I meant 'now determined'- long day/night, sorry!
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>From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
>Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:04 AM
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> You're right to poin
You're right to point out the success of Naked.
Yep, Frankie won a Grammy but stopped doing the mixes as he was sick of
dealing with A&R fools who tried to tell him what to do, apparently. Morales
did well to remix Mariah. He got a Grammy too.
But there's heaps of major label payola in US radio too
on 5/5/03 4:42 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was talking pure US house/garage, not trance or offshoots. A lot of people
> lament the lack of a US audience for that. I even read it in a Frankie
> Knuckles interview. It's very consistently stated. Of course I realise
> trance/pr
No, it's not played on Urban/ Hip-Hop radio, that's dominated by the same 15
RnB/ Hip-Hop tracks played in rotation.
American radio is segregated into different genres, you have country, Top 40
which plays a combination of rap, dance, the popular rock tunes, alternative
rock, classic rock, hispanic
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>To: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
>Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 7:00 AM
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> Dance music is already pop culture in America, look at Dirty Vegas for
> example.
> Detroit techno i
Dance music is already pop culture in America, look at Dirty Vegas for
example.
Detroit techno is not.
on 5/5/03 2:53 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same
> way.
Well I have and, at any rate, it's not an original observation - I am
reiterating what many others say. Do you hear house on urban radio?
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>From: spw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
>
h... this is coming form someone who does not live in America and
probably has never been to America.
I hear house and trance being played on hispanic/ latino, pop, and
alternative
radio mix programs all the time and pretty much dominates the club scene
which attacks all types of people.
You c
LOL, when i heard him last summer he might droppped it twice ;)!
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From: Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 5:01 PM
To: a; Cyclone Wehner
Cc: The Music Institute
Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Does Derrick May still drop "French
Does Derrick May still drop "French Kiss" in every set? :)
On 5/5/03 4:55 PM, "a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has Traci Lords been successful? :)
>
>
> On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 20:17 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know, maybe if we make it more overtly sexy that
Has Traci Lords been successful? :)
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 20:17 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner
wrote:
I don't know, maybe if we make it more overtly sexy that will overcome
the
lyric thing. Sex sells everything, right? ;)
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Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever b
I don't know, maybe if we make it more overtly sexy that will overcome the
lyric thing. Sex sells everything, right? ;)
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> Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever be what Rock and Hiphop
> are. The best comparison, really, is Jazz. Largely instrumental music,
popular
> with a rela
> Jaguar had a chance to blow up in the late 90's but DJ Rolando chose to stay
> underground.
This simply isn't true. Jaguar was milked for all it was worth. It got a hell
of a lot of publicity out of the whole Sony thing, had a promo video made, and
Rolando got serious juice in terms of gigs (w
I'd like it to be just enough more popular that I can book people again
without losing money, but not so popular that the frat boys show up and
beat up the gay kids. Does that delimit how popular I'd like techno to
be for everyone?
Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever be what Ro
I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same
way.
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>From: spw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
>Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 5:11 AM
>
> What ever gave people the impression that techno has even the slightest
&
What ever gave people the impression that techno has even the slightest
chance
of becoming the next hip hop?
I must not be in an alternate dimension.
on 5/5/03 10:24 AM, Lester Kenyatta Spence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote:
>
>> odon't
> You hear the stories, Jay-Z goes to France and the kids know his
> lyrics but often don't even speak English.
this is pretty common from what I've seen, anyone remember "la bamba"?
That is the general theory and it stands up - for now.
But I don't know. They said hip-hop would never catch on. Grandmaster Flash
was playing hip-hop style nine years before The Message. They used to fret
that no one got it. Nine years!
Hip-hop has changed the way people listen to music. It has m
Dance music is already mainstream in America, the problem with techno is it
had it's 15 minutes of fame in the early 90's.
This is how artist like Moby established a name for himself with major label
support.
Jaguar had a chance to blow up in the late 90's but DJ Rolando chose to stay
underground.
I hear you on this kent.
Lansing, mi. be it not the biggest techno scene in the state, but we used to
have competing parties on saturday nights here in '99. promoters started having
a hard time getting venues, the police started cracking down, and some kids
graduated. now the scene is pretty small
something
we could debate FOREVER, so
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From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:30 PM
To: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote:
> Personally, I think that keeping things the way th
Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote:
Personally, I think that keeping things the way they are is one way to keep
some quality control on things.
By imposing "quality control" requirements on a nebulous and intangible
group like a whole community, you shift the responsibility away from the
in
"I dunno, maybe because I take it seriously as a musical form?"
Isn't that enough?
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 16:18 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Kent williams
wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2003, a wrote:
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support
among the general populace that it'
f whatever.
It's not a case of wanting MTV and Hype Williams videos, it's more subtle.
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>From: a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
>Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 2:10 AM
>
>> I would
On Mon, 5 May 2003, a wrote:
> > I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support
> > among the general populace that it's taken seriously as a musical form
>
> Why?
>
I dunno, maybe because I take it seriously as a musical form? Because
American Dance Music pretty much rules
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support
among the general populace that it's taken seriously as a musical form
Why?
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 15:45 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Kent williams
wrote:
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support
amo
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among
the general populace that it's a) taken seriously as a musical form b) gains
a large enough audience to support events in places other than major cities.
Not only has techno never really entered the pop music scene in the U
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote:
>
> >I think what Kent is referring to is the mass support that hiphop receives
> >on the radio, on tours, on television, and the like.
>
> I agree these could do wonders...but with the good, comes the bad,
> that's all. Some recognition WOULD
>I think what Kent is referring to is the mass support that hiphop receives
>on the radio, on tours, on television, and the like.
I agree these could do wonders...but with the good, comes the bad, that's all.
Some recognition WOULD be nice. Minus the exploitation.
...but we obviously have WAY
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote:
> odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit.
> Don't want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads
> will have to except that our "underground scene" will eventually be a
> POP-MTV-CEO controlled g
odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit. Don't
want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads will have to
except that our "underground scene" will eventually be a POP-MTV-CEO controlled
genreif it becomes the next hip hop. I mean...I LOVE hi
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