Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-30 Thread Davor Ostojic
i agree with you. tho it sounds indistinguishable i can hear the bottom end in the second part get 'rounded' and looses a bit of breading space, sounds a bit tighter to me. i'm using yamaha HD50M monitors but to really feel the difference i think this should be listened to on a club sound system.

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-30 Thread kent williams
Actually the MP3 sample is first. I'm all for fighting the good fight for sound quality, though. I kind of wonder about the idea that you can hear differences in a big club that you can't on headphones or home speakers. Honestly, I can't hear anything particularly well at 130 decibels, and by

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-30 Thread Davor Ostojic
Kent, i was more aiming to the richer, broader and deeper sound i feel the wav provides on a club soundsystem. i cannot comment on this from a sound engineer perspective, but rather subjective experience. i think a good sound system can reproduce low end frequencies i cannot hear at home, maybe

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-30 Thread robin
I'm all for fighting the good fight for sound quality, though. I kind of wonder about the idea that you can hear differences in a big club that you can't on headphones or home speakers. Honestly, I can't hear anything particularly well at 130 decibels, and by the time your sound reaches the

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-30 Thread kent williams
By all means play uncompressed WAV files. No matter what you play, if you care at all you'll get more out of a system if you spend a little more for proper Digital to Analog conversion. I've been using an RME Hammerfall DSP for several years now. I found some TRS 1/4 to Male XLR cables, so I'm

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-30 Thread Davor Ostojic
I really would like to hear a few tracks, both WAV and MP3 played let's say in Fabric or some other club with a good, finely tuned sound system and then try to hear the difference. i'm arguing that since club music is made for the club, that setting should be considered a benchmarking place for

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-30 Thread Michael Pujos
kent williams a écrit : Actually the MP3 sample is first. OK I got it wrong, using world class 700$ headphones. Not even a surprise as my hearing is not that great after all those years. And if I did get it right, it would have meant zilch. I also don't think a quality sound system would

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-30 Thread Michael Pujos
kent williams a écrit : Actually the MP3 sample is first. OK I got it wrong, using world class 700$ headphones. Not even a surprise as my hearing is not that great after all those years. And if I did get it right, it would have meant zilch. I also don't think a quality sound system would

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-28 Thread kent williams
OK I changed the file name: http://www.cornwarning.com/xfer/m500-starlight-blindfold-test.wav In Firefox, you can navigate to any URL like this, and choose 'save as' and save the file. I believe that's the same in a lot of browsers. On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL

(313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-27 Thread kent williams
Sean Deason was kind enough to send me a CD of the Model 500 'Starlight' mixes, which I'd already bought in MP3 form from Boomkat. After the discussion yesterday about how MP3s are noticeable on a good sound system, this seemed like a golden opportunity to challenge the golden ears amongst you to

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-27 Thread Michael Pujos
kent williams a écrit : Sean Deason was kind enough to send me a CD of the Model 500 'Starlight' mixes, which I'd already bought in MP3 form from Boomkat. After the discussion yesterday about how MP3s are noticeable on a good sound system, this seemed like a golden opportunity to challenge the

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-27 Thread kent williams
OK that was just a test. Try this link: http://www.cornwarning.com/xfer/m500-starlight-blindfold test.wav On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:54 AM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Deason was kind enough to send me a CD of the Model 500 'Starlight' mixes, which I'd already bought in MP3 form

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-27 Thread Michael Pujos
kent williams a écrit : OK that was just a test. Try this link: http://www.cornwarning.com/xfer/m500-starlight-blindfold test.wav I think the WAV is first and the MP3 second

Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.

2008-09-27 Thread Thor Teague
I can't personally tell the difference between 320kbps mp3 and 44.1khz wav, but I do believe I can tell the difference between analogue/vinyl and 44.1khz CD music generally speaking. That probably isn't terribly pertinent to the discussion though. ;) On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Michael

(313) Vive La Difference! (Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.)

2008-09-27 Thread kent williams
OK I did a second thing that might be of some interest. I took the two samples, edited the starting point very carefully to get them exactly in phase, and then subtracted one from the other. In other words, I made a new sample that was just what was different between the two versions. This

Re: (313) Vive La Difference! (Re: (313) The MP3 VS Uncompressed Audio test.)

2008-09-27 Thread Thor Teague
So hypothetically if your calculations are correct that should be exactly what 320kbps artifacts sound like. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:43 PM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I did a second thing that might be of some interest. I took the two samples, edited the starting point very