Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

LOL  Love those palm trees!  I used to live there, don't envy you a bit.  grin

I normally turn my radios way down anyway.  With the sensitivity of today's 
radios there's no need for hot links.

30 to 35dB of s/n is, in my not so humble opinion way too much.  That's well 
within the range of multipath signals.  Lower power may actually help this link 
perform better.

The fact that the rssi is frozen is strange.  If there is no link there should 
be no rssi either.  I wonder about the health of the board.  This sounds a lot 
more like a lockup than it does a signal issue.

I don't know anything about the configuration that you have built so I don't 
know what it should be telling you.

Is it possible for you to just replace the ap with something more standard and 
newer?

I can do a really good AP for under a $500 these days.  With good boards, an 
amazing hinged enclosure, lots of room etc.  We've gotten things dialed in so 
that there is NO need for 25 tools, tape or anything up on the tower.  A screw 
driver and crescent wrench is about all that's needed to swap parts, including 
antennas.

Sometimes it costs more to try to fix a problem like this than it does to just 
replace the gear.
marlon

  - Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Sharples 
  To: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) ; WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


  When the problem happens, the rssi is "frozen" so I suspect there's actually 
no connectivity any more. Definitely no data. I haven't been able to get 
someone to look at the other end while it's happening, to see what they see.  
During normal operation the s/n is around 30 to 35 db on the varous legs, and 
bandwidth, latency, etc is as we would expect. As you probably know the CM9s 
only put out around 50 mw but that's usually adequate for short-haul apps like 
this.

  At present I can't access the system at all,  because the client has 
apparently allowed palm trees to grow into the path of the 5-mile (XR5) ptp 
backhaul we put in to feed it :-( and with today's rain it's killed the link. 
Once those are cut I should have access again and can run more tests.

  Thanks,

  Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


Are you loosing connectivity to the client radios or only loosing data from 
them?

What do your link stats show?  Signal quality etc.

What are your eirp levels at normally and during the events?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Sharples 
  To: Wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:46 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


  Hello all,

  We're seeing an odd problem at a customer location in Honolulu. About a 
year ago, we set up a pretty conventional point-to-multipoint 5.8 Ghz setup for 
video surveillance - a dual-radio gateway node attached to a pair of sector 
antennas, and 4 client radios (2 on each sector) attached to IP cams. The 
client radios are between 1/4 to 1/2 mile away from the gateway node. This is a 
multi-building industrial project in a fairly heavily polluted (RF wise) area. 
There's a Home Depot and Lowes nearby with equipment on all 5.8 Ghz channels. 
However our radios scan well above the noise floor.

  Our equipment uses pcengines alix boards running our own linux-based OS 
and CM9's using standard madwifi-style drivers. Same thing we've been using for 
years.

  This installation worked well at first. However, we are now seeing a 
situation in which both gateway radios suddenly stop receiving data from the 
downstream clients. This lasts from 5 to 20 minutes or so and then magically 
fixes itself. When I ssh in during the problem, there'e no indication of 
low-level driver problems or crashes, everything looks normal except for the 
sudden lack of data and connectivity with the client devices. 

  This installation is near Pearl Harbor and there are constant overflights 
from military aircraft. I'm wondering if this is a sensitivity issue to e.g. 
radar or some other high-powered signals from these planes. I've seen things 
like this before but never lasting up to 20 minutes. Would we see an 
improvement by switching to XR5's? We don't normally use those on short hauls 
like but they have better OOB filters than the CM9's. Thoughts?

  Thanks,

  Tom S.



--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Barron Lake MI Area Coverage?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Clyde, can you be of help here?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Broadwick" 
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Barron Lake MI Area Coverage?


> Hi All,
> 
> I have a friend about a mile N/E of Barron lake (right outside Niles)
> Michigan that can't find internet service.
> 
> Do you cover it, or know of coverage?
> 
> Jeff
> 574-220-7826
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Are you loosing connectivity to the client radios or only loosing data from 
them?

What do your link stats show?  Signal quality etc.

What are your eirp levels at normally and during the events?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Sharples 
  To: Wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:46 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] CM9 Rx blocking problem?


  Hello all,

  We're seeing an odd problem at a customer location in Honolulu. About a year 
ago, we set up a pretty conventional point-to-multipoint 5.8 Ghz setup for 
video surveillance - a dual-radio gateway node attached to a pair of sector 
antennas, and 4 client radios (2 on each sector) attached to IP cams. The 
client radios are between 1/4 to 1/2 mile away from the gateway node. This is a 
multi-building industrial project in a fairly heavily polluted (RF wise) area. 
There's a Home Depot and Lowes nearby with equipment on all 5.8 Ghz channels. 
However our radios scan well above the noise floor.

  Our equipment uses pcengines alix boards running our own linux-based OS and 
CM9's using standard madwifi-style drivers. Same thing we've been using for 
years.

  This installation worked well at first. However, we are now seeing a 
situation in which both gateway radios suddenly stop receiving data from the 
downstream clients. This lasts from 5 to 20 minutes or so and then magically 
fixes itself. When I ssh in during the problem, there'e no indication of 
low-level driver problems or crashes, everything looks normal except for the 
sudden lack of data and connectivity with the client devices. 

  This installation is near Pearl Harbor and there are constant overflights 
from military aircraft. I'm wondering if this is a sensitivity issue to e.g. 
radar or some other high-powered signals from these planes. I've seen things 
like this before but never lasting up to 20 minutes. Would we see an 
improvement by switching to XR5's? We don't normally use those on short hauls 
like but they have better OOB filters than the CM9's. Thoughts?

  Thanks,

  Tom S.



--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] FW: New Broadband Public Notice has been Published

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I think you and I are the only two wisps that didn't go!

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Owen" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:26 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FW: New Broadband Public Notice has been Published


>I know everyone (most everyone) is at WISPAPALOOSA and I suspect having a 
>great time.
>
> I wanted to forward the following notice along to everyone is case you 
> don't or haven't seen this. In this case it appears a rural power coop is 
> filing and has applied for some RUS funding to build out some broadband. 
> I haven't actually seen the filing yet, just this public notice.  If you 
> are currently serving the area, this is your chance to reply and let the 
> RUS know you have it covered.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rd.broadb...@wdc.usda.gov [mailto:rd.broadb...@wdc.usda.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:40 AM
> To: Kevin Owen
> Subject: New Broadband Public Notice has been Published
>
> A new Public Notice Filing has been published based on the submission of a 
> new loan application
> to the RUS Broadband Loan and Loan Guarantee Program.  To view click on 
> http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/LegalNoticeFiling/View.aspx?LegalNoticeFilingId=44633ba2-bbad-4204-9854-6f8440f2ce1b
>
> If you wish to unsubscribe to this notification system, please click on 
> http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/Subscription/Initiate.aspx?action=cancel
>
> Sincerely,
> The Rural Utilities Service (RUS)
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] UC Berkeley study on WISPs

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I took the survey and a couple of things didn't quite fit for us.

On the outages.  We have a lot of tower sites and 4 different upstream 
connections.  There is always some kind of trouble somewhere on the network. 
But the whole network has almost never gone down and never for very long.

Power outages are rare and usually shorter than our batteries will hold us 
online for.  Every few years a longer one hits us but we usually are able to 
get generator power in place.

You also asked a question about how much internet we've sold to our 
consumers.  I assume you are looking for "over subscription" numbers.

I wasn't sure how to answer that.  We sell a best effort service.  Our 
customers aren't promised anything in excess of what our incoming capacity 
is.  But often my network will deliver more capacity than we even have 
coming into a community.  So the overall customer capacity is every high 
above what our incoming capacity is.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Shaddi Hasan" 
To: 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UC Berkeley study on WISPs


I'd be happy to do so; after I've compiled all the results I'll put
together a report to send out to WISPA.

Thanks!
Shaddi

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Brough Turner  
wrote:
> Hi Shaddi,
>
> As an additional inducement, you might offer to send copies of whatever
> paper or report comes out of your research. I know I'd be interested in
> reading such a report
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brough
>
>
>
> Brough Turner
>
> netBlazr Inc. – Free your Broadband!
>
> Website | Google+ | Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | Blog | netBlazr Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/30/12 12:15 PM, Shaddi Hasan wrote:
>
> tl;dr: Please take my survey about WISPs! It's quick and anonymous;
> you'll help science, and you might win a $100 Amazon gift card! SURVEY
> LINK ---> http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu/drupal/wisp-study
>
> Hello!
>
> My name is Shaddi, and I'm a graduate student at UC Berkeley in the
> TIER research group (http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu).
>
> We're conducting a research study on the network management practices
> and challenges faced by WISPs. Our study's goal is to develop an
> understanding of the network management practices and challenges of
> WISPs in order to guide research towards making WISPs simpler to
> manage.
>
> Our study has two parts. The first is a survey (which should take
> about 5-10 minutes). Every question in our survey is optional, and
> best estimates are fine. After completing the survey, you may
> volunteer to participate in a completely optional follow-up phone
> interview, which should take 30-45 minutes.
>
> After completing the survey, you may provide your email address to be
> entered into a drawing for one of three $100 Amazon.com gift cards.
> Those who complete a follow-up interview will be entered into a
> separate drawing for one of two additional $100 Amazon.com gift cards.
>
> Here's what I promise:
> 1) This survey is completely anonymous, though if you choose to
> provide your name and/or your organization's name, I won't share it
> with anyone.
> 2) If I publish data from this study, I will only report aggregate
> statistics.
> 3) I will only share the raw data from the study with my research
> advisor, Prof. Eric Brewer.
>
> Here's the link to the survey:
> http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu/drupal/wisp-study
>
> If you have any questions, feel free to contact me either directly or
> on-list.
>
> Thanks!
> Shaddi
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brough
>
>
>
> Brough Turner
>
> netBlazr Inc. – Free your Broadband!
>
> Mobile: 617-285-0433 Skype: brough
>
> netBlazr Inc. | Google+ | Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | Blog | Personal
> website
>
>
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Right.

But we have to SELL the filing now.  Just putting it on paper isn't enough.

If it were, our competition wouldn't be at the FCC on a daily basis :-).
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jack Unger 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Cc: WISPA's FCC Committee 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF


  In fact, WISPA has already gone on record AGAINST the current rule that a 
single company has to provide both voice and data. WISPA asked the FCC to 
change the rule so that CAF subsidies would be denied in "an area subject to 
unsubsidized competition". What this means is that if an area is already served 
with both voice and broadband data, even if these services are provided by two 
separate companies, then no one else should be able to receive subsidies to 
serve that area. 

  (Crack! "Base hit!! It's a double to center field!!")

  jack


  On 5/29/2012 9:40 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: 
Right.

And that's why we still have to fight they current rules as proposed.

We've made the statement that if any company offers un subsidized service 
then no one should get a tax payer funded leg up in the market.

Under the current rules a SINGLE company has to provide both *facilities 
based *voice and broadband without subsidies before the faucet is shut off 
to the USF/CAF recipient.

We're in the bottom of the 9th inning and we're down by a couple of runs, 2 
out full count and Casey is at bat.

Are we going to swing at the ball or just stand there and watch it fly by?

marlon


- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Goldstein" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF


At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote:
Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to
wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl?  They
should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to
work?
In fact, that *was* the rule.  Or at least they had to wholesale the
DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS.  When the FCC detariffed
DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the
subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their USF.

The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they
allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information
service, and still get subsidized.  That's how they want to "improve"
broadband availability.  Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were
active in getting that passed? ;-)

 --
 Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
 ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
 +1 617 795 2701

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless




-- 
Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks"
Serving the WISP Community since 1993
www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com





--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I'm not sure that any sort of CLEC that you are piped into would count Fred. 
That's not facilities based.  They are, but the company providing service 
isn't.  And the rules specifically state that the voice provider has to be 
facilities based.

It may be fuzzy though.  I know our voice circuits here in Odessa are 
switched in another town unless the fiber gets cut.  Then an old local 
switch kicks in or some such thing.  Go figure.

Either way, we need to keep pushing just like our competitors are.

Fred, what are your long term thoughts of voip?  I think it's going to go 
down the drain just like all other land lines are starting to do.  I think 
there will be business lines and a few home phones.  But in the next 10 or 
20 years I'll bet less than half the land lines out there will exist. 
(Unless they are required for data services also.)

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Goldstein" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF


> At 5/29/2012 01:05 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
>>"Facilities Based" excludes all fixed wireless, is that correct?
>
> No.  The "unsubsidized competitor" rule includes fixed wireless.
>
>>Would VoIP - properly reported, taxed, etc. - qualify as voice?
>
> Yes.  It has to meet reasonable quality standards, provide E911
> access, and have a local number, but the multiplexing header is not a
> disqualifier.  So if you can find a VoIP provider with local numbers
> in your area and can get say an MPLS pipe to them, it would do.  In
> some extreme cases you may need to fimd a CLEC willing to add service
> in your area, or create your own CLEC.
>
>>Randy
>>
>>On 5/29/2012 10:40 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
>> > Right.
>> >
>> > And that's why we still have to fight they current rules as proposed.
>> >
>> > We've made the statement that if any company offers un subsidized 
>> > service
>> > then no one should get a tax payer funded leg up in the market.
>> >
>> > Under the current rules a SINGLE company has to provide both 
>> > *facilities
>> > based *voice and broadband without subsidies before the faucet is shut 
>> > off
>> > to the USF/CAF recipient.
>> >
>> > We're in the bottom of the 9th inning and we're down by a couple of 
>> > runs, 2
>> > out full count and Casey is at bat.
>> >
>> > Are we going to swing at the ball or just stand there and watch it fly 
>> > by?
>> >
>> > marlon
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Fred Goldstein" 
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:16 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF
>> >
>> >
>> >> At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote:
>> >>> Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to
>> >>> wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl?  They
>> >>> should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to
>> >>> work?
>> >> In fact, that *was* the rule.  Or at least they had to wholesale the
>> >> DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS.  When the FCC detariffed
>> >> DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the
>> >> subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their 
>> >> USF.
>> >>
>> >> The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they
>> >> allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information
>> >> service, and still get subsidized.  That's how they want to "improve"
>> >> broadband availability.  Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were
>> >> active in getting that passed? ;-)
>> >>
>
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>  +1 617 795 2701
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Right.

And that's why we still have to fight they current rules as proposed.

We've made the statement that if any company offers un subsidized service 
then no one should get a tax payer funded leg up in the market.

Under the current rules a SINGLE company has to provide both *facilities 
based *voice and broadband without subsidies before the faucet is shut off 
to the USF/CAF recipient.

We're in the bottom of the 9th inning and we're down by a couple of runs, 2 
out full count and Casey is at bat.

Are we going to swing at the ball or just stand there and watch it fly by?

marlon


- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Goldstein" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF


> At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote:
>>Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to
>>wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl?  They
>>should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to
>>work?
>
> In fact, that *was* the rule.  Or at least they had to wholesale the
> DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS.  When the FCC detariffed
> DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the
> subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their USF.
>
> The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they
> allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information
> service, and still get subsidized.  That's how they want to "improve"
> broadband availability.  Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were
> active in getting that passed? ;-)
>
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>  +1 617 795 2701
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

For the purposes of these maps it doesn't really have to be that exact.  Close, 
yes.  But exactness isn't needed.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cameron Crum 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do!


  Accurate propagation studies require a lot more than just submitting 
coordinates, heights and frequencies. You really can't just use some set of 
default numbers for all the parameters involved. You need antenna patterns, 
gains (on both ends), C/I values, noise figures, and a whole host of other 
info. This doesn't even include optimizing for clutter categories and 
elevations. If you don't have this, you might as well just draw circles as it 
would be about as useful. I spent a lot of years making good money doing just 
this for the cellular industry. They understood that designing a network 
incorrectly had dire financial consequences. We on the other hand seem to think 
of prop studies as an after thought. While I know that we have to go where the 
towers are and don't have the resources to build where we want to get an 
optimized network, we should still take it seriously and do it right when we 
decide to actually perform the study. 


  Cameron


  On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matt  wrote:

> Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
> cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
> Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
use themselves.
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless





--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Yeah, that would be a good carrot to get people to submit.  How cool would 
it be to be able to let the consumer self qualify themselves (at least an 
educated guess) for your service?

That's a similar step that Wa. is working on now.  Sandborn is working with 
Radio Mobile to help figure out coverage zones.  I've had to give them a 
distance cutoff but it gets us pretty close to actual coverage's.  As 
accurate as I think we can realistically be anyhow.

Getting one's self onto the maps is really a no brainer these days.  If you 
do you "might" keep tax money out of your industry in your area.  If you 
don't get on the maps you "will" bring it in.

There's just no grey area here.  We're not making the rules of the game 
(well, we're trying but), so either play by the rules or get your tail 
whipped.

Can't show up for a football game with a basketball team and expect to do 
very well.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do!


>> Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
>> cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
>> Thought it would be appropriate here as well:
>
> One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
> to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
> WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
> data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
> propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
> benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
> use themselves.
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Site Survey Method

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

We've dealt with that by only doing installs when we can see both ends.  We 
know what signal levels are expected based on distance to the AP.

But one other way to handle it is to use a radio with signal lights on the 
back.  That allows one guy to handle it.  I normally just hook up an extension 
cord and run up to the roof.

If need by I'll take my laptop up and see what there is to see.  That only 
happens when I'll have to use a mast to clear an obstacle but that really means 
two people on the roof anyway.

And, naturally, in my case I use the bucket truck for these from time to time.  
I'll use it more when I get a second, smaller lift of some kind.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Steffl 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:05 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Site Survey Method


  Hey guys,


  Trying to figure out a good way to do site surveys and monitor signal 
strength while on the customer's roof for a one-man job.  The best I have come 
up with is having a portable power pack on the ground with a POE injector with 
two ethernet cables: one going to the nanobridge, one to a netbook or laptop on 
the roof.  Another option would be to have the same setup but with a wireless 
router with the battery pack and poe injector so only one ethernet going to the 
roof to the nanobridge and either a netbook or android tablet to login to AirOS 
to setup and check signal levels.  


  Any advice on how you guys do this with one person?  Thanks!



  -- 
  Darin Steffl



--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] pages not loading/displaying properly

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Also check the version of anti virus/firewall the customers are using.

Check the customer routers.

Can you change IP addresses/ranges for some customers to see if the problem 
goes away?

What happens if you take one of your computers to the customer site to try 
the same site on your computer?

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Lambert" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] pages not loading/displaying properly


> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 09:50:58AM -0700, Mark Theis wrote:
>> I apologize for the duplicate post and my slow response.  I have been
>> out of commission the last 2 days and Carlo's inability to start
>> the thread originally (he received a failure message and assumed it
>> did not send, but I guess it was waiting on a moderator's approval)
>> prompted me to write my original post.
>>
>> We are still experiencing the problem.  Let me try to answer all of
>> the questions in this email.
>>
>> We are only seeing the problem on about 1% of our customers.  The
>> problem is not isolated to a single tower, router, radio model,
>> browser, OS, etc.  We are not using caching.  We are good on packet
>> loss.  We do use Trango licensed links on some of the towers. We are
>> not "masquerading ALL of my clients to one IP address."  Websites that
>> see it is not only happening on SSL pages. MTU looks good.
>>
>> I am now hearing that the customers can't even do software
>> updates. The strange thing is that it is only happening to less than
>> 1% of our customers.  I would think that if it were a radio issue, it
>> would affect all of the customers...  Am I thinking about this the
>> wrong way?
>>
>> This happened to us about 6 months ago, and it fixed itself in about 3
>> days... And we never figured out what it was.
>>
>> I appreciate all the input that you all have contributed, even though
>> it did look like I was ignoring you all... Migraines will take me out
>> on occasion.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>
> Have you viewed the page source to identify the hostname on which
> the non-loading portions of the pages reside?
>
> Have you done traceroutes from non-working customers PCs to those
> servers?
>
> Are your employees' laptops affected when on-site at the customer
> location?
>
> Do you use ubiquity gear?  If so, are they running the latest version
> of the firmware?  If not, the CPE could be infected by the SkyNet
> worm or something similar.
>
> Do all of the affected customers have problems with the same
> websites/resources?
>
> Do you assign public IPs to the customer's equipment, or the CPE?
> Are the problem customers all in the same /24 or shorter prefix?
>
> Is the CPE in router mode or bridge mode?
>
>>From what has been reported so far, it sounds like :
>
> A)  Some content distribution network has decided that it doesn't
>want to talk to some of your IP addresses.  Perhaps because it
>has seen attack traffic from an infection of several of your
>customers' machines.
>
> or
>
> B)  There is a virus/worm involved which is blocking access to or
>attempting to redirect access away from these sites.  The
>infection could be on the Windows workstations or the CPEs.
>
> or
>
> C)  Your BGP announcement(s) for one or more of your netblocks is
>not being advertised to one of your peers, or one of your peers
>is not announcing them to their peers.
>
> -- 
> Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix 
> SysAdmin
> lamb...@lambertfam.org
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Masts

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I've used them.  Wish they had a good factory mount.  I just build whatever 
I need for whatever roof it's going on to.

My math seems to suck so I've not had any luck in getting the guy wire 
lengths right before pushing them up.  So I try to make sure I have a person 
on each guy point.  They let out the guy wire as the mast gets raised up.

We usually just have a roll of guy wire for each guy point (every 10 feet). 
We'll usually go with 4 corners on the taller units unless there is a very 
light load on them.  Probably overkill but I've not had anything fall off a 
roof yet.

The way we do it is labor intensive but very safe.

Oh yeah, to push them up you'll want a step ladder.  Push up the top section 
first

BTW, if you were able to pick some up you did well.  I ended up buying about 
a 5 year supply because the costs of shipping are higher than the costs of 
the mast!

Hope this helps,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Fabien" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:29 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Telescoping Masts


> Does anyone use the Rohn H50 or similar telescoping masts? I found
> some while traveling so I picked up a few to keep on hand. I think
> they might be a good option for those customers who need to get up
> ~50ft but can't afford a tower. Any suggestions on best methods for
> install, or things to avoid? I'll be using these mostly with UBNT
> Nanobridges for the CPE, or a 900mhz yagi.
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Very nicely said Rick.  Great job.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Harnish 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.


  Mark,

   

  Enough is enough.  There is no reason that I know of for your behavior 
especially attacking the opinion of someone else online.  Faisal is one of the 
most intelligent ISP veterans in the industry and he does not deserve to be 
called ignorant by someone that has thumbed their nose at WISPA for many years. 
 I have sat back and allowed you to spout off occasionally with extreme 
patience.  There have been times that I have had to "boot" you from the WISPA 
mailing lists and you have come back under a different email address, lurked 
and then repeated your rabid behavior.  

   

  I think it is rude that a person comes into someone's house and complain 
about their lazyboy, food, and hospitality.  That is effectively what you have 
done to WISPA.  We invite you into our home to learn and improve your business 
by networking with other operators in our industry and how do you repay that?  
Turning over the Lazy-boy, spitting in the food and demanding service, with no 
intention of paying for the service or tipping the hostess is not my idea of 
worthiness.

   

  I have noticed over the years, that somewhere in your dissertations, you 
always refer to your depleted financial condition and tend to accuse WISPA for 
your struggling business.  I'm not sure if the area you serve is economically 
challenged, the geography is tough to operate in or you are just not a good 
businessman.  I do however think that if it were not for some of the proactive 
and reactive lobbying efforts that WISPA has accomplished in the last few 
years, that many operators would be out of business by now.  The telcos/cable 
duopoly would have had their way in Congress and at the FCC to run wild with 
their agenda to put the Wisp industry out of business through legislation.  

   

  Therefore, I am going to put you on moderation.  I will allow you to continue 
to receive emails from the wireless@wispa.org mailing list but your responses 
will need to be governed.  Something I'm sure you hate me for, but as the 
moderator, it is my job to maintain proper decorum and provide a healthy 
environment for other wisp operators to learn in.  I have been asked by 
numerous people to ban you from WISPA lists, but I am not going to do that yet. 
 I only hope that you can learn something from other operators that will 
improve your business, regardless of whether you would ever support or efforts 
here at WISPA.  

   

  I wish you good fortune in the future and only hope that in some way, you can 
accept that WISPA may have helped you even without your financial support.  We 
are operators just like yourself.  Many of us struggle to make ends meet in 
this very tough economy.  I agree with you that the government policies over 
the last 20-30 years have been disastrous for our economy.  This is not a 
political statement in any way.  Policies which have created dominant 
corporations in any industry have caused "small town America" to wither on the 
vine.  Greed in politics and corporate America has been the dominant reason for 
our economy decline.  There is little dispute of that.  We need a new direction 
and new leadership inside the beltway.  Unfortunately, I don't personally feel 
that any change can be accomplished effectively without some major 
housecleaning of the monstrous Washington DC governing infrastructure to which 
all new politicians are introduced quickly.  Their intentions may be great 
before they arrive in Washington, only to be cut off at the knees by the 
"system and its lifetime staffers".  

   

  Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!

   

  Respectfully,

   

  Rick Harnish

  Executive Director

  WISPA

  260-307-4000 cell

  866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

  Skype: rick.harnish.

  rharn...@wispa.org

  adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)

   

   

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of MDK
  Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:10 AM
  To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

   

  I knew I could count on you to demonstrate complete ignorance of What Should 
Be, Because It Once Was.   

   

  The founders would curse you for having no understanding.  

   

   

  ++
  Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
  541-969-8200  509-386-4589
  ++

   

   



  I really think you seriously need to read about our founding fathers, and how 
they operated, (they all did not get together and sing kumbaya at the camp 
fire, neither did they pickup their scrolls of paper and walk away to their own 
corners when there was disagreement )...and try to gain an understanding on the 
'Democratic Principles of Go

Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

tatement) , and if we learned what we should, whatever 
political aspects of our lives are impacted, would take care of themselves. 
I, too, live in a very rural area, and watch the people decry the price 
supports, controls, subsidies, and then engage in them, because they believe 
they cannot compete or succeed without them.

I read two stories recently, one was of a sizeable business (assets in the 
billions) that was slowly going bankrupt, which was offered a loan by the 
federal government.   But the CEO turned it down, and instead, announced 
impending bankruptcy.   He chose to own it as  failure, rather than throw 
good money after bad.   That's integrity.   Another was in the process of 
borrowing money from the DOE, cash that would be immensely helpful to his 
company.   He cancelled it and announced they'll just struggle through on 
their own.  We CAN live without being bribed, we can say "no".   And it's 
going to take millions of us saying "no", but we can do it and we can turn 
our industries.. .and country... around it.  And it's all about individuals, 
decisions, and principled choices - not about politics, but about rational 
choices about the present and future.

Maybe I am asking to too much.  What little optimism I have left says... I 
am not.  But my time and energy probably best employed elsewhere.


++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++


From: Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.


Since you are talking about me Mark I'll chime in here a bit too.

As I've said before.  You and I mostly agree.  Government is, with precious 
few exceptions, the enemy of the people.  Government and far to many that 
work in it are just plain evil.  Or maybe arrogant but in the end that 
causes them to do evil things to the regular folk of the country.

WISPA is an association of or membership.  The members are encouraged to run 
for leadership positions every year (half the board is up for election every 
year).  There is no restriction on who can run for the board other than they 
have to be a member in good standing.  There are a few other things that we 
ask of our candidates but they don't generally apply to the people here (no 
one I know of is sitting in jail right now :-).

WISPA was formed to help protect our industry.  Mostly from the government. 
That's why we are so focused and spend most of our money on FCC and 
legislative issues.  We've actually been pretty successful here.  We've had 
good success on favorable rules changes, gotten additional spectrum and 
we've stopped quite a few bad ideas from coming to fruition.

I remember getting into it with you on the idea of reporting on the 477. 
You called me a traitor.  Perhaps that fits but I think of myself as more of 
a realist.  The 477 is there.  We can't make it go away.  In fact, much to 
my chagrin, it's work with the stupid broadband map.

Tell you what though.  They ARE there.  They DO exist.  And your competition 
is going to be government funded, or not, based at least in part on what the 
map shows.  If you refuse to place yourself on the map, that's your choice. 
A foolish choice that's bad for you AND the rest of the industry, but your 
choice to make none the less.

I live in farm country.  Everyone out here gets government money for 
something.  Crop failures, CRP programs, price supports etc.  It sucks. 
Government money is poison.  But so is NO money.  It's like salt in many 
ways.  Too much will kill you just as dead as too little.  Here's a current 
example.  We have bought out some of the CRP my family has.  We run off road 
motorbike races on the ground.  Now it's up for renewal.  But the Fish and 
Wildlife department is refusing to allow the renewal because we need a 
buffer zone around the track.  One that's probably bigger than the 49 acres 
of crp will support.  Dad's still looking into it.  Dad's PISSED off though. 
He didn't enter into any contracts with Fish and Game, why are they involved 
with this issue at all  It's ALL private property.   But, since it's 
rented to the government we have to live by it's rules.

The bike races bring 10s of thousands or dollars into our local economy. 
Probably closer to 100k.  But that doesn't matter to the dickheads at Fish 
and Game.  They are more worried about the fish that don't exist in the 
middle of a field and the game birds that might be harmed in some way.  I 
guess birds and deer can't hear a dirt bike coming soon enough to get out of 
the way.

Wanna know the funniest part of all this?  Dad plants habitat and birds 
because he loves that kind of stuff.  That doesn't matter to Fish and Game 
though.  T

Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Since you are talking about me Mark I'll chime in here a bit too.

As I've said before.  You and I mostly agree.  Government is, with precious few 
exceptions, the enemy of the people.  Government and far to many that work in 
it are just plain evil.  Or maybe arrogant but in the end that causes them to 
do evil things to the regular folk of the country.

WISPA is an association of or membership.  The members are encouraged to run 
for leadership positions every year (half the board is up for election every 
year).  There is no restriction on who can run for the board other than they 
have to be a member in good standing.  There are a few other things that we ask 
of our candidates but they don't generally apply to the people here (no one I 
know of is sitting in jail right now :-).

WISPA was formed to help protect our industry.  Mostly from the government.  
That's why we are so focused and spend most of our money on FCC and legislative 
issues.  We've actually been pretty successful here.  We've had good success on 
favorable rules changes, gotten additional spectrum and we've stopped quite a 
few bad ideas from coming to fruition.

I remember getting into it with you on the idea of reporting on the 477.  You 
called me a traitor.  Perhaps that fits but I think of myself as more of a 
realist.  The 477 is there.  We can't make it go away.  In fact, much to my 
chagrin, it's work with the stupid broadband map.

Tell you what though.  They ARE there.  They DO exist.  And your competition is 
going to be government funded, or not, based at least in part on what the map 
shows.  If you refuse to place yourself on the map, that's your choice.  A 
foolish choice that's bad for you AND the rest of the industry, but your choice 
to make none the less.

I live in farm country.  Everyone out here gets government money for something. 
 Crop failures, CRP programs, price supports etc.  It sucks.  Government money 
is poison.  But so is NO money.  It's like salt in many ways.  Too much will 
kill you just as dead as too little.  Here's a current example.  We have bought 
out some of the CRP my family has.  We run off road motorbike races on the 
ground.  Now it's up for renewal.  But the Fish and Wildlife department is 
refusing to allow the renewal because we need a buffer zone around the track.  
One that's probably bigger than the 49 acres of crp will support.  Dad's still 
looking into it.  Dad's PISSED off though.  He didn't enter into any contracts 
with Fish and Game, why are they involved with this issue at all  It's ALL 
private property.   But, since it's rented to the government we have to live by 
it's rules.

The bike races bring 10s of thousands or dollars into our local economy.  
Probably closer to 100k.  But that doesn't matter to the dickheads at Fish and 
Game.  They are more worried about the fish that don't exist in the middle of a 
field and the game birds that might be harmed in some way.  I guess birds and 
deer can't hear a dirt bike coming soon enough to get out of the way.

Wanna know the funniest part of all this?  Dad plants habitat and birds because 
he loves that kind of stuff.  That doesn't matter to Fish and Game though.  
They still want the races stopped.  Or he has to give up over $2500 per year in 
revenue from the CRP payments on that ground.  More than he'd make farming it 
(that's the reason for CRP in the first place).

So a guy is stuck.  The government controls (in one way or another) the prices 
farmers can charge for their crops, chemical use etc. and therefore the revenue 
that a farmer can generate.  They then offer a program that will pay the farmer 
more money for the use of his poor ground and set the rules for it's use 
(basically nothing).  Then they change the rules as time goes on, making them 
more and more restrictive.  Eventually out here people tend to eventually give 
up and sell the ground to the government.  MOST of the water ways are now owned 
by the state.

I could go on, but everyone here has a similar story to tell.  Look at the 
recent thread about the idiotic OSHA rules.  Who's going to let anyone put a 
fall restraint system on their home?  If you have a habit of falling off roofs, 
go get a desk job!

In the end though.  You and I, alone, can't fix any of this.  We can't control 
anything.  We have to band together into groups.  And those groups have to 
compromise.  Those groups also have to deal with reality as it exists while 
they try to enact their ultimate goals.

WISPA did tell the FCC to eliminate USF, CAF or any other subsidies.  We told 
them to just let the market deal with the issues.  We knew ahead of time that 
they'd reject that stance though.  So we also suggested alternative plans and 
mechanisms that would do the least harm to our industry, communities and 
country.

Your problem Mark is that you don't understand the compromise part.  It's funny 
though, we all do it every day.  We walk on different sides of the hall.  We 
us

Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Hmmm, anyone using them?  Who stocks them?

What do you do, plug your own power brick into it?  That would kind of defete 
the purpose wouldn't it?  That's not really much different than a standard 
install.

thanks,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan McKenzie 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers


  Marlon,

  In response to your statement:


  Some days I just wish the POE had a wifi router built into it so we could 
include wifi like the telco does these days.

  ARC makes one.  It's the iFlex indoor AP.  You could use any brand of POE 
(including Moto) from 9-24VDC to power the device and then passthrough power to 
a client device on the roof.


  Thanks,

  Ryan McKenzie 


  On 4/30/12 11:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote: 
We use mainly Linksys units.  They are a bit more expensive but we don't 
deal with warranty issues etc.

I'll install them at hookup if the customer wants one.

We've been trying the ones from Readylink but so far the jury is out on 
them.  Sometimes they work nicely, other customers have nothing but trouble 
with them.  Half the cost of the Linksys and better antennas.

Some days I just wish the POE had a wifi router built into it so we could 
include wifi like the telco does these days.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Steffl 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:31 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Customer Routers


  Hey guys, 


  What are some of you providing for customer wireless routers if you 
include them in the install as I do?  I currently have a batch of 10 Ubiquiti 
Air Routers and the first two I pulled out are giving me some problems.  Could 
be a bad batch.


  I am also looking at TP-Link as they are about $30 on Amazon with 
external antennas and pretty good reviews.


  TP-Link TL-WR841N


  What are you guys using?



  -- 
  Darin Steffl



--
  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless


--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

We use mainly Linksys units.  They are a bit more expensive but we don't deal 
with warranty issues etc.

I'll install them at hookup if the customer wants one.

We've been trying the ones from Readylink but so far the jury is out on them.  
Sometimes they work nicely, other customers have nothing but trouble with them. 
 Half the cost of the Linksys and better antennas.

Some days I just wish the POE had a wifi router built into it so we could 
include wifi like the telco does these days.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Steffl 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:31 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Customer Routers


  Hey guys,


  What are some of you providing for customer wireless routers if you include 
them in the install as I do?  I currently have a batch of 10 Ubiquiti Air 
Routers and the first two I pulled out are giving me some problems.  Could be a 
bad batch.


  I am also looking at TP-Link as they are about $30 on Amazon with external 
antennas and pretty good reviews.


  TP-Link TL-WR841N


  What are you guys using?



  -- 
  Darin Steffl



--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] World's Highest Tower, & MORE!

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

This thing is crazy!

I wonder how they get the top sections on above the cranes.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: ">
To: "Towertalk" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:26 PM
Subject: [TowerTalk] World's Highest Tower, & MORE!


> Quite interesting to those of us into high times!  HIHI. Mark AA6DX
> http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Tokyo_Sky_Tree
> ___
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> TowerTalk mailing list
> towert...@contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I like the digital loggers products a LOT better than dataprobe.

Never had a DL unit start turning it's self off when it's not supposed to.  I 
have had that with an iboot.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay DeBoer 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages


  http://dataprobe.com/remote-reboot.html

  I've used some of their older 'iboots' havent' used their phone devices.



  On 3/16/2012 9:40, Victoria Proffer wrote: 
Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?



i.e. 

strip   pstn > my computer



Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC

314-974-5600



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI 
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically 
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> without violating code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>
> The Wired Road Authority
>
> 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>
> Galax, VA 24333
>
> (276) 238-0049 (office)
>
> (276) 237-3890 (cell)
>
> tset...@thewiredroad.net
>
>
>

> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless




-- 
Ryan Ghering
Network Operations - Plains.Net
Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879


 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless




--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Yeah.  Drop the GFCI.

If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him he'll have to 
meet you at the site every time it goes down because the GFCI technology is so 
worthless.  It won't take but 2 trips and he'll beg you to take them out!

And if you think it's bad now.  Just wait till you have to put in arc fault 
breakers everywhere.  The whole house has to have them nowadays.  Can't even 
run a shop vac in my house if it's in one of the rooms with an arc fault.  Half 
my skill saws won't work etc.

Good ideas, both.  Rotten overly sensitive implementation.

The market for used arc faults will be huge sooner than later.  Every homeowner 
with a screw driver will pull them all out and put in normal breakers :-).

The NEC is getting to be worse than the dept. of ecology!

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Troy Settle 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:04 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages


  Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One of 
them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just to 
push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

   

  Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without 
violating code?

   

  Thanks,

   

  -- 

Troy Settle, Network Administrator

The Wired Road Authority

1117 E. Stuart Dr.

Galax, VA 24333

(276) 238-0049 (office)

(276) 237-3890 (cell)

tset...@thewiredroad.net

   



--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Climbing Crew

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Anyone have a crew that can help a HAM out?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelley" 
To: "Towertalk" 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:53 PM
Subject: [TowerTalk] Tower Climbing Crew


> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As I said in an earlier message, I have a 48' Rohn HDBX tower. It 
> currently has a Cushcraft A3S with 40m add-on, a 3 element 6m beam, and 
> a VHF/UHF vertical.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone in the central Minnesota area is having any 
> tower work done this year by one of the tower companies?
> 
> I'd like to have some work done on the tower (I don't climb myself) and 
> it would be great if one of these gangs were in the area so I possibly 
> get a day on their schedule.
> 
> Anyone doing anything like this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Kelley
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> TowerTalk mailing list
> towert...@contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

[WISPA] Fw: [Caleaquestions] VoIP CALEA Question

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Here ya go guys.  This is from one of the technogeeks that helped write the 
WISPA standard.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Erskine" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Caleaquestions] [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question


> https://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS247&q=RFC6405&oq=RFC6405&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=436l4357l0l4685l9l9l1l2l2l0l417l1258l0.5.4-1l6l0
>
> On 3/1/2012 4:39 PM, Michael Erskine wrote:
>> VoIP which originates or terminates on your network must be collected at
>> the origination or termination end.
>>
>> VoIP servers set up the connection by ensuring that both ends of the
>> communication are able to communicate directly with each other.  There
>> is no relaying of the actual data packets through the VoIP server.
>>
>> Now then, if you have a subpoena that requires collection of a VoIP
>> customer who is using a VoIP service which is not on your network, you
>> will most likely also have a subpoena that requires all data from that
>> customer.  You probably won't even know that the LEA is after VoIP.
>>
>> Again, VoIP data streams are not "handed off" to anyone.  The VoIP
>> service simply arranges for both ends of the call to know how to connect
>> directly to move voice data packets.
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2012 11:20 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
>>> You can only record what hits your network.
>>>
>>> If it's handed off to someone else they'll have to record it.
>>>
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Matt Hoppes"
>>> To:; "WISPA General List"
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm obviously not asking the question properly.
>>>>
>>>> I know how to do a CALEA capture for regular IP traffic.  My question 
>>>> is
>>>> related to VoIP traffic in particular.
>>>>
>>>> (e.g. Yes, if a customer has Vonage I obviously can't record the 
>>>> call...
>>>> but I can capture the packets).
>>>>
>>>> However, my understanding was always that if you provided VoIP from 
>>>> your
>>>> network you had to be able to record both legs of the call so that the
>>>> LEA can determine, for example, which side of the call a noise was 
>>>> heard
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matt Hoppes
>>>> Director of Information Technology
>>>> Indigo Wireless
>>>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>>>
>>>> On 3/1/12 9:38 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>> Do a google search on "Mikrotik CALEA", take a look at  The Mikrotik
>>>>> WIki as well as Butch's CALEA (MUM 2007) presentation.
>>>>> This will give you an excellent idea on how to accomplish what you are
>>>>> asking for .
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom
>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>>> Miami, Fl 33155
>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/1/2012 7:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>>> We are considering doing some limited VoIP offerings to supplement 
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> GSM offerings in certain situations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A question that just arose, and I don't know the answer to is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Understanding that an interconnected VoIP carrier must be CALEA
>>>>>> compliant and be able to record calls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** How does this situation work if the audio stream does not pass
>>>>>> through your soft-switch? (e.g. end user makes a call, my soft switch
>>>>>> sets up the call between end-user and Level3, and then a re-invite
>>>>>> happens which sends the audio from the end-user direct to the Level3
>>>>>> switch)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How am I suppose to be able to record that call?
>>>>>> ___
>>>>>> Wireless mailing list
>>>>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>>>>
>>>>> ___
>>>>> Wireless mailing list
>>>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>> ___
>>>> Wireless mailing list
>>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>> ___
>>> Caleaquestions mailing list
>>> caleaquesti...@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/caleaquestions
>>>
>> ___
>> Caleaquestions mailing list
>> caleaquesti...@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/caleaquestions
>>
>
> ___
> Caleaquestions mailing list
> caleaquesti...@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/caleaquestions 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] [Caleaquestions] VoIP CALEA Question

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

They need to learn the situation because NOT being standards compliant open 
up a lot of ugly doors that you may be *made* to walk though :-).

The folks on the committee have spent far too much time with the FBI to take 
this lightly at all.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Caleaquestions] VoIP CALEA Question


> Agreed.
>
> Plus I think most people on this thread didn't even understand the
> situation.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2012 10:43 AM, J.C. Utter wrote:
>> I agree with your first sentence, Marlon, but your second comment seems
>> unclear because everyone hands off traffic.
>>
>> The main difference between 3rd party and in-house VoIP is that you have
>> a different set of rules to follow for CALEA compliance specifically for
>> voice service providers that includes the requirement to provide call
>> records to the LEA (called number, start call, end call, call duration,
>> etc.). There are other differences, but this is the main difference. The
>> WISPA CALEA Standard does not apply to VoIP intercepts when VoIP is
>> hosted in-house. The IPNA standard is specifically for Network Access
>> providers (the "NA" in IPNA) and not for Voice Service Providers.
>>
>> We should have a standard for wireless VoIP providers, because a lot of
>> WISPs offer VoIP today compared to the time when we started writing the
>> first WISPA CALEA standard.
>>
>> jc
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2012 11:20 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
>>> You can only record what hits your network.
>>>
>>> If it's handed off to someone else they'll have to record it.
>>>
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Matt Hoppes"
>>> To:; "WISPA General List"
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm obviously not asking the question properly.
>>>>
>>>> I know how to do a CALEA capture for regular IP traffic.  My question 
>>>> is
>>>> related to VoIP traffic in particular.
>>>>
>>>> (e.g. Yes, if a customer has Vonage I obviously can't record the 
>>>> call...
>>>> but I can capture the packets).
>>>>
>>>> However, my understanding was always that if you provided VoIP from 
>>>> your
>>>> network you had to be able to record both legs of the call so that the
>>>> LEA can determine, for example, which side of the call a noise was 
>>>> heard
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matt Hoppes
>>>> Director of Information Technology
>>>> Indigo Wireless
>>>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>>>
>>>> On 3/1/12 9:38 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>> Do a google search on "Mikrotik CALEA", take a look at  The Mikrotik
>>>>> WIki as well as Butch's CALEA (MUM 2007) presentation.
>>>>> This will give you an excellent idea on how to accomplish what you are
>>>>> asking for .
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom
>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>>> Miami, Fl 33155
>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/1/2012 7:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>>> We are considering doing some limited VoIP offerings to supplement 
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> GSM offerings in certain situations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A question that just arose, and I don't know the answer to is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Understanding that an interconnected VoIP carrier must be CALEA
>>>>>> compliant and be able to record calls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** How does this situation work if the audio stream does not pass
>>>>>> through your soft-switch? (e.g. end user makes a call, my soft switch
>>>>>> sets up the call between end-user and Level3, and then a re-invite
>>>>>> happens which sends the audio from the end-user direct to the Level3
>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] [Caleaquestions] VoIP CALEA Question

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

But VoIP IS data

LEA is just after the data.  They don't care who gives it to them when they 
are trying to track down a bad guy.

You remember the conversations we had with the FBI.  Without a standard in 
place you (the operator of the network) have to do everything you reasonably 
can to comply with their requests.

If you are a VoIP provider but the VoIP doesn't ride your network you can't 
track it.  Just like you couldn't track a ptp file sharing application *IF* 
neither end of the transaction rides your network.

But, *IF* either end of the transaction rides your network you can and will 
have to intercept the conversation and send a copy to LEA.

Why is VoIP any different?  It's just a voice conversation instead of a 
kiddie porn video.  Both have an audio component, both are data at the 
network level.

I'm not saying you are wrong here.  But if I were the LEA I'd not care, I 
just need the data.

marlon

- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.C. Utter" 
To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" ; 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Caleaquestions] [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question


>I agree with your first sentence, Marlon, but your second comment seems 
>unclear because everyone hands off traffic.
>
> The main difference between 3rd party and in-house VoIP is that you have a 
> different set of rules to follow for CALEA compliance specifically for 
> voice service providers that includes the requirement to provide call 
> records to the LEA (called number, start call, end call, call duration, 
> etc.). There are other differences, but this is the main difference. The 
> WISPA CALEA Standard does not apply to VoIP intercepts when VoIP is hosted 
> in-house. The IPNA standard is specifically for Network Access providers 
> (the "NA" in IPNA) and not for Voice Service Providers.
>
> We should have a standard for wireless VoIP providers, because a lot of 
> WISPs offer VoIP today compared to the time when we started writing the 
> first WISPA CALEA standard.
>
> jc
>
>
> On 3/1/2012 11:20 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
>> You can only record what hits your network.
>>
>> If it's handed off to someone else they'll have to record it.
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Matt Hoppes"
>> To:; "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question
>>
>>
>>> I'm obviously not asking the question properly.
>>>
>>> I know how to do a CALEA capture for regular IP traffic.  My question is
>>> related to VoIP traffic in particular.
>>>
>>> (e.g. Yes, if a customer has Vonage I obviously can't record the call...
>>> but I can capture the packets).
>>>
>>> However, my understanding was always that if you provided VoIP from your
>>> network you had to be able to record both legs of the call so that the
>>> LEA can determine, for example, which side of the call a noise was heard
>>> on.
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt Hoppes
>>> Director of Information Technology
>>> Indigo Wireless
>>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>>
>>> On 3/1/12 9:38 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>>> Do a google search on "Mikrotik CALEA", take a look at  The Mikrotik
>>>> WIki as well as Butch's CALEA (MUM 2007) presentation.
>>>> This will give you an excellent idea on how to accomplish what you are
>>>> asking for .
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet&Telecom
>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> Miami, Fl 33155
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/1/2012 7:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>> We are considering doing some limited VoIP offerings to supplement our
>>>>> GSM offerings in certain situations.
>>>>>
>>>>> A question that just arose, and I don't know the answer to is:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Understanding that an interconnected VoIP carrier must be CALEA
>>>>> compliant and be able to record calls.
>>>>>
>>>>> ** How does this situation work if the audio stream does not pass
>>>>> through your soft-switch? (e.g. end user makes a call, my soft switch
>>>>> sets up the call between end-user and Level3, and 

Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

You can only record what hits your network.

If it's handed off to someone else they'll have to record it.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP CALEA Question


> I'm obviously not asking the question properly.
>
> I know how to do a CALEA capture for regular IP traffic.  My question is
> related to VoIP traffic in particular.
>
> (e.g. Yes, if a customer has Vonage I obviously can't record the call...
> but I can capture the packets).
>
> However, my understanding was always that if you provided VoIP from your
> network you had to be able to record both legs of the call so that the
> LEA can determine, for example, which side of the call a noise was heard 
> on.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 3/1/12 9:38 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Do a google search on "Mikrotik CALEA", take a look at  The Mikrotik
>> WIki as well as Butch's CALEA (MUM 2007) presentation.
>> This will give you an excellent idea on how to accomplish what you are
>> asking for .
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, Fl 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2012 7:20 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> We are considering doing some limited VoIP offerings to supplement our
>>> GSM offerings in certain situations.
>>>
>>> A question that just arose, and I don't know the answer to is:
>>>
>>> * Understanding that an interconnected VoIP carrier must be CALEA
>>> compliant and be able to record calls.
>>>
>>> ** How does this situation work if the audio stream does not pass
>>> through your soft-switch? (e.g. end user makes a call, my soft switch
>>> sets up the call between end-user and Level3, and then a re-invite
>>> happens which sends the audio from the end-user direct to the Level3 
>>> switch)
>>>
>>> How am I suppose to be able to record that call?
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Dexter Magnetics  847-956-1140

0431164181

Those are big enough to wrap the cat5 through 3 times.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ben West 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters


  Might anyone have a recommendation for a cheap supplier of ferrite beads 
large enough to fit thick STP, e.g. like Ubiquiti tough cable?

  -- 
  Ben West
  http://gowasabi.net
  b...@gowasabi.net




--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

This problem is a bitch.  We're on a station that's "only" 20k watts and 
Ethernet issues are severe.

We finally had pretty good luck by moving the radios down and running high 
grade coax to the antennas.  We also run metal shielded cat5 with the proper 
ends.

Finally I installed ferrite beads on both ends of all cat 5 runs.

Things are running pretty well now.  Turns out that cat5 and fm radio are 
basically in the same frequency area.

My best advice?  Go find a different tower to use :-).

But it can be done.  All electronics in a metal enclosure also.  Jumper cat5 
also needs to be shielded cable with grounded connectors.  Sometimes I put 
ferrite beads on them as well.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Warnock" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:15 PM
Subject: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters


> Hi All,
>
> I have a question as to how other operators are handling POE radio links 
> and
> high power FM transmitters.
>
> We often see things like a radio will run errors or drop to 10mbps instead
> of 100mbps until we find a good position on the tower that its happy with.
> Once its happy we never have an issue again.
>
> We've tried earthing, not earthing, STP, UTP. Nothing seems to 
> definitively
> solve the issue.
>
> Does anyone have any advice they'd like to share? It would be muchly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] What are the must have Android apps for installers

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I was thinking more along the lines of "Mixology".  Awesome program.

I also use ICMPing, Droid LIght from Motorola, Quickoffice, Ping & DNS, and I 
used to have a subnet calculator but can't find a new one.

Wispmon also has a cool ap that uses GPS of your local and points you to all of 
your towers.  Great for installs in the fog, snow, dark etc.  I think.  It 
doesn't work with the latest droid update for my Motorola X2 phone  We're 
not on Verizon though, it's a smaller local cell company that's tied in with 
Verizon.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Zach Mann 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Cc: Washington State WISP Discussion 
  Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] What are the must have Android apps for installers


  GPS Status.   WiFi analyzer.  

  On Feb 24, 2012 12:45 PM, "Pat O'Connor"  wrote:

Upgrading to a smartphone, HTC Hero S.  Just wanted to see what tools
are available for wireless installers.

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless



--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Ubiquity Rocket M2 with Tranzeo CPE

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I've had rotten luck with Tranzeo AP's.  They are best used for crash test 
video's when tossed off of grain elevators!

The Ubiquiti gear we had failed to work after just a few months on the air. 
And they were HEAVY.  Never really liked the GUI either.

It's funny.  I have great luck with MT but I know guys that had nothing but 
trouble with it.  I like Tranzeo (except for the danged lockups that seem to 
be caused by an error counter overload) and have had great luck with it 
overall.

Just another reason to remember that being a WISP is 50% science and 62% 
black magic!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Ubiquity Rocket M2 with Tranzeo CPE


>Might have to start drinking the ubiquity koolaid.  I've just not had good
>luck with the ones I've tried out here.

Have you had any situation where a Tranzeo worked at a customer site
and Ubiquiti didn't?

I replaced my Tranzeo stuff with Mikrotik way back before Ubiquiti had
their stuff.  I doubt I will ever use a Tranzeo radio again.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
 wrote:
> I can't help with the Ubiquity issue, but your CPE situation is the same 
> as
> ours. I know Mikrotik works well with them.
>
> Once you get something working well you'll love the new AP's!
>
> I do wish Tranzeo would fix the danged lockup issues on the cpe's though.
> Some people never have trouble, others do weekly. ug
>
> Might have to start drinking the ubiquity koolaid. I've just not had good
> luck with the ones I've tried out here.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
> Cc: ; 
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Ubiquity Rocket M2 with Tranzeo CPE
>
>
>> Did you install the RF Armor shield kits? They are an incredible help at
>> defeating noise.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2012, at 14:47, Jay DeBoer  wrote:
>>
>>> I am in process of converting a tower from Tranzeo AP's to Ubquity
>>> Rocket M2's. I have the M2's hung and pointed. I can get the clients
>>> to connect but I seem to be getting half throughput at best.
>>>
>>> I have the Airmax disabled on the M2's and the Clients have been running
>>> in 802.11b mode previously.
>>>
>>> The clients are a mix of Tranzeo CPQ and SL2 radios. Signal levels
>>> appear to be a bout the same if not a little better. My noise floor has
>>> seem to come up from around -100 to -95/90ish.
>>>
>>> At this point I'm a little lost / too frustrated to think straight. Any
>>> suggestions would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jay DeBoer
>>>
>>> Chief Engineer
>>> Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
>>> 100 N Roland St, Suite B
>>> McBain, MI 49657
>>>
>>> Office: 231-825-2500
>>> Direct: 231-908-0033
>>> Fax: 231-908-0039
>>> jdeb...@summitdigital.us
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Ubnt_users mailing list
>>> ubnt_us...@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Ubiquity Rocket M2 with Tranzeo CPE

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I can't help with the Ubiquity issue, but your CPE situation is the same as 
ours.  I know Mikrotik works well with them.

Once you get something working well you'll love the new AP's!

I do wish Tranzeo would fix the danged lockup issues on the cpe's though. 
Some people never have trouble, others do weekly.  ug

Might have to start drinking the ubiquity koolaid.  I've just not had good 
luck with the ones I've tried out here.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Cc: ; 
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Ubiquity Rocket M2 with Tranzeo CPE


> Did you install the RF Armor shield kits?  They are an incredible help at 
> defeating noise.
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 14:47, Jay DeBoer  wrote:
>
>> I am in process of converting a tower from Tranzeo AP's to Ubquity
>> Rocket M2's.  I have the M2's hung and pointed.  I can get the clients
>> to connect but I seem to be getting half throughput at best.
>>
>> I have the Airmax disabled on the M2's and the Clients have been running
>> in 802.11b mode previously.
>>
>> The clients are a mix of Tranzeo CPQ and SL2 radios.  Signal levels
>> appear to be a bout the same if not a little better.  My noise floor has
>> seem to come up from around -100 to -95/90ish.
>>
>> At this point I'm a little lost / too frustrated to think straight.  Any
>> suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jay DeBoer
>>
>> Chief Engineer
>> Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
>> 100 N Roland St, Suite B
>> McBain, MI 49657
>>
>> Office: 231-825-2500
>> Direct: 231-908-0033
>> Fax: 231-908-0039
>> jdeb...@summitdigital.us
>>
>> ___
>> Ubnt_users mailing list
>> ubnt_us...@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Cabling vendors in NYC

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Nusrat Jamal is near to you.  I love the Shireen cable we've been using for 
the last few years.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Isaac Wilder" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:07 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Cabling vendors in NYC


> Does anybody know a vendor in the new york area where I can buy spools
> of weatherized, EMF shielded cat5e? I'm looking for something akin to
> Level 2 toughcable. I would normally order from lcom or pasadena
> networks, but time is of the essence, and I didn't think ahead.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>
> thanks,
> Isaac Wilder
> The Free Network Foundation
> www.thefnf.org
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] transparent caching solution w/TPROXY

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I've really missed my old Cobalt CacheRAQ.  That thing was amazing.

I lack the technical ability to set anything up though.

If we do one I'd like it to be a transparent pass through device.  Upstream 
in one port, customers in the other.

What would it cost to set something up (I already have a server that can be 
used) and what are people using?

The issue I've been afraid of is the pass through speed.  We pay for 
internet based on usage (95%th) and any Caching would save money and make 
things run faster.

Ideas?  Consultants?

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Rubens Kuhl" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] transparent caching solution w/TPROXY


>> We have a site that costs @ $3800/month for (shared) 3Mbps/512Kbps
>> (Satellite), so we have been caching with Mikrotik proxy since the
>> beginning (1998). I found a caching system that works well and caches
>> videos and other types of traffic. If anyone is in the same situation
>> you may want to check out Thundercache. It's a little tough because the
>> sites using it are mostly in Spanish. I have 400GB of cache on it (3
>> drives). Now the users will be able to be cached and retain their public
>> IP.
>
> You probably mean Portuguese, not Spanish. Thundercache is a popular
> but somewhat controversial cache here in Brazil due to GPL code
> misappropriation. You might want to look at
> InComum(http://sourceforge.net/projects/incomum/) for a free resource
> or CacheMara from MaraSystems(http://www.marasystems.com/) for a
> commercial product that gives back to the GPL codebase.
>
>
> Rubens
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] painting an antenna

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Any non metalic paint should be OK.  Standard painting methods for the material 
apply.  Some antennas are plastic, some are fiberglass.

Make sure you don't plug any vent holes in the bottom though!
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Roth 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Cc: supp...@webjogger.net 
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:02 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] painting an antenna


  Hi Everyone,

   

  We have a customer that we are putting in a ptmp 5.8ghz backhaul for wifi 
access points. Our customer is very big on aesthetics and would like to paint 
the omni that we are connecting the 5.8ghz backhaul AU to.

   

  Does anyone know what kind of paint they should use to paint the antenna with?

   

  I searched google and came up with epoxy paint. Is that correct?

   

  Thanks,

   

  --Eric Roth

  Network Engineer

  Webjogger Internet Services

  (845) 757-4000

  www.webjogger.net

   

   



--


  ___
  Wireless mailing list
  Wireless@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

[WISPA] Looking for service in Milwaukie Or.

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Hi All,

Can anyone service my sister?  I'd hate to send her to the cable co or 
telco.

thanks!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:58 PM


> 14332 se cedar ave
> Milwaukie or 97267.
>
> Thanks for your help
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 

___
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] WISP Insurance

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Will do.

Here's the link:
http://www.rsiprograms.com/

thanks,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Harnish 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 12:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Insurance


  Check with Jonathan McLean of Risk Strategies. You can find his contact info 
on the Vendor Spotlight page under About WISPA. He has customized some 
insurance packages specifically for wisps.

  Rick Harnish

  Marco Coelho <coelh...@gmail.com> wrote:

  HEY MARLON,

  Long time no talk.  How's life?  

  Marco Coelho


  On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
 wrote:

We cover our "tower" sites, office, work on the house etc.  Costs me around 
$4k per year.

We have a bit over 800 subs and nearly 8000 square miles of coverage.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Steffl 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:26 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] WISP Insurance


  Hey guys, 


  What companies do you guys get your insurance through and what kind of 
policy/coverage do you have?  Also, what do you pay a year for your insurance?  
Thanks!



  -- 
  Darin Steffl



--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/





WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/



WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/




  -- 
  Marco C. Coelho
  Argon Technologies Inc.
  POB 875
  Greenville, TX 75403-0875
  903-455-5036



--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Rime Ice?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Pam works great.

Just have her run up and sweep them off from time to time!  roflol

OK, just kidding.  Pam cooking spray does a good job of keeping anything from 
building up and sticking to the antenna.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bret Clark 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:55 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Rime Ice?


  Anyone have to deal with rime ice on antenna's? We need to build a PTP link 
that will be on a top of a mountain that's notorious for rime Ice. It would be 
a 5GHz link with sturdy 3ft radome but I'm not aware at what effect rime ice 
might have on 5GHz signal if any? Googling hasn't really bought up any decent 
info. 

  Thanks,
  Bret



--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] WISP Insurance

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

We cover our "tower" sites, office, work on the house etc.  Costs me around $4k 
per year.

We have a bit over 800 subs and nearly 8000 square miles of coverage.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Steffl 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:26 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] WISP Insurance


  Hey guys,


  What companies do you guys get your insurance through and what kind of 
policy/coverage do you have?  Also, what do you pay a year for your insurance?  
Thanks!



  -- 
  Darin Steffl



--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] fbi letter

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/november/malware_110911/image/dns-malware-graphic/view

4.2 million infected computers.  A letter has gone out to ISPs with 
addresses that showed up in the investigation.  We had one customer with an 
infected system.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] fbi letter


>I have no idea what you are talking about.
>
>
> On 1/26/12 1:47 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We just got our FBI letter on the screwed up DNS system.
>>
>> I can't get into the web site with the code they gave me.  Anyone else
>> finally get the list of infected ip addys?
>>
>> thanks,
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] fbi letter

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Never mind, it worked the second time I tried.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:47 AM
Subject: [WISPA] fbi letter


> Hi All,
>
> We just got our FBI letter on the screwed up DNS system.
>
> I can't get into the web site with the code they gave me.  Anyone else
> finally get the list of infected ip addys?
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] fbi letter

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Hi All,

We just got our FBI letter on the screwed up DNS system.

I can't get into the web site with the code they gave me.  Anyone else 
finally get the list of infected ip addys?

thanks,
marlon




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] population density map for Washington.

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

This is very interesting.

http://wabroadbandmapping.org/PDF/Statewide/Population_Density_2010.pdf

I'm in Lincoln Co.  Us and Douglas probably have the lowest population 
density in the entire state.

I'd love to compare that to a state like Vermont or something.  People like 
to talk about rural access.  Man, I can tell you *all* about rural access!

grin
marlon




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Horizontal or Vertical

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

why not just let them use your system for the scanners?

Everything will work better that way.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Barnes 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:47 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Horizontal or Vertical


  I have a company that is going to deploy a WiFi Hotspot underneath a tower 
that I already have 4 UBNT M2 Sectors on.  The reason for the Deploy is they 
need to use hand barcode scanners over their whole Lot.  Luckily they plan to 
work with me on this situation and coordinate frequencies.  I have a stock of 
old Omni's that I have taken down, half are Horizontal and Half are vertical 
polarity.  Since my AP's are dual pol that does not matter.  There however is 
generally less noise on Horizontal.  The hand held barcode readers give no spec 
as to how the internal antenna is oriented.  What would others recommendation.  
I am using as high gain antenna as possible then turning down the transmit so 
the receive will be good both ways.  This will be covering about 4 acres.

   

  Steve Barnes

  General Manager

  PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi



--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] 3650 MHz permission letters?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Half of my network is in SES land.  I finally gave up and am putting my effort 
into the FCC's new rules.  The new rules will hopefully shorten the exclusion 
zone and will require that they negotiate in good faith.

laters,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rich _ 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 MHz permission letters?


  I've been hearing more and more about spam filters that are too "agressive". 
Calling may be the best thing to do.


  On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Scottie Arnett  wrote:

In my area, I have to deal with northstarstudios.tv.

I have sent emails after emails to them.I guess next is call them
direct!?!?!?!?

Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
sarn...@info-ed.com

- Original Message -
From: "Fred Goldstein" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 MHz permission letters?


> Thanks for the information.  Much obliged.
>
> At 12/12/2011 04:12 PM, you wrote:
>
>>SES Americom can be done. It's just not a easy process.
>>
>>
>>
>>Our first agreement with them took more than a year of legal wrangling.
>>
>>
>>Since then we have successfully negotiated agreements with SES for
>>another 5 towers and 3500 CPE.
>>
>>
>>
>>Michael C. Hughes
>>CEO Antelecom, Inc.
>>661.726.3516
>>
>>
>>On Monday 12/12/2011 at 12:17, Pat O'Connor wrote:
>>>You have to contact who manages the Satellite Earth Station and they
>>>usually have an application and various forms to fill out. If you're
>>>dealing with SES Americom, have fun. I don't know of one that they have
>>>approved.
>>>
>>>
>>>Pat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 12/12/2011 11:20 AM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
Does anyone have a standard letter to use to ask permission from
satellite earth stations to use the 3650 MHz band within the 150 mile
exclusion zone? Thanks.
>
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>  +1 617 795 2701
>
>
>
> 

> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 

>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/





WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/



WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/





--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] opinion on Yellow Jackets?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I have one.  It's OK but doesn't seem to be as sensitive as my real spectrum 
analyzer.

It's light, compact and fairly easy to use.  The battery doesn't last very 
long (and hour or so) so if it's going to be use for very long I tend to 
keep the computer plugged in as much as I can.

Anrytsu makes a GREAT 2.4 gig only sa that's dirt simple to use.  I wish I 
could find one like that would cover a wider range of spectrum without the 
need for frequency conversion devices.

I've found that I tend to use both my "real" SA and the yellowjacket for 
most tests.

Would I buy another yellowjacket?  Maybe.  It would be much more valuable if 
it also had the ability to detect multipath like one of their other models 
does.

I wonder about some of these.
http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/product.jspx?nid=-33812.0.00&cc=US&lc=eng
http://www.bkprecision.com/products/model/2658/handheld-85ghz-spectrum-analyzer.html
http://www.anritsu.com/en-US/Products-Solutions/Products/MS2713E.aspx

I've rented from these guys before.  GREAT folks!
http://www.trs-rentelco.com/

Hope that helps,
marlon


- Original Message - 
From: "Rogelio" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: [WISPA] opinion on Yellow Jackets?


> What do others here think about the Yellow Jacket tablets / hand helds?
>
> AirMagnet is very buggy (crashes all the time, finicky with WiFi
> cards), and I'm looking for something easy to use in the field that
> outputs data that is easy to post process later.
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] wall plate style AP

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Not heard of those.

I have heard of this one though.
http://www.teletronics.com/hotspot.html

Never used it but Teletronics has been around this industry for a VERY long 
time.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Rogelio" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:28 PM
Subject: [WISPA] wall plate style AP


Has anyone used or deployed these style access points?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izV6UnNSEyU

And are there any other brands that do this sort of thing?  I would
imagine that there has to be cheaper versions out there

-- 
Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open
networker: scubac...@gmail.com



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/


WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Hey there Rick!  How the heck are you!

Nope, you were my first sales guy, but the guy that taught me about Teletronics 
and locally cost justifiable gear is now lost to me.

I certainly learned a lot from you though!

We're up to 700 or 800 subs here.  Still doing it with about 2.5 people.  Our 
network is now bigger than the entire state of Connecticut!  Amazing stuff.  
Too bad there are so many competitors and so few people out here :-).  If I 
lived in your neck of the woods I'd be retired by now!  roflol

Glad to see you are still doing well Rick!  Take care,

laters,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Lindahl 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account


  Marlon,

   

  I just stumbled on your recent post about the original salesman and 
Teletronics' hardware and thought you might have been referring to me!? 
Although the Kuwait network wasn't something that I worked on.

   

  I'm still plugging away down here so drop me a line once in a while and let 
me know how everything is going.

   

  Take care

   

  Rick Lindahl

  Invictus Networks, LLC   503-635-2562, fax 503-635-9207

  www.invictusnetworks.com www.invictuswireless.com 

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:39 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

   

  Yeah, I've kept some of those too.  Back to 1999.

   

  I keep looking around to see if I can find the original guy that talked me 
into trying this "wireless thing".  I'd like to thank him, or beat him up, 
depending on the day.  grin

   

  I do remember he talked about having Teletronics gear strung from one end of 
Kuwait to the other.

   

  marlon

   

- Original Message - 

From: Mike Hammett 

To: WISPA General List 

Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

 

I have some WISPA, Part-15, and ISP Planet lists going back to 3Q2004.



-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com 
On 7/11/2011 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

FYI, deleted all of my @afmug and @wispa messages and got back 3GB of 
storage.

Jerry Richardson 

925-260-4119 x2

www.aircloud.com



   
WISPA
 Wants You! Join 
today!http://signup.wispa.org/
 WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org 
Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless 
Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/






WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/


 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/



--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/<>


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Hmmm, I've not noticed that.  No problems here yet.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account


  Unless it's Thunderbird or Outlook and you have >5GB of emails.  Then it runs 
slower than molasses in January.

  Or Eudora.  Or Windows Mail/OE.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
 wrote:

Just another reason to use a real email account!

I can store as much as my hard drive will allow :-)

I forget what it's up to.  I used to be able to burn a DVD as a backup, but 
that's not enough anymore.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Cc: motor...@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account


  I'm at 16GB of 25.  I'm sure I would lose more then 3GB if I deleted it 
all.  How far back did you go?  I'm afraid when I get close to 25 I will need 
to start deleting messages, something I loathe doing =(

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Jerry Richardson 
 wrote:

FYI, deleted all of my @afmug and @wispa messages and got back 3GB of 
storage.



Jerry Richardson 

925-260-4119 x2

www.aircloud.com










WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/



WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/





--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/





WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/



WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/





--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/<>


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I'd add to the MT column.

I don't run MT boards for my main routers, I use Dell servers with MT software. 
 3ghz processors, many gigs of ram, as many interfaces of nearly any kind etc.  
Never had a lick of trouble with that system, and they basically never running 
over single digit processor usage.

The only problem I have had, might be fixed by now, was the last one I tried to 
do.  The drivers for sata hard drives and pci/e slots didn't work right.  I 
ended up having to use an MT appliance.  It's working fine too, but I'll swap 
it out and use it as a spare one of these days.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Roman 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:31 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP


  Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very 
good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless 
professionals.




  Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke 
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community 
members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today.




  Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help 
of WISP community!




Market segment
   Econom
   Middle
   Top
   
Market players
   Mikrotik
   Imagestream
   Vyatta
   Juniper SRX
   Cisco
   
Performance and price
   20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)
   
   Up to 8x1GE
   300 Mbps – 1500$

Up to 8x1GE
   
   
Features
   Proprietary OS
   Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package
   High end of open source routers
   Cisco competitor,

Junos
   IOS – stable and proven
   
Advantages
   
   
   
   
   
   
Disadvantages
   Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)
   OSPF issues
   
   
   
   
Use cases
   Startups
   Startups
   
   Large enterprises with certified engineers
   Large enterprises with certified engineers
   
Technical support
   Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants
   Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support
   You can purchase service contract
   Many paid options
   Many paid options
   
Try before buy
   http://demo2.mt.lv/
   
   
   
   
   





  -- Forwarded message --
  From: Roman 
  Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
  To: wireless@wispa.org



  What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for 
one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for all of 
my projects to get budget calculation. 
  For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps 
backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects with up to 
1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration 
"Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical 
characteristics and price.


  Thank you in advance!




--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Yeah, I've kept some of those too.  Back to 1999.

I keep looking around to see if I can find the original guy that talked me into 
trying this "wireless thing".  I'd like to thank him, or beat him up, depending 
on the day.  grin

I do remember he talked about having Teletronics gear strung from one end of 
Kuwait to the other.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account


  I have some WISPA, Part-15, and ISP Planet lists going back to 3Q2004.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


  On 7/11/2011 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 
FYI, deleted all of my @afmug and @wispa messages and got back 3GB of 
storage.



Jerry Richardson 

925-260-4119 x2

www.aircloud.com









WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/<>


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Just another reason to use a real email account!

I can store as much as my hard drive will allow :-)

I forget what it's up to.  I used to be able to burn a DVD as a backup, but 
that's not enough anymore.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Cc: motor...@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cleared the Gmail account


  I'm at 16GB of 25.  I'm sure I would lose more then 3GB if I deleted it all.  
How far back did you go?  I'm afraid when I get close to 25 I will need to 
start deleting messages, something I loathe doing =(

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Jerry Richardson  
wrote:

FYI, deleted all of my @afmug and @wispa messages and got back 3GB of 
storage.



Jerry Richardson 

925-260-4119 x2

www.aircloud.com










WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/



WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/





--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/<>


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] FCC 5.4 gig training

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Just wondering  How many are going to join the "What's legal, what's 
not" webinar today?

marlon




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] electro-comm or?????

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Yeah, that's what I usually do.  But sometimes a guy needs to know what his 
options are.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Johnson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] electro-comm or?


> These places are probably tired of people calling and getting free
> advise and support and then having people buy elsewhere.
>
> Buy it and try it. That's my motto.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 6/16/2011 5:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
>> Anyone else miss having these guys around?
>>
>> Know where the guys landed?
>>
>> I called Tessco the other day for advice on antennas for an application.
>> They wanted to charge me for help in picking out a product that I 
>> intended
>> to purchase from them!  ug
>>
>> It would be great to be able to talk to Mark, Tee, Lee etc. when I want 
>> to
>> try out a new product or just want to experiment with something different
>> than what I normally use today.
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] electro-comm or?????

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

I did, they said I'd have to talk to a fee based tech support person for 
advice
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Reed" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] electro-comm or?


> My sales rep at Tessco has always been able to answer that type of
> question.  Maybe try a sales person instead of support.
>
> On 6/16/2011 7:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
>> Anyone else miss having these guys around?
>>
>> Know where the guys landed?
>>
>> I called Tessco the other day for advice on antennas for an application.
>> They wanted to charge me for help in picking out a product that I 
>> intended
>> to purchase from them!  ug
>>
>> It would be great to be able to talk to Mark, Tee, Lee etc. when I want 
>> to
>> try out a new product or just want to experiment with something different
>> than what I normally use today.
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>
> -- 
> Scott Reed
> Owner
> NewWays Networking, LLC
> Wireless Networking
> Network Design, Installation and Administration
>
>
>
> Mikrotik Advanced Certified
>
> www.nwwnet.net
> (765) 855-1060
> (765) 439-4253
> (855) 231-6239
>
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] electro-comm or?????

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Anyone else miss having these guys around?

Know where the guys landed?

I called Tessco the other day for advice on antennas for an application. 
They wanted to charge me for help in picking out a product that I intended 
to purchase from them!  ug

It would be great to be able to talk to Mark, Tee, Lee etc. when I want to 
try out a new product or just want to experiment with something different 
than what I normally use today.

laters,
marlon




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] WISPA Member's Maps Updated

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Mine looks good.  I can't wait till we get coverage maps to go with them!  
There's a bit hole in the middle of Wa. that is actually very well covered :-).
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Harnish 
  To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:33 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Member's Maps Updated


  Please check your listings and let me know if they are in error.

   

  http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170

   

  Respectfully,

   

  Rick Harnish

  Executive Director

  WISPA

  260-307-4000 cell

  866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

  Skype: rick.harnish.

  rharn...@wispa.org

   

   



--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Thanks Cameron,

Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at.  
Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.

But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time?  
You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used.  
Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used.  Gas isn't in 
miles per hour etc. etc. etc.

Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a 
dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'

We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my case 
the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how 
you run the numbers.

You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer 
during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We use the bit 
caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service 
and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them.

Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's enough 
to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet 
radio (my parents have this problem :-).

For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.  Netflix 
will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more 
data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a lot.

We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these days.  
But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the 
customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account.

It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can 
do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.

We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.  But 
those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.  They 
will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices isn't 
going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the 
customers.

How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at the 
most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower.

Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I 
can.  509.988.0260

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cameron Crum 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?


  Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps 
for years.

  Cameron


  On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger  wrote:

They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
speed.

Also, given AT&T's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
of caps.

Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.

Jason


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan  wrote:
> We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled
> to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the
> video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.  We are
> looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
> model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or
> block pricing.
>
> Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too
> much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
> anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
> this, the simpler the better?
>
> Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor
> and automate billing of overages, etc?
>
> Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.
>
> --Dan P.
>
>
>
> 

> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 

>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Blush.

Thanks for the kind words Fred!

It's really important for everyone else to file too!  This is a very big 
deal and the FCC needs to hear from us!

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Goldstein" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near


> At 4/22/2011 01:07 PM, MarlonS wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I finally got my USF comments filed in the right spots (I hope, things are
>>different than the last time I filed directly :-).
>
> Marlon, I file a lot of FCC Comments, and have put in both rounds of
> Comments and the first Reply Comments, and have read a lot of the
> crap that others have filed, and having seen too many of these postings,
>
> YOUR COMMENT ROCKS!
>
> It really hits home in many ways.  Since you're writing as an
> individual entrepreneur, not as a lawyer, you aren't stuck with
> legalese interpretations of conflicting statutes.  You're talking
> real world, something the FCC so rarely deals with.  And you write
> well, which really helps get the point across.  Keep it up.
>
>
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>  +1 617 795 2701
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

When your filing is done correctly you'll be directed to a page with info 
similar to this:

ECFS Filing Receipt - Confirmation number: 2011422924356 Proceedings
 Name Subject
 10-90  In the Matter of Connect America Fund A National Brooadband Plan 
for Our Future High-Cost Universal Service Support. .
 09-51  In the matter of a National Broadband Plan for Our Future.
 07-135  In the Matter of Establishing Just and Reasonable Rates for 
Local Exchange Carriers. .
 05-337  In the Matter of Federal -State Joint Board on Universal 
Service High-Cost Universal Service Support. .. .
 01-92  Developing a Unified Intercarrier Compensation Regime.
 96-45  FEDERAL-STATE JOINT BOARD ON UNIVERSAL SERVICE
 03-109  In the Matter of Lifeline and Link-Up
 Contact Info
Name of Filer: Marlon K. Schafer
Email Address: o...@odessaoffice.com  Address
Address Line 1: box 489
City: Odessa
State: WASHINGTON
Zip: 99159  Details
Type of Filing: COMMENT
Document(s)File Name Custom Description Size
  USF reform platform.doc  Resending wtih proceeding's indluded on the 
doccument. 155 KB

Disclaimer
This confirmation verifies that ECFS has received and accepted your filing. 
However, your filing will be rejected by ECFS if it contains macros, 
passwords, redlining, read-only formatting, a virus, or automated links to 
other documents.

Filings are generally processed and made available for online viewing within 
one business day of receipt. You may use the link below to check on the 
status of your filing:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment/confirm?confirmation=2011422924356

For any problems please contact the Help Desk at 202-418-0193.

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)" 
To: 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: [WISPA] USF comment deadline is near


> Hi All,
>
> I finally got my USF comments filed in the right spots (I hope, things are
> different than the last time I filed directly :-).
>
> Your comments will apply to multiple FCC documents.  Here's the list:
> WC Docket No. 10-90
> GN Docket No. 09-51
> WC Docket No. 07-135
> WC Docket No. 05-337
> CC Docket No. 01-92
> CC Docket No. 96-45
> WC Docket No. 03-109
>
> You'll go here to file them:
> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=7t6a4
>
> Notice the proceeding box.  You'll put one of the above numbers into that
> box then fill out the rest of the form.  There is a spot you can click 
> that
> will let you put more than one proceeding into your filing.  That'll save
> you a lot of time.
>
> The easiest way to do this is to include the above numbers into a document
> that you write then attach the document at the bottom of the filing form.
>
> Here's mine:
> *
>
> Friday, March 18, 2011
>
>
>
> Comments on USF.
>
> WC Docket No. 10-90
>
> GN Docket No. 09-51
> WC Docket No. 07-135
> WC Docket No. 05-337
> CC Docket No. 01-92
> CC Docket No. 96-45
> WC Docket No. 03-109
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
>
>
>I have been reading the current NPRM on USF and have gone
> from excited to frustrated to outright petrified, all in the first 20 
> pages
> or so.
>
>
>
>At this point I think my life as an ISP is pretty well 
> over.
> It's just a matter of time before I join the ranks of the buggy whip
> industry.
>
>
>
>You site example upon example of creative rule
> interpretations, shady practices and out right misappropriations.  Yet 
> there
> is not one word dedicated to enforcement.  Nothing about removal of
> companies from the program when they clearly abuse the current programs.
>
>
>
>What good is an overhaul of the USF system and all of it's
> side bar programs into a new CAF or any other program if the same ol'
> companies are still going to have access to it?  They cheated the system
> before, they'll do it again!
>
>
>
>I'd always wondered how it happened that PTI bought out the
> US West system here in Odessa.  Then PTI was bought out by Century Tel.
> Then Century Tel bought out Embarq.  Next they bought Quest, not an area
> Quest covered, but Quest.  Quest, the renamed US West!
>
>
>
>Where in the world does a small rural telco get the money 
> to
> buy out a huge company like US West/Quest?  Now I know.  They game a 
> system
> that no one cares is being scammed.
>
>
>
>I had a "temp" cable run to my house for 3 years.  On a
> short drive last week I spotted 2 more "temp" runs, one of which I know 
> has
> been there f

[WISPA] USF comment deadline is near

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Hi All,

I finally got my USF comments filed in the right spots (I hope, things are 
different than the last time I filed directly :-).

Your comments will apply to multiple FCC documents.  Here's the list:
WC Docket No. 10-90
GN Docket No. 09-51
WC Docket No. 07-135
WC Docket No. 05-337
CC Docket No. 01-92
CC Docket No. 96-45
WC Docket No. 03-109

You'll go here to file them:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=7t6a4

Notice the proceeding box.  You'll put one of the above numbers into that 
box then fill out the rest of the form.  There is a spot you can click that 
will let you put more than one proceeding into your filing.  That'll save 
you a lot of time.

The easiest way to do this is to include the above numbers into a document 
that you write then attach the document at the bottom of the filing form.

Here's mine:
*

Friday, March 18, 2011



Comments on USF.

WC Docket No. 10-90

GN Docket No. 09-51
WC Docket No. 07-135
WC Docket No. 05-337
CC Docket No. 01-92
CC Docket No. 96-45
WC Docket No. 03-109





Dear Sirs,



I have been reading the current NPRM on USF and have gone 
from excited to frustrated to outright petrified, all in the first 20 pages 
or so.



At this point I think my life as an ISP is pretty well over. 
It's just a matter of time before I join the ranks of the buggy whip 
industry.



You site example upon example of creative rule 
interpretations, shady practices and out right misappropriations.  Yet there 
is not one word dedicated to enforcement.  Nothing about removal of 
companies from the program when they clearly abuse the current programs.



What good is an overhaul of the USF system and all of it's 
side bar programs into a new CAF or any other program if the same ol' 
companies are still going to have access to it?  They cheated the system 
before, they'll do it again!



I'd always wondered how it happened that PTI bought out the 
US West system here in Odessa.  Then PTI was bought out by Century Tel. 
Then Century Tel bought out Embarq.  Next they bought Quest, not an area 
Quest covered, but Quest.  Quest, the renamed US West!



Where in the world does a small rural telco get the money to 
buy out a huge company like US West/Quest?  Now I know.  They game a system 
that no one cares is being scammed.



I had a "temp" cable run to my house for 3 years.  On a 
short drive last week I spotted 2 more "temp" runs, one of which I know has 
been there for more than a year.  Just cable strung across the ground along 
side the ditch.  There is one main trunk, just outside of town, that's been 
ground laid for 7 years now!  They can afford to buy out Quest but they can't 
afford to maintain the network that they already have?



So, take USF funds for a "high cost" area, don't fix things 
in the "high cost" area and instead buy out your competition.  Nice gig.



Why is there ANY talk of expanding subsidies to companies 
that act this way?  Why do I even have to worry about what I'm going to do 
to try to compete with a company that gets it's money from what amounts to a 
tax on communications?



What needs to happen here is to just stop the funding.  It's 
clearly not needed in MOST cases these days.  The "high cost" areas are high 
cost due in too large a part to fraud, waste and abuse, not to the costs 
associated with improving the networks.  These guys had their chance, they 
blew it by playing the part of the stereotypical corporate greedmonger.  It's 
time to turn off the spigot.  Those that can really run a business will be 
fine, those that can't can, should and will fail and be replaced by better 
companies with better practices and probably better equipment.



If you insist upon trying to "fix" the problem by creating a 
new and expanded program please, in God's name, make it a simple program! 
Heck, even the question you asked required nearly 300 single spaced type 
written pages. Don't create something that will require a staff of people to 
understand and or comply with.  Don't make a program that's so convoluted 
that it's easily abused due to people's inability to fully understand it. 
Please do not, again, create a program that's only understood by those with 
a vested financial interest in the program.  Make sure it's understandable 
by anyone that is interested in using it OR keeping the participants honest.



There is quite a bit of talk in the industry about consumer 
vouchers, pay the customer and let all of us fight over the customer.  I don't 
think that's a good option for the entrepreneur.  It will take money to 
build the networks that the consumer will be expected to draw service from. 
That means that the network must first be built and it'll be paid for only 
after it's in place, if we get the customer.  My b

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

H.

Who would have thought this would ever happen?  roflol

Maybe those of us that set usage limits back in 2000?  whoo hooo  I am 
SOO good at this business!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt" 
To: "WUG" ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News


> http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=bandwidth+cap&form=QBNB&qs=n&sk=&sc=8-13
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] USF stuff, comments due April 1st.

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Hi All,

I've been reading the USF proceeding that the FCC is working on.  It's LONG 
and boring.

I've pretty much given up though.  I'm disheartened and disgusted.

In the proceeding they give example after example of the abuse that's taking 
place within USF and it's cousin programs.  Yet the focus is in how to 
change the rules so that the abuse stops.

How in the world are they going to get dishonest operators to stop being 
dishonest just by changing the rules?

And all of the talk that I've read so far centers around how to revise the 
programs so that the same ol' people will somehow magically start behaving 
nicely and putting the funds into the customers instead of buying out their 
competition, bonus' or whatever.

It sure looks like the fix is already in.  Lots of work, lots of talk, etc. 
But at the end of the day it'll be just like the stimulus programs, most of 
the money will go to the people that are largely responsible for the mess in 
the first place!

Anyone else have a different take on this?

The NPRM is here:
http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0209/FCC-11-13A1.pdf

More info here (commissioner comments etc.):
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/Query.do?numberFld=&numberFld2=&docket=10-90&dateFld=&docTitleDesc=

If I'm reading this correctly, comments are due April 1st.

We still don't have a stance on much of what we think USF should be!

My thought is that they should get rid of USF completely.  I don't care if 
you call it USF, CAF, e-rate or anything else, let the market handle this 
chore.

But they won't do that.  So my next thought is that they should just expand 
the program, as is, to include the existing broadband players in the market 
and put a 10 year sunset on the program, after that, only the strong shall 
survive.

But they won't do that either.  So how do we make it so that companies like 
Century Tel that have managed to leave wire laying across the ditch for 
YEARS out here because there is no budget to fix things, can't then turn 
around and buy out their larger competitors for billions of dollars?

thoughts?
marlon




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Re: [WISPA] Calea ComplianceRight.

There are documents that WISPA has created to help with this.

http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2022

We also have an implementation guide but the board has not determined how 
that's to be distributed.  We can certainly get a copy to you if you are a 
member.

Please note, that we're in the middle of a minor re-write that will focus on 
IPv6 issues and a couple of clarifications that needed work in the original 
version.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
  To: ro...@g5i.net ; 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance


  You would be better off putting a passive tap inline and the router as a 
"probe".  If you do that, it will be completely invisible to the end customer.

   

  Regards,

  Jeff
  ImageStream Sales Manager
  800-813-5123 x106


--

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Roger Howard
  Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:50 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

   

  Ok, but the FBI wouldn't know I stuck the hardware there at the last
  minute. And the tower glitches off whenever I do a firmware upgrade
  anyway. The customer wouldn't know the difference.

  On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Josh Luthman
   wrote:
  > Depends who you ask.  Some might say the customer could notice a "change in
  > network" and hence non compliant.
  >
  > On Mar 5, 2011 10:43 PM, "Roger Howard"  wrote:
  >> Would I cover myself for calea by having a mikrotik router on the
  >> shelf, set up as a bridge, with the calea module installed. Then if I
  >> get subpoenaed for a tap, I just run out to the appropriate tower and
  >> put it on the ethernet interface of whichever AP the subscriber is on?
  >>
  >> Thanks,
  >> Roger
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> 

  >> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  >> http://signup.wispa.org/
  >>
  >> 

  >>
  >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
  >>
  >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
  >>
  >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
  >


  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  


  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 


--

  No virus found in this message.
  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
  Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3487 - Release Date: 03/07/11



--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members > Demographics

[Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)]

Holy smokes!  How can you follow ANYTHING on that page?  I got dizzy just 
looking at it.  Never did find that sarcasm emoticon thingy.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: David E. Smith 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members > Demographics





  On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 08:55, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

I'm still waiting for someone to invent sarcasm font.



  http://mashable.com/2010/01/15/sarcmark/


  David Smith
  MVN.net




--




  

  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
  http://signup.wispa.org/
  

   
  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

  Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

  Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Data retention and right to privacy - etc..

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Now that's some very scary stuff!

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "David Hulsebus" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Data retention and right to privacy - etc..


> FYI
>
> From SANS NewsBites Vol.11 Num.13
>
>
> --UK Plans to Consolidate Communication Data Retention
> (February 13 & 16, 2009)
> Rather than requiring every service provider in the UK to keep its own
> user communication information to comply with European data retention
> rules, the UK government plans to use BT and other "high tier providers"
> to retain the data.  The move comes as a result of the government's
> decision not to bear the burden of paying for each individual provider's
> compliant data retention system.  UK draft laws require retention of IP
> address and session data for 12 months.  The data retention scheme is
> expected to cost taxpayers about GBP 46 million (US $65.7 million).
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/16/eu_data_retention_transposition/
> http://www.vnunet.com/computing/news/2236479/retaining-communications-cost
>
>
> Another newsbite
>
> --Canadian Judge Rules Internet Users Have "No Reasonable Expectation
>  of Privacy"
> (February 13, 2009)
> A judge in Canada has ruled that Internet users have "no reasonable
> expectation of privacy" regarding records kept by their Internet service
> providers (ISPs).  The ruling was made in the course of a child
> pornography case in which law enforcement officers asked an ISP to
> provide subscriber information for an IP address that was allegedly used
> to access the content.  Bell Canada provided the information without a
> warrant.  Most Canadian ISPs require warrants before they will provide
> subscriber names, except in the case of child pornography.  Privacy
> advocates are concerned the ruling could set a precedent that would put
> individuals' entire surfing history at the disposal of law enforcement
> authorities without the need for warrants.  They maintain the judge
> operated under the faulty assumption that the information obtained from
> the ISP is similar to what could be found in a telephone directory.
> http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1283120
> http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Police+have+access+your+online+history/1286193/story.html
>
> [Editor's Note (Northcutt): The ever dwindling right to privacy. Keep
> in mind that ISPs want to collect information on user's surfing etc.,
> so they can sell that data to marketing firms. Be sure to check out the
> related FTC story elsewhere in this issue.
> (Hoelzer): This topic will become more and more interesting legally
> since in many jurisdictions governments are requiring that certain
> records be kept; while the intent is good the potential for abuse toward
> individuals unfriendly to a particular political point of view could
> result in the end.  For example, consider the story out of the UK this
> week moving to consolidate this type of data into top tier providers for
> easier access and monitoring by government.]
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hi Apryl,

Where did we get those Ferrite beads?

thanks,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Larry A Weidig" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads


> Thanks, but that only took me to a search page with 4,991
> Matches.  That does not help narrow it down much, just slightly fewer
> than a Google search produced :)  We are looking for ones that can snap
> onto existing runs/terminations.  Thanks!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:44 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads
>
> http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?N=2105407
>
> / Eje
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads
>
> Can somebody supply me with a link to a source for these?
> Thanks!
>
> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
> * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
> * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
> 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] Great article on Brian's map

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/politics/2009/wireless+map+form+477.html

I especially liked the Verizon YouTube bit.  Very funny and probably oh so 
true!

Great write-up by Alex!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam






WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] CPNI filing. Do you have any VoIP?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hi All,

I've verified, as accurately as I can, that anyone that's billing for VoIP 
services has to deal with this.

Here is some information that I got from the FCC.

This document contains a 1-page template for the annual CPNI
certification:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-171A1.doc

And here is a link that explains the CPNI requirements:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-1321A1.doc

I'm not going to even mess with this.  I'll have Steve Coran take care of it 
for us.  At least as much of it as possible.

At first I didn't think this applied to us as we don't ever even see the 
billing detail etc.  All we do is drop off an ATA and then bill the customer 
for his monthly service.  Apparently that's all it takes.

sigh

Have fun,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam






WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] circular polarity was -- Re: yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

In MY case it's due to frequency reuse.  You can't get much isolation 
against noise, other ap's etc. with it.  Something like 3dB instead of 10 to 
15.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas


> I'm glad you brought this up. Why arent circular and multi-polarized
> antennas used more often? I've got a small 3dbi WiFi-Plus unit that
> performs better than many standard omni units.
> -RickG
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Jason  wrote:
>> As I understand, circular polarization will help with the Fresnel
>> problem.  It's polarity reverses when reflected, so the Fresnel
>> reflection won't degrade your signal as abruptly.  I've never had to do
>> this, though.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No 
>>> problem
>>> with the 9 miles.
>>>
>>> However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right
>>> now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we 
>>> don't
>>> hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there 
>>> is
>>> a leafy tree.
>>>
>>> If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.
>>>
>>> There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out 
>>> of
>>> the question.
>>>
>>> I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' 
>>> on
>>> the other?
>>>
>>> What would you do?
>>>
>>> Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marlon
>>> (509) 982-2181
>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
>>> 1999!
>>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

pppttt

Wanna know what's really funny?  While checking out the building that has 
the fiber in it, I found out why the AP there has been acting up.  I thought 
it was just another flaky Teletronics 152.  Nope, it's doing fine.  The home 
owner that my "tower" sits on decided to put in a metal horse barn!  RIGHT 
in the path of the sector.

I talked to her today and asked her about it.  She said "But it's lower than 
the antenna isn't it"  Arrr  I said "Look at where the antenna 
points.  That new building is DIRECTLY between my antenna and most of my 
customers."  sigh  The good news is that I think she'll let me move it to 
the top of the house this time.

Lesson learned (again)?  NEVER ass-u-me anything when it comes to how your 
network is running.

Just went to another customer's place the other day.  He's been whining 
about slow service for months now.  We keep trying different channels etc. 
at the tower site (It's a known problematic one).  I checked his signal 
levels.  They sucked!  -92 or so.  Amazingly he was still getting 500k or 
so.  I figured I'd found the problem, bad radio.  Stuck a brand new one in 
and it was almost as bad.  What???

Next I pulled down his radio and moved it around while watching the signal 
lights.  Get this, by moving his radio DOWN about 2' I got his signal into 
the low -80s.  Speeds went into the 1 to 2 meg range.  As that put it right 
in a doorway we also moved it to the west by about 5 or 6' and mounted it. 
That got his signals into the high -70's and his speeds went into the high 3 
meg down 2 meg up range!

Sometimes, hell, most times, it's the simple stuff that trips us.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "CHUCK PROFITO" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas


> Move the tower left  or right a few yards :-)
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-ACCESS, INC
> cprof...@cv-access.com
> Providing High Speed Broadband
> to Rural Central California
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:58 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No 
> problem
>
> with the 9 miles.
>
> However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the 
> way.
>
> We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right
> now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we 
> don't
> hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there 
> is
> a leafy tree.
>
> If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.
>
> There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out of
> the question.
>
> I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on
> the other?
>
> What would you do?
>
> Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?
>
> Thanks,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hi All,

I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No problem 
with the 9 miles.

However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the way.

We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right 
now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we don't 
hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there is 
a leafy tree.

If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.

There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out of 
the question.

I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on 
the other?

What would you do?

Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?

Thanks,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam






WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package -ContactyourCongressmen

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Yeah.  Without failure there is never innovation.

I don't think that there is anything too big to fail.  Heck, entire nations 
do it all of the time.

Let the poorly run companies die.  That'll make room for new people with 
better ides.

I heard yesterday that the calls going to people in the Senate are running 
100 to 1 AGAINST the bill.  Who knows, maybe it'll die after all.

I also heard on the radio that the GAO has predicted that we'll be worse off 
in 10 years if the bill passes.  It'll help some now, but make things even 
worse than they are now.  Seems to me that history would support that view.

shrug,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus 
Package -ContactyourCongressmen


> thanks Marlon.
>
> I read a rumor about two days ago that said the Senate might not pass, as
> there's at least a couple Democrats who are rather uneasy with all the
> spending and might filibuster it.  Who knows where that goes.
>
> I read somewhere that if we took the bailout money,  and stimulus money 
> that
> has and is expected to be spent, and just divided it among the adults, it
> ends up to be many thousands per working person - something over 10K.   If
> we just let the banks and loans fail and instead, divided up the 
> "insurance"
> ,FDIC obligations, and Freddy and Fannie liabilities, and all the other
> spending among all of us, I understand it would be something like 70K for
> each household.
>
> As it is, I understand that the only real break to people who are not 
> either
> really rich or really poor, is a $500 check.   And heaven only knows when
> that would show up.   And we're borrowing something just less than $3000 
> per
> man, woman, and child to do this latest one.
>
> I'm not exactly hopeful here.   All the "long term" prognosticators I read
> are now saying we're headed for certain hyperinflation.
>
> We'd have been better off to let every bank fail that's failing, let 
> Freddie
> and Fannie die, and then hand out the money that we're all liable for just
> to the people.   It would have been enough to restart a whole new 
> economoy.
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
> To: 
> Cc: ; 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:46 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package -
> ContactyourCongressmen
>
>
>> My congressman (actually woman) voted no on the stimulus package.  I've
>> known her for years so I felt OK being more personal than I normally
>> would.  I thought it important to tell her that I LIKED her vote.  Info 
>> on
>> how to contact your representatives is listed below
>>
>> Hi Cathy,
>>
>> I just wanted to drop you a note and give you a great big THANK YOU for
>> trying to stop the madness.
>>
>> Keep voting against more government fraud, waste and abuse.
>>
>> Once the pork barrel (er, uh, sorry, stimulus bill) gets railroaded
>> through I hope you can find a way to insure that the funds go to small
>> businesses with lots and lots of small projects.  Anything else will take
>> far too long to actually be helpful.  Any applications will also need to
>> be greatly streamlined from normal government requirements.
>>
>> I would be more than happy to help in regards to my industry segment.
>> (Wireless Internet Service Provider)
>>
>> Thanks again for doing the right thing.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Marlon K. Schafer
>> Owner
>> Odessa Office Equipment
>> www.odessaoffice.com
>>
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are websites that you can find your US Senators and Representatives.
>> I just sent a letter to my two Senators in Indiana.  It is important that
>> everyone do thi

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Josh you are far too hard on your cars!

They are supposed to smoke from the tires, not the passenger compartment!

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


> My first car was a Riviera with a v8 6.6L 403.  I owned the highways with
> that power, I put gas stations out of business with the 8 mpg and I
> threatened anything that went too slow.
>
> Then one day...
>
> http://iam8up.com/fiya/
>
> We have not made a move on a new vehicle yet so any other suggestions that
> exist are more then welcome!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>
>> Sadly I have the inline 6 (nice smooth motor) and it's far too gutless 
>> for
>> that!  grin
>>
>> Probably a good thing for me though.  This is what happens when I have a
>> rig
>> that will turn the tires
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IABYPB9Yqc
>>
>> grin
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Letter to my senators

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hmmm, good idea.  I'll remember that for next time.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick Leary" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Letter to my senators


> Marlon,
>
> I think it would have more impact if you started it with the following:
> "As a small business owner..."
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:38 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Cc: w...@part-15.org; isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
> Subject: [WISPA] Letter to my senators
>
> Hi All,
>
> Here is the letter that I sent to my senators this am:
> Dear Senator Cantwell,
>
>
>
>Please vote no on the stimulus bill.  As written this bill
> seems set to mainly put pork barrel money into the hands of the large
> companies who's misuse of investment funds clearly led to the current
> market crash.
>
>
>
>Giving more of MY money to the liars, cheats, and thieves on
> Wall Street will do NOTHING to make me turn loose of the hard earned
> money that I get to keep.
>
>
>
>Please keep in mind that no company is too large to fail.
> If they screw up they deserve to fail.  That is the only way that new,
> creative enterprises can ever get started.
>
>
>
>The current mess we are in has far more to do with my
> confidence as a consumer than anything else.  I'll be paying off debt,
> building a cash reserve and doing without some of the nice things I'd
> like to have.  In a year or two I'll likely start spending money on
> fluff again.
>
>
>
>Then again, if I have to worry about paying off a greatly
> increased government debt (or my grandkids having to pay it back) I'll
> hold on to every cent I can for as long as I can so that my family does
> not end up in even worse shape a generation or two down the road.
>
>
>
>Again, please stop the madness!  Don't rush into a trillion
> dollar shopping spree. Vote no.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Marlon K. Schafer
>
>
>
> To send yours is easy, click here:
>
> http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
>
> Select your state, then click on the link.  I typed mine in word first
> so
> that I could spell check it.
>
>
>
> Once the bill passes I'll send something similar stating that they need
> to
> put the money into the engine that drives our economy not the rest of
> the
> train.  Small business makes up 95% of our economy last I knew.  (anyone
>
> have current numbers???)  So this package really needs to go to those
> small
> sub 10m per year (or is it 100m?  What is a small business?) companies
> not
> the fortune 500 or even 1000.
>
>
>
> If you don't vote you can't bitch!  Get off those lazy computer geek
> butts
> and make your voices heard!
>
>
>
> Fingers crossed,
>
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Sadly I have the inline 6 (nice smooth motor) and it's far too gutless for 
that!  grin

Probably a good thing for me though.  This is what happens when I have a rig 
that will turn the tires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IABYPB9Yqc

grin
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle





WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

fyi, it's not a van...

http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg

I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had to 
settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the kids, 
heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension 
(this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly a 
foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one make 
sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.

http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0

These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.

The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them, 
didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm

They have some of those on ebay too:
http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just 
> do
> not mix.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>
>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat. 
>> I'm
>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is totally
>> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws. 
>> I
>> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show 
>> up
>> at first.
>>
>> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else sits
>> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter and
>> cold in the summer.
>>
>> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>>
>> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
>> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>>
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>>
>> > What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
>> > that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
>> > to put al our stuff in.
>> >
>> > Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
>> > If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
>> > wouldn't be asking :(
>> >
>> > --
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> > --- Henry Spencer
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> > http://signup.wispa.org/
>> >
>> 
>> >
>> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>> >
>> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>> >
>> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>> >
>

[WISPA] Fw: [FCC Committee] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations, list of vendors donating?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

This can't possibly be true can it?

Where are our vendors???

big grin

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: John McDowell 
To: fcccommit...@wispa.org 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [FCC Committee] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations,list of vendors 
donating?


wow, Hope they have lobbyist of their own


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:

  This far NetSapiens pledge of $250 is the only one that has come from a 
Vendor Member that I know of.  



  From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of John McDowell
  Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:13 AM
  To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group; 
fcccommit...@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations, list of vendors donating?



  Rick et al, is there a list of vendors who have donated to the lobbying 
efforts? I would think vendors would be particularly interested in our efforts. 
Perhaps some of the bigger vendors out there could match WISP operator 
donations?

  Regards,

  -- 
  John M. McDowell
  Boonlink Communications
  307 Grand Ave NW
  Fort Payne, AL 35967
  256.844.9932
  j...@boonlink.com
  www.boonlink.com






  This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged.
  Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee),
  you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any
  information contained in the message. If you have received the message in
  error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and
  delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing,
  spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your
  computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the
  source, please contact the sender directly.


  ___
  FCCcommittee mailing list
  fcccommit...@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcccommittee




-- 
John M. McDowell
Boonlink Communications
307 Grand Ave NW
Fort Payne, AL 35967
256.844.9932
j...@boonlink.com
www.boonlink.com






This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged.
Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee),
you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any
information contained in the message. If you have received the message in
error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and
delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing,
spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your
computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the
source, please contact the sender directly.






___
FCCcommittee mailing list
fcccommit...@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcccommittee



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] propane generators?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

I thought about that.  Not having one already (other than portable gas 
units) I was really thinking about diesel rather than propane.  It'll 
probably cost more money, but how do you lug a reasonably sized propane tank 
up the hill when you can't drive to the site etc.?

By using heating oil any gelling issues should be minimized.  Fuel deicer 
(or whatever it's called) should help even more.

Just my thoughts
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Cosby" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: [WISPA] propane generators?


> Anyone using small propane generators at their wireless towers?  Any
> suggestions?  I only need 2KW or so, but would like to be able to start
> it remotely as needed.  The site is primarily solar, this would be to
> back us up on snow days.
>
> thanks,
>
> -- 
> Randy Cosby
> Vice President
> InfoWest, Inc
>
> work: 435-773-6071
> email: rco...@infowest.com
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.  I'm 
only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is totally 
loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.  I 
did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show up 
at first.

The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else sits 
well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter and 
cold in the summer.

The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.

Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one. 
EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle


> What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
> that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
> to put al our stuff in.
>
> Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
> If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
> wouldn't be asking :(
>
> -- 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million squaremiles covered!

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

The "problem" is that most of that empty space isn't really empty

How to get the people there onto this list

And I REALLY want to know how many homes are passed by those circles!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Parsons" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million 
squaremiles covered!


> This is awesome. Look at all that empty space :-)
>
> Scott
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Webster
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:25 AM
> To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million square
> miles covered!
>
> Here is a fixed graphic of the National WISP map showing the lower 48
> states. I have been getting updates via email on top of what Matt sends 
> from
> the directory.  The footprint now covers 567,315 square miles! I'm still
> working out the bug that makes the circle radius on the Google Maps 
> smaller
> than the 10 mile radius. The land area calculations are done based on the 
> 10
> miles.
>
> Help spread the word about this effort to collect data. For those who have
> drawn their coverage area in Google Earth, send me that file and I can add
> it directly to the map.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million squaremiles covered!

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

So much for wisps only being in rural areas!

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Webster" 
To: "WISPA List" ; ; 

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:24 AM
Subject: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half a million squaremiles 
covered!


> Here is a fixed graphic of the National WISP map showing the lower 48
> states. I have been getting updates via email on top of what Matt sends 
> from
> the directory.  The footprint now covers 567,315 square miles! I'm still
> working out the bug that makes the circle radius on the Google Maps 
> smaller
> than the 10 mile radius. The land area calculations are done based on the 
> 10
> miles.
>
> Help spread the word about this effort to collect data. For those who have
> drawn their coverage area in Google Earth, send me that file and I can add
> it directly to the map.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>





>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] Letter to my senators

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hi All,

Here is the letter that I sent to my senators this am:
Dear Senator Cantwell,



Please vote no on the stimulus bill.  As written this bill seems 
set to mainly put pork barrel money into the hands of the large companies 
who's misuse of investment funds clearly led to the current market crash.



Giving more of MY money to the liars, cheats, and thieves on 
Wall Street will do NOTHING to make me turn loose of the hard earned money 
that I get to keep.



Please keep in mind that no company is too large to fail.  If 
they screw up they deserve to fail.  That is the only way that new, creative 
enterprises can ever get started.



The current mess we are in has far more to do with my confidence 
as a consumer than anything else.  I'll be paying off debt, building a cash 
reserve and doing without some of the nice things I'd like to have.  In a 
year or two I'll likely start spending money on fluff again.



Then again, if I have to worry about paying off a greatly 
increased government debt (or my grandkids having to pay it back) I'll hold 
on to every cent I can for as long as I can so that my family does not end 
up in even worse shape a generation or two down the road.



Again, please stop the madness!  Don't rush into a trillion 
dollar shopping spree. Vote no.



Sincerely,

Marlon K. Schafer



To send yours is easy, click here:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Select your state, then click on the link.  I typed mine in word first so 
that I could spell check it.



Once the bill passes I'll send something similar stating that they need to 
put the money into the engine that drives our economy not the rest of the 
train.  Small business makes up 95% of our economy last I knew.  (anyone 
have current numbers???)  So this package really needs to go to those small 
sub 10m per year (or is it 100m?  What is a small business?) companies not 
the fortune 500 or even 1000.



If you don't vote you can't bitch!  Get off those lazy computer geek butts 
and make your voices heard!



Fingers crossed,

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam






WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package - Contact yourCongressmen

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

My congressman (actually woman) voted no on the stimulus package.  I've known 
her for years so I felt OK being more personal than I normally would.  I 
thought it important to tell her that I LIKED her vote.  Info on how to contact 
your representatives is listed below

Hi Cathy,

I just wanted to drop you a note and give you a great big THANK YOU for trying 
to stop the madness.

Keep voting against more government fraud, waste and abuse.

Once the pork barrel (er, uh, sorry, stimulus bill) gets railroaded through I 
hope you can find a way to insure that the funds go to small businesses with 
lots and lots of small projects.  Anything else will take far too long to 
actually be helpful.  Any applications will also need to be greatly streamlined 
from normal government requirements.

I would be more than happy to help in regards to my industry segment.  
(Wireless Internet Service Provider)

Thanks again for doing the right thing.

Sincerely,
Marlon K. Schafer
Owner
Odessa Office Equipment
www.odessaoffice.com

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam




To all,

 

Here are websites that you can find your US Senators and Representatives.  I 
just sent a letter to my two Senators in Indiana.  It is important that 
everyone do this and make sure the Senators understand the importance WISPs 
have had in rural broadband and how important we are in the future.  We can 
send them a more unified message as the legislative committee gets it refined.  
I think it is important to get on the radar screen early though.  Make an 
introduction of your company and your locations

 

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

 

http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml

 

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

 






___

WISPA Membership Mailing List

---



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Bad install days

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

We use mainly indoor cat 5.  When the temp drops much below 20* the 
insulation gets pretty hard.  It'll more around quite a bit but a sharp bend 
will sometimes cause it to break.

When it's too windy I worry about the ladder getting blown over (that's 
happened more than once).

If it's foggy and I can't see the towers I also can't see what might be in 
the way.

I'm a pretty fair weather installer.  Anything that *might* cause me to go 
back is avoided if at all possible.

Anything that *might* get me hurt is avoided at all times.  Period.  That's 
part of why I have a 65' bucket truck.  No one else out here has one that I 
know of.  They climb those old TV towers etc.  I use a truck.  Much much 
safer.

People don't like getting rescheduled, sometimes 3 or 4 times, but we tell 
them that we got our reputation by doing a good job the first time, not by 
cutting every corner we could.  Nor do we do stupid things (anymore :-)) and 
have installs that just don't work right.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days


>I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are
> scheduled and the weather is bad.  The problems I see are safety, not
> seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work
> in.
>
> Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks
> like bubblewrap on my car.
>
> I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and
> reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a
> half day if things lighten up.
>
> -- 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] OT: UPS Connector

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Open it up and solder on a new connector

Maybe one like this:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.smarthome.com/images/4239tw.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.smarthome.com/4239TW/Tamper-Resistant-Decorator-Outlet-White/p.aspx&usg=__JojwS2WxON7HcawcWKSQgAGlQvM=&h=275&w=275&sz=4&hl=en&start=55&um=1&tbnid=fNggp8F3yY5VhM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Doutlet%26start%3D54%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Just a thought.
marlon

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Matt" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: [WISPA] OT: UPS Connector


>I have a UPS with an external battery connector.  Apparently the 72
> volt battery packs it connects too have been discountinued.  Can
> anyone tell me where to get a plug that fits it?  Attached is a
> picture of the jack.
>
> Matt
>





>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

I have some on the network.

So far I like my Alvarion gear.  It's over prices but it's also rock solid.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Al Stewart" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:15 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion


> Does anyone have any experience with Alvarion wireless products?
>
> Al
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] OMG...

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Yeah, in a cold house on an old worn out mattress.

While your competitors eat caviar and stay warm with $500/hour hookers.

It's not free money Mark.  But our kids are somehow going to have to pay it 
back someday.  Are you going to leave them in poverty when that happens?  Or 
are you going to do what it takes (knowing that you have no control over the 
rules of the game) to make sure that they can pay their share back and still 
live a decent life?

Quit whining and go run for office!  This can NOT be fixed from the outside 
in.  We have to get inside to fix it.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG...


>
> Hell no.  I won't take "free" money without strings.
>
> I have to sleep at night.
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Travis Johnson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG...
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As I mentioned before, I don't want the hand-out either. The problem is,
>> I don't want my competition to get any "free" money either (including
>> cable or DSL). So, what do we do? The only option I see is to ask for
>> our fair share, so we can stay on even ground.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
>>> Some of the financial and economic advisors I read from time to time are
>>> in
>>> deadly serious mode and I believe them.   They're saying that unless all
>>> this debt and spending is stopped and stopped NOW, we're going to face a
>>> currency collapse as our currency depreciates to worthlessness.
>>>
>>> I can't believe a single one of us would be in favor of any of the pork
>>> barrell bills in Congress, much less raising money to lobby FOR them.
>>>
>>> You want to lobby AGAINST there being any pork bills, I'll donate if I
>>> can.
>>> If you're going to lobby for them, I can only surmise than none of you
>>> care
>>> about our future so long as you get your handout NOW.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] OMG...

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

I'll be personally lobbying AGAINST the porkbarrle bill.  Giving more money 
to the liars, cheats, and thieves that trashed consumer (stock market 
investors and purchasers) confidence in the first place isn't going to help 
anyone.  In fact it's likely to make people hold on to their money even 
tighter.

After nearly a decade of having a LOT of money on credit cards (some as high 
as 30%) we're paying off the first one in the next few days.  Another one 
should fall in 2 or 3 months.  By the end of the year, all things staying as 
they are now, we'll have nearly all of it paid off.

Till now I've been building and building and building. Now I'm gonna pull 
that back a bit and go into survival mode.  Even though things are NOT tight 
for us right now.  If things really do go to hell in a hand basket I want to 
be ready for it.  If they only go to hell I want to be ready to pick up my 
competitors at the fire sales.

More government debt and/or money to my competitors won't make me spend 
money.  And spending is what it'll take to get things rolling nicely again.

So here's my plan.  I'm gonna try to get this abomination stopped.  If 
(actually when) I fail at that I'll work to make sure that I get as much of 
it as I can.  They WILL spend it.  Might as well come my direction.

In the old days our forefathers ran to America to get away from oppressive 
government.  Where are we supposed to run?  Anyone want to help me start a 
colony on the moon?

deep sigh
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Bartosch" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG...


>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:03 PM, RickG wrote:
>
>> But...IF it collapses, your $200k is worthless :)
>
> That's what I meant by "tails I win, heads you lose" ;-).
>
> Chuck
>
>>
>> Also, you didnt say what time frame for the collapse to happen.
>> Just my silly obsevation :)
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Chuck Bartosch
>>  wrote:
>>> Tell ya what Mark. I'll bet you $10,000 the collapse won't happen.
>>> No,
>>> let's make it $100,000. Now, I'm serious! I'll even give you 2:1
>>> odds.
>>> I'll give you $200,000 if it collapses. Deal?
>>>
>>> (Of course, ha gotta love these "tales I win, heads you lose" kind of
>>> bets ;-).
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:58 PM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
>>>
 Some of the financial and economic advisors I read from time to time
 are in
 deadly serious mode and I believe them.   They're saying that unless
 all
 this debt and spending is stopped and stopped NOW, we're going to
 face a
 currency collapse as our currency depreciates to worthlessness.

 I can't believe a single one of us would be in favor of any of the
 pork
 barrell bills in Congress, much less raising money to lobby FOR
 them.

 You want to lobby AGAINST there being any pork bills, I'll donate if
 I can.
 If you're going to lobby for them, I can only surmise than none of
 you care
 about our future so long as you get your handout NOW.





 
 



 
 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
 http://signup.wispa.org/
 

 WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

 Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
 http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

 Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chuck Bartosch
>>> Clarity Connect, Inc.
>>> 200 Pleasant Grove Road
>>> Ithaca, NY 14850
>>> (607) 257-8268
>>>
>>> If all is not lost, where is it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
> --
> Chuck Bartosch
> Clarity Connect, Inc.
> 200 Pleasant Grove Road
> I

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Free Coverage maps? --- An idea

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

That works for me...
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian Webster 
  To: memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@wispa.org ; WISPA List 
  Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:32 AM
  Subject: [WISPA Members] Free Coverage maps? --- An idea


  What if WISPA were to secure a grant for say $300,000 as part of the stimulus 
package? For that money I would do proper RF mapping as a one shot deal for 
every WISP who wanted to in the next year. I would also build a proper map 
server with a database that indicates which areas are covered by which WISP's 
and web enable the application.

  All the RF studies would go in to the National WISP Map (replacing the 
circles being used now). The map data would be shared with the USDA and any 
other entity charged with giving out loans or money to deploy rural broadband 
in areas that are supposedly not served.

  WISPA would look good as a unifying organization for the industry.

  WISP's would benefit in that they would not have taxpayer funded projects 
come in as competitors. They would also have a free source of leads because 
this tool would be used by the consumer to look for service.

  The consumer would benefit because they would have one place to look for 
service for ALL WISP's.

  The industry would win because we can do proper demographic studies and 
compete against Telco's and Cable Companies in legislative actions.

  This would not mean perpetual free mapping for WISP's, just a one time full 
network map.

  For those WISP's who do not want their network data to be known, you will be 
in a much worse position when competition comes in to your market with free 
money to build from the taxpayer. Right now the cellular/PCS industry is 
grabbing all the money they can claiming they can serve the rural markets with 
high speed internet. While they are free to build out, they should not be 
getting money under the premise that an area has no broadband if indeed they 
do. The only way to stop this is to SHOW the people in the government areas 
have broadband!

  Thoughts?


  Thank You,
  Brian Webster
  www.wirelessmapping.com



--


  ___

  WISPA Membership Mailing List

  ---



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site?

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've 
stated.  Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally 
created a work around.

Who knows...
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "John Valenti" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site?


> Marlon,
>
> I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their
> update.  (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug)   Or is
> there some other problem?
>
> Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now.
>
> And Merry Christmas to you, too!
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>
>> Glad it's not just me!  grin
>>
>> Nothing particular right now.  I was just checking for any new
>> versions.
>>
>> Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem.
>> Not the
>> MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo.
>>
>> And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that
>> doesn't lock
>> up!
>>
>> Merry Christmas all!
>> marlon
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] Who's going??? was -- Fw: Hutton Communications Expo, Denver!

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

I have my tickets and room booked.  Who else is going?

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Hutton Marketing Team 
To: o...@odessaoffice.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: Hutton Communications Expo, Denver!


   
 
   Hutton EXPO 09 Denver!
 
   
  Upcoming Events 
  Hutton EXPO 09 Denver 
   Dear Marlon Schafer,


  Join Hutton Communications at the The Premier Wireless 
Learning Experience, the new Hutton EXPO 09 in Denver, January 20-21. Don't 
miss out on this no cost opportunity to learn and network with today's industry 
leaders. Seating is limited so SIGN UP TODAY!
  Sincerely,
  Hutton Marketing Team
  REGISTER HERE 

   
   
 
 
  Where & When 
  Renaissance Denver  
  3801 Quebec St 
  Denver, CO 80207
  January 20-21
  Day 1
  9:00AM-7:00PM
  Day 2
  9:00AM-2:30PM

  Reservations 

  Call: 888-238-6762 

  Group Rate: $139 until December 27th  so CALL 
today!

  *Make sure to tell them you are with Hutton 
Communications  
   
 
   Hutton EXPO 09 
  Denver, CO  
 
  Hutton EXPO 09  will consist of two days in-depth product 
training and intense technical sessions presented by our Team Hutton suppliers. 
On the first evening there will be an exhibits tradeshow showcasing Hutton 
suppliers' latest and greatest products in wireless technology. Hutton EXPO 09 
is a great opportunity to meet suppliers face-to-face. You will greatly enhance 
your technical product knowledge and get better acquainted with your Hutton 
sales representative. 

  Enjoy the the first evening's networking opportunities with 
beverages and hors d'oeuvres. Breakfast, lunch, and refreshments will be served 
daily.  
   
 
Supplier Training  
   
Training scheduled to be provided by the following suppliers: 
  a.. Airaya 
  b.. Andrew a CommScope Company  
  c.. BridgeWave 
  d.. Cellular Specialties 
  e.. Ceragon Networks 
  f.. Dekolink 
  g.. Dragonwave  
  h.. EION 
  i.. Exalt 
  j.. Inscape Data 
  k.. Mobile Access 
  l.. Motorola Wi4 
  m.. Nera 
  n.. Proxim Wireless 
  o.. Strix Systems 
  p.. Tranzeo
Panels

Questions? Just Curious? Join our leading suppliers in one of these 
sessions for an in-depth panel discussion. 

Antenna Panel 
Cable and Site Panel 
Engineer Rountable 

After all the great presentations, join the Hutton Sales Engineers 
for an open forum of questions and topics customized for you!


Better Hurry! Sign up today! 


REGISTER HERE 


   

 
  Questions about the EXPO?
  Contact the Hutton EXPO 09 Coordinator
  Katie Whitaker
  2520 Marsh Lane
  Carrollton, Texas 75006
  972-417-0151 
  whitak...@huttoncom.com  

 
 

  Forward email
 
This email was sent to o...@odessaoffice.com by n...@huttoncom.com.
Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with 
SafeUnsubscribeT | Privacy Policy. Email Marketing by
  

  Hutton Communications, Inc | 2520 Marsh Lane | Carrollton | TX | 75006 

 



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Calea compliance contractors

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hi Chris,

Butch would be a good place to start.  I've also cc'd the rest of the WISPA 
calea team.  Maybe there are people on there that do things I don't know 
about.

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Orr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:42 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Calea compliance contractors


> Hi all-
>
> I'm just curious if anyone has a contact for someone that is
> a CALEA compliance contractor.
>
> Essentially we are looking for a third party that can verify
> compliance.
>
> Hit me offlist, please.
>
> Regards,
> -chris
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

I disagree.  It might be quite a while before we can use them.  But I think 
that there will be a technological solution if it looks like they will allow 
it.

Heck, they've already said that OOB has to be 55dB BELOW the interference 
level for adjacent channel use.  I forget what that interference level is.

Someday it'll be possible to create a WISP type device that'll only need a 
2KHz guard band in order to protect the TV sets from interference.

The difference in an analyzer trace between 802.11b and g is pretty amazing 
already.
http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Software/Beekeeper/spectrumanalysis.gif
That was b mode.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/atheros-super,review-202-4.html
Those are g mode.

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces


> Directional antennas and other interference-avoidance techniques will
> help but for mass-market use (which is how the vendors visualize the
> TVWS) I suspect that it's going to be a long time before 1st adjacent
> channel use will be practical. Still, gaining access to most of the
> non-1st adjacent channels white space is still a big "win" for the WISP
> industry.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Hopefully forward error correction and directional antennas will make it
>> possible.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
>>
>>
>>
>>> Anything's possible but look at the shape of a DTV waveform and compare
>>> it to the shape of an OFDM broadband wireless signal. Now look at the
>>> space between those two waveforms if they are on adjacent channels. It's
>>> kind of like putting two bricks side by side with no space in between.
>>> Who is going to interfere with who the most? Looks like the DTV signals
>>> will interfere with our AP receivers AND our CPE transmitters will
>>> interfere with nearby television receivers. Of course, I could be
>>> wrong What's your take on it?
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
 Perhaps once TVWS gets used and it proves a success, then they will 
 open
 up
 adjacent channels.
 Once they do that there will be holes everywhere.

 - Original Message - 
 From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces




> Joe,
>
> The White Spaces are the unused television channels. In most major 
> metro
> areas, many of the channels are in use by television broadcasters and
> other licensed users. Outside of major metro areas, there will be 
> unused
> channels available that you can use. In general, the more rural you 
> are,
> the more channels will be available.
>
> jack
>
>
> Joe Laura wrote:
>
>
>> Am I hearing correctly that this new space can only be utilized in
>> rural
>> areas? Not for Citys like New Orleans? TIA
>> Joe Laura
>> Superior Alarm/Wireless
>> New Orleans,La.
>> www.superior1.com
>>   - Original Message - 
>>   From: Blair Davis
>>   To: WISPA General List
>>   Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:47 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
>>
>>
>>   Ubquity?  Some kind of mini-pci card?
>>
>>   Charles Wyble wrote:
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>   Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear
>> from
>> the vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?
>>
>>
>> Indeed!
>>
>> Who would the likely vendors in this space be?
>>
>> Should we put an RFP together and send it around?  I sure want 
>> answers
>> to your questions as well.
>>
>>
>>   Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information
>> yet,
>> but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second 
>> only
>> to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won!
>> Congrats.  It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of 
>> power,
>> while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere
>> else).  Four watts at these frequencies will carry!
>>
>>
>> Yep!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wirele

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

They did state that they plan to take another look at this band in 5 years.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces


> Perhaps once TVWS gets used and it proves a success, then they will open 
> up
> adjacent channels.
> Once they do that there will be holes everywhere.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
>
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> The White Spaces are the unused television channels. In most major metro
>> areas, many of the channels are in use by television broadcasters and
>> other licensed users. Outside of major metro areas, there will be unused
>> channels available that you can use. In general, the more rural you are,
>> the more channels will be available.
>>
>> jack
>>
>>
>> Joe Laura wrote:
>>> Am I hearing correctly that this new space can only be utilized in rural
>>> areas? Not for Citys like New Orleans? TIA
>>> Joe Laura
>>> Superior Alarm/Wireless
>>> New Orleans,La.
>>> www.superior1.com
>>>   - Original Message - 
>>>   From: Blair Davis
>>>   To: WISPA General List
>>>   Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:47 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces
>>>
>>>
>>>   Ubquity?  Some kind of mini-pci card?
>>>
>>>   Charles Wyble wrote:
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>   Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's hear 
>>> from
>>> the vendors.  When, how much, and what will you do with it?
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed!
>>>
>>> Who would the likely vendors in this space be?
>>>
>>> Should we put an RFP together and send it around?  I sure want answers
>>> to your questions as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>   Ladies and gents:  I haven't read all of the published information 
>>> yet,
>>> but this is the second greatest battle we have come across (second only
>>> to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have won!
>>> Congrats.  It appears the portable devices are held to 100 mw of power,
>>> while we have 4 watts (which is pretty much what we have everywhere
>>> else).  Four watts at these frequencies will carry!
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>>   http://signup.wispa.org/
>>>   
>>> 
>>>
>>>   WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>>   Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>>   http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>>   Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>> Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993
>> Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs"
>> WISPs - Do you know where your customers are?
>> For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping
>> FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile
>> 
>> Phone 818-227-4220  Email <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 

[WISPA] DTV transition

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

I do hope all of you are ready for the new DTV channels!  Just got this 
today and thought I'd pass it along.

>
> For Immediate Release
>
> Are you ready for Digital TV? Starting in February, 2009, analog TV 
> signals will no longer be available in many areas. To ensure continued 
> enjoyment of your favorite programs, you'll need to purchase a new digital 
> TV-ready receiver or a set-top converter box.
>
> But that's not all you'll need. Due to their continuously-varying 
> amplitudes, analog-TV signals can roughen and damage the surfaces of older 
> and heavily-used television antenna elements.
>
> Composed of binary ones and zeros, modern state-of-the art digital TV 
> signals can bounce off roughened antenna surfaces, weakening signals and 
> rendering some digital TV signals completely unwatchable.
>
> Instead of replacing that older and expensive outdoor antenna, you can 
> recondition it. After all, you wouldn't throw away your automobile because 
> its finish gets weathered and dull, would you? No...  you'd wash and wax 
> it!
>
> Quintidigital Discount Products, Inc., announces DigiWash (tm) and DigiWax 
> (tm), two products guaranteed to increase your digital TV viewing 
> satisfaction.
>
> Before you connect your new digital TV receiver or converter to an older 
> outdoor antenna, wash the antenna's elements with DigiWash, an ecofriendly 
> and biodegradable cleanser that removes roughened analog-signal residue 
> and bird droppings.
>
> When the elements are dry, simply apply a light coating of DigiWax (tm) to 
> the antenna's elements, buff with a chamois or lamb's-wool mitt, and 
> you're assured of DTV reception that's Every Bit As Good (sm).
>
> Manufactured with lubricants produced by farm-raised pythons and 
> free-range rattlesnakes, DigiWash and DigiWax will be available in 
> high-end consumer-electronics stores and audiophile boutiques on April 
> 1st, 2009.
>
> #--30--#
>
> DigiWash and DigiWax are trademark of Quintidigital Discount Products, 
> Inc.
> Every Bit As Good is a registered service mark of Crotalus Products, Inc.
>
>
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Cool.  Any of them able to work with a small WISP that has a HUGE coverage 
zone?  Much of which is too expensive to get to at this time

Feel free to have a couple call me if they think there is a way to make this 
fly.

I might not like the programs but I'm no fool either :-)
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF


> Nope, but I know plenty of consultants.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
>
>
>> Splitting hairs Chuck.
>>
>> If it's government mandated collections it's a tax.  If it's government
>> mandated expenditure it's a subsidy.  grin
>>
>> I'm not saying it doesn't have it's place.  Heck I'd love to get what
>> Century Tel gets out here!  If I could find a way to do so I'd do what I
>> could to get in front of that revenue stream.
>>
>> Do you consult on such things?
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
>>
>>
>>> Hold your horses there Marlon... the government pays... the government
>>> pays
>>> for USF???
>>> No, it is industry supported.  100% of the revenue comes from
>>> telecommunications companies and is returned to telecommunications
>>> companies.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
>>>
>>>
 Just because the government will pay for it in no way makes it a good
 idea
 :-).

 Chuck is good at working the system as it exists for his industry.  I
 can't
 fault him (too much) for that.  I wish I were in a similar situation.

 My frustration isn't that USF exists as much as it is that USF is being
 used
 to give my competitor a government backed competitive advantage.  A 
 huge
 one
 at that.
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: "Blake Bowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF


> Chucks business knowledge has proven to be right on so far,
> I suspect you don't have a clue about the situation and therefore
> posted mindless babble
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
>
>
>> If you are running a hundred miles of fiber for 30 people you are not
>> right in the head...
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>> It is a cost recovery mechanism.  I got audited by USAC this year to
>> prove
>> that the USF we receive is to cover the costs of providing the
>> service.
>> But
>> think how expensive it is to run a hundred miles of fiber and put in 
>> a
>> class
>> 5 switch to serve 30 or 50 customers.
>>
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/



 
 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
 http://signup.wispa.org/
 

 WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

 Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
 http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

 Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> ht

Re: [WISPA] OT: For the phone guys.

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Check with your state PUC.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:15 AM
Subject: [WISPA] OT: For the phone guys.


> We started out as a dial-up ISP and still have some dial-up customers. My 
> question: is it right for a telco to charge termination fees on truck side 
> channelized T1's? These are not PRI's. I have saw termination fees on data 
> lines, but not on channelized. This one telco in particular charges me 
> $212/mth just for termination fees. The telco in the next county over does 
> not charge me this, nor do a couple of other telcos that I priced with 
> that are surrounding this one telco. I have complained but it has not done 
> any good. Just want to know if I am getting screwed or not, lol.
>
> Scottie
>
> Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth.
> Check out www.info-ed.com for information.
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

H, sounds like a good project for a wispa committee to work on.  Care to 
head up that effort?

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave


> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>
>> One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no standard first IP 
>> address
>> for units.  Tranzeo uses 192.168.1.100, Deliberant is using 192.168.2.66,
>> Teletronics is 192.168.0.240, SmartBridges used 192.168.0.24 or .22, and 
>> the
>> list goes on and on.  They also all use different out of the box 
>> passwords.
>> It would sure make MY life easier if these two main items were 
>> standardized!
>
> I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very
> least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way.
>
> Trango gear doesn't use the "standard" MIBs for interface traffic, for
> instance (at least my older gear doesn't), so I can't easily graph
> throughput like I can with everything else in my network. Ligowave
> doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB,
> instead asking you to use their proprietary software. Mikrotik makes
> some things tricky without their proprietary software, but at least it
> (The Dude) is free, and fairly handy for other things as well. Everyone
> that does bridged interfaces, there are quirks with bridge traffic
> counters (but I think that's a quirk in the underlying OS, since almost
> everyone just builds their stuff atop Linux and I've seen it do the same
> things). There's no unified way of monitoring, say, number of
> associations to an AP in a PtMP setup, or "average" SNR.
>
> If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to
> adopt a unified wireless MIB structure.
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

So far the unit has been connected for 16 hours.  The Tranzeos have made it 
for a whole 19 hours!  We'll see if the Deliberant makes it past the point 
that the Tranzeo's all drop off.

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Caleb Knauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: "Deliberant Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave


> Hey Marlon,
>
> I wanted to reply to this to you and on the lists to answer your
> questions and make some things clearer, as there are some points of
> confusion that can definitely be cleared up (now and going forward) on
> our part.
>
> Deliberant and Ligowave are sister companies.  Originally our new CPE
> offerings were going to be launched on the Ligowave side of the house,
> but we decided to move all of the standards (802.11) stuff to Deliberant
> and focus Ligowave on the proprietary (PTP, PTMP, Mesh) solutions.  The
> first round of gear shipped with the Ligowave FCC stickers as the
> updated Deliberant ones were not available yet, hence the different
> stickers.  Everything now has Deliberant stickers on them.
>
> VPOL is with the cat5 connector pointing down, you are correct.  HPOL is
> with the cat5 connector to the side (rotated 90*).  Confusing, yes, and
> the stickers should be here soon.
>
> We do need to add the instructions for the cat5 connector and the
> support number to the quick start guide.  The first one is always the
> trickiest!
>
> The support number is the main number at 800-742-9865, and it is open
> 9-5 Eastern.  My direct extension is in my signature.
>
> We are completely overhauling the GUI with a Flex backend that is much
> faster.  We have a beta available, so contact me offlist if you are
> interested.
>
> RSSI value listed on the Status page is basically the difference between
> received signal and the noise floor.  So if you have an RSSI value of
> 40, there is 40dB between the noise floor and what you are receiving.
> We have plans to add the actual received level (in dB) to the Status
> page soon, and until then if you do a Site Survey on the Tools page you
> can see the levels there as well.
>
> Bridge mode should work, but I have some ideas.  Shoot me your IP info
> offlist (radio, gateway, rest of the local network segment, etc) and we
> can troubleshoot.
>
> When you enable Router mode, a Firewall tab should appear that will
> allow you to port forward.
>
> Any other questions, please feel free to ping me offlist or give me a
> ring at my number and extension in my signature.  We appreciate the
> feedback and look forward to your (and everyone else's) assistance in
> improving our products.
>
> Thanks,
> Caleb
>
> ===
> Caleb Knauer
> Deliberant LLC
>
> 800.742.9865 x 206
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.deliberant.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just installed my first radio from these guys.  (Anyone know if it's
> the
> same company)  I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still
> at
> the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get.
>
> First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that
> said
> LigoWave.  Probably the same company but it would be nice if the
> stickers
> matched.
>
> Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it.  My guess of vertical being
> all
> stickers and connectors down seems to be correct.
>
> Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together.  I've done
> them
> before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first
> time
> I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right.
>
> No tech support phone number in the manual.  If it's there I couldn't
> find
> it.
>
> The interface is slow.  Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy.
>
> I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home
> office.  Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the
> disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections.  Speeds are good,
> pings are good etc.  But stuff just don't work.  A Ubiquity at this
> location
> worked just fine till it decided it wasn't going to listen to the AP
> anymore
> (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo CPE unit had -65ish).
>
> This unit has a 40rssi.  Whatever THAT means.  I sure hate those random
> signal level meters.  Give me the dB so that I can do a better job of
> troubleshooting.
>
> Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge mode.  It would connect
> but I
> couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to go.  Web pages 

Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Cool.  I've seen this happen over and over.  Anyone remember how great 
Teletronics was back in the early days?

Then there was SmartBridges, no Tranzeo.

We're about due for a new company that's more focused on keeping us running 
well.  (speaking of the Tranzeo/MT issues.)

Stirring the pot,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave


> Marlon,
>
> I have not used the units shipping from Deliberent yet, just the ones
> previously shipped from the Ligowave side, so not sure what firmware 
> changes
> yours has.
> It is clear that Deliberent/Ligowave is making a transition on how they 
> are
> aligning their product lines.
>
> But one thing I can tell you for sure is, Ligowave/Deliberent has an
> EXCELLENT support team.  If something is not working as it should, they 
> are
> usually willing to look at your config file, if you Email it to them, to
> either identify any errors with config, whether it was a code bug or
> misconfig. And if a code bug, they usually have it fixed ASAP.
> I can also tell you their hardware has been rock solid, down to the 
> pigtail,
> for us.
>
> As for the slow software problem yes, its a big problem. Not so much 
> for
> configuring, but when your customers are down and troubleshooting under
> fire.. :-(
> It would have been the death of the product, if it wasn't addressed. But
> from what I hear the new Flex backend under Beta is the answer.
> Unfortunately, still software in development. But I'm eager to see what 
> they
> come up with.  There are so many upsides to this company.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
>
>
>> Hey Marlon,
>>
>> Is it safe to say that you have some issues with this unit???
>>
>> :-P
>>
>> Hope all is well
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I just installed my first radio from these guys.  (Anyone know if it's
>>> the
>>> same company)  I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still 
>>> at
>>> the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get.
>>>
>>> First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that
>>> said
>>> LigoWave.  Probably the same company but it would be nice if the 
>>> stickers
>>> matched.
>>>
>>> Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it.  My guess of vertical being
>>> all
>>> stickers and connectors down seems to be correct.
>>>
>>> Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together.  I've done
>>> them
>>> before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first
>>> time
>>> I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right.
>>>
>>> No tech support phone number in the manual.  If it's there I couldn't
>>> find
>>> it.
>>>
>>> The interface is slow.  Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy.
>>>
>>> I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home
>>> office.  Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the
>>> disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections.  Speeds are good,
>>> pings are good etc.  But stuff just don't work.  A Ubiquity at this
>>> location
>>> worked just fine till it decided it wasn't going to listen to the AP
>>> anymore
>>> (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo CPE unit had -65ish).
>>>
>>> This unit has a 40rssi.  Whatever THAT means.  I sure hate those random
>>> signal level meters.  Give me the dB so that I can do a better job of
>>> troubleshooting.
>>>
>>> Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge mode.  It would connect
>>> but I
>>> couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to go.  Web pages would start 
>>> but
>>> not load.  In router mode it works fine.
>>>
>>> Router mode has no port forwarding options.  Not an issue this time, but
>>> without a working bridge mode I'll have to be careful where they get
>>> used.
>>>
>>> The hardware was easy to set up.  No instructions offered, but none
>>> needed
>>> (other than the polarity sticker that needs to be there).
>>>
>>> Speeds are good.  Seeing 7 to 9 megs down and up.  Just like the 
>>> original
>>> Tranzeo CPQ radio gives.
>>>
>>> Now to see if it'll stay connected and give stable service to the
>>> customer.
>>>
>>> laters,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WIS