Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.

2017-02-16 Thread George Skorup
If the 1PPS LED is blinking on the daisy-chained SyncInjector, then I'd say it's fine with a straight-through cat5. The ePMP1000 GPS radios will take 802.3af or Canopy -4/5 +7/8 at either 24 or 48 volts. Running them at 48-56 as others have pointed out several times in the past is better with

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.

2017-02-16 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Thanks, Patch between the two packetflux is 1 foot. ePMP is running 6.2.1.X ( don’t want to go to 3.2.x until they work out one more bug. ) Using the SyncBox Junior for the syncpipe. Cable runs to the APs are 140 feet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
It's pretty obvious when you look at the makeup of the "protests" very small percentage were natives, to the point the natives all but asked them to leave. When the veterans got there they realized this was a corporate protest. Native Americans would not have left the environmental disaster at

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Shorter the better on the cable Update all the components to the current firmware, and verify the syncpipe is the right revision. The default pinout on the pins inside works with 48v ps On Feb 16, 2017 11:35 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz" wrote: Hopefully and easy question here.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Robert
I have no "blame" I just have "wake up and smell the roses" for all those that think it's some sort of tribal or environmental who ha... One group plays the people side, the other plays the business side.. Both sides mess stuff up and have big vested interests in keeping us sucking up oil...

[AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.

2017-02-16 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Hopefully and easy question here. We have always used the onboard GPS for ePMP access points up until this point. We recently installed 4 new ePMP APs and the tower blocks our north facing AP from getting GPS on the onboard GPS. All other track GPS just fine. We also have 450 APs on the tower

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Rump owns stock in Texas based pipeline outfit Not that seems to matter Plus his new pick to replace Flynn turned him down....now to bed to dream. Me la pelan On Feb 16, 2017 8:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > Do you blame buffet? Hes got a lot

Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

2017-02-16 Thread Travis Johnson
Girls don't care what they drive... men would never be caught dead in a Hyundai. LOL Travis On 2/16/2017 6:46 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: Don't know dude. My daughter loves hers.it was the best buy by quite a margin. On Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 6:28 PM Jason McKemie

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Do you blame buffet? Hes got a lot of skin in the game. My buddy at bnsf will tell you, there is company wide concern here. On Feb 16, 2017 9:17 PM, "Robert" wrote: > Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money.. Same for > the other side of the deal...

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Robert
Correcting myself, in that it requires no other authority.. D'oh... just a verification of identity.. On 2/16/17 7:21 PM, Robert wrote: Interesting comment by Chuck Todd tonight that he actually enjoys this sort of confrontation.. It's his element and it goes right by, over, through him..

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
This is definitely a bubble, but it's the biggest bubble we've ever had. If trump falls, it will burst and it will burst hard, 1929 style. If he just Peters out it will deflate. If he succeeds, anybody who puts all their eggs in that basket is nuts, we will hit a wall... And in 16 years we might

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Robert
Interesting comment by Chuck Todd tonight that he actually enjoys this sort of confrontation.. It's his element and it goes right by, over, through him.. He grew up with people giving him sass and while he gets mad at it, it's his "game"... I am guessing we will see in the next six

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Robert
Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money.. Same for the other side of the deal... On 2/16/17 6:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Lake was artificial. If the indians really care about mother nature, the lake will have to go away too... -Original Message- From: Robert

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Not just lake... But I am tired Good night On Feb 16, 2017 7:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Lake was artificial. If the indians really care about mother nature, the > lake will have to go away too... > > -Original Message- From: Robert > Sent: Thursday, February

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Either he will have to quit, die, have a stoke or figure out how to take the criticism. No way around it. From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin... I'm not so confident that we will survive him.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Lake was artificial. If the indians really care about mother nature, the lake will have to go away too... -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin... Follow the money...

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Bill Prince
I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4 years if he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's heads exploding when they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call." I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake oil salesman that

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Robert
Follow the money... Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting from moving the oil... Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch brothers... Got it? On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: Really? Pipeline? So you think carying all that oil via train is safer and has less a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Jason McKemie
I absolutely hate Trump, but people don't seem to be paying attention to what could be just as bad or worse, which is the crazy left wing swing back that we are going to see in 4 or 8 years. It would be fun to see Trump voters heads exploding in that swing back, except for the fact that we are

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix WS-12-250-DC Fan up, or fan down?

2017-02-16 Thread TJ Trout
I don't think it really matters, it's forced air ... put it at any angle? On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > Just put one of these switches on a DIN rail, and I noticed something > curious. All the photos I've seen show the switch with the DC power >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
They rerouted away from town and close to reservation and water source... Same shit different day... Gold in Sioux country... Deadwood... That's the argument On Feb 16, 2017 6:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > Really? Pipeline? So you think carying all that oil via

Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

2017-02-16 Thread Lewis Bergman
Don't know dude. My daughter loves hers.it was the best buy by quite a margin. On Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 6:28 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Hyundai consumer vehicles are pretty lame. > > On Wednesday, February 15, 2017, Jaime Solorza >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Lewis Bergman
Really? Pipeline? So you think carying all that oil via train is safer and has less a footprint? I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement. On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's

[AFMUG] Netonix WS-12-250-DC Fan up, or fan down?

2017-02-16 Thread Bill Prince
Just put one of these switches on a DIN rail, and I noticed something curious. All the photos I've seen show the switch with the DC power terminals at the top. This makes some sense when you see that the vents in the side of the case are them at the top, which makes a natural path for hot

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/16/17 14:58, Chuck McCown wrote: I still don’t like him, probably never will. But I do enjoy seeing him giving the media crap. I like that he is unpredictable. Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Really? Fuck, why am I not surprised... https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517 On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread David Milholen
Why is it I see eye to eye on this with you Chuck? I definitely agree with you about a shooting war.. Stir the pot enough but not too much. On 2/16/2017 4:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: We will survive him. I really like what the stock market is doing. UAW pushing buy American again.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as emphasizing Europe. Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Mathew Howard
It depends somewhat on how you look at it... he did win three states that almost nobody expected him to win (MI, WI and PA), and winning any one of those would have been enough to win the election. The expectation was that if he did win, it would only be by a few electoral votes, so the fact that

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Well it was Olin and not Monsanto. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left Maybe you didn’t have the defective Monsanto 2,4,5-T contaminated with TCDD. From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maybe you didn’t have the defective Monsanto 2,4,5-T contaminated with TCDD. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left I will always

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
We will survive him. I really like what the stock market is doing. UAW pushing buy American again. Liberal heads exploding. All good stuff. I still don’t like him, probably never will. But I do enjoy seeing him giving the media crap. I like that he is unpredictable. Bull in china shop,

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Adam Moffett
For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job and that the press really is being unfair to him. I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch. He definitely was combative with the press. I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
This is what GOP leaders are doing right now.. On Feb 16, 2017 3:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine > > https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. >

Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

2017-02-16 Thread SmarterBroadband
:) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:36 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector Welcome back comrade On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "SmarterBroadband"

Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Welcome back comrade On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "SmarterBroadband" wrote: > Has anyone done a real world comparison of the 450m limited vs 450i > integrated sector? > > > > I would like to know if the 450m in sector mode works as well or better > than the new integrated sector

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071 On

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
I will always wonder about agent orange. When I was a kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was producing. We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once. The barrels

[AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

2017-02-16 Thread SmarterBroadband
Has anyone done a real world comparison of the 450m limited vs 450i integrated sector? I would like to know if the 450m in sector mode works as well or better than the new integrated sector version of the 450i. I have a couple of locations with old 450 I was thinking of upgrading to 450i,

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Bill Prince
Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental. bp On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Strange. I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Only on days that end in y Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Are we singing an Offspring song? > Haven't heard Offspring in a long time. > > -- Original

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread Mathew Howard
Да товорищ, это очень хорошо тест. On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:12 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Успешный тест товарищ > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >> Are we singing an Offspring song? >> Haven't heard Offspring

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Успешный тест товарищ On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Are we singing an Offspring song? > Haven't heard Offspring in a long time. > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "af@afmug.com"

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread Adam Moffett
Are we singing an Offspring song? Haven't heard Offspring in a long time. -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Luthman" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 2/16/2017 5:08:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test cuatro cinco cinco seis Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread Josh Luthman
cuatro cinco cinco seis Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Uno Dos Tres > > On Feb 16, 2017 2:58 PM, "SmarterBroadband" wrote: > >>

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread SmarterBroadband
What a nightmare getting to be able to send to the list since changing to a new computer!!! After many attempts I had to create a new email address and cancel the old subscription. Nice to be back. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Strange. I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Carl Peterson
The comments on that are f*cking hysterical. Do people really believe that crap or are they just trolling. Me wonders if 44 was briefed on 45s Russia debacle and decided to f*uck him over On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I was walking through part of

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Uno Dos Tres On Feb 16, 2017 2:58 PM, "SmarterBroadband" wrote: > Test >

[AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread SmarterBroadband
Test

Re: [AFMUG] OT: recipe promise

2017-02-16 Thread Cameron Crum
Call it an early morning snack... On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: > Looked like bacon in the toast pic. If it wasn't bacon, then it wasn't > breakfast. > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> No

Re: [AFMUG] OT: recipe promise

2017-02-16 Thread Cameron Crum
Looked like bacon in the toast pic. If it wasn't bacon, then it wasn't breakfast. On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > No Bacon... That was cheese > > On Feb 16, 2017 2:48 PM, "Cameron Crum" wrote: > >> Hopefully you cooked the

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Laughing my ass off https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112 On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" wrote: > You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a > while, I was in the dark. Then,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: recipe promise

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
No Bacon... That was cheese On Feb 16, 2017 2:48 PM, "Cameron Crum" wrote: > Hopefully you cooked the bacon then sauteed the veggies in the bacon > grease, then poured in the egg. > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: recipe promise

2017-02-16 Thread Cameron Crum
Hopefully you cooked the bacon then sauteed the veggies in the bacon grease, then poured in the egg. On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Voila... Omelet > > On Feb 16, 2017 8:52 AM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote: > >> Quick

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
I was walking through part of the Gulfstream factory and everyone had to turn off their monitors. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left I'd forgotten

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Bill Prince
I'd forgotten that about the days I was involved with the spooks. Even though I had TS security clearance, I was considered "unclean" in certain areas. They had little sandwich boards with a rotating beacon to tell the "clean people" that there was an unclean person among them. bp

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Gino Villarini
The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless From: Af > on behalf of Ken Hohhof > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Don't criticize, legalize.. Don't discriminate, assimilate... Ese Holmes... If the shoe fits, don't take it off On Feb 16, 2017 12:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > Дайте мне Trump стейка товарища Хайме. Это выглядит вкусно и начинка. > > > On Thu, Feb

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Ugh. Marketing departments. Telus (the ILEC in BC and AB) calls its entire triple play over VDSL2 solution "Optik" with a K. Which usually tops out at 25 Mbps downstream due to reach limits between neighborhood node VDSL2 DSLAMs, old copper wiring and houses.

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Дайте мне Trump стейка товарища Хайме. Это выглядит вкусно и начинка. On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Comic today about racist comments like “stop being coy”: > > http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2017/02/16 > > > > > > *From:* Af

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Stefan Englhardt
Everyone here calls his connection fibre as long as a part of the line is fibre.  Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Ken Hohhof Datum: 16.02.17 20:27 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless "fiber" now, because that's what the big guys are doing? Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it's like a very long cat, but without the cat. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

2017-02-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
Comic today about racist comments like “stop being coy”: http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2017/02/16 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] At job site

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Pura raza... Token white guy Gary cooking On Feb 16, 2017 11:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Nope comrade > > On Feb 16, 2017 11:19 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > >> Looks like guvmnt work to me... >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Nope comrade On Feb 16, 2017 11:19 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Looks like guvmnt work to me... > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:15 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] At job site > > > On Feb 16, 2017 11:14 AM, "Jaime Solorza"

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Gino Villarini
Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave From: Af > on behalf of Jaime Solorza > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" >

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Looks like guvmnt work to me... From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:15 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] At job site On Feb 16, 2017 11:14 AM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: Yes... We work hard and eat well

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
It should not have continuity between neutral and ground. Take a new one that is not connected to any wires. An ohm meter will not show any connection. When installed there will be a circuit but it will flow through the neutral and ground wires clear back to the service entrance. That is

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Ive never busted apart an outlet, but its got continuity between the neutral and ground, is the bus between the two slightly resistive like higher cost ospf path to keep the current on the neutral? On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Except in three phase,

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Except in three phase, in three phase the neutral may or may not have much current on it. Sometimes it may not even exist. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault The neutral and ground have totally different

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
The neutral and ground have totally different jobs to do. The neutral is the return path and has the exact same (should be exact same) current at the hot. It works. The ground should not have any current. It does not work. It is a storm drain. If there is a fault it conducts the fault

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I did not know this about sub panels I see alot of times where the electricians run the ground and neutral into the same hole Im guessing in this case calling in that electrician to investigate wouldnt do alot of good but since theyre bonded at the service panel if they do that is it OK? On Thu,

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
In farming country, some electricians and "electricians" have a cavalier attitude toward ground vs neutral. I often see 3-wire outlets in farmhouses where the ground is connected to the neutral. I also paid an electrician to wire a freestanding cabinet at a tower site to the breaker box at

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
When I have seen this, there has been a wiring problem, usually a bad ground. Sometimes also bad stuff like tingling when you touch the electrical boxes. Telling the site owner to get an electrician in to fix the wiring has always resolved the problem. That would be my first approach, it is

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/16/17 08:38, Chuck McCown wrote: But they run back to two different bars. The neutral bar and the ground bar. Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar goes to the building entrance ground rod. Any bad connection coupled with decent amount of current causes voltage

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
But they run back to two different bars. The neutral bar and the ground bar. Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar goes to the building entrance ground rod. Any bad connection coupled with decent amount of current causes voltage differences. From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I never understood how there can be a difference between the two in most of our scenarios we are on a dedicated breaker. the ground and neutral terminate to the same place usually on 12/2wg or 10/2wg and the only thing on the circuit is our APC. the insulated neutral and the copper ground are the

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Nate Burke
I think I read the error occurs if there is >5v difference between neutral and ground. The Strange thing is that it's happening at the same time every day. On 2/16/2017 10:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: good luck. APC has a little guide for troubleshooting them, but never much detail.

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Jeremy
We had a site that always said wiring fault on an APC back when I worked for another company. That site had reversed polarity on the outlet in the breaker. Had another APC that failed and always reported that. We swapped that one and it fixed it. On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:13 AM, That One Guy

[AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Heard they are shipping... True?

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
good luck. APC has a little guide for troubleshooting them, but never much detail. we have a couple sites that always have it, never had any impact. I suspect its overloaded ground. Maybe the smart meter shunts voltage to ground for some safety verification or something like that, or more likely

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Just a guess: Site wiring fault would be the unit not seeing the correct potential from hot to ground. If the ground to that receptacle has a poor connection to the common point ground or the common point ground has a poor connection to the building entrance and some device dumps some

[AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Nate Burke
I have a UPS that I recently installed pulling a 'Site Wiring Fault' for 20 seconds a few times a day, at the exact same time daily. There are no other local electrical device at the location that I can find turning on or off at the same time, or that would have this kind of regularity. There

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Dan Petermann
Yes, that is an offense. The person who dropped the classified material did not take appropriate action to prevent you from seeing it. Depending upon the classification level, that guy could be in serious trouble. I was one of two people who had a TS-SBI clearance at the facility I worked in.

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I dont know the laws on viewing classified information. Is it criminal to do so, like say im chillin at the CIA and some guy drops a folder labelled classified, if I pick it up and look at it is that criminal? On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I would have

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
I would have asked him for a chain of custody receipt. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left Yeah there are all kind of rules about local police and even emergency

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown
I have had to turn on and demonstrate the function of electronic gear at airports many times. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left a.. Under the Fourth Amendment, searches

Re: [AFMUG] OT..... Amateur Hour... Trump's Bullshit Executive Orders Become Even More Bullshit on White House…

2017-02-16 Thread Adam Moffett
It'll just be an alternative evening. -- Original Message -- From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/16/2017 1:01:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Amateur Hour... Trump's Bullshit Executive Orders Become Even More Bullshit on White House…