0, 2020 11:02 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Yes, once you get your first one configured its not bad, I had an
issue as well with the first link.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er..
, need management port access.
Not a big deal unless you only find out after the radio is up on the tower.
From: AF On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 11:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Yes, once you
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and E-band. Rather than cherry picking a couple of the bands.
From: AF On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
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From: AF on behalf of Adam Moffett
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Date: Friday, January 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM
To: "af@af.afmug.com"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] U
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*Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:23:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Well, the efficiency isn't quite that bad. at 1024QAM (
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2020 7:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
>
>
>
> PTP820 - why buy from Cambium instead of direct from Ceragon?
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Erich Kaiser
> wrote:
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> 56mhz throughput da
Stocking distributors and local support?
From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 7:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
PTP820 - why buy from Cambium instead of direct from Ceragon?
On Jan 9, 2020, at 8
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>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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>> Midwest Internet Exchange
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>> The Brothers WISP
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>> From: "Mathew Howard"
>> To: "AnimalFarm Micr
the license and upgrade to a true 1.3+ Gbps full
>> duplex radio from SIAE, Aviat, Cambium, etc. Bad news, if you’re pushing
>> the distance such that you can’t run 1024QAM or better most of the time,
>> you may not meet the FCC minimum spectral efficiency requirement.
>>
>>
ave Users Group"
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:23:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Well, the efficiency isn't quite that bad. at 1024QAM (they actually do support
2048QAM now too) they can do somewhere around 350-375Mbps per polarity using a
56mhz channel
the
> FCC minimum spectral efficiency requirement.
>
>
>
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf
> Of Mathew Howard
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:28 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject
rement.
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> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
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>
>
> Yeah, but the AF11 actually has to use an 80mhz emission
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Yeah, but the AF11 actually has to use an 80mhz emission designator, even
though it's really only using 56mhz... so theoretically, i
Yeah, but the AF11 actually has to use an 80mhz emission designator, even
though it's really only using 56mhz... so theoretically, if you upgrade the
link to radios that can handle 80mhz, you shouldn't have any problems
licensing it.
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:11 AM Daniel White wrote:
> You lice
You license an emission designatior... not a channel per se.
When you license 56MHz of spectrum you use the 80MHz channel plan but
there isn't 24MHz of unused spectrum sitting there... it gets used up
pretty quickly for other paths, etc.
So moral of the story... don't do that.
photograph
I think they can do 112mhz, but yeah, that's not legal in the US...
What Steve is talking about is the dual carrier feature, which lets you run
two 80mhz channels on a single transceiver.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:04 PM Darin Steffl
wrote:
> Steve,
>
> What do you mean by they can do more than
I think he is talking about ACCP, the Cambium PTP820Cs can do this as well.
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:04 PM Darin Steffl
wrote:
> Steve,
>
> What do you mean by they can do more than an 80mhz channel? As far
: *AF on behalf of "
> joseph.schr...@siaemic.com"
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Date: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:59 AM
> *To: *"af@af.afmug.com"
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
>
>
>
> Hi Jason -
>
>
&
Users Group
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:59 AM
To: "af@af.afmug.com"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Hi Jason -
You're correct...we have two, actually three, flavors of all-outdoor radios for
11 GHz:
ALFOPlus - this is a single carrier 1024QAM radio u
GHz except one 6 GHz. Not a huge number of
them, but we’re small. We also have some older Trango and Exalt links.
From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Do they
2020 5:25 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Do they not have an advanced replacement? This seems to be pretty
common
with other vendors these days.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:23 PM Mark Radabaugh
wrote:
On Jan 8, 2020, at
Reach out to aviat, Ken would be better equipped to detail this than me.
Its worth talking to them, light pressure sales.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:04 PM Darin Steffl
wrote:
> Steve,
>
> What do you mean by they can do more than an 80mhz channel? As far as I
> know, that's the largest channel si
Steve,
What do you mean by they can do more than an 80mhz channel? As far as I
know, that's the largest channel size allowed in FCC land for licensed
backhauls.
Educate me if I'm wrong. It sounds interesting
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 10:31 PM Steve Jones wrote:
> aviat can do even more than 80 in f
aviat can do even more than 80 in fcc if you can get a spare channel. youd
want to talk to Ken Ruppel Price is crazy good.
We are going to be doing 3 of them here shortly. a buddy of mine got aviat
certified and had been installing a bunch on contract, says the gear is
easy to deal with and the in
I haven’t had any die so far. I have 6 PTP820S links
>>> and 2 PTP820C links in service. All 11 GHz except one 6 GHz. Not a huge
>>> number of them, but we’re small. We also have some older Trango and Exalt
>>> links.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* A
t;
>> Once they work, I haven’t had any die so far. I have 6 PTP820S links and
>> 2 PTP820C links in service. All 11 GHz except one 6 GHz. Not a huge
>> number of them, but we’re small. We also have some older Trango and Exalt
>> links.
>>
>>
>>
>&g
Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:25 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
>
>
>
> Do they not have an advanced replacement? This seems to be pretty common
> with other vendors these days.
>
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n service. All 11 GHz except one 6 GHz. Not a huge
>> number of them, but we’re small. We also have some older Trango and Exalt
>> links.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:25 PM
>> *To:* Anima
rvice. All 11 GHz except one 6 GHz. Not a huge
> number of them, but we’re small. We also have some older Trango and Exalt
> links.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:25 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subje
sday, January 8, 2020 at 11:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Anybody have more than a couple of these thing in place for while that can
comment on their Pros / Cons ?
Needing to buy 8 licensed links and looking for reliable, but cost effective
: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Do they not have an advanced replacement? This seems to be pretty
common with other vendors these days.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:23 PM Mark Radabaugh <mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:
On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof &
links.
From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Do they not have an advanced replacement? This seems to be pretty common with
other vendors these days.
On Wed, Jan 8
Do they not have an advanced replacement? This seems to be pretty common
with other vendors these days.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:23 PM Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> A couple other comments about Cambium licensed radios. Make sure you
> account
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> A couple other comments about Cambium licensed radios. Make sure you account
> for the price of all the keys you may need. Ask your Cambium rep if you can
> get a discount, especially if you intend to buy multiple links. They may
> ha
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links
Well, if we're talking about the high power model of the PTP820, I don't think
there are a lot of other radios that can hit that kind of power levels, and if
there are, they probably aren't any cheaper.
For the lower end mode
Yep - Aviat has this capability.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:11 PM Mathew Howard wrote:
> Well, if we're talking about the high power model of the PTP820, I don't
> think there are a lot of other radios that can hit that kind of power
> levels, and if there are, they probably aren't any cheaper.
>
Well, if we're talking about the high power model of the PTP820, I don't
think there are a lot of other radios that can hit that kind of power
levels, and if there are, they probably aren't any cheaper.
For the lower end models, most of the brands that I priced were within a
few thousand of each ot
You can get *much* cheaper links that will do 1.2Gbps. Holler at Aviat if
you are shopping.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:28 PM Adam Moffett wrote:
> You're closer to $25k once you're all in with that one, including license
> keys and the whole BOM. It'll do 1.2gbps though.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 1/8/2
Ouch, what is the selling point of these with companies like Aviat offering
much better deals?
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, Adam Moffett wrote:
> You're closer to $25k once you're all in with that one, including license
> keys and the whole BOM. It'll do 1.2gbps though.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 1/8
You're closer to $25k once you're all in with that one, including
license keys and the whole BOM. It'll do 1.2gbps though.
-Adam
On 1/8/2020 12:33 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yes, PTP820 can do 80mhz, but they're not cheap... especially the high
power version. I don't remember exactly what I wa
Yes, PTP820 can do 80mhz, but they're not cheap... especially the high
power version. I don't remember exactly what I was quoted off hand, but
you're probably going to be looking at $15-20k, for a complete link with
XPIC and so forth.
You could probably do Bridgewave Navigator or Aviat quite a bit
can PTP820 do 80mhz channel? maybe its just better to swap out with
Cambium, how much is a cambium PTP820 link costing these days? High Power
version?
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:03 PM Mathew Howard wrote:
> There's also the problem that (as far as I know) there's no practical way
> to run two AF1
There's also the problem that (as far as I know) there's no practical way
to run two AF11 radios on a single dish... which means that it would end up
costing more, and being overall less practical than just buying radios that
support 80mhz channels.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:55 AM Seth Mattinen w
On 1/8/20 8:36 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
if you have an 80mhz channel and are running radios in 56mhz channel
width can u just put a 2nd link up and split them up to the two 40mhz?
No, that's not allowed. You need to license two 40MHz channels.
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The FCC needs to know about pretty much anything beyond replacing a radio
with the exact same model. I suspect that you couldn't actually run two
AF11's on adjacent channels anyway...
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:37 AM Kurt Fankhauser
wrote:
> if you have an 80mhz channel and are running radios in
It’s getting better.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
>
>
> There seems to be a lot of people complaining about getting stock of spare
> parts, and it has seemed to be on going for the la
if you have an 80mhz channel and are running radios in 56mhz channel width
can u just put a 2nd link up and split them up to the two 40mhz? Does FCC
need to know about this or just do it?
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:38 AM Joe Novak wrote:
> There seems to be a lot of people complaining about getti
There seems to be a lot of people complaining about getting stock of spare
parts, and it has seemed to be on going for the last 6 months or so. Not
something I would want to worry about.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:26 AM Nate Burke wrote:
> We have several, about 2 dozen in place for about 2 years,
Well, I would say that "Greatest spectral efficiency in its class" is
perfectly true, because the only other radio that I consider to be "in its
class" is the Mimosa B11, which is, in fact, much less spectrally
efficient.
But yeah, that claim is on the same level as saying that they're capable of
1
We have five links running, and the oldest one have been running since
shortly after the radios were released.
They work well, they're the cheapest thing out there, and they've been
reliable and consistent for us. The biggest downsides are limited capacity,
and they're not as spectrally efficient
I do not doubt that AF11 is reliable and cost effective. I get grumbly
when I read their data sheets and see the claim "Greatest spectral
efficiency in its class". That's only possible if they feel they're in
a class by themselves. If I compare throughput per chain, per mhz, at
the same mod
We have several, about 2 dozen in place for about 2 years, Have not had
any issues with them.
I like the fact that they are cheap enough to just keep spares on a
shelf. But so far we have not had any problems. Most of our Paths
were running AF5 radios that we upgraded to AF11, so we didn't
We've had them for a few years... very reliable.. work well... only do
56Mhz of 80MHz channel width. Aviat will do the full 80MHz for only a
small amount more (I believe).
You can also run 2 x 11x links and divide the 80MHz up to 40Mhz+ 40MHz
and get about 1.2Gbps vs the 700Mbps you'll get w
Anybody have more than a couple of these thing in place for while that can
comment on their Pros / Cons ?
Needing to buy 8 licensed links and looking for reliable, but cost effective
Paul
Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
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