Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum Agreed, but unfortunately guvment doesn't work that way On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: Seems like in times where we're overturning old, silly decisions, there should be more usage of 101

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Mike Hammett
quot;AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 1:47:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum Agreed, but unfortunately guvment doesn't work that way On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Seems like in times w

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Tim Hardy
t;https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Tim Hardy" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Us

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Steve Jones
mall business. >> >> >> >> So the question is who can utilize this spectrum? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy wrote: >> >> >> >> FCC has total authority over these bands. >> >> >> >>

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
k other companies had there fingers in > it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: "Matt Hoppes" > >> To: "A

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Mike Hammett
- Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:55:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum That’s what Part 101 licensees back in the day requested but NAB and the broadcasters raised h

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Tim Hardy
w.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:48:12

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Mike Hammett
all just be part 101? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:14:55 AM Subject: Re: [A

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown
> > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Tim Hardy" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:14:55 AM

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Mike Hammett
ave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:14:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum Actually, they are eligible but only in the same areas that other Part 101 licensees would be eligible. They are not eligible under Part 74. On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Tim Hardy &

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Adam Moffett
had there fingers in it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. -Original Message- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Date: 04/23/20 10:14 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum So di

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Tim Hardy
://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> From: "Caleb Knauer" > <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>> >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:46:41 PM >> S

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Tim Hardy
.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Caleb Knauer" <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:46:41 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unl

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-26 Thread Tim Hardy
es had there fingers in it >> WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Matt Hoppes" >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group&quo

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-25 Thread Mike Hammett
door WiFi doesn’t make them go away, and the > service carried on those existing links is often critical traffic. > > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-25 Thread Mike Hammett
: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 6:18:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum At some point, the WDC (Whole D*** Country) is going to have to figure out how to get our government's IT infrastructure out of the stone age. I would not be surpris

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Bill Prince
Group" Date: 04/23/20 10:14 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies dropped that made it happen? On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote: The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small,

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Caleb Knauer
y existing links. Just >> > saying your spectrum would be nice for indoor WiFi doesn’t make them go >> > away, and the service carried on those existing links is often critical >> > traffic. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: AF On Behalf

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
en critical traffic. > > > > > > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > > > > > Honestly I

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Caleb Knauer
the > service carried on those existing links is often critical traffic. > > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > H

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Caleb Knauer
think other companies had there fingers in it > WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: "Matt Hoppes" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Tim Hardy
pr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser > <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote: >> yes you are right. >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >> Office: 815-570-3

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
ot;AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies dropped that made it happen? On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen < ericlniel...@g

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Sean Heskett
gt;>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Ken Hohhof
fic. From: AF On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum Honestly I think that 6ghz licensed is becoming less practical. As more and more fiber is run to the tower the 6ghz band wo

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Users Group" > Date: 04/23/20 10:14 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > So did WISPA make this happen? Or was it the millions these companies > dropped that made it happen? > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote: > > The primary influence

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Tim Withrow via AF
there fingers in it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.   -Original Message- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Date: 04/23/20 10:14 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum So did WISPA make this happen?  Or

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Tim Reichhart
I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.   -Original Message- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Date: 04/23/20 10:14 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Matt Hoppes
t; er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>> More like 4.9 to 7. >

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Eric Nielsen
Central Tower >>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>>> More like 4.9 to 7. >>&

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread TJ Trout
23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>>> More like 4.9 to 7. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Tim Hardy
;> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum >>> >>> >>> >>&g

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
t; > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> More like 4.9 to 7. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Erich Kaiser
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum > > > > Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean > heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum > proposed will likely be unuseabl

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Ken Hohhof
More like 4.9 to 7. From: AF On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, so really if the AFC system works

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Erich Kaiser
Two of the UNII bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor. I feel like from a reliability standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general. What

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Sean Heskett
from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list: "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have geolocation. (We are waiting to

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yep...lots of buzz from this On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are > hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF > wrote: > >> I learned that the

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Sean Heskett
WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order. they are hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db. On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF wrote: > I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 > Gigahertz today. > > any idea what Eirp they

[AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

2020-04-23 Thread Tim Withrow via AF
I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 Gigahertz today. any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com