Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-MT-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=51 Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors, TCHM1-L. They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt cutters. I fit a length of schedule 80 4 pipe to mount radios above the pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole. You put these things on right and you will have no problems. Nice hardware. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-M T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Was this a WA state PUD? Do you have some pics of an install or 2? ryan On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-MT-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
At 7/28/2010 12:37 PM, Mike Gilchrist wrote: I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=51 Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors, TCHM1-L. They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt cutters. I fit a length of schedule 80 4 pipe to mount radios above the pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole. You put these things on right and you will have no problems. Nice hardware. Beautiful! Thanks. This is exactly what I was looking for. Now to just find a simple, cheap, reliable (pick 3) little wind charger for those off-grid sites... ;-) Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-M T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but 12V 20A $490: http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49 Regards, Scott e-zy.net PH: 801-432-0098 FAX: 801-618-4220 sc...@e-zy.net www.e-zy.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/28/2010 12:37 PM, Mike Gilchrist wrote: I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=51 Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors, TCHM1-L. They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt cutters. I fit a length of schedule 80 4 pipe to mount radios above the pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole. You put these things on right and you will have no problems. Nice hardware. Beautiful! Thanks. This is exactly what I was looking for. Now to just find a simple, cheap, reliable (pick 3) little wind charger for those off-grid sites... ;-) Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and- M T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
At 7/28/2010 02:46 PM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00FB_01CB2E52.D6C23980 Content-Language: en-us Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but 12V 20A $490: http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49 Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. Especially since the non-metallic blades only have a 3' diameter. Stick a good deep discharge battery in a box with the charge controller and it should be able to power a nice Routerboard arrangement, maybe with some Ethernet radios on the side. The fun will be mounting everything on the pole. Questions like who gets the top, the antenna or the windmill? (Probably the turbine, so it can move with the wind.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
The small wind turbines perform best if you can get them to the top. Air turbulence near the ground causes the turbine output to drop but get up 40-60 feet and the wind stream is steadier and the turbine more consistent. e-zy.net PH: 801-432-0098 FAX: 801-618-4220 sc...@e-zy.net www.e-zy.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/28/2010 02:46 PM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00FB_01CB2E52.D6C23980 Content-Language: en-us Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but 12V 20A $490: http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49 http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49 Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. Especially since the non-metallic blades only have a 3' diameter. Stick a good deep discharge battery in a box with the charge controller and it should be able to power a nice Routerboard arrangement, maybe with some Ethernet radios on the side. The fun will be mounting everything on the pole. Questions like who gets the top, the antenna or the windmill? (Probably the turbine, so it can move with the wind.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... I am guessing what he meant is they put the wireless gear on a seperate pole from the electrical. Being electric COOP its likely easy for them to drop poles in just for it. If you colocate on actual electric poles you must be so many feet below the high voltage lines. I think you must be certified for your person to come within so many feet of the high voltage as well. AFAIK. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
We already had the pole. They replaced a boatload of poles that had been in 3 years after being replaced in an ice storm. They upgraded to composite poles along a new stretch of Hwy 30 they are building here. The pole was set for the cost of 2 guys and a truck for 2 hours. Anecdotally, the pole is planted in the farm yard of the foreman of that crew. My deal is with him. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Is that for a set, or a pole and a set? Pole and a set, that is a steal! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks. They are tree guys. Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles. I have customers there too. The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few months back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Must not have any lineman friends. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
I would check with the electric utility to see if they will do poles and for how much, sometimes it's reasonable. Local electricians will know who the inexpensive pole subcontractors are, as electricians often need poles installed in the course of installing their part of new electrical services. You might even want the electricians to handle the pole installs, any conduit runs (for power to the poles if power is nearby). I would not assume there are electrical outlets everywhere you want them and it's not all low voltage wiring, so some relationship with an electrician may be necessary. I had one experience with a windmill and it wasn't good. It was an older air-x 400. I'm sure newer ones are better, but mine vibrated the tower quite bit, and seized up after a couple months. Solar can work very well if you don't skimp on panel and battery. Most of them attempts you read about are people trying it out, skimping on both battery and panel capacity and they are setting them self up for early trouble. On the other hand, big companies speccing out solar systems will massively overbuild to protect their reputation and sell more stuff. New gear like UBNT and mikrotik uses very little electrical power, making solar more practical than ever. For the wisp stuff, you'll want to either find a qualified local WISP company with long term maintenance in mind. Ocassionally, surges and power issues will break things or cause things to need a power cycle. Lacking that, a computer service shop that is good at networking might be able to maintain it, but I wouldn't suggest a computer service shop for the setup. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 06:08:35PM -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power too? There are few or no local windmills otherwise. Some of the best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be practical. Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a problem. Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
We get them installed for $300 here. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations I would check with the electric utility to see if they will do poles and for how much, sometimes it's reasonable. Local electricians will know who the inexpensive pole subcontractors are, as electricians often need poles installed in the course of installing their part of new electrical services. You might even want the electricians to handle the pole installs, any conduit runs (for power to the poles if power is nearby). I would not assume there are electrical outlets everywhere you want them and it's not all low voltage wiring, so some relationship with an electrician may be necessary. I had one experience with a windmill and it wasn't good. It was an older air-x 400. I'm sure newer ones are better, but mine vibrated the tower quite bit, and seized up after a couple months. Solar can work very well if you don't skimp on panel and battery. Most of them attempts you read about are people trying it out, skimping on both battery and panel capacity and they are setting them self up for early trouble. On the other hand, big companies speccing out solar systems will massively overbuild to protect their reputation and sell more stuff. New gear like UBNT and mikrotik uses very little electrical power, making solar more practical than ever. For the wisp stuff, you'll want to either find a qualified local WISP company with long term maintenance in mind. Ocassionally, surges and power issues will break things or cause things to need a power cycle. Lacking that, a computer service shop that is good at networking might be able to maintain it, but I wouldn't suggest a computer service shop for the setup. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 06:08:35PM -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power too? There are few or no local windmills otherwise. Some of the best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be practical. Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a problem. Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldstein
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power too? There are few or no local windmills otherwise. Some of the best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be practical. Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a problem. Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Something like these: http://www.pondaeration.com/ Thiesens here in Iowa sells them. They look like an old fashioned windmill and just pump water. There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb. I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers would have no problem having in their neighborhood. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power too? There are few or no local windmills otherwise. Some of the best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be practical. Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a problem. Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html Just installed a 17.5 foot one. Very nice. Phil On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Something like these: http://www.pondaeration.com/ Thiesens here in Iowa sells them. They look like an old fashioned windmill and just pump water. There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb. I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers would have no problem having in their neighborhood. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power too? There are few or no local windmills otherwise. Some of the best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be practical. Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a problem. Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
How much for a 17.5 ? On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html Just installed a 17.5 foot one. Very nice. Phil On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Something like these: http://www.pondaeration.com/ Thiesens here in Iowa sells them. They look like an old fashioned windmill and just pump water. There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb. I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers would have no problem having in their neighborhood. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power too? There are few or no local windmills otherwise. Some of the best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be practical. Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a problem. Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Nice Phil. How much did you pay? _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html Just installed a 17.5 foot one. Very nice. Phil On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Something like these: http://www.pondaeration.com/ Thiesens here in Iowa sells them. They look like an old fashioned windmill and just pump water. There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb. I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers would have no problem having in their neighborhood. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power too? There are few or no local windmills otherwise. Some of the best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be practical. Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a problem. Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Is there a mast in the center of them or do you immediately need a bucket truck? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Nice Phil. How much did you pay? -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Curnutt *Sent:* Monday, July 19, 2010 5:32 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html Just installed a 17.5 foot one. Very nice. Phil On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Something like these: http://www.pondaeration.com/ Thiesens here in Iowa sells them. They look like an old fashioned windmill and just pump water. There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb. I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers would have no problem having in their neighborhood. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power too? There are few or no local windmills otherwise. Some of the best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be practical. Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a problem. Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks. They are tree guys. Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles. I have customers there too. The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few months back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Must not have any lineman friends. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
I'd run 5 gig for the backhaul (ptmp) and 2.4 for distribution. Be VERY careful with distances and power levels you expect to be able to run though. The power lines will cause a LOT of multipath. I'd put in 2x the ap's you think you'll need and run EVERYTHING at VERY low power levels. OR swap out key poles. Go from 40' normal poles to 60 or 80' ones, then put your gear above the power lines, by a long ways. Still build slow till you know what effect the power lines are going to have on your signal. It's bad enough to just shoot across them, but shooting in line with them will likely be a royal PITA. Oh yeah, remember that multipath and self inflicted interference will often NOT show up with just a couple of test systems online. It takes lots of customers to really make things fail. And by then you have convinced yourself that the design is proper because it's worked just fine all this time. When all along it's NOT worked well, it's just fast enough and good enough that no one noticed how much trouble it was having getting data through. Have fun! Let us know what you land on for a good working design! marlon - Original Message - From: Fred R. Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
I believe with lightning protection, mounting hardware and off set arms, around $1200. Phil On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: How much for a 17.5 ? On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html Just installed a 17.5 foot one. Very nice. Phil On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Something like these: http://www.pondaeration.com/ Thiesens here in Iowa sells them. They look like an old fashioned windmill and just pump water. There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb. I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers would have no problem having in their neighborhood. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power too? There are few or no local windmills otherwise. Some of the best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be practical. Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a problem. Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
And how do you anchor them? I'd like a 45' version. Mike _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations I believe with lightning protection, mounting hardware and off set arms, around $1200. Phil On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: How much for a 17.5 ? On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html Just installed a 17.5 foot one. Very nice. Phil On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Something like these: http://www.pondaeration.com/ Thiesens here in Iowa sells them. They look like an old fashioned windmill and just pump water. There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb. I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers would have no problem having in their neighborhood. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power too? There are few or no local windmills otherwise. Some of the best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be practical. Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a problem. Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
At 7/19/2010 06:42 PM, Mike wrote wrote: No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks. They are tree guys. Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles. I have customers there too. The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few months back. That's a really good price. I don't think I've seen anything more than a 50 footer around here. That's plenty for normal things. But a 65 foot pole is a nice stealth tower! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Must not have any lineman friends. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
This is useful advice. Thanks a lot! We're no doubt going to have to build it up a few nodes at a time, starting at the injection point and building towards the most unserved area, a few hops away. I'm not sure if I want to touch 2.4, since it can be so noisy, or just use 900 and 5.8, but in the really remote places, 2.4 might be a good choice, with less foliage fade than 5.8. I wonder how well 802.11n will deal with multipath. We will have multipath... probably no way around it when there are steep hills right behind you. We'll need hire some good local feet on the ground. At 7/19/2010 07:29 PM, MarlonS wrote: I'd run 5 gig for the backhaul (ptmp) and 2.4 for distribution. Be VERY careful with distances and power levels you expect to be able to run though. The power lines will cause a LOT of multipath. I'd put in 2x the ap's you think you'll need and run EVERYTHING at VERY low power levels. OR swap out key poles. Go from 40' normal poles to 60 or 80' ones, then put your gear above the power lines, by a long ways. Still build slow till you know what effect the power lines are going to have on your signal. It's bad enough to just shoot across them, but shooting in line with them will likely be a royal PITA. Oh yeah, remember that multipath and self inflicted interference will often NOT show up with just a couple of test systems online. It takes lots of customers to really make things fail. And by then you have convinced yourself that the design is proper because it's worked just fine all this time. When all along it's NOT worked well, it's just fast enough and good enough that no one noticed how much trouble it was having getting data through. Have fun! Let us know what you land on for a good working design! marlon - Original Message - From: Fred R. Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around here Mike wrote: No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks. They are tree guys. Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles. I have customers there too. The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few months back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Must not have any lineman friends. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote: Fred: I have some "poles" on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
I would love to see that around here... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around here Mike wrote: No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks. They are tree guys. Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles. I have customers there too. The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few months back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Must not have any lineman friends. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
The anchor kit is L-bolts into concrete filled holes. The 17.5' tower weights 60 pounds plus mast (20lbs for the alum) and antennas. Four three foot holes, six inches in diameter hold two 80 lb bags of concrete; that's 620 lbs holding it down. Of course three foot holes here in New Mexico are a chore, so a tractor with a 4 auger into a hole prepped with a power washer is a necessity, but you guys out there with that deep top soil shouldn't have to much of a problem. Phil On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I would love to see that around here... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around here Mike wrote: No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks. They are tree guys. Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles. I have customers there too. The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few months back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Must not have any lineman friends. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 11:19 PM The anchor kit is L-bolts into concrete filled holes. The 17.5' tower weights 60 pounds plus mast (20lbs for the alum) and antennas. Four three foot holes, six inches in diameter hold two 80 lb bags of concrete; that's 620 lbs holding it down. Of course three foot holes here in New Mexico are a chore, so a tractor with a 4 auger into a hole prepped with a power washer is a necessity, but you guys out there with that deep top soil shouldn't have to much of a problem. Phil On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I would love to see that around here... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around here Mike wrote: No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks. They are tree guys. Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles. I have customers there too. The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few months back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Must not have any lineman friends. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Is that for a set, or a pole and a set? Pole and a set, that is a steal! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks. They are tree guys. Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles. I have customers there too. The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few months back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Must not have any lineman friends. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote: Fred: I have some poles on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
I love poles! With a belt and spikes they are no trouble to climb... Blake Bowers wrote: Is that for a set, or a pole and a set? Pole and a set, that is a steal! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "Mike" m...@aweiowa.com To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks. They are tree guys. Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles. I have customers there too. The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few months back. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Must not have any lineman friends. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote: Fred: I have some "poles" on my network. They are hard to climb and service would be the only caveats I'd share. Consider windmills. The ones they sell to keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: h
