Re: [WISPA] ClearWire
Smart ass - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/30/2010 12:03 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: Craig McCaw Craig McCaw Headquarters 2300 CARILLON POINT Kirkland Washington 98033 Telephone: (425) 216-7600 Toll Free: 800-305-5873 Fax: (425) 216-7900 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ClearWire Does anyone have a non consumer-facing contact at ClearWire? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ClearWire
??? I know it was an old database #, so I tried it and got thru, I'm sure the ext tree is not past you. mcc -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ClearWire Smart ass - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/30/2010 12:03 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: Craig McCaw Craig McCaw Headquarters 2300 CARILLON POINT Kirkland Washington 98033 Telephone: (425) 216-7600 Toll Free: 800-305-5873 Fax: (425) 216-7900 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ClearWire Does anyone have a non consumer-facing contact at ClearWire? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ClearWire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_McCaw Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Chuck Profito wrote: ??? I know it was an old database #, so I tried it and got thru, I'm sure the ext tree is not past you. mcc -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ClearWire Smart ass - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/30/2010 12:03 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: Craig McCaw Craig McCaw Headquarters 2300 CARILLON POINT Kirkland Washington 98033 Telephone: (425) 216-7600 Toll Free: 800-305-5873 Fax: (425) 216-7900 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ClearWire Does anyone have a non consumer-facing contact at ClearWire? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ClearWire
Does anyone have a non consumer-facing contact at ClearWire? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ClearWire
Craig McCaw Craig McCaw Headquarters 2300 CARILLON POINT Kirkland Washington 98033 Telephone: (425) 216-7600 Toll Free: 800-305-5873 Fax: (425) 216-7900 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ClearWire Does anyone have a non consumer-facing contact at ClearWire? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Clearwire Uses Gov't Grants for Rural WiMAX
Clearwire Uses Gov't Grants for Rural WiMAX http://telecompetitor.com/node/1221 29 Apr, 2009 The city of Milledgeville, Georgia http://www.google.com/url?sa=tsource=webct=rescd=1url=http%3A%2F%2F maps.google.com%2Fmaps%3Foe%3Dutf-8%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aoffici al%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26q%3DMilledgeville%26um%3D1%26ie%3DUTF-8%26spli t%3D0%26gl%3Dus%26ei%3DQWP4SeCdItPJtgfC4Z3tDw%26sa%3DX%26oi%3Dgeocode_re sult%26ct%3Dtitle%26resnum%3D1ei=QWP4SeCdItPJtgfC4Z3tDwusg=AFQjCNFnvgS BPldPji_X7Co7Rajd1tcUKwsig2=8I4dErW8NBLjy8sswh7z-Q may be a revealing case study of how broadband stimulus http://telecompetitor.com/taxonomy/term/630 grants may impact rural WiMAX, and may also hint at Clearwire's potential broadband stimulus grant strategy. Milledgeville is a city of approximately 12,000 (not counting college students) and is located about 50 miles northeast of Macon, Georgia. Clearwire http://www.clearwire.com is taking advantage of an $862,000 state grant to deploy their WiMAX service in Milledgeville, with a projected launch date of October 2009. Milledgeville city planner Russell Thompson tells macon.com http://www.macon.com/198/story/698547.html that Basically, [Clearwire] wouldn't be doing business in Milledgeville unless there were incentives because the population is just not that large. Read More ... http://telecompetitor.com/node/1221 Considering that the sheer number of cities and towns across the U.S. that resemble Milledgeville numbers in the thousands and the pending billions of stimulus grant funds that are soon to be available, one could certainly draw a bullish conclusion about the prospects of rural WiMAX. Of course wireline telco and cable operators will argue that only FTTH and HFC networks make sense for a prudent long term broadband strategy. But if recent events, including the partnership of NRTC and DigitalBridge Communications http://telecompetitor.com/node/1220 , and historical funding of broadband wireless projects by the Rural Utilities Service http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/index.htm are any indication, WiMAX may indeed have a significant rural presence when it's all said and done. Will Clearwire play a bigger role in this potential scenario? They've been somewhat quiet about their broadband stimulus intentions and they're quite busy executing their metro market strategy. But they heavily reference the Milledgeville case in their public comments for the broadband stimulus program http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/comments/7321.pdf , stating the Milledgeville project shows that communities that are plagued by low-income, high unemployment and geographic isolation are likely to reap significant benefits when access to next generation mobile broadband is coupled with a plan to enhance public safety, education and job training/creation opportunities. Almost music to regulator's ears. Since Milledgeville currently has broadband from dual providers, namely Charter and Windstream, Clearwire is also inserting it into the 'unserved/underserved' debate http://telecompetitor.com/node/1104 . Wireless providers argue that the absence of broadband wireless should qualify projects for broadband grant funding, regardless of what wireline broadband options are available. Fixed and mobile broadband are two separate services serving different constituents targeted by the grant programs. Because mobile wireless broadband offers important capabilities that fixed services lack - such as the ability to provide Milledgeville's police officers with real time access to crime databases while on patrol and the ability for university students to access educational resources wherever they are - NTIA should separately assess whether an area or population is 'unserved' or 'underserved' with regard to the availability of both fixed wireline/wireless and mobile wireless. Similarly, RUS should consider an area without mobile broadband access as lacking sufficient 'high speed broadband service to facilitate rural economic development,' says Clearwire in their comments. After reviewing this, you get a sense of the gravity of what's at stake. Should the broadband stimulus rules favor Clearwire's position, it may well create a firestorm of activity with WiMAX and other wireless technologies. The extent of Clearwire's involvement in that potential firestorm remains to be seen. Regardless, they'll be plenty of others looking to replicate what's going on in Milledgeville. What do you think? Share your view by using the comments tool below. tag : 4G http://telecompetitor.com/taxonomy/term/83 broadband stimulus http://telecompetitor.com/taxonomy/term/630 Clearwire http://telecompetitor.com/taxonomy/term/116 rural http://telecompetitor.com/taxonomy/term/155 WiMAX http://telecompetitor.com/taxonomy/term/81 Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Maybe it uses GPS sync? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Travis, One of the limits with 3650 WiMax is that we have our three channels of 15mbps each. What is the deal with Clearwire 2.5G spectrum? How wide are their channels? Do they also jsut have 25mhz of spectrum per cell, limited to (7 Mhz) 15-18mbps sectors max? At the conference today (State of Mobility), there was a lot of support suggesting LTE becoming the dominant standard world wide for carriers. Anyone know how much channel width the carriers have in the US for LTE? Is taht what Verizon is going to use for 700Mhz? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs When there are 3 or 4 other wireless providers, cable, and two DSL providers, as well as 5 fiber-optic providers, the numbers don't add up. They are using Alvarion 2.5ghz licensed, and they are still having to roll a truck and do an outdoor install on a large percentage of their customers. I heard CPE was $400 each and they are doing free installs right now. And their network is awful... I have one of their modems for testing, and the latency is between 60-100ms and speeds are all over the place from minute to minute. It's funny, because I just got a call today from a current BridgeMaxx customer that is ready to pull her hair out. They are trying to run a small business (5 computers) and most of the time they can't connect at all. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network. The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those 50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised
[WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
I predict Clearwire will implode before the end of the year. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a "take the investors money and run" mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say "it works" and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Government investment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
This is just another case where if it isn't your blood that's flowing out to purchase equipment it isn't well spent. The problem, these situations make our industry look like we are limited on size and feasibility. I applaud those of you who are large and able to do it right. As a small WISP the idea of investors scare me. I have a boss to be accountable too. But to have 10 or 20 bosses who's goal is big ROI, you can keep it. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.commailto:do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.netmailto:d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
All of us small WISPs have a customer base that really appreciates that, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: This is just another case where if it isn't your blood that's flowing out to purchase equipment it isn't well spent. The problem, these situations make our industry look like we are limited on size and feasibility. I applaud those of you who are large and able to do it right. As a small WISP the idea of investors scare me. I have a boss to be accountable too. But to have 10 or 20 bosses who's goal is big ROI, you can keep it. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.commailto: do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.netmailto: d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Well, most of the customer base... there are always a few ryan Josh Luthman wrote: All of us small WISPs have a customer base that really appreciates that, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: This is just another case where if it isn't your blood that's flowing out to purchase equipment it isn't well spent. The problem, these situations make our industry look like we are limited on size and feasibility. I applaud those of you who are large and able to do it right. As a small WISP the idea of investors scare me. I have a boss to be accountable too. But to have 10 or 20 bosses who's goal is big ROI, you can keep it. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.commailto: do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.netmailto: d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Scott Carullo wrote: Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission You have an interesting definition of good news. Anyone who sees this story (and I found it on consumerist.com, not an industry source) will just see wireless = unreliable and bad. Obviously there are about a thousand technical distinctions between their service and most of ours (different gear, different spectrum, and of course everyone on this list does their own thing in a different way), but all that will be glossed over, if it's mentioned at all, by any mainstream press outlets that report on this. One big wireless provider may have shot the rest of us in the feet, and I forgot to wear the steel-toed boots today. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
I disagree with your assessment but to each his own... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Scott Carullo wrote: Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission You have an interesting definition of good news. Anyone who sees this story (and I found it on consumerist.com, not an industry source) will just see wireless = unreliable and bad. Obviously there are about a thousand technical distinctions between their service and most of ours (different gear, different spectrum, and of course everyone on this list does their own thing in a different way), but all that will be glossed over, if it's mentioned at all, by any mainstream press outlets that report on this. One big wireless provider may have shot the rest of us in the feet, and I forgot to wear the steel-toed boots today. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
to explain... Would you rather have clearwire move into your service area with a million dollars for advertising and $35 service or would you rather have them in the news as a shoddy company... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs I disagree with your assessment but to each his own... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Scott Carullo wrote: Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission You have an interesting definition of good news. Anyone who sees this story (and I found it on consumerist.com, not an industry source) will just see wireless = unreliable and bad. Obviously there are about a thousand technical distinctions between their service and most of ours (different gear, different spectrum, and of course everyone on this list does their own thing in a different way), but all that will be glossed over, if it's mentioned at all, by any mainstream press outlets that report on this. One big wireless provider may have shot the rest of us in the feet, and I forgot to wear the steel-toed boots today. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
I don't think this hurts anyone. Nobody hardly knows about this and there is lots of lawsuites. One of my customers has been sued twice now because she owns an elder care facility that caters to alzhiemers and dimensia folks who's family can no longer care for them. Both suites are My Mother died in your facility because you didn't care for her with attendent on a 24/7 basis. Reality, the family can't care for them either and there is no one on one 24 hour day a week facility. And they were at deaths door which is why they are there, but just the same a lawyer has the people suing for the loss of a loved one, because maybe if they posted a nurse 24/7 at your moms side she would not have died as quick. Stupid frivilous lawsuites. Getting back to Clearwire. I have met several people who have it and like it. It's on par with cheap dsl and works well for some. So, they are making hay. I don't think they are a scam, just a very sophisticated game plan, they got sprint on their side. maybe soon it will sprint wire or clear sprint. Who knows, but I would hate for people to have false sense of security. I think they will be around a long time. Scott Carullo wrote: I disagree with your assessment but to each his own... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Scott Carullo wrote: Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission You have an interesting definition of good news. Anyone who sees this story (and I found it on consumerist.com, not an industry source) will just see wireless = unreliable and bad. Obviously there are about a thousand technical distinctions between their service and most of ours (different gear, different spectrum, and of course everyone on this list does their own thing in a different way), but all that will be glossed over, if it's mentioned at all, by any mainstream press outlets that report on this. One big wireless provider may have shot the rest of us in the feet, and I forgot to wear the steel-toed boots today. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Nope... all private money. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Government investment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a "take the investors money and run" mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say "it works" and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Not according to them. I spoke on a panel at a mobility conference in DC today with Clearwire. From what I understand, they are planning to replace all pre-wimax gear in 49 markets, with 802.16e mobile gear. I asked, will they expand to new markets first, or convert their network? and the answer was... convert our network. They need to be ALL MOBILE, it is the direction they are going. Maybe the fixed business was not as gravy as they thought? But I can tell you, they aren;t going away. I made a big case for small WISPs that engineer each install, focusing on QOS. That that market was also a market that wasn't going away. I guess this lawsuit proves my point. However, there was one testimoial from a Clearwire user stating Clearwire was everything they said it was, but more. Only thing we regret is that they only deployed in the city next door, and never made it to our city. What do we need to do to get them to come. I told them, don't wait, call your local WISP, there are lots of providers that can do it. . Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs I predict Clearwire will implode before the end of the year. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network. The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those 50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
When there are 3 or 4 other wireless providers, cable, and two DSL providers, as well as 5 fiber-optic providers, the numbers don't add up. They are using Alvarion 2.5ghz licensed, and they are still having to roll a truck and do an outdoor install on a large percentage of their customers. I heard CPE was $400 each and they are doing free installs right now. And their network is awful... I have one of their modems for testing, and the latency is between 60-100ms and speeds are all over the place from minute to minute. It's funny, because I just got a call today from a current BridgeMaxx customer that is ready to pull her hair out. They are trying to run a small business (5 computers) and most of the time they can't connect at all. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network. The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those 50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Travis, One of the limits with 3650 WiMax is that we have our three channels of 15mbps each. What is the deal with Clearwire 2.5G spectrum? How wide are their channels? Do they also jsut have 25mhz of spectrum per cell, limited to (7 Mhz) 15-18mbps sectors max? At the conference today (State of Mobility), there was a lot of support suggesting LTE becoming the dominant standard world wide for carriers. Anyone know how much channel width the carriers have in the US for LTE? Is taht what Verizon is going to use for 700Mhz? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs When there are 3 or 4 other wireless providers, cable, and two DSL providers, as well as 5 fiber-optic providers, the numbers don't add up. They are using Alvarion 2.5ghz licensed, and they are still having to roll a truck and do an outdoor install on a large percentage of their customers. I heard CPE was $400 each and they are doing free installs right now. And their network is awful... I have one of their modems for testing, and the latency is between 60-100ms and speeds are all over the place from minute to minute. It's funny, because I just got a call today from a current BridgeMaxx customer that is ready to pull her hair out. They are trying to run a small business (5 computers) and most of the time they can't connect at all. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network. The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those 50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised their service as an always-on service, comparable to DSL or cable modem; consumers say the service is hit-or-miss, often was comparable to dial-up, and that since Clearwire didn't hold up their end of the deal, subscribers shouldn't have to pay early termination fees. David Smith MVN.net
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire and Sprint are talking Wimax again
Agreed. And not necessarilly any guarantees that Clearwire will survive either, with their huge spend and burn rates, and huge amount of capitol they need to secure to stay in the game long term. The truth is... carrier cell phone broadband (EVDO) is tough competition for WiMax mobile broadband. Is the Carrier WiMax business case even real? Will they get the funding? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire and Sprint are talking Wimax again *The Journal* said Sprint and Clearwire are in serious talks on a more ambitious plan that would involve spinning off Sprint's WiMax unit and merging it with Clearwire. But it noted there was no guarantee the joint venture would materialize, or that external funding could be secured. This sounds to me more like Sprint is trying to get away from WiMax .. On Jan 29, 2008 6:39 PM, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I guess their stock is worth more, when they are talking about it. -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC Sweeping Design LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Clearwire and Sprint are talking Wimax again
http://tinyurl.com/ynnec2 Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire and Sprint are talking Wimax again
Yeah, I guess their stock is worth more, when they are talking about it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] Clearwire and Sprint are talking Wimax again http://tinyurl.com/ynnec2 Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire and Sprint are talking Wimax again
*The Journal* said Sprint and Clearwire are in serious talks on a more ambitious plan that would involve spinning off Sprint's WiMax unit and merging it with Clearwire. But it noted there was no guarantee the joint venture would materialize, or that external funding could be secured. This sounds to me more like Sprint is trying to get away from WiMax .. On Jan 29, 2008 6:39 PM, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I guess their stock is worth more, when they are talking about it. -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC Sweeping Design LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Clearwire inks wireless pact with DirecTV, EchoStar
Clearwire Corp. said on Thursday it has signed deals to provide wireless high-speed Internet access to customers of satellite TV providers DirecTV Group Inc. and EchoStar Communications Corp., sending shares up as much as 24 percent. The company, founded by wireless pioneer Craig McCaw, said the deals allow the two largest U.S. satellite TV companies to offer high-speed Internet, video and voice in all markets that Clearwire offers its service. DirecTV and EchoStar will offer Clearwire's high-speed Internet service to their customers while Clearwire in turn will be able to offer the video services of one or both satellite companies to its customers. The launch is planned for later this year, the high-speed wireless service provider said. DirecTV and EchoStar Satellite TV providers have been facing competitive pressure from cable operators in the last two years as the cable companies have won customers with attractively-priced packages of video, phone and high speed Internet access. Both DirecTV and EchoStar have separately said they would explore all options available to them including Wi-Max technology such as Clearwire, broadband access over power lines and broadband over satellite. Last year both companies signed a distribution deal with WildBlue, a satellite broadband provider, partly owned by Liberty Media Holding Corp.. Liberty Media is expected to close a deal to take a controlling stake in DirecTV by the end of the year. DirecTV said last month it would look at broadband access over power lines. Liberty also has a stake in Current Group, a provider of such services. The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday that DirecTV and EchoStar are considering a bid to buy Intelsat, the world's largest commercial satellite provider. This could also provide extra capacity to provide more advanced digital TV and Internet access services. Clearwire shares rose 20 percent, or $3.98, to $23.85 in Thursday's midday trading, after touching its highest level since March. Shares in DirecTV rose by 2.2 percent to $23.27 while shares in EchoStar were up by 1 percent to $45.39 in early trade. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070614/wr_nm/clearwire_agreement_dc_2 [FYI... Liberty Media owns majority interest in DirecTV and WildBlue] Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Clearwire
I find it funny that CITI has been marking all these tech companies as sell before burned, yet their clients were involved in the IPO's. http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2007/03/12/clearwire-burns-cash-churns-investors.aspx March 12, 2007 Mobile mogul Craig McCaw's latest venture, wireless Internet service provider *Clearwire* (Nasdaq: CLWR http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=CLWR), raked in $600 million last week in its IPO. It sounds like a lot of dough, but Clearwire's shaky business model, fierce rivals, and expensive operations will likely require even more cash over the next few years. Clearwire is the second-largest holder of the 2.5 GHz licensed spectrum, which reaches roughly 214 million people in the United States. The spectrum allows for data transfer speeds equivalent to wireline broadband, with far less potential interference than Wi-Fi or other wireless approaches. The success of Clearwire's network depends upon the adoption of WiMAX technologies. If computer and mobile device manufacturers agree to use the WiMAX standard, the value of Clearwire's network should increase. The company has attracted $1.1 billion in strategic investments from *Intel*, *Motorola*, and Bell Canada. That all sounds promising, but Clearwire's strategy is hardly unique. *Sprint Nextel* is deploying its own WiMAX network, while *Verizon* and other wireless providers employ competing technologies. Clearwire's enormous investment requirements pose an additional problem. The company shelled out $300 million for 2.5 GHz spectrum rights from *ATT*, and it will likely need to buy more spectrum. It also faces significant expenses in sales and marketing, customer service, equipment purchases, maintenance and RD. To finance these efforts, Clearwire has issued two secured notes, a term loan and a corporate loan, for a total of $755.6 million. Assuming no recapitalizations, the company will pay $84.3 million and $1.3 million in interest and principal, respectively, in 2007. What business model does Clearwire offer to justify these expenses? The company sells one- or two-year contracts, including activation fees, monthly charges, and ancillary services like VOIP and Web hosting. For 2006, the company increased its revenue by $66.7 million to a total of $100.2 million, but on the bottom line, it sustained a $284.2 million loss. According to its prospectus, Clearwire expects its losses to continue for some time. It predicts a whopping $800 million in cash needs for 2007 -- and that doesn't even include spectrum costs. Even if Clearwire doubles revenues in 2007, the company will quickly devour its IPO proceeds, and it'll probably need to go back to investors for more. That's a scary prospect for investors, so it's not surprising that the stock is already volatile, with a 10% drop on Friday and another 8% drop in Monday trading. For Foolish investors, it's probably a good bet to stay clear of Clearwire. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire
I would think that if I owned a stock, a speculative non profitable stock such as CLWR, that the analysts said had 5 years before it ran out of gas, I'd keep that stock. Probably buy more. So says others. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ao?s=CLWR Peter R. wrote: I find it funny that CITI has been marking all these tech companies as sell before burned, yet their clients were involved in the IPO's. http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2007/03/12/clearwire-burns-cash-churns-investors.aspx March 12, 2007 Mobile mogul Craig McCaw's latest venture, wireless Internet service provider *Clearwire* (Nasdaq: CLWR http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=CLWR), raked in $600 million last week in its IPO. It sounds like a lot of dough, but Clearwire's shaky business model, fierce rivals, and expensive operations will likely require even more cash over the next few years. Clearwire is the second-largest holder of the 2.5 GHz licensed spectrum, which reaches roughly 214 million people in the United States. The spectrum allows for data transfer speeds equivalent to wireline broadband, with far less potential interference than Wi-Fi or other wireless approaches. The success of Clearwire's network depends upon the adoption of WiMAX technologies. If computer and mobile device manufacturers agree to use the WiMAX standard, the value of Clearwire's network should increase. The company has attracted $1.1 billion in strategic investments from *Intel*, *Motorola*, and Bell Canada. That all sounds promising, but Clearwire's strategy is hardly unique. *Sprint Nextel* is deploying its own WiMAX network, while *Verizon* and other wireless providers employ competing technologies. Clearwire's enormous investment requirements pose an additional problem. The company shelled out $300 million for 2.5 GHz spectrum rights from *ATT*, and it will likely need to buy more spectrum. It also faces significant expenses in sales and marketing, customer service, equipment purchases, maintenance and RD. To finance these efforts, Clearwire has issued two secured notes, a term loan and a corporate loan, for a total of $755.6 million. Assuming no recapitalizations, the company will pay $84.3 million and $1.3 million in interest and principal, respectively, in 2007. What business model does Clearwire offer to justify these expenses? The company sells one- or two-year contracts, including activation fees, monthly charges, and ancillary services like VOIP and Web hosting. For 2006, the company increased its revenue by $66.7 million to a total of $100.2 million, but on the bottom line, it sustained a $284.2 million loss. According to its prospectus, Clearwire expects its losses to continue for some time. It predicts a whopping $800 million in cash needs for 2007 -- and that doesn't even include spectrum costs. Even if Clearwire doubles revenues in 2007, the company will quickly devour its IPO proceeds, and it'll probably need to go back to investors for more. That's a scary prospect for investors, so it's not surprising that the stock is already volatile, with a 10% drop on Friday and another 8% drop in Monday trading. For Foolish investors, it's probably a good bet to stay clear of Clearwire. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I think their stock has move as expected. I bought in at $20.68 and am quite happy with my position. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Matt Liotta wrote: It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I think their stock has move as expected. I bought in at $20.68 and am quite happy with my position. -Matt Issuing the extra 4 million shares actually diluted the value of the stock. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock value. All that said I think $20 - $24 a share is ridiculous for CLWR. I expect CLWR will bump back up maybe even beyond the IPO price once the market bounces back. The smart money will jump ship saving their skin and the stock will turn downward from that point on. Clearwire has lost more than $460 million during its four-year existence. The company generates about $100 million in annual sales... Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? Long term I only see a decline in value unless they start producing profits real quick! CLWR isn't making any money and doesn't have a bright future of EVER making any money. Hope I'm wrong because a CLWR failure is a failure for fixed wireless as a whole. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:37 AM To: Matt Liotta Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Matt Liotta wrote: It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I think their stock has move as expected. I bought in at $20.68 and am quite happy with my position. -Matt Issuing the extra 4 million shares actually diluted the value of the stock. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Brad Belton wrote: Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? I think you are asking the wrong question. The real question is how long the incumbents will let Clearwire take their market share, which has already passed 10% in half of their markets. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Who says they ever have to make money, for their stock to hold or increase its value? And who says a profit needs to be made for a company to survive long term, when they are kept alive by the stock market? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock value. All that said I think $20 - $24 a share is ridiculous for CLWR. I expect CLWR will bump back up maybe even beyond the IPO price once the market bounces back. The smart money will jump ship saving their skin and the stock will turn downward from that point on. Clearwire has lost more than $460 million during its four-year existence. The company generates about $100 million in annual sales... Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? Long term I only see a decline in value unless they start producing profits real quick! CLWR isn't making any money and doesn't have a bright future of EVER making any money. Hope I'm wrong because a CLWR failure is a failure for fixed wireless as a whole. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:37 AM To: Matt Liotta Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Matt Liotta wrote: It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I think their stock has move as expected. I bought in at $20.68 and am quite happy with my position. -Matt Issuing the extra 4 million shares actually diluted the value of the stock. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:55:31 -0500, Brad Belton wrote Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock value. All that said I think $20 - $24 a share is ridiculous for CLWR. I expect CLWR will bump back up maybe even beyond the IPO price once the market bounces back. The smart money will jump ship saving their skin and the stock will turn downward from that point on. Clearwire has lost more than $460 million during its four-year existence. The company generates about $100 million in annual sales... Ok, Clearwire expects to continue to build out. They expect to spend 1.1 billion, and market hacks expect them to triple the customer base over the next year or so. So, even next year, they're going to spend between 3 and 4 times their gross revenue. AND, they have 664 million debt, too. If they stopped building out and concentrated on sales, I don't know, and nobody seems to know, how much the'll be spending. In other words, nobody seems to know how much of this spending is fixed cost and how much is expansion. Their own claim, is that expenses are near 300 million annual. However, they're apparently not concentrating on market growth, as annual sales only went from 67 to 100 million for all of '06. I read elsewhere that almost all of that growth is due to equipment sales, not customer sales. Then the next article contradicts that. http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/070308/29050_id.html?.v=2 http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2007/03/12/clearwire-burns-cash-churns- investors.aspx?source=eptyholnk303100logvisit=ynpu=y http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/clearwire-shares-pummeled-path- profit/story.aspx?guid=%7BBFAAD8AC%2D3B2E%2D48D4%2DA100%2DDCEC9ACDCAE4% 7Dsiteid=yhoodist=yhoo Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? Long term I only see a decline in value unless they start producing profits real quick! CLWR isn't making any money and doesn't have a bright future of EVER making any money. Hope I'm wrong because a CLWR failure is a failure for fixed wireless as a whole. Actually, it appears they could make money. But the question is, will they stay for ever in the build out mode and spend themselves totally out of money, without marketing to and finding enough customers to pay the bills? I had a potential investor, who was the opposite mind of the CLWR management, who insisted that I not expand to any of my yet not deployed but originally planned sites until I had completely maxed out capacity on everything now in place. Oddly enough, the more sites I have in strategic locations, the greater success I have at potential customer's sites. Then again, I'm not just putting up every location I can find. I figure I can't expect to get more than 3% market penetration in the areas where DSL and/or cable exist, and probably less, and not more than 30% where I'm the lone provider. With a target size of 600-1100 customers in the next 3 years, this means I have to either target 4000 residences with nothing else available, or 40,000 where there's competition. There's more than 4000 homes in the area I'm willing to expand to. The trick is that many of them are isolated areas of a 1, 5, 30 square miles, and we have to continue to do inexpensive expansions to hit those areas. I have a good 1/2 of those covered now, and we're going to add the next 1/4 this spring. If I have 1000 customers, I'll have about $40K a month rolling in, with fixed expenses (not including wages and labor) of about 10%. So, does Clearwire's model sound better than mine, when it comes to likelyhood of survival? Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Market forces dictate that Tom. Sure there are lots of companies that don't make a profit and have some relatively high stock prices. But the market forces are that if a company is not a viable eventual profit maker, then people sell those shares and the price goes down. If the price goes down the next time the company goes to sell shares to raise capital or wants to use its stock as collateral it's pickings are pretty slim. Most of the equity a major shareholder has, is in stock, if the price goes down the major shareholder takes a hit. So the short story is, a company can not expect to survive based on stock price alone, they have to perform , either turn a profit, or lower losses and get closer to an eventual profit. Tom DeReggi wrote: Who says they ever have to make money, for their stock to hold or increase its value? And who says a profit needs to be made for a company to survive long term, when they are kept alive by the stock market? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock value. All that said I think $20 - $24 a share is ridiculous for CLWR. I expect CLWR will bump back up maybe even beyond the IPO price once the market bounces back. The smart money will jump ship saving their skin and the stock will turn downward from that point on. Clearwire has lost more than $460 million during its four-year existence. The company generates about $100 million in annual sales... Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? Long term I only see a decline in value unless they start producing profits real quick! CLWR isn't making any money and doesn't have a bright future of EVER making any money. Hope I'm wrong because a CLWR failure is a failure for fixed wireless as a whole. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:37 AM To: Matt Liotta Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Matt Liotta wrote: It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I think their stock has move as expected. I bought in at $20.68 and am quite happy with my position. -Matt Issuing the extra 4 million shares actually diluted the value of the stock. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
wispa wrote: Ok, Clearwire expects to continue to build out. They expect to spend 1.1 billion, and market hacks expect them to triple the customer base over the next year or so. So, even next year, they're going to spend between 3 and 4 times their gross revenue. What is interesting is that year over year their revenue is currently growing at 125%, but their expenses are growing at 43%. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Nothing, and why I feel the way I do about the stock. I believe CLWR will bounce back up, but will ultimately slide downward until profits are realized. No stock has ever been able to hold value without realizing profits at one point or another. Why should CLWR be any different? People invest into companies because they believe the company is solvent and profitable or will be before they need or want to sell. This isn't to say there isn't ample opportunity for investors to profit on the buying and selling of a stock during these periods. Eventually the shorts will get a hold of it and the stock will only continue to drop until profits are realized. Even then we've seen stocks continue to drop even after they become profitable. There are no guarantees! The bottom line after all the good news, bad news, market swings etc. The company needs to make a profit in order to sustain value long term. Many believe CLWR's profitability future is unclear at best. The swings you see on many IPOs are due to the market makers timing their in's and out's taking profits when they can. As they say for every buyer there is a seller, but that doesn't always work the other way around. I certainly have a few shares of various companies over the years that I'd love to sell, but no buyers are to be found. sigh Like I said before, I'm hoping CLWR does well and McCaw brings the company into the black...I just don't see it happening. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Who says they ever have to make money, for their stock to hold or increase its value? And who says a profit needs to be made for a company to survive long term, when they are kept alive by the stock market? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock value. All that said I think $20 - $24 a share is ridiculous for CLWR. I expect CLWR will bump back up maybe even beyond the IPO price once the market bounces back. The smart money will jump ship saving their skin and the stock will turn downward from that point on. Clearwire has lost more than $460 million during its four-year existence. The company generates about $100 million in annual sales... Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? Long term I only see a decline in value unless they start producing profits real quick! CLWR isn't making any money and doesn't have a bright future of EVER making any money. Hope I'm wrong because a CLWR failure is a failure for fixed wireless as a whole. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:37 AM To: Matt Liotta Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Matt Liotta wrote: It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I think their stock has move as expected. I bought in at $20.68 and am quite happy with my position. -Matt Issuing the extra 4 million shares actually diluted the value of the stock. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Matt Liotta wrote: wispa wrote: Ok, Clearwire expects to continue to build out. They expect to spend 1.1 billion, and market hacks expect them to triple the customer base over the next year or so. So, even next year, they're going to spend between 3 and 4 times their gross revenue. What is interesting is that year over year their revenue is currently growing at 125%, but their expenses are growing at 43%. -Matt Based on their GAAP accounting method and what silo they are putting expenses and revenues in. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:09:20 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote wispa wrote: Ok, Clearwire expects to continue to build out. They expect to spend 1.1 billion, and market hacks expect them to triple the customer base over the next year or so. So, even next year, they're going to spend between 3 and 4 times their gross revenue. What is interesting is that year over year their revenue is currently growing at 125%, but their expenses are growing at 43%. -Matt It depends on who provides you the figures... It looks like they really can't lose unless they just spend themselves broke without aquiring more customers. I know they spent or spend big time around here, and for the most part, customer satisifaction has been rather mixed. I don't directly c ompete with them, except for a small overlap on the edge of what I consider to be my market, and from what the guy who tried to get hooked up with them told me, he's a whale of lot happier with me than them. Apparently not every technical hurdle has been overcome. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Not to compare it to a skunk, but look at Vonage stock. Tanked quick despite their accounting methods. (Sure some of that was from the patent lawsuit, but it was fading before that). - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
George Rogato wrote: wispa wrote: It depends on who provides you the figures... People go to jail when those figures are wrong. Sometimes they do. The key to GAAP Accounting is that you have to be consistent. SO if in your first quarter you decide that hardware is in this column and advertsing is over there and customer care is in column D, you just have to continue that method. So in the case of a VoIP company that doesn't want spiffs, rebates or advertising to be calculated with customer acquisition, you count them all in different silos. The same works for att and VZ - advertising is the cost of doing business and is not factored in to any metrics. All depends on how the CFO decided to have the numbers looked at and maybe valued. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Peter R. wrote: Not to compare it to a skunk, but look at Vonage stock. Tanked quick despite their accounting methods. (Sure some of that was from the patent lawsuit, but it was fading before that). - Peter Yeah, but Vonage also shot itself in the foot on IPO We will offer refunds if our stock goes down Was the stupidest thing for a company to ever say, was unheard of, especially when they renegeed and said they changed their mind and was not going to give a refund That stink will be with them for awhile. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Isn't Clearwire's value irrelevent? If we have lots of extra money sitting around to invest, shouldn't we be investing it in ourselves for a higher return and less risk? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Nothing, and why I feel the way I do about the stock. I believe CLWR will bounce back up, but will ultimately slide downward until profits are realized. No stock has ever been able to hold value without realizing profits at one point or another. Why should CLWR be any different? People invest into companies because they believe the company is solvent and profitable or will be before they need or want to sell. This isn't to say there isn't ample opportunity for investors to profit on the buying and selling of a stock during these periods. Eventually the shorts will get a hold of it and the stock will only continue to drop until profits are realized. Even then we've seen stocks continue to drop even after they become profitable. There are no guarantees! The bottom line after all the good news, bad news, market swings etc. The company needs to make a profit in order to sustain value long term. Many believe CLWR's profitability future is unclear at best. The swings you see on many IPOs are due to the market makers timing their in's and out's taking profits when they can. As they say for every buyer there is a seller, but that doesn't always work the other way around. I certainly have a few shares of various companies over the years that I'd love to sell, but no buyers are to be found. sigh Like I said before, I'm hoping CLWR does well and McCaw brings the company into the black...I just don't see it happening. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Who says they ever have to make money, for their stock to hold or increase its value? And who says a profit needs to be made for a company to survive long term, when they are kept alive by the stock market? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock value. All that said I think $20 - $24 a share is ridiculous for CLWR. I expect CLWR will bump back up maybe even beyond the IPO price once the market bounces back. The smart money will jump ship saving their skin and the stock will turn downward from that point on. Clearwire has lost more than $460 million during its four-year existence. The company generates about $100 million in annual sales... Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? Long term I only see a decline in value unless they start producing profits real quick! CLWR isn't making any money and doesn't have a bright future of EVER making any money. Hope I'm wrong because a CLWR failure is a failure for fixed wireless as a whole. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:37 AM To: Matt Liotta Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Matt Liotta wrote: It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I think their stock has move as expected. I bought in at $20.68 and am quite happy with my position. -Matt Issuing the extra 4 million shares actually diluted the value of the stock. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
It's largely irrelevant to me as I don't own CLWR or have any immediate plans to own any shares. As for our industry I believe CLWR's value and performance could have some impact on future fixed wireless ventures public or private. Bankers and investors alike will look at CLWR and may be more inclined to think if McCaw couldn't pull it off with billions at his disposal how could the next guy? Let's just hope CLWR doesn't give the industry yet another black eye like Teligent and WindStar did. We still run into property owners/managers that are reeling from their dismal wireless experiences. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Isn't Clearwire's value irrelevent? If we have lots of extra money sitting around to invest, shouldn't we be investing it in ourselves for a higher return and less risk? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Nothing, and why I feel the way I do about the stock. I believe CLWR will bounce back up, but will ultimately slide downward until profits are realized. No stock has ever been able to hold value without realizing profits at one point or another. Why should CLWR be any different? People invest into companies because they believe the company is solvent and profitable or will be before they need or want to sell. This isn't to say there isn't ample opportunity for investors to profit on the buying and selling of a stock during these periods. Eventually the shorts will get a hold of it and the stock will only continue to drop until profits are realized. Even then we've seen stocks continue to drop even after they become profitable. There are no guarantees! The bottom line after all the good news, bad news, market swings etc. The company needs to make a profit in order to sustain value long term. Many believe CLWR's profitability future is unclear at best. The swings you see on many IPOs are due to the market makers timing their in's and out's taking profits when they can. As they say for every buyer there is a seller, but that doesn't always work the other way around. I certainly have a few shares of various companies over the years that I'd love to sell, but no buyers are to be found. sigh Like I said before, I'm hoping CLWR does well and McCaw brings the company into the black...I just don't see it happening. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Who says they ever have to make money, for their stock to hold or increase its value? And who says a profit needs to be made for a company to survive long term, when they are kept alive by the stock market? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock value. All that said I think $20 - $24 a share is ridiculous for CLWR. I expect CLWR will bump back up maybe even beyond the IPO price once the market bounces back. The smart money will jump ship saving their skin and the stock will turn downward from that point on. Clearwire has lost more than $460 million during its four-year existence. The company generates about $100 million in annual sales... Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? Long term I only see a decline in value unless they start producing profits real quick! CLWR isn't making any money and doesn't have a bright future of EVER making any money. Hope I'm wrong because a CLWR failure is a failure for fixed wireless as a whole. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:37 AM To: Matt Liotta Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Matt Liotta wrote: It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Tom DeReggi wrote: Isn't Clearwire's value irrelevent? If we have lots of extra money sitting around to invest, shouldn't we be investing it in ourselves for a higher return and less risk? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband Actually, if you have lots of extra money sitting around - divest! Invest the money in other areas so you are cushioned. The Problem With Passion:Good entrepreneurs can be bad investors. http://www.inc.com/magazine/20070201/finance-wealth-management_Printer_Friendly.html Entrepreneurs are quick to reinvest profits back into their companies. But the key to retirement just might be outside investments. http://www.inc.com/resources/wealth/articles/20061001/lancaster.html Even the Big Boys invest internationally. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
And the stock market has been kept alive by the U.S Federal Reserve printing too much money (inflation of the money supply) and by the yen carry trade where people borrow money at 0.5% in Japan and invest it into stock markets where they hope to make 20% in speculative profits. This carry trade is now unwinding (going into reverse) and with it, the world-wide stock markets and the U.S. sub-prime home mortgage market. http://www.kitco.com/ind/Laird/mar142007.html In short, we've been living in an overinflated asset bubble brought on by excessive world-wide Central Bank printing of money, too-low U.S. Federal Reserve Bank interest rates, excessive Wall Street greed, and unethical mortgage-banking industry practices. This trillion-dollar asset/liquidity bubble is now starting to deflate. Everyone better hang onto their hats... jack Tom DeReggi wrote: Who says they ever have to make money, for their stock to hold or increase its value? And who says a profit needs to be made for a company to survive long term, when they are kept alive by the stock market? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock value. All that said I think $20 - $24 a share is ridiculous for CLWR. I expect CLWR will bump back up maybe even beyond the IPO price once the market bounces back. The smart money will jump ship saving their skin and the stock will turn downward from that point on. Clearwire has lost more than $460 million during its four-year existence. The company generates about $100 million in annual sales... Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? Long term I only see a decline in value unless they start producing profits real quick! CLWR isn't making any money and doesn't have a bright future of EVER making any money. Hope I'm wrong because a CLWR failure is a failure for fixed wireless as a whole. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:37 AM To: Matt Liotta Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Matt Liotta wrote: It seems premature to suggest that Clearwire is tanking. When you consider that an additional 4 million shares were issued and that the overall market is currently down, I think their stock has move as expected. I bought in at $20.68 and am quite happy with my position. -Matt Issuing the extra 4 million shares actually diluted the value of the stock. -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
Brad, Excellent Point. The industry clearly needs more successes, not failures. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping It's largely irrelevant to me as I don't own CLWR or have any immediate plans to own any shares. As for our industry I believe CLWR's value and performance could have some impact on future fixed wireless ventures public or private. Bankers and investors alike will look at CLWR and may be more inclined to think if McCaw couldn't pull it off with billions at his disposal how could the next guy? Let's just hope CLWR doesn't give the industry yet another black eye like Teligent and WindStar did. We still run into property owners/managers that are reeling from their dismal wireless experiences. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Isn't Clearwire's value irrelevent? If we have lots of extra money sitting around to invest, shouldn't we be investing it in ourselves for a higher return and less risk? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Nothing, and why I feel the way I do about the stock. I believe CLWR will bounce back up, but will ultimately slide downward until profits are realized. No stock has ever been able to hold value without realizing profits at one point or another. Why should CLWR be any different? People invest into companies because they believe the company is solvent and profitable or will be before they need or want to sell. This isn't to say there isn't ample opportunity for investors to profit on the buying and selling of a stock during these periods. Eventually the shorts will get a hold of it and the stock will only continue to drop until profits are realized. Even then we've seen stocks continue to drop even after they become profitable. There are no guarantees! The bottom line after all the good news, bad news, market swings etc. The company needs to make a profit in order to sustain value long term. Many believe CLWR's profitability future is unclear at best. The swings you see on many IPOs are due to the market makers timing their in's and out's taking profits when they can. As they say for every buyer there is a seller, but that doesn't always work the other way around. I certainly have a few shares of various companies over the years that I'd love to sell, but no buyers are to be found. sigh Like I said before, I'm hoping CLWR does well and McCaw brings the company into the black...I just don't see it happening. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Who says they ever have to make money, for their stock to hold or increase its value? And who says a profit needs to be made for a company to survive long term, when they are kept alive by the stock market? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping Correct and that I believe is what Matt's point is. Too early to kick CLWR to the curb for at least two reasons: (1) short term market downturn (2) additional 4M shares issued Both of these items can and often will soften a stock value. All that said I think $20 - $24 a share is ridiculous for CLWR. I expect CLWR will bump back up maybe even beyond the IPO price once the market bounces back. The smart money will jump ship saving their skin and the stock will turn downward from that point on. Clearwire has lost more than $460 million during its four-year existence. The company generates about $100 million in annual sales... Certainly McCaw can afford this type of bleeding, but for how long and more importantly how long will Wall Street wait to see the light at the end of the tunnel? Will CLWR ever bask in the sunshine? Long term I only see a decline in value unless they start producing profits real quick! CLWR isn't making any money and doesn't have a bright future of EVER making any money. Hope I'm wrong because a CLWR failure is a failure for fixed wireless as a whole. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
[WISPA] Clearwire stock dropping
http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/22147.html http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/03/clearwire-update.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Clearwire buys wireless spectrum for $300 million
http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2007/02/19/daily14.html Clearwire is buying all of ATT's spectrum in BellSouth's 9-state area for 300M .. and talk of an IPO to raise $500 million all your base are belong to clearwire! -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Clearwire-Grand Rapids-Licensed WiMAX?
Clearwire gets into muni-wireless game with Grand Rapids WiMAX bid http://crstage.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061206/FREE/61206013/1027/rss01 I don't know if this deployment will use WiMAX-certified equipment in licensed spectrum or if the reporter who wrote the article doesn't know the difference between WiMAX and pre-WiMAX. Anybody know? -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire-Grand Rapids-Licensed WiMAX?
Dunno, but it's only 30 minutes from me. I did see the story on the local news, but it didn't say much. Here is a search for wimax on the local news site. 4 links to stories. Might be the info you need. (I'm not in a reading mood so I didn't scan) http://www.woodtv.com/Global/SearchResults.asp?qu=wimax Jack Unger wrote: Clearwire gets into muni-wireless game with Grand Rapids WiMAX bid http://crstage.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061206/FREE/61206013/1027/rss01 I don't know if this deployment will use WiMAX-certified equipment in licensed spectrum or if the reporter who wrote the article doesn't know the difference between WiMAX and pre-WiMAX. Anybody know? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Clearwire Comment on ATT/BS Merger
Has any one read the Clearwire comment posted on the ATT/BS merger petition, 06-74? http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_document=6518374295 Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire Comment on ATT/BS Merger
Frank, Interesting Comments. I believe there would be benefit to publicly supporting part of Clearwire's petition but with a different twist. Clearwire makes good points on why BS/ATT should not keep 2.5Ghz spectrum after the merger. However their suggestion for what to do with it (2.5Ghz spectrum) is self serving. If anything brings forward the threat that Clearwire is trying to become to third party independent ISP or WISPs. I propose that WISPA sends comments that adds that the merger should be prevented for many of the anti-competitive reasons listed, but add, that if it were to be passed, the 2.5Ghz should not be allowed to go with it, and should be donated to the competitive industry for Unlicensed Wireless, to compensate the third party competitors that would be most harmed by the merger and foster optimal competition. Giving more license spectrum to specifically one individual such as Clearwire, would be hippocritical and not serving competition optimally. Quite honestly, I'd rather see ATT sit on the spectrum than to allow a well financed WISP have it all to themselves to gain a competitive advantage. Or kept licensed, and donated to a third party non-profit for experiemental licensing projects. For example, kept license, but not allow any one entity to purchase over 5% of the spectrum licenses. To foster more wireless startups that are not nationwide monopolies. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:44 AM Subject: [WISPA] Clearwire Comment on ATT/BS Merger Has any one read the Clearwire comment posted on the ATT/BS merger petition, 06-74? http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_document=6518374295 Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire Comment on ATT/BS Merger
I've read it. Their focus is divestiture of BS's 2.5 GHz spectrum (and to a lesser extent the 2.3 GHz spectrum held by ATT and BS). They filed comments on 6/5 and reply comments on 6/20. Several other parties made the same arguments, but Clearwire's are the strongest and most detailed.In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a telecom attorney. In addition to having WISP clients, I am representing PaeTec in the ATT/BS merger proceeding and filed comments on their behalf. Call me at 301-933-7216 if you want to talk about the Clearwire filings.Mark Del BiancoFrank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has any one read the Clearwire comment posted on the ATT/BS merger petition, 06-74?http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_document=6518374295Frank MutoCo-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIATelecom Summit Ad Hoc Committeehttp://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/Mark Del Bianco3929 Washington St.Kensington, MD 20895301-933-7216This e-mail and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the named addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please immediately notify me at (301) 933-7216 and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any printout thereof.-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 MillionRe: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)
I'm referring to I use Trango Broadband for 95% of my network. I believe it is the best choice for long term survivabilty of an independant WISP. I stand behind that decission today as the best decission that I could have made for my situation. However, there were trade offs in making that decssion. One was it illiminated every manufacturer other than Trango the from being a potential manufacturer investor that would have senergy to invest in us. Wimax on the other hand has 100s of manufacturers that potentially could be investors as well as suppliers in early stage large scale projects, based on jump starting and proving their early production runs or technkowlegy embeeded with products used. Historically, Manufacturers have been key investors. For example Cisco in Cogent. Or I can refer to an initiative a year or two back where Redline's investors had been considering investment in WISP providers that used Redline equipment. Supporting one company (WISP) also strengthens other investments (in manufacturer's product). Motorola has numerous attempts to partner with major initative, often in investment, as lsited in the Clearwire press release. Or a company like TelkoNet that leases to WISPs to help financially and not only techknowlgy solutions. WISPs that are serious about growing large, need to consider these things, as they must have a finance strategy long term to handle their growth when that time comes or the growth won't occur. If I expand this conversation to my business specifically... There have been many offers to just buy my company out and take over. But I won't get the ROI that I'm looking for if I were to do that, because my company is still in an early investment stage. Instead what I want is someone to share the investment burden, so I don't have to take it on all alone. For me investment in my business is the lease risky thing I can do, I have control and confindense in things that I can control. However, ISP investors or consolidators (one of the typical investment sources) think differently. They'd rather take over, so they have control and maximum return, than share the burden of investment or compensate adequately for others investment. Manufacturer investors are potentially good investment partners because they are not providers and rarely have expertise to take over, and look to invest in companies that already have successful strategies and staff in place to succeed. Clearwire is a much different thing where they can be publically traded, apposed to small WISPs that are far from the large scale value that large manufacturers look for before investing. But companies grow, and sooner or later many WISPs will reach the scale of the Nextweb and Clearwires to attract major investors. I'd argue that Wimax's biggest value is not technical, its strategic, because the number of players that enter the game and have synergies to partner with vastly grows, and financial/funding options vastly grow with it. If I were a WISP I would not be holding my breath for a manufactirer investor to come, I'm jsut saying its one strategic option to consider that could exist. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 MillionRe: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?) What would be the Proprietary Platform? Tom DeReggi wrote: I'll say thats one disadvantage of buying into a proprietary platform, you loose out on investment funds from hardware manufacturers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900MillionRe: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)
Well said Tom, Having watched the cellular and PCS industry grow over the years, vendor financing/investing was the only way these networks could have been built out as fast as they were. Being based on a technology that was not specific to any one manufacturer was a key in those network build outs. WIMAX may be able to offer those same benefits once it becomes available in the unlicensed spectrum, although I would guess the manufacturers would be more apt to do what you say once a more protected spectrum becomes available. I also agree with your statement that when the manufacturer is the investor all they want to do is sell equipment, not get you over a barrel and then take your company away from you in the way most venture capital outfits would. I can see you've been around that block once or twice :-) Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900MillionRe: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?) I'm referring to I use Trango Broadband for 95% of my network. I believe it is the best choice for long term survivabilty of an independant WISP. I stand behind that decission today as the best decission that I could have made for my situation. However, there were trade offs in making that decssion. One was it illiminated every manufacturer other than Trango the from being a potential manufacturer investor that would have senergy to invest in us. Wimax on the other hand has 100s of manufacturers that potentially could be investors as well as suppliers in early stage large scale projects, based on jump starting and proving their early production runs or technkowlegy embeeded with products used. Historically, Manufacturers have been key investors. For example Cisco in Cogent. Or I can refer to an initiative a year or two back where Redline's investors had been considering investment in WISP providers that used Redline equipment. Supporting one company (WISP) also strengthens other investments (in manufacturer's product). Motorola has numerous attempts to partner with major initative, often in investment, as lsited in the Clearwire press release. Or a company like TelkoNet that leases to WISPs to help financially and not only techknowlgy solutions. WISPs that are serious about growing large, need to consider these things, as they must have a finance strategy long term to handle their growth when that time comes or the growth won't occur. If I expand this conversation to my business specifically... There have been many offers to just buy my company out and take over. But I won't get the ROI that I'm looking for if I were to do that, because my company is still in an early investment stage. Instead what I want is someone to share the investment burden, so I don't have to take it on all alone. For me investment in my business is the lease risky thing I can do, I have control and confindense in things that I can control. However, ISP investors or consolidators (one of the typical investment sources) think differently. They'd rather take over, so they have control and maximum return, than share the burden of investment or compensate adequately for others investment. Manufacturer investors are potentially good investment partners because they are not providers and rarely have expertise to take over, and look to invest in companies that already have successful strategies and staff in place to succeed. Clearwire is a much different thing where they can be publically traded, apposed to small WISPs that are far from the large scale value that large manufacturers look for before investing. But companies grow, and sooner or later many WISPs will reach the scale of the Nextweb and Clearwires to attract major investors. I'd argue that Wimax's biggest value is not technical, its strategic, because the number of players that enter the game and have synergies to partner with vastly grows, and financial/funding options vastly grow with it. If I were a WISP I would not be holding my breath for a manufactirer investor to come, I'm jsut saying its one strategic option to consider that could exist. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 MillionRe: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?) What would be the Proprietary Platform? Tom DeReggi wrote: I'll say thats one disadvantage of buying into a proprietary platform, you loose out on investment funds from hardware manufacturers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 Million Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)
MOTOROLA AND INTEL TO INVEST IN CLEARWIRE [SOURCE: New York Times, AUTHOR: Laurie Flynn John Markoff] The investment units of Intel and Motorola said Wednesday that together they would invest $900 million in Clearwire, a wireless Internet service provider, in hopes of speeding development of its high-speed wide-range network. Intel Capital said it would make a $600 million cash investment in Clearwire, which was founded nearly three years ago by Craig O. McCaw, a pioneer in the cellular telephone industry. Motorola Ventures would not say how much of its $300 million investment would be in cash. In a related transaction, Motorola said it would buy Clearwire's NextNet Wireless subsidiary for an undisclosed amount. Analysts said Intel and Motorola wanted to give a lift to WiMax, a standard for mobile wireless that is used by Clearwire and is competing with technology from Qualcomm. WiMax is much like the popular WiFi networking standard but works over much greater distances, carrying both Internet data and mobile phone calls. A single WiMax base station could connect hundreds or potentially thousands of customers to the Internet over distances of many miles. Also see: Intel puts money on wireless networks - $600 MILLION INVESTMENT IN COMPANY BUILDING WIMAX http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/technology/14976053.htm Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a tower in rural Western Washington. Today I went in to find 5 of thier radios still in the box, 1 Orthogon systems PTP ethernet bridge, an APS rack etc So... does anyone else out there compete with Mr McCaw? How does his service stack up? I don't mean to be a the sky is falling or conspiracy theory kind of guy but not only is Clearwire suddenly up in this area, but I think Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS loans in our rural areas. And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being applied for in my area? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 Million Re: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)
I'll say thats one disadvantage of buying into a proprietary platform, you loose out on investment funds from hardware manufacturers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 Million Re: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?) MOTOROLA AND INTEL TO INVEST IN CLEARWIRE [SOURCE: New York Times, AUTHOR: Laurie Flynn John Markoff] The investment units of Intel and Motorola said Wednesday that together they would invest $900 million in Clearwire, a wireless Internet service provider, in hopes of speeding development of its high-speed wide-range network. Intel Capital said it would make a $600 million cash investment in Clearwire, which was founded nearly three years ago by Craig O. McCaw, a pioneer in the cellular telephone industry. Motorola Ventures would not say how much of its $300 million investment would be in cash. In a related transaction, Motorola said it would buy Clearwire's NextNet Wireless subsidiary for an undisclosed amount. Analysts said Intel and Motorola wanted to give a lift to WiMax, a standard for mobile wireless that is used by Clearwire and is competing with technology from Qualcomm. WiMax is much like the popular WiFi networking standard but works over much greater distances, carrying both Internet data and mobile phone calls. A single WiMax base station could connect hundreds or potentially thousands of customers to the Internet over distances of many miles. Also see: Intel puts money on wireless networks - $600 MILLION INVESTMENT IN COMPANY BUILDING WIMAX http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/technology/14976053.htm Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a tower in rural Western Washington. Today I went in to find 5 of thier radios still in the box, 1 Orthogon systems PTP ethernet bridge, an APS rack etc So... does anyone else out there compete with Mr McCaw? How does his service stack up? I don't mean to be a the sky is falling or conspiracy theory kind of guy but not only is Clearwire suddenly up in this area, but I think Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS loans in our rural areas. And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being applied for in my area? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 Million Re: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)
What would be the Proprietary Platform? Tom DeReggi wrote: I'll say thats one disadvantage of buying into a proprietary platform, you loose out on investment funds from hardware manufacturers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)
Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS loans in our rural areas. Well he won;t be getting RUS loans, if you are protesting as you should be, as RUS loans are for unserved areas, and you obviously are serving it already. Competing against Clearwire is no different than competing againt any other ISP or WISP. And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being applied for in my area? Not to be a smart alec, but try calling RUS. Their contact info or links to them are plastered all over the FCC web page :-) The problem I see in your case is that they are deploying on the same tower as you. It sounds like you don;t have a loyal tower owner or not good enough clauses to protect your right to spectrum. For example is the Orthogon equipment using 5.8Ghz? Are you using 5.8Ghz? Execute that Non-Interference clause, if you can. Provided you bought the right to broadcast at 5.8Ghz first. The problem with them being on the same tower is, you are competing for the exact same clients. My advice is take advantage of any customer awareness that they generate for you. If you are there first, hopefully you know the market better. Time to vamp up your marketing, and running your signup promotions. The good news is that Clearwire's sectors most likely are not going to interfere with you (provided using 2.5Ghz or what ever it is). Just remember the DSL world, when there were 100 ISPs all selling DSL in the same town, and there was enough business to go around. Don't worry about Clearwire, worry about your business. What are you going to do to make custoemrs want to use you. Let Clearwire worry about why they think customers should chose them instead. Ask your self why customers would choose clearwire over you. My answer would be, no reason I could think of. So you have as much a chance at the client base as Clearwire. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?) I have a tower in rural Western Washington. Today I went in to find 5 of thier radios still in the box, 1 Orthogon systems PTP ethernet bridge, an APS rack etc So... does anyone else out there compete with Mr McCaw? How does his service stack up? I don't mean to be a the sky is falling or conspiracy theory kind of guy but not only is Clearwire suddenly up in this area, but I think Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS loans in our rural areas. And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being applied for in my area? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)
We have Clearwire in some of the area we serve. I think we have lost one customer to them, but we have gotten customers that could not use them. In the area where they serve (Modesto, Ceres, Turlock of Ca.) they are trying to get the populated areas, competing against DSL and Cable. They provide their customers with an indoor CPE and tell them how to connect it, and to move it around until they can get a good signal. Well 2.5 ghz still does not penetrate trees, brick, cement block or stucco homes. We have alot of all of these. Also their range seems to be approx 1 to 1.5 miles from their towers. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?) Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS loans in our rural areas. Well he won;t be getting RUS loans, if you are protesting as you should be, as RUS loans are for unserved areas, and you obviously are serving it already. Competing against Clearwire is no different than competing againt any other ISP or WISP. And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being applied for in my area? Not to be a smart alec, but try calling RUS. Their contact info or links to them are plastered all over the FCC web page :-) The problem I see in your case is that they are deploying on the same tower as you. It sounds like you don;t have a loyal tower owner or not good enough clauses to protect your right to spectrum. For example is the Orthogon equipment using 5.8Ghz? Are you using 5.8Ghz? Execute that Non-Interference clause, if you can. Provided you bought the right to broadcast at 5.8Ghz first. The problem with them being on the same tower is, you are competing for the exact same clients. My advice is take advantage of any customer awareness that they generate for you. If you are there first, hopefully you know the market better. Time to vamp up your marketing, and running your signup promotions. The good news is that Clearwire's sectors most likely are not going to interfere with you (provided using 2.5Ghz or what ever it is). Just remember the DSL world, when there were 100 ISPs all selling DSL in the same town, and there was enough business to go around. Don't worry about Clearwire, worry about your business. What are you going to do to make custoemrs want to use you. Let Clearwire worry about why they think customers should chose them instead. Ask your self why customers would choose clearwire over you. My answer would be, no reason I could think of. So you have as much a chance at the client base as Clearwire. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?) I have a tower in rural Western Washington. Today I went in to find 5 of thier radios still in the box, 1 Orthogon systems PTP ethernet bridge, an APS rack etc So... does anyone else out there compete with Mr McCaw? How does his service stack up? I don't mean to be a the sky is falling or conspiracy theory kind of guy but not only is Clearwire suddenly up in this area, but I think Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS loans in our rural areas. And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being applied for in my area? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
