Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-05 Thread Martin Dust
Simple photo on the cover and all his own tracks. M On 5 Mar 2013, at 00:01, darnistle darnis...@cafe-ebola.com wrote: On 3/4/2013 2:58 PM, Martin wrote: Yeah, there's a lot to learn from history, I didn't know it was Bob Dylan that changed the album format to what we know it as so

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-05 Thread Martin Dust
On 5 Mar 2013, at 00:43, Fred Heutte ph...@sunlightdata.com wrote: But they were playing at a time when many in the same circuit (the Washington DC underground of 1977 onward) really couldn't -- including some, like Half Japanese, who made a fetish of that. Some got better, some didn't.

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-05 Thread Kevin Kennedy
there are still a few of us African-American types working in dance music...most of us are not caring about being 'accepted' by our brothers and sisters who are in the mainstream. However, it's even harder to get people on this very list to have a discussion about 313 or 313 related music unless

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread David Powers
First of all, it's the opposite, punk was (supposedly) influenced by situationism, which really amounts to nothing more than the fact that the manager of the Sex Pistols appropriated situationist techniques--only I personally think that this appropriation was a clear example of recuperation.

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread kent williams
I can't figure out, David, why you aren't working towards being a college professor. Whenever you start discussing something I feel like a caveman. On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 8:25 AM, David Powers cybo...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, it's the opposite, punk was (supposedly) influenced by

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread kent williams
I sure don't want 313 to become the Skr*llex Discussion Network, but it should be pointed out that he was not a corporate creation, and spent a lot of time sleeping on fans' floors and playing underground events. He became a 'corporate sellout' only when he became so big on his own that the

RE: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Daniel Bean
Is it OK to villify him for making really awful music? -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 March 2013 16:00 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) history always favours the winners I sure don't want 313 to become the Skr*llex Discussion Network

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Martin Dust
On 4 Mar 2013, at 14:25, David Powers cybo...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, it's the opposite, punk was (supposedly) influenced by situationism, 'Marcus quotes the musician Paul Westerberg as saying that he became enthralled with the Sex Pistols because “It was obvious that they didn’t

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Martin Dust
On 4 Mar 2013, at 16:03, Daniel Bean daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Is it OK to villify him for making really awful music? Why are people on 313 worried about him at all?

RE: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Daniel Bean
That was my earlier point way back on this thread. To recap: EDM? Who cares? Not everyone shares that sentiment though. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: 04 March 2013 16:15 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) history always favours the winners On 4

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Martin Dust
On 4 Mar 2013, at 16:16, Daniel Bean daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk wrote: That was my earlier point way back on this thread. To recap: EDM? Who cares? Not everyone shares that sentiment though. Aye, you can see why people bite and it can be good fun but I'd be more worried about the lack of good

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread kent williams
Back when 313 list was more active, there were a lot more subscribers actually in the Detroit area, who were wired into what was going on, and would post about it. I imagine there's good music happening in Detroit that we aren't hearing about on this list because that is no longer the case. On

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread David Powers
All the house guys in Detroit are consistently putting out quality music (your subjective enjoyment may vary of course): Delano Smith Norm Tally Mike Huckaby Rick Wade Rick Wilhite Moodymann Marcellus Pittman Theo Parrish Scott Grooves Kyle Hall Omar S Plus, had good (proper techno) albums from

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Joe Marougi
Agreed David, Either peeps aren't digging deep enough or they can't listen to anything 130bpm Artists like the guys you mentioned are consistently releasing heat See ya Saturday, Joe On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:20 AM, David Powers cybo...@gmail.com wrote: All the house guys in Detroit are

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread David Powers
Martin, good point about the myth of them not being able to play. I do think the DIY aspect of punk was very positive, and that DIY spirit continues to inspire many electronic musicians of all sorts. However, it's interesting to note that DIY approach was actually pioneered by jazz musicians

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Martin
I always listen out for the guys below and often go out and see them, as odd as it sounds I like watching what Theo does to a crowd but I've moved more and more away for soulful stuff and cookie cutter Detroit pads. I've got friends in Sheffield making souful house and it does nothing for me at

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Joe Marougi
I'd like to hear those sheffield guys you speak of. The problem with soulful house or whatever anyone wants to call it is (just like other genres) that it's a 90/10 rule (and that's probably too generous) so that 90+% makes it easier to draw such conclusions. One could say the same for all those

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Martin
On 4 Mar 2013, at 19:31, David Powers wrote: Martin, good point about the myth of them not being able to play. I've got early bootlegs of the Pistols, Clash and Stranglers, they could all play pretty good. I do think the DIY aspect of punk was very positive, and that DIY spirit continues

RE: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Daniel Bean
Bonus round - thanks! -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 March 2013 16:46 To: Daniel Bean Subject: Re: (313) history always favours the winners Yes and you can make fun of his haircut and glasses too. On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Daniel

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Philip McGarva
i was joking.

RE: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread logic7
Subject: Re: (313) history always favours the winners Back when 313 list was more active, there were a lot more subscribers actually in the Detroit area, who were wired into what was going on, and would post about it. I imagine there's good music happening in Detroit that we aren't hearing about

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread darnistle
On 3/4/2013 2:58 PM, Martin wrote: Yeah, there's a lot to learn from history, I didn't know it was Bob Dylan that changed the album format to what we know it as so yeah if I'm just learning that... m ??? In what way did he change the album format? -- {}0+|

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread darnistle
Marcellus Pittman's album Pieces is pretty good. At times I feel like the wool is being pulled over my eyes, but I don't mind it too much. I've been meaning to say for a while now that Terrence Dixon's latest release is really fabulous! I've been playing this one quite a bit!! Juan Atkin's

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread darnistle
That was hardly the point, Kent.

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-04 Thread Fred Heutte
it was about getting up and having a go That's it completely and in a nutshell. I grew up in the same neighborhood as Bad Brains and those guys (with a background in hard bop jazz and reggae) could -play-. But they were playing at a time when many in the same circuit (the Washington DC

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-03 Thread kent williams
African Americans comprise somewhere around 17 percent the people in the United States, or about 40 million souls. Considered on their own, this is less than the population of Spain and about twice the population of the Benelux countries. Which means, if an African American artist wants popular

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-03 Thread darnistle
It could also be argued that the desire for black techno artists to [re-]connect with the black community could also be rooted in a desire to see the wellspring from which they drew inspiration continue to serve as a fomenter for further musical creativity. If you've got quality compost, it

(313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-03 Thread Philip McGarva
situationism was punk, see g. marcus 'lipstick traces' :^)

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-03-01 Thread darnistle
On 2/19/2013 3:17 PM, maxphi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.spin.com/articles/skrillex-diplo-boys-noize-a-trak-detroit-techno-potato-kevin-saunderson-dog-blood m50 This is one of my many pet-peeves, but why does everyone who courts commercial success trot out punk as a framework for

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-02-22 Thread Rob Taylor
LOL: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/american-rave-culture-to-be-worst-thing-that-has-ever-happened-2013022260677 On 19 Feb 2013, at 20:17, maxphi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.spin.com/articles/skrillex-diplo-boys-noize-a-trak-detroit-techno-potato-kevin-saunderson-dog-blood

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-02-21 Thread Philip McGarva
My biggest problem with this is the guy's hairstyle.

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-02-21 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
girlsthatlooklikeskrillex.tumblr.com (warning, tumblr has lots of naked people) On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Philip McGarva philipmcga...@gmail.com wrote: My biggest problem with this is the guy's hairstyle. -- matt kane's brain twitter: the_real_mkb / nynexrepublic

(313) history always favours the winners

2013-02-19 Thread maxphifty
http://www.spin.com/articles/skrillex-diplo-boys-noize-a-trak-detroit-techno-potato-kevin-saunderson-dog-blood m50

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-02-19 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
That is the most wonderful URL slug. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM, maxphi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.spin.com/articles/skrillex-diplo-boys-noize-a-trak-detroit-techno-potato-kevin-saunderson-dog-blood m50 -- matt kane's brain twitter: the_real_mkb / nynexrepublic

RE: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-02-19 Thread Daniel Bean
about EDM and what these people are saying. -Original Message- From: mkb.dirty...@gmail.com [mailto:mkb.dirty...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Matt Kane's Brain Sent: 19 February 2013 20:24 To: maxphi...@gmail.com Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) history always favours the winners That is the most

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-02-19 Thread Diego Simak
: mkb.dirty...@gmail.com [mailto:mkb.dirty...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Matt Kane's Brain Sent: 19 February 2013 20:24 To: maxphi...@gmail.com Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) history always favours the winners That is the most wonderful URL slug. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM, maxphi...@gmail.com

Re: (313) history always favours the winners

2013-02-19 Thread kent williams
We oldies get upset when know-nothing bell ends start talking nonsense to impressionable young people. That way lies Fox News. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Daniel Bean daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk wrote: That's pretty much the most interesting thing about it. Whenever I come across stuff like