Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-07 Thread Bert Van Vreckem
Jack Campin wrote: You need to separate the two layers of "ABC intended to represent the music itself" and "ABC intended to represent staff notation for the music" somehow. Changing a note or a chord is in the first layer; using a "y" to make the two halves of a bar more visually separate than the

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-06 Thread Jack Campin
>> Usually, I want the program to just decide where to put the line >> breaks, with a few rare exceptions. > The solution I'm coming up with on the next release of Music Publisher > is to provide an editing screen where changes can be made to abc file > before use. And including a "reflow" command

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-06 Thread Jack Campin
[abcm2ps's !...! construct] >> So, why not pick a symbol other than "!" for the latter usage? >> "*" seems ideal, and quite logical, too: in emails, IRC, etc., >> it is commonly used to boldface or emote something. > My first reaction is that" ! " is better, since in !ppp! it is > used as a delimi

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-06 Thread Jack Campin
>| I play a lot of folk dance music which consist of phrases of 8 bars. >| When linebreaks are every 4 or 8 bars, this makes the score more >| readable. > I think that dance musicians usually really like having the phrases > aligned this way, but most other musicians don't see the benefit > (an

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-06 Thread I. Oppenheim
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Eric Galluzzo wrote: > In practice, I have found that I usually don't include that many > dynamics on one line, so most Y: lines (at least in my music) would > probably end up looking something like this: > Y: | | * p | | * <( | That's exactly the reaso

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-06 Thread I. Oppenheim
> Saving two chars of typing in a definition doesn't seem to > be a good payoff for eliminating most of the uses of a new > feature. I agree on that. Irwin To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-06 Thread Jeff Bigler
> Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 09:07:33 +0200 > From: Bert Van Vreckem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Jeff Bigler wrote: > > I would find it particularly useful to have an explicit linebreak > > command that would override the "continue all line ends (append '\')" > > option to the abc2ps-like programs. Usual

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-06 Thread Phil Taylor
John Chambers wrote: >Eric Galluzzo writes: >| >| > >So: how about that we agree that "U:T = trill" type notation is >| > >acceptable, and put into the standard? We could simply state that it is >| > >a symbol binding, or redefinition, or whatever we want to call it. It >| > >would apply to play

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-06 Thread John Chambers
Eric Galluzzo writes: | | > >So: how about that we agree that "U:T = trill" type notation is | > >acceptable, and put into the standard? We could simply state that it is | > >a symbol binding, or redefinition, or whatever we want to call it. It | > >would apply to player programs as well as tadpo

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-06 Thread Jeff Bigler
> I've always thought of the %% construct as being for new and > experimental stuff, which is always going to break other programs, so > if the staves command becomes standard I would prefer that it got it's > own field identifier. I had always thought %% was for commands specific to a particular

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-06 Thread Eric Galluzzo
On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 10:37, Phil Taylor wrote: > Eric Galluzzo wrote: > > >All programs, to my knowledge, that implement the !...! construct > >(abcm2ps, jcabc2ps, and abc2midi?) are under active development, to my > >knowledge. Therefore, all of them could easily be altered to accept "*" > >as

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-05 Thread Henrik Norbeck
Eric Galluzzo wrote: > > However, they also seem to be incompatible. So, why not pick a symbol > > other than "!" for the latter usage [dynamics and other decorations]? > > "*" seems ideal, and quite logical, too: I think it seems to be the only sensible solution to the problem. * may be a bit to

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-05 Thread John Walsh
Eric Galuzzo writes: >2. abc2midi (not abcm2ps, by the way) originally introduced !...! for >dynamics, !ppp! to !fff!. abcm2ps adopted it. It too is useful for >symbols, dynamics, etc. Very few tunes have this construct in it. > >Irwin has said, rightly as it seems to me, that both are useful.

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-05 Thread Bernard Hill
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >Anyway, I think that dance musicians usually really like having the >phrases aligned this way, but most other musicians don't see the >benefit (and some vehemently dislike it). I transcribe quite a few tunes for Sco

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-05 Thread John Chambers
Bert Van Vreckem writes: | Jeff Bigler wrote: | > I would find it particularly useful to have an explicit linebreak | > command that would override the "continue all line ends (append '\')" | > option to the abc2ps-like programs. Usually, I want the program to just | > decide where to put the line

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-05 Thread Phil Taylor
Eric Galluzzo wrote: >All programs, to my knowledge, that implement the !...! construct >(abcm2ps, jcabc2ps, and abc2midi?) are under active development, to my >knowledge. Therefore, all of them could easily be altered to accept "*" >as the character rather than "!" (perhaps accepting the "!" as

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-05 Thread John Chambers
Laura Conrad writes: | > "Jeff" == Jeff Bigler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Jeff> I would find it particularly useful to have an explicit | Jeff> linebreak command that would override the "continue all line | Jeff> ends (append '\')" option to the abc2ps-like programs. | Jeff>

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-05 Thread Bert Van Vreckem
Jeff Bigler wrote: I would find it particularly useful to have an explicit linebreak command that would override the "continue all line ends (append '\')" option to the abc2ps-like programs. Usually, I want the program to just decide where to put the line breaks, with a few rare exceptions. Well,

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-05 Thread Bernard Hill
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Bigler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >I would find it particularly useful to have an explicit linebreak >command that would override the "continue all line ends (append '\')" >option to the abc2ps-like programs. Usually, I want the program to just >decide where

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-04 Thread Laura Conrad
> "Jeff" == Jeff Bigler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeff> I would find it particularly useful to have an explicit Jeff> linebreak command that would override the "continue all line Jeff> ends (append '\')" option to the abc2ps-like programs. Jeff> Usually, I want the program to

Re: [abcusers] Solution for ! notation?

2003-07-04 Thread Jeff Bigler
> From: Eric Galluzzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 04 Jul 2003 19:53:11 -0400 > > Irwin has said, rightly as it seems to me, that both are useful. > However, they also seem to be incompatible. So, why not pick a symbol > other than "!" for the latter usage [dynamics and other decorations]? > "*" s