Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-13 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I need to be a bit clearer in that I'm not really sure what version this customer is running. The question about 15.x /16.x came from a couple of oldish threads which indicated that something broke early in 15, and that it still wasn't fixed in 16. But I found that unlikely to still be the case

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Forrest, As usual there are probably multiple issues going on. We have seen an increase in the number of DFS hits recently, and we also have a lot of Packetflux timing equipment on the network. I have noticed that DFS hits tend to be worse in ‘unusual’ hot weather conditions. And we have c

Re: [AFMUG] tomorrow

2020-07-13 Thread Lewis Bergman
Are you sure this was meant for the AF group? On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 2:50 PM wrote: > Excellent job on the intersection guys. Y’all just keep getting better at > what you do. > > This week Centracom said they are coming to splice and perhaps install > equipment in the C.O. > BTW, C.O. stands f

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
Many many years ago (in the FSK days) I remember a sync problem that was affecting VoIP customers, and we only tracked it down by graphing the InSyncCount and OutSyncCount SNMP parameters on the SMs. This would have been with a CTM-1 for sync, unfortunately I don’t remember what was the cause a

[AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G antenna to kill you

2020-07-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-metal-strip-medical-masks-5/fac t-check-metal-strip-in-medical-masks-is-not-a-5g-antenna-idUSKBN24A2O1 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-13 Thread dave
DFS can occur with reflections as well as self interference. Weather conditions can adverserly affect this. All things RF for radio config must be set for correct operation IE TX pwer and Antenna Gains all must be entered to reflect correct operating levels before a Reflection or interference

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-13 Thread Eric Muehleisen
DFS has been a major pain since 15.x. Setting the configuration parameters correctly does not make any difference in DFS false positives. We have a site that once DFS triggers, it will continue to trigger over and over again until you power cycle it. Even then, that is only a temporary fix until an

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-13 Thread Adam Moffett
If a software bug accidentally made DFS way less sensitive I don't think anyone would complain. FEATURE REQUEST: A plausibly deniable DFS bug. On 7/13/2020 10:37 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: DFS has been a major pain since 15.x. Setting the configuration parameters correctly does not make any d

Re: [AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G antenna to kill you

2020-07-13 Thread Mathew Howard
Lies! it's obviously only safe to wear masks without metal strips... On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:40 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-metal-strip-medical-masks-5/fact-check-metal-strip-in-medical-masks-is-not-a-5g-antenna-idUSKBN24A2O1 > > > -- > AF mailing list

Re: [AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G antenna to kill you

2020-07-13 Thread Adam Moffett
I wonder how useful these "debunking" articles are.  The true conspiracy devotee will believe whatever they want, and anybody else is just rolling their eyes. Although it is a disturbing trend in politics, science, etc that a lot of people are more willing to believe some friggin guy on Youtub

Re: [AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G antenna to kill you

2020-07-13 Thread can...@believewireless.net
That absolutely makes sense! It's not Covid killing people, it's 5G! No wonder they want a requirement for everyone to wear a mask! On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:49 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > I wonder how useful these "debunking" articles are. The true conspiracy > devotee will believe whatever they

Re: [AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G antenna to kill you

2020-07-13 Thread Matt Corcoran
I think my customers would be more concerned with: Does the metal strip attract lightning? From: AF on behalf of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:42 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G a

Re: [AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G antenna to kill you

2020-07-13 Thread Brian Webster
I read that you need to wear glitter makeup to create an RF faraday cage for your face to stop the 5G and metal strip thing from working Somebody please make a video stating that and get it to go viral, would love to see the sales spike in glitter makeup and all the people wearing it.. Clai

Re: [AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G antenna to kill you

2020-07-13 Thread Bill Prince
Subject matter people have no charisma. bp On 7/13/2020 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I wonder how useful these "debunking" articles are.  The true conspiracy devotee will believe whatever they want, and anybody else is jus

[AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Josh Luthman
On Saturday we had a power outage. Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, but after an hour we head up there with a generator. Plug it in and we're good to go. Outage was caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped. Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse. Power is back. He gets in the

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread chuck
What kind of power line? Like three phase on a cross arm or single phase with the hot at the top and neutral down below etc? Nesting activity? Seem way late in the year for that. What kind of bird? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 10:29 AM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Birds g

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Robert
I believe they made a movie about this in the 50's.  Subject was covered extensively.   I think the solution was wait it out and it will go away. On 7/13/20 9:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: On Saturday we had a power outage.  Beautiful day. Towers on batteries, but after an hour we head up there wi

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Josh Luthman
Just standard power like at home. Not three phase. It's an FM radio station. I would assume the hot is at top and neutral below, but it's been a while since I've seen it myself. Goes from HV on the road to the tower's (power/utility) pole with a transformer/fuse. Two robins on Saturday. Starl

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Adam Moffett
Aren't birds sensitive to magnetism because they navigate with the earth's magnetic field?  Or is that a myth?  Maybe something about this fuse holder causes a navigational issue for the birdies. On 7/13/2020 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On Saturday we had a power outage.  Beautiful day. Towe

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Carl Peterson
5Gs from your tower are messing up the birds chakras. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:46 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Aren't birds sensitive to magnetism because they navigate with the earth's > magnetic field? Or is that a myth? Maybe something about this fuse holder > causes a navigational issue for

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Bill Prince
There is no neutral on power poles. Just hots. One, two, or three usually. bp On 7/13/2020 9:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Just standard power like at home.  Not three phase. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Bill Prince
Call Tippi Hedren! bp On 7/13/2020 9:38 AM, Robert wrote: I believe they made a movie about this in the 50's.  Subject was covered extensively.   I think the solution was wait it out and it will go away. On 7/13/20

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Adam Moffett
There are a lot of things I don't know, especially about power distribution.  I do know there's a neutral coming off the center tap on the secondary side of an XFormer.  So there's neutral on the power pole at least some of the time.  On 7/13/2020 12:48 PM, Bill Prince wrote: There is no ne

Re: [AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G antenna to kill you

2020-07-13 Thread Cameron Crum
Brian, and strippers...don't forget about strippers. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:18 AM Brian Webster wrote: > I read that you need to wear glitter makeup to create an RF faraday cage > for your face to stop the 5G and metal strip thing from working…….. > > > > Somebody please make a video stating

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Josh Luthman
I thought the neutral was the unshielded wire between the poles. That's how my house is hooked up... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:49 PM Bill Prince wrote: > There is no neutral on power poles. Just ho

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Bill Prince
The transmission lines are just the hot legs. Neutral and ground get created on the secondary side of any transformers. So the concept of neutral and ground is "local". bp On 7/13/2020 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I thought t

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread Josh Luthman
Well that would be between the building and pole in the "front yard". Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:27 PM Bill Prince wrote: > The transmission lines are just the hot legs. Neutral and ground get > creat

[AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age

2020-07-13 Thread chuck
This is what I do now every time we fire someone. They always apply for benefits it seems. There is always a hearing. We win the hearings but it is a PITA... After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnessed it. It has been years since I lost my cool like that. They were all

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

2020-07-13 Thread dave
We call that one the Earth to Ground wire. Typically it turns into a neutral wire when run into a distribution panel when its isolated. At tower sites it typically will tie back into a Ground rod at the meter called neutral ground Bond. EVERYthing at the site will typically bond back to this gr

Re: [AFMUG] no, metal strip in mask is not 5G antenna to kill you

2020-07-13 Thread Brian Webster
Strippers and that darn glitter makeup, gets all over everything and doesn’t come off……..lol Thank you, Brian Webster From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] no, metal

Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age

2020-07-13 Thread Lewis Bergman
People...I hate them. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:59 PM wrote: > This is what I do now every time we fire someone. > > They always apply for benefits it seems. There is always a hearing. > We win the hearings but it is a PITA... > > After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnesse

Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age

2020-07-13 Thread James Howard
Come on now Chuck. This is very clearly all your fault for not getting a bunch of extra keys. He shouldn’t have had to worry about returning a key after he used that truck. They should be disposable. How can you expect anyone to have a good work ethic or attitude if you don’t provide them wi

Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age

2020-07-13 Thread chuck
The moral of the story is to be slow to hire and quick to fire. Life is too short to put with a PITA employee. And in the end you may be doing them a favor by firing them. From: James Howard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:41 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT :

Re: [AFMUG] American Girl Karen doll

2020-07-13 Thread Steve Jones
we have achieved a level of legislative dumb that I dont think even southpark could ever have imagined On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 11:05 AM Bill Prince wrote: > Is it Karen or is it CAREN? > > > https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/07/san-francisco-supervisor-introducing-caren-act-to-stop-racist-9-1-1

Re: [AFMUG] Two SiteMonitor unresponsive

2020-07-13 Thread Steve Jones
i use an old dumb 5 port switch between pc and sitemonitor to get to them for initial programming On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 2:50 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > I did disable the other interfaces. Had 10 half link to my laptop. Got > link light on a dumb switch. I would still think it'd be 169.254.1.2

[AFMUG] Contact for Calix

2020-07-13 Thread Paul McCall
Anybody have a reliable inside contact for Calix (pre-sales tech). We really want to look at their product, have left several web inquiries , emailed a couple folks we found on the web over the past couple months and Crickets. Are they still doing business? Paul Paul McCall, President Fl

Re: [AFMUG] Contact for Calix

2020-07-13 Thread Darin Steffl
I emailed you over a guy to talk to at Calix if you're not hearing anything back. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:31 PM Paul McCall wrote: > Anybody have a reliable inside contact for Calix (pre-sales tech). We > really want to look at their product, have left several web inquiries , > emailed a coup

Re: [AFMUG] Contact for Calix

2020-07-13 Thread chuck
Cory, are you here? From: Paul McCall Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 3:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Contact for Calix Anybody have a reliable inside contact for Calix (pre-sales tech). We really want to look at their product, have left several web inquiries , email

Re: [AFMUG] OT..damn doctor...no pirate patches in stock..

2020-07-13 Thread Bill Prince
Maybe you can stop at the 5 and dime to snab a Halloween pirate costume. Those include an eye patch. bp On 7/13/2020 3:20 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Headed home -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afm

Re: [AFMUG] OT..damn doctor...no pirate patches in stock..

2020-07-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
Great idea On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 4:29 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Maybe you can stop at the 5 and dime to snab a Halloween pirate costume. > Those include an eye patch. > > > bp > > > > On 7/13/2020 3:20 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > Headed home > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af

Re: [AFMUG] OT..damn doctor...no pirate patches in stock..

2020-07-13 Thread chuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRe0FDvFRtM From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT..damn doctor...no pirate patches in stock.. Headed home

Re: [AFMUG] Contact for Calix

2020-07-13 Thread Cory Polman
Hey Chuck…I’m on it! Paul I forwarded your email on to Brendon he’ll be reaching out. Thanks! Cory Cory L Polman Vice President Sales – Regional West Calix email cory.pol...@calix.com [signature_2038125145] From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wb

Re: [AFMUG] OT..damn doctor...no pirate patches in stock..

2020-07-13 Thread James Howard
It's Odin! From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 5:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] OT..damn doctor...no pirate patches in stock.. Headed home Total Control Panel Login

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-13 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
So I replied to part of your comment in my last email... I had another phone call with the customer and Cambium together. In deference to Cambium and the customer, as we work through these issues I won't go into a lot of details, but this definitely seems to me like there's a good chance that thi

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-13 Thread Chuck McCown
Cambium owes you a consulting retainer. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > wrote: > >  > So I replied to part of your comment in my last email... > > I had another phone call with the customer and Cambium together. In > deference to Cambiu

Re: [AFMUG] OT new splicing trailer

2020-07-13 Thread Jon Langeler
Does anyone know? Do splice trailers get grounded for reasons of generator and/or other reasons while splicing? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >  > It is double walled, with mineral blankets. > But nothing suspended. Just tr

Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

2020-07-13 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
You bring up a few fair, and known, points. I'll respond to at least a few of them: In relation to the water ingress, we've seen enough of these to know it's at least an occasional issue. Especially in hotter climates, one thing we've seen is the gasket cracking in the enclosure. I'm also not c