[WISPA] Fwd: solar site
Ooops. That should read you're probably using batteries that aren't made to deep cycle often Greg Begin forwarded message: From: os10ru...@gmail.com Date: August 27, 2009 12:51:32 AM GMT-04:30 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Don't forget that there is some inefficiency in the battery and some self discharge. So you don't get a watt out for every watt in. Also don't forget that if you're doing this on a budget you're probably using batteries which are made to deep cycle often so they won't last long if being discharged often below the 80% full charge level (you shouldn't plan on using more than 20% of the battery's capability regularly). Your no sun calculation of 33.3 days run time might be accurate, but you should probably figure 33.3 * .2 = 6.66 days is the max amount of no sun time you'd consider your system is built for, knowing in an emergency you could run longer but by taking a toll on your batteries. 6.66 days of no sun is still a lot and wouldn't happen often so you're probably still OK. It's always worth it to over-engineer a solar system on both the panels and the batteries. Also some solar panel manufacturers are a bit optimistic in their wattage rating. Also solar panels act like constant current generators putting out a more or less constant current over a range of voltage. A panel that puts out 2 amps will give 2 amps into a battery that's 11.5 volts or 14 volts (if the panel's Voc is high enough to still deliver it's 2 amps into a 14 volt battery) and though technically it's more wattage at 14 volts I believe that as far as the batteries are concerned the 2 amps is the number that matters, not that wattage. It's better to figure by amps and not watts, and to use actual measured amperage and not the manufacturers numbers (short circuit current or max working current). Greg On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Mike wrote: I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
I'd want to see that graph dropping off sooner, perhaps finishing the charging by about 1pm. Is your charge controller a 3 stage charger (bulk, absorb, float) or some approximation? It looks like your batteries might just be getting full when the sun is going down. Was that a clear sky day? How long has that site been in service? Are you getting a good lifespan out of the batteries? Greg On Aug 27, 2009, at 1:22 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Here is the graph straight from the charge monitor for our solar panels, to give you an idea what the charging pattern looks like. This is for a pair of 60w panels. http://www.thelar.com/gallery2/v/Wireless/Hogback/ graph_image1.png.html Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Christopher Erickson wrote: First, the Sun never shines 24 hours in a day unless you are above the Arctic circle. And even then, that only happens for a few days of the year. Second, there isn't much charging going on when the Sun is near the horizon, which is most of the time when in Northern latitudes. For example, an 80 watt panel will NEVER output 80 watts in Anchorage, Alaska because even at solar noon in the summer, the Sun is only around 60 degrees up in the sky. And below about 25 degrees, there isn't any charging going on at all. So anyway think of an amperage sine wave that builds up in the morning, peaks at solar noon and then diminishes in the afternoon. The math is more complicated than it first appears. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Exactly. But I think he meant that in a 33 day period he only needed 24 hours of sun which comes out to be less than an hour a day. I think his math is flawed (perhaps calculating watts instead of watt hours) but I think that's what he meant. Getting 24 hours of sun in a 33 day period is probably doable even in Seattle but it's the wrong calculation. I think he needs a lot more than 24 hours of sun in a 33 day period. Greg On Aug 27, 2009, at 1:27 AM, Christopher Erickson wrote: Could be but that isn't right either. 24 hours of daylight is not the same as 24 hours of full current charging. The Sun rises and the Sun sets. Latitude and seasons aside, an 80 watt panel is only going to give about 450 watt-hours a day at absolute best. -Christopher Erickson -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I don't think his 24 hours of sun number meant in one 24 hour period. I think he meant 24 hours of sun cumulative over 33 days. No? Greg On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Christopher Erickson wrote: First, the Sun never shines 24 hours in a day unless you are above the Arctic circle. And even then, that only happens for a few days of the year. Second, there isn't much charging going on when the Sun is near the horizon, which is most of the time when in Northern latitudes. For example, an 80 watt panel will NEVER output 80 watts in Anchorage, Alaska because even at solar noon in the summer, the Sun is only around 60 degrees up in the sky. And below about 25 degrees, there isn't any charging going on at all. So anyway think of an amperage sine wave that builds up in the morning, peaks at solar noon and then diminishes in the afternoon. The math is more complicated than it first appears. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
The way I understood it was if out of 799.2 hour span (33.3 days * 24 hours/day) there was 24 hours of sunlight. Meaning for every ~800 hours at least 24 of them the sun was in the air hitting the solar panel. The other 776 was darkness. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Could be but that isn't right either. 24 hours of daylight is not the same as 24 hours of full current charging. The Sun rises and the Sun sets. Latitude and seasons aside, an 80 watt panel is only going to give about 450 watt-hours a day at absolute best. -Christopher Erickson -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I don't think his 24 hours of sun number meant in one 24 hour period. I think he meant 24 hours of sun cumulative over 33 days. No? Greg On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Christopher Erickson wrote: First, the Sun never shines 24 hours in a day unless you are above the Arctic circle. And even then, that only happens for a few days of the year. Second, there isn't much charging going on when the Sun is near the horizon, which is most of the time when in Northern latitudes. For example, an 80 watt panel will NEVER output 80 watts in Anchorage, Alaska because even at solar noon in the summer, the Sun is only around 60 degrees up in the sky. And below about 25 degrees, there isn't any charging going on at all. So anyway think of an amperage sine wave that builds up in the morning, peaks at solar noon and then diminishes in the afternoon. The math is more complicated than it first appears. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Chuck, Current and average are int he 100s yet max is 5.7? When in the world could the amps be 127 or 929?! Secondly, how are the amps negative? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We're in KY. I'm still not convinced if we are in the right location for solar vs utility company. Getting an electrical drop depends on the location, but if you can I think it is worth going that route rather than putting in solar. You will have less long term headaches. These two graphs represent the solar output of two sites. One needs another solar panel to keep up (it has a windmill, but that isn't helping enough), but the other seems to be ok. As you can see we have full sun at one location approximately 7hrs per day (too many trees), and at the other location it's more like 10 hrs. I highly recommend you be prepared to do some type of monitoring like this if you do solar. That way you know if you are going to lose power. We also monitor current voltage level as well. We use 24V at all our locations. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
When it is in the negative, we are not generating enough solar power to power the equipment. I think it is a -.97844, and an average of -.15677. Like I said, at that site where it is negative we have to go and charge the batteries with a generator every so often. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Chuck, Current and average are int he 100s yet max is 5.7? When in the world could the amps be 127 or 929?! Secondly, how are the amps negative? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We're in KY. I'm still not convinced if we are in the right location for solar vs utility company. Getting an electrical drop depends on the location, but if you can I think it is worth going that route rather than putting in solar. You will have less long term headaches. These two graphs represent the solar output of two sites. One needs another solar panel to keep up (it has a windmill, but that isn't helping enough), but the other seems to be ok. As you can see we have full sun at one location approximately 7hrs per day (too many trees), and at the other location it's more like 10 hrs. I highly recommend you be prepared to do some type of monitoring like this if you do solar. That way you know if you are going to lose power. We also monitor current voltage level as well. We use 24V at all our locations. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WaveRider 3000 CCU
I have a customer with one of these and they just want the RouterOS box in front of it to pass DHCP out. Simple BRIDGE as easy as pie, anyone have any docs, suggestions on how to make this thing work? --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] a better bit-torrent?
jp wrote: About time. torrent has to be about the most inefficient way to share data; blindly transferring stuff from the ends of the Internet instead of from localized or centralized sources which are always faster and cheaper per meg. To the end-user, bandwidth is bandwidth, doesn't matter where it comes from. (At least in the context of, say, a torrent application, where latency isn't an important factor.) For me, improvement would be a BitTorrent client that didn't completely thrash a wireless AP with its insistence on running up five hundred packets-per-second, eating up the radio time and making other customers on that AP call me to complain. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WaveRider 3000 CCU
Dennis Burgess wrote: I have a customer with one of these and they just want the RouterOS box in front of it to pass DHCP out. Simple BRIDGE as easy as pie, anyone have any docs, suggestions on how to make this thing work? I think you're looking for the protocol command. Probably protocol through (your other choices are routed and switched). David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Back when I was doing the WISP thing, I used rohn tripods, and galvanized conduit. Anything poles over 10 feet or with high winds, I used some guy wires. That worked really well. -- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
Redline AN-80i -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:42 AM To: 'Joe Miller'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ttp://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Redline immediately by email at postmas...@redlinecommunications.com. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
With the minimal wind load of Canopy I would say you'd be all right on the roof but I've only done this on the ground. Take a smaller diameter pipe, drill two perpendicular holes through each (use a hose clamp to hold it in place) and then bolt it tight. That gives you a free 8 foot as long as you use a 10 foot pole - more then what I've ever needed. This solution is what I use for when the corn gets that extra foot or two during the spring. Typically one or two customers a year. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com wrote: Back when I was doing the WISP thing, I used rohn tripods, and galvanized conduit. Anything poles over 10 feet or with high winds, I used some guy wires. That worked really well. -- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
Wait what application are we even trying to solve... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote: Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Just a thought on that. I don't know where else they would be getting that data from unless they are just pulling it out of the air. With what I've got in the air right now I could do up to 15meg down. With the newer gear coming out we'll be able to do even more than that. Kinda irks me I guess. Victoria, did you get in on the Missouri Broadband Initiative? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps They are not getting it from my form 477. The only 1 Mbps service we offer is upload and that is with a 5 Mbps download. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
They are also, not saying we can't deliver more than 1 Mbps, just that the speed is around 1 Mbps. How many WISPs provide residential service at speeds greater than 1 Mb? Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/64096486706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, Right, but the problem is most WISPs do not fill out the Form 477 so what data do they have to go off. I have heard there are over 3,000 to 4,000 WISPs in the US, but only 400ish filled it out in 2008. That is what the FCC engineer said when I was speaking at the FCC. We cannot go to the FCC crying we need more spectrum or more power because we provide XX millions of customers service, if the form they REQUIRE us to fill out says we only have hundreds of thousands of customers. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
I do - up to 10meg for residential where I got 5Ghz LOS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps They are also, not saying we can't deliver more than 1 Mbps, just that the speed is around 1 Mbps. How many WISPs provide residential service at speeds greater than 1 Mb? Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/640964 86706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, Right, but the problem is most WISPs do not fill out the Form 477 so what data do they have to go off. I have heard there are over 3,000 to 4,000 WISPs in the US, but only 400ish filled it out in 2008. That is what the FCC engineer said when I was speaking at the FCC. We cannot go to the FCC crying we need more spectrum or more power because we provide XX millions of customers service, if the form they REQUIRE us to fill out says we only have hundreds of thousands of customers. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Maybe 5 years ago. Not now. How old is this info they are getting Not a surprise though. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
YMMV, but I've had them out in high winds in excess of 40 miles an hour with 2 parbolics on 1 10 foot section of 2 inch EMT. But it is soft, so you might want to get heavier pipe for piece of mind -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Bingo! When I asked them about this at the NTIA Memphis meeting, they acknowledged that this is old data. Shouldn't WISPA get involved here? I have written my response to them. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Maybe 5 years ago. Not now. How old is this info they are getting Not a surprise though. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Ya... me too... I offer "up to 100Mbps download by 1500Mbps upload". :) Gotta love "up to" services. Next time you are in Walmart buying milk, see if you can buy "up to" a gallon. ;) Travis Microserv Jason Hensley wrote: I do - up to 10meg for residential where I got 5Ghz LOS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps They are also, not saying we can't deliver more than 1 Mbps, just that the speed is around 1 Mbps. How many WISPs provide residential service at speeds greater than 1 Mb? Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/640964 86706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, Right, but the problem is most WISPs do not fill out the Form 477 so what data do they have to go off. I have heard there are over 3,000 to 4,000 WISPs in the US, but only 400ish filled it out in 2008. That is what the FCC engineer said when I was speaking at the FCC. We cannot go to the FCC crying we need more spectrum or more power because we provide XX millions of customers service, if the form they REQUIRE us to fill out says we only have hundreds of thousands of customers. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the "raw" 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: "Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks." http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Those customers on 900 are typically 1mbps or less. If they're out in the middle of nowhere, what's better - dial-up out that way or that meesly 1 mbps? I really wish we had a new term for broadband or high speed Internet access. Think about it - DSL, cable, WISPs, Satellite, HSPA/etc aircards. They're all broadband, but is the experience similar? DSL - minimal bandwidth maximum throughput, but no real problems Cable - some cities are 50 mbps, other places are 2 mbps. Around here cable is useless during the vacation times with mere 2 or 4 mbps connections! (kids get off school and AIM down the OC3). Perhaps all areas aren't oversubscribed to the masses, but it certainly is here. I can't imagine what happens when the 50 meg kids start torrenting during vacations - two of them fills an entire OC3!!! WISPs - you get what you pay for, perhaps more? I would rather have 512kbps and get 512kbps on low latency (better for TCP/IP) then have a 2 mbps circuit Satellite - Really? High-speed? I choose dial-up over this. How many WISPs here have had a customer go from Hughesnet or Wildblue to your service and gone wee doggy that there innernet is fast (or comparable). I had two instances just last Friday. HSPA - I have it on my laptop. It's $60/mo. Works when I'm in a city, which is nice if I'm vacationing across town or in a park near a city (PowerCode salesguy had it, worked well in an Indianapolis hotel). Out in the boonies where my customers are? If it does work, it is ridiculously slow - and I'm using SSH and mstsc for comparison. Web is useless out in the boonies. Note - I find it very surprising that Wildblue didn't want their satellite back. I thought all satellite companies would want their gear due to the cost. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Ya... me too... I offer up to 100Mbps download by 1500Mbps upload. :) Gotta love up to services. Next time you are in Walmart buying milk, see if you can buy up to a gallon. ;) Travis Microserv Jason Hensley wrote: I do - up to 10meg for residential where I got 5Ghz LOS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps They are also, not saying we can't deliver more than 1 Mbps, just that the speed is around 1 Mbps. How many WISPs provide residential service at speeds greater than 1 Mb? Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/640964 86706?ref=ts http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/64096486706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, Right, but the problem is most WISPs do not fill out the Form 477 so what data do they have to go off. I have heard there are over 3,000 to 4,000 WISPs in the US, but only 400ish filled it out in 2008. That is what the FCC engineer said when I was speaking at the FCC. We cannot go to the FCC crying we need more spectrum or more power because we provide XX millions of customers service, if the form they REQUIRE us to fill out says we only have hundreds of thousands of customers. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight
Re: [WISPA] solar site
I think that's why they developed the sun hour maps I referenced earlier. They just tell you what to expect in your area for sun hours a day. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Could be but that isn't right either. 24 hours of daylight is not the same as 24 hours of full current charging. The Sun rises and the Sun sets. Latitude and seasons aside, an 80 watt panel is only going to give about 450 watt-hours a day at absolute best. -Christopher Erickson -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I don't think his 24 hours of sun number meant in one 24 hour period. I think he meant 24 hours of sun cumulative over 33 days. No? Greg On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Christopher Erickson wrote: First, the Sun never shines 24 hours in a day unless you are above the Arctic circle. And even then, that only happens for a few days of the year. Second, there isn't much charging going on when the Sun is near the horizon, which is most of the time when in Northern latitudes. For example, an 80 watt panel will NEVER output 80 watts in Anchorage, Alaska because even at solar noon in the summer, the Sun is only around 60 degrees up in the sky. And below about 25 degrees, there isn't any charging going on at all. So anyway think of an amperage sine wave that builds up in the morning, peaks at solar noon and then diminishes in the afternoon. The math is more complicated than it first appears. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
The 2 would be good for that, it's a big solid item. But the setup this guy uses is 1.25 with a 1 inside of it going up 8 feet. A 2 up that high would be strong enough I suspect but a 1 would give out quickly I bet. Would work well with a NS or something small, like a yagi or a small grid. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Rice Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions YMMV, but I've had them out in high winds in excess of 40 miles an hour with 2 parbolics on 1 10 foot section of 2 inch EMT. But it is soft, so you might want to get heavier pipe for piece of mind -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Hehe - no, I don't advertise it like that. They get the 10Mbps. What I meant by up to is that I have plans ranging from 768k to 10Mbps. My 10meg customers average 9-10 meg down and 8 or so up. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Ya... me too... I offer up to 100Mbps download by 1500Mbps upload. :) Gotta love up to services. Next time you are in Walmart buying milk, see if you can buy up to a gallon. ;) Travis Microserv Jason Hensley wrote: I do - up to 10meg for residential where I got 5Ghz LOS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps They are also, not saying we can't deliver more than 1 Mbps, just that the speed is around 1 Mbps. How many WISPs provide residential service at speeds greater than 1 Mb? Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/640964 86706?ref=ts http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/640964 86706?ref=ts http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/640964 86706?ref=ts or follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, Right, but the problem is most WISPs do not fill out the Form 477 so what data do they have to go off. I have heard there are over 3,000 to 4,000 WISPs in the US, but only 400ish filled it out in 2008. That is what the FCC engineer said when I was speaking at the FCC. We cannot go to the FCC crying we need more spectrum or more power because we provide XX millions of customers service, if the form they REQUIRE us to fill out says we only have hundreds of thousands of customers. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
So we should provide old internet. Internet Classic. Sounds good. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Bingo! When I asked them about this at the NTIA Memphis meeting, they acknowledged that this is old data. Shouldn't WISPA get involved here? I have written my response to them. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Maybe 5 years ago. Not now. How old is this info they are getting Not a surprise though. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Wireless DSL is the term we use in our sessions around the world -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Those customers on 900 are typically 1mbps or less. If they're out in the middle of nowhere, what's better - dial-up out that way or that meesly 1 mbps? I really wish we had a new term for broadband or high speed Internet access. Think about it - DSL, cable, WISPs, Satellite, HSPA/etc aircards. They're all broadband, but is the experience similar? DSL - minimal bandwidth maximum throughput, but no real problems Cable - some cities are 50 mbps, other places are 2 mbps. Around here cable is useless during the vacation times with mere 2 or 4 mbps connections! (kids get off school and AIM down the OC3). Perhaps all areas aren't oversubscribed to the masses, but it certainly is here. I can't imagine what happens when the 50 meg kids start torrenting during vacations - two of them fills an entire OC3!!! WISPs - you get what you pay for, perhaps more? I would rather have 512kbps and get 512kbps on low latency (better for TCP/IP) then have a 2 mbps circuit Satellite - Really? High-speed? I choose dial-up over this. How many WISPs here have had a customer go from Hughesnet or Wildblue to your service and gone wee doggy that there innernet is fast (or comparable). I had two instances just last Friday. HSPA - I have it on my laptop. It's $60/mo. Works when I'm in a city, which is nice if I'm vacationing across town or in a park near a city (PowerCode salesguy had it, worked well in an Indianapolis hotel). Out in the boonies where my customers are? If it does work, it is ridiculously slow - and I'm using SSH and mstsc for comparison. Web is useless out in the boonies. Note - I find it very surprising that Wildblue didn't want their satellite back. I thought all satellite companies would want their gear due to the cost. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Ya... me too... I offer up to 100Mbps download by 1500Mbps upload. :) Gotta love up to services. Next time you are in Walmart buying milk, see if you can buy up to a gallon. ;) Travis Microserv Jason Hensley wrote: I do - up to 10meg for residential where I got 5Ghz LOS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Martha Huizenga Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps They are also, not saying we can't deliver more than 1 Mbps, just that the speed is around 1 Mbps. How many WISPs provide residential service at speeds greater than 1 Mb? Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/640964 86706?ref=ts http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/64096486706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, Right, but the problem is most WISPs do not fill out the Form 477 so what data do they have to go off. I have heard there are over 3,000 to 4,000 WISPs in the US, but only 400ish filled it out in 2008. That is what the FCC engineer said when I was speaking at the FCC. We cannot go to the FCC crying we need more spectrum or more power because we provide XX millions of customers service, if the form they REQUIRE us to fill out says we only have hundreds of thousands of customers. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP - Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Wait what application are we even trying to solve... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote: Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
I wouldn't get too worked up. Look at what they say the other speeds are. They're closer on our speeds than they are on cable or DSL. If you inspire them too much, they'll up the speeds for cable and DSL as well, making us look worse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
It reminds me of the farm I was at the other day at dinner time. The pigs were all fighting for food at the trough. They really go at it! -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Mike, I am sorry, but that is silly. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps I wouldn't get too worked up. Look at what they say the other speeds are. They're closer on our speeds than they are on cable or DSL. If you inspire them too much, they'll up the speeds for cable and DSL as well, making us look worse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
I think Google should invent a website speed test app like they did for torrents - http://www.measurementlab.net/ What do people care most about online? The web (AKA the internet). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Hi Victoria, The FCC Workship 1 Mbps statement is very, very generalized. It's nothing to get upset about. If we want the FCC to update their knowledge about WISPs then we need to educate the FCC. We DO educate them with every FCC filing and presentation that we make. In the last year, we've made about a dozen written filings plus an in-person presentations to four of the five previous FCC Commissioners and to the FCC OET staff. Keep in mind that everything we write or present becomes a part of the public record. WISPA's FCC Committee is working on writing and filing FCC Comments right now, at this very moment. This filing is in response to an FCC Notice of Inquiry (NOI) about advanced telecommunications services and broadband. The NOI asks whether broadband is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. The NOI asks five core questions. (1) How should we define “advanced telecommunications capability” or “broadband?” *(NOTE: The FCC is asking about speed here)* (2) Is broadband available to all Americans? (3) Is the current level of broadband deployment reasonable and timely? (4) What actions, if any, should the Commission take to accelerate broadband deployment? (5) What actions should the Commission take to improve its regular broadband data collection efforts? We've got to be a little careful about how we ask the FCC to define broadband because: 1. If we set the bar too high, for example by saying that broadband is 5 Mbps or more then we risk excluding WISPs who do not provide at least 5 Mbps. They may not be eligible for funding or may not even be considered legitimate WISPs. 2. Some WISPs do not understand the difference between raw data rate and actual throughput and we don't want one WISP's lack of understanding to distort the FCC's definitions of broadband. 3. Some WISPs do not understand that throughput is shared between all of the active customers on an AP at any given moment. Even if an AP is capable of delivering 10 Mbps of actual throughput, when 30 customers are active then less than 333k (10 Meg divided by 30) is available to each customer, sometimes far less. We don't want to let the fact that available throughput per customer is usually less than the maximum single-customer throughput to distort the FCC's definition of broadband. In conclusion, I think it's better to let the FCC set the broadband bar a little low so we have a chance to demonstrate that we can sometimes exceed it rather than let some WISP who is bragging about speeds that he may or may actually be able to deliver cause the FCC to set the broadband bar too high so that the FCC writes unrealistic regulations (or the NITA and RUS originate unrealistic grant programs) that either ignore or exclude the needs of the majority of WISPs. Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee St. Louis Broadband wrote: They are not getting it from my form 477. The only 1 Mbps service we offer is upload and that is with a 5 Mbps download. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
What was the problem? I don't believe it was ever said. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP - Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Wait what application are we even trying to solve... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote: Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Hi Victoria, The FCC Workship "1 Mbps" statement is very, very generalized. It's nothing to get upset about. If we want the FCC to update their knowledge about WISPs then we need to educate the FCC. We DO educate them with every FCC filing and presentation that we make. In the last year, we've made about a dozen written filings plus an in-person presentations to four of the five previous FCC Commissioners and to the FCC OET staff. Keep in mind that everything we write or present becomes a part of the public record. WISPA's FCC Committee is working on writing and filing FCC Comments right now, at this very moment. This filing is in response to an FCC "Notice of Inquiry" (NOI) about "advanced telecommunications services" and "broadband". The NOI asks whether broadband is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. The NOI asks five "core questions". (1) How should we define advanced telecommunications capability or broadband? (NOTE: The FCC is asking about "speed" here) (2) Is broadband available to all Americans? (3) Is the current level of broadband deployment reasonable and timely? (4) What actions, if any, should the Commission take to accelerate broadband deployment? (5) What actions should the Commission take to improve its regular broadband data collection efforts? We've got to be a little careful about how we ask the FCC to define broadband because: 1. If we set the bar too high, for example by saying that "broadband" is 5 Mbps or more then we risk excluding WISPs who do not provide at least 5 Mbps. They may not be eligible for funding or may not even be considered legitimate WISPs. 2. Some WISPs do not understand the difference between "raw" data rate and actual throughput and we don't want one WISP's lack of understanding to distort the FCC's definitions of "broadband". 3. Some WISPs do not understand that throughput is shared between all of the active customers on an AP at any given moment. Even if an AP is capable of delivering 10 Mbps of actual throughput, when 30 customers are active then less than 333k (10 Meg divided by 30) is available to each customer, sometimes far less. We don't want to let the fact that available throughput per customer is usually less than the maximum single-customer throughput to distort the FCC's definition of "broadband". In conclusion, I think it's better to let the FCC set the broadband "bar" a little low so we have a chance to demonstrate that we can sometimes exceed it rather than let some WISP who is bragging about speeds that he may or may actually be able to deliver cause the FCC to set the broadband "bar" too high so that the FCC writes unrealistic regulations (or the NITA and RUS originate unrealistic grant programs) that either ignore or exclude the needs of the majority of WISPs. Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee St. Louis Broadband wrote: They are not getting it from my form 477. The only 1 Mbps service we offer is upload and that is with a 5 Mbps download. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the "raw" 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: "Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks." http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Good information http://www.solar4power.com/solar-power-sizing.html - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I think that's why they developed the sun hour maps I referenced earlier. They just tell you what to expect in your area for sun hours a day. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Could be but that isn't right either. 24 hours of daylight is not the same as 24 hours of full current charging. The Sun rises and the Sun sets. Latitude and seasons aside, an 80 watt panel is only going to give about 450 watt-hours a day at absolute best. -Christopher Erickson -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I don't think his 24 hours of sun number meant in one 24 hour period. I think he meant 24 hours of sun cumulative over 33 days. No? Greg On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Christopher Erickson wrote: First, the Sun never shines 24 hours in a day unless you are above the Arctic circle. And even then, that only happens for a few days of the year. Second, there isn't much charging going on when the Sun is near the horizon, which is most of the time when in Northern latitudes. For example, an 80 watt panel will NEVER output 80 watts in Anchorage, Alaska because even at solar noon in the summer, the Sun is only around 60 degrees up in the sky. And below about 25 degrees, there isn't any charging going on at all. So anyway think of an amperage sine wave that builds up in the morning, peaks at solar noon and then diminishes in the afternoon. The math is more complicated than it first appears. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
I sent them a comment and asked them to correct it. -RickG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Listsli...@stlbroadband.com wrote: This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Cable around here is 50 megs and they have it labeled as 1.5. DSL around here is 15 megs and they have it labeled 1 meg. We're labeled 1 meg, but how many of us deliver more than 5? 3? Cable would increase 33x, DSL 15x, and wireless... 5x? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:20 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Mike, I am sorry, but that is silly. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps I wouldn't get too worked up. Look at what they say the other speeds are. They're closer on our speeds than they are on cable or DSL. If you inspire them too much, they'll up the speeds for cable and DSL as well, making us look worse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
PC Magazine has one. I have asked them to make a troubleshooting version for ISPs to use in improving their network, but no response. The author can't because PC Mag owns it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps I think Google should invent a website speed test app like they did for torrents - http://www.measurementlab.net/ What do people care most about online? The web (AKA the internet). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Hi Victoria, The FCC Workship 1 Mbps statement is very, very generalized. It's nothing to get upset about. If we want the FCC to update their knowledge about WISPs then we need to educate the FCC. We DO educate them with every FCC filing and presentation that we make. In the last year, we've made about a dozen written filings plus an in-person presentations to four of the five previous FCC Commissioners and to the FCC OET staff. Keep in mind that everything we write or present becomes a part of the public record. WISPA's FCC Committee is working on writing and filing FCC Comments right now, at this very moment. This filing is in response to an FCC Notice of Inquiry (NOI) about advanced telecommunications services and broadband. The NOI asks whether broadband is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. The NOI asks five core questions. (1) How should we define “advanced telecommunications capability” or “broadband?” *(NOTE: The FCC is asking about speed here)* (2) Is broadband available to all Americans? (3) Is the current level of broadband deployment reasonable and timely? (4) What actions, if any, should the Commission take to accelerate broadband deployment? (5) What actions should the Commission take to improve its regular broadband data collection efforts? We've got to be a little careful about how we ask the FCC to define broadband because: 1. If we set the bar too high, for example by saying that broadband is 5 Mbps or more then we risk excluding WISPs who do not provide at least 5 Mbps. They may not be eligible for funding or may not even be considered legitimate WISPs. 2. Some WISPs do not understand the difference between raw data rate and actual throughput and we don't want one WISP's lack of understanding to distort the FCC's definitions of broadband. 3. Some WISPs do not understand that throughput is shared between all of the active customers on an AP at any given moment. Even if an AP is capable of delivering 10 Mbps of actual throughput, when 30 customers are active then less than 333k (10 Meg divided by 30) is available to each customer, sometimes far less. We don't want to let the fact that available throughput per customer is usually less than the maximum single-customer throughput to distort the FCC's definition of broadband. In conclusion, I think it's better to let the FCC set the broadband bar a little low so we have a chance to demonstrate that we can sometimes exceed it rather than let some WISP who is bragging about speeds that he may or may actually be able to deliver cause the FCC to set the broadband bar too high so that the FCC writes unrealistic regulations (or the NITA and RUS originate unrealistic grant programs) that either ignore or exclude the needs of the majority of WISPs. Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee St. Louis Broadband wrote: They are not getting it from my form 477. The only 1 Mbps service we offer is upload and that is with a 5 Mbps download. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
[IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tranzeo repair
I've got a bunch of Tranzeo CPE CPQ units that are bad for one reason or another. I'm considering repairing them but not sure of the most economical way to do so. I could stick a bullet in there but will need a reverse MMCX to NF cable? Alternatively, I could throw in another radio card of some sort? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
How do you get them open without breaking the cases? That's been our issue with the older stuff. Haven't gotten any of the newer radios though, so that may have changed now. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair I've got a bunch of Tranzeo CPE CPQ units that are bad for one reason or another. I'm considering repairing them but not sure of the most economical way to do so. I could stick a bullet in there but will need a reverse MMCX to NF cable? Alternatively, I could throw in another radio card of some sort? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
Consider Mikrotik RB411r $55 UFL Pull out Tranzeo Board, drop in some Adhesive Connectors plug-in the RJ-45 Connector Tranzeo Provided. Turn it on. Your lights of coarse wont be there unless you mount the board kind of weird but that should work for $60 Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair I've got a bunch of Tranzeo CPE CPQ units that are bad for one reason or another. I'm considering repairing them but not sure of the most economical way to do so. I could stick a bullet in there but will need a reverse MMCX to NF cable? Alternatively, I could throw in another radio card of some sort? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Robert, Not a bad idea at all. It would cut out a tripod and possible roof damage liability. That 'u' part, what is the apx depth of the 'u'? 18 24? and 10-12 vertically? If you are running around in the next few days, can you shoot a photo or two of a representative sample? I do like the idea of rolling it to the side and lagging it to the eve. Also, when extending it, you could add two pieces of EMT at a 45's, similar to a overhead power drop. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
That's basically what we do with our out of warranty Tranzeo's, your screwed with the newer Tranzeo's because they don't have a cat5e jumper inside, their Ethernet mounts flush on the backplate. In my past experience some of the Tranzeo's are a crap shoot opening up. Some of them have silicone that releases very well, some of the others break right away. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Consider Mikrotik RB411r $55 UFL Pull out Tranzeo Board, drop in some Adhesive Connectors plug-in the RJ-45 Connector Tranzeo Provided. Turn it on. Your lights of coarse wont be there unless you mount the board kind of weird but that should work for $60 Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair I've got a bunch of Tranzeo CPE CPQ units that are bad for one reason or another. I'm considering repairing them but not sure of the most economical way to do so. I could stick a bullet in there but will need a reverse MMCX to NF cable? Alternatively, I could throw in another radio card of some sort? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP
It looks like stiff competition, especially at BTOP. 1230 rural applications. I would guess that a good portion of the 830 applications seeking joint evaluation are not willing to shoulder an RUS loan but are instead seeking more grants than they can get at BIP. Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP NTIA Announces 2,200 Applications for BIP/BTOP for a total of $27.6 Billion dollars http://broadbandcensus.com/2009/08/2200-broadband-stimulus-applications-seek -seven-times-more-funds-than-available/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT00056.txt OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) attachment: winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Instead of talking 33.3 days and 24 hours of sun, let's just take an average day. At optimal output, and for the sake of argument, let's say our 60W rated panels only produce 45W; optimally. Let's lob off 12% of that to satisfy the naysayers and devil's advocates, and to account for inefficiencies. We have a power output of close enough to 40W. Not all can do it, but for the short run repeater, and with two radios, let's say we run it at 12V, while loosing less heat at the voltage regulator on the radio. Since we're rounding numbers, we'll call that 3.3A. The radios require .8A. During optimal conditions, there are 2.5A free to charge the battery. On our average day, we have 6 hours of optimal sun, maybe more, maybe less. We have gained 15AH of charge to send to our battery. For 3 more hours of the day we will receive less than optimal output -- 2.5A, for another gain of 5.1AH. We now have 20.1AH more than we need to run the radios. We will get another hour of diminished 1A or less output but will not consider that here. So, during our 24 hours, we are either generating enough, or excess for 9 hours. We have to store power for the 15 hours where our system is not generating power. We have to provide 12AH for dark time. We have already generated an excess of 20.1AH. We can provide 8.11AH on our average day to keep our battery charged. If the 12V storage battery is capable of 800AH, and it is topped off with our system it CAN keep the repeater going for 41 days. If you monitor battery condition, you should be able to see a net loss coming way before it shuts down the repeater. Assumptions: We are using efficient radios capable of running at 12V or less. Let's say both are Atheros based Deliberant radios. The CAT5 run to our radios is insignificant, and not some 200' run. Hams, geeks and wisp owners are cut from similar cloth. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Agreed. Also two 6 volt golf cart batteries are quite a bit superior to two 12 volt deep cycle batteries. The plates are just too thin in 12V automotive/marine sized batteries to provide long life with deep cycling. And 6v golf cart batteries come in different Ah ratings from about 95 to about 170. The CostCo 6V batts are the best Ah bang for the buck but they are closer to the 95Ah end of the spectrum than the 170Ah end. Basically, it is economy versus volume and availability. Trojan has a great reputation for making high-quality, high Ah 6V golf cart batteries. And in lead-acid, NiMH and NiCad cells, the last 20% of charge between 80% and 100% uses a lot more power to put in than the previous 80%. This means the best and most efficient range of charge on a battery in off-grid, cycle service (versus float service, like in a UPS) is to work the battery between about 25% at minimum charge, up to 80% charge. Don't even bother with the last 20%. And solar/wind/etc. chargers that are capable of monitoring battery temperature are the ONLY way to go, to prevent over charging, damaging the batteries and shortening their service life. And wind chargers usually don't last long in climates that are subject to seasonal icing conditions. The blades get iced, get imbalanced and then tear the wind generator bearings to bits over time. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Good information http://www.solar4power.com/solar-power-sizing.html - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I think that's why they developed the sun hour maps I referenced earlier. They just tell you what to expect in your area for sun hours a day. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Could be but that isn't right either. 24 hours of daylight is not the same as 24 hours of full current charging. The Sun rises and the Sun sets. Latitude and seasons aside, an 80 watt panel is only going to give about 450 watt-hours a day at absolute best. -Christopher Erickson -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I don't think his 24 hours of sun number meant in one 24 hour period. I think he meant 24 hours of sun cumulative over 33 days. No? Greg On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Christopher Erickson wrote: First, the Sun never shines 24 hours in a day unless you are above the Arctic circle. And even then, that only happens for a few days of the year. Second, there isn't much charging going on when the Sun is near the horizon, which is most of the time when in Northern latitudes. For example, an 80 watt panel will NEVER output 80 watts in Anchorage, Alaska because even at solar noon in the summer, the Sun is only around 60 degrees up in the sky. And below about 25 degrees, there isn't any charging going on at all. So anyway think of an amperage sine wave that builds up in the morning, peaks at solar noon and then diminishes in the afternoon. The math is more complicated than it first appears. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24
Re: [WISPA] solar site
All this fuzzy math about hours of sun in 33.3 days is useless and not the way the calculators work. If you are consuming 12w and generating 60w (4 toy panels), here's some math. 288w/day (12x24) load. According to the sun maps, we are in the 4 hour of sun (average!) area according to the sun calculation charts. (Maine). This means 240w/day (60x4) generated. In such as case, if it's working, you are either running partly on existing battery charge, getting lucky with sunny weather, or not actually drawing 12w load. Provide some overhead for charging, charging inneficiencies, cable loss, charge controller loss, bad weather. What percent overhead is based on how conservative the calculator is. If it's expensive to visit the site, go extra conservative. I really like to see the batteries fully charged as much as possible. If you have batteries that stay fully charged most of the time, they won't freeze when it's -20f. My extra recommended 40w will help the batteries to stay fully charged and provide the overhead your calculations are missing. In cold weather, the AH capacity of the battery shrinks as well. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:05:33PM -0500, Mike wrote: I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Do the math on the worst case scenario. What kind of values do you need for the bad days - assuming you get a minimal charge during cloudy days, how long does the few hours of that charge last? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:45 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: All this fuzzy math about hours of sun in 33.3 days is useless and not the way the calculators work. If you are consuming 12w and generating 60w (4 toy panels), here's some math. 288w/day (12x24) load. According to the sun maps, we are in the 4 hour of sun (average!) area according to the sun calculation charts. (Maine). This means 240w/day (60x4) generated. In such as case, if it's working, you are either running partly on existing battery charge, getting lucky with sunny weather, or not actually drawing 12w load. Provide some overhead for charging, charging inneficiencies, cable loss, charge controller loss, bad weather. What percent overhead is based on how conservative the calculator is. If it's expensive to visit the site, go extra conservative. I really like to see the batteries fully charged as much as possible. If you have batteries that stay fully charged most of the time, they won't freeze when it's -20f. My extra recommended 40w will help the batteries to stay fully charged and provide the overhead your calculations are missing. In cold weather, the AH capacity of the battery shrinks as well. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:05:33PM -0500, Mike wrote: I'm not sure I buy into your math. If I have a repeater site that is pulling 1A @ 12V, then it is consuming something like 12W, right? If I have 60W of solar panel (2 toys) then when conditions are optimal, I have 48W left over to charge the battery. Lets say I am REALLY north, and the panels are only producing 45W. I still am consuming 12W with the radios, and have 33W left over to charge the battery. If I have an 800AH battery 24 Hours of sun will run the radios AND fully charge the battery. If the sun shines 24 hours out of 33.3 days, I will stay ahead of the curve and the battery will stay charged. No sun for 33.3 days and my 800AH battery will finally die. I NEVER see those conditions here in the midwest. I'll still maintain you can do a repeater site for $500 in solar power costs and if you monitor battery condition it will work just fine. At 09:54 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: Here in the north, I wouldn't bother with anything less than 100w of panel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Many places that are WISP are in the more remote rural areas, just for the fact it is harder to compete with the big cable and telco guys. The cost of bandwidth to get to these areas is way more than in the cities. A 2XT1 cost me $1379/mth...that's the best price available. I only offer 1.5Mbit service to businesses at $90/mth. Fastest thing I offer to home users is 768k. My competition is the local telco and the fastest thing they offer is 3Mbit, and they just started offering that about 6 months ago. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:24:42 -0500 Just a thought on that. I don't know where else they would be getting that data from unless they are just pulling it out of the air. With what I've got in the air right now I could do up to 15meg down. With the newer gear coming out we'll be able to do even more than that. Kinda irks me I guess. Victoria, did you get in on the Missouri Broadband Initiative? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps They are not getting it from my form 477. The only 1 Mbps service we offer is upload and that is with a 5 Mbps download. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] solar site
I have designed a fair number of off-grid radio sites and in general, I have come up with a few additional guidelines. 1. Have enough battery capacity to run for 7 days with zero charging. This will give you a window of response time if the charging system suffers a failure (or theft/vandalism) or there is an extended episode of inclement weather. 2. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. 3. Avoid any equipment that has a built-in cooling fan. 4. 48 volt power systems are more efficient than 24 volt power systems are more efficient than 12 volt power systems. 5. Avoid inverters and equipment that is 120VAC only. 6. Don't forget to consider environmental issues and projected temperature extremes. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Instead of talking 33.3 days and 24 hours of sun, let's just take an average day. At optimal output, and for the sake of argument, let's say our 60W rated panels only produce 45W; optimally. Let's lob off 12% of that to satisfy the naysayers and devil's advocates, and to account for inefficiencies. We have a power output of close enough to 40W. Not all can do it, but for the short run repeater, and with two radios, let's say we run it at 12V, while loosing less heat at the voltage regulator on the radio. Since we're rounding numbers, we'll call that 3.3A. The radios require .8A. During optimal conditions, there are 2.5A free to charge the battery. On our average day, we have 6 hours of optimal sun, maybe more, maybe less. We have gained 15AH of charge to send to our battery. For 3 more hours of the day we will receive less than optimal output -- 2.5A, for another gain of 5.1AH. We now have 20.1AH more than we need to run the radios. We will get another hour of diminished 1A or less output but will not consider that here. So, during our 24 hours, we are either generating enough, or excess for 9 hours. We have to store power for the 15 hours where our system is not generating power. We have to provide 12AH for dark time. We have already generated an excess of 20.1AH. We can provide 8.11AH on our average day to keep our battery charged. If the 12V storage battery is capable of 800AH, and it is topped off with our system it CAN keep the repeater going for 41 days. If you monitor battery condition, you should be able to see a net loss coming way before it shuts down the repeater. Assumptions: We are using efficient radios capable of running at 12V or less. Let's say both are Atheros based Deliberant radios. The CAT5 run to our radios is insignificant, and not some 200' run. Hams, geeks and wisp owners are cut from similar cloth. Mike -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Jack Unger wrote: Hi Victoria, The FCC Workship 1 Mbps statement is very, very generalized. It's nothing to get upset about. If we want the FCC to update their knowledge about WISPs then we need to educate the FCC. We DO educate them with every FCC filing and presentation that we make. In the last year, we've made about a dozen written filings plus an in-person presentations to four of the five previous FCC Commissioners and to the FCC OET staff. Keep in mind that everything we write or present becomes a part of the public record. WISPA's FCC Committee is working on writing and filing FCC Comments right now, at this very moment. This filing is in response to an FCC Notice of Inquiry (NOI) about advanced telecommunications services and broadband. The NOI asks whether broadband is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. The NOI asks five core questions. Ooh. Ooh. This is easy. :-) (1) How should we define advanced telecommunications capability or broadband? *(NOTE: The FCC is asking about speed here)* A reasonable enduser experience with websites like YouTube, Hulu or BBC without too much finger drumming. (2) Is broadband available to all Americans? No (3) Is the current level of broadband deployment reasonable and timely? No (4) What actions, if any, should the Commission take to accelerate broadband deployment? This one is harder. If we want to perpetuate the duopoly system that dominiates the urban/suburban landscape, then: Mandate that 100% of America (and territories) be covered, with a deadline for compliance and stiff fines for non-complience. Otherwise, huge tax breaks for the little guy (read WISP) to get the job done. If you're a company with over 50 employees, no tax break. (5) What actions should the Commission take to improve its regular broadband data collection efforts? Help the little guy, because he's the one who'll serve where the duopoly won't. duopoly = CATV monopoly plus ILEC. --C We've got to be a little careful about how we ask the FCC to define broadband because: 1. If we set the bar too high, for example by saying that broadband is 5 Mbps or more then we risk excluding WISPs who do not provide at least 5 Mbps. They may not be eligible for funding or may not even be considered legitimate WISPs. 2. Some WISPs do not understand the difference between raw data rate and actual throughput and we don't want one WISP's lack of understanding to distort the FCC's definitions of broadband. 3. Some WISPs do not understand that throughput is shared between all of the active customers on an AP at any given moment. Even if an AP is capable of delivering 10 Mbps of actual throughput, when 30 customers are active then less than 333k (10 Meg divided by 30) is available to each customer, sometimes far less. We don't want to let the fact that available throughput per customer is usually less than the maximum single-customer throughput to distort the FCC's definition of broadband. In conclusion, I think it's better to let the FCC set the broadband bar a little low so we have a chance to demonstrate that we can sometimes exceed it rather than let some WISP who is bragging about speeds that he may or may actually be able to deliver cause the FCC to set the broadband bar too high so that the FCC writes unrealistic regulations (or the NITA and RUS originate unrealistic grant programs) that either ignore or exclude the needs of the majority of WISPs. Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee St. Louis Broadband wrote: They are not getting it from my form 477. The only 1 Mbps service we offer is upload and that is with a 5 Mbps download. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
4 length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.70/2329 - Release Date: 08/27/09 08:11:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Chris, Re #4: Is that because the usable voltage? Ie: 11.2V of 12, 18 of 24? 36-38 of 48? Are these close to correct for std POE? Or what WISP's use? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Erickson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I have designed a fair number of off-grid radio sites and in general, I have come up with a few additional guidelines. 1. Have enough battery capacity to run for 7 days with zero charging. This will give you a window of response time if the charging system suffers a failure (or theft/vandalism) or there is an extended episode of inclement weather. 2. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. 3. Avoid any equipment that has a built-in cooling fan. 4. 48 volt power systems are more efficient than 24 volt power systems are more efficient than 12 volt power systems. 5. Avoid inverters and equipment that is 120VAC only. 6. Don't forget to consider environmental issues and projected temperature extremes. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Instead of talking 33.3 days and 24 hours of sun, let's just take an average day. At optimal output, and for the sake of argument, let's say our 60W rated panels only produce 45W; optimally. Let's lob off 12% of that to satisfy the naysayers and devil's advocates, and to account for inefficiencies. We have a power output of close enough to 40W. Not all can do it, but for the short run repeater, and with two radios, let's say we run it at 12V, while loosing less heat at the voltage regulator on the radio. Since we're rounding numbers, we'll call that 3.3A. The radios require .8A. During optimal conditions, there are 2.5A free to charge the battery. On our average day, we have 6 hours of optimal sun, maybe more, maybe less. We have gained 15AH of charge to send to our battery. For 3 more hours of the day we will receive less than optimal output -- 2.5A, for another gain of 5.1AH. We now have 20.1AH more than we need to run the radios. We will get another hour of diminished 1A or less output but will not consider that here. So, during our 24 hours, we are either generating enough, or excess for 9 hours. We have to store power for the 15 hours where our system is not generating power. We have to provide 12AH for dark time. We have already generated an excess of 20.1AH. We can provide 8.11AH on our average day to keep our battery charged. If the 12V storage battery is capable of 800AH, and it is topped off with our system it CAN keep the repeater going for 41 days. If you monitor battery condition, you should be able to see a net loss coming way before it shuts down the repeater. Assumptions: We are using efficient radios capable of running at 12V or less. Let's say both are Atheros based Deliberant radios. The CAT5 run to our radios is insignificant, and not some 200' run. Hams, geeks and wisp owners are cut from similar cloth. Mike -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
* 48 volt power system (actually -48VDC) is a telco standard and there is a LOT of carrier-class telecom equipment and charging systems designed to operate on that voltage. Especially a lot of remote management control and monitoring stuff. * For the same watts, when voltage goes up, amperage goes down. This means less percentage energy loss from voltage drop in wiring and the ability to use smaller gauge wire for power. * Using high-efficiency Picoverters to power 12VDC and 24VDC devices from 48VDC means that your 12VDC devices can still operate reliably when the 48VDC battery plant is down to near exhaustion. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Chris, Re #4: Is that because the usable voltage? Ie: 11.2V of 12, 18 of 24? 36-38 of 48? Are these close to correct for std POE? Or what WISP's use? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Erickson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I have designed a fair number of off-grid radio sites and in general, I have come up with a few additional guidelines. 1. Have enough battery capacity to run for 7 days with zero charging. This will give you a window of response time if the charging system suffers a failure (or theft/vandalism) or there is an extended episode of inclement weather. 2. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. 3. Avoid any equipment that has a built-in cooling fan. 4. 48 volt power systems are more efficient than 24 volt power systems are more efficient than 12 volt power systems. 5. Avoid inverters and equipment that is 120VAC only. 6. Don't forget to consider environmental issues and projected temperature extremes. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Instead of talking 33.3 days and 24 hours of sun, let's just take an average day. At optimal output, and for the sake of argument, let's say our 60W rated panels only produce 45W; optimally. Let's lob off 12% of that to satisfy the naysayers and devil's advocates, and to account for inefficiencies. We have a power output of close enough to 40W. Not all can do it, but for the short run repeater, and with two radios, let's say we run it at 12V, while loosing less heat at the voltage regulator on the radio. Since we're rounding numbers, we'll call that 3.3A. The radios require .8A. During optimal conditions, there are 2.5A free to charge the battery. On our average day, we have 6 hours of optimal sun, maybe more, maybe less. We have gained 15AH of charge to send to our battery. For 3 more hours of the day we will receive less than optimal output -- 2.5A, for another gain of 5.1AH. We now have 20.1AH more than we need to run the radios. We will get another hour of diminished 1A or less output but will not consider that here. So, during our 24 hours, we are either generating enough, or excess for 9 hours. We have to store power for the 15 hours where our system is not generating power. We have to provide 12AH for dark time. We have already generated an excess of 20.1AH. We can provide 8.11AH on our average day to keep our battery charged. If the 12V storage battery is capable of 800AH, and it is topped off with our system it CAN keep the repeater going for 41 days. If you monitor battery condition, you should be able to see a net loss coming way before it shuts down the repeater. Assumptions: We are using efficient radios capable of running at 12V or less. Let's say both are Atheros based Deliberant radios. The CAT5 run to our radios is insignificant, and not some 200' run. Hams, geeks and wisp owners are cut from similar cloth. Mike -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
He said he needed 5.3 PtMP. Chuck On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What was the problem? I don't believe it was ever said. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP - Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Wait what application are we even trying to solve... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote: Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Jack, I have to agree about setting the bar too high, especially if one is dealing with issues such as LOS issues. It will be interesting to see the WISPA comments. Thanks. Victoria From: Jack Unger [mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:15 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Cc: WISPA's FCC Committee Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hi Victoria, The FCC Workship 1 Mbps statement is very, very generalized. It's nothing to get upset about. If we want the FCC to update their knowledge about WISPs then we need to educate the FCC. We DO educate them with every FCC filing and presentation that we make. In the last year, we've made about a dozen written filings plus an in-person presentations to four of the five previous FCC Commissioners and to the FCC OET staff. Keep in mind that everything we write or present becomes a part of the public record. WISPA's FCC Committee is working on writing and filing FCC Comments right now, at this very moment. This filing is in response to an FCC Notice of Inquiry (NOI) about advanced telecommunications services and broadband. The NOI asks whether broadband is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. The NOI asks five core questions. (1) How should we define advanced telecommunications capability or broadband? (NOTE: The FCC is asking about speed here) (2) Is broadband available to all Americans? (3) Is the current level of broadband deployment reasonable and timely? (4) What actions, if any, should the Commission take to accelerate broadband deployment? (5) What actions should the Commission take to improve its regular broadband data collection efforts? We've got to be a little careful about how we ask the FCC to define broadband because: 1. If we set the bar too high, for example by saying that broadband is 5 Mbps or more then we risk excluding WISPs who do not provide at least 5 Mbps. They may not be eligible for funding or may not even be considered legitimate WISPs. 2. Some WISPs do not understand the difference between raw data rate and actual throughput and we don't want one WISP's lack of understanding to distort the FCC's definitions of broadband. 3. Some WISPs do not understand that throughput is shared between all of the active customers on an AP at any given moment. Even if an AP is capable of delivering 10 Mbps of actual throughput, when 30 customers are active then less than 333k (10 Meg divided by 30) is available to each customer, sometimes far less. We don't want to let the fact that available throughput per customer is usually less than the maximum single-customer throughput to distort the FCC's definition of broadband. In conclusion, I think it's better to let the FCC set the broadband bar a little low so we have a chance to demonstrate that we can sometimes exceed it rather than let some WISP who is bragging about speeds that he may or may actually be able to deliver cause the FCC to set the broadband bar too high so that the FCC writes unrealistic regulations (or the NITA and RUS originate unrealistic grant programs) that either ignore or exclude the needs of the majority of WISPs. Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee St. Louis Broadband wrote: They are not getting it from my form 477. The only 1 Mbps service we offer is upload and that is with a 5 Mbps download. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Hmm, so I guess my 10Mbps down and 8mbps up wireless links (yes, to customers) don't count My guess, though, is that they're pulling this data from the 477 and making assumptions based on that. Most of our customers are 1.5Mbps or less customers so looking at the raw 477 data then yes, it would appear that we may not be doing much more than the 1.5meg. Interesting... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed
And I muddied the water with a snide reference to Alvarion's Webinars. Chuck Bartosch wrote: He said he needed 5.3 PtMP. Chuck On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What was the problem? I don't believe it was ever said. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: I solved my problem with the 5.3Ghz PTMP - Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:14:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Wait what application are we even trying to solve... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM, dco...@infowest.com wrote: Isn't there a webinar that will help this guy? ;) -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Subj: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am Size: 2K To: 'Joe Miller' joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Canopy :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed No I haven't...Any other suggestions on another type of radio that will do 5.3 Ghz PTMP? - Original Message From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:39:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion equipment needed 2009/8/26 Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com: Does anyone know of an Alvarion distributor in the states that carries PTMP radios? Mainly looking for the EZ line. Have you read the release notes for the EZ products? Sounds pretty half baked at this time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- message truncated --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
One of my employees just discovered that nearly all of our bad Tranzeos could be fixed just by replacing the wireless card. R52 cards work fine on the Tranzeo board. Tranzeo just sees it just like the old card. So for the price of an R52 card you now have a new Tranzeo. Just reseal the case with a good sealent and you are in business again. We also do use the cases with Crossroads and 411s also when the Tranzeo board is dead. Makes for a very good radio. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's basically what we do with our out of warranty Tranzeo's, your screwed with the newer Tranzeo's because they don't have a cat5e jumper inside, their Ethernet mounts flush on the backplate. In my past experience some of the Tranzeo's are a crap shoot opening up. Some of them have silicone that releases very well, some of the others break right away. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Consider Mikrotik RB411r $55 UFL Pull out Tranzeo Board, drop in some Adhesive Connectors plug-in the RJ-45 Connector Tranzeo Provided. Turn it on. Your lights of coarse wont be there unless you mount the board kind of weird but that should work for $60 Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair I've got a bunch of Tranzeo CPE CPQ units that are bad for one reason or another. I'm considering repairing them but not sure of the most economical way to do so. I could stick a bullet in there but will need a reverse MMCX to NF cable? Alternatively, I could throw in another radio card of some sort? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Thank you Chris for a great explanation! But it brings to mind two more questions (I know, I'm a PITA) Do Picoverters have much loss? ( I think I know inverters lose 20% or more ) And what is 'near exhaustion' on a 48 vdc plant? ( I'm assuming 4 12 volt batteries or 8 6 volt golf cart batteries ) Say a piconverter running 48 to 24vdc, how low can the input voltage go and it still supply 24 volts to a 4 radio board? I'm asking this question because we currently have a very well operating solar site with 2 deep cycle marine batteries, running 24vdc direct POE. Now on a new site, would using a 48 to 24vdc option, would it extend our dark / foggy day capacity appreciably? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Erickson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site * 48 volt power system (actually -48VDC) is a telco standard and there is a LOT of carrier-class telecom equipment and charging systems designed to operate on that voltage. Especially a lot of remote management control and monitoring stuff. * For the same watts, when voltage goes up, amperage goes down. This means less percentage energy loss from voltage drop in wiring and the ability to use smaller gauge wire for power. * Using high-efficiency Picoverters to power 12VDC and 24VDC devices from 48VDC means that your 12VDC devices can still operate reliably when the 48VDC battery plant is down to near exhaustion. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Chris, Re #4: Is that because the usable voltage? Ie: 11.2V of 12, 18 of 24? 36-38 of 48? Are these close to correct for std POE? Or what WISP's use? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Erickson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I have designed a fair number of off-grid radio sites and in general, I have come up with a few additional guidelines. 1. Have enough battery capacity to run for 7 days with zero charging. This will give you a window of response time if the charging system suffers a failure (or theft/vandalism) or there is an extended episode of inclement weather. 2. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. 3. Avoid any equipment that has a built-in cooling fan. 4. 48 volt power systems are more efficient than 24 volt power systems are more efficient than 12 volt power systems. 5. Avoid inverters and equipment that is 120VAC only. 6. Don't forget to consider environmental issues and projected temperature extremes. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Instead of talking 33.3 days and 24 hours of sun, let's just take an average day. At optimal output, and for the sake of argument, let's say our 60W rated panels only produce 45W; optimally. Let's lob off 12% of that to satisfy the naysayers and devil's advocates, and to account for inefficiencies. We have a power output of close enough to 40W. Not all can do it, but for the short run repeater, and with two radios, let's say we run it at 12V, while loosing less heat at the voltage regulator on the radio. Since we're rounding numbers, we'll call that 3.3A. The radios require .8A. During optimal conditions, there are 2.5A free to charge the battery. On our average day, we have 6 hours of optimal sun, maybe more, maybe less. We have gained 15AH of charge to send to our battery. For 3 more hours of the day we will receive less than optimal output -- 2.5A, for another gain of 5.1AH. We now have 20.1AH more than we need to run the radios. We will get another hour of diminished 1A or less output but will not consider that here. So, during our 24 hours, we are either generating enough, or excess for 9 hours. We have to store power for the 15 hours where our system is not generating power. We have to provide 12AH for dark time. We have already generated an excess of 20.1AH. We
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
The internet is NOT a big truck. It's a series of tubes! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.comwrote: I read a survey not long ago (sorry, can't find it) that showed that, by far, the most important factor in broadband access was always-on as opposed to interrupting your phone service, waiting a minute before you can browse, etc. This was a survey of folks who had broadband. I manage my Medicare on line, obtain renewals for driver's license and auto registrations, pay my property taxes, and save the government lots and lots of money by doing those activities myself. There are many reasons the government is actively promoting universal, convenient Internet access. I have both speed boost RoadRunner cable HSD service and 768K DSL as an automatic (lower metric on my router) backup and can say that it's not a disaster when RoadRunner goes down although it is certainly noticeable...especially if I go to YouTube. It's not RoadRunner's fault that we live in more rural settings with a really perpendicular vertical utility pole very unusual...most are off up to 10 degrees and wiggle a lot. Back to broadband; A 1Mbps service that's always on would allow students to do their school work, allow on-line government activities, let you check the weather, etc., and, although not zippy, it is quite functional and certainly would permit the do-it-yourself governmental activities without the problems with dial-up. However, the acceleration of the availability of facilities that only work well at 10Mbps and above is happening very fast and I wouldn't be surprised that students in K-12 as well as universities will soon be required to watch video teaching aids that will demand that. By the way, I have been getting 1Mbps tethered from my laptop through my ATT 3G phone service for several years, as well. It's $15 a month with no consumption limit. The latency makes it a bit of a sporty course to use, however. Now, put all that together, all those speeds, all the vehicles (Cable, WISP, DSL, and 3G), and comparisons with countries where people are crammed together cheek to jowl instead of your neighbor being on the opposite side of a mountain the size of Sweden and, furthermore, imagine an FCC bureaucrat facing a technically-challenged congressman... Well, the problem speaks for itself. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Jack Unger wrote: Hi Victoria, The FCC Workship 1 Mbps statement is very, very generalized. It's nothing to get upset about. If we want the FCC to update their knowledge about WISPs then we need to educate the FCC. We DO educate them with every FCC filing and presentation that we make. In the last year, we've made about a dozen written filings plus an in-person presentations to four of the five previous FCC Commissioners and to the FCC OET staff. Keep in mind that everything we write or present becomes a part of the public record. WISPA's FCC Committee is working on writing and filing FCC Comments right now, at this very moment. This filing is in response to an FCC Notice of Inquiry (NOI) about advanced telecommunications services and broadband. The NOI asks whether broadband is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. The NOI asks five core questions. Ooh. Ooh. This is easy. :-) (1) How should we define advanced telecommunications capability or broadband? *(NOTE: The FCC is asking about speed here)* A reasonable enduser experience with websites like YouTube, Hulu or BBC without too much finger drumming. (2) Is broadband available to all Americans? No (3) Is the current level of broadband deployment reasonable and timely? No (4) What actions, if any, should the Commission take to accelerate broadband deployment? This one is harder. If we want to perpetuate the duopoly system that dominiates the urban/suburban landscape, then: Mandate that 100% of America (and territories) be covered, with a deadline for compliance and stiff fines for non-complience. Otherwise, huge tax breaks for the little guy (read WISP) to get the job done. If you're a company with over 50 employees, no tax break. (5) What actions should the Commission take to improve its regular broadband data collection efforts? Help the little guy, because he's the one who'll serve where the duopoly won't. duopoly = CATV monopoly plus ILEC. --C We've got to be a little careful about
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
Am I the only one that simply can't stand the Tranzeo enclosures? I have had nothing but hell with that awful growth looking lump on the back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com wrote: One of my employees just discovered that nearly all of our bad Tranzeos could be fixed just by replacing the wireless card. R52 cards work fine on the Tranzeo board. Tranzeo just sees it just like the old card. So for the price of an R52 card you now have a new Tranzeo. Just reseal the case with a good sealent and you are in business again. We also do use the cases with Crossroads and 411s also when the Tranzeo board is dead. Makes for a very good radio. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's basically what we do with our out of warranty Tranzeo's, your screwed with the newer Tranzeo's because they don't have a cat5e jumper inside, their Ethernet mounts flush on the backplate. In my past experience some of the Tranzeo's are a crap shoot opening up. Some of them have silicone that releases very well, some of the others break right away. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Consider Mikrotik RB411r $55 UFL Pull out Tranzeo Board, drop in some Adhesive Connectors plug-in the RJ-45 Connector Tranzeo Provided. Turn it on. Your lights of coarse wont be there unless you mount the board kind of weird but that should work for $60 Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair I've got a bunch of Tranzeo CPE CPQ units that are bad for one reason or another. I'm considering repairing them but not sure of the most economical way to do so. I could stick a bullet in there but will need a reverse MMCX to NF cable? Alternatively, I could throw in another radio card of some sort? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
I read a survey not long ago (sorry, can't find it) that showed that, by far, the most important factor in broadband access was always-on as opposed to interrupting your phone service, waiting a minute before you can browse, etc. This was a survey of folks who had broadband. I manage my Medicare on line, obtain renewals for driver's license and auto registrations, pay my property taxes, and save the government lots and lots of money by doing those activities myself. There are many reasons the government is actively promoting universal, convenient Internet access. I have both speed boost RoadRunner cable HSD service and 768K DSL as an automatic (lower metric on my router) backup and can say that it's not a disaster when RoadRunner goes down although it is certainly noticeable...especially if I go to YouTube. It's not RoadRunner's fault that we live in more rural settings with a really perpendicular vertical utility pole very unusual...most are off up to 10 degrees and wiggle a lot. Back to broadband; A 1Mbps service that's always on would allow students to do their school work, allow on-line government activities, let you check the weather, etc., and, although not zippy, it is quite functional and certainly would permit the do-it-yourself governmental activities without the problems with dial-up. However, the acceleration of the availability of facilities that only work well at 10Mbps and above is happening very fast and I wouldn't be surprised that students in K-12 as well as universities will soon be required to watch video teaching aids that will demand that. By the way, I have been getting 1Mbps tethered from my laptop through my ATT 3G phone service for several years, as well. It's $15 a month with no consumption limit. The latency makes it a bit of a sporty course to use, however. Now, put all that together, all those speeds, all the vehicles (Cable, WISP, DSL, and 3G), and comparisons with countries where people are crammed together cheek to jowl instead of your neighbor being on the opposite side of a mountain the size of Sweden and, furthermore, imagine an FCC bureaucrat facing a technically-challenged congressman... Well, the problem speaks for itself. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Jack Unger wrote: Hi Victoria, The FCC Workship 1 Mbps statement is very, very generalized. It's nothing to get upset about. If we want the FCC to update their knowledge about WISPs then we need to educate the FCC. We DO educate them with every FCC filing and presentation that we make. In the last year, we've made about a dozen written filings plus an in-person presentations to four of the five previous FCC Commissioners and to the FCC OET staff. Keep in mind that everything we write or present becomes a part of the public record. WISPA's FCC Committee is working on writing and filing FCC Comments right now, at this very moment. This filing is in response to an FCC Notice of Inquiry (NOI) about advanced telecommunications services and broadband. The NOI asks whether broadband is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. The NOI asks five core questions. Ooh. Ooh. This is easy. :-) (1) How should we define advanced telecommunications capability or broadband? *(NOTE: The FCC is asking about speed here)* A reasonable enduser experience with websites like YouTube, Hulu or BBC without too much finger drumming. (2) Is broadband available to all Americans? No (3) Is the current level of broadband deployment reasonable and timely? No (4) What actions, if any, should the Commission take to accelerate broadband deployment? This one is harder. If we want to perpetuate the duopoly system that dominiates the urban/suburban landscape, then: Mandate that 100% of America (and territories) be covered, with a deadline for compliance and stiff fines for non-complience. Otherwise, huge tax breaks for the little guy (read WISP) to get the job done. If you're a company with over 50 employees, no tax break. (5) What actions should the Commission take to improve its regular broadband data collection efforts? Help the little guy, because he's the one who'll serve where the duopoly won't. duopoly = CATV monopoly plus ILEC. --C We've got to be a little careful about how we ask the FCC to define broadband because: 1. If we set the bar too high, for example by saying that broadband is 5 Mbps or more then we risk excluding WISPs who do not provide at least 5 Mbps. They may not be eligible for funding or may not even be considered legitimate WISPs. 2. Some WISPs do not understand the difference between raw data rate and actual throughput and we don't want one WISP's lack of understanding
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Jonathan, Thank you for your very good examples of how you use "always-on" broadband to take care of Medicare, driver's license renewals, etc. We will use these examples to help make the case why broadband should be extended to all Americans. Your point about students needing 10 Mbps is important too although, without adequate spectrum, this can be technically challenging to do wirelessly for large numbers of people. Perhaps the government should consider subsidizing WISPs who extend fiber to rural locations. jack Jonathan Schmidt wrote: I read a survey not long ago (sorry, can't find it) that showed that, by far, the most important factor in "broadband" access was always-on as opposed to interrupting your phone service, waiting a minute before you can browse, etc. This was a survey of folks who had broadband. I manage my Medicare on line, obtain renewals for driver's license and auto registrations, pay my property taxes, and save the government lots and lots of money by doing those activities myself. There are many reasons the government is actively promoting universal, convenient Internet access. I have both "speed boost" RoadRunner cable HSD service and 768K DSL as an automatic (lower metric on my router) backup and can say that it's not a disaster when RoadRunner goes down although it is certainly noticeable...especially if I go to YouTube. It's not RoadRunner's fault that we live in more rural settings with a really perpendicular vertical utility pole very unusual...most are off up to 10 degrees and wiggle a lot. Back to broadband; A 1Mbps service that's always on would allow students to do their school work, allow on-line government activities, let you check the weather, etc., and, although not zippy, it is quite functional and certainly would permit the do-it-yourself governmental activities without the problems with dial-up. However, the acceleration of the availability of facilities that only work well at 10Mbps and above is happening very fast and I wouldn't be surprised that students in K-12 as well as universities will soon be required to watch video teaching aids that will demand that. By the way, I have been getting 1Mbps tethered from my laptop through my ATT 3G phone service for several years, as well. It's $15 a month with no consumption limit. The latency makes it a bit of a sporty course to use, however. Now, put all that together, all those speeds, all the vehicles (Cable, WISP, DSL, and 3G), and comparisons with countries where people are crammed together cheek to jowl instead of your neighbor being on the opposite side of a mountain the size of Sweden and, furthermore, imagine an FCC bureaucrat facing a technically-challenged congressman... Well, the problem speaks for itself. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Jack Unger wrote: Hi Victoria, The FCC Workship "1 Mbps" statement is very, very generalized. It's nothing to get upset about. If we want the FCC to update their knowledge about WISPs then we need to educate the FCC. We DO educate them with every FCC filing and presentation that we make. In the last year, we've made about a dozen written filings plus an in-person presentations to four of the five previous FCC Commissioners and to the FCC OET staff. Keep in mind that everything we write or present becomes a part of the public record. WISPA's FCC Committee is working on writing and filing FCC Comments right now, at this very moment. This filing is in response to an FCC "Notice of Inquiry" (NOI) about "advanced telecommunications services" and "broadband". The NOI asks whether broadband is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. The NOI asks five "core questions". Ooh. Ooh. This is easy. :-) (1) How should we define "advanced telecommunications capability" or "broadband?" *(NOTE: The FCC is asking about "speed" here)* A reasonable enduser experience with websites like YouTube, Hulu or BBC without too much finger drumming. (2) Is broadband available to all Americans? No (3) Is the current level of broadband deployment reasonable and timely? No (4) What actions, if any, should the Commission take to accelerate broadband deployment? This one is harder. If we want to perpetuate the duopoly system that dominiates the urban/suburban landscape, then: Mandate that 100% of America (and territories) be covered, with a deadline for compliance and stiff fines for non-complience. Otherwise, huge tax breaks for the little guy (read WISP) to get the job done. If you're a company with over 50 employees, no tax break. (5) What actions should the Commission take to
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
Can't say I like Tranzeo much in general...you get what you pay for. I mean we have some links that have been running for a while with no problem, but overall we try to go towards higher quality product when we can and only use Tranzeo in a pinch. On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 15:31 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Am I the only one that simply can't stand the Tranzeo enclosures? I have had nothing but hell with that awful growth looking lump on the back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com wrote: One of my employees just discovered that nearly all of our bad Tranzeos could be fixed just by replacing the wireless card. R52 cards work fine on the Tranzeo board. Tranzeo just sees it just like the old card. So for the price of an R52 card you now have a new Tranzeo. Just reseal the case with a good sealent and you are in business again. We also do use the cases with Crossroads and 411s also when the Tranzeo board is dead. Makes for a very good radio. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's basically what we do with our out of warranty Tranzeo's, your screwed with the newer Tranzeo's because they don't have a cat5e jumper inside, their Ethernet mounts flush on the backplate. In my past experience some of the Tranzeo's are a crap shoot opening up. Some of them have silicone that releases very well, some of the others break right away. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Consider Mikrotik RB411r $55 UFL Pull out Tranzeo Board, drop in some Adhesive Connectors plug-in the RJ-45 Connector Tranzeo Provided. Turn it on. Your lights of coarse wont be there unless you mount the board kind of weird but that should work for $60 Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair I've got a bunch of Tranzeo CPE CPQ units that are bad for one reason or another. I'm considering repairing them but not sure of the most economical way to do so. I could stick a bullet in there but will need a reverse MMCX to NF cable? Alternatively, I could throw in another radio card of some sort? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Stimulus Round 1 Application Update and some interesting analysis from the WiNOG Grants Cooperative
Commerce and Agriculture Announce Strong Demand for First Round of Funding to Bring Broadband Jobs to More Americans - Nearly 2,200 Diverse Applications Submitted for Share of $4 Billion in Funding to Expand Broadband Access and Adoption Full story available here: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/press/2009/BTOP_BIP_090827.html WiNOG GC Analysis (www.winog.orghttp://www.winog.org) Approximately $2.4 billion from RUS...is available in the first grant round Infrastructure: - More than 260 applications were filed solely with NTIA's Broadband Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP), requesting over $5.4 billion in grants to fund broadband infrastructure projects in unserved and underserved areas - More than 400 applications were filed solely with RUS's Broadband Initiatives Program (BIP), requesting nearly $5 billion in grants and loans for broadband infrastructure projects in rural areas - More than 830 applications were filed with both NTIA's BTOP and RUS's BIP, requesting nearly $12.8 billion in infrastructure funding (Applicants for infrastructure projects in rural areas must apply to BIP but were given the opportunity to jointly apply to BTOP in case RUS declines to fund their application) As Quoted from the RUS/NTIA ARRA Workshops RUS, when providing a loan, gets to leverage their appropriation $0.072 / dollar (e.g., a $1 million loan only costs RUS $72,000 in appropriations) Our Round 1 experience showed that a BTOP application represents approximately 60% more work than a BIP application. Coupling this information with the tight round 1 timeline, we conclude that applicants focused on BIP funding wouldn't go through the extra work of creating a dual BTOP filing and that applications with dual BIP/BTOP applications went that route due to the rules and were in general written with the with the purpose of failing BIP and moving into the BTOP program. Based on this observation, we adjust our application buckets in the following manner BTOP - Total Submissions: 1090 applications - Total Requested Funding: $18.2 billion BIP - Total Submissions: 400 applications - Total Requested Funding: $5 billion Probability of BIP Success To qualify for RUS funding, unless one services remote unserved areas (an extremely low percentage), RUS requires a minimum 50/50 Loan/Grant combination. Assuming that RUS award funding is distributed in this manner (normalizing for the 100% unserved grant solicitations and for applicants having a more aggressive loan/grant ratio), one can calculate some numbers and extrapolate that the $2.4 billion in RUS appropriations as follows - Average BIP Loan/Grant Combo Amount: 50/50 - Loan to Appropriation Multiplier: $0.072 / dollar - Total BIP Round 1 Appropriations: $2.4 billion - Total Round 1 BIP Grant Monies: $2.232 billion - Total Round 1 BIP Loan (in Appropriated Funds): $0.168 billion - Total Round 1 BIP Loans Monies: $2.333 billion - Total Round 1 BIP Funding Available: $4.565 billion Following these assumptions, we have a total Round 1 BIP Funding availability of $4.565 billion. Assuming that 100% of dual-purpose applications will be rejected by BIP and adding in a 30% rejection rate of submitted applications (due to incomplete applications, improper documentation, lateness, etc), we have total Round 1 BIP Funding solicitation amount of $3.5 billion. WGC members who followed our Round 1 Advice on their stimulus applications should be happy =) -Charles [cid:image001.jpg@01CA2724.D36D1DD0]http://www.ippay.com/ Charles Wumailto:c...@ippay.com President c...@ippay.commailto:c...@ippay.com cell: 773-870-0962 * office: 847-346-0990 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527http://www.converge-tech.com/www.ippay.com * tel: 847.326.0990 fax: 847.346.0991 inline: image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
That's one of the reasons I try to stay away from them. That and a really bad batch of CPE's a few years ago. Can't beat their 3650 start kit pricing though!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Am I the only one that simply can't stand the Tranzeo enclosures? I have had nothing but hell with that awful growth looking lump on the back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com wrote: One of my employees just discovered that nearly all of our bad Tranzeos could be fixed just by replacing the wireless card. R52 cards work fine on the Tranzeo board. Tranzeo just sees it just like the old card. So for the price of an R52 card you now have a new Tranzeo. Just reseal the case with a good sealent and you are in business again. We also do use the cases with Crossroads and 411s also when the Tranzeo board is dead. Makes for a very good radio. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's basically what we do with our out of warranty Tranzeo's, your screwed with the newer Tranzeo's because they don't have a cat5e jumper inside, their Ethernet mounts flush on the backplate. In my past experience some of the Tranzeo's are a crap shoot opening up. Some of them have silicone that releases very well, some of the others break right away. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Consider Mikrotik RB411r $55 UFL Pull out Tranzeo Board, drop in some Adhesive Connectors plug-in the RJ-45 Connector Tranzeo Provided. Turn it on. Your lights of coarse wont be there unless you mount the board kind of weird but that should work for $60 Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair I've got a bunch of Tranzeo CPE CPQ units that are bad for one reason or another. I'm considering repairing them but not sure of the most economical way to do so. I could stick a bullet in there but will need a reverse MMCX to NF cable? Alternatively, I could throw in another radio card of some sort? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
We experimented with Tranzeo several years ago. There is one 5ghz CPE that's been connected at -84 servicing someone desperate for Internet since we started. I think it was February 2007. All of the other Tranzeo units since then have died and we've been forced to replace them. They're not bad at all, really, just the painful need to crimp it on the tower is what really does it in for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote: Can't say I like Tranzeo much in general...you get what you pay for. I mean we have some links that have been running for a while with no problem, but overall we try to go towards higher quality product when we can and only use Tranzeo in a pinch. On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 15:31 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Am I the only one that simply can't stand the Tranzeo enclosures? I have had nothing but hell with that awful growth looking lump on the back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com wrote: One of my employees just discovered that nearly all of our bad Tranzeos could be fixed just by replacing the wireless card. R52 cards work fine on the Tranzeo board. Tranzeo just sees it just like the old card. So for the price of an R52 card you now have a new Tranzeo. Just reseal the case with a good sealent and you are in business again. We also do use the cases with Crossroads and 411s also when the Tranzeo board is dead. Makes for a very good radio. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's basically what we do with our out of warranty Tranzeo's, your screwed with the newer Tranzeo's because they don't have a cat5e jumper inside, their Ethernet mounts flush on the backplate. In my past experience some of the Tranzeo's are a crap shoot opening up. Some of them have silicone that releases very well, some of the others break right away. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Consider Mikrotik RB411r $55 UFL Pull out Tranzeo Board, drop in some Adhesive Connectors plug-in the RJ-45 Connector Tranzeo Provided. Turn it on. Your lights of coarse wont be there unless you mount the board kind of weird but that should work for $60 Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair I've got a bunch of Tranzeo CPE CPQ units that are bad for one reason or another. I'm considering repairing them but not sure of the most economical way to do so. I could stick a bullet in there but will need a reverse MMCX to NF cable? Alternatively, I could throw in another radio card of some sort? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
I know! And that has been discussed many times and Tranzeo is adamant that it is the best way. I'd like to see them tall that to some of my climbers. Thank goodness for those EZ-45 connectors and that special crimper. Takes some of the pain out of teaching a tower monkey to make a good termination! Most of our Tranzeo is still working but we switched away due to the issues with the GUI not working correctly when the radio was linked. We are sorta looking at them again for 3.65, but I understand they still have the inoperable tumor on the rear of the enclosure. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:53 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair We experimented with Tranzeo several years ago. There is one 5ghz CPE that's been connected at -84 servicing someone desperate for Internet since we started. I think it was February 2007. All of the other Tranzeo units since then have died and we've been forced to replace them. They're not bad at all, really, just the painful need to crimp it on the tower is what really does it in for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote: Can't say I like Tranzeo much in general...you get what you pay for. I mean we have some links that have been running for a while with no problem, but overall we try to go towards higher quality product when we can and only use Tranzeo in a pinch. On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 15:31 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Am I the only one that simply can't stand the Tranzeo enclosures? I have had nothing but hell with that awful growth looking lump on the back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com wrote: One of my employees just discovered that nearly all of our bad Tranzeos could be fixed just by replacing the wireless card. R52 cards work fine on the Tranzeo board. Tranzeo just sees it just like the old card. So for the price of an R52 card you now have a new Tranzeo. Just reseal the case with a good sealent and you are in business again. We also do use the cases with Crossroads and 411s also when the Tranzeo board is dead. Makes for a very good radio. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's basically what we do with our out of warranty Tranzeo's, your screwed with the newer Tranzeo's because they don't have a cat5e jumper inside, their Ethernet mounts flush on the backplate. In my past experience some of the Tranzeo's are a crap shoot opening up. Some of them have silicone that releases very well, some of the others break right away. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Consider Mikrotik RB411r $55 UFL Pull out Tranzeo Board, drop in some Adhesive Connectors plug-in the RJ-45 Connector Tranzeo Provided. Turn it on. Your lights of coarse wont be there unless you mount the board kind of weird but that should work for $60 Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair I've got a bunch of Tranzeo CPE CPQ units that are bad for one reason or another. I'm considering repairing them but not sure of the most economical way to do so. I could stick a bullet in there but will need a reverse MMCX to NF cable? Alternatively, I could throw in another radio card of some sort? Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
Best way...if this wasn't a public list. We almost left the idea of a WISP behind because every good rainstorm or few we'd lose a Tranzeo AP. Water some how managed to get in that stupid bump. I just threw the last one out a few months ago but it was a priceless image - we had the pigtail from where it was cut (THANKS TRANZEO), in the plastic bump sitting in a square puddle of silicon and the crease between plastic/metal was lined with coax seal. Took it off after lightning got it and it was dry! Lesson - you either die by lightning or water in Tranzeo, never old age =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:02 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: I know! And that has been discussed many times and Tranzeo is adamant that it is the best way. I'd like to see them tall that to some of my climbers. Thank goodness for those EZ-45 connectors and that special crimper. Takes some of the pain out of teaching a tower monkey to make a good termination! Most of our Tranzeo is still working but we switched away due to the issues with the GUI not working correctly when the radio was linked. We are sorta looking at them again for 3.65, but I understand they still have the inoperable tumor on the rear of the enclosure. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:53 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair We experimented with Tranzeo several years ago. There is one 5ghz CPE that's been connected at -84 servicing someone desperate for Internet since we started. I think it was February 2007. All of the other Tranzeo units since then have died and we've been forced to replace them. They're not bad at all, really, just the painful need to crimp it on the tower is what really does it in for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Can't say I like Tranzeo much in general...you get what you pay for. I mean we have some links that have been running for a while with no problem, but overall we try to go towards higher quality product when we can and only use Tranzeo in a pinch. On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 15:31 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Am I the only one that simply can't stand the Tranzeo enclosures? I have had nothing but hell with that awful growth looking lump on the back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com wrote: One of my employees just discovered that nearly all of our bad Tranzeos could be fixed just by replacing the wireless card. R52 cards work fine on the Tranzeo board. Tranzeo just sees it just like the old card. So for the price of an R52 card you now have a new Tranzeo. Just reseal the case with a good sealent and you are in business again. We also do use the cases with Crossroads and 411s also when the Tranzeo board is dead. Makes for a very good radio. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's basically what we do with our out of warranty Tranzeo's, your screwed with the newer Tranzeo's because they don't have a cat5e jumper inside, their Ethernet mounts flush on the backplate. In my past experience some of the Tranzeo's are a crap shoot opening up. Some of them have silicone that releases very well, some of the others break right away. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Consider Mikrotik RB411r $55 UFL Pull out Tranzeo Board, drop in some Adhesive Connectors plug-in the RJ-45 Connector Tranzeo Provided. Turn it on. Your lights of coarse wont be there unless you mount the board kind of weird but that should work for $60 Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] solar site
But isn't your panel expense 2 to 4 times as much? I looked at powering some Tropos and Cisco mesh with solar and compared 48v with 12 volt. The 12 volt used a really high efficiency inverter to 120v and then to the radio. It was less than half the overall cost of the 48v system. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Erickson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site * 48 volt power system (actually -48VDC) is a telco standard and there is a LOT of carrier-class telecom equipment and charging systems designed to operate on that voltage. Especially a lot of remote management control and monitoring stuff. * For the same watts, when voltage goes up, amperage goes down. This means less percentage energy loss from voltage drop in wiring and the ability to use smaller gauge wire for power. * Using high-efficiency Picoverters to power 12VDC and 24VDC devices from 48VDC means that your 12VDC devices can still operate reliably when the 48VDC battery plant is down to near exhaustion. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Chris, Re #4: Is that because the usable voltage? Ie: 11.2V of 12, 18 of 24? 36-38 of 48? Are these close to correct for std POE? Or what WISP's use? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Erickson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I have designed a fair number of off-grid radio sites and in general, I have come up with a few additional guidelines. 1. Have enough battery capacity to run for 7 days with zero charging. This will give you a window of response time if the charging system suffers a failure (or theft/vandalism) or there is an extended episode of inclement weather. 2. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. 3. Avoid any equipment that has a built-in cooling fan. 4. 48 volt power systems are more efficient than 24 volt power systems are more efficient than 12 volt power systems. 5. Avoid inverters and equipment that is 120VAC only. 6. Don't forget to consider environmental issues and projected temperature extremes. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Instead of talking 33.3 days and 24 hours of sun, let's just take an average day. At optimal output, and for the sake of argument, let's say our 60W rated panels only produce 45W; optimally. Let's lob off 12% of that to satisfy the naysayers and devil's advocates, and to account for inefficiencies. We have a power output of close enough to 40W. Not all can do it, but for the short run repeater, and with two radios, let's say we run it at 12V, while loosing less heat at the voltage regulator on the radio. Since we're rounding numbers, we'll call that 3.3A. The radios require .8A. During optimal conditions, there are 2.5A free to charge the battery. On our average day, we have 6 hours of optimal sun, maybe more, maybe less. We have gained 15AH of charge to send to our battery. For 3 more hours of the day we will receive less than optimal output -- 2.5A, for another gain of 5.1AH. We now have 20.1AH more than we need to run the radios. We will get another hour of diminished 1A or less output but will not consider that here. So, during our 24 hours, we are either generating enough, or excess for 9 hours. We have to store power for the 15 hours where our system is not generating power. We have to provide 12AH for dark time. We have already generated an excess of 20.1AH. We can provide 8.11AH on our average day to keep our battery charged. If the 12V storage battery is capable of 800AH, and it is topped off with our system it CAN keep the repeater going for 41 days. If you monitor battery condition, you should be able to see a net loss coming way before it shuts down the repeater. Assumptions: We are using efficient radios capable of running at 12V or less. Let's say both are Atheros based Deliberant radios. The CAT5 run to our radios is insignificant, and not
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Another example of overkill, but you'll never have to go back and fix it... except when the neighbors complain how ugly it is :) Up to 2 mast! ralph wrote: This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Wonder if it works on real chimneys or just the cardboard ones =P Randy is right though - do it right the first time and never again! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Another example of overkill, but you'll never have to go back and fix it... except when the neighbors complain how ugly it is :) Up to 2 mast! ralph wrote: This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg%5B/IMG%5D Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
Jack, you're quite welcome. There are lots more examples, like renewing my ham radio license (have you checked http://www.vanityhq.com/ to see a GOOGLE MAP of all the hams in your neighborhood?...it's amazing). About the 10Mbps.it isn't a requirement at all now nor is 5Mbps even. My point is that the various bureaucratic and legislative ears are bombarded by a cacophony of specifications and functions that make no sense to them. Hence, we get things back that make no sense. . . . j o n a t h a n _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps Jonathan, Thank you for your very good examples of how you use always-on broadband to take care of Medicare, driver's license renewals, etc. We will use these examples to help make the case why broadband should be extended to all Americans. Your point about students needing 10 Mbps is important too although, without adequate spectrum, this can be technically challenging to do wirelessly for large numbers of people. Perhaps the government should consider subsidizing WISPs who extend fiber to rural locations. jack Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
I have used some like that (only 2 straps) worked alright - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Wonder if it works on real chimneys or just the cardboard ones =P Randy is right though - do it right the first time and never again! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Another example of overkill, but you'll never have to go back and fix it... except when the neighbors complain how ugly it is :) Up to 2 mast! ralph wrote: This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg%5B/IMG%5D Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a carpenter bill as well. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] WaveRider 3000 CCU
Dennis, Three things.. 1. The radio does need to be in switched mode not routed if you are using the MKTK as the router. protocol switched 2. The DHCP relay server IP needs to be added DHCP add X.X.X.X 3. Enable the DHCP relay DHCP enable That should do it. Make sure the CCU knows how to get to the DHCP relay. If it's in the same subnet shouldn't be a problem, if not you will have to add a route to the CCU. Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies Dennis Burgess wrote: I have a customer with one of these and they just want the RouterOS box in front of it to pass DHCP out. Simple BRIDGE as easy as pie, anyone have any docs, suggestions on how to make this thing work? --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
What are you guys using to cut Unistrut? I love using it for side mounts on towers but most of those were precut to length before I arrived at the work site... On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a carpenter bill as well. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
I was debating whether or not it was an early/or late April first product introduction. No way I'd use one of those ugly things! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Another example of overkill, but you'll never have to go back and fix it... except when the neighbors complain how ugly it is :) Up to 2 mast! ralph wrote: This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
I don't know why you guys are getting water in your Tranzeo's boot covers, I've only had water in 1 out of 350 and that was because I just finger tightened the screws. I usually never tighten them all the way down just snug them a little with a socket driver. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Best way...if this wasn't a public list. We almost left the idea of a WISP behind because every good rainstorm or few we'd lose a Tranzeo AP. Water some how managed to get in that stupid bump. I just threw the last one out a few months ago but it was a priceless image - we had the pigtail from where it was cut (THANKS TRANZEO), in the plastic bump sitting in a square puddle of silicon and the crease between plastic/metal was lined with coax seal. Took it off after lightning got it and it was dry! Lesson - you either die by lightning or water in Tranzeo, never old age =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:02 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: I know! And that has been discussed many times and Tranzeo is adamant that it is the best way. I'd like to see them tall that to some of my climbers. Thank goodness for those EZ-45 connectors and that special crimper. Takes some of the pain out of teaching a tower monkey to make a good termination! Most of our Tranzeo is still working but we switched away due to the issues with the GUI not working correctly when the radio was linked. We are sorta looking at them again for 3.65, but I understand they still have the inoperable tumor on the rear of the enclosure. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:53 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair We experimented with Tranzeo several years ago. There is one 5ghz CPE that's been connected at -84 servicing someone desperate for Internet since we started. I think it was February 2007. All of the other Tranzeo units since then have died and we've been forced to replace them. They're not bad at all, really, just the painful need to crimp it on the tower is what really does it in for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Can't say I like Tranzeo much in general...you get what you pay for. I mean we have some links that have been running for a while with no problem, but overall we try to go towards higher quality product when we can and only use Tranzeo in a pinch. On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 15:31 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Am I the only one that simply can't stand the Tranzeo enclosures? I have had nothing but hell with that awful growth looking lump on the back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com wrote: One of my employees just discovered that nearly all of our bad Tranzeos could be fixed just by replacing the wireless card. R52 cards work fine on the Tranzeo board. Tranzeo just sees it just like the old card. So for the price of an R52 card you now have a new Tranzeo. Just reseal the case with a good sealent and you are in business again. We also do use the cases with Crossroads and 411s also when the Tranzeo board is dead. Makes for a very good radio. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's basically what we do with our out of warranty Tranzeo's, your screwed with the newer Tranzeo's because they don't have a cat5e jumper inside, their Ethernet mounts flush on the backplate. In my past experience some of the Tranzeo's are a crap shoot opening up. Some of them have silicone that releases very well, some of the others break right away. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:
Re: [WISPA] solar site
Here is the info on the Picoverters and other high efficiency converters from RO Associates: http://www.roassoc.com Average efficiency of about 87%. I wish it were 97%. Adding more 6V batts for more overall watt-hours of capacity will be the best way to extend run time. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Thank you Chris for a great explanation! But it brings to mind two more questions (I know, I'm a PITA) Do Picoverters have much loss? ( I think I know inverters lose 20% or more ) And what is 'near exhaustion' on a 48 vdc plant? ( I'm assuming 4 12 volt batteries or 8 6 volt golf cart batteries ) Say a piconverter running 48 to 24vdc, how low can the input voltage go and it still supply 24 volts to a 4 radio board? I'm asking this question because we currently have a very well operating solar site with 2 deep cycle marine batteries, running 24vdc direct POE. Now on a new site, would using a 48 to 24vdc option, would it extend our dark / foggy day capacity appreciably? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Erickson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site * 48 volt power system (actually -48VDC) is a telco standard and there is a LOT of carrier-class telecom equipment and charging systems designed to operate on that voltage. Especially a lot of remote management control and monitoring stuff. * For the same watts, when voltage goes up, amperage goes down. This means less percentage energy loss from voltage drop in wiring and the ability to use smaller gauge wire for power. * Using high-efficiency Picoverters to power 12VDC and 24VDC devices from 48VDC means that your 12VDC devices can still operate reliably when the 48VDC battery plant is down to near exhaustion. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Chris, Re #4: Is that because the usable voltage? Ie: 11.2V of 12, 18 of 24? 36-38 of 48? Are these close to correct for std POE? Or what WISP's use? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Erickson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site I have designed a fair number of off-grid radio sites and in general, I have come up with a few additional guidelines. 1. Have enough battery capacity to run for 7 days with zero charging. This will give you a window of response time if the charging system suffers a failure (or theft/vandalism) or there is an extended episode of inclement weather. 2. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. 3. Avoid any equipment that has a built-in cooling fan. 4. 48 volt power systems are more efficient than 24 volt power systems are more efficient than 12 volt power systems. 5. Avoid inverters and equipment that is 120VAC only. 6. Don't forget to consider environmental issues and projected temperature extremes. My advice is always free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Instead of talking 33.3 days and 24 hours of sun, let's just take an average day. At optimal output, and for the sake of argument, let's say our 60W rated panels only produce 45W; optimally. Let's lob off 12% of that to satisfy the naysayers and devil's advocates, and to account for inefficiencies. We have a power output of close enough to 40W. Not all can do it, but for the short run repeater, and with two radios, let's say we run it at 12V, while loosing less heat at the voltage regulator on the radio. Since we're
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
I was thinking the same thing. I saw a strapped pole to a chimney once for a TV antenna and it had crumbled the brick/mortar to the point that it was falling apart. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a carpenter bill as well. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Recip saw with medium metal blade. AJ wrote: What are you guys using to cut Unistrut? I love using it for side mounts on towers but most of those were precut to length before I arrived at the work site... On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a carpenter bill as well. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
I'm just on the other side of Ohio and we got it ALL of the time... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I don't know why you guys are getting water in your Tranzeo's boot covers, I've only had water in 1 out of 350 and that was because I just finger tightened the screws. I usually never tighten them all the way down just snug them a little with a socket driver. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair Best way...if this wasn't a public list. We almost left the idea of a WISP behind because every good rainstorm or few we'd lose a Tranzeo AP. Water some how managed to get in that stupid bump. I just threw the last one out a few months ago but it was a priceless image - we had the pigtail from where it was cut (THANKS TRANZEO), in the plastic bump sitting in a square puddle of silicon and the crease between plastic/metal was lined with coax seal. Took it off after lightning got it and it was dry! Lesson - you either die by lightning or water in Tranzeo, never old age =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:02 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: I know! And that has been discussed many times and Tranzeo is adamant that it is the best way. I'd like to see them tall that to some of my climbers. Thank goodness for those EZ-45 connectors and that special crimper. Takes some of the pain out of teaching a tower monkey to make a good termination! Most of our Tranzeo is still working but we switched away due to the issues with the GUI not working correctly when the radio was linked. We are sorta looking at them again for 3.65, but I understand they still have the inoperable tumor on the rear of the enclosure. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:53 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair We experimented with Tranzeo several years ago. There is one 5ghz CPE that's been connected at -84 servicing someone desperate for Internet since we started. I think it was February 2007. All of the other Tranzeo units since then have died and we've been forced to replace them. They're not bad at all, really, just the painful need to crimp it on the tower is what really does it in for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Can't say I like Tranzeo much in general...you get what you pay for. I mean we have some links that have been running for a while with no problem, but overall we try to go towards higher quality product when we can and only use Tranzeo in a pinch. On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 15:31 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Am I the only one that simply can't stand the Tranzeo enclosures? I have had nothing but hell with that awful growth looking lump on the back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bill Gaylord bi...@torchlake.com wrote: One of my employees just discovered that nearly all of our bad Tranzeos could be fixed just by replacing the wireless card. R52 cards work fine on the Tranzeo board. Tranzeo just sees it just like the old card. So for the price of an R52 card you now have a new Tranzeo. Just reseal the case with a good sealent and you are in business again. We also do use the cases with Crossroads and 411s also when the Tranzeo board is dead. Makes for a very good radio. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: That's basically what we do with our out of warranty Tranzeo's, your screwed with the newer
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make cash, didn't know a thing about wifi or networking. But the 2 motivators for him was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make up mounts for whatever situation they were in.. Dunno how that was ever gonna work right and it never did. When the wind blew these things would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up some bracket out of legos, basically. The second motivation is that the new owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration, which is a good idea for anyone. So somehow he came up with this pipe bent at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner. Cheap, cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted in a matter of minutes. I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Not a bad idea at all. It would cut out a tripod and possible roof damage liability. That 'u' part, what is the apx depth of the 'u'? 18 24? and 10-12 vertically? If you are running around in the next few days, can you shoot a photo or two of a representative sample? I do like the idea of rolling it to the side and lagging it to the eve. Also, when extending it, you could add two pieces of EMT at a 45's, similar to a overhead power drop. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Reproach saw. Same thing with all thread but make sure you put the bolts on before doing the cut. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:53:15 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What are you guys using to cut Unistrut? I love using it for side mounts on towers but most of those were precut to length before I arrived at the work site... On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a carpenter bill as well. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into
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I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points. Perhaps I am missing something... ASCII art of what I am thinking below. | | | | | | | ___/ / | | Robert West wrote: Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make cash, didn't know a thing about wifi or networking. But the 2 motivators for him was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make up mounts for whatever situation they were in.. Dunno how that was ever gonna work right and it never did. When the wind blew these things would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up some bracket out of legos, basically. The second motivation is that the new owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration, which is a good idea for anyone. So somehow he came up with this pipe bent at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner. Cheap, cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted in a matter of minutes. I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics. Bob- -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I think you mean straight up from the j-arm. ASCII art didn't turn out from what I see. On 8/27/09, J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com wrote: I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points. Perhaps I am missing something... ASCII art of what I am thinking below. | | | | | | | ___/ / | | Robert West wrote: Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make cash, didn't know a thing about wifi or networking. But the 2 motivators for him was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make up mounts for whatever situation they were in.. Dunno how that was ever gonna work right and it never did. When the wind blew these things would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up some bracket out of legos, basically. The second motivation is that the new owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration, which is a good idea for anyone. So somehow he came up with this pipe bent at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner. Cheap, cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted in a matter of minutes. I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics. Bob- -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Obviously, my ASCII art skills are lacking. :) You are correct. Josh Luthman wrote: I think you mean straight up from the j-arm. ASCII art didn't turn out from what I see. On 8/27/09, J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com wrote: I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points. Perhaps I am missing something... ASCII art of what I am thinking below. | | | | | | | ___/ / | | Robert West wrote: Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make cash, didn't know a thing about wifi or networking. But the 2 motivators for him was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make up mounts for whatever situation they were in.. Dunno how that was ever gonna work right and it never did. When the wind blew these things would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up some bracket out of legos, basically. The second motivation is that the new owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration, which is a good idea for anyone. So somehow he came up with this pipe bent at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner. Cheap, cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted in a matter of minutes. I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics. Bob- -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
