RE: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it ...

Wil, I checked your web site, and no mention is made of having tested or running Skink under Windows XP. I would imagine that you have had some feedback by now regarding the capability of Skink with Win XP Pro, and could you comment on this, please. As a side, someone told me that XP has a bu

RE: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

A gentle reminder: Five Line Skink runs on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X, (as long as you have Java 1.3 or better) is free (as in beer) and does (optionally) display the notes as you type. not (yet) open source, however. wil -Original Message- From: Bert Van Vreckem To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

> "Jeff" == Jeff Bigler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeff> I would find it particularly useful to have an explicit Jeff> linebreak command that would override the "continue all line Jeff> ends (append '\')" option to the abc2ps-like programs. Jeff> Usually, I want the program to

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

> From: Eric Galluzzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 04 Jul 2003 19:53:11 -0400 > > Irwin has said, rightly as it seems to me, that both are useful. > However, they also seem to be incompatible. So, why not pick a symbol > other than "!" for the latter usage [dynamics and other decorations]? > "*" s

Re: [abcusers] staves

Eric Galluzzo donned his asbestos suit and opined: | | Regarding %%staves | -- | | I personally find %%staves very useful, and (despite comments to the | contrary) very intuitive. How about adding some official variant of | this to the standard? It seems much more concise, and mor

[abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

Folks, After donning my asbestos suit, let me propose this alternative. Other people have hinted at this and perhaps even said it outright; however, this might be a concise restatement of the point and possible solution. Regarding !...! --- 1. abc2win introduced the "!" sign which,

Re: [abcusers] Re: abc and microtonality

Phil taylor wrote >Buddha Buck wrote: > >>start at the beginning of the expanded text. Phil mentioned a ~n3 >>macro, that would perform a roll the way a piper would. But I can >>easily see there being more than one alternative method of playing that >>someone might want to notate as ~n3, in the

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

John Chambers writes: >Bryan Creer writes: >| John Chambers wrote - >| >| >BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the >| >tunes that seemed to come from abc2win. >| > >| >Maybe I should revive that code and do another count ... >| >| Could you count the tunes that

[abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #920

> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 01:09:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jeffrey Hurd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [abcusers] please don't unsubscribe > > Please excuse me, but i sort of deleted the address > of > the person i was corresponding with concerning this > matter. > > Since everything we've doesn't work,

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

John Chambers wrote: > BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the > tunes that seemed to come from abc2win (because of the ! chars, or > because they had a "% ... abc2win" comment). It came to between 9 and > 10% of the tunes. It probably is the numeric leader (since

Re: [abcusers] Re: abc and microtonality

I wrote: >now you can write three different macros to specify how the three different >trills represented in the abc by T, U and V are to be played. Turn the macros >off for display purposes and they will all be represented as a trill, turn them >off for playing and each will play in the specifie

Re: [abcusers] Re: abc and microtonality

Buddha Buck wrote: >> The confusion in abc comes from the fact that there are a couple >>of types of macros (or "macro-like entities") floating around: First, >>Phil Taylor's Barfly macros seem to fit the Hacker's definition nicely. >>(Even his transposable macros fit, since the definition a

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

>Bryan Creer writes: >| and from ABC Music Notation: History written by a certain John Chambers - >... >| There is no mention that I can find of when the !...! notation was introduced >| or when standard 1.7.6 was released as a draft but it looks as if abc2win has >| a prior claim on "!". I don't

Re: RE : [abcusers] abc2midi and other MIDI-supporting

hehe, I didn't say that, only quoted it... On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, [iso-8859-1] Forgeot Eric wrote: > >It isn't being actively supported any more, though. It has now a new maintainer, Seymour Shlien. > > We discussed its bug with broken-rhythms constructs > > what, two years ago? __

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

Bernard Hill wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bert Van Vreckem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Bernard Hill wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes * Programming is fun. Not when you do it for a living. Good grief! How can you possibly do something for a li

[abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #920

I know this was mentioned earlier, but please recall that some of us play from ABC as a score, and not as an interstitial format to be used to generate staff music, tablature, or MIDI files. In fact, I find myself often going from staff music (which I can read, albeit slowly) to ABC (which I ca

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

Bryan Creer writes: | John Chambers wrote - | | >BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the | >tunes that seemed to come from abc2win. | > | >Maybe I should revive that code and do another count ... | | Could you count the tunes that use "!!" ? Since the code

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

>This is the wrong way to look at it. abc2win is barely being >maintained, but tunes created with its aid are the largest single >corpus on the web. It's the tunes you need to care about, not >the software. ok, I guess that *almost* all of those tunes are from folk tradition. Do you honestly thi

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

Bernard Hill writes: | In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes | >while I'm one man in my back bedroom, the odd glitch might slip through. | | Yes. Of course I am in the same position. | | I've tried using beta testers but they are rarely fierce enough. | | So I fix bugs free and w

Re: RE : [abcusers] abc2midi and other MIDI-supporting software

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, [iso-8859-1] Forgeot Eric wrote: > >It isn't being actively supported any more, though. It has now a new maintainer, Seymour Shlien. > > We discussed its bug with broken-rhythms constructs > > what, two years ago? I quote from the changelog: << 2003 April 12 abc2midi assumes

Re: [abcusers] Re: abc and microtonality

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Buddha Buck wrote: Thank you Buddha; I think it's a nice summary of the three different symbol manipulation facilities we're dealing with. > 1) "long macros" -- Phil Taylor's m: macros. These > are prefixed in the ABC music with a special > character, like ~, or @ or somethin

Re: [abcusers] codepages

Bernard Hill writes: | In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Webber | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes | > | >From: "Bernard Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >> >Or even English: The First Noël | >> | >> That would be French. In English it's "The First Nowell". | > | >Well "Chloë" then. | > | >I have Spike J

RE : [abcusers] abc2midi and other MIDI-supporting software

>It isn't being actively supported any more, though. We discussed >its bug with broken-rhythms constructs what, two years ago? getting >the nearest I've ever seen us get to total consensus, and even though >fixing it was a matter of altering one numeric constant in the source, >it hasn't been don

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bert Van Vreckem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Bernard Hill wrote: >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.M. Kuchling >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >>>* Programming is fun. >> Not when you do it for a living. > >Good grief! How can you possibly do something for a living

Re: [abcusers] Modularity and customisability

Hi Calum, I was thinking along these same lines. I like the idea of keeping the ABC 'level 1' standard somewhat small, but allowing (OK, I'll say it) scripting languages to manipuate them to produce more complex output. I think to produce the kind of output our Lilypond friends are used to, you

Re: [abcusers] Thoughts on where ABC goes...

I've thought about proposing an ABC interpreter language. The idea is that you would have the ability to display, play and print ABC files, and also have some run-time control over what is done, e.g. loop, text processing, etc. Such a language would be compatible with any ABC standard, and pos

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

iabc already runs and compiles under Windows and Linux. It uses wxWindows (www.wxwindows.org) as a GUI. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

John Chambers wrote - >BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the >tunes that seemed to come from abc2win. > >Maybe I should revive that code and do another count ... Could you count the tunes that use "!!" ? Bryan Creer To subscribe/unsubscribe, point you

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

Bert Van Vreckem wrote - >Well Bryan, I'm afraid I can't even use it. I'm one of them Linux people... When I've made my fortune from the Windows version I'll see about rewriting for other platforms. (Or employ somebody else to do it.) There's not much point in me providing the source code beca

Re: [abcusers] abc2win

Irwin Oppenheim wrote - >As far as I could check, the source code of abc2win has >not been released. So how could we do that? Well, you could try being nice to Jim Vint and inviting him to join in the standards process. Bryan Creer To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tu

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

Bernard Hill wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes * Programming is fun. Not when you do it for a living. Good grief! How can you possibly do something for a living that you don't like to do? -- Bert Van Vreckem

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bert Van Vreckem wrote - However, a 'live' conversion to sheet music while I'm typing ABC would be nice. But very difficult to implement, I imagine. That's exactly what Abacus does. Version 1 is available from http://www.abacusmusic.co.uk/ but hang around, maybe just fo

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes > >Really, I was just covering my own backside. I implied that because I would >like some payment for my efforts I would be more thorough than if I was giving >the software away but I have limited resources and, with the best will in the

Re: [abcusers] codepages

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Webber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >From: "Bernard Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >Or even English: The First Noël >> >> That would be French. In English it's "The First Nowell". > >Well "Chloë" then. > >I have Spike Jones's magnificent recording somewhere

Re: [abcusers] Re: abc and microtonality

John Walsh wrote: > First, in my on-line Websters, a macro is defined as: > >macro n, pl macros [short for macroinstruction] (1959): a single computer >instruction that stands for a sequence of operations. One serious problem with this definition is that all subroutine and function mechani

[abcusers] abc2win

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, John Chambers wrote: > BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the > tunes that seemed to come from abc2win (because of the ! chars, or > because they had a "% ... abc2win" comment). It came to between 9 and > 10% of the tunes. Good to have some a

Re: [abcusers] Abc levels

The trick would be to make the levels backward compatible, e.g. so level 2 is a superset of level 1. Also, what you are describing sounds more like 'packages' than levels. So maybe one of the levels understands packages, where another understands words and voices, etc. To subscribe/unsubscribe,

Re: [abcusers] codepages

From: "Bernard Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Or even English: The First Noël > > That would be French. In English it's "The First Nowell". Well "Chloë" then. I have Spike Jones's magnificent recording somewhere and I'm sure the title is spelled like that :-) Dave David Webber Author of MOZART

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

Bernard Hill wrote - >I hope you are not implying that software sold by shareware methods is >not as good as that sold off-the-shelf? It's probably better in some ways. For an analogy, if you buy your vegetables from your neighbour who's grown them in his back garden they are probably better t

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

Bryan Creer writes: | and from ABC Music Notation: History written by a certain John Chambers - ... | There is no mention that I can find of when the !...! notation was introduced | or when standard 1.7.6 was released as a draft but it looks as if abc2win has | a prior claim on "!". I don't see ho

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

Jeff Bigler writes: | | Another angle is the business model that a former employer of mine | (Cygnus Solutions) used. Cygnus sold commercial-grade support and | development for free software. ... | Customers could also hire Cygnus to add specific | features or optimizations that th

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 06:26:16AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > There is no mention that I can find of when the !...! notation was introduced > or when standard 1.7.6 was released as a draft but it looks as if abc2win has > a prior claim on "!". I don't see how Jim Vint can be accused of

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

Bernard Hill wrote: ... Why are there no professional musicians who perform without being paid for it? Hey, I'm a professional musician, and I *do* perform without being paid for it quite a lot, and so do all the collegues I know! Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com To subscribe/unsubscrib

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

A.M. Kuchling wrote: * Members of the appropriate sex like musicians. Might be somewhat off-topic, but this reminds me of a masterclass I once attended - by the great classical guitarist Manuel Barrueco. After we had bombared the maestro with questions about fingering, polishing nails, and the

Re: [abcusers] Re: My point of view on the abc standard

I. Oppenheim wrote: ... > > I do not agree with this approach. > A standard should document advisable behaviour, not all > the possible errors that people make when writing ABC. I'd say both yes and no to that. The new standard should certainly do far more than just document common ABC use.

[abcusers] no blame culture

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The fact is that both "!" as a line break and "!...!" > are in use so let's develop a no blame culture and > work out how to get round it. More to the point, can > we try and work out a system to make sure we all know > what others are doing so this s

Re: [abcusers] The abc standard and ~ / turns / rolls

On Friday 04 July 2003 10:07 am, Jack Campin wrote: > A full solution would need to allow new graphical elements to be > introduced (in a platform-independent way, say as GIFs; in the worst > case they might have to be taken from a scan of a manuscript) and > allow their meaning to be redefinable,

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes > I'm not saying >there will be no errors but we are talking shareware not big software house. I hope you are not implying that software sold by shareware methods is not as good as that sold off-the-shelf? Bernard Hill Braeburn Software A

Re: [abcusers] Re: abc and microtonality

John Walsh wrote: Ah yes, the M word. I think I added my own bit to the confusion, tho not, I hope, to the flames. What is clear is that there are a couple of definitions of "macro" floating around. They overlap but don't coincide; and there are a couple of different types of "macro" i

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

I know it is fasionable to slag off abc2win on this list (and, obviously, I'm not too keen on it or I wouldn't be writing Abacus) but can we get a little historical perspective? >From Chris Walshaw's history of ABC on his abc home page - >The real explosion in interest came when Jim Vint released

[abcusers] inaudible spaces

>| I think it'd be difficult to avoid notation such as the x for the >| invisible rests... I don't think it would be used in folk tune for >| ex. so only tunes with "heavy needs" would need this, that mean >| they would include also V: and other unsupported features in old >| app. One place you co

[abcusers] abc2midi and other MIDI-supporting software

>> four moribund systems which are still widely used (ABC2WIN, abcps, >> abcmidi, and abc2mtex). > abcmidi ? moribund ? It handles well all of my abc. I like AbcMus, > but I'm "forced" to use abcmidi because it handles better the > %%midi commands (for different octaves in different voices for ex.)

[abcusers] The abc standard and ~ / turns / rolls

>|> Is ~ a roll or a turn? >| According to ABC 1.7.6, it's a roll: One more disaster with that "standard". The 1.6 standard said: : Alternatively, the tilde symbol ~ represents the general gracing : of a note which, in the context of traditional music, can mean : different things for differe

Re: [abcusers] The abc standard

>> Over the past year or so, this group has become >> dominated by discussion of abcm2ps; > Probably because it is the best and least "limited" ABC implementation > around: it implements an extensive set of features, is actively > developed, runs on all computer platforms that we use and gives > ex

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

> As far as I know, only abc2win has so far used ! as a line terminator, > and the !...! extensions already exist in the 1.7.6 "draft standard", Which is not much more than a renamed absm2ps manual. > which most people on this list seem to agree should be the starting > point for the new 2.0.0 s

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

Phil Taylor wrote - > That's the problem with live editing. The parser has to be > absolutely bullet-proof, as the user can hit it with absolutely > any combination of symbols. There is really no way you can > test it enough either. That's one reason why I kept BarFly > free for several years w

Re: [abcusers] codepages

John Chambers wrote: > Those are a slightly-abbreviated version of the TeX > notation, supported by abc2mtex and abc2ps. What other abc > tools implement these? AbcMus supports a bunch of them (if you select the option for doing so). I could post a list later. > (One thing I just notic

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

Someone wrote: > >> According to the BNF definition > >> http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm > >> The bang is NOT a line terminator Jack Campin wrote: > Which was a booboo on the part of whoever let that through. > Supporting the existing corpus of tunes is *alone* more > important than allowing

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Jeff Bigler wrote: > What would folks think of using & for this purpose? The ampersand is already in use as a voice splitting symbol. I hope this will be documented in the upcomming standard. > I.e., !mp! is not in the 1.7.6 draft standard Good that you mentioned that. Must

[abcusers] Re: Abacus Run-Time Error 70

Don wrote - >Someone was speaking of errors, and I just found that I can consistently >cause a Run-time error by following these steps: > >1. Open an existing file. >2. Click the 'Full ABC' button, which opens the Full ABC window and listing. >3. Close the Full ABC window with the Windows 'X' but

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 08:33:01PM +0100, Bernard Hill wrote: > Why are there no professional musicians who perform without being paid > for it? Surely you are not trying to say that no professional musician would ever perform without payment! I know some who do. Charity events, playing for fun or

[abcusers] please don't unsubscribe

Please excuse me, but i sort of deleted the address of the person i was corresponding with concerning this matter. Since everything we've doesn't work, perhaps i should remain on the list. You see over the last couple of years, there have been some strange events, in my life. All of it concernin

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I. Oppenheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >> >When a bang appears at the very END of such an input >> >line, it forces a line break in the music OUTPUT. >> >> The end itself forces a line break, no? > >The newline only marks the end of the INPUT line; where >the line

Re: [abcusers] A bit of history

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >+> having a line terminator is a great help in resolving the conflict >+> between making ABC source-readable and having it generate readable >+> staff notation. >[my suggestion] >+> Bee Te2d |ege dBG| Bee Te2d |BAG E3:|\ >+>

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Bigler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:42:01 +0100 >> From: Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> According to the BNF definition >> >> http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm >> >> The bang is NOT a line terminator >> >> Which was a bo

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Bernard Hill writes: >| >| ... none of that tells me why anyone creates software in the first >| place. I do not start projects which are not going to bring money in. I >| see clearly that as an end-user having the source cod

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > >Possibly we could just add a warning about this problem to >the standard (perhaps in an "Implementation Suggestions" >section), and suggest this approach for dealing with it. SOunds good to me. Bernard Hill Braebur

Re: [abcusers] bloody ! again

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >Which was a booboo on the part of whoever let that through. >Supporting the existing corpus of tunes is *alone* more >important than allowing an inessential idiosyncratic extension >in one application. THAT has to be a good