Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Well, that's the best thing since sliced bread if I am looking at that thing properly. Rob Genovesi wrote: +1 Banjo. And these are handy if you are working on 66-blocks a lot: https://www.amazon.com/Siemon-TESTAR-2-Block-Adapter-2-Wire/dp/B00F3W7LES/ On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

+1 Banjo. And these are handy if you are working on 66-blocks a lot: https://www.amazon.com/Siemon-TESTAR-2-Block-Adapter-2-Wire/dp/B00F3W7LES/ On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Banjo >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Bought it. Chuck wins! Chuck McCown wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606 -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

Do you think the telco or Cableco or local fiber company wouldn’t hesitate to do it to you? It just makes good business sense to give yourself as much of an edge as possible. Ive been on the receiving end of ATT coming into a property and demanding access to the wiring. When they can sell

[AFMUG] interview with Brocade CEO

Good read. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/business/lloyd-carney-think-youre-irreplaceable-take-the-bucket-test.html

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Banjo https://www.amazon.com/Paladin-Tools-1903-Modular-Adapter/dp/B6HYVQ -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts Do you carry an extra RJ11 cord then to plug in the butt set? How do you

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

I think the answer to that is a big YES. Your wire, you control it. Not so for old telco wire. When Ma Bell was de-regulated, the existing building wiring became property of the building owner. From: Paul McCall Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

Make sure to tag everything with your name. From: Nate Burke Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building If you can get the contract to be the 'riser management' company, would that allow you to set high rates and

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

Nothing at all. The regulated telco has a “duty to serve” and is frequently the “provider of last resort”. So if someone wants their service normally they can not be prevented from getting it. The landowner can block access in some states. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Sunday, August 28,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Yeah, or if money is no object, Fluke does sell a cable that has both. LEAD-ABNPRJ11 I'm not saying I have one of those, though. More like one of these: https://www.siemon.com/e-catalog/ECAT_GI_page.aspx?GI_ID=tt_modapt -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Sunday, August 28,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

One of those donuts with an rj11 and labeled tabs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > Do you carry an extra RJ11 cord then to plug in the butt set? How do you

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Do you carry an extra RJ11 cord then to plug in the butt set? How do you connect the butt set to the ATA when the buttset has clips? On 8/28/2016 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Sure, but why carry both a butt set and a test phone? And test phones tend to be awkward and get beat up. Butt sets are

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Sure, but why carry both a butt set and a test phone? And test phones tend to be awkward and get beat up. Butt sets are meant to be dropped, tossed in a van, etc. After a bug with Cisco ATA firmware several years back where they weren't passing CID to the phone, I want to be able to test

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

I find it shameful that this thread is advocating one of the very things that WISPs and small/regional ISPs have been fighting against for years when it comes to MDUs. On Aug 28, 2016 3:47 PM, "Justin Wilson" wrote: > https://backchannel.com/the-new-payola-deals-landlords- >

Re: [AFMUG] Service in Coatsville IN

Eric Rogers at PDS in Mooresville. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric > On Aug 25, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Roland Houin

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

https://backchannel.com/the-new-payola-deals-landlords-cut-with-internet-providers-cf60200aa9e9#.l6a38myj8 "Sure, a landlord can’t enter into an exclusive agreement granting just one ISP the right to provide Internet access service to an MDU, but a landlord can refuse to sign agreements with

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

If your contract with them doesn’t say its yours then it becomes part of the structure, thus theirs. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman Internet Exchange - Peering -

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

Let me back this train up a little bit. My primary concern question is…. If I run Fiber throughout a building (or copper), can building owner and I have a contract where only I can use the very wire/fiber that I installed? I would the answer at that basic level would be a yes, but am not

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

If you can get the contract to be the 'riser management' company, would that allow you to set high rates and discourage anyone else from coming in? We've run into that in a few class A buildings. 'Oh, you need a cat 5 run from floor 3 to floor 5, that will be $5000, and we are the only

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I have only needed to use a buttset to test outgoing calls on POTS lines. When would you use it for incoming calls and need CID display? If you're already to the point of taking incoming calls, wouldn't you just plug a test handset into an RJ11? I've been very happy with this set

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Wow.. Sarcastic and cheap.. Lol On Aug 28, 2016 11:06 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > We have some cheap Chinese 4 dollar sets that are sufficient. The only > things on my good 70 dollar but set that these don't have is dial memory > and the clips with a bunch of

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

I don't believe exclusive contracts are permitted by the FCC. I believe you're limited to exclusive marketing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

IF anyone has any paperwork they can share for accomplishing exclusive access in a building, i'd love to see it. thanks ;) ps - what prevents a tenant from ordering service from a telco themselves not realizing such an agreement is in place? A telco can cry foul and play the fact that

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

We have some cheap Chinese 4 dollar sets that are sufficient. The only things on my good 70 dollar but set that these don't have is dial memory and the clips with a bunch of pins that penetrate the insulation so you don't have to cut it. On Aug 28, 2016 8:57 AM, "Ken Hohhof"

Re: [AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

I have typically ran across the terms “Franchise rights” and “Riser rights” when it comes to buildings. If you have franchise rights you are the only one with rights to provide your product to that building. Riser rights just gives you access to to raceways, risers, etc. for running your

[AFMUG] Ownership of wire / fiber in a building

I know that has been discussed several times in the past, but I recall a few variables so I will re-ask the question. If our company goes into a building and wires (either pre-construction of post construction), will a contract legally cover us so that nobody else can come around and claim

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

I think Sterling spends less than I do. -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information I'm including all the costs of the entire company, not just the cost of deployment of each house.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606 -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts I don't know if they still make them, but

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

That presumes you have contractors on tap with enough people for the size of the job. A dearth of contractors would slow it down. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information My time

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good one. More importantly are the clips. You want the expensive clips that will go on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins. Speakerphone is good. Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool pouch is

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

My time frame for a dense big city type suburb is about 1 year start to finish. I could push that to 6 months if I wanted. I have don't it many times over. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

Come to Utah, I will show you. Construction is happening every week day. -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information I'm including all the costs of the entire company, not just the

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information

You can charge for it if you are regulated. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Google Fiber information Have you seen the battery backup requirements for VoIP lately? On Aug 27, 2016 6:39 PM, "Chuck McCown"