[Wikimediaau-l] Bounties Proposal
Hi all, Following some discussion on the members' list, and other chats I've had with people recently, I thought I'd signal my intent to try and work on a couple of proposal ideas. For those following current proposals carefully, I have one 'on the table' concerning 'Personal Wiki Tools' - I'm reaching out to some developer types about this one, and hope to have progress and a timescale by the end of April. Whilst I'm waiting, I thought moving these ideas forward might be helpful too; Proposal 1) - To begin the establishment of a 'Bounty Board' - wherby funds can be offered by Wikimedia Australia in return for specific achievements. This came partly out of this previous idea; http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaau-l/2011-February/003101.html - relating to development of OpenDocument support - my idea is really just to attempt to codify how we approach bounties in general, and perhaps establish criteria for how we assess whether or not we wish to offer a bounty in a particular area. Hopefully some of the people with ideas / questions about our processes (see some previous threads on the members' list) might have time and energy to get involved to create a workable framework both for the OpenDocument bounties, and bounties in other areas. which leads me nicely on to Proposal 2); Prop. 2) - To offer some specific bounties in the area of sound and video recording, with a particular focus on alignment with standard, popular assessment criteria. Basically, should Prop. 1 above progress, I'd like to offer some bounties to produce sound / video recordings of appropriate copyleft material contained within the AMEB syllabus' (syllabi?) - following a close examination of copyright status' etc., and ideally in partnership with appropriately credentialed individuals and organisations, bounties could be offered, for example, for a reasonable quality sound recording of Scales and Arpeggios on various instruments - youtube currently has lots of examples of this ( http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ameb ) but freely licensed examples would have both value to the existing wmf projects, as well as great utility for reuse as works of free culture. There's plenty more detail to put on the bone, but this is in particular a call to anyone who might be interested in working in a wiki space on developing these ideas - if you're willing to 'second' then we can open a page on the official wiki and get going :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] A Proposal
Coolio :-) I'm not following your advice only for this final message in the thread, to keep everything in one place :-) I'll copy my ideas over the the official wiki, and already have quite a lot of further information from helpful wiki types around the globe - thanks for your support, Craig, and hopefully see you on the wiki cheers, Peter, PM. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Since this meets all the other prerequisites, I'm happy to endorse this as a member of the committee to go to the official proposal stage. I would ask that you direct future correspondence on the matter to the wmau:members list though, if only so that we don't bother those on this list who are not members of, nor have any interest in the activities of the chapter. Cheers, Craig Franklin Treasurer - Wikimedia Australia -Original Message- From: private musings [mailto:thepmacco...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2010 12:22 PM To: Wikimedia-au Cc: cfrank...@halonetwork.net Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] A Proposal Thanks Laura, I gather I now need to get the nod of a committee member in order to start building the information on the official wiki - I've copied Craig (our treasurer) in on this, because we've had a mini correspondence about this proposal, and hopefully he'll be able to give the nod, and we can get going :-) Obviously the approval of any other committee member would be most welcome at any time also. cheers, Peter, PM. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: I second this. Sincerely, Laura Hale Hi all, I am interested in working on a proposal for WMAU to sponsor the creation of a 'PersonalWiki' or 'GroupWiki' tool, which I think could have some interesting and useful applications. The basic idea is for the tool to be a simple and straightforward way of creating 'fenced wiki environments' - a collection of content which can then be worked on / played with / investigated / read by a micro community of whomever the curator chooses. I hope there are tons of exciting possibilities, and have detailed a bit more here; http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Journal:A_Wikimedia_Australia_proposal Please do get involved, or just ask questions, if you'd like to - and in particular, if you'd like to be involved as a WMAU member in getting this proposal going, it would be greatly appreciated - per our rules (below) we need two firmly committed members as a first step :-) http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_process best, Peter, PM. -- mobile: 0412183663 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] A Proposal
Thanks Laura, I gather I now need to get the nod of a committee member in order to start building the information on the official wiki - I've copied Craig (our treasurer) in on this, because we've had a mini correspondence about this proposal, and hopefully he'll be able to give the nod, and we can get going :-) Obviously the approval of any other committee member would be most welcome at any time also. cheers, Peter, PM. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: I second this. Sincerely, Laura Hale Hi all, I am interested in working on a proposal for WMAU to sponsor the creation of a 'PersonalWiki' or 'GroupWiki' tool, which I think could have some interesting and useful applications. The basic idea is for the tool to be a simple and straightforward way of creating 'fenced wiki environments' - a collection of content which can then be worked on / played with / investigated / read by a micro community of whomever the curator chooses. I hope there are tons of exciting possibilities, and have detailed a bit more here; http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Journal:A_Wikimedia_Australia_proposal Please do get involved, or just ask questions, if you'd like to - and in particular, if you'd like to be involved as a WMAU member in getting this proposal going, it would be greatly appreciated - per our rules (below) we need two firmly committed members as a first step :-) http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_process best, Peter, PM. -- mobile: 0412183663 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] A Proposal
Hi all, I am interested in working on a proposal for WMAU to sponsor the creation of a 'PersonalWiki' or 'GroupWiki' tool, which I think could have some interesting and useful applications. The basic idea is for the tool to be a simple and straightforward way of creating 'fenced wiki environments' - a collection of content which can then be worked on / played with / investigated / read by a micro community of whomever the curator chooses. I hope there are tons of exciting possibilities, and have detailed a bit more here; http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Journal:A_Wikimedia_Australia_proposal Please do get involved, or just ask questions, if you'd like to - and in particular, if you'd like to be involved as a WMAU member in getting this proposal going, it would be greatly appreciated - per our rules (below) we need two firmly committed members as a first step :-) http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_process best, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] open wiki editing for WMAU?
Hi Michelle, We could certainly try that as a matter of policy - as in, simply communicating that rule clearly to all comers - I'd happily be prepared to do some of the legwork in explaining how that works to would be editors. Probably it would work better in tandem with continuing the restriction on editing to registered accounts - and only registering accounts upon application - what do you think of those restrictions? cheers, Peter, PM. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Michelle Gallaway mgalla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not exactly sure how a lot of these things work, but would it be possible to allow open editing in only the talk namespaces, but not anywhere else? That way the members could have their private space, and the peanut gallery is kept from interfering but can still participate to a limited degree. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Adam Jenkins adam.jenk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter! It's been raised, and I think it is still generally seen as a really good idea. However, at the moment we've been focused on some priorities related to privacy policies and PayPal, so we haven't been focused on this topic yet. I'll see if I can add it to the agenda for the next meeting, at least for discussion, and I'll report back. :) Adam. On 3 December 2010 09:53, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I was just wondering if anything happened on this front? - It'd be great to somehow open some aspects of WMAU up - ideally as soon as possible! - are the committee discussing things further? (if so, please just consider doing something - or at least discussing openly :-) - pretty much any model which opens things in any way would be a step forward in my view, and I think encouraging and facilitating greater engagement (which a more open wiki would help, in my view) is very important, cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] open wiki editing for WMAU?
Hi all, I was just wondering if anything happened on this front? - It'd be great to somehow open some aspects of WMAU up - ideally as soon as possible! - are the committee discussing things further? (if so, please just consider doing something - or at least discussing openly :-) - pretty much any model which opens things in any way would be a step forward in my view, and I think encouraging and facilitating greater engagement (which a more open wiki would help, in my view) is very important, cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Donation statistics now live
Hi all, By way of a mini fundraising update, per http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics - it would seem likely that by now (these stat.s go to the 25th only) we've over the $200K mark, which means an incredibly healthy $100K+ balance for WMAU - at this rate we could well be looking at a $250K+ balance, and we should probably begin serious discussions about where to get the best advice on investment / interest baring accounts etc. to manage those numbers professionally and responsibly. I'm sure the committee will be looking at this sort of thing, and once again, the more discussion / updates that you (the committee, or treasurer etc.) feel you can share with the membership, the better :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] open wiki editing for WMAU?
oops, my apologies for not having followed the process I'll do my best to read up on how to follow it properly, and then give it another go. The page basically just suggested that WMAU should allow registration, and therefore editing, by anyone so minded - part of my rationale is that we have a bit of a problem with engagement and participation - hence asking for folk currently disengaged, and non-participative to pipe up mightn't be the only way forward ;-) The bottom line is essentially one of principle, and our current (apparent) position does continue to surprise (and yeah - amuse a wee bit) - meanwhile, as I said, I'll redo my homework on how to do a proposal and avoid page deletion. cheers, Peter, PM. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:43 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry folks. That page has been deleted. Wikimedia Australia has been working on a process for proposals, and this proposal did not follow the process. The committee has talked a lot about allowing non-members to edit the wiki, and I would love a good proposal, but the one that privatemusings put up was an empty proposal. Non members can explain here why they want to be able to edit our wiki; we are listening. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've written a proposal on the official wiki to allow registration, and hence editing, by non-members. It's here; http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Open_WMAU_Wiki_editing I (obviously!) support such a move, and feel it would bring considerable benefits to us as an organisation. There are various models out there (some approaching 10 years old) which demonstrate the success in principle of an open editing model, and I hope you might agree that we should give it a go :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] open wiki editing for WMAU?
ps. I think one of the key aspects to the proposals process that I bungled on is that an idea should have the support of at least 2 members before being formally raised on the wiki could I ask if any member out there is minded to support the notion? Hope so! cheers, Peter, PM. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:05 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: oops, my apologies for not having followed the process I'll do my best to read up on how to follow it properly, and then give it another go. The page basically just suggested that WMAU should allow registration, and therefore editing, by anyone so minded - part of my rationale is that we have a bit of a problem with engagement and participation - hence asking for folk currently disengaged, and non-participative to pipe up mightn't be the only way forward ;-) The bottom line is essentially one of principle, and our current (apparent) position does continue to surprise (and yeah - amuse a wee bit) - meanwhile, as I said, I'll redo my homework on how to do a proposal and avoid page deletion. cheers, Peter, PM. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:43 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry folks. That page has been deleted. Wikimedia Australia has been working on a process for proposals, and this proposal did not follow the process. The committee has talked a lot about allowing non-members to edit the wiki, and I would love a good proposal, but the one that privatemusings put up was an empty proposal. Non members can explain here why they want to be able to edit our wiki; we are listening. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've written a proposal on the official wiki to allow registration, and hence editing, by non-members. It's here; http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Open_WMAU_Wiki_editing I (obviously!) support such a move, and feel it would bring considerable benefits to us as an organisation. There are various models out there (some approaching 10 years old) which demonstrate the success in principle of an open editing model, and I hope you might agree that we should give it a go :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] RecentChangesCamp 2011, Canberra
G'day all, I thought this was of interest to AU wiki types, so hope Laura is ok with me forwarding it :-) It'd be great to get a WMAU contingent down / up / across there. cheers, Peter, PM. -- Forwarded message -- From: Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com Date: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:57 AM Subject: [Wiki-research-l] RecentChangesCamp 2011, Canberra To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org We're hosting a three day RecentChangesCamp in January 2011 in Canberra. Details are available at http://recentchangescamp.org/wiki/Canberra . We'd love to see wiki researchers attend, to lend that perspective to the discussions that will take place. January 28-30, 2011 University of Canberra, Bruce, ACT, Australia Want to join? Just add your name to the list of attendees! We'll convene at the location on Friday and wrap up on Sunday. Check back for the Agenda. There is no cost to participate other than transportation. We may even be able to help you find lodging. What is Recent Changes Camp, anyway? Recent Changes Camp was born from the intersection of wiki and Open Space. Since 2006, participants from all over North America and the globe have gathered together for a common purpose: discussing the past, present, and future of the technology and collaborative method that is wiki. RCC is a chance for everyone in the wiki community, something we like to call Wiki Ohana, to meet and have a fun, productive conversation about our passion for wikis of all stripes. Going far beyond technology, we're interested in wiki culture and other networks/groups/etc. that share many of the values implicit in it — from cultural creatives, to public participation and free culture advocates. If you use a wiki or you value open collaboration, Recent Changes Camp is created for you. RCC is about openness and inclusion, collaboration and community, creativity and flow. Further down this page you can check out a sampling of sessions we've enjoyed in the past, along with pictures and videos from previous events. This unconference/BarCamp has been held at least once every year since 2006 (and twice in 2007). Unlike a conventional conference, where everything's pre-planned and structured, RecentChangesCamp is a gathering where we decide for ourselves what we're going to get out of it by offering sessions each morning on whatever we want (and of course ad hoc sessions can form at any time). There's no agenda until we make it up! Now, that might sound a bit chaotic if you've never been to this type of gathering, but be prepared to be surprised at how much people can learn and create when they collaborate spontaneously. With an emergent agenda, it can be hard to describe specifically what you will get from participating in Recent Changes Camp. In large part, that is up to you to be responsible for. Participants often say greater sense of wiki community, broader sense of wiki way and wiki tools, or more excitement about our future together as well as inspiration and discovery. At Recent Changes Camp, everybody is welcomed. You don't need to be an expert on anything, and you certainly don't need to consider yourself a geek. Collaboration thrives on diversity! All you need to bring is an open mind, and a willingness to participate, whether by teaching or by taking an active role in discussions. And, don't forget, an unconference is what we make it, so let's make it enlightening and fun. Sincerely, Laura Hale ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Follow up my update request :-)
Hi all, I tried to get in touch with you a while ago, but it occurs to me that perhaps my attempted forward of the below didn't really work, because I forwarded a reply, not an actual message - if my post seemed confusing, please accept my apologies. I'm growing increasingly concerned with the way the AGM is being prepared, and though there may be nothing to worry about, I would greatly appreciate a response to my questions below, to which I'd only add a polite inquiry as to why and how the decision was taken to move to a postal vote this year ( http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=2010-2011_AGMcurid=535diff=2813oldid=2805 ) - seems a little odd to me, strange that it shouldn't have been announced perhaps a little wider, and fwiw, I haven't received any post of any kind from WMAU to date - should I have? * Membership Renewals - I may well have missed something, but did a formal renewal notice go out? How are renewals looking this year? (I know I haven't stumped up yet!) - as a member I feel a little under-engaged to be honest, and would like to see a wee bit more proactivity from whomever is taking care of this stuff (knowing who's accepted what responsibility would be great, for example - and apologies if I've missed the obvious!) * Committee Nominations - could the sec. confirm whether or not there have been any properly submitted nominations to date - the AGM is around the corner, and I think the process of discussion / Q + A etc. is probably healthy to kick off at this point? * An Open Wiki - please please please open up the WMAU wiki to allow registrations and editing by non members - I'll happily make the case for this, but please just do it! cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Update ahead of AGM
Hi all, Following my request for a mini-update, I'm happy to be able to offer one myself, having just noticed the recent changes on the official wiki :-) ( http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Special:RecentChanges in case you didn't know) Our most excellent treasurer has posted a financial report here; http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/2010-2011_AGM/Financial_Report which contains much detail about the shape we're in in that regard - the tl;dr version from my perspective is; Good news (great news, actually!); 'Finally I report that we have now obtained approval to fund raise in all States and Territories where this is required, so we are well prepared to take part in the annual WMF fund raising drive at the end of this year' Bad news; 'Membership is down after the first flush when we were incorporated' On the Sydney front, we had a meetup last Thursday night, attended by several long term wiki types - few of whom were aware of exactly what the chapter was / is / does! - Some nice food, good beer, and wide ranging conversation - amongst many other things; - Werdna was surprised to hear that liquid threads, on which he is the lead developer, may be introduced to 'commons' soon(ish) - see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Experimentally_enable_LiquidThreads_on_some_test_pagesfor details, if you haven't already, Werd ;-) - Ian ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ian_Rose ) chatted about the effectiveness of the Military History project, and whether or not its successes might be scalable or replicable - 99of9 (or 'Toby' over a beer) - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:99of9 - discussed whether or not wikimedia is a social movement, and what kind of movement wiki would be if it was (see Sue Gardner, boss of WMF, for context here; http://suegardner.org/2010/08/02/how-to-help-wikipedia-and-how-to-hurt-it/) - Mike showed off his camera, and discussed the very important area of the wiki that is Category:Tenterfield Post Office ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tenterfield_Post_Office ) - I was just annoyed that he's clearly a far superior photographer! - Ariconte chatted Mil Hist with Ian briefly before making a stylish exit to go and watch some people pretend to be other people ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August:_Osage_County I think) - Liam's name got taken in vain a little ahead of his upcoming anglicisation - I mainly thought of the childre, and tried to remember how strong those Belgians brew their beer ;-) Next meetup seems likely to be October, and probably in the Inner West - unless there's interest in a Sydney AGM meetup? Any Sydney members (or slightly futher afield folk interested in making a trip?) up for physical attendance at an AGM meetup? - I'm happy to join / help with an effort to find us somewhere appropriate, and an idea of numbers would be useful - please reply on this list if you're interested and available :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Update request :-)
no beer for you! 1 year! (I've the correct answer from several folk offlist, but it's not 28 days later.) aside from all the sydney silliness / meetup prep. the main focus of my previous post was intended to be the other chapter stuff - it'd be great to have an update we can talk over on thurs. evening :-) cheers, Peter, PM the 'other chapter stuff' I mention above; * Fundraising this year - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010 - I strongly support WMAU involvement in the fundraiser this year - but am unsure as to who may be involved in what might be quite an effort to ensure that we participate. Could I at least confirm that this is seen as a high priority, and an update as to whether or not there's anything members can do to help get WMAU on board would be great :-) * Membership Renewals - I may well have missed something, but did a formal renewal notice go out? How are renewals looking this year? (I know I haven't stumped up yet!) - as a member I feel a little under-engaged to be honest, and would like to see a wee bit more proactivity from whomever is taking care of this stuff (knowing who's accepted what responsibility would be great, for example - and apologies if I've missed the obvious!) * Committee Nominations - could the sec. confirm whether or not there have been any properly submitted nominations to date - the AGM is around the corner, and I think the process of discussion / Q + A etc. is probably healthy to kick off at this point? * An Open Wiki - please please please open up the WMAU wiki to allow registrations and editing by non members - I'll happily make the case for this, but please just do it! On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: My name is Privatemusings. I am a survivor living in Sydney. I am broadcasting on all WMAU frequencies. I will be at the Meetup on thursday, when the sun is just about down. If you are out there... if anyone is out there... I can provide food, I can provide shelter, I can provide security. If there's anybody out there... anybody... please. You are not alone. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney#Thurs_26th.2C_6pm_til_late_at_Belgian_Beer_Cafe.2C_the_Rocks (first beer free for first to identify the above quote too..) and any response to any of the below would be great :-) I'll be along (and it's from 28 days later). -- Andrew Garrett http://werdn.us/ ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Update request :-)
Hi all, Could I request an update from anyone involved in the following :-) * Fundraising this year - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010 - I strongly support WMAU involvement in the fundraiser this year - but am unsure as to who may be involved in what might be quite an effort to ensure that we participate. Could I at least confirm that this is seen as a high priority, and an update as to whether or not there's anything members can do to help get WMAU on board would be great :-) * Membership Renewals - I may well have missed something, but did a formal renewal notice go out? How are renewals looking this year? (I know I haven't stumped up yet!) - as a member I feel a little under-engaged to be honest, and would like to see a wee bit more proactivity from whomever is taking care of this stuff (knowing who's accepted what responsibility would be great, for example - and apologies if I've missed the obvious!) * Committee Nominations - could the sec. confirm whether or not there have been any properly submitted nominations to date - the AGM is around the corner, and I think the process of discussion / Q + A etc. is probably healthy to kick off at this point? * An Open Wiki - please please please open up the WMAU wiki to allow registrations and editing by non members - I'll happily make the case for this, but please just do it! cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Any wikimaniacs?
G'day all, I'm curious as to which brave Chapter folk have made the trip up North and will be attending Wikimania? - It'd be cool to have a bit of an australian perspective update somewhere on the official wiki - I'm only really aware that Liam will be there - any others? Also - I had a (very) brief IRC chat with a fellow chapter chap this arvo, and couldn't recall if / when dues might be um... due again - do we owe WMAU money? - It's quite possible that I've just completely missed any email or notification or something, so apologies if so, I thought it was worth confirming :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] education projects and suitability of wmf projects in schools
I'm pretty involved in discussions in this area in various contexts, and I support a tool which allows end-users to filter content, but I don't see it on the horizon anywhere - are you aware of such tools nearing readiness? (do you, Liam, support such a tool by the way - I'm not 100% clear on that :-) I think it's important for all (especially the serving committee of course!) to consider whether or not they feel that use of Wikipedia (and all WMF projects) is appropraite in schools without such a filter, because currently 'we' (WMAU) seem to be interested in advocating such use - I think we should tread carefully. I do have some ideas for how WMAU could lead the way in developing some tools which allow schools, and other organisations, to engage with Wikipedia, and other WMF projects safely - p'raps I should write something up in terms of a small grant proposal, or something? (folk who've been bored by me chatting away at previous Sydney meetups may recall some of these ideas). Finally, on a more concerning note, it alarmed me greatly to learn that commons hosts material which is actually likely to be illegal here in Australia (media featuring people who appear to be underage, and media which features drawings of children in sexual situations) - does anyone currently involved in WMAU have any access to some professional advice which we could use to at least support the creation of a warning template for such material? cheers, Peter, PM. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: When you start quoting Sanger's recent spray against Wikipedia to back up your argument then you know you've got larger problems Seriously - whilst I think it's an important issue that Wikipedia needs to be aware of how children could be affected by seeing adult material on Wikipedia (and how that might result in lesser access to Wikipedia in schools - which would harm our mission of providing educational materials) - surely you've realised that the way you go about peddling this issue, forum shopping, is not helping your cause. There was a lengthy, heated, and ultimately instructive debate recently (as a result of that Sanger spray) about how Wikipedia could provide tools to end-users for filtering the content they receive from Wikipedia that didn't undermine our principles of not censoring etc. Why not get involved in that existing conversation rather than trying to make this an Australian-specific issue? -Liam wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata On 17 June 2010 03:47, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: G'day all, I wonder if we might find a good spot to have a discussion, as a chapter, about some of the issues relating to the explicit content hosted on Wikimedia Foundation projects (notably commons) and how it impacts education outreach in general. Maybe some principles are easier to distill on a chapter level? - it'd be nice to think so :-) The English Wikipedia co-founder, Larry Sanger, recently wrote; ''It is wrong for Wikipedia, both the community and the foundation, to portray its avowedly uncensored--read, absurdly child-unfriendly--resource as appropriate for children. This will remain the case until some sort of reliable filtering mechanism is available. At present, none is.'' http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Content_noticeboarddiff=prevoldid=367443733 I tend to agree, and in particular I feel that the use of WMF projects within schools is inappropriate, and long term opens us up to significant harm in reputation, with consequent knock on effects on utility (ie. when external organisations engage with the nature and scale of such images, I believe it's generally pretty shocking and upsetting - and they may conclude that WMF is, overall, irresponsible in this area). I think it's fair to say that engaging in 'outreach' work, in the manner the chapter supports, and facilitates, probably comes with responsibility - perhaps I can kick off some useful discussions with this question; Do you believe children should have access to wikipedia at school? If so, do you believe any sort of supervision or protection is appropriate or necessary? Maybe the official wiki would also be a good place to discuss this - although a note I dropped in recently, really as a reminder to myself, has been removed by Andrew as nothing to do with education projects - perhaps we'll find a better spot? ( http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Talk:Education_projectsdiff=2471oldid=2459) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list
[Wikimediaau-l] education projects and suitability of wmf projects in schools
G'day all, I wonder if we might find a good spot to have a discussion, as a chapter, about some of the issues relating to the explicit content hosted on Wikimedia Foundation projects (notably commons) and how it impacts education outreach in general. Maybe some principles are easier to distill on a chapter level? - it'd be nice to think so :-) The English Wikipedia co-founder, Larry Sanger, recently wrote; ''It is wrong for Wikipedia, both the community and the foundation, to portray its avowedly uncensored--read, absurdly child-unfriendly--resource as appropriate for children. This will remain the case until some sort of reliable filtering mechanism is available. At present, none is.'' http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Content_noticeboarddiff=prevoldid=367443733 I tend to agree, and in particular I feel that the use of WMF projects within schools is inappropriate, and long term opens us up to significant harm in reputation, with consequent knock on effects on utility (ie. when external organisations engage with the nature and scale of such images, I believe it's generally pretty shocking and upsetting - and they may conclude that WMF is, overall, irresponsible in this area). I think it's fair to say that engaging in 'outreach' work, in the manner the chapter supports, and facilitates, probably comes with responsibility - perhaps I can kick off some useful discussions with this question; Do you believe children should have access to wikipedia at school? If so, do you believe any sort of supervision or protection is appropriate or necessary? Maybe the official wiki would also be a good place to discuss this - although a note I dropped in recently, really as a reminder to myself, has been removed by Andrew as nothing to do with education projects - perhaps we'll find a better spot? ( http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Talk:Education_projectsdiff=2471oldid=2459) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] ping on the wiki mainpage loading issues
G'day all, per the below, and here; http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Australia#web_page_speed_times I thought I'd just try a gentle 'ping' to the mailing list to see if these sorts of loading times are normal, or as I suspect, a bit below par - thanks to all for the various technical works undertaken to date, and hopefully we can find what's causing the rather slow loading of our mainpage without too much hassle :-) (there's beer and pizza in it for anyone clever who can fix it up, if they're in Sydney ;-) cheers, Peter, PM. 1. -- Served in 22.373 secs. -- - once again the site seems fast when not logged in (though the 'served in' time was 30secs+), then slows to a crawl when you log in. This is getting a bit embarrassing - just had (another) 'gosh that's slow' type comment - not a great look. Privatemusings 13:03, 25 February 2010 (EST) 2. -- Served in 21.549 secs. -- - still slow t'would seem :-( Privatemusings 15:48, 1 March 2010 (EST) 3. -- Served in 21.832 secs. -- - still seems to take an age for me - I'll try to remember to poke werdna :-) Privatemusings 11:09, 25 March 2010 (EST) 4. -- Served in 21.172 secs. -- - haven't poked anyone, but the frontpage particularly is still very slow. Privatemusings 13:11, 21 April 2010 (EST) 5. -- Served in 21.650 secs. -- - still slow - will try and raise the matter again :-) Privatemusings 13:35, 30 April 2010 (EST) 6. -- Served in 22.751 secs. -- - still slow. Heading to the mailing list :-) Privatemusings 14:36, 29 May 2010 (EST) ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Committee changes
Thanks heaps for all your hard work over the years, Brianna :-) - I get the occassional glimpse of your influence all over the place, and I think it's fair to say that you've worked incredibly hard both behind the scenes, and as the founding president of WMAU - it's a great shame to lose you as pres. but I hope you won't be a stranger? ;-) There's a round or two for you in Sydney, I'm sure, when you next get the chance to pop up, and are feeling a bit wiki... cheers, Peter, PM. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: Dear Brianna, on the one hand it is sad to hear that you resign, but on the other hand I am happy to meet you as every year again at Wikimania and I really wish you a good time and successful moving onwards in Brianna land. You have done a great job founding WMAU, networking between the chapters and on Commons. I hope your future will be close to Wikimedia and the chapters, no matter what official role you choose to play. Have good time, thanks, hugs and regards, Manuel -- Regards Manuel Schneider Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] grants application this year?
G'day all, does the chapter have any grants proposals heading in this year? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index Do we have any structure for creating / supporting a chapter grant like this? I have a few ideas and opportunities - for wiki use in education, hopefully in partnership with nsw dep. of ed. - if I write something up in the next week or so, I suppose we could discuss it on our wiki, and forward it to the grants page linked above for consideration if appropriate? I think it's important for a functioning healthy chapter to try to engage with processes like this, so if you too have any ideas or opportunities, please do pipe up, and let's work on them on the wiki, and get them going :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] FW: [CCi] Wikimania 2010 CfP
whilst we're on the wikimania subject - can we get a quick show of hands for who's going? /me can't take the time off to head to europe again unfortunately. cheers, Peter, PM. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Jessica Coates j2.coa...@qut.edu.auwrote: I'm sure most of the Wiki people out there already know this - but just as a reminder. -Original Message- From: cci-boun...@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:cci-boun...@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Alek Tarkowski Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2010 4:51 PM To: CC Legal project leads Subject: [CCi] Wikimania 2010 CfP Hi, Organizers of Wikimania 2010, taking place this year in Gdańsk, Poland, have just released the Call for Participation. Deadline for submitions is May 20th. You'll find the Call here: http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Participation All the best, Alek -- dr Alek Tarkowski koordynator / public lead Creative Commons Polska / Poland http://creativecommons.pl ___ CCi mailing list c...@lists.ibiblio.org http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cci ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] new minutes and small grant applications now being accepted
Hi all, I see that the small grants application process is via email, and that each application will be considered by the committee - could I take this opportunity to encourage anyone interested in applying for a grant, or setting up any sort of programme or activity, to consider also posting a message to this list, or better yet, creating a little area on the official wiki (you can do so in your 'userspace' if you'd prefer) - I think it will help morale no end for one and all to be able to read about any plans that are out there, and offer feedback, ideas etc. as appropriate - be bold, and get on the wiki! cheers, Peter, PM. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, There are some new minutes for the January and February committee meetings available on the wiki here: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetings Also, the committee has now launched the Small Grants program. Chapter members can apply for grants of up to $100 to assist with their work on Wikimedia projects or other activities directly related to Wikimedia Australia's mission. We have set the limit for the trial of this program at $100 per applicant but we will review this after the program finishes in August, so feedback after the conclusion of the trial would be most welcome. Please be aware that while we will be accepting applications from March until August, the trial of this program has only a limited amount of funds available so it is essentially operating on a first come first served basis, so if you wish to apply for a grant, please do so as soon as possible. You can read more about this program and some examples of the types of projects you could request a grant for at http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Small_grantsoldid=1933. If you have any questions about the program please feel free to contact us. Regards, Sarah ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Sydney meetup
G'day all, If you're in Sydney, and have half a mind to come along to a meetup - please do! Details are here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney#March_10th_2010.2C_6pm_-_City_venue There's plenty to talk about, and it's about time we had another chance to chew the wiki cud - if you've never attended such a meetup, they're basically friendly, informal gatherings to discuss anything and everything wiki related - if you're not specifically a wikimedia volunteer at all - you're still most welcome to come along to meet a few! If you're passing through from interstate (or overseas), it'd be great to see you too :-) best, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] follow up on committee meetup
G'day all, it's been over three weeks since the committee meeting, and since Andrew referred to the 'clear goals and objectives for the year ahead' - I think it's becoming kinda urgent to post something to the membership about what's planned / what's going on :-) If there's stuff going on behind the scenes, please do let us (members) know, so we can offer feedback / get involved / generally just feel good that the chapter is on the right tracks :-) - If there isn't really anything happening, then we probably need to have another conversation about how we can get things going cheers, Peter, PM. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not the secretary, so if I'm wrong I'm happy to be corrected, but my understanding is that 1. We had meetings on 20 Dec, 17 Jan and 30 Jan (the meeting was immediately before the retreat and cleared the business items). The committee hasn't yet ratified the 30 Jan minutes. 2. That particular page (and anything in that part of the wiki in fact) is an official page of Wikimedia Australia and the secretary has responsibility for it, so it shouldn't be modified by anyone else, as it's a formal communication from the appropriate officer to the membership. If it's not already linked, there is probably a good reason. cheers Andrew On 11 February 2010 07:43, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: coolio :-) - I'm sure we'll figure out the best spot for the notes / minutes etc. - I noticed that we've got some more min.s from Dec and Jan up there now too; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2009_December_20)http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_%282009_December_20%29 http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2010_January_17)http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_%282010_January_17%29 Should they be linked to from the 'meetings' page? - I'm happy to fix all that up, but I'm not sure when a meeting is a meeting or not at the mo ;-) I look forward to reading about the retreat when Brianna gets a mo :-) best, Peter, PM. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:47 AM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: G'day all, I wonder if I could pester a committee member with a spare moment to fill in the redlink here; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetings about the Jan. meetup :-) That meetings page is for my formal minutes, not for other things. The retreat pages that are not part of the minutes are kept as a separate collection of pages. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] follow up on committee meetup
ps. - it'd also be cool to make sure we drop updates in semi-regularly here; http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters%E2%80%99_Activity_Calendar :-) On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote: G'day all, it's been over three weeks since the committee meeting, and since Andrew referred to the 'clear goals and objectives for the year ahead' - I think it's becoming kinda urgent to post something to the membership about what's planned / what's going on :-) If there's stuff going on behind the scenes, please do let us (members) know, so we can offer feedback / get involved / generally just feel good that the chapter is on the right tracks :-) - If there isn't really anything happening, then we probably need to have another conversation about how we can get things going cheers, Peter, PM. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not the secretary, so if I'm wrong I'm happy to be corrected, but my understanding is that 1. We had meetings on 20 Dec, 17 Jan and 30 Jan (the meeting was immediately before the retreat and cleared the business items). The committee hasn't yet ratified the 30 Jan minutes. 2. That particular page (and anything in that part of the wiki in fact) is an official page of Wikimedia Australia and the secretary has responsibility for it, so it shouldn't be modified by anyone else, as it's a formal communication from the appropriate officer to the membership. If it's not already linked, there is probably a good reason. cheers Andrew On 11 February 2010 07:43, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote: coolio :-) - I'm sure we'll figure out the best spot for the notes / minutes etc. - I noticed that we've got some more min.s from Dec and Jan up there now too; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2009_December_20)http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_%282009_December_20%29 http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2010_January_17)http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_%282010_January_17%29 Should they be linked to from the 'meetings' page? - I'm happy to fix all that up, but I'm not sure when a meeting is a meeting or not at the mo ;-) I look forward to reading about the retreat when Brianna gets a mo :-) best, Peter, PM. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:47 AM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: G'day all, I wonder if I could pester a committee member with a spare moment to fill in the redlink here; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetings about the Jan. meetup :-) That meetings page is for my formal minutes, not for other things. The retreat pages that are not part of the minutes are kept as a separate collection of pages. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] follow up on committee meetup
malformed URL? - here's the proper one; http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters’_Activity_Calendar On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:09 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote: ps. - it'd also be cool to make sure we drop updates in semi-regularly here; http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters%E2%80%99_Activity_Calendar :-) On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote: G'day all, it's been over three weeks since the committee meeting, and since Andrew referred to the 'clear goals and objectives for the year ahead' - I think it's becoming kinda urgent to post something to the membership about what's planned / what's going on :-) If there's stuff going on behind the scenes, please do let us (members) know, so we can offer feedback / get involved / generally just feel good that the chapter is on the right tracks :-) - If there isn't really anything happening, then we probably need to have another conversation about how we can get things going cheers, Peter, PM. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not the secretary, so if I'm wrong I'm happy to be corrected, but my understanding is that 1. We had meetings on 20 Dec, 17 Jan and 30 Jan (the meeting was immediately before the retreat and cleared the business items). The committee hasn't yet ratified the 30 Jan minutes. 2. That particular page (and anything in that part of the wiki in fact) is an official page of Wikimedia Australia and the secretary has responsibility for it, so it shouldn't be modified by anyone else, as it's a formal communication from the appropriate officer to the membership. If it's not already linked, there is probably a good reason. cheers Andrew On 11 February 2010 07:43, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote: coolio :-) - I'm sure we'll figure out the best spot for the notes / minutes etc. - I noticed that we've got some more min.s from Dec and Jan up there now too; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2009_December_20)http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_%282009_December_20%29 http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2010_January_17)http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_%282010_January_17%29 Should they be linked to from the 'meetings' page? - I'm happy to fix all that up, but I'm not sure when a meeting is a meeting or not at the mo ;-) I look forward to reading about the retreat when Brianna gets a mo :-) best, Peter, PM. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:47 AM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: G'day all, I wonder if I could pester a committee member with a spare moment to fill in the redlink here; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetings about the Jan. meetup :-) That meetings page is for my formal minutes, not for other things. The retreat pages that are not part of the minutes are kept as a separate collection of pages. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] follow up on committee meetup
coolio :-) - I'm sure we'll figure out the best spot for the notes / minutes etc. - I noticed that we've got some more min.s from Dec and Jan up there now too; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2009_December_20) http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2010_January_17) Should they be linked to from the 'meetings' page? - I'm happy to fix all that up, but I'm not sure when a meeting is a meeting or not at the mo ;-) I look forward to reading about the retreat when Brianna gets a mo :-) best, Peter, PM. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:47 AM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote: G'day all, I wonder if I could pester a committee member with a spare moment to fill in the redlink here; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetings about the Jan. meetup :-) That meetings page is for my formal minutes, not for other things. The retreat pages that are not part of the minutes are kept as a separate collection of pages. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] follow up on committee meetup
G'day all, I wonder if I could pester a committee member with a spare moment to fill in the redlink here; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetings about the Jan. meetup :-) I was able to pester Liam briefly on gchat, who indicated that it had been a really good meetup, with a rather large amount of information and areas covered - I also noticed that our latest news says the meeting 'concluded with some clear goals and objectives for the year ahead.' (thanks to Andrew for that update) - it'd be great to see these laid out for feedback / development and general 'get on with'-ness :-) ps. I'd like to begin contacting a few folk in regard to possible Schools projects - I'll begin all the prep. work over on the wiki shortly ( http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools ) - the 'sign up' list of volunteers willing to get involved is rather lonely (just me!) - so if you have any inclination to be involved in preperation of materials / presentations etc., or if you have existing work you don't mind bringing onto the official wiki, it'd be much appreciated :-) best, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Schools / Outreach pack
G'day all, If you're interested in working with schools, or helping WMAU bring material together - or if you're active in this area already, and could share what you're up to, why not head to the 'offical wiki' and sign up / share / get involved :-) http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools I've had a couple of opportunities raise there heads what with everyone heading back to school this week, but there's no doubt quite a bit of groundwork to do to make sure we're all pulling together - if you have and time and interest, lets create a project on the wiki! best, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Schools / Outreach pack
sounds great :-) I'd really like to encourage anyone currently involved in discussions, or with a bit of spare energy to start on the materials work, to head over to the official wiki and drop a note in / sign up - it'll be handy to have a central resource :-) - the foundation's outreach wiki which is also linked to from the below is another very good resource for anyone up for engaging in this area; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools cheers, Peter, PM. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: The committee at its strategy meeting on the weekend discussed what we can do for education and a number of ideas are being canvassed. Adam's lesson plan idea (from IdeaScale) was one of them; there's also discussions with external bodies (both teachers associations and government departments) either active or near-future planned. I'm deliberately keeping it brief as I am not speaking for the committee, only as an individual member of it. cheers Andrew On 2 February 2010 08:29, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: G'day all, If you're interested in working with schools, or helping WMAU bring material together - or if you're active in this area already, and could share what you're up to, why not head to the 'offical wiki' and sign up / share / get involved :-) http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools I've had a couple of opportunities raise there heads what with everyone heading back to school this week, but there's no doubt quite a bit of groundwork to do to make sure we're all pulling together - if you have and time and interest, lets create a project on the wiki! best, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Brainstorming for 2010
would you be up for posting the agenda ahead of time on the wiki - maybe it'd be interesting to get comments on some of the issues? I'm genuinely curious (with a smile!) as to what they may be :-) ps. (for brianna really, I guess) - I don't know if there's anything you can do about it, but I thought you might like to know that the ideas site thing sends you an email when you register which ends up in gmail's 'spam' section with a big red bar warning saying 'be careful'... On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: Plus, the make up of the current committee is very similar to last year's committee. Brian, Brianna, Liam and myself were on last year's committee and Andrew was an observer. The only truly new member is Steve. Brian, Brianna and Liam attended the face to face meetup last year and I attended one day of it, and all six of us, including Steve, attended Glam; plus various other meetups and meetings etc that various members of the committee have attended. So, really the get to know each other value I think is realistically pretty limited and I wouldn't consider it good value for my time and money. However, I do think it is a very valuable opportunity for the committee to get together and properly discuss a number of issues that are difficult to discuss properly in text communication when we're all scattered around the country. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: Michelle, from my own point of view, I really don't see it as a get to know each other thing and if that is what I considered the meeting to be, I wouldn't bother giving up a whole weekend and traveling to Melbourne, and I really doubt I'm the only one who would feel that way. There's a number of issues that have come up in recent months that have been difficult to resolve via email and IRC meetings and discussions and they really require us to sit down and have a really good discussion. Also, I think it's important for the committee to get together in person at times and talk through different issues we're facing, difficult things we're trying to achieve, etc and make sure we're all on the same page. As we all know, text based communication can be very difficult and it can be very easy to misunderstand each others and issues, too. So that's just my own perspective of the face to face meeting. There are currently two sets of committee meeting minutes in the process of being approved and published and both should be upon the wiki at the end of this week and they might help answer your final question. :) On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Michelle Gallaway mgalla...@gmail.comwrote: I don't want to shit on what is otherwise a great idea, but wasn't the AGM in November? Does it really take two months to get to know one another? What has (or has not) been going on in that time? On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laug...@gmail.com wrote: Hello members and friends, At the end of January, the committee is having a face to face meeting in Melbourne to get to know one another, strategise and make plans for 2010. Before that meeting, it will be useful to have some explicit brainstorming as a way for the committee to collect some idea of what we collectively consider important, or would like to see. Last year we did a brief survey, which wasn't a huge success; this year I would like to try something different. I set up a site for us at http://wmau.ideascale.com/ This site lets anyone suggest an idea, and others can put a number of votes to support various ideas. I have it configured so that anyone who registers with IdeaScale can add a new idea or vote on ideas. With voting, every user has a fixed number of votes (50 I think), and you can put multiple votes on an idea if you really like it. If you don't like an idea, just don't give it any votes. :) You can also of course add comments, and that is probably the most valuable thing you can do. I would guess this is most useful for 1) things that take longer than a week to plan and 2) things that involve or have some impact on the membership and/or general public. So this will not encompass all of the committee's responsibilities; some tech and policy and governance things won't be relevant to mention here. Secondly for Melburnians, we are planning to arrange a meetup for one of the meals on the weekend, probably in Richmond or the CBD. The details will appear soon at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne_15 . Please feel free to give your feedback on this list or privately. thanks, Brianna WMAU president ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Brainstorming for 2010
ah, but fear ye not! - You can reassign votes at any time (I figured out how to, so it must be easy ;-) - I think it's probably a good idea to 'vote early, vote often' - particularly because it might help keep momentum in other folk using the system? either ways - be sure to vote big points for an open official wiki :-) best, Peter, PM. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: Getting back to the original topic of this post, is there an end-date for the Ideascale thing? Don't want to blow my 50 gold stars on early ideas, only for even better ideas to come up later. Cheers, Craig -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brianna Laugher Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 2010 2:35 PM To: Wikimedia Australia members-only discussion list.; Wikimedia-au Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Brainstorming for 2010 Hello members and friends, At the end of January, the committee is having a face to face meeting in Melbourne to get to know one another, strategise and make plans for 2010. Before that meeting, it will be useful to have some explicit brainstorming as a way for the committee to collect some idea of what we collectively consider important, or would like to see. Last year we did a brief survey, which wasn't a huge success; this year I would like to try something different. I set up a site for us at http://wmau.ideascale.com/ This site lets anyone suggest an idea, and others can put a number of votes to support various ideas. I have it configured so that anyone who registers with IdeaScale can add a new idea or vote on ideas. With voting, every user has a fixed number of votes (50 I think), and you can put multiple votes on an idea if you really like it. If you don't like an idea, just don't give it any votes. :) You can also of course add comments, and that is probably the most valuable thing you can do. I would guess this is most useful for 1) things that take longer than a week to plan and 2) things that involve or have some impact on the membership and/or general public. So this will not encompass all of the committee's responsibilities; some tech and policy and governance things won't be relevant to mention here. Secondly for Melburnians, we are planning to arrange a meetup for one of the meals on the weekend, probably in Richmond or the CBD. The details will appear soon at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne_15 . Please feel free to give your feedback on this list or privately. thanks, Brianna WMAU president ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] chapter governance
G'day all, see http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Billabong#chapter_governance I saw a post on the UK mailing list ( http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/2009-December/005004.html), and I sort of felt that it raised some questions in relation to how we do things down here - I also recently asked on the WMAU wiki about how an 'official chapter position' might be formed (on the ISP filtering stuff), and andrew responded that the official chapter position would be determined by the committee... obviously some sort of structured discussion space (or the more open behaviours of the UK committee?) would offer greater transparency, and I see them as quite desirable - what do you think? Also - merry christmas to everyone, I'm sort of throwing this rock in the pond and running, 'cos I'll be off-wiki until the new year now, so season's greetings and festive merriness and all that to one and all, and maybe see you for Wikipedia Day in January :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] may make you smile
having recently written a larger-than-i'd-like cheque to the evil taxman, this made me smile :-) http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/tax-man-caught-cribbing-from-wikipedia-20091218-l1za.html cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki
'...As it is, three already busy committee members are the main editors.' cough cough !! ;-) (ps. I think Andrew's post sort of has cause and effect a bit bassackwards ;-) I see it this way - if engaging and growing membership is a priority then lowering the bar for engagement is a good thing. I have had quite a few conversations with folk who I believe would be quite interested in Chapter based activity, and I'd really like to say things like 'hey, head over to our wiki and you can sign up' or 'hey, that's a good idea, you should join our wiki, and we can work on it' - or even just organising having the ability to RSVP, leave a note or a question. I think wikis are wonderful collaborative environments, and (as others have said) it feels a bit odd to me to have to try and wave the flag for more open editing here - what about the old 'let's be bold, give it a go, and see!' approach? If the barbarians are at the gates, and the wiki gets taken over with nonsense we could just flip the switch back, no? Any Father Ted fans out there will know what I mean if I say 'ah go on... go on go on go on..' cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Getting started
Hi Adam :-) I reckon this list is a pretty good starting point - and although it may seem like everyone is most interested in access rights to the wiki, I think that's probably also just a temporary thing - as you've probably seen, mailing lists can get all focussed on odd things for a while - perhaps getting a topic like this going will channel energies in a good direction too :-) Do you mind me asking where you're based, and roughly what sort of institutions you're interested in contacting? I have in past approached people (and institutions) just by saying 'I'm a wikipedia editor, and I have a few questions, have you got any spare time by any chance?' - there's a page on the wiki detailing some of this stuff here; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Contacting_external_folk If by any chance you're Sydney based, and roughly Uni age - then there's a particular idea maybe worth talking over too... I agree with others that a regular event might help the Chapter a bit, and have been thinking about Manning Bar at Sydney Uni. or the UTS Campus nearer central - we might also be able to talk to some student associations to see if they're interested in hearing more about wiki (to be honest this could be a chapter thing, or a general wiki thing, it's all going in the same direction) - what do you think? Re : your comments about blog.s etc. - personally I quite like the connection that comes from using MediaWiki, although I take your point that it maybe doesn't look so crash hot - there's always the possiblity of using external tools for specific projects, but I don't think we've really got enough resources at the mo to explore this stuff more - our President and Vice President do have whizz bang blogs at http://brianna.modernthings.org/and http://www.wittylama.com/ respectively (there are probably more, but they're a good start!) cheers, Peter, PM. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Adam Karpathakis a...@live.com.au wrote: Hi, I'm a fairly new Wikimedian. I hope this is the right place as there is two lists. I would like to get a discussion started on how to approach institutions. I am a confident speaker but to senior people to whom I am Mr Joe Blow off the street, I don't have any firm ideas on gaining trust then commitment from them. It does not help that Public Perception #1 is Wikipedia = unreliable, full of useless trivia. Telling them this isn't Wikipedia is likely to confuse them. So what ideas have others tried that have worked or that may work? Also as a new member while I received a very nice welcome email, and I am grateful for that, I think Wikimedia should have a standard pdf email as well to inform people of relevant contacts in their city, what the org is and what it stands for and why it exists, etc. This should be simple enough to show or pass on to potential members. Interesting fact from uni student associations - New members are your best recruiters, all you have to do is make it easy for them. As everybody seems to be very invested in who should edit the chapter wiki, which to me is an unimportant issue, I would say only that if you want people to support you, you have to look professional. Wikis are good for geekd but discourage tech newbies, so you get very 'filtered' feedback. People also get upset when their contribs get reverted or written over. The obvious solution is to start an open access blog - people love blogs, some of the ones I read attract over 100 comments a day and they are full of useful feedback and ideas while still being moderated spaces protected from spam. Visitors will not confuse a blog with the chapter's official website so you get the best of both worlds. Adam -- Check out Domain Radar NOW! A world FIRST in property search has arrived!http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Conroy - Measures to improve safety of the internet for families
...I guess this topic is bound to come up - so no harm in a thread or two, I
reckon
No doubt press commentary is worth a look ( see
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/net-censorship-move-a-smokescreen-expert-20091216-kw7d.html)
for example.
Dealing, as this proposal does, with solely 'RC' content (see
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/A9975715C45E4DE8CA25700D002EF639/$file/Code+26+May_to+attach.pdffor
full description) - it seems to relate to child porn, and the
promotion
of crime / violence (that's the b) and c) points - the a) is a rather vague
'offend.. general standards.. reasonable adult' sort of thing - I'd like to
know a bit more about how it's currently implemented to pass comment)
I suspect that generally speaking, 'RC' content is pretty horrible, and
should be limited as much as possible. I also suspect that I have less faith
in both the technical structure of the proposed filtering, and the
faesability of appropriate list maintainance than Senator Conroy - so I'm
rather of the opinion that it probably won't work very well, and probably
won't deliver on the intention which ('assuming good faith' !) is to try and
stop Australian's accessing material we'd likely all agree they shouldn't
be.
Interestingly, I think it's possible that WMF projects do host 'Category 2
restricted' material (explicitly depict sexual or sexually related activity
between consenting adults in a way that is likely to cause offence to a
reasonable adult) but I don't really have any idea of the ramifications for
that - certainly it wouldn't seem relavent to the Conroy proposal at this
time
cheers,
Peter,
PM.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Matt inbgn mattin...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Does the chapter have a position on this
proposalhttp://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
?
Should it have a position?
If it has a position, what should it be doing to advance that position?
Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Conroy - Measures to improve safety of the internet for families
ps. This section from the 'FAQ' is probably relavent too;
In consultation with owners of popular overseas sites, *consideration is
being given to exempt high traffic sites* from having their material
included on the RC Content list if they implement arrangements to either
take down identified RC-rated content or to block it from access by internet
protocol (IP) addresses in Australia.
( from
http://www.dbcde.gov.au/funding_and_programs/cybersafety_plan/internet_service_provider_isp_filtering/isp_filtering_live_pilot/isp_filtering_-_frequently_asked_questions#14.0-
bolding mine )
It may be useful to look at whether or not WMF projects qualify / are
appropriate for such an exemption - I would think traffic may warrant it?
(whether our content does or not, is a different matter!)
cheers,
Peter,
PM.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote:
...I guess this topic is bound to come up - so no harm in a thread or two,
I reckon
No doubt press commentary is worth a look ( see
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/net-censorship-move-a-smokescreen-expert-20091216-kw7d.html)
for example.
Dealing, as this proposal does, with solely 'RC' content (see
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/A9975715C45E4DE8CA25700D002EF639/$file/Code+26+May_to+attach.pdffor
full description) - it seems to relate to child porn, and the promotion
of crime / violence (that's the b) and c) points - the a) is a rather vague
'offend.. general standards.. reasonable adult' sort of thing - I'd like to
know a bit more about how it's currently implemented to pass comment)
I suspect that generally speaking, 'RC' content is pretty horrible, and
should be limited as much as possible. I also suspect that I have less faith
in both the technical structure of the proposed filtering, and the
faesability of appropriate list maintainance than Senator Conroy - so I'm
rather of the opinion that it probably won't work very well, and probably
won't deliver on the intention which ('assuming good faith' !) is to try and
stop Australian's accessing material we'd likely all agree they shouldn't
be.
Interestingly, I think it's possible that WMF projects do host 'Category 2
restricted' material (explicitly depict sexual or sexually related activity
between consenting adults in a way that is likely to cause offence to a
reasonable adult) but I don't really have any idea of the ramifications for
that - certainly it wouldn't seem relavent to the Conroy proposal at this
time
cheers,
Peter,
PM.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Matt inbgn mattin...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Does the chapter have a position on this
proposalhttp://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
?
Should it have a position?
If it has a position, what should it be doing to advance that position?
Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Conroy - Measures to improve safety of the internet for families
pps. because, in my view, wiki's are better for brainstorming and consensus
building than mailing lists... see
http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/ISP_Filtering too :-)
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote:
ps. This section from the 'FAQ' is probably relavent too;
In consultation with owners of popular overseas sites, *consideration is
being given to exempt high traffic sites* from having their material
included on the RC Content list if they implement arrangements to either
take down identified RC-rated content or to block it from access by internet
protocol (IP) addresses in Australia.
( from
http://www.dbcde.gov.au/funding_and_programs/cybersafety_plan/internet_service_provider_isp_filtering/isp_filtering_live_pilot/isp_filtering_-_frequently_asked_questions#14.0-
bolding mine )
It may be useful to look at whether or not WMF projects qualify / are
appropriate for such an exemption - I would think traffic may warrant it?
(whether our content does or not, is a different matter!)
cheers,
Peter,
PM.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM, private musings
thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote:
...I guess this topic is bound to come up - so no harm in a thread or two,
I reckon
No doubt press commentary is worth a look ( see
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/net-censorship-move-a-smokescreen-expert-20091216-kw7d.html)
for example.
Dealing, as this proposal does, with solely 'RC' content (see
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/A9975715C45E4DE8CA25700D002EF639/$file/Code+26+May_to+attach.pdffor
full description) - it seems to relate to child porn, and the promotion
of crime / violence (that's the b) and c) points - the a) is a rather vague
'offend.. general standards.. reasonable adult' sort of thing - I'd like to
know a bit more about how it's currently implemented to pass comment)
I suspect that generally speaking, 'RC' content is pretty horrible, and
should be limited as much as possible. I also suspect that I have less faith
in both the technical structure of the proposed filtering, and the
faesability of appropriate list maintainance than Senator Conroy - so I'm
rather of the opinion that it probably won't work very well, and probably
won't deliver on the intention which ('assuming good faith' !) is to try and
stop Australian's accessing material we'd likely all agree they shouldn't
be.
Interestingly, I think it's possible that WMF projects do host 'Category 2
restricted' material (explicitly depict sexual or sexually related activity
between consenting adults in a way that is likely to cause offence to a
reasonable adult) but I don't really have any idea of the ramifications for
that - certainly it wouldn't seem relavent to the Conroy proposal at this
time
cheers,
Peter,
PM.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Matt inbgn mattin...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Does the chapter have a position on this
proposalhttp://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
?
Should it have a position?
If it has a position, what should it be doing to advance that position?
Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] warning on the wiki
well... being a technical genius 'n all - I identified the problem as due to the wiki source logo - and I changed Image: to File: - something tells me that this is nothing to do with why the problem went away.. but it has. cheers, Peter, PM. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:58 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote: I've been chipping away a bit on the wiki, and thought I should probably report this error which now appears at the top of the page; bWarning/b: file_get_contents( http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?titles=Image%3AWikisource-logo.svgamp;iiprop=timestamp%7Cuser%7Ccomment%7Curl%7Csize%7Csha1%7Cmetadata%7Cmimeamp;prop=imageinfoamp;format=jsonamp;action=queryhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?titles=Image%3AWikisource-logo.svgiiprop=timestamp%7Cuser%7Ccomment%7Curl%7Csize%7Csha1%7Cmetadata%7Cmimeprop=imageinfoformat=jsonaction=query) [a href='function.file-get-contents'function.file-get-contents/a]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! in b/srv/www/ www.wikimedia.org.au/html/w/includes/HttpFunctions.php/b on line b116/bbr / I hope I didn't break anything. cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] warning on the wiki
I've been chipping away a bit on the wiki, and thought I should probably report this error which now appears at the top of the page; bWarning/b: file_get_contents( http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?titles=Image%3AWikisource-logo.svgamp;iiprop=timestamp%7Cuser%7Ccomment%7Curl%7Csize%7Csha1%7Cmetadata%7Cmimeamp;prop=imageinfoamp;format=jsonamp;action=query) [a href='function.file-get-contents'function.file-get-contents/a]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! in b/srv/www/ www.wikimedia.org.au/html/w/includes/HttpFunctions.php/b on line b116/bbr / I hope I didn't break anything. cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki
Having open editing for accounts only sounds great to me :-) If this idea could gain consensus, and get done by christmas I think that would be wonderful :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: I think that presenting editing access to the chapter wiki as a “benefit” of membership is a bit silly really. When I spruik membership to potential members, “the ability to edit our wiki!” doesn’t even register on the things I tell them. Perhaps a compromise between the “no access for non-members” and “open access” viewpoints is in order. We could open access to everyone, provided they had an account. Accounts would still need to be approved by someone to weed out spam bots and the like (having managed a public-facing Wiki, I know that this is often a serious problem), and perhaps the accounts of non-members could be sequestered into the user space or something. If you look at Wikimedia UK’s “Recent Changes” page, there is a lot of rubbish there that their admins are having to spend their time cleaning up – frankly I think our people have better things to do than play janitor on the chapter wiki. I don’t know, apart from the whole “open philosophy”, I don’t see any real reasons why anyone who is not a member would want to post on our Wiki, and the fact that the Billabong is quiet… I don’t really see that as a problem since most of the communication and discussion occurs on this list, which is essentially open to the public anyway. Cheers, Craig *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew *Sent:* Saturday, 12 December 2009 9:38 AM *To:* Wikimedia-au *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki At the end of the day, and I think this is a point that isn't well understood because we have a foot on both sides of the border, this is the official wiki for a non profit organisation. The wiki's set up in such a way that those that are willing to support the aims of the organisation can edit freely. I don't know of any other similar organisations which offer open editing or participation - one I know that runs meetings for its members (and this is just networking!) charges $10 for non-members to attend a meeting; another runs closed email lists that non-members can't even see. As for the argument re vandalism - that isn't even our biggest prospective problem. The biggest is actually misrepresentation - the risk that we will be discredited as an organisation in the eyes of those we seek to build partnerships with. In the relatively insular world of free culture, edginess seems like a good thing, but in the real world, quite apart from our legal and other obligations with CAV, we have to deal with businesses, large organisations, governments, NGOs and the like. We're competing for their attention with more professional outfits which can offer them something. We're asking them to give us something - which requires a standard of credibility and professionalism. If random chaos is unfolding on our official website (and that is what it is), we have a bit of a problem in that area. Expecting already busy committee members (and I'm not even speaking for myself here) to monitor the wiki in such circumstances is an imposition on them and a completely unnecessary one - what do we stand to benefit from it, as against the costs? cheers Andrew 2009/12/12 Peter Halasz qub...@gmail.com Sarah, The only actual reason you've given for not opening up the wiki to non-members is because of fear of vandalism. Ok, so we have a problem: Potential vandalism. Solutions? 1. Actually observe actual vandalism before locking anything down. 2. Assign a couple of people to patrolling recent changes once a week 3. Locking individual pages when we require their integrity to be preserved. 4. Requiring wiki users to sign in 5. Requiring new wiki users to wait 3 days before editing 6. Banning everyone but paid members, who, after paying their membership, can apply for an account, which, when it expires, is no longer allowed to edit. C'mon, seriously? You went with #6? To combat vandalism? Although, as you say, we CAN keep the wiki locked up, why SHOULD we? And why with such tight control? Peter Halasz. User:Pengo (Lapsed member) ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki
re : 'I though that Wikimedia is built on a philopsy of anyone can edit, surely promoting that philopsy is the aim of the chapter. Wouldnt it be wise for Wikimedia-Australia to hold that as corner stone of its purpose. Does anyone think that the goals and ideals which we hold dear should not be what we present in our public place.' Yes yes yes! I'm another strong supporter of open access editing for the wmau wiki - I think it's a really good idea, and is borderline embarassing that it's currently restricted :-) best, Peter, PM. On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/11 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com One disadvantage of this would be that one of the promoted benefits of membership (being able to edit the wiki) is no longer exclusive. Seriously is this a benefit, whats the wiki for why would anyone join up just to edit the wiki No one will ever join the chapter to get editing rights. The connection of editing rights granted to members and motivation for membership is a step too far and illogical. I don't think anyone really believes that editing rights is a motivation for joining, but it is a right granted to members. Most, possibly all, people join the chapter because they want to support it and that's it. However, I don't support opening editing for the reasons that were raised by several people when this was last discussed a few months ago. We have in the past granted editing rights to people for special reasons (as Andrew referred to, we gave GLAM partners access for organising and working on GLAM) but in general I support editing remaining as a membership right. If no one will join in order to get the right to edit then its value as a right is relatively small. Maybe in the future it will indeed be a valuable right (like some professional associations have log-in websites too) but for the moment having it closed seem to be benefiting neither the members or the non-(potential)-members. The giving of the special access to people has happened, IIRC with two accounts. Both were War Memorial staff who were helping with the preparation of GLAM-WIKI and not as a thankyou or benefit of having been a partner in the event. On the other hand, the reason why the GLAM-WIKI recommendationshttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM-WIKI_Recommendationslive at meta rather than at the chapter wiki (where they, ideally, should have resided) was to allow people to comment on them. though that Wikimedia is built on a philopsy of anyone can edit, surely promoting that philopsy is the aim of the chapter. Wouldnt it be wise for Wikimedia-Australia to hold that as corner stone of its purpose. Does anyone think that the goals and ideals which we hold dear should not be what we present in our public place. I think this is flawed logic too. The Wikimedia Foundation's own website is invitation only, as is the internal wiki, the Chapter's wiki, the OTRS wiki, the ArbCom wiki, etc. All for different reasons, but the idea that we should open editing to anyone because Wikipedia is built on a philosphy of open editing is a wonky rationale IMO. We aren't Wikipedia and we're not obligated to run the chapter in the same way Wikipedia runs. The main reason I don't support opening editing up is that we lack an online community to deal with the problematic edits and vandalism etc that we'll inevitably have to deal with. It's the public face of the chapter and the pages need to be maintained accurately, the membership pages, minutes and resolutions need to have integrity. The UK chapters' website restricts editability to the various pages that are of importance e.g. meeting minuteshttp://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings, donation http://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/, constitutionhttp://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Constitution... but because it allows editing by default anyone can contribute to volunteer http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer and water coolerhttp://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Water_cooler. The integrity of the things that need to remain stable is maintained, but it still allows for people to engage. On the other hand, neither the Frenchhttp://www.wikimedia.fr/and German http://www.wikimedia.de/ chapter websites are wikis - they're normal read-only websites. I think both of these latter chapters are something that the Australia can aspire to in terms of capacity, activities, members and pretty-website-ness, but the UK chapter is probably a fairer comparison because our chapters are effectively the same age and have the same budgets (up till now). The chapter Wiki as a way of facilitating discussion within the Australian community is a good starting point, let it be a host for members to write about their wiki experiences, to seek help in opening doors to the GLAM sector, let
[Wikimediaau-l] volunteering outreach
G'day all :-) I mentioned in a previous post ( http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-November/056092.html) that I was personally interested in getting some external advice from Volunteering Australia ( http://www.volunteeringaustralia.org/html/s01_home/home.asp ) about good practice, and learning a bit more about how other large volunteer organisations manage things - I'm going to be popping in to Volunteering Australia in the next couple of weeks or so to have a meet and greet sort of chat - I've been very clear that I'm just a volunteer who enjoys contributing to wikimedia projects, and I hope they may be able to offer some interesting ideas, as well as answer a few questions I've got - I've copied Jay from the foundation in on this too, as well as the australian chapter list really just to let folk know :-) Having chatted about this a little with Witty Lama following the aussie chapter AGM, I'm pleased that he's coming along too - I'll update this thread following the chat with any interesting news or ideas :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] AGM report
G'day all, The AGM came and went yesterday in pretty much record time! I must thank Liam for opening up his place for a very-mini-Sydney meetup, and it was, as ever, great to hear all the voices from around the country on the conference call - personally I find that bit quite inspiring, so it's always a bit of a shame that the actual nuts and bolts business of the AGM is relatively straightforward - I think we managed to complete business in about quarter of an hour this year! Congrat.s are also due to all elected folk (details at http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Committee ) - and following the business end of the meeting, in Sydney we discussed things like getting organised for a 'Wikipedia Day' in January (it's the site's 9th birthday you know - heading rapidly for double figures!), as well as trying to expand membership, and have regular (monthly?) events / meetups to try and keep membership engaged, informed, and excited! I believe the committee are getting organised to meet in person in the new year, and no doubt we'll hear more good stuff anon... but for now, just a sincere 'well done' to the folk involved in organising the AGM, and a note that here in Sydney, we're shooting for one more mini-meetup before christmas, it would be great to get as many folk along as possible, and on a related note, I've just created http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetups to see if a centralised meetup area on the 'official' wiki might help - please do add info. from other states as appropriate :-) cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Nominations for office bearers ahead of the AGM
Hi all, Just popped in to http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/2009-2010_AGM#Nominations to see how we're going, and noticed that the cupboard is bare with nominations! - it's just over a fortnight to go before we appoint all the roles - it'd be great to see any candidate statements etc. - if nom.s have been received via. *secretary[image: -at-]wikimedia.org.au *it'd be great to update the wiki to reflect that :-) cheers (and happy weekend to one and all) Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fundraising
Hi all, It's probably worth contacting both CPA and CA australia to see if they could hook us up with a volunteer suitably skilled to do the job - I take it we don't really have any idea how much money might come in from joining the fundraising drive, but 20K for the year is probably a good target anyways, so it would be nice to have someone on board who can happily do the job :-) Let me know if you'd like me to make a call or two (or indeed if such calls have already been made!) - I would hope there's someone out there who would be willing to help out? (it's another good way to get another member too, of course! ;-) Further - re : Sarah's and your note about financial members etc. (I know, I'm one of the tardy ones!) - could we confirm how many financial members we have for this AGM? - just for the curious! :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laug...@gmail.comwrote: A quick word. We are currently looking at seeking fundraising approval in each state. OurCommunity has useful links to the law in each state - http://www.ourcommunity.com.au/management/view_help_sheet.do?articleid=50 It feels very ridiculous that we need to seek this approval on a state by state basis, when we are doing purely online fundraising, but that's the law for you...slow to catch up in this instance. Each state has different requirements. In particular for NSW we need to write down who our auditor will be. The auditor has to audit us within 6 months of the end of the FY and submit it to the NSW Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing. The auditor should be 1) a Registered Company Auditor, or 2) a member of an accounting body (CPA Australia/Institute of Chartered Accountants), or 3) a person with a formal accounting qualification. If the income is less than 20k, we can use an auditor without formal qualifications, but then we have to get their approval for that, so obviously just having someone who fits into one of the above categories makes it all easier. So if you are such a person, or know such a person who might be happy to be our auditor, please get in contact! Email me or another committee member offlist. And if you have familiarity with applying for this approval in other states, we would also love your help (especially Queensland, also Victoria). thanks, Brianna 2009/11/1 Brianna Laugher brianna.laug...@gmail.com: Hello, The fundraiser and our taking part in it, or not, has been the main matter of discussion within the committee for the past few weeks. And it is still under discussion... If we do take part, it is likely to be with a late start (ie the fundraiser is due to start early November, and run for around two months, but maybe our involvement would only begin in December). It would be a good help if we could locate a volunteer bookkeeper, especially in Melbourne. Likewise, a CiviCRM expert (user). So if anyone knows or is such a person, it would be great if they could make themselves known :) Sorry for the radio silence of late... I have some communiques I am due to put together and send to this list ASAP... so hopefully sometime over the Cup weekend. cheers Brianna 2009/10/30 private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com: just a quick second on the offer to help - I think it's really quite important that we as a chapter are able to join the fundraising process - p'raps it's all underway, and we're all signed up but the list isn't up to date. If so, hopefully someone in the know can update, and if not, it'd be great to make this a pretty high priority :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Angela bees...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia's fundraising campaign is starting next month. Six chapters are on the list to take part in that and will receive some of the funding that comes in from relevant countries. Is there any reason Wikimedia Australia is not on the list? Is help needed with anything to get the chapter ready for the fundraising drive so that it can take part? Angela ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/ -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/ ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fundraising
just a quick second on the offer to help - I think it's really quite important that we as a chapter are able to join the fundraising process - p'raps it's all underway, and we're all signed up but the list isn't up to date. If so, hopefully someone in the know can update, and if not, it'd be great to make this a pretty high priority :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Angela bees...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia's fundraising campaign is starting next month. Six chapters are on the list to take part in that and will receive some of the funding that comes in from relevant countries. Is there any reason Wikimedia Australia is not on the list? Is help needed with anything to get the chapter ready for the fundraising drive so that it can take part? Angela ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] relavent to GLAM
This is rather important + serious stuff which relates to the 'GLAM' sector - hopefully we'll be leading the way in ensuring good communication may help resolve problems like this; (basically a Commons user has received a legal letter relating to uploads of photographs of gallery items) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Dcoetzee/NPG_legal_threat, cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] relavent to GLAM
well just for the record, I hope we can do better than referring to an action clearly intended (however misguided) to protect the work of a rather venerable cultural institution as 'batshit insane' :-) - I rather think it runs the risk of making us seem a bit radical and unfriendly - not my perception of what GLAM is all about. This bit though So the thing is really: how to convince museums and galleries to open up, use us for free publicity and spreading their good name - absolutely spot on... :-) now play nice. best, Peter, PM. On 7/11/09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/07/2009, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: This is rather important + serious stuff which relates to the 'GLAM' sector - hopefully we'll be leading the way in ensuring good communication may help resolve problems like this; (basically a Commons user has received a legal letter relating to uploads of photographs of gallery items) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Dcoetzee/NPG_legal_threat, It doesn't help that the NPG's actions (a UK org threatening a US citizen with legal action over actions that are unambiguously not a copyright violation of any sort in US law) are, how do I put this, FRANKLY INSANE. I made a quick summary blog post: http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2009/07/11/sue-and-be-damned/ Note that another notable UK museum, the VA, took the opposite tack: open their collections, spread their name and pictures of their exhibits, reap the publicity. (The VA is fantastic, and no photo can substitute for seeing the stuff in real life.) So the thing is really: how to convince museums and galleries to open up, use us for free publicity and spreading their good name ... and not act batshit insane like the NPG appears to be. - d. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Wiki Wednesday time
G'day all, I thought I'd just remind one and all that next week it's meetup time again for Sydneysiders :-) See http://www.customware.net/repository/display/WikiWednesday for more details, and if you're anywhere near the Sydney area, do try and come along - I've heard the presentations are particularly strong this time ;-) Being a 'wiki' wednesday - it's not just the encyclopedia types who attend, although we put up a reasonable showing - it's a pretty diverse crowd, friendly, and interesting to chat with. Plus there's often free pizza and beer! Hope to see you there, best, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Open website editing?
it looks to me like we're heading for consensus that a bit more open editing would be a good thing - not for IP addresses, but for folk who have confirmed their email address (per Nick's technical suggestion)... could we implement this or could someone suitably empowered indicate how they see this developing / further thoughts :-) I think just getting a bit more energy / input into wm-au would be a good thing at the mo - and for me this includes welcoming non-member editors at this time. cheers, Peter, PM. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. Agreed with Sarah's post - she put it far better than I did :) If there is a learning curve for new users, perhaps we could simply include a FAQ on editing the communal wiki or a link to it in the welcome pack/greeting that members receive when they first join. Andrew 2009/6/5 Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com I can't say I'm enamored with the idea of anonymous editing. As I recall, we had several reasons for restricting editing. As Liam said, one was to provide members privs (editing rights for the wiki is still listed on the membership page as a member's benefit), and another was concern about disruption - vandals, spammers, and whatnot. I don't think we're currently equipped to deal with the 'cons' that go along with the 'pros' of anonymous editing. Currently we have 32 registered users, minus at least four testing and alternate accounts. Of the remaining 28, 4 are classed as active (edited in the last 7 days) and a large portion of the rest have never edited outside establishing user/user talk pages. From a practical standpoint, I would be very concerned about how the extra cleanup and monitoring of recent changes, which inevitably goes hand-in-hand with anonymous editing, would be managed so that it wouldn't just become another job for a small number of people who already have a lot of work to do (don't meant that to sound at all snarky :)). Also agree with what Brianna said about members v open spaces and undue influence on the Chapter from non-members etc. I do, however, agree with Peter's comments about reasons people without memberships and accounts may find themselves wanting to edit and it would be nice to find a way to facilitate this but I can't imagine that I would support anonymous editing at least until/unless we have a reasonably active wiki community and that seems unlikely for the foreseeable future. Also I honestly don't think that creating an account is currently that onerous for members and you don't have to write emails. Simply fill out this form to request an account - http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Special:RequestAccount -Sarah On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: From what I recall, the reason we didn't have open editing of the Wikimedia Australia wiki is by way of providing something special to members. I am personally not against the idea of opening up the editing to non-members but AFAICR that was the issue - not a technical one. -Liam wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata Sent from Sydney, Nsw, Australia On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:36 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote: found myself nodding furiously at Pengo's first post :-) @nickj - it sound to me that you have the appropriate technical know how to implement the 'open editing once you've confirmed your email' approach which this thread seems to be moving towards - would you be prepared to make the appropriate necessary technical changes, given the appropriate access? @brianna / other committee types reading - would you mind nick having said access, and making said changes? I think it'd be most helpful :-) it'd be very cool to move towards resolving this one in reasonably short order :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:41 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.auwrote: If spam is the main reason to have accounts, would using a CAPTCHA for non-confirmed accounts help? (is that a simple option in Mediawiki?) Otherwise I'd recommend nothing more restrictive than confirm email address to edit Peter Halasz [[User:Pengo]] I believe, although maybe wrong but its part of the core until a user is autoconfirmed. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Open website editing?
found myself nodding furiously at Pengo's first post :-) @nickj - it sound to me that you have the appropriate technical know how to implement the 'open editing once you've confirmed your email' approach which this thread seems to be moving towards - would you be prepared to make the appropriate necessary technical changes, given the appropriate access? @brianna / other committee types reading - would you mind nick having said access, and making said changes? I think it'd be most helpful :-) it'd be very cool to move towards resolving this one in reasonably short order :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:41 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: If spam is the main reason to have accounts, would using a CAPTCHA for non-confirmed accounts help? (is that a simple option in Mediawiki?) Otherwise I'd recommend nothing more restrictive than confirm email address to edit Peter Halasz [[User:Pengo]] I believe, although maybe wrong but its part of the core until a user is autoconfirmed. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Open website editing?
that sounds sensible to me, Nick (but then, you always do ;-)... anywhoo.. The big change here is that we'd be opening the doors to WMAU website editing to folk who aren't members - I see this as a good thing - I think it would encourage folk to engage with the site, and possibly lead to membership down the track. I'd note that we currently have a couple of non-member editors for specific things, so it's not that big a sea change, but perhaps just a small, useful one :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Nick Jenkins nic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Personally, I'm a fan of having this in LocalSettings.php : - $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; // anonymous editing disabled. $wgEmailConfirmToEdit = true; // have to confirm email address to edit. - It allows anyone to create an account, and edit, once they have confirmed their email address, by clicking the link. It takes about 30 seconds to do, and it's pretty quick and easy. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) you have to have someone manually do something to enable editing currently for the aussie wiki, which I for one have simply have never bothered to do because it sounds like a bit of a hassle. Allowing people to confirm themselves is definitely a step lower in terms of security, but still seems to stop almost all spammers. However at the other end of the spectrum (open editing, lowest security, highest accessibility), the wikis with open editing seem to accumulate some spam/automated gibberish/general crap though (not a raging torrent, but enough to be annoying). Just my 2 cents. -- All the best, Nick. -Original Message- From: private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com Reply-to: Wikimedia-au wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia-au wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Open website editing? Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:47:03 +1000 Hi all, Having been fairly active on the aussie wiki for the last little while - a thought occurred to me... Have we tried allowing open access to editing? The whole idea of allowing IP editing is sort of counter-intuitive in many ways - but perhaps it might help engage folk passing through? - It's certainly one way for people to ask questions etc. My apologies if this has been discussed at length previously - but I'd like to see if anyone out there agrees with me that it might well be worth a try? - I've no idea how technically difficult it is to 'turn on' IP editing, or turn it off again if it's a disaster! - but hopefully it's not too big a deal cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Open website editing?
Hi all, Having been fairly active on the aussie wiki for the last little while - a thought occurred to me... Have we tried allowing open access to editing? The whole idea of allowing IP editing is sort of counter-intuitive in many ways - but perhaps it might help engage folk passing through? - It's certainly one way for people to ask questions etc. My apologies if this has been discussed at length previously - but I'd like to see if anyone out there agrees with me that it might well be worth a try? - I've no idea how technically difficult it is to 'turn on' IP editing, or turn it off again if it's a disaster! - but hopefully it's not too big a deal cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] smh article
see http://www.smh.com.au/news/home/technology/parents-warned-of-wikiporn-risk/2009/05/23/1242498976065.html Unfortunately it's not a good news one, dealing with 'Wikiporn risk' - but I think a 'well done' to brianna for sounding wise and sensible in a difficult situation is due :-) The worry is that in many ways this is the tip of the iceberg in regard to 'wikiporn' - unfortunately I've well and truly passed the stage where I'm boring folk with my concerns (see the foundation-l list for more details) - but much of the material on commons (shots of nudity taken at beaches without the subjects' permission, and freely licensed images of all sorts of explicit sexual activity) makes me worried that this story may not be the last we hear on this subject... cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Our website
I've gone ahead and bunged the new design onto the front page - and am currently feeling rather clever, because I've also split up the various sections, using templates, and now each has its own 'edit' button - which should make it easier to update, rather than having to go all squinty eyed looking at all the complicated layout code Re : Angela's points below - they're self evidently strong - I very much see the current layout as a framework which I hope it might be a bit easier for more members to get involved in maintaining / updating etc. - if you're so inclined - dive in :-) For example, I'd picture updating the 'featured content' bit weekly / monthly (or even daily) - there's a metric ton of awesome australia related content on commons, wikisource, and of course wikipedia - if you're so inclined, just grab something from somewhere, and update that area - if we have too many cooks, we can figure out some sort of system anon. In making these updates, a few things emerge to my mind as becoming a bit more diserable / pressing; - I would like to highlight the possibility of an organisation joining WMAU - for whatever reason it seems to me that we're talking to quite a few organisations who would be interested in supporting the Chapter in this way. There's no tension in my mind between between this process and encouraging individual membership also. - Our Donate channels are a bit limited - we need an acceptable online donation scheme asap. - It might be wise to have some sort of policy on cleanup of older items - many of the pages easily navigated to are mothballed to various degrees. that's it for now :-) cheers, Peter PM. On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Angela bees...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:06 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: G'day all, I've just been browsing a bit around our website ( http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia ) - and wondered if perhaps we might be able to generally aim a little higher / improve it a bit. http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/05/14/non-profit-website-design-examples-and-best-practices/ has some advice that might be useful. In summary: Make your site donor-friendly Make your site media-friendly Make your site volunteer-friendly Make sure your organization’s purpose is immediately apparent Make sure your content takes center stage Make sure your website is consistent with your other promotional materials Know your site’s purpose up front Include a news section or blog They also list 20 examples of sites that do it well. Angela ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Chapters meeting
G'day all, I just thought I'd ask the committee (and anyone else) if they've heard anything about possible attendance at an 'all chapters' meeting in Berlin in April... in particular if fund-raising is being considered, or maybe just to check that we're 'on the radar' down here :-) cheers. Peter. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Chapters meeting
coolio! - I'd missed the detail in the minutes (sorry); http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2009_January_15) - is there any call for a bit of AU fundraising at this stage? - the minutes indicate we've requested subsidy, and presumably the WMF and the German Chapter are kicking in with some financial support - is this covering enough? - Presumably those interested in bringing Wikimania to these shores are aware of how useful some 'face time' might be with various chapter types - and I wonder if we've considered sending our VP along too? (if he's available, for example?) cheers, Peter, PM. 2009/2/11 Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com 2009/2/11 private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com G'day all, I just thought I'd ask the committee (and anyone else) if they've heard anything about possible attendance at an 'all chapters' meeting in Berlin in April... in particular if fund-raising is being considered, or maybe just to check that we're 'on the radar' down here :-) Yes, it was mentioned in the minutes I posted last week. Brianna, as President, will be going to represent us and we have requested funding. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Update on Powerhouse Museum 'Backstage Pass'
by which I mean I think one would be good! - or 'let's try and keep some momentum on that' :-) http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Backstage_pass I reckon it's probably time to start rattling a few cages here and there - I certainly have a couple of folk in mind to see if they might want to attend - otherwise, perhaps we need to sort of pencil in some timescales for decision making etc. - hopefully it's happening in the next few weeks, so if you're interested in attending this rather cool event in Sydney, please do reply to this email, edit the wiki page linked above (if you can) - or otherwise by hook or crook get in touch :-) cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Sydney Morning Herald
an interesting one; http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/here-comes-britannica-20/2009/01/22/1232471469973.html talking about some new developments in Brittanica's approach it's a shame we (the chapter) didn't get a mention, or a quote or something - but never mind :-) the story is top of the 'top 10 stories of the day' currently at smh.com.au, so it's clearly getting read, by the way. cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] contacting external people
I've added the art gallery of nsw to the wiki page linked upthread, because it seems they're getting involved in the 'Wiki loves art' project which I've signed up to. This is getting quite exciting, being a truly international project now, and any Sydneysiders on this list who'd like more information about what's happening (or better yet, want to help organise / cajole / decide what should happen!) should feel free to contact me via any of the usual means, or at the central Wiki page; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Loves_Art Re : accredation etc. - when I've chatted to people, I've just been very clear that I'm just a wiki volunteer, and have no official role (kinda like David on the telly in the UK) - I'm kinda ambivilent about the concept of accredation, but would likely buy into any system the chapter felt was a good idea. - I also may have some news about the Sea Eagles in due course, so will drop that into the wiki page too :-) cheers, Peter PM. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:23 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/16 Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com: WM-au neds an ID system and if we want to be more serious some form of accreditation system for photographers to attend these kind of thing. The reason is that we are then establishing that the person is a member of the association and that association has no issue with the person contact them as such. Accerditation will also ensure that the person is actually going to use and release the photographs under a free license via one of the projects rather than get access and then just sell the images. Are there Wikinews-accredited Wikinewsies in Australia? They'd be good quick first choices. - d. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Special:Import on the au wiki?
I hope that a small feasibility test might be considered part of the organising of such a project - and indeed am not entirely sure that some home at the chapter wiki might be a good fit (although I haven't really thought about this much, and don't really mind!) - I wonder if the import of just the capital cities articles, followed, if appropriate, by their deletion, wouldn't cause too much trouble. It would have the great benefit of letting us (me) know if the Special:Import function works like it says on the tin, or if per Angela it kinda doesn't. Apologies for doubling this email, James (who gets an 'offlist' cc because he was kind enough to offer to try this previously!) - but here's the xml dump link again; http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=f526a76ad2e1a96291b20cc0d07ba4d2637696439eb61065 cheers, Peter PM. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:24 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/21 private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com: mornin' all it's great to see people talking about this - and I particularly agree with Andrew that there's a good chance we could do something great here :-) So far, I've been more interested in giving people 'bite size' wikipedia's to play with / learn from from the angle of learning about wiki, and developing 'wiki skills', more than driving the quality of the article, or even the content delivered - I see this as strongly in synergy with the HSC syllabus for example - although it's important to note that this isn't at all in tension with also delivering top draw quality of content. The technical problems angela raised are easy enough to check out, I hope - I don't really know what 'API' means I'm afraid, but the screen on wikipedia says that it exports 1,000 revisions, so I'm wondering if it's wrong, or if Angela left out a 0? Further, the whole 'only 2MB will work' thing is a bit of a bummer, and I thought I'd take up James' (or any sysop on the WMAU wiki who's up for it) offer to try out the Special:Import function. I've created two 'XML Dumps' - one of the capital cities of Australia, and one of the Prime Ministers of Australia - I think I may have accidentally clicked some sort of 'grab the whole entire wiki' button yesterday, because I cancelled the download at some 300+ Megs when I wanted to turn off the machine - doing it from home has resulted in a far more friendly 15 Meg for each file - far more than the 2 mentioned, but let's see if it works! Any helpful sysop can download the dumps from here; http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=f526a76ad2e1a96291b20cc0d07ba4d2637696439eb61065 Although give it a few mins - it's still uploading as I type :-) As I (think) I mentioned, I'm still very much at the feasibility stage, but would invite everyone interested in developing this idea to sign up, and 'dive in' helping it take shape; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools%27_Wikipedia_Australia I've not been following all of this, but ... I dont think it would be appropriate to import Wikipedia articles into the organisation wiki, which should be used for ... *organising*. If we need to build a resource that isnt a collection of encyclopedia articles, it should be developed on Wikibooks. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Special:Import on the au wiki?
mornin' all it's great to see people talking about this - and I particularly agree with Andrew that there's a good chance we could do something great here :-) So far, I've been more interested in giving people 'bite size' wikipedia's to play with / learn from from the angle of learning about wiki, and developing 'wiki skills', more than driving the quality of the article, or even the content delivered - I see this as strongly in synergy with the HSC syllabus for example - although it's important to note that this isn't at all in tension with also delivering top draw quality of content. The technical problems angela raised are easy enough to check out, I hope - I don't really know what 'API' means I'm afraid, but the screen on wikipedia says that it exports 1,000 revisions, so I'm wondering if it's wrong, or if Angela left out a 0? Further, the whole 'only 2MB will work' thing is a bit of a bummer, and I thought I'd take up James' (or any sysop on the WMAU wiki who's up for it) offer to try out the Special:Import function. I've created two 'XML Dumps' - one of the capital cities of Australia, and one of the Prime Ministers of Australia - I think I may have accidentally clicked some sort of 'grab the whole entire wiki' button yesterday, because I cancelled the download at some 300+ Megs when I wanted to turn off the machine - doing it from home has resulted in a far more friendly 15 Meg for each file - far more than the 2 mentioned, but let's see if it works! Any helpful sysop can download the dumps from here; http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=f526a76ad2e1a96291b20cc0d07ba4d2637696439eb61065 Although give it a few mins - it's still uploading as I type :-) As I (think) I mentioned, I'm still very much at the feasibility stage, but would invite everyone interested in developing this idea to sign up, and 'dive in' helping it take shape; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools%27_Wikipedia_Australia cheers, Peter PM. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:18 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: 2 problems. Export on Wikipedia only gets about 100 revisions rather than the full history, Wouldn't that be breaking the GFDL? It's not by choice -- it's a technical barrier. Anyway, to get around that you can do something like: From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/* see the page there for the full history. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Special:Import on the au wiki?
Hi all, being a 'starter of many things' (and the jury's out on whether or not I finish any of them!) - I've created this page; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools%27_Wikipedia_Australia I'm aware of quite a few discussions in this area, and believe it's a great direction for the chapter to pursue... it's certainly something that I'm up for working on as a fun and interesting project. I was chatting with Werdna about how technically we might copy articles from en into a smaller 'collection for schools' - and he talked me through the 'Special:Export' and 'Special:Import' functions - which basically just copy across an article and the last 1,000 revisions between wikis... here's my technical question though - when I visit 'Special:Import' on the au wiki it gives me a 'permission error (The action you have requested is limited to registered users. Please read Accountshttp://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Accountsto find out how to register an account.) I wonder if anyone technically minded has any ideas on how this could be fixed? - I'd like to test the funcitonality of this stuff, and maybe make a few 'proof of concept' type collections :-) cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Special:Import on the au wiki?
Well I started an export by category a few minutes ago, and have been surprised that it's hit 164 megs and counting already! (there's only 30 articles in that list I was expecting about 30 / 50 Meg total - more fool me, I guess!) The point of copying articles isn't really to drive quality, it's to encourage participation. I'm hoping that schools, and other institutions may find a small subset of wikipedia both a fun, rewarding and above all educational sort of playground - though perhaps two notches down on the anarchy scale of the big 'en' place itself ;-) I understand that I've got some work to do to further explain and develop my ideas in this area, but right now I'm at the feasibility stage really (and now 242 Megs and counting...) cheers, Peter, PM. 2009/1/20 Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com Hmm, we might actually want to fix the Australian PM articles first :) The ones before 1949 should be OK to import though. 2009/1/20 private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com ah - cool! thanks heaps guys - I guess the Permission Error is just a bit wrong - it should say the action is limited to sysops! I'll certainly take you up on the offer, James, although probably need to figure out a bit more about 'namespaces' and such - I guess ideally articles I export / import would sit somewhere like http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools%27_Wikipedia_Australia/Edmund_Barton(so within a subdirectory as oppose to just in the 'main' namespace) I'll tinker and see if I can export all the aussie Prime Minister articles as a start, and see what utility we might be able to get from this :-) cheers, Peter, PM. 2009/1/20 James R. e.wikipe...@gmail.com Works for me too. If you'd like me to do any export/import from English Wikipedia, let me know the pages and I'll process them across. - James 2009/1/20 Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com Hey Peter, I just went to special import and it seemed to be going to allow me to do it. It said: Please export the file from the source wiki using the export utilityhttp://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Special:Export. Save it to your computer and upload it here. Upload XML data Filename: Comment: This might be helpful (or not): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Import. It says: Normally any user can export wiki pages to a file, but to import pages into a wiki from a file, you must have 'Sysop' privileges on that wiki. -Sarah 2009/1/20 private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com Hi all, being a 'starter of many things' (and the jury's out on whether or not I finish any of them!) - I've created this page; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools%27_Wikipedia_Australia I'm aware of quite a few discussions in this area, and believe it's a great direction for the chapter to pursue... it's certainly something that I'm up for working on as a fun and interesting project. I was chatting with Werdna about how technically we might copy articles from en into a smaller 'collection for schools' - and he talked me through the 'Special:Export' and 'Special:Import' functions - which basically just copy across an article and the last 1,000 revisions between wikis... here's my technical question though - when I visit 'Special:Import' on the au wiki it gives me a 'permission error (The action you have requested is limited to registered users. Please read Accountshttp://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Accountsto find out how to register an account.) I wonder if anyone technically minded has any ideas on how this could be fixed? - I'd like to test the funcitonality of this stuff, and maybe make a few 'proof of concept' type collections :-) cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- James R. [[User:JamesR]] English Wikipedia Administrator Wikimedia Australia Member ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] contacting external people
Hi all, I've created http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Contacting_external_folk as a place to centralise some information, and chat about good processes for how non-committee members (and indeed anyone really) may be able to make contact with external agencies for various reasons - take a look if you get the chance, and help knock it into shape :-) My inspiration for this was a whisper that it might be possible to attend a Manly Sea Eagles training / press session to get some high quality images - I know that the Wallabies (union national team) are also fairly open to such things, so thought it might be a good idea to centralise the info. cheers, Peter, PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] A wiki bet + donation info
Hi all, one more quick one - I won a wiki bet recently, and now a fellow editor has to cough up 20 bucks to WMAU - I'm sure the committee has accepting web based donations as a priority, but I thought I'd flag that there's at least a $20 incentive to get that up and running as soon as poss :-) cheers, PM ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] More on the video front
not really au specific (apart from that handsome devil ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[Wikimediaau-l] Powerhouse stuff
hi all, If you get a moment, check this page out; http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Powerhouse_Museum It's a sort of holding page on our wiki for centralising the information about how our relationship to the PHM folk may develop - right now I've been trying to start a bit of a report for them to show them how wonderful releasing media freely is - and what a fantastic reach it gets :-) I think a wiki effort to improve the formatting, structure, and flesh out all the available info. would be great - so if anyone has any time and is interested - dive in! Also, I tried to get the 'collapsible' box template thing working, basically just by copying over the templates from en - I have no idea why it isn't quite working, or what consequences there are in creating templates, so apologies for any problems caused, and if anyone has any expertise in that area, there's another small job to do :-) cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools
This is a great idea, I reckon - and I've got a few other ideas that might be interesting around this! (more anon) - it's interesting (to me anyways) to note though that recommending a 'schools wikipedia' does kind of imply that the actual wikipedia might not be a good fit for schools - doesn't it? 2008/12/11 Orderinchaos78 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps that's something the WMA could commit to working towards? I think that would be quite a reasonable outcome. 2008/12/10 Craig Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like this product, but maybe we should look at providing a tweaked version for Australian schools with more Australian topics (ie: less American Presidents and more Australian Prime Ministers). Cheers, Craig --- Craig Franklin PO Box 1093 Toombul, Q, 4012 Australia http://www.halo-17.net - Australia's Favourite Source of Indie Music, Art, and Culture. - Original Message - From: David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wikimedia-au wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: [personal] Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools Something that we can and should suggest also is the SOS Wikipedia Selection for Schools, all of which has been screened for educational relevance and classroom suitability: http://schools-wikipedia.org/ Anyone who gets a DVD or memory stick of it can run off copies as needed. - d. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
