Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
I'm not sure how many of your are on the NANOG list, but there's a very interesting thread going on about RIP vs other routing protocols. Figured some people may want to read this. http://www.mail-archive.com/na...@nanog.org/msg26990.html -- Blake Covarrubias On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:21 PM, RickG wrote: One of the best network engineers I've ever met, who was a owner/operator of a fairly large, local ISP and currently owns/operates a fairly large datacenter, helped me with some initial issues I had in our expanding network. 3 years ago, he suggested I switch from zero routing protocol to RIP. I feel it was one of the best things I ever did. Very solid, zero issues. I too have considered a newer protocol but have found no compelling reason to do so. Maybe when we grow up :) -RickG On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Blake, thanks for passing this on. It appears to be split on whether they would use RIP or not. Of course, it really depends on a number of factors with size being one of those. My network is relatively small and I just use RIP to keep the static routes clean. I could see updating to another protocol one day. Otherwise, it's still running clean with zero routing issues even after all the summer upgrades to dozens of towers! Thanks again! -RickG On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: I'm not sure how many of your are on the NANOG list, but there's a very interesting thread going on about RIP vs other routing protocols. Figured some people may want to read this. http://www.mail-archive.com/na...@nanog.org/msg26990.html -- Blake Covarrubias On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:21 PM, RickG wrote: One of the best network engineers I've ever met, who was a owner/operator of a fairly large, local ISP and currently owns/operates a fairly large datacenter, helped me with some initial issues I had in our expanding network. 3 years ago, he suggested I switch from zero routing protocol to RIP. I feel it was one of the best things I ever did. Very solid, zero issues. I too have considered a newer protocol but have found no compelling reason to do so. Maybe when we grow up :) -RickG On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. It depends on how much testing Mikrotik is doing on RIP. I've had bizarre problems with RIP on newer Cisco IOS releases, and it seems is not testing RIP anymore... it's up to the poor soul still using RIP on Cisco gear to catch these bugs. You told us you replaced RIP for BGP; that's a good fast call, because BGP is similar to RIP in many more ways than a link-state protocol like OSPF. But in the long run, you should consider whether the link is stable or not and move either to a link-sate protocol (Only OSPF is available in Mikrotik these days, may be they implement IS-IS in the future), or to a more unstable-suited protocol like MME. At least for the topology part, i.e., how to get to that router. As for the routes themselves, IBGP with a route-reflector running on top of (OSPF + MME + RIP) is the way to scale the network up. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
One of the best network engineers I've ever met, who was a owner/operator of a fairly large, local ISP and currently owns/operates a fairly large datacenter, helped me with some initial issues I had in our expanding network. 3 years ago, he suggested I switch from zero routing protocol to RIP. I feel it was one of the best things I ever did. Very solid, zero issues. I too have considered a newer protocol but have found no compelling reason to do so. Maybe when we grow up :) -RickG On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
RIP should work just fine, however, there are things that need to occur and work for RIP to work. Same thing with OSPF. So what looks like a RIP issue can actually be a multi-cast issue, or some other configuration issue that may go unnoticed. Something could change, etc. So that's the issue you have. Too many times people will say its an OSPF issue, or RIP issue. When they never troubleshoot why the protocol is acting the way it is. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
RIP is a obsolete routing protocol, OSPF should be used instead. RIP has a number of flaws and is insecure (well v2 adds passwords). RIP does not handle loops and has a limit on the depth of routers. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). Jeff ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols RIP is a obsolete routing protocol, OSPF should be used instead. RIP has a number of flaws and is insecure (well v2 adds passwords). RIP does not handle loops and has a limit on the depth of routers. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3101 - Release Date: 09/02/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. Sure, if you want to have stable routing loops :)) PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Thus my question... - Original Message - From: L. Aaron Kaplan To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. Sure, if you want to have stable routing loops :)) -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Why not! Point of a routing protocol! J Regardless, RIP is outdated, and if possible you should work on moving off of that! --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr mailto:jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and migrate to OSPF. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Ooooh forgot that one useless thing I did...led the team at Oregon State University that developed the implementation standard for Microsoft's Active Directory partitioning replication, over a decade ago...still in use today with several hundred servers. No need to mention the old ccMail system with over 300 post office databases sitting on Novell servers for which I another guy wrote a series of batch files apps nested 8 levels deep, to replicate directory changes between the post office databases...before ccMail had a directory update app that worked. That was fun. Good stuff for a laugh and a nod for those who understand us older guys and our older protocols. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 13:16 -0700, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. If the question is Is RIP stable?, then the answer is yes. What platform are you running? If you already said this, I missed it, as I unintentionally deleted about 1/2 of the posts in this thread this morning. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. If you have under 15 hops to your deepest leg, then RIP should work well for you. I agree with your assessment that there is no real compelling reason to change. If you are moving away from the network, then it may be worth investigating suggestions to move from your new admins, however. Beyond that, RIP makes a good enough solution. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
Mikrotik ethernet routers for larger sites. On smaller sites, we have some StarOS access points (such as 4-port METRO) running RIP. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 13:16 -0700, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. If the question is Is RIP stable?, then the answer is yes. What platform are you running? If you already said this, I missed it, as I unintentionally deleted about 1/2 of the posts in this thread this morning. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing loops. If you have under 15 hops to your deepest leg, then RIP should work well for you. I agree with your assessment that there is no real compelling reason to change. If you are moving away from the network, then it may be worth investigating suggestions to move from your new admins, however. Beyond that, RIP makes a good enough solution. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right now. And then there's the fact that I live quite comfortably, using RIP for my business. If it's time to change, we will change, but I haven't seen a compelling *enough* reason to get over my philosphical problem that I laid out in my previous post. I want to know if this RIP problem is smoke mirrors masking an ACTUAL problem. Ok, RIP works, and is stable if it is left alone. No routing loops, so backup routes. As long as someone does not decide to audit your network you should be ok. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's likely that I will never understand OSPF and that's why I'm having a problem. It's philosophical. I have felt in the past like my hands were tied when one person knew things about my network that I didn't know. I don't like that feeling. I know that I can do RIP. I can fix whatever goes wrong if I need to. If it's stable and works like it should ;) Not to be snide, but you are probably the only person who still knows rip. ;-P WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
