, David LeBer wrote:



On 2010-10-21, at 3:15 PM, Joe Little wrote:

Thanks for the clarification from you and David. I knew there was  
some apple java dependencies but not sure of which. The only way to  
make openjdk work now though is x11 I think, correct?


No.




See the comments:


David Green said...
@Axel Rauschmayer since SWT uses native widgets it does not run on  
X11, it uses the mac native controls (Cocoa in this case). As far  
as a screenshot, it looks the same as when run using the Apple VM.


JANUARY 26, 2010 5:42 PM





On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:38 AM, John Huss  wrote:

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little   
wrote:
Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't  
use it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use  
x11, and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things


That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is  
largely unaffected by this.  But it does rely on a few extensions  
to standard java  provided by the mac version of the JVM, and  
these will have to be dealt with.  X11 will never be necessary to  
run an SWT app on mac.


John

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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ken Anderson]

ohhh I like it!  Better trademark that puppy now before the mailing list bots 
at Apple do :)

On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

> Mac OS XI Cobra

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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Chuck Hill]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

> My 2 cents:
> 
> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
> 
> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)

My money is on Mac iOS 7 Rattlesnake on a 27" iPad.




> 
> -Kieran
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
> 
>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
>> until he responds.
>> 
>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>> 
>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app 
>> tied to Cocoa.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>> 
>>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>>> 
 +1 
 =p
 
 
 >
 > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Kieran Kelleher]

My 2 cents:

Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.

I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing 
WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)

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On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:

> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
> until he responds.
> 
> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
> 
> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app 
> tied to Cocoa.
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
> 
>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>> 
>>> +1 
>>> =p
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >
>>> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>>> >
>>> 
>>> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
>>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

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On 2010-10-21, at 3:15 PM, Joe Little wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification from you and David. I knew there was some apple 
> java dependencies but not sure of which. The only way to make openjdk work 
> now though is x11 I think, correct?

No.



See the comments:

> David Green said...
> @Axel Rauschmayer since SWT uses native widgets it does not run on X11, it 
> uses the mac native controls (Cocoa in this case). As far as a screenshot, it 
> looks the same as when run using the Apple VM.
> 
> JANUARY 26, 2010 5:42 PM


> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:38 AM, John Huss  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little  wrote:
>> Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to 
>> display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder 
>> drag and drop is lost among other things
>> 
>> That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely 
>> unaffected by this.  But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java  
>> provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt 
>> with.  X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac.
>> 
>> John
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Joe Little]

Thanks for the clarification from you and David. I knew there was some apple 
java dependencies but not sure of which. The only way to make openjdk work now 
though is x11 I think, correct?

On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:38 AM, John Huss  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little  wrote:
> Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to 
> display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder 
> drag and drop is lost among other things
> 
> That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely 
> unaffected by this.  But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java  
> provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt with. 
>  X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac.
> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ken Anderson]

Thank goodness!!

On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:38 PM, John Huss wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little  wrote:
> Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to 
> display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder 
> drag and drop is lost among other things
> 
> That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely 
> unaffected by this.  But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java  
> provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt with. 
>  X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac.
> 
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Re: WebObjects Community ideas on Google Moderator

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HI Ken,

On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:36 AM, ISHIMOTO Ken wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
> 
> 
>> Do you have an estimate of the number of people and companies in Japan that 
>> are currently using WebObjects.  I have met several of the people over the 
>> years and had an idea that it was quite a few.
> 
> I know 4 Companies that are mostly 90% developing in WO.
> 
> Also there are about 50-60 Companies that use WO in-house. I am not allowed 
> to say any names or ...

Thanks, that is good and useful information.  I understand about the names.


> Many Companies are maintenance there app in-house, some Companies also use it 
> for new Development too.
> 
> Also our Job is to translate Documentation WO / Wonder to japanese and 
> teaching, but the big Problem is there is no way yet for multi language 
> Javadoc, 

One of many shortcomings in JavaDoc.


> and our Wonder version is really heavy Documented. That makes it also hard to 
> give back Frameworks to the Community.

That is unfortunate.


> It is no Problem if I make documentation in Japanese & English for me. But if 
> I can only use one Language than I have to go my own way and use the Language 
> that it is easier to use for me.
> 
> Also a new Project on that we are working will be a wonder based app.
> 
> I hope it helped a little.

It did.  Thank you!

Chuck



>> 
>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:29 AM, ISHIMOTO Ken wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pascal,
>>> 
>>> I know lot of Peoples and Companies in Japan the didnt' answer the Survey.
>>> 
>>> Most Companies are in-house Developments and the are not allowed to speak.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2010/10/20, at 14:33, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, so according to the surveys, the main issues people have with 
 WebObjects and Wonder are lack of current documentation and code sample. 
 People do love the community, and a lot of you said that the community is 
 the #1 reason why they keep using WO. But still, a lot also said that they 
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 http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/WOCommunity+2010+Individual+Survey
 

 http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/WOCommunity+2010+Organization+Survey+results
 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[John Huss]

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little  wrote:

> Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to
> display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder
> drag and drop is lost among other things


That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely
unaffected by this.  But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java
 provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt
with.  X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac.

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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

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On 2010-10-21, at 2:26 PM, Joe Little wrote:

> Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to 
> display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder 
> drag and drop is lost among other things

Erm, Eclipse uses SWT which gives it access to native widgets and is not 
dependent on the Apple JVM.

There are things that Eclipse depends on in the Apple JVM but native widgets 
are not one of them.

> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Ramsey Gurley  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:39 PM, David LeBer wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2010-10-21, at 12:29 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>>> 
 Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>>> 
>>> Earlier today from twitter:
>>> 
 mschrag 11:18 AM
 surprised at how smooth it was to build openjdk on mac
>> 
>> Does this mean we'll see an OpenJDK 7 binary package for 10.6 up on 
>> mDimension build server soon? That would rock (^_^)
>> 
>> Ramsey
>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
 
> +1
> =p
> 
> 
>> 
>> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ramsey Gurley]

Ahh, I see.. that sounds like more than a simple recompile :-/


On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Joe Little wrote:

Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use  
it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11,  
and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things


On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Ramsey Gurley   
wrote:




On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:39 PM, David LeBer wrote:



On 2010-10-21, at 12:29 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?


Earlier today from twitter:


mschrag 11:18 AM
surprised at how smooth it was to build openjdk on mac


Does this mean we'll see an OpenJDK 7 binary package for 10.6 up on  
mDimension build server soon? That would rock (^_^)


Ramsey




On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:


+1
=p




Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...



That was my thought as well, I swear :p


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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Joe Little]

Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to 
display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder 
drag and drop is lost among other things

On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Ramsey Gurley  wrote:

> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:39 PM, David LeBer wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 2010-10-21, at 12:29 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>> 
>>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>> 
>> Earlier today from twitter:
>> 
>>> mschrag 11:18 AM
>>> surprised at how smooth it was to build openjdk on mac
> 
> Does this mean we'll see an OpenJDK 7 binary package for 10.6 up on 
> mDimension build server soon? That would rock (^_^)
> 
> Ramsey
> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>>> 
 +1
 =p
 
 
> 
> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
> 
 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ramsey Gurley]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:39 PM, David LeBer wrote:



On 2010-10-21, at 12:29 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?


Earlier today from twitter:


mschrag 11:18 AM
surprised at how smooth it was to build openjdk on mac


Does this mean we'll see an OpenJDK 7 binary package for 10.6 up on  
mDimension build server soon? That would rock (^_^)


Ramsey




On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:


+1
=p




Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...



That was my thought as well, I swear :p


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Re: ERMD2WEditAttachment in Edit page only works once.

[David Holt]

On 2010-10-21, at 1:55 AM, Johan Henselmans wrote:

> 
> On 20 okt 2010, at 18:35, David Holt wrote:
> 
>> Hi Johan!
>> 
>> On 2010-10-20, at 7:27 AM, Johan Henselmans wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I tried to find out why this happens and it seems that 
>>> ERFileAttachmentProcessor.java does not get a configurationName passed on. 
>>> 
>>> Which leads to the following questions:
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to have two uploadblobs in one form with 
>>> ERMD2WEditAttachment?
>> 
>> It should be. You need two different configuration names as you've done.
>> 
>>> Why can't I set the properties of two separate ERAttachments in the 
>>> Properties file?
>> 
>> I don't believe the properties are where your problem lies. If you remember 
>> from the screencast, you need to set three bindings on an upload - 
>> configurationName, editingContext, and attachment. If you have multiple 
>> uploaders on a pageConfiguration, then it seems that you'll need to use the 
>> rules to tell the component the bindings.
>> 
>> 100 : (task = 'edit' and entity.name = 'Document' and propertyKey = 
>> 'attachedFile') => attachmentConfigurationName = "Document.attachedFile" 
>> [com.webobjects.directtoweb.Assignment]
>> 
>> David
>> 
> 
> OK, I added  the rules
> properyKey= picturebig -> attachmentConfigurationName = ShowInfo.picturebig,
> and 
> properyKey= picturesmall -> attachmentConfigurationName = 
> ShowInfo.picturesmall

Maybe you're misnaming or mistyping something?

In the properties you listed in your previous email you're calling your 
configuration ShowInfo.showpicturebig and ShowInfo.showpicturesmall

Are you sure the configurations listed in the properties are named *exactly* 
the same as they are configured in the Rules?

d

> 
> to the previous rules:
> properyKey= picturebig -> componentName = ERMD2WEditAttachment,
> properyKey= picturesmall -> componentName = ERMD2WEditAttachment,
> 
> 
> uploading the first item (picturebig) worked, apart from the following error:
> There is no element on this page with the id "AFUIC_0".
> 
> The second ERMD2WEditAttachment still came with the error: 
> There is no 'er.attachment.null.file.filesystemPath' or 
> 'er.attachment.file.filesystemPath' property set.
> 
> after adding the rules:
> properyKey= picturesmall -> attachmentId = ShowInfo.picturesmall,
> properyKey= picturebig -> attachmentId = ShowInfo.picturebig,
> 
> I did not get any errors uploading pictures to the form for the first time, 
> but clicking on the edit button in the ERMD2WEditAttachment, I could select a 
> picture for the bottom component (picturesmall), but for the component above 
> it, I did not get a filebrowser window, the original picture disappeared, but 
> saving the complete entity and opening it again did show the old picture in 
> the first ERMD2WEditAttachment. 
> 
> Is there anything else I have to set?
> 
> I assume I do not have to set the editing Context for D2W?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
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>>> 
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Re: Still another D2W question

[Andrew R. Kinnie]

That resolved it (as expected).  Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.


On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:56 AM, David LeBer wrote:

>> However, using Safari to inspect the "Find" button results in these errors:
>> 
>> reset_base_fonts.cssFailed to load resource: the server responded with a 
>> status of 404 (Not Found)
>> ercoolcomponents.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with a 
>> status of 404 (Not Found)
>> ReferenceError: Can't find variable: CCSL
> 
> Well that would be your problem, you should probably fix that.
> 
>> It does appear that it is having problems finding reset_base_fonts.css and 
>> ercoolcomponents.js (I have no idea what CCSL is or if it's relevant.  Maybe 
>> it's in ercoolcomponents.js?)
> 
> Yes.

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Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

[Johnny Miller]

I hope this is true.  Yesterday, Apple was bragging that their install base is 
now 50M macs.  It's hard to imagine Oracle ignoring all those customers.  And 
it's true that Apple's VM has lagged for a long time and at times has been a 
lot slower than the Sun supplied VM for Windows.  


On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:

> That was my first thought when I head this.
> 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:56 AM, Simon wrote:
> 
>> This is great news for java developers on the mac platform. Apples
>> development of the mac jvm has been dog slow for years. Where is java
>> 7? Where is java 8? Oracle will pick up from here and we'll have
>> regular updates and access to the latest kit
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, October 21, 2010, David Avendasora
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>> Where did the X11 come from? I don't see that in the emails you are copying 
>>> below.
>>> Also, as Rob Ross pointed out below, this ends up making MacOS X the same 
>>> as every other OS out there, you will have to download and install a JVM 
>>> yourself in future versions of OS X. Where to get a third-party JVM for 
>>> Mac? That's another question. Now that Apple isn't providing their own JVM 
>>> and they've opened OS X up for others, there should be a third-party, or 
>>> even a Sun/Oracle VM soon.
>>> There's a _lot_ of Java coders out there using Macs. It's a vacuum that 
>>> isn't going to last long.
>>> It does suck that Apple's own JVM is being deprecated, but it's not like 
>>> Microsoft has their own JVM either and Java seems to work just fine there.
>>> Dave
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Matthias Jakob wrote:
>>> LLLOLOL
>>> and Eclipse with X11?
>>> At this time if there is no native gui java, macosx is dead for me our 
>>> company our deployment an ALL our customers!
>>> so apple: think twice!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PS: WO Guys, Mike whats the hell is this -> X11 ??
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>>> Am 21.10.2010 um 12:03 schrieb Shawn Erickson:
>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Rob Ross  wrote:
>>> It is worse than this. Not only are Java apps not going to be permitted, 
>>> Apple is actually *removing* Java from future Mac OS versions. So even if 
>>> you wanted to develop a Java app for the Mac App store, you are prohibited 
>>> because Java is now deprecated...just in time for the Mac App store 
>>> announcement.
>>> 
>>> That these two announcements happen on the same day is very suspicious, and 
>>> it is hard not to think they are quite related.
>>> 
>>> If your product needs Java you are now free to bundle/install a JVM
>>> with your product (or point customers at it) and the OS will support
>>> using it. Many folks have been asking for this capability. This is
>>> like most other operating systems. It is also similar to products that
>>> use things like Qt, they bundle it with their application.
>>> 
>>> If you purchased a Mac to do Java development you can continue to use
>>> it for that by using a 3rd party JVM, etc.
>>> 
>>> Apple isn't planning to continue their JVM port essentially but they
>>> aren't preventing others from doing so. It sucks but...
>>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Farrukh Ijaz]

On 2010-10-21, at 7:37 PM, John Huss wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Ken Anderson  wrote:
> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
> 
> Yeah, that should work for server apps.  The big loser here is Swing 
> applications, at least until Oracle has a new implementation for Mac.  
> However, SWT and Eclipse are also affected, although less so; but one eclipse 
> dev seems pretty down about it ("[it] may be the beginning of the end of 
> Eclipse on the Mac platform"): 
> http://alblue.bandlem.com/2010/10/apple-deprecates-java.html

And perhaps the beginning of another fall after 1995~96... They can't simply 
survive "iOS powered Touch devices" for long. Android and Blackberry are 
following with greater pace and soon they'll leave Apple behind and then?? I 
remember those days when SAP was famous for it's ABAP R3 and soon they realized 
their isolation and power of Java so they revamped the whole R3 into NetWeaver 
powered by Java. This is one of the reason Oracle eventually acquired Sun 
Microsystems.

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Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

[Chuck Hill]

That was my first thought when I head this.


Chuck

On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:56 AM, Simon wrote:

> This is great news for java developers on the mac platform. Apples
> development of the mac jvm has been dog slow for years. Where is java
> 7? Where is java 8? Oracle will pick up from here and we'll have
> regular updates and access to the latest kit
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 21, 2010, David Avendasora
>  wrote:
>> Hi Matthias,
>> Where did the X11 come from? I don't see that in the emails you are copying 
>> below.
>> Also, as Rob Ross pointed out below, this ends up making MacOS X the same as 
>> every other OS out there, you will have to download and install a JVM 
>> yourself in future versions of OS X. Where to get a third-party JVM for Mac? 
>> That's another question. Now that Apple isn't providing their own JVM and 
>> they've opened OS X up for others, there should be a third-party, or even a 
>> Sun/Oracle VM soon.
>> There's a _lot_ of Java coders out there using Macs. It's a vacuum that 
>> isn't going to last long.
>> It does suck that Apple's own JVM is being deprecated, but it's not like 
>> Microsoft has their own JVM either and Java seems to work just fine there.
>> Dave
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Matthias Jakob wrote:
>> LLLOLOL
>> and Eclipse with X11?
>> At this time if there is no native gui java, macosx is dead for me our 
>> company our deployment an ALL our customers!
>> so apple: think twice!!
>> 
>> 
>> PS: WO Guys, Mike whats the hell is this -> X11 ??
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>> Am 21.10.2010 um 12:03 schrieb Shawn Erickson:
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Rob Ross  wrote:
>> It is worse than this. Not only are Java apps not going to be permitted, 
>> Apple is actually *removing* Java from future Mac OS versions. So even if 
>> you wanted to develop a Java app for the Mac App store, you are prohibited 
>> because Java is now deprecated...just in time for the Mac App store 
>> announcement.
>> 
>> That these two announcements happen on the same day is very suspicious, and 
>> it is hard not to think they are quite related.
>> 
>> If your product needs Java you are now free to bundle/install a JVM
>> with your product (or point customers at it) and the OS will support
>> using it. Many folks have been asking for this capability. This is
>> like most other operating systems. It is also similar to products that
>> use things like Qt, they bundle it with their application.
>> 
>> If you purchased a Mac to do Java development you can continue to use
>> it for that by using a 3rd party JVM, etc.
>> 
>> Apple isn't planning to continue their JVM port essentially but they
>> aren't preventing others from doing so. It sucks but...
>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[David LeBer]

On 2010-10-21, at 12:29 PM, Ken Anderson wrote:

> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?

Earlier today from twitter:

> mschrag 11:18 AM
> surprised at how smooth it was to build openjdk on mac

> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
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>> +1 
>> =p
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>> >
>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[John Huss]

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:

> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>

Yeah, that should work for server apps.  The big loser here is Swing
applications, at least until Oracle has a new implementation for Mac.
 However, SWT and Eclipse are also affected, although less so; but one
eclipse dev seems pretty down about it ("[it] may be the beginning of the
end of Eclipse on the Mac platform"):
http://alblue.bandlem.com/2010/10/apple-deprecates-java.html

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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ken Foust]

I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until 
he responds.

But what do you think of CocoaWO now

My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied 
to Cocoa.


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> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
> 
>> +1 
>> =p
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>> >
>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ken Anderson]

Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:

> +1 
> =p
> 
> 
> >
> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
> >
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Paulo Siqueira]

+1
=p


>
> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
> >
>
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Joe Little]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:00 AM, David LeBer  wrote:

> 
> On 2010-10-21, at 5:16 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just noticed in Apple's latest Java release (Java 6, update 3) that Apple 
>>> has deprecated it's JVM. 
>>> 
>>> That's the bad news.
>>> 
>>> The GOOD news is that they also included the Apple JVM source code in the 
>>> package. So a non-Apple JVM for OS X shouldn't be far behind.
>>> 
>>> It installs the source here: 
>>> /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0_22-b04-307.jdk/Contents/Home/src.jar
>> 
>> Nevermind. That's _not_ the JVM source.  :-(
>> 
>>> Let the hysteria begin.
>> 
>> Ahg! 
>> 
>> Okay. Maybe I'm not really hysterical. Concerned, though.
> 
> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
> 

That was my thought as well, I swear :p

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Re: ERModern* and localization

[David Avendasora]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:

> It's not weird. You would imagine that only a few languages would have a 
> title like "VERB NOUN". The rest could use god knows what.

On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:53 AM, David LeBer wrote:

> I think Johan understood that...

Wait?! You mean not everyone is as confused as me?

Huh.

Well, I guess there's always Andrew... :-P

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Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

[Ramsey Gurley]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:36 AM, David Avendasora wrote:


Hi Matthias,

Where did the X11 come from? I don't see that in the emails you are  
copying below.



http://java.dzone.com/articles/apple-shuns-java

Must be referring to SoyLatte


Also, as Rob Ross pointed out below, this ends up making MacOS X the  
same as every other OS out there, you will have to download and  
install a JVM yourself in future versions of OS X. Where to get a  
third-party JVM for Mac? That's another question. Now that Apple  
isn't providing their own JVM and they've opened OS X up for others,  
there should be a third-party, or even a Sun/Oracle VM soon.


There's a _lot_ of Java coders out there using Macs. It's a vacuum  
that isn't going to last long.


It does suck that Apple's own JVM is being deprecated, but it's not  
like Microsoft has their own JVM either and Java seems to work just  
fine there.


Dave

On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Matthias Jakob wrote:


LLLOLOL

and Eclipse with X11?

At this time if there is no native gui java, macosx is dead for me  
our company our deployment an ALL our customers!


so apple: think twice!!


PS: WO Guys, Mike whats the hell is this -> X11 ??
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Am 21.10.2010 um 12:03 schrieb Shawn Erickson:

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Rob Ross   
wrote:
It is worse than this. Not only are Java apps not going to be  
permitted, Apple is actually *removing* Java from future Mac OS  
versions. So even if you wanted to develop a Java app for the Mac  
App store, you are prohibited because Java is now  
deprecated...just in time for the Mac App store announcement.


That these two announcements happen on the same day is very  
suspicious, and it is hard not to think they are quite related.


If your product needs Java you are now free to bundle/install a JVM
with your product (or point customers at it) and the OS will support
using it. Many folks have been asking for this capability. This is
like most other operating systems. It is also similar to products  
that

use things like Qt, they bundle it with their application.

If you purchased a Mac to do Java development you can continue to  
use

it for that by using a 3rd party JVM, etc.

Apple isn't planning to continue their JVM port essentially but they
aren't preventing others from doing so. It sucks but...

-Shawn
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RightScale Template?

[James Cicenia]

RightScale as a meta cloud system seems like a great place to have 
a Linux/Apache/WO/Wonder/sql (LAWWS) template.

Anyone have and published one out there? 

- James
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Re: Ajax error if refresh page. SOLVED

[James Cicenia]

I had to put my pingUpdates at the end of the rendering in my html. 


- j-



On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:01 PM, James Cicenia wrote:

> 
> I can reload a page but then it pops dialogs up... seems like things are 
> being loaded before others as the message
> pops up before the page has finished loading... actually three messages as I 
> have three different update containers.
> 
> I need a total refresh because the page after about 20mins consumes 99% 
> browser cycles
> I have three periodic refreshes plus three observe input fields on the page 
> and the javascript is either leaking or such.
> 
> So I figure a complete page refresh would clear everything up.
> 
> - j-
> 
> 
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> 
>> Reloading the page works for me.  That refresh is not quite the same, but I 
>> don't think it will cause what you are seeing.
>> 
>> Does this happen every time or just some times?
>> 
>> Where do you see that error?
>> 
>> Are you doing anything onLoad?
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 4:26 PM, James Cicenia wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Say reload page... or 
>>> 
>>> return ">> context().componentActionURL()+ "\">";
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>>> 
 Well... how are you refreshing?
 
 
 On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, James Cicenia wrote:
 
> How come I get something like this if I refresh a page:
> 
> There is no element on this page with the id 
> "mainAlertDisplayUpdateContainer".
> 
> That is my update area and I need to refresh the whole page.
> 
> Thanks
> James
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> 
> 
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Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

[Q]

On 21/10/2010, at 10:04 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> I don't think we should panic... Don't forget that Apple also need a JVM to 
> run their numerous WO apps. Unless they are going back to WO in Objective-C 
> or Ruby On Rails, they will need a JVM too...

They could just as easily deploy their apps to solaris, which has a supported 
JVM.

For development all they (and we) need on OSX is a current JVM for development 
and one that works with eclipse (they don't both need to be the same JVM). 
Well, that's all we need except perhaps if you are using swing or D2JC.

I think the take away message from this change is that Apple are done caring 
about client side java, it's off their radar. They are adopting the Microsoft 
model of letting java be a third party provided tool instead of part of the 
base OS.

I think the only thing to be concerned about at this point is what Oracle plans 
to do given that they haven't yet provided a statement to confirm they will 
start shipping a mac version of the JDK. 
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Re: ERModern* and localization

[Anjo Krank]

It's not weird. You would imagine that only a few languages would have a title 
like "VERB NOUN". The rest could use god knows what.

And using rules for localization will produce hundreds of them for no gain. 
Also, it's a difference between page titles and button titles so it makes sense 
to have two distinct values but allow for the same one.

Cheers, Anjo

Am 21.10.2010 um 15:46 schrieb David Avendasora:

> Hey Johan,
> 
> I had the same problem to start with. They are handled by the 
> Localizable.strings instead of rules (yeah, weird, I know)
> 
> For Example in Resources/English.lproj/Localizable.strings I have:
> 
>   "Pages.QueryAccount" = "Search for Accounts";
> 
> In Resources/Spanish.lproj/Localizable.strings I have:
> 
>   "Pages.QueryAccount" = "Buscar para Los Cuentas";
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Johan Henselmans wrote:
> 
>> I might say I really like the way ERModernLook…looks. 
>> 
>> One question that remains for me how localization is taken care of:
>> 
>> I added 
>> 
>> # Localization
>> ERXLanguages = (en,nl)
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.defaultLanguage=English
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.useLocalizedFormatters=true
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.fileNamesToWatch=("Localizable.strings","ValidationTemplate.strings")
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.availableLanguages=(English,Dutch)
>> #er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.frameworkSearchPath=(app,ERModernDirectToWeb,ERDirectToWeb,ERExtensions)
>> 
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.English.locale = en
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.Dutch.locale = nl
>> 
>> to the Properties, and Localizable.strings in Dutch.lproj and English.lproj 
>> tend to work for the navigation menu items, but I noticed that some of the 
>> stuff does not localize by default:
>> 
>> For instance, there if I have a queryPageForEntityNamed it still tells 
>> "Query [Entity Name]", and editPageForNewObjectWithEntityNamed it tell 
>> "Create [Entity Name]". 
>> 
>> I'd like to be able to replace 
>> Query with 'Zoek'
>> and 
>> Create with "Maak"
>> 
>> for instance. 
>> 
>> I could not find a way to localize these terms nor the entityNames, like 
>> Ramsay Gurley does in his R2D2W framework and templates, where one can add 
>> in Localizable.strings
>> 
>> (eg)
>> "Entity.name.Performance" = "Voorstelling";
>> 
>> Have I overlooked something? Plans in that direction?
>> 
>> (that was the dutch lesson for today).
>> 
>> 
>> Johan Henselmans
>> jo...@netsense.nl
>> 
>> 
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Re: ERModern* and localization

[David LeBer]

On 2010-10-21, at 9:46 AM, David Avendasora wrote:

> Hey Johan,
> 
> I had the same problem to start with. They are handled by the 
> Localizable.strings instead of rules (yeah, weird, I know)

I think Johan understood that...

> 
> For Example in Resources/English.lproj/Localizable.strings I have:
> 
>   "Pages.QueryAccount" = "Search for Accounts";
> 
> In Resources/Spanish.lproj/Localizable.strings I have:
> 
>   "Pages.QueryAccount" = "Buscar para Los Cuentas";

The trick (aside from the Pages prefix) is that you are localizing the page 
configuration name.

> 
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Johan Henselmans wrote:
> 
>> I might say I really like the way ERModernLook…looks. 
>> 
>> One question that remains for me how localization is taken care of:
>> 
>> I added 
>> 
>> # Localization
>> ERXLanguages = (en,nl)
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.defaultLanguage=English
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.useLocalizedFormatters=true
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.fileNamesToWatch=("Localizable.strings","ValidationTemplate.strings")
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.availableLanguages=(English,Dutch)
>> #er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.frameworkSearchPath=(app,ERModernDirectToWeb,ERDirectToWeb,ERExtensions)
>> 
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.English.locale = en
>> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.Dutch.locale = nl
>> 
>> to the Properties, and Localizable.strings in Dutch.lproj and English.lproj 
>> tend to work for the navigation menu items, but I noticed that some of the 
>> stuff does not localize by default:
>> 
>> For instance, there if I have a queryPageForEntityNamed it still tells 
>> "Query [Entity Name]", and editPageForNewObjectWithEntityNamed it tell 
>> "Create [Entity Name]". 
>> 
>> I'd like to be able to replace 
>> Query with 'Zoek'
>> and 
>> Create with "Maak"
>> 
>> for instance. 
>> 
>> I could not find a way to localize these terms nor the entityNames, like 
>> Ramsay Gurley does in his R2D2W framework and templates, where one can add 
>> in Localizable.strings
>> 
>> (eg)
>> "Entity.name.Performance" = "Voorstelling";
>> 
>> Have I overlooked something? Plans in that direction?
>> 
>> (that was the dutch lesson for today).
>> 
>> 
>> Johan Henselmans
>> jo...@netsense.nl
>> 
>> 
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Re: ERModern* and localization

[David Avendasora]

Hey Johan,

I had the same problem to start with. They are handled by the 
Localizable.strings instead of rules (yeah, weird, I know)

For Example in Resources/English.lproj/Localizable.strings I have:

"Pages.QueryAccount" = "Search for Accounts";

In Resources/Spanish.lproj/Localizable.strings I have:

   "Pages.QueryAccount" = "Buscar 
para Los Cuentas";

Dave

On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Johan Henselmans wrote:

> I might say I really like the way ERModernLook…looks. 
> 
> One question that remains for me how localization is taken care of:
> 
> I added 
> 
> # Localization
> ERXLanguages = (en,nl)
> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.defaultLanguage=English
> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.useLocalizedFormatters=true
> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.fileNamesToWatch=("Localizable.strings","ValidationTemplate.strings")
> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.availableLanguages=(English,Dutch)
> #er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.frameworkSearchPath=(app,ERModernDirectToWeb,ERDirectToWeb,ERExtensions)
> 
> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.English.locale = en
> er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.Dutch.locale = nl
> 
> to the Properties, and Localizable.strings in Dutch.lproj and English.lproj 
> tend to work for the navigation menu items, but I noticed that some of the 
> stuff does not localize by default:
> 
> For instance, there if I have a queryPageForEntityNamed it still tells "Query 
> [Entity Name]", and editPageForNewObjectWithEntityNamed it tell "Create 
> [Entity Name]". 
> 
> I'd like to be able to replace 
> Query with 'Zoek'
> and 
> Create with "Maak"
> 
> for instance. 
> 
> I could not find a way to localize these terms nor the entityNames, like 
> Ramsay Gurley does in his R2D2W framework and templates, where one can add in 
> Localizable.strings
> 
> (eg)
> "Entity.name.Performance" = "Voorstelling";
> 
> Have I overlooked something? Plans in that direction?
> 
> (that was the dutch lesson for today).
> 
> 
> Johan Henselmans
> jo...@netsense.nl
> 
> 
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ERModern* and localization

[Johan Henselmans]

I might say I really like the way ERModernLook…looks. 

One question that remains for me how localization is taken care of:

I added 

# Localization
ERXLanguages = (en,nl)
er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.defaultLanguage=English
er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.useLocalizedFormatters=true
er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.fileNamesToWatch=("Localizable.strings","ValidationTemplate.strings")
er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.availableLanguages=(English,Dutch)
#er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.frameworkSearchPath=(app,ERModernDirectToWeb,ERDirectToWeb,ERExtensions)

er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.English.locale = en
er.extensions.ERXLocalizer.Dutch.locale = nl

to the Properties, and Localizable.strings in Dutch.lproj and English.lproj 
tend to work for the navigation menu items, but I noticed that some of the 
stuff does not localize by default:

For instance, there if I have a queryPageForEntityNamed it still tells "Query 
[Entity Name]", and editPageForNewObjectWithEntityNamed it tell "Create [Entity 
Name]". 

I'd like to be able to replace 
Query with 'Zoek'
and 
Create with "Maak"

for instance. 

I could not find a way to localize these terms nor the entityNames, like Ramsay 
Gurley does in his R2D2W framework and templates, where one can add in 
Localizable.strings

(eg)
"Entity.name.Performance" = "Voorstelling";

Have I overlooked something? Plans in that direction?

(that was the dutch lesson for today).


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Re: Still another D2W question

[Andrew R. Kinnie]

Yep.  Apparently ERCoolComponents has a personal dislike for me.  First, it 
wouldn't install for deployment in the application's bundle despite existing in 
the source and on the binary path, and now despite finally resolving that, it 
appears that it still didn't install the webserver resources in that bundle.

You're not paranoid if someone is actually out to get you, even if the someone 
is a Wonder framework.

On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:56 AM, David LeBer wrote:

> 
> On 2010-10-21, at 8:29 AM, Andrew R. Kinnie wrote:
> 
>> Well, as back to my mac completely refuses to let me log in (apparently I 
>> don't know my own password that I've used forever), I can't say for 
>> certainty.  However, the app runs fine from within eclipse, and does 
>> everything as expected.  We had to do a ridiculous amount of finagling to 
>> get it to properly deploy, and I suspect this may be the result of some left 
>> over issue from that.  Permissions on a framework or something.
>> 
>> However, using Safari to inspect the "Find" button results in these errors:
>> 
>> reset_base_fonts.cssFailed to load resource: the server responded with a 
>> status of 404 (Not Found)
>> ercoolcomponents.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with a 
>> status of 404 (Not Found)
>> ReferenceError: Can't find variable: CCSL
> 
> Well that would be your problem, you should probably fix that.
> 
>> It does appear that it is having problems finding reset_base_fonts.css and 
>> ercoolcomponents.js (I have no idea what CCSL is or if it's relevant.  Maybe 
>> it's in ercoolcomponents.js?)
> 
> Yes.
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[David LeBer]

On 2010-10-21, at 5:16 AM, David Avendasora wrote:

> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just noticed in Apple's latest Java release (Java 6, update 3) that Apple 
>> has deprecated it's JVM. 
>> 
>> That's the bad news.
>> 
>> The GOOD news is that they also included the Apple JVM source code in the 
>> package. So a non-Apple JVM for OS X shouldn't be far behind.
>> 
>> It installs the source here: 
>> /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0_22-b04-307.jdk/Contents/Home/src.jar
> 
> Nevermind. That's _not_ the JVM source.  :-(
> 
>> Let the hysteria begin.
> 
> Ahg! 
> 
> Okay. Maybe I'm not really hysterical. Concerned, though.

Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...

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Re: Still another D2W question

[David LeBer]

On 2010-10-21, at 8:29 AM, Andrew R. Kinnie wrote:

> Well, as back to my mac completely refuses to let me log in (apparently I 
> don't know my own password that I've used forever), I can't say for 
> certainty.  However, the app runs fine from within eclipse, and does 
> everything as expected.  We had to do a ridiculous amount of finagling to get 
> it to properly deploy, and I suspect this may be the result of some left over 
> issue from that.  Permissions on a framework or something.
> 
> However, using Safari to inspect the "Find" button results in these errors:
> 
> reset_base_fonts.cssFailed to load resource: the server responded with a 
> status of 404 (Not Found)
> ercoolcomponents.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with a 
> status of 404 (Not Found)
> ReferenceError: Can't find variable: CCSL

Well that would be your problem, you should probably fix that.

> It does appear that it is having problems finding reset_base_fonts.css and 
> ercoolcomponents.js (I have no idea what CCSL is or if it's relevant.  Maybe 
> it's in ercoolcomponents.js?)

Yes.

> I won't be able to get back to be actually sitting in front of it until after 
> WONoVA tonight.
> 
> the site is http://perfecttourist.com and I have created a test admin user 
> for anyone who wants to see (though there is actual data so I'd rather not 
> send that info on the public list)
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:06 AM, David LeBer wrote:
> 
>> Oops, sorry, forgot to reply to the list.
>> 
>> On 2010-10-21, at 5:24 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Andrew R. Kinnie wrote:
>>> 
 I finally managed to successfully deploy my small app for a comedy club.  
 The app runs, including the D2W admin portion.  However, the admin page 
 seems to do nothing whatsoever on the d2w search components, yet there 
 appears to be nothing added to the logs (unless there is a log I am 
 unaware of, I looked in the general console and the app log).  I can run 
 the same app in my dev environment and the search components are fine.
>>> 
>>> To be clear, what Andrew means by "the page seems to do nothing whatsoever" 
>>> is that the search page shows up, but when you go to click either the 
>>> "clear" or "search" buttons, nothing happens. It appears as though the 
>>> buttons are just graphics with no functionality tied to them.
>> 
>> Are all of the linked in .js files found?
>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
 
 Also, if I create a new object, which contains relationships, the embedded 
 search components for those relationships works fine.  Just not the top 
 level search components.
 
 Any ideas as to what might cause this behavior?
 
 Andrew
>> 
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[MEETING] WO-NoVA Tonight! 10-21-2010

[Andrew R. Kinnie]

Greetings all,

October's WO-NoVA meeting is scheduled for TONIGHT! (Thursday, October 21, 
2010) at 6:30 PM at K12

As previously indicated, Dave A will talk about D2W and navigation, and I might 
talk about defenestration through deployment.  Probably not though.

As always, food will be provided to those nice enough to provide RSVP.  If no 
one RSVPs we'll probably have Morton's Steakhouse cater and have table service 
just to make the point that RSVPing is a good idea.

6:30 PM at K12
2300 Corporate Park Drive
Herndon, VA 20171

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Re: Still another D2W question

[Andrew R. Kinnie]

Well, as back to my mac completely refuses to let me log in (apparently I don't 
know my own password that I've used forever), I can't say for certainty.  
However, the app runs fine from within eclipse, and does everything as 
expected.  We had to do a ridiculous amount of finagling to get it to properly 
deploy, and I suspect this may be the result of some left over issue from that. 
 Permissions on a framework or something.

However, using Safari to inspect the "Find" button results in these errors:

reset_base_fonts.cssFailed to load resource: the server responded with a status 
of 404 (Not Found)
ercoolcomponents.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with a status 
of 404 (Not Found)
ReferenceError: Can't find variable: CCSL

It does appear that it is having problems finding reset_base_fonts.css and 
ercoolcomponents.js (I have no idea what CCSL is or if it's relevant.  Maybe 
it's in ercoolcomponents.js?)

I won't be able to get back to be actually sitting in front of it until after 
WONoVA tonight.

the site is http://perfecttourist.com and I have created a test admin user for 
anyone who wants to see (though there is actual data so I'd rather not send 
that info on the public list)

On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:06 AM, David LeBer wrote:

> Oops, sorry, forgot to reply to the list.
> 
> On 2010-10-21, at 5:24 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Andrew R. Kinnie wrote:
>> 
>>> I finally managed to successfully deploy my small app for a comedy club.  
>>> The app runs, including the D2W admin portion.  However, the admin page 
>>> seems to do nothing whatsoever on the d2w search components, yet there 
>>> appears to be nothing added to the logs (unless there is a log I am unaware 
>>> of, I looked in the general console and the app log).  I can run the same 
>>> app in my dev environment and the search components are fine.
>> 
>> To be clear, what Andrew means by "the page seems to do nothing whatsoever" 
>> is that the search page shows up, but when you go to click either the 
>> "clear" or "search" buttons, nothing happens. It appears as though the 
>> buttons are just graphics with no functionality tied to them.
> 
> Are all of the linked in .js files found?
> 
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, if I create a new object, which contains relationships, the embedded 
>>> search components for those relationships works fine.  Just not the top 
>>> level search components.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas as to what might cause this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
> 
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Re: POJO and D2W / ERDCustomEditComponent subclasses

[Mark Wardle]

Thanks Anjo.  I'll take a look at that.

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On 21 Oct 2010, at 08:46, Anjo Krank  wrote:

> Depending on what you actually want to do, I'd probably rather go with using 
> the JavaMemoryAdaptor for some pojo entity.
>
> Cheers, Anjo
>
> Am 20.10.2010 um 22:15 schrieb Mark Wardle:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just after some quick advice!
>>
>> I've written a fairly complete ajax-based to-one relationship
>> component based upon ERDCustomEditComponent so I can use it in D2W
>> generated pages *and* any conventional hand crafted component.
>>
>> I'm making some more complex wizard like components to streamline some
>> of the steps. I'm storing some interim data within a POJO [although
>> one that provides NSKeyValueCoding so its more like a super-JO] but of
>> course ERDCustomEditComponent makes a cast of the object to an
>> EOEnterpriseObject.
>>
>> Am I better trying to create my own subclass of ERDCustomEditComponent
>> that doesn't reply on an EOEnterpriseObject or should I use the
>> (?still experimental) ERXDummyRecord?
>>
>> All opinion gratefully received.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
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Re: Still another D2W question

[David LeBer]

Oops, sorry, forgot to reply to the list.

On 2010-10-21, at 5:24 AM, David Avendasora wrote:

> 
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Andrew R. Kinnie wrote:
> 
>> I finally managed to successfully deploy my small app for a comedy club.  
>> The app runs, including the D2W admin portion.  However, the admin page 
>> seems to do nothing whatsoever on the d2w search components, yet there 
>> appears to be nothing added to the logs (unless there is a log I am unaware 
>> of, I looked in the general console and the app log).  I can run the same 
>> app in my dev environment and the search components are fine.
> 
> To be clear, what Andrew means by "the page seems to do nothing whatsoever" 
> is that the search page shows up, but when you go to click either the "clear" 
> or "search" buttons, nothing happens. It appears as though the buttons are 
> just graphics with no functionality tied to them.

Are all of the linked in .js files found?

> 
> Dave
> 
>> 
>> Also, if I create a new object, which contains relationships, the embedded 
>> search components for those relationships works fine.  Just not the top 
>> level search components.
>> 
>> Any ideas as to what might cause this behavior?
>> 
>> Andrew

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Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

[Pascal Robert]

I don't think we should panic... Don't forget that Apple also need a JVM to run 
their numerous WO apps. Unless they are going back to WO in Objective-C or Ruby 
On Rails, they will need a JVM too...

> 
> Am 21.10.2010 um 12:36 schrieb David Avendasora:
> 
>> Hi Matthias,
>> 
>> Where did the X11 come from? I don't see that in the emails you are copying 
>> below.
> The native gui support is an apple addition, if there is no apple vm there is 
> no native gui .. right ?
>> 
>> Also, as Rob Ross pointed out below, this ends up making MacOS X the same as 
>> every other OS out there, you will have to download and install a JVM 
>> yourself in future versions of OS X. Where to get a third-party JVM for Mac? 
>> That's another question. Now that Apple isn't providing their own JVM and 
>> they've opened OS X up for others, there should be a third-party, or even a 
>> Sun/Oracle VM soon.
> Oracle, you said Oracle ? Sry David -1 trust in oracle, they do nothing for 
> nothing ..
>> 
>> There's a _lot_ of Java coders out there using Macs. It's a vacuum that 
>> isn't going to last long.
> OK, at this time there is only the buggy OpenJDK from 
> http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ but buggy and -> X11
>> 
>> It does suck that Apple's own JVM is being deprecated, but it's not like 
>> Microsoft has their own JVM either and Java seems to work just fine there.
> It's true 
> http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html
> I know i can download a win version but there is no native version for osx ...
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Matthias Jakob wrote:
>> 
>>> LLLOLOL
>>> 
>>> and Eclipse with X11?
>>> 
>>> At this time if there is no native gui java, macosx is dead for me our 
>>> company our deployment an ALL our customers!
>>> 
>>> so apple: think twice!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PS: WO Guys, Mike whats the hell is this -> X11 ??
>>> __
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>>> 
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>>> Am 21.10.2010 um 12:03 schrieb Shawn Erickson:
>>> 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Rob Ross  wrote:
> It is worse than this. Not only are Java apps not going to be permitted, 
> Apple is actually *removing* Java from future Mac OS versions. So even if 
> you wanted to develop a Java app for the Mac App store, you are 
> prohibited because Java is now deprecated...just in time for the Mac App 
> store announcement.
> 
> That these two announcements happen on the same day is very suspicious, 
> and it is hard not to think they are quite related.
 
 If your product needs Java you are now free to bundle/install a JVM
 with your product (or point customers at it) and the OS will support
 using it. Many folks have been asking for this capability. This is
 like most other operating systems. It is also similar to products that
 use things like Qt, they bundle it with their application.
 
 If you purchased a Mac to do Java development you can continue to use
 it for that by using a 3rd party JVM, etc.
 
 Apple isn't planning to continue their JVM port essentially but they
 aren't preventing others from doing so. It sucks but...
 
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Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

[Matthias Jakob]

Am 21.10.2010 um 12:36 schrieb David Avendasora:

> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Where did the X11 come from? I don't see that in the emails you are copying 
> below.
The native gui support is an apple addition, if there is no apple vm there is 
no native gui .. right ?
> 
> Also, as Rob Ross pointed out below, this ends up making MacOS X the same as 
> every other OS out there, you will have to download and install a JVM 
> yourself in future versions of OS X. Where to get a third-party JVM for Mac? 
> That's another question. Now that Apple isn't providing their own JVM and 
> they've opened OS X up for others, there should be a third-party, or even a 
> Sun/Oracle VM soon.
Oracle, you said Oracle ? Sry David -1 trust in oracle, they do nothing for 
nothing ..
> 
> There's a _lot_ of Java coders out there using Macs. It's a vacuum that isn't 
> going to last long.
OK, at this time there is only the buggy OpenJDK from 
http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ but buggy and -> X11
> 
> It does suck that Apple's own JVM is being deprecated, but it's not like 
> Microsoft has their own JVM either and Java seems to work just fine there.
It's true 
http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html
I know i can download a win version but there is no native version for osx ...
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Matthias Jakob wrote:
> 
>> LLLOLOL
>> 
>> and Eclipse with X11?
>> 
>> At this time if there is no native gui java, macosx is dead for me our 
>> company our deployment an ALL our customers!
>> 
>> so apple: think twice!!
>> 
>> 
>> PS: WO Guys, Mike whats the hell is this -> X11 ??
>> __
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>> 
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>> 99096 Erfurt
>> 
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>> Fax.: +49 361 6534097
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>> 
>> Am 21.10.2010 um 12:03 schrieb Shawn Erickson:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Rob Ross  wrote:
 It is worse than this. Not only are Java apps not going to be permitted, 
 Apple is actually *removing* Java from future Mac OS versions. So even if 
 you wanted to develop a Java app for the Mac App store, you are prohibited 
 because Java is now deprecated...just in time for the Mac App store 
 announcement.
 
 That these two announcements happen on the same day is very suspicious, 
 and it is hard not to think they are quite related.
>>> 
>>> If your product needs Java you are now free to bundle/install a JVM
>>> with your product (or point customers at it) and the OS will support
>>> using it. Many folks have been asking for this capability. This is
>>> like most other operating systems. It is also similar to products that
>>> use things like Qt, they bundle it with their application.
>>> 
>>> If you purchased a Mac to do Java development you can continue to use
>>> it for that by using a 3rd party JVM, etc.
>>> 
>>> Apple isn't planning to continue their JVM port essentially but they
>>> aren't preventing others from doing so. It sucks but...
>>> 
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Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

[Andrus Adamchik]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Simon wrote:

> Oracle will pick up from here and we'll have
> regular updates and access to the latest kit

I wish there was a statement from Oracle to that effect. That would've been 
great news indeed.

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Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

[Simon]

This is great news for java developers on the mac platform. Apples
development of the mac jvm has been dog slow for years. Where is java
7? Where is java 8? Oracle will pick up from here and we'll have
regular updates and access to the latest kit

Simon


On Thursday, October 21, 2010, David Avendasora
 wrote:
> Hi Matthias,
> Where did the X11 come from? I don't see that in the emails you are copying 
> below.
> Also, as Rob Ross pointed out below, this ends up making MacOS X the same as 
> every other OS out there, you will have to download and install a JVM 
> yourself in future versions of OS X. Where to get a third-party JVM for Mac? 
> That's another question. Now that Apple isn't providing their own JVM and 
> they've opened OS X up for others, there should be a third-party, or even a 
> Sun/Oracle VM soon.
> There's a _lot_ of Java coders out there using Macs. It's a vacuum that isn't 
> going to last long.
> It does suck that Apple's own JVM is being deprecated, but it's not like 
> Microsoft has their own JVM either and Java seems to work just fine there.
> Dave
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Matthias Jakob wrote:
> LLLOLOL
> and Eclipse with X11?
> At this time if there is no native gui java, macosx is dead for me our 
> company our deployment an ALL our customers!
> so apple: think twice!!
>
>
> PS: WO Guys, Mike whats the hell is this -> X11 ??
>
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>
> Am 21.10.2010 um 12:03 schrieb Shawn Erickson:
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Rob Ross  wrote:
> It is worse than this. Not only are Java apps not going to be permitted, 
> Apple is actually *removing* Java from future Mac OS versions. So even if you 
> wanted to develop a Java app for the Mac App store, you are prohibited 
> because Java is now deprecated...just in time for the Mac App store 
> announcement.
>
> That these two announcements happen on the same day is very suspicious, and 
> it is hard not to think they are quite related.
>
> If your product needs Java you are now free to bundle/install a JVM
> with your product (or point customers at it) and the OS will support
> using it. Many folks have been asking for this capability. This is
> like most other operating systems. It is also similar to products that
> use things like Qt, they bundle it with their application.
>
> If you purchased a Mac to do Java development you can continue to use
> it for that by using a 3rd party JVM, etc.
>
> Apple isn't planning to continue their JVM port essentially but they
> aren't preventing others from doing so. It sucks but...
>
> -Shawn
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Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

[David Avendasora]

Hi Matthias,

Where did the X11 come from? I don't see that in the emails you are copying 
below.

Also, as Rob Ross pointed out below, this ends up making MacOS X the same as 
every other OS out there, you will have to download and install a JVM yourself 
in future versions of OS X. Where to get a third-party JVM for Mac? That's 
another question. Now that Apple isn't providing their own JVM and they've 
opened OS X up for others, there should be a third-party, or even a Sun/Oracle 
VM soon.

There's a _lot_ of Java coders out there using Macs. It's a vacuum that isn't 
going to last long.

It does suck that Apple's own JVM is being deprecated, but it's not like 
Microsoft has their own JVM either and Java seems to work just fine there.

Dave

On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Matthias Jakob wrote:

> LLLOLOL
> 
> and Eclipse with X11?
> 
> At this time if there is no native gui java, macosx is dead for me our 
> company our deployment an ALL our customers!
> 
> so apple: think twice!!
> 
> 
> PS: WO Guys, Mike whats the hell is this -> X11 ??
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> Am 21.10.2010 um 12:03 schrieb Shawn Erickson:
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Rob Ross  wrote:
>>> It is worse than this. Not only are Java apps not going to be permitted, 
>>> Apple is actually *removing* Java from future Mac OS versions. So even if 
>>> you wanted to develop a Java app for the Mac App store, you are prohibited 
>>> because Java is now deprecated...just in time for the Mac App store 
>>> announcement.
>>> 
>>> That these two announcements happen on the same day is very suspicious, and 
>>> it is hard not to think they are quite related.
>> 
>> If your product needs Java you are now free to bundle/install a JVM
>> with your product (or point customers at it) and the OS will support
>> using it. Many folks have been asking for this capability. This is
>> like most other operating systems. It is also similar to products that
>> use things like Qt, they bundle it with their application.
>> 
>> If you purchased a Mac to do Java development you can continue to use
>> it for that by using a 3rd party JVM, etc.
>> 
>> Apple isn't planning to continue their JVM port essentially but they
>> aren't preventing others from doing so. It sucks but...
>> 
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Re: WebObjects Community ideas on Google Moderator

[ISHIMOTO Ken]

Hi Chuck,


> Do you have an estimate of the number of people and companies in Japan that 
> are currently using WebObjects.  I have met several of the people over the 
> years and had an idea that it was quite a few.

I know 4 Companies that are mostly 90% developing in WO.

Also there are about 50-60 Companies that use WO in-house. I am not allowed to 
say any names or ...

Many Companies are maintenance there app in-house, some Companies also use it 
for new Development too.

Also our Job is to translate Documentation WO / Wonder to japanese and 
teaching, but the big Problem is there is no way yet for multi language 
Javadoc, 
and our Wonder version is really heavy Documented. That makes it also hard to 
give back Frameworks to the Community.

It is no Problem if I make documentation in Japanese & English for me. But if I 
can only use one Language than I have to go my own way and use 
the Language that it is easier to use for me.

Also a new Project on that we are working will be a wonder based app.

I hope it helped a little.

Ken

> 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:29 AM, ISHIMOTO Ken wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pascal,
>> 
>> I know lot of Peoples and Companies in Japan the didnt' answer the Survey.
>> 
>> Most Companies are in-house Developments and the are not allowed to speak.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2010/10/20, at 14:33, Pascal Robert wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, so according to the surveys, the main issues people have with 
>>> WebObjects and Wonder are lack of current documentation and code sample. 
>>> People do love the community, and a lot of you said that the community is 
>>> the #1 reason why they keep using WO. But still, a lot also said that they 
>>> are waiting from Apple about new stuff, but if you look back at the last 3 
>>> years, all new stuff was added to Wonder, even small Apple contributions 
>>> (ERModernLook, ERProfiling, etc.). Wonder IS the future, and we can say 
>>> that we are now community-driven.
>>> 
>>> So to build an even better community, I created a Google Moderator site so 
>>> that we can share our ideas and vote on it :
>>> 
>>> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=352e3
>>> 
>>> Let's put our ideas in there, and let's move the community farther up!
>>> 
>>> In case you didn't know, the 2010 surveys results are in the wiki :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/WOCommunity+2010+Individual+Survey
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/WOCommunity+2010+Organization+Survey+results
>>> 
>>> Don't be afraid of the number of organizations that answered the 2010 
>>> survey. I know at least 4 organizations who are still using WO that didn't 
>>> answer the survey but did answer it last year. I can't force people to 
>>> answer...
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Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

[Matthias Jakob]

LLLOLOL

and Eclipse with X11?

At this time if there is no native gui java, macosx is dead for me our company 
our deployment an ALL our customers!

so apple: think twice!!


PS: WO Guys, Mike whats the hell is this -> X11 ??
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Am 21.10.2010 um 12:03 schrieb Shawn Erickson:

> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Rob Ross  wrote:
>> It is worse than this. Not only are Java apps not going to be permitted, 
>> Apple is actually *removing* Java from future Mac OS versions. So even if 
>> you wanted to develop a Java app for the Mac App store, you are prohibited 
>> because Java is now deprecated...just in time for the Mac App store 
>> announcement.
>> 
>> That these two announcements happen on the same day is very suspicious, and 
>> it is hard not to think they are quite related.
> 
> If your product needs Java you are now free to bundle/install a JVM
> with your product (or point customers at it) and the OS will support
> using it. Many folks have been asking for this capability. This is
> like most other operating systems. It is also similar to products that
> use things like Qt, they bundle it with their application.
> 
> If you purchased a Mac to do Java development you can continue to use
> it for that by using a 3rd party JVM, etc.
> 
> Apple isn't planning to continue their JVM port essentially but they
> aren't preventing others from doing so. It sucks but...
> 
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Re: Still another D2W question

[David Avendasora]

On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Andrew R. Kinnie wrote:

> I finally managed to successfully deploy my small app for a comedy club.  The 
> app runs, including the D2W admin portion.  However, the admin page seems to 
> do nothing whatsoever on the d2w search components, yet there appears to be 
> nothing added to the logs (unless there is a log I am unaware of, I looked in 
> the general console and the app log).  I can run the same app in my dev 
> environment and the search components are fine.

To be clear, what Andrew means by "the page seems to do nothing whatsoever" is 
that the search page shows up, but when you go to click either the "clear" or 
"search" buttons, nothing happens. It appears as though the buttons are just 
graphics with no functionality tied to them.

Dave

> 
> Also, if I create a new object, which contains relationships, the embedded 
> search components for those relationships works fine.  Just not the top level 
> search components.
> 
> Any ideas as to what might cause this behavior?
> 
> Andrew
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Re: WebObjects Community ideas on Google Moderator

[Brook, James]

Sorry, we didn't get around to answering. I was on holiday for a couple of 
weeks.

UPC has a team of 5 WebObjects developers in the Netherlands. We have been 
using WO extensively for over 10 years. Now we are using 5.4 with Wonder, 
developing on Macs and deploying with Solaris and Oracle. We have recently 
started using ERRest for an important back-end API that will power an exciting 
project to be launched before the end of the year. We have no plans to stop 
using WO.

We should try to be more involved in the community. Thanks for all the hard 
work!

--
James

On 20 Oct 2010, at 14:33, Pascal Robert wrote:

> Ok, so according to the surveys, the main issues people have with WebObjects 
> and Wonder are lack of current documentation and code sample. People do love 
> the community, and a lot of you said that the community is the #1 reason why 
> they keep using WO. But still, a lot also said that they are waiting from 
> Apple about new stuff, but if you look back at the last 3 years, all new 
> stuff was added to Wonder, even small Apple contributions (ERModernLook, 
> ERProfiling, etc.). Wonder IS the future, and we can say that we are now 
> community-driven.
> 
> So to build an even better community, I created a Google Moderator site so 
> that we can share our ideas and vote on it :
> 
>   http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=352e3
> 
> Let's put our ideas in there, and let's move the community farther up!
> 
> In case you didn't know, the 2010 surveys results are in the wiki :
> 
>   
> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/WOCommunity+2010+Individual+Survey
> 
>   
> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/WOCommunity+2010+Organization+Survey+results
> 
> Don't be afraid of the number of organizations that answered the 2010 survey. 
> I know at least 4 organizations who are still using WO that didn't answer the 
> survey but did answer it last year. I can't force people to answer...
> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[David Avendasora]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I just noticed in Apple's latest Java release (Java 6, update 3) that Apple 
> has deprecated it's JVM. 
> 
> That's the bad news.
> 
> The GOOD news is that they also included the Apple JVM source code in the 
> package. So a non-Apple JVM for OS X shouldn't be far behind.
> 
> It installs the source here: 
> /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0_22-b04-307.jdk/Contents/Home/src.jar

Nevermind. That's _not_ the JVM source.  :-(

> Let the hysteria begin.

Ahg! 

Okay. Maybe I'm not really hysterical. Concerned, though.

Dave


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Re: ERMD2WEditAttachment in Edit page only works once.

[Johan Henselmans]

On 20 okt 2010, at 18:35, David Holt wrote:

> Hi Johan!
> 
> On 2010-10-20, at 7:27 AM, Johan Henselmans wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I tried to find out why this happens and it seems that 
>> ERFileAttachmentProcessor.java does not get a configurationName passed on. 
>> 
>> Which leads to the following questions:
>> 
>> Is it possible to have two uploadblobs in one form with ERMD2WEditAttachment?
> 
> It should be. You need two different configuration names as you've done.
> 
>> Why can't I set the properties of two separate ERAttachments in the 
>> Properties file?
> 
> I don't believe the properties are where your problem lies. If you remember 
> from the screencast, you need to set three bindings on an upload - 
> configurationName, editingContext, and attachment. If you have multiple 
> uploaders on a pageConfiguration, then it seems that you'll need to use the 
> rules to tell the component the bindings.
> 
> 100 : (task = 'edit' and entity.name = 'Document' and propertyKey = 
> 'attachedFile') => attachmentConfigurationName = "Document.attachedFile" 
> [com.webobjects.directtoweb.Assignment]
> 
> David
> 

OK, I added  the rules
properyKey= picturebig -> attachmentConfigurationName = ShowInfo.picturebig,
and 
properyKey= picturesmall -> attachmentConfigurationName = ShowInfo.picturesmall

to the previous rules:
properyKey= picturebig -> componentName = ERMD2WEditAttachment,
properyKey= picturesmall -> componentName = ERMD2WEditAttachment,


uploading the first item (picturebig) worked, apart from the following error:
There is no element on this page with the id "AFUIC_0".

The second ERMD2WEditAttachment still came with the error: 
There is no 'er.attachment.null.file.filesystemPath' or 
'er.attachment.file.filesystemPath' property set.

after adding the rules:
properyKey= picturesmall -> attachmentId = ShowInfo.picturesmall,
properyKey= picturebig -> attachmentId = ShowInfo.picturebig,

I did not get any errors uploading pictures to the form for the first time, but 
clicking on the edit button in the ERMD2WEditAttachment, I could select a 
picture for the bottom component (picturesmall), but for the component above 
it, I did not get a filebrowser window, the original picture disappeared, but 
saving the complete entity and opening it again did show the old picture in the 
first ERMD2WEditAttachment. 

Is there anything else I have to set?

I assume I do not have to set the editing Context for D2W?




> 
>> 
>> 
>> Johan Henselmans
>> jo...@netsense.nl
>> 
>> 
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OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[David Avendasora]

Hi all,

I just noticed in Apple's latest Java release (Java 6, update 3) that Apple has 
deprecated it's JVM. 

That's the bad news.

The GOOD news is that they also included the Apple JVM source code in the 
package. So a non-Apple JVM for OS X shouldn't be far behind.

It installs the source here: 
/Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0_22-b04-307.jdk/Contents/Home/src.jar

Let the hysteria begin.

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Re: POJO and D2W / ERDCustomEditComponent subclasses

[Anjo Krank]

Depending on what you actually want to do, I'd probably rather go with using 
the JavaMemoryAdaptor for some pojo entity.

Cheers, Anjo

Am 20.10.2010 um 22:15 schrieb Mark Wardle:

> Hi all,
> 
> Just after some quick advice!
> 
> I've written a fairly complete ajax-based to-one relationship
> component based upon ERDCustomEditComponent so I can use it in D2W
> generated pages *and* any conventional hand crafted component.
> 
> I'm making some more complex wizard like components to streamline some
> of the steps. I'm storing some interim data within a POJO [although
> one that provides NSKeyValueCoding so its more like a super-JO] but of
> course ERDCustomEditComponent makes a cast of the object to an
> EOEnterpriseObject.
> 
> Am I better trying to create my own subclass of ERDCustomEditComponent
> that doesn't reply on an EOEnterpriseObject or should I use the
> (?still experimental) ERXDummyRecord?
> 
> All opinion gratefully received.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Mark
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