Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Santhosh Thottingal wins the President's Maharshi Badrayan Vyas Samman for 2019

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Wonderful news and very well deserved. Congratulations Santosh!
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata Advisor position: Update

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Conngratulations!
Bodhi has been doing some amazing work with data pushes, very well deserved
and excited to see whats ahead.
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Inviting Wikimedians to OpenStreetMap Asia conference in Bengaluru Nov 17-18

[Arun Ganesh]

Dear all,

Many will already be aware of the new maps available on the wiki -
Wikimedia Maps [1] which are created using data from the crowdsourced map
data project - OpenStreetMap [2] that opens up possibilities like truly
multiingual open maps [3] and geovisualizations [4] on the wiki.

The OpenStreetMap mapping community in Asia is organizing a conference in
Bengaluru next week - State of the Map Asia [5] at the beautiful Indian
Institute of Management Bangalore campus on the weekend of Nov 17-18.

Participants includes scholarships recipients from the region sharing their
stories of using the crowdsource map project for various initiatives and is
highly relevant to Wikimedians interested in maps, data, visualizations,
civic activism, street photographs.

There will be quite a few Wikimedians attending and there is a session on
Wikimedia Maps by Naveen Francis. There will be plenty of opportunities to
have BoFs on the overlap between Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap communities in
Asia.

Student discounts are available. Please register before November 12th and
do share in relevant open source circles that will help grow the open
knowledge community. You can follow updates on twitter [6]

[1] https://maps.wikimedia.org/#5/23.095/82.164
[2] http://openstreetmap.in/
[3] https://jsfiddle.net/Lcvp5p7x/
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jazze7/sandbox/Transport/Maps-2

[5] http://stateofthemap.asia/program/
[6] https://twitter.com/hashtag/sotmasia2018?f=tweets
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Maps for all Indic languages Wikimedia projects.

[Arun Ganesh]

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 8:35 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi 
wrote:

> And all such changes should be compliant of US law as the server is
> located there, and should only work for Indian IP addresses only?
>
>
>From the discussion on phabricator
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113008#4182195 it looks unlikely that
any wiki would be able to change how the borders look, since that would
infringe on being neutral.

Any likely customization can only have to be done by the user in their
common.js . Not sure if even that is doable right now.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Maps for all Indic languages Wikimedia projects.

[Arun Ganesh]

Also made a demo with the language selector + the maps to switch the
language easily: https://jsfiddle.net/planemad/Lcvp5p7x/

Thank you Santosh for the ULS ;)
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Maps for all Indic languages Wikimedia projects.

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>
>
> I've seen the response of developer team and that's fair enough (to show
> the areas as disputed).
>
>>
>> We are in the middle of working through a task to clearly mark all areas
>> where borders are in dispute between countries: https://
>> phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113008
>>
>> I am not familiar with the areas you mention specifically, but suspect
>> they are well known to pnroman, who is handling this issue. In any case, I
>> added your note to the task, so that you can be sure hie is aware.
>>
>

To match the Govt reference map of correct boundaries, one would need to
hide disputed borders, and show extra claimed areas as a part of India.
This is not easy to do on the tiles and the problem has been explained in
detail on the task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113008#4177170

Arun, I think the output of your your effort meets the requirement. What
> matters is that the Indic language wikis satisfy government regulations.
> The details of who claims what can be provided in an article.  How to
> deploy this solution of yours or how to generate a vector file stored
> locally in the Wikipedia rather than in Commons, i.e. what form will be the
> final solution ia an issue that needs to be given thought by people who
> know more than me.


 To have this customization built into the mapframe map would need the help
of the WMF engineers on the best way to implement. Have shared my demo on
phabricator, so will just have to wait.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Featured Wikimedian] April 2018

[Arun Ganesh]

Congratulations Sangram!
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Maps for all Indic languages Wikimedia projects.

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> I regret that we may not be able to use it in India as POK and Aksai Chin
> are not shown as parts of India. Not only does this hurts the sentiments of
> Indian readers, it is also certain to draw flak from media, government and
> Indian law enforcement agencies. If possible, please try to resolve this
> issue.


To do this one would need to render the global map for each language in
multiple versions, one showing the neutral POV as is done currently, and
one customized for India, China etc where the local laws might require
differing representations of the disputed areas.

Its unlikely the WMF will support such a feature, as the maps will no
longer be neutral and will also significantly multiply the resources needed
to maintain so many versions.

There are some hacky solutions for this like overlaying the map with extra
lines that show and hide boundaries on the client side to get the desired
end result. This is a bit of 'map make up' but could very well be
sufficient to avoid any unneeded controversy regarding the map borders.

Tried to make a simple example to demo this, you can see the end result
here: https://jsfiddle.net/planemad/oeeLmg1j/1/
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Maps for all Indic languages Wikimedia projects.

[Arun Ganesh]

>
>
> Gladly. Our maps terms of use [2] state that we do allow use by third 
> parties, though there is a concern about over-use, so we request that third 
> parties "please respect our limited services and resources.” There are also 
> some specific requests about providing info, in case we need to get in touch 
> with yout the terms or use if you’re interested in proceeding.
>
> Excellent, thank you Joe! These tiles are a great resource that can really
popularize local language maps in India.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Maps for all Indic languages Wikimedia projects.

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi  wrote:

> For some reason, it is showing names with different spellings instead of
> the current spelling on OSM. Any idea why?
>
>> 
>>
>>
Links to examples? Could be the tile is using slightly older data or could
be rendering issues.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Maps for all Indic languages Wikimedia projects.

[Arun Ganesh]

AMAZING! After a decade this has become a reality to have fully localized
world maps!

Naveen what is the policy on using these tiles, can we include it in
openstreetmap.in ?
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2017 in India

[Arun Ganesh]

Thanks Naveen, these are super useful. Is there any integration of these
locations into OpenStreetMap? Found a very interesting map which shows all
the historical features that is updated everyday: http://histosm.org/#
5/82.26563/24.44715/0/

Karthik, what are the steps to import the data, maybe members of the Indian
OSM community can help?



On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Karthik Nadar  wrote:

> Actually the maps link should be ignored for India. India's monuments data
> hasn't been imported there yet and I don't see it's happening this year.
>
>
> On 02-Sep-2017 9:08 AM, "Naveen Francis"  wrote:
>
>> Few maps
>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/wlm-maps/#6/13.689/79.958
>>  [Based on common data]
>> https://maps.wikilovesmonuments.org/map?c=28.6222:77.1831:11  [Based
>> on wikidata]
>>
>> http://bhuvan.nrsc.gov.in/governance/culture_monuments
>> [Only National Monuments]
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Naveen Francis
>> <http://wikibooks.in>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Arun Ganesh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is always an amazing documentation of our heritage.
>>>
>>> What is the easiest way to find a historic monument close to my location
>>> to photograph? There is a great list of monuments [1] but is there a
>>> geocoded version that we could explore on a map for more convenience?
>>>
>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Monuments_of_National_
>>> Importance_in_Bangalore_circle
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2017 in India

[Arun Ganesh]

This is always an amazing documentation of our heritage.

What is the easiest way to find a historic monument close to my location to
photograph? There is a great list of monuments [1] but is there a geocoded
version that we could explore on a map for more convenience?

[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Monuments_of_National_Importance_in_Bangalore_circle
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Ravishankar Ayyakkannu as Manager, Strategic Partnerships - Asia

[Arun Ganesh]

Congrats Ravi! This is a great win for free knowledge in India after the
example set by the TN govt. Really excited to see what new milestones we
hit this year.


On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks a lot for all your wishes.
>
> The Global Reach team will focus on increasing the readership of Wikimedia
> projects in the Indian region by building strategic partnerships with
> government, non-profit, educational and private institutions. I am very
> keen to evolve partnership models that ensure the active participation of
> Wikimedia communities and affiliate organizations. Please feel free to
> reach out to me (rayyakkannu AT wikimedia DOT org) if you want to
> understand more about our work and partner.
>
> Ravi
>
> P.S. Replying from my personal email to keep the email thread intact.
>
> 2016-12-22 18:32 GMT+05:30 Abhinav srivastava :
>
>> Congratulations !
>>
>> On 22 Dec 2016 15:36, "omshivaprak...@gmail.com" <
>> omshivaprak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome, Congratulations Ravi.
>>>
>>> On 22-Dec-2016 3:05 PM, "Dhaval S. Vyas"  wrote:
>>>
 Very good news,

 Congratulations Ravi,

 Kind Regards,
 Dhaval

 On 22 Dec 2016 5:14 am, "Adele Vrana"  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedia India community,
>
> I am thrilled to announce that Ravishankar Ayyakkannu is joining the
> Global Reach team as a Partnerships Manager Contractor for Asia for the
> Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> As many of you may already know, earlier Ravi served as the Program
> Director for the Wikimedia India Chapter. He played a significant role in
> two recent developments from the Indian region, namely, the WikiConference
> India 2016 and the Government of Tamil Nadu issuing an order releasing all
> its content in CC-BY-SA license. Ravi is also a proud Wikimedian
> contributing to many Tamil Wikimedia projects since 2005 and has a 
> specific
> interest in community building.
>
> The Global Reach team will focus on growing Wikimedia projects along
> the themes of awareness, affordability and offline solutions in the Indian
> region. Working closely with Smriti Gupta who leads our work in the 
> region,
> Ravi will strive to build strategic partnerships with government,
> non-profit, educational and private institutions to achieve this goal. He
> is very keen to evolve partnership models that ensure the active
> participation of Wikimedia communities and will appreciate your support on
> doing so.
>
> Please join me in congratulating Ravi!
>
> Warm regards,
> Adele
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Featured Wikimedian

[Arun Ganesh]

This is so amazing. Thanks for highlighting such a beautiful project!

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Sanket Oswal  wrote:

> Greetings from Wikimedia India Chapter!
>
> It gives us immense pleasure to announce that the featured Wikimedian for
> the month of September is *Ananya Mondal*
> 
> .
>
> Ananya Mondal, the unsung hero of Bengali Wikipedia who is often credited
> as the butterfly-wikipedian, for starting the initiative of Wiki Loves
> Butterfly , the
> first ever project in India to take photographs of butterflies. She started
> editing on July 2015 and in just 13 months she has more than 9,051 edits
> globally. With special interest on topics related to butterfly, venomous
> snake and biochemistry she made over 90 articles on Bengali language
> Wikipedia.
>
> She got the idea of doing Wiki Loves Butterfly, when she discovered that
> Wikimedia Commons does not have enough photographs of butterflies. Over the
> course of 6 months, the project helped in getting more than 602 pictures,
> 53 articles on butterflies. She is now interested to work on Wikispecies,
> to help there improve coverage on West Bengal associated butterflies.
>
> You can find the full excerpt on the home page of WMIN (
> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Home).
>
> You can nominate any Wikimedian whom you think should be featured here.
> Or if you want to mail us, please feel to contact me or Yohann -
> yohan...@wikimedia.in
>
>
> Regards,
> Sanket Oswal
> Wikimedia India
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Indic maps OpenStreetMap

[Arun Ganesh]

Ramya just posted a summary of map feature names in Indic languages [1] on
the OpenStreetMap Project which powers the new Wikimedia Maps [2].

In India, the Kannada community has been the most active by far adding over
32,000 feature lablels and have even created an interactive map of the
world [3] which is the first of its kind for any Indic language. Hindi is a
distant second with over 2,000 feature names.

If you are interested to view maps in your language try out the
multilingual map tool  [4]. You can also make quick maps using existing OSM
data using Overpass [5] and export the data.

Localized maps like this are still largely experimental and need a lot of
work. It would be great to see more Wikimedians involved in leveraging this
open map data for local Wiki projects. One can contribute to the map by
editing http://osm.org

Hit me up if anyone would like help with OpenStreetMap. i have been mapping
for over 8 years now and know the ecosystem fairly well.

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ramyaragupathy/diary/37569
[2] https://maps.wikimedia.org
[3] http://yogiks.github.io/osm-kn/map/
[4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PlaneMad/diary/36119
[5] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/dkh
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Updates from the Global Tamil Wikimedia Community

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Wow, this is quite an update. Amazing work, the many visible and invisible
faces involved!


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[Wikimediaindia-l] Open Kannada Maps

[Arun Ganesh]

An article from TOI today on how the Bengaluru tech community has been
active at creating openstreetmaps in Kannada [1] and uploading localized
maps to Wikipedia [2]. Those interested in similar initiatives in their
language should get in touch with Yogesh [3]

The full Bengaluru Kannada streetmap is available here:
http://yogiks.github.io/osm-kn/map/

[1]
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/NasData//PUBLICATIONS/THEECONOMICTIMES/BANGALORE/2015/06/10/PagePrint/10_06_2015_002_978f81cf7c9a4f624a8f8fba64e43b4e.pdf
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hassan_map_kannada.svg
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Csyogi

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Recruitment Announcement : Program Director of Wikimedia India Chapter

[Arun Ganesh]

Wonderful to hear, congrats Ravi. Let this usher in a new phase of growth
for open knowledge in India.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala 
wrote:

> Hi Ravishankar,
>
> Congratulations   on taking up the Program Director role.
>
> Best wishes
> Arjuna
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Jayanta Nath 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Members of Wikimedia India Chapter,
>>
>> It is my pleasure to announce Ravishankar Ayyakkannu as the Program
>> Director of Wikimedia India Chapter.
>>
>> He was involved in various projects of the movement that dealt with the
>> State Government of Tamilnadu and multinational firms like Google.  His
>> experiences working for the movement have been featured in media including
>> The New York Times and BBC. He has served as the General Council member of
>> the International Forum for Information Technology in Tamil. He is also
>> actively involved in promoting Free and Open Source projects and Free
>> Culture movements in Tamil.
>>
>> Ravishankar completed his graduation from Nanyang Technical University,
>> Singapore and Technical University of Munich, Germany and later worked as a
>> researcher for the Leiden University in The Netherlands.He has been
>> working as an independent Web development consultant.
>>
>>
>> The Interview committee consisting of Sudhanwa Jogalekar (Past president)
>> , Navin Francis ( Past Secretory), Moksh Juneja (President) and myself were
>> honored to be part of this efficient, effective, and enlightening process.
>>
>> Ravishankar joined Wikimedia India on 20th September 2014 as Program
>> Director. He will be based in Bangalore. His primary roles are supporting
>> community members in organizing and executing the various chapter programs,
>> strategic planning for the chapter, mentoring interns and devise success
>> measurement metrics for community projects.
>>
>> Please join me in officially welcoming Ravishankar Ayyakkannu to
>> Wikimedia India Chapter!
>>
>> Jayanta Nath
>>
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>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Many user groups instead of One Chapter?

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>
>
> //I only notice negative attitudes//
>
> Yes, it is a problem for people who want a free run experimenting in India.
>
>
Compared to the huge amount of subscribers this list has, the number of
participants has probably not exceeded 20 in the last one year.

This indicates that the discussions taking place here are really not
conducive for any sort of community participation. Lets continue to blame
CIS, WMF, US dollars, fat salaries, vested interests, experiments and
everyone else for what is our collective failure to set an example of how a
community works.

If we are looking at any sort of unity, lets first pick out our own faults
before pointing the finger at others.

"Stand up, be bold, be strong. Take the whole responsibility on your own
shoulders, and know that you are the creator of your own destiny. All the
strength and succor you want is within yourselves. Therefore, make your own
future." - *Swami Vivekananda*

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Many user groups instead of One Chapter?

[Arun Ganesh]

>
>
> > Do I need permission from the chapter to start a Wikipedia editors club
> in my neighbourhood?
>
> To answer just this simple, technical question: no, there is no
> restriction, and any group is welcome to seek recognition independently of
> the chapter, and does not need its permission.
>
> See here:
>
> https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Step-by-step_user_group_creation_guide
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Many user groups instead of One Chapter?

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On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Pradeep Mohandas  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It is perhaps worth considering a format of having multiple user groups
> model in India rather than having one central Wikimedia India Chapter.
>

About a year ago there was some interest in creating a Mediawiki India
group but met with opposition from the chapter.

Is there currently a restriction on creating user groups independent of the
chapter? It would be good to know what this is?
Do I need permission from the chapter to start a Wikipedia editors club in
my neighbourhood?



> I do not think that the Chapter in its current form is representative of
> the Wikimedia Community in India. I have asked the Chapter to hold
> membership drives in other language wikis and other regions but this does
> not seem to have taken off. It has been 4 years since the Chapter was
> formed.
>
> The downside would be that several groups will have to interact with state
> governments in their respective states but I think this will make them
> understand and respect the Executive Committee's work more.
>
> I think this is worth considering in the present scenario.
>
> Warm regards,
> Pradeep Mohandas
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Hackathon 2013, Rakkar

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om
>> the event!
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [IEGCom] IEG announcements

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM, ansuman  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> FYI.. in a bit advance, most probably the announcement will be on
> Wikimedia-l by tomorrow. :-)
>
>
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/12/16/new-individual-engagement-grantees-to-engage-community-with-tools-and-outreach/
>
> Congratulations
> to
> all,
>  and Arun Ganesh (User:Planemad) from India along with Hugo Lopez
> (User:Yug) from France, their project has been approved,
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikimaps_Atlas.
>
> Arun, I look forward to seeing the developments as you move ahead with
> this project. All the best.
>
> Regards,
> Ansuman
> IEG committee member
>
>
Thank you Ansuman,

The Wikimaps Atlas is a an ambitious endeavor to create possibly the
largest repository of ready to use free maps for the world and fix the huge
shortage of maps that currently plague many Wikimedia projects. Please read
our project page for full details on what we plan to achieve:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikimaps_Atlas

On behalf of Hugo as well, I would like to thank everyone from the Indian
community for taking the time to review the proposal, providing feedback
and your valuable support. Its been a lengthy dream to do this and we are
really excited to get this level of support from everyone including the WMF
to get this project off the ground.

With the support of this grant, both Hugo and me who have spent
considerable time creating maps for WIkipedia, will be able to take a break
from our working life to dedicate our effort to develop this resource. We
plan to start work only in March, and you can hear more on the progress and
the inputs we will require from the community in the coming months.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Request for a mediawki hackathon during Congress Everywhere at Dharamshala

[Arun Ganesh]

Just a reminder to all, do apply by Tuesday midnight (2nd Dec 23:59) as we
would like to expedite the travel arrangements due to the holiday rush
during Dec 27-30.

Most convenient entry point into Dharamshala is Delhi, from where overnight
volvo services are available.

Closest mainline train station in Pathankot PTC / Pathankot Cantt PTKC
which is 4 hours away by bus.
Train finder: http://indiarailinfo.com/

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Request for a mediawki hackathon during Congress Everywhere at Dharamshala

[Arun Ganesh]

Dear Indian Wikimedians,

Those of you in the hacker community would be aware that the 30th Chaos
Communication Congress will be live streamed at a special event in a
himalayan hackerspace called Ghoomakad [1] between Dec 27-30.

Since it will be unique gathering of technologists in this remote region,
it is also an ideal opportunity to conduct a mediawiki hackathon/wikimedia
outreach that will be able to target a culturally diverse group of people
including the Tibetan exile community from Dharamshala which is 10 km away.

As one of the residents of the hackerspace and an active Wikimedian, I have
prepared a proposal to the Chapter to provide for travel and accommodation
scholarships to 4 Wikimedia volunteers who would like to lead and support a
hackathon in the village. You can see the detailed proposal and budget
breakdown here:

http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Grants/Congress_Everywhere_Mediawiki_hackathon

Since time is short, those interested to lead the hackathon or conduct
outreach in the local schools can already apply for the travel scholarship
now:
http://bit.ly/1hqFxyD

PS: Do note that this grant is pending approval by the Chapter EC and the
scholarship is subject to that decision. In the meantime do share this with
any community member you might know in the Delhi/North area. Queries on the
proposal are also invited on the talk page of the proposal.

[1] http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Ghoomakad



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[Wikimediaindia-l] Request to review the Wikimaps Atlas Grant

[Arun Ganesh]

Dear community,
User:Yug[1] from the Graphic Labs and I, User:Planemad[2] from the Indian
community, have put together a comprehensive IEG proposal to improve all
the base maps used on WIkimedia projects with updated cartographic
conventions and accuracy based on research.

The output will be a large set of editable vector maps, research
documentation and a comprehensive map creation workflow that anyone can
reuse.

The total grant request is for an amount of USD 10500, which will allow
both of us to work on this project full time for a period of 3 months. The
grant also includes a budget to hire external consultants where required to
accomplish the stated goals.

You can view the proposal and provide your valuable feedback/endorsement
here:
*https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikimaps_Atlas*

PS: This is the first step of the much larger Wikimaps project that aims to
be the open source map engine that brings together Wikidata, Commons and
Openstreetmap.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yug
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimaps

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - March '13

[Arun Ganesh]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote:

> Dear Noopur
>
> I request you to not send documents encoded in secret proprietary format.
>  If you
> want me to read the attached document, please resend it in a free document
> standard such as txt, html, odf, rtf, pdf in that order of preference.
>

Anivar, here you go: https://textb.org/t/j2q5o68fc7/

I do not have MS Office either, but gmail helpfully allows one to view the
document online and so could help you out.


>  We just
> passed celebrating Document freedom Day (http://www.documentfreedom.org/ )
>  As a known endorser of Open standards and FOSS , I hope CIS will assure
> all its
> employees will follow the same principles.
>
> polluted digital environment with secret, private and proprietary digital
> documents and force other people to live in a dangerous ecosystem.
> I request you to please resend it in a free document format .
> Thank you for understanding.  Join us in the campaign to create a humane
> digital society.
>
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-chn] Wikimedia India needs your support: Our First Fundraiser

[Arun Ganesh]

Karthik, could you add relevant links on what the budget and plan is to the
wiki page? The only info available there is how one can donate and none on
why you should donate.

For anyone who does not know what the Wikimedia India - WIkimedia
Foundation - WIkipedia connection is, there is a insufficient context to
motivate a person to donate.




On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Karthik Nadar wrote:

> Cross posting to reach mass, apologies if you have already read this!
>  *
> *
> *Dear all,*
> *
> *
> *On the second anniversary of the Chapter, we made public our intention
> of running our first fundraiser. Going ahead with the first phase of this
> plan, we will be running a central site notice on the chapter website for a
> period of two calendar months starting 1 February, 2013. In the second
> phase of this plan, we aim to approach high networth individuals and
> corporates in the month of March 2013. This will be done using personal and
> professional networks of current and past EC members, staff, volunteers
> among others.*
> *
> Suggestions, help and support from the community on what we can do to
> ensure success of this fundraiser are welcome. Every drop counts :)
>
> Donations can be made by Online Bank Transfer (NEFT/RTGS) or by sending us
> a Cheque through snail mail. We are unable to accept card payments at this
> current time. Link to the donation page on our website:
> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
>
> Thanking you,
> Executive Committee,
> Wikimedia India.
>
> *Reasoning* (From our public statement on 4 January, 2013)
>
> A lot of people may ask why the chapter needs a fundraiser when it has
> access to WMF funding. The answer is, we are still ineligible for FDC of
> WMF (we hope to be eligible for the second round of funding in 2013) and
> would need to rely on grants, spending of which is restricted by the WMF.
> Since formation, the chapter has relied heavily on the Executive Committee
> to take on the burden of running the show. In an ideal world, the EC would
> like to take on the role of guiding the chapter rather than actually be
> responsible for operations after two years of incorporation, which should
> be best done by professionals rather than volunteers in their spare time.
>
> The chapter has hired an employee (Sowmyan Tirumurti, our Executive
> Manager) as well as plans to lease its own office premises in Bangalore. We
> will need the help of those volunteers who are in a position to support us.
> It could be a small individual donation or in the form of a corporate
> donation from an institution. A small token of support from you could go a
> long way in helping us achieving our goals of furthering the movement in
> India.*
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposal for India's First MediaWiki Group Ahmedabad

[Arun Ganesh]

Let me (take the effort) to skip through the many lines of diplomacy. What
I understand:

   - Bunch of coders want to form their own group so that the coders can
   focus on.. coding and not going through endless email threads like this one.

I support!

PS: I'm no longer with WMF. But if there's one thing I learnt, creating
things is faster and more fun than trying to get consensus. And we
desperately need more people who can develop, minus the bullshit, or we are
never getting out of this well.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Welcoming Srikanth Lakshmanan to the i18n engineering team

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On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:

> Thank you all for you wishes. I look forward to working with you and
> making your language wikipedia experience better. Please feel free to poke
> me on any bugs you file for your wiki projects.
>
> To avoid people complaining of bombing inbox, please send your wishes sent
> to me excluding the list. :)
>
Nonsense! complaints are an integral part of these lists. Welcome to the
localisation team :D


>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Santhosh Thottingal <
> santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Congrats Srikanth!
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Alolita Sharma 
>> Check out some of his work on Tamil scripts and
>> consonants at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Script#Consonants_of_Modern_Tamil
>>
>
> Correction, my blogposts were based on it :)
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations Logic. I hope, now the Tamil wikipedia will not have
>> any glitches. Cheers
>>
>
> All languages have quite some distance to reach that milestone, am sure
> together we can reach there soon :)
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Server error

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On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Mandar Kulkarni <
mandar.kulka...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> Sorry... Here is the attached image...


Like the page says, the best place to get live help and info on whats wrong
is the #wikipedia irc channel:
irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia

or you can check the operational status of different services on
http://status.wikimedia.org/

I have not faced any issues so far, mr wiki also opens up fine. If the
problem persists you should post on the irc channel, someone is sure to
help put.


>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Adethya Sudarsanan  > wrote:
>
>> Boss,
>>
>> I dont find any attached image!
>>
>> -Ade.
>>
>> On 2 July 2012 23:17, Mandar Kulkarni wrote:
>>
>>> In last couple of weeks, I am getting server error frequently shown in
>>> the attached image. I had never experienced this in the past.
>>>
>>> Can somebody help me in this. Is any technical team is working on this
>>> issue? When it will get resolved?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS.in - call for proposals open till 8 July

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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar  wrote:

> If we can do some plans for talks/technical seminars/hands on etc, I can
> talk to my organiser friends there.
>
> -Sudhanwa
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So FOSS.IN is back I see. We were supposed to have had a slot back in
>> 2009, but nothing happened of it. It would be great if something
>> materialises this year.
>>
>
Was the last one in 2009? I remember the previous foss.in had a wikipedia
stall with wiki readers to play around with. There most definitely would be
a stall again this time too.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimapia switches to CC-BY-SA

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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What are the odds that the Google coordinates on Wiki are complety out
> of place? I know that quite often it is incorrect, but I trust
> Wikipedians to have a sense me judgement that tells them what is
> actually correct.
>

I can talk from personal experience. I was one of the first people to start
adding coordinates to  articles of Indian places, sometime around 2007/8
when wikiproject geographical coordinates started picking up steam. There
were lot of villages in Tamil Nadu, where I blindly picked the location
shown on google maps (as there really was no other source at that time).
After an initial mapping spree, I gave up on the task because it was too
tedious at that time. This is roughly the same time I discovered the
openstreetmap project and realized my mistake with copying blindly from
existing maps.

The coordinates I had added may have possibly been incorrect (I really dont
know and there was no way for me to verify them). But by now the error has
already gone back into google maps and the position stands validated
because its the same coords on wikipedia.

Imagine the irony if map services with the correct position is now seen as
being inaccurate because wikipedia states otherwise. Just like article
citations, even coordinates must have some indication of the source. The
current system is just faulty.



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimapia switches to CC-BY-SA

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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Arun, is it necessary that I have to use Google map for finding the
> coordinates? The last few times, I added coordinates to Wikipedia, I
> got the coordinates which were present on OSM and Twitter for
> BlackBerry, nether of which rely on Google
>

Umm no, you could get coordinates however you want, but from what i've seen
people tend to rely blindly on google because its the least effort.

Ultimately, users contributing coordinates need to make sure that the
coords they are adding is accurate. The assumption that google maps is a
trusted map source is highly problematic. I just randomly checked the
coords for an article - Puzhal [1], a suburb of Chennai. The coordinates in
the article exactly match the the location in gmaps. How did that happen?

Anyone trying to verify the accuracy of coordinates in wikipedia will find
that gmaps shows the exact same position. Its a feedback loop which
validates errors thrown into it. Not good.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzhal


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimapia switches to CC-BY-SA

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The short reply is, if you dont like google and their terms of service,
dont use it! Its a little unfair to use someone's service and then call
them villain if you did not read or like the fine print.

The primary issue with wikimapia is that google derived data is mixed with
direct user contributions that are copyright free. Because there is no way
to separate the two, the whole database is a mess of free and non free data
of varying accuracy.

Coordinates based on google maps has already made its way into wikipedia
articles thanks to the geocoding tool[1]. There is now no way to check for
accuracy or authenticity of this data. What was the source of these
coordinates? A field survey or user knowledge,  or blatant copying from a
copyright map? One will never know, nor is there anyway to easily fix the
mess.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimapia switches to CC-BY-SA

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>
> I don't understand the interpretation that longitude-latitude co-ordinates
> of the placemarks cannot be stored / used with the places. These do not
> belong to Google.
>

Wikimapia is a tool for geocoding - allowing someone to derive coordinate
values from some source, in this case, copyright satellite imagery or maps
. So along with imagery rectification and map mistakes, you will also
inherit license restrictions with any derivative work.

All the content on wikimapia will continue to remain on wikimapia with no
option to download or export the data. That will violate the google maps
service policy on which it was built..

 10.1.3 Restrictions against Data Export or Copying.
>
(a) No Unauthorized Copying, Modification, Creation of Derivative Works, or
> Display of the Content. You must not copy, translate, modify, or create a
> derivative work (including creating or contributing to a database) of, or
> publicly display any Content or any part thereof except as explicitly
> permitted under these Terms

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimapia switches to CC-BY-SA

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On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Anirudh Bhati  wrote:

> I would assume that the "data" they are referring to is the

user-generated content on their website.  They cannot license the maps
> themselves under CC BY-SA since those are licensed to them by Google.
>

So this would be placemark text descriptions and not the geographical
coordinate data. that would make sense. In any case, its a very misleading
announcement of no real value to wikipedia.

And the text itself has been added from various sources and cannot be
considered clean. In many instances you will find text and images from
wikipedia articles in there. So they were actually holding cc-by-sa content
i their database under a cc-by-nc all this while. The map data will
continue to be copyright as far as I see it.


>
> See below:
>
> Terms of Service:
>
> [...]
>
> F. All User Submissions of all users and all Wikimapia Data are freely
> available for commercial and non-commercial use under Creative Commons
> license Attribution-ShareAlike through WikiMapia website, WikiMapia
> API and other current or future WikiMapia services.
> G. Public use of Wikimapia Data and it's derivatives requires special
> conditions:
> a. Link to Wikimapia data original url, if viewed from any web browser
> b. Mention of "Wikimapia.org" (with a link to http://wikimapia.org, if
> viewed from any web browser)
>
> Extracted from their terms of service:
>
> http://wikimapia.org/terms_reference.html
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Arun Ganesh 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala <
> arjunar...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Check out:
> >> http://wikimapia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=9878#p194763
> >>
> >> A welcome change!
> >> Hope this will increase the quality of maps in Wiki Projects.
> >
> >
> > Thanks Arjuna, this is a very interesting development. And there is
> > something quite not right about this announcement. Wikimapia maps are
> > derived from data given by google through its api. The derived data
> inherits
> > google copyright and is not cc-by-sa compatible. Moreover, the blog
> mentions
> > the data is under cc-by-sa, but I dont think there is any mechanism to
> > download the map data from wikimapia. I'm going to raise this on the
> > openstreetmap mailing lists to figure out if this is legal.
> >
> > It seems to me that this is not, but will update you guys after I dig a
> > little more.
> > -Arun
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimapia switches to CC-BY-SA

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On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala wrote:

> Check out:
> http://wikimapia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=9878#p194763
>
> A welcome change!
> Hope this will increase the quality of maps in Wiki Projects.
>

Thanks Arjuna, this is a very interesting development. And there is
something quite not right about this announcement. Wikimapia maps are
derived from data given by google through its api. The derived data
inherits google copyright and is not cc-by-sa compatible. Moreover, the
blog mentions the data is under cc-by-sa, but I dont think there is any
mechanism to download the map data from wikimapia. I'm going to raise this
on the openstreetmap mailing lists to figure out if this is legal.

It seems to me that this is not, but will update you guys after I dig a
little more.
-Arun


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] HT City, New Delhi : Wiki meet for Delhi tomorrow

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On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Anirudh Bhati  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm confused here for a moment, so I have to ask- Who is Abhishek
> > Suryawanshi? I have started and ran the first few Delhi meetups, and
> never
> > met or heard of Abhishek.
> >
> > Is he on the list? or can anyone give me his username? I'm curious. He
> > mentions Ahmadabad too.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AbhiSuryawanshi


OT: Congrats to Abhishek for his achievements especially on his work
related to irrigation, this is an impressive profile for a 21 year old. I
dont think he's active on the list, but I do hope he reads this.


>
> >
> > The story is filled with a lot of errors "Wikipedia's Delhi office", the
> > generalized "Wiki Ambassador".
>
> Nothing new about the confusion between Wikimedia and Wikipedia -
> looks like this is something we'll all have to live with. :)
>

And i'm not very sure how this will ride out in the coming years with more
emphasis on non wikipedia projects like wikisource, wikitionary etc.
People are soon going to call themselves wikimedians instead of wikipedians
and more confusion will ensue.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] TOI:Urdu Wikipedia to be up and running in June

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Seeing the recent state of affairs wrt Internet and information, I think
> the Government of India WOULD want to create a 'new' Urdu project where
> they CAN have control over what goes on and what doesn't.
>

And unless wikipedia itself is blocked (which I doubt if it ever will), all
their efforts at containing information are useless.


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>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Gautam John wrote:
>
>> On 5 June 2012 14:50, Noopur Raval  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/to-counter-pak-india-to-launch-its-own-urdu-wiki/957849/
>>
>> "In Wikipedia, information contributed is vetted for authenticity by
>> experts; we will do the same to ensure that information provided to
>> the public is a rich database free of prejudice and misinformation"
>>
>> Say what?
>>
>> Why don't they just fork the existing Urdu Wikipedia and fix it? Makes
>> no sense to throw it *all* out. Then again, the Government oh so does
>> love reinventing the wheel.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gautam
>> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] TOI:Urdu Wikipedia to be up and running in June

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On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Noopur Raval  wrote:

> Hey folks,


> Here's another similar story in today's Indian Express:
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/to-counter-pak-india-to-launch-its-own-urdu-wiki/957849/
>  There was supposed to be a meeting on Monday with the director concerned,
> but it had to be rescheduled. We'll keep you posted on the developments
> after the meeting.
>

So the government has labeled the Urdu wikipedia as propaganda by Pakistan.
It seems possible that most of the Urdu community are predominately from
Pakistan and bias could have crept in to the articles. I'm curious to know
what the actual status is?


>
> Best,
> Noopur
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Philippe Beaudette  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Ravishankar  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This makes it clear that this is an independent encyclopaedia
>>> initiative. Wikipedia, Wiki have long become common names to indicate
>>> anything like encyclopaedia.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Point of order:
>>
>> Wiki is a generic name.  Wikipedia is not.  It is a registered trademark.
>>  Using it as a common/genericized term would be incorrect,and is something
>> that we fight regularly, legally.  :)
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Vandalism in Wikipedia

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On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:41 PM, cbrao  wrote:

>
>
> I request the seniors in the group to do the needful in the matter before
> Steeldrumspreads
>  his tentacles
> in furthering his malicious acts.


 Hi cbrao, you can always discuss such edits with the user directly and
settle things amicably. I have left a note on his talk page [1] to discuss
the issue with you.

It is completely possible that the user has no clue that his edits are
creating a problem and it would be unfair to take any action without
resolving the issue with him first.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Steeldrum


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[Wikimediaindia-l] TOI:Urdu Wikipedia to be up and running in June

[Arun Ganesh]

This article in today's Times of India left me puzzled. This is not related
to the Urdu wikipedia is it?

excerpt:

Mooted by the National Council for Promotion of Urdu Language (NCPUL),
> instituted by the human resource development ministry, the project is
> likely to be up and running in June.
>

> "We want to the young generation to be interested in Urdu literature and
> culture," Khwaja Mohammed Ekramuddin, NCPUL director, said.
>

> The council will initially upload nine volumes of the Urdu encyclopedia
> that covers subjects ranging from arts, science, politics and culture. It
> also plans to place a team of people to edit and update comments posted on
> the Urdu Wiki.


Article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Urdu-Wikipedia-to-be-up-and-running-in-June/articleshow/13695535.cms



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Update on Social Media Pilot

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On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:12 AM, LiAnna Davis  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing these results so far, Noopur!
>
>
> That being said, I'm really glad to see this experimented with in
> places other than the United States. I think the early results Noopur
> shared from India and what we've seen with a similar Facebook group
> for the Cairo Pilot of the Wikipedia Education Program (in that case
> entirely volunteer-led) demonstrates that the results I saw are not
> applicable globally. I'm glad to see us experimenting with different
> ways of engaging local communities to edit Wikipedia, and I look
> forward to hearing more about these efforts as they mature in the
>  future.
>

Having spent quite a bit time on the field doing user research on mobile
technology use in India, I can vouch for its amazing reach here. I have
been to desolate villages in
kutchwhere you will find
people living in mud houses, intermittent power supply,
smartphones with a 3g connection and sharing poetry with friends in their
community on facebook. And these are people who have not even passed high
school.

These are amazing things happening in this country and now is a golden
opportunity to capitalize on that to benefit the wikimedia movement. These
are worthwhile experiments and I look forward to seeing a lot more in terms
of innovative ideas to engage people and bring them together for a
worthwhile cause.


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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Update on Social Media Pilot

[Arun Ganesh]

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Theo10011  wrote:

> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Gautam John wrote:
>
>>
>> As always Theo, thank you for your incisive analytical insights.
>> Assuming one were to use social media for outreach, how would you do
>> it differently?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>
> And you are Welcome. :)
>
> I won't do it actually. As memory serves, WMF has never used Social media,
> or hired one of those "social media experts". The community might have an
> opinion or two, if that approach was taken aggressively. Regardless, being
> located in SF, having an abundance of native-English speaking, social-media
> gadflies, puts the SF staff in a much better position to try these
> approaches, yet they never did it aggressively, in all the years I
> followed. The official twitter handles existed, but were rarely used to
> promote or do outreach in an aggressive manner, they have a moderate number
> of followers and links. I kind of appreciate that, it doesn't smell of
> desperation, makes certain things look reserved and official. I still wish
> they had slightly higher visibility and control over them, but that's jay's
> preference.
>

Hi Theo, If we are trying something in India that chaps in SF have not
concentrated on, i would not necessarily label it as a negative approach.
Gut instinct tells me that fb, twitter outreach might be more successful
here as we are riding the social wave with people just discovering and
exploring the new world that smartphones and 3g open out to them.

These platforms can easily extend the social collaboration that goes on in
wikipedia to an extended audience if done properly. What i think would be
useful way of measuring these things is to release statistics monthly on
the number of retweets or shares that could indicate the actual reach of
these outreach efforts. Util then however, this is nothing to boast about.


>
> Then comes the Indian staff, at the count of 4-5, I fail to see how
> re-inventing the wheel and venturing into a territory, better men didn't
> would be a smart approach. Is there something unique for FB within India?
> or a different platform that didn't exist universally, that might justify
> it. Does Social Media have to be a priority? You barely have a
> communications person writing emails, following up on meetings with the
> least bit of consistency, to have a quarter of the staff resources wasted
> on FB and twitter. I don't know who handles administrative work on staff,
> who handles reporting; the bulk of the official work and communications
> still appear to come from Hisham after almost an year. For example, I still
> recall the community meetings which were intended to become consistent and
> regular at one point, they just disappear for a few months, re-start and
> stop. There are other vital tasks that need to be performed at this stage
> by such a small team, rather than go into excursions in the wide world of
> "social media".
>
> Regards
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] With Due Regrets

[Arun Ganesh]

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Adethya Sudarsanan
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the responses.
>
> @Gautham : Thanks to u for ur swift responses.
>
> @Ashwin : Thanks, Ashwin Ji called directly and we had a small discussion
> about my concern.
>
> @Arun : Here is the link
> of
> the content I posted on Wikipedia for WikiConference India 2011, This is
> the link from where I fear the idea was taken. If you take a look @ the
> footer of the page, there is a line which specifies that the text present
> in the above page is linked with CC_License.
>

Thanks Adethya. While dealing with ideas, the instrument of rights control
is patents and design registrations. I'm afraid only the text of your idea
itself is covered by the creative commons license and not the idea or
thought which cannot be copyright. Hope that clears your doubt.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] With Due Regrets

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On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> On 28 May 2012 19:56, Adethya Sudarsanan  wrote:
>
> > As far as the issue - to put it plainly, I developed an idea to improve
> > educational sector using social media. But now I find that some
> organization
> > has adopted the similar methodology. I was just concerned to know if the
> > idea was taken from me. I am stating that my idea was stolen, but I have
> my
> > doubts.
>

It is indeed unfortunate that you feel someone stole your idea, but the
bright side is that if this idea is something that can benefit the
community at large and help improve the education in the country, then the
real winner is our economy :)

I am curious about the creative commons connection though. did you publish
your idea somewhere under a cc-by-sa license? If you can share what exactly
the license issue is, I would be happy to help, since I have dealt with a
lot of copyright violations of my own work.
cheers


>
> Well, it's entirely possible that they had the idea too, no? None of
> us have a monopoly on ideas and sometimes, more than one person has
> the same or similar idea at the same time. It's happened before.
>
> > I was confused over the commons license, and so I e-mailed "active"
> people
> > in the list. But there was no response.
>
> Maybe you should have tried the Creative Commons mailing lists? Or
> even posted her to ask for a general call for help. If nothing else,
> feel free to email me and I can try and help.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade

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On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:

> Hi Arun,
>
> In fact I am sorry. Sorry for taking the real bunter so seriously and
> personally, sorry for having a go at you.
>
> Guys here kept on convincing me that it was a joke, but I was blinded so
> much in my false anger. I really apologise for that. I have inly seen all
> serious discussions and allegations recently and from the very first day of
> joining this list, that I could simply not think that someone mught even
> joke here.
>
No problem, I totally understood why I could have been misunderstood. I
myself am scared to post on the India lists because it feels like I'm about
to enter combat with unknown assailants who strike wherever you are not
looking. These lists are meant to be for discussions on topics of our
interest and building online relationships with fellow contributors. If we
cant make it fun then what's the point of contributing?

Regarding the bug, I feel at sometime a decision should be taken to stop
active support for old browsers. We are still spending valuable development
time and effort on fixing issues such as these when we could be
concentrating on building stuff for the future. I can understand if there
are people using ie7 out of their own will, but from previous cases, it
does seem like a good chunk of users are in offices because of outdated IT
policy. The IT policy has to eventually see reason and change, so why cant
it be now? It will just make the world a better place :)
Arun
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade

[Arun Ganesh]

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:

> Yes Srikant, I am following the bug so am aware that its approaching
> closure.
>
> Arun,
>
> This email is for you, probably you might consider doing some research, as
> Srikant did, before making such silly comments on a wider forums. That
> could probably save others' time in advocating you.
>
 Dhaval, I apologize. I did not think that a little joke might have been
taken in this way. I tend to see problems at the source and I was just
wondering why nobody tries to get such strange policies revoked that force
people to use outdated technology. Sorry, once again, no offence meant :)
-Arun


> Regards,
> Dhaval
> On 11 May 2012 11:44, "Srikanth Lakshmanan"  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
>>
>>> Arun,
>>>
>>> Are you really in senses? If so, why don't you take my case?
>>>
>>> Mark/All,
>>>
>>> Please close this bug and don't do anything to resolve the issue, as
>>> someone in this world thinks its my personal problem. Please that smartest
>>> lot and close the bug.
>>>
>> Dhaval,
>>
>> As you would have got the update by now, a fix was made and bug is on its
>> way to closure (with a resolution.) post deployment[1].
>>
>> There is no need to take offense on Arun's comment. It probably came
>> because he was bothered more about the lack of choice at certain places
>> than the technicalities given that lot of us value freedom and choice.
>> Nonetheless, IE7 should still be supported as it still gets 4% (861 M) of
>> all page requests[2] to Wikimedia. There would be hundreds of people who
>> might have the choice but prefer to use IE7 as their choice for reasons up
>> to them and bugs are welcome on IE7 as long as its still in use and
>> supported by Microsoft.
>>
>> [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36275#c10
>> [2] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mediawiki version upgrade

[Arun Ganesh]

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:

> Yes Mark, it is the one. Will really appreciate if it is fixed ASAP!
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Mark A. Hershberger 
> wrote:
>
>>  On 05/10/2012 04:07 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote:
>>
>> There is already bug filed nearly a couple of weeks back, but no
>> resolution till date. It might be worth considering before moving to
>> upgrade if at all you think that people out there might still be using IE7
>> (like me) and they may need to edit.
>>
>> I think the right thing to do is to fix the policy at your workplace to
use another browser. this is a human right violation :)


>
>> Is this the bug?  "Edit tools and Narayam not working in gujarati wikis
>> (IE7) "
>>
>> I will try and get it fixed ASAP.
>>
>> --
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>> Bugmeister
>> Wikimedia foundation...@wikimedia.org
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Introduction - Arun

[Arun Ganesh]

Thanks Sundar and Logic, I was hoping to send a more informal intro here :)
To give you guys more details, I will be working with the foundation l10n
engineering team[1] four days a week as a user experience designer. During
my 6 month contract, I will be required to look into usability issues and
design a more user friendly interface for language tools, which are
currently not very simple to use for a complete newbie.

The Goal: Lower the entry barrier for non-english speakers to start using
and contributing to wikimedia projects.

Since work for the foundation is essentially public work and has an impact
on all of us, everyone is requested to keep track of our progress and give
feedback on our outputs to make it better. I'm still trying to figure out
what the best communication medium with everyone is, I think these lists
are too noisy and is ignored by a good bunch of people (including me). If
anyone has better ideas on what would be an appropriate channel to get
feedback on our outputs, please suggest.

You can track our work and progress in the following ways:
1) Current sprint progress and tasks [2]
2) Monthly updates and milestones [3]
2) Sprint demos every 2nd tuesday at 2030 IST (Next: May 15) [4]
3) Localisation team IRC office hours every 3rd wednesday of the month [5]

Logic is a regular at these events, and it would be great to see more faces
turn up and see the work behind the scenes to make wikipedia better. Its
also a great opportunity for those wanting to get involved in mediawiki
development to interact with some awesome coders and help you get started.

For my work, I will be needing a small group of indic language wikipedians
who are not familiar with English to get feedback on designs. I'm going to
rely on Logic for helping me out on this, if you can read this mail and you
know someone else, you can let srikanth know. I'll collect the names from
him later (thanks srikanth :))

I will probably not be posting anything technical here again. I think the
best is to have a wiki page and keep discussions/feedback there. I will
announce that system shortly.
Cheers,
Arun

[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Localization_team
[2]
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization_tools/status
[3]
https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/internationalization/cards?favorite_id=183&view=Task+Status+by+Owner(login:
guest / guest)
 [4] https://wikimedia.webex.com/ <https://wikimedia.webex.com/>
[5] http://webchat.freenode.net/ (chennel: wikimedia-office)

PS: a reminder about the upcoming hackathon in Bangalore that Yuvi and
Logic are putting together on May 19. There's tons of coll stuff you can
do, and its open to everyone.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bangalore_Hackathon_May_2012


On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:47 PM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote:

> Congrats Arun! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Sundar
>
> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
> for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
> - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
>
>   --
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> *To:* Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. <
> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:25 PM
> *Subject:* [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Introduction - Arun
>
> Congrats Arun!
>
> (Not that he needs introduction on this list)
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *Arun Ganesh* 
> Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:46 PM
> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Introduction - Arun
> To: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org, wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org
>
>
> Hi everyone,
> I wanted to introduce myself to the community and the WMF team, I'm Arun
> Ganesh (user:planemad)[1a] from Bangalore, India and have joined as
> contractor for the foundation's L10n team[1b] as an Interaction designer
> along with Pau to improve the user experience of language tools and
> features.
>
> I have been a longtime contributer to both commons[2] and the
> openstreetmap[3] project and got involved with foundation work during the
> Mumbai and Pune hackathons recently[4][5][6] where I proposed some of the
> first ideas for the Universal Language Selector widget with Brandon, with
> which we want to make language selection for anyone easy peasy.
>
> Apart from that, I love cartography and maps [7], which would explain my
> map contributions and the occasional headline for wikipedia [8], use only
> public transport[9] and traveling with my pocket camera[10].
>
> Its feels great to have this opportunity to work more seriously on a
> project which has been an important part of my life. I'm new here, I wont
> claim to know much, but I hope to make a difference in whichever way
> possible. I also look forward to in

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Question about outreach sessions

[Arun Ganesh]

While doing wikipedia/osm workshops, I make it a point to start with the
"Why am I doing this and what do I gain by being here" section. This lets
everyone understand what the open movement and community is about, and what
I personally gained/gain by being a part of it. After this, I let everyone
know that those who would like personal attention and help can move to the
front so that its easy for me to attend to them.

Personally, this has worked very well and also made people more interactive
rather than become a classroom type session.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, I have tried this method. Bala and I during the Coimbatore meetup
> in December, just said that the session would be more indepth compared
> to the previous one.
>
> --
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outreach at Itanagar

[Arun Ganesh]

I had the good fortune of accompanying Ashwin, where I conducted workshops
on the OpenStreetMap project [1]. It was a unique learning as well as a fun
experience to do this along with him.

These kind of outreach efforts, especially to less connected areas like the
northeast are extremely important and I hope more such events take place
for the students of that region. From what we could gauge, the level of
exposure to latest technological trends and especially the open source
movement is fairly limited. There seems to be no form of tech community or
any kind of activities taking place in the entire region with the possible
exception of IIT Guwahati. It was particularly sad to see that such a large
number of young and bright students who are so eager to learn have
absolutely no one to mentor them on the possibilities out there with
today's technology.

Ashwin and I managed to build a very good relationship with the students at
both NERIST and NIT Arunachal Pradesh. Apart from the wikipedia and osm
workshops, we also made sure we exposed the philosophies behind these open
projects and what FOSS is all about. I feel its our responsibilities as
ambassadors for these kind of projects to make sure that people can make
the connect between sharing, openness and the subsequent impact that this
has on each of our own lives, and not just limiting ourselves to 'how to
edit wikipedia'.

My personal opinion is that our outreach efforts should be less about power
point presentations and more about educating others on why we do this.
After all I'm sure a good portion of us wikipedians who love what we do
never learnt any of this by sitting through a lecture. We learnt it because
we were curious and somewhere found some meaning in taking the effort to
learn.

-Arun

PS: Is there any particular place where there is a collection of notes from
the different wiki academies in India? One understands a lot by conducting
these workshops and it would be nice if I could share that knowledge so
someone who wants to do it for the first time can be prepared to the kind
of questions and issues he will face. This will make it so much easier for
more people to give talks in other places.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad/Basic_cartography_workshop

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> I was lucky enough to get to go to Arunachal Pradesh. One of my
> friends, could not go to the Northeast Regional Institute of Science
> and Technology (NERIST) so he recommended me instead. The NERIST
> wanted a speaker on Wikipedia and he recommended me for which I am
> deeply grateful. They sent me an air ticket and off I went
>
> Please read the complete writeup & images at :
>
> http://thebutterflydiaries.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/outreach-in-itanagar/
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India: Wikipedia Takes Ahmedabad, January 2012

[Arun Ganesh]

Wow, great job guys! I feel bad I could not make it despite being in
ahmedabad due to some other commitments. i managed to do my small bit by
giving a talk to nid students encouraging them to upload their work to
commons :)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Commons being blocked in most places.

[Arun Ganesh]

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi,
>
> Commons was blocked in my college too. All it took for me to get it
> unblocked was a 25 min conversation with Head of IT dept. She did the
> needful to unblock Commons. Suggest talking to the college's/cyber
> cafe's network administrator first to unblocking websites.
>

This is the best way forward, the IT admin of colleges, cafes always have
the option of overriding default filter lists. Students/colleges should be
encouraged to get contact the admins and get commons/wikipedia unblocked
and have free unrestricted access just like the local intranet. it will
encourage using wikipedia as a reference and more students to contribute.

I remember i needed to pay to browse the web at my engg college. i had made
a request to make wikipedia free for access, but back at the time in 2005,
the admins did not take it seriously, times might have changed now.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

[Arun Ganesh]

I dug up the Indian fair use law and found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Fair_use#reproduction_in_a_newspaper

In this case, the aircraft had crashed and it was no longer possible to get
such a photograph, but can a newspaper otherwise just pick up any photo off
the internet and use it under fair use clause just to avoid paying
licensing fees of the photograph?

-arun

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> On 23 December 2011 21:43, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>  wrote:
>
> > Gautam, thank you for correcting me, but I believe Digitally Stealing
> > is also defined as Using Data Without Permission. Atleast that's the
> > definition Microsoft uses for their Windows Genuine campaign. Forgive
> > me if I'm wrong.
>
> Since when did Microsoft become the arbiter of all that is sacred in
> copyright law? :)
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What's in it for me?

[Arun Ganesh]

I stopped telling people to contribute a long time back. now i do a google
image search for 'indian grandmother' and tell the person thats my grandmom
in the first result. now they ask me how they can contribute.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Swaroop Rao wrote:

> I've faced this many times, and I think most of us who do outreach work
> have faced this. I've had people asking me first thing: "What's the pay
> like?". Its quite difficult to convince people who approach it with that
> mindset. I've not always succeeded, but what I usually do is tell them the
> example of English Wikipedia and its enormous reach; I go on saying "Hey,
> doesn't your son use Wikipedia for his assignment? Did you know its written
> by people like you and me? You can write too, and your knowledge will reach
> millions across the world".
>
> Sometimes, I encourage people to write about their Hometown, or upload
> pictures of it. Geography is one of the easier things to work on.
>
> Swaroop Rao
> (MikeLynch )
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 22:31, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry guys, looks like Google chopped off the bottom of my mail again.
>> What I said was, when I asked my friend to contribute to the Tamil
>> Media Contest, he told me- when I'm not getting paid for all my
>> photos, why should I upload? Anyone who's gone thru similar
>> experiences and can help me out?
>>
>> On 12/16/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:
>> > Heya all. I just wanted to share this quick mail with you and get your
>> > feedback. Over the past two years, I've actively been part of Wiki
>> > outreach efforts. Thru meetups, volunteering for the Bangalore
>> > Samskrit academy, trying to convince friends, classmates etc. I've had
>> > a lot of negative experiences with people askin me- What's in it for
>> > me? Mere liye kya hai? Ennaku enna kadaka porthu? I get laughed at
>> > when I say I'm doing gu voluntarily. Infact recently, when I tried to
>> > get a friend to contribute to our
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
>> > Sathyamangalam-Gobichettipalayam Star Gazers Gang, Ukkadam, Coimbatore.
>> > My Commons uploads, now exceeding 75.
>> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Rsrikanth05
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] third remaider to stop the mail.

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On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Vickram Crishna wrote:

> I think this instruction has been sent to this ID more than once.
>
> What is the practice with WP mailing lists elsewhere in the world, when
> listmembers persist in ignoring replies and continue to spam the list with
> unsubscribe requests? Can the member (in this case, an anonymous functionary
> of an NGO, apparently) concerned be put on 'moderate'? I do understand that
> unilateral banning is not a preferred option.
>
>
Rather than ban or moderate, isn't it wiser to just remove the email from
the list? after all, that is the request.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia in TN text books

[Arun Ganesh]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> On 29 September 2011 12:13, Vickram Crishna <
>
vvcris...@radiophony.com> wrote:
>
> > That is very interesting. Perhaps the WMF has some mechanism in place to
> go
> > to court?
>
> Court? that's a bit extreme. This opportunity can be leveraged to bring
some more awareness over creative commons license among government agencies.


> Perhaps a letter from the Chapter would be more appropriate?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia in TN text books

[Arun Ganesh]

We also have media from commons included in the textbooks:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arunganesh/6192169089/in/photostream

There's no mention or credit anywhere of course. Atleast we know that
wikipedia has been an important source for creating these books :)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WCI 2011 Registrations: SBI maestro payment not accepted

[Arun Ganesh]

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Abhilash S Unni wrote:

> Maestro card if I am not requires a PIN entry for each Merchant POS
> transaction. That might be the reason the transaction is failing for you.
>
Thanks Abhi, i just got it done successfully after clicking a series of
proceed and pay buttons and reaching a different payment gateway.

The first transaction attempt was through an ICICI PG, and although it had
an option for maestro cards, it asked for info which is not available on the
card. Leaving it blank fails the transaction. I have a feeling there will be
more people facing similar issues and not know how to proceed.

> Regards, Abhi
>
> Sent from my Hand Phone. Please excuse brevity and mistakes.
> On Sep 23, 2011 1:26 AM, "Arun Ganesh"  wrote:
> > Is anyone facing an issue paying with maestro SBI debit card?
> > I left the expiry date and cvv numbers blank (since SBI cards do not have
> > them) and transaction was rejected. Can someone confirm that it is a real
> > problem?
> >
> >
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[Wikimediaindia-l] WCI 2011 Registrations: SBI maestro payment not accepted

[Arun Ganesh]

Is anyone facing an issue paying with maestro SBI debit card?
I left the expiry date and cvv numbers blank (since SBI cards do not have
them) and transaction was rejected. Can someone confirm that it is a real
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] unsubscribe your mail.

[Arun Ganesh]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:13 PM,  wrote:

 Kindly use the link at the bottom of the page to unsubscribe yourself.
>
> Requesting all those who want to unsubscribe to do so themselves via the
> link at the bottom of each email from the list and STOP sending such
> requests to the entire list.
>

I feel this is more of a usability problem than people being lazy, going by
the number of such mails. Maybe a modified footer might help?

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

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On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:23, Jayanta Nath  wrote:
>
>> This kind of mail should not be accepted.
>>
>>
> The problem is people giving list addresses and going ahead to verify
> them(I dont know how they did). So If anyone sends a invite to Moksh Juneja,
> it will reach list. It was someother guy sometime back, I dont know how many
> others have used list id in primary contact of linkedin profile(Why would
> anyone do that ?) LinkedIn support was contacted and there was no help. The
> problem is list members using list ID on their profiles :| Nothing can be
> done.
>
>
Can mailman not be configured to automatically reject such mails? There has
to be someone somewhere on the wikimedia tech team who can fix this.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Please change it - Indian Maps on Wikipedia

[Arun Ganesh]

Best would be to tell him to correct it if it is wrong, in true wikipedia
spirit :)

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:10 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
wrote:

> My only intention was to ask the community on how to handle such mails or
> request.
>
> -TC
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:59 PM, sankarshan 
> wrote:
>
>> 2011/7/25 CherianTinu Abraham :
>> > Interesting "Warning" given to me by mail ! Did somebody told him that I
>> own
>> > Wikipedia ? ;)
>>
>> Is there a catch all address where the group/organization/chapter
>> members can handle these kind of emails rather than forwarding them to
>> the list ? I don't specifically have anything against the usage of the
>> list archive to track these but having a single alias/address to
>> forward them to might be a helpful thing.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Offline Opportunity: ~20k laptops to reach potentially 200k people: Need Help!

[Arun Ganesh]

There's a slightly more nuttier scheme brewing in the south, where 900,000
laptops are going to be distributed to students next year [1]. Let me see if
i can access someone in the TN govt regarding this.
-Arun

[1]
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/free-laptops-will-have-tn-logo-burnt-on-chips/160602-60-118.html

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ‘Kanaja’ now accessible for the blind too.. How about wikipedia?

[Arun Ganesh]

He was from this group called Third Eye in Chennai  http://thirdeyetvg.com .
They support student volunteers to develop accessible technology.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:

> During the chennai meetup, one gentlemen had told us people from
> blind-user-group do access Tamil Wikipedia through a screen reading software
> they have and it was pleasant news to us.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Hindu : "Now, copyright-free maps of States, districts, panchayats"

[Arun Ganesh]

The malayalam wikipedia community never fails to impress, awesome initiative
guys!
Do see if you can get access to the actual GIS shapefiles from the
government departments. It will make the effort a lot more scalable and
allow superimposing other thematic data easier.

Nonetheless, its a great way to become a good at inkscape, thats how i did
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: National Flag of India

[Arun Ganesh]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> AFAIK the limitation applies only toi:
>
> "...trade, business, certain calling or profession, or in the title of
> any patent, or in any trade mark or design"
>
> This is not the case here so it should be fine.
>
>
It also says:

> The authorship, production, publication, exhibition or transmission by any
> medium for academic, artistic, biographical, cultural, educational,
> scientific or spiritual purposes *with the previous permission of the
> Central Government* and subject to such conditions as the Central
> Government may lay down while granting such permission
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: National Flag of India

[Arun Ganesh]

Just got this from an advocate in Rajasthan High Court. Can the image be
deleted?

-- Forwarded message --
From: S P Singh 
Date: Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM
Subject: National Flag of India
To: arun.plane...@gmail.com


Sir


The picture of map of India with the chakra placed in the middle in
wilipedia by you needs the careful study of the following

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IndianStub.png

THE EMBLEMS AND NAMES (PREVENTION OF IMPROPER USE) ACT, 1950

Section 3. Notwithstanding anything contained in any law for the time being
in force, no person of improper shall, except in such cases and under such
conditions as may be prescribed by the use of Central Government, use, or
continue to use, for the purpose of any trade, business, certain calling or
profession, or in the title of any patent, or in any trade mark or design
any name emblems and or emblem specified in the Schedule or any colourable
imitation thereof without the names. previous permission of the Central
Government or of such officer or Government as may be authorised in this
behalf by the Central Government.


EMBLEMS & NAMES (PREVENTION OF IMPROPER USE) RULES 1982

Rule 8. Use of emblems and names contained in the Schedule ?No person shall
use or continue to use, for the purpose of any trade, business, calling or
profession, or in the title of any patent, or any trademark or design, any
name or emblem specified in the Schedule or any colourable imitation thereof
without the previous permission of the Central Government or of such officer
of the Government as may be authorized in this behalf by the Central
Government


(5) The authorship, production, publication, exhibition or transmission by
any medium for academic, artistic, biographical, cultural, educational,
scientific or spiritual purposes with the previous permission of the Central
Government and subject to such conditions as the Central Government may lay
down while granting such permission.

THE SCHEDULE
(see Sections 2 (a) and 3)

3.The Indian National Flag.

16.The names ?Ashoka Chakra? or ?Dharma Chakra? or the pictorial
representation of Ashoka Chakra as used in the Indian National Flag or in
the official seal or emblem of the Government of India or of any State
Government or of a Department of any such Government.

Regards

Surya Pratap Singh Rajawat


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Government plans to "regulate" blogs and user generated content.

[Arun Ganesh]

This is such a shame. And once again, the government's favorite line makes
an appearance in the draft:

*3.2 (j) threatens the unity, integrity, defence, security or sovereignty of
India,
friendly relations with foreign states, or or public order or causes
incitement to the commission of any cognisable offence or prevents
investigation of any offence or is insulting any other nation.
*
*
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I was left wondering what happens if the passing of this bill causes large
scale public unrest leading to people comitting cognisable offenses?*
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India map and indian laws

[Arun Ganesh]

As someone who created many of the Indian maps on wikipedia, this is a
serious issue which needs a decision as it has been in the gray for quite a
while. I have stopped my contribution of Indian maps ever since i realized
that my work could have legal repercussions. For now, all the maps come with
an explanation of the depiction of the borders and a disclaimer that it may
not conform to local laws.

Specimen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:India_map_blank.svg

This is an issue which requires someone with sound legal knowledge to solve,
something for the chapter to take up. Let us not forget that we are creating
a repository of knowledge, if wikipedia ever hid the truth for the sake of
being politically correct, the whole project is pointless.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WikiX-l] India specific Designs / Artwork for Wikipedia 10

[Arun Ganesh]

I really wish i could contribute using graphics, but due to my fracture, my
current work area not been very conducive to using the mouse. I did manage
to discover that one of my classmates had made a couple of wikipedia posters
(by hand!) during while doing her BFA and it looks amazing. I am trying to
get it scanned and processed for a print but it wont be possible before
tomorrow night.

I'l send across a couple of pics of it by tonight.
cheers
arun

2011/1/12 shirish शिरीष 

> In-line :-
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 16:42, Swapnil Narendra
>  wrote:
> > Hi all,
>
> Hi Swapnil,
>
> > I use Ubuntu and thus I work on GIMP. So I dont know how to create .SVG
> > files. How about if I send you after converting them into .PSD files and
> > then you can convert them into .SVG. Or you can tell me how to make .SVG
> > files and I will send all the files again after converting them.
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong. From what I read above you are using
> gimp. IIRC GIMP does it in .xcf format. You just need to install
> imagemagick http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php and
> convert/export it to the same.
>
>
> http://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php?ImageMagick=4fvsbsbhh27m20nbeg1t1s8a84
>
> Alternatively you can import them into inkscape (install inkscape) and
> convert them into .svg as well.
>
> Either way should be good.
>
> I did try out imagemagick couple of years ago for something similar
> and it worked out for me at that time.
>
> > Thanks.
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Swapnil Narendra
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Note on Wikimedia stall at FOSS.in

[Arun Ganesh]

hah, thanks guys, im always ready to help if i'm free. luckily i was :)

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Anirudh Bhati wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Arun.  I really appreciate your help and work at the FOSS.in
>> stall.  We got a great response and it wouldn't have been possible
>> without you.  Thanks again for your time. :)
>
>
> True!
>
> Kudos to Planemad. :-)
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Note on Wikimedia stall at FOSS.in

[Arun Ganesh]

I have updated it with feedback and other findings while manning the stall.



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Renumbering of National Highways of India

[Arun Ganesh]

I am making a map of the renumbered highway network, you can see the draft
of it here http://www.flickr.com/photos/arunganesh/4996257774/

I still have a few things to fix after which i'll have it on the commons.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar  wrote:

> FYI
>
> Train numbers are also going to be changed now. 4 digit nos to be
> changed to 5 digits.
> That is going to be a comparatively easy task as "1" to be added
> before the current number.
>
> So, be prepared to change that information also.
>
> -Sudhanwa
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Shiju Alex 
> wrote:
> > Dear wikimedians,
> >
> > There is an order from Govt. of India that came out some time in 2010
> April
> > about renumbering the national highways of India. It is
> > here:
> http://dorth.gov.in/writereaddata/sublinkimages/finaldoc6143316640.pdf
> >
> > This has an impact on all wikipedias (including all Indian language
> > wikipedias) that have articles about  Indian national highways.
> >
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian flag standards

[Arun Ganesh]

Yea, not a prob. I'll buy it on Monday morning and you can pick it up
whenever its convenient.

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Arun, I have a scanner, and I can travel to YPR to pick it up.
> Is that okay?
>
> On 17 April 2010 19:27, Arun Ganesh  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Gautam John wrote:
>>
>>> What I find particularly priceless is that this is the Bureau of
>>> Indian *STANDARDS*! :0
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Gautam
>>> 
>>> http://social.prathambooks.org/
>>>
>>
>> Hehe, will go to their office on Monday. I dont have a scanner though,
>> hopefully its just a couple of pages and i can photograph it across.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian flag standards

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On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> What I find particularly priceless is that this is the Bureau of
> Indian *STANDARDS*! :0
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> 
> http://social.prathambooks.org/
>

Hehe, will go to their office on Monday. I dont have a scanner though,
hopefully its just a couple of pages and i can photograph it across.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian flag standards

[Arun Ganesh]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> On 16 April 2010 12:39, Zachary Harden  wrote:
>
> > To improve the accuracy on the sections dealing with the construction of
> > the flag. Most importantly to me, the SVG file of the Indian flag will be
> > corrected based on these documents. The files will not be hosted on
> > Wikipedia proper because of copyright, but will be used as reference
> > guides.
>
> That makes sense. Do you need all three or will the first one, which
> is the most common construction, Cotton/Khadi, suffice?
>


The Bangalore BIS office is across the road from where i study, if anything
is to be picked up personally, let me know.
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